THE HINSDALE HOUSE | Real Haunted House That Tries to Kill | Paranormal Podcast (Ep 344)

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I am not afraid to kill you. I'm not afraid to add your name to the list of people who haunt this house. This is the Hinsdale House. One of the most, if not the most, haunted houses in New York. Yeah,

very spooky.

Hello.

All phantoms.

It's the Lorax, specifically Ashby Sam

and

and Sally Fingers.

Hello. would you like to come inside?

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Hey, what's up everyone?

This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

Two girls, one ghost.

Dangerous.

And Ghost Tube just said dangerous.

Yeah, we're dangerous.

We are playing a dangerous game today. It's called talking about something really, really terrifying in costume. I can't even focus because I just so regret not doing exactly what I should have done in the moment, which was when you said, "Would you like to come inside?" I missed my opportunity to say, "Your mom."

Oh, man. That's why we can't be Ash.

Disappointed in you.

I know. We decided to dress up as pop culture

icons.

Icons.

Ashb and Salad Fingers. Ashb has the Lorax.

It's a double. It's a double pop culture reference. And I'm finally understanding when you posted on your social media weeks ago and said, "Does anyone have any guesses for my costume?" or like why you needed to buy teeth? I understand. Yeah. Let's give a little closeup. Ooh, creepy. Creepy. So, hi everyone. This is

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a really spooky episode where we invited

haunted object & setting intentions

a haunted object into the room with us.

Mhm. And I chose this one because when we did the episode where we introduced all the haunted objects that we're including in this month of October, I felt like this had a very grandmotherly protective angel no demons vibe.

So either it will protect us or it will be like you sinful [ __ ] right? Like why the [ __ ] did you bring me out for this? Yeah. So we're going to set intentions real quick. We will be discussing a very demonic, very scary place that I've been putting off for years. And we do not invite anything in. We're purely discussing for educational purposes because we are smart, intelligent women with one brain cell shared between the two of us. You only need one. And we do not invite any negative energy into our lives. We are

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surrounded by love, by light, by positivity, and by Ashb.

Praise Ashby.

Praise Ashby. Should you entity in the little cat figurine that our listener so kindly gifted us, would like to communicate with us? You may do so by communicating through Ghost Tube. You can speak words through it. And if you

if things get real heated, maybe we'll bring out some other equipment. We'll see. We'll see.

We'll see. We'll see what happens. Yeah. What takes over you

and what takes over us.

Well, today I am going to be covering and bear with me as I try to read through this mask.

Luckily, this is one of those topics that just feels like I'll be able to reiterate it so easily because

it's in your mind stained forever.

I also love your one human pinky finger coming through your

[ __ ]

Oh, sorry.

Hide it.

It's so dainty and beautiful

compared to my long solid fingers.

We want to see the pinky. Just the tip.

Oh,

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just to see how it feels.

Honestly, you are channeling Ashb. So, well, all you have to do is put the tongue.

I have to I have to commit to the bit. I might not do the accent cuz I'm not very good at it.

You were really good at it.

Oh, thanks.

Give yourself some credit. This is a very scary episode and it is October and when we do cover some of these darker topics, they do tend to open our listeners up. Mhm.

So perhaps while listening to this, set intentions, ground yourself, light a candle, air out the room, don't drive while listening, but do what you want. This is going to be a two-parter. And today I am finally covering a place that I have long awaited unavoided out of fear, out of sheer volume. This is the Hinsdale House, also known as the Dandy House. One of the most, if not the most, haunted houses in New York. They were fortunate to get out. My heart just skipped a beat for a second.

Stupid. Okay. You know what? I also wondering if this is the one who was

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rude to you.

The cat doesn't like me.

Oh, and also, okay, thank you. Thank you for calling us stupid because I meant to say so many other things. I was re-watching that Haunted with episode

and I had a lot of epiphies cuz I was saying over the years I don't think I have had any experiences with this cat.

Yeah. But I think I have there were a couple times where on campfire stories over the summer while you were gone while you were gone while you were on maternity leave.

I disappeared from the ether that I would put Ghost Tube on and a lot of the words that were coming through were very similar to when we featured the cat figurine. And I think that one of the spirits that I thought was haunting the house was actually in this. So, it might even have become a vessel for a different spirit,

right? Cuz the person who gave it to us when we were on tour a few years ago, she was like, "It's supposed to be haunted, but she hadn't experienced anything."

She thought it was haunted by a cat,

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right?

But maybe it's become a vessel for someone else, something else.

My gosh. And here we were at the top saying how nice and kind and protective you would be. Why is she here? It was you.

Oh my gosh. Well, your lucky day, Miss Kitty Cat. I'm barely going to be talking cuz Sabrina is covering the hint still house. But be nice to Karen, little kitty cat.

I like the way the blood drips down.

Hinsdale House intro

Okay, from the outside, this home, the Hinsdale house, looks unremarkable. Just a lonely farmhouse. It's wood weathered by time and storms. But this house is so much more. Do not be deceived. Do not be naive.

Okay.

The Hinsdale house is steeped in blood, steeped in tragedy, and the land itself may even be cursed. It is a story centuries long, one with endless chapters of death, of occult practices,

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of failed exorcisms, and countless terrifying encounters with the paranormal. So, to start the episode,

Hinsdale House history

I'm going to give a shout out to two books that I read as like my main sources for this episode or the two episodes. The first one is Echoes of a Haunting, written by Clara M. Miller, previously named Clara Dandy, the owner, the woman who lived through Oh my gosh, I love this. Similar to when we looked at the Conjuring House and we were trying to do all the research on that house. I love when the people who lived it get to be involved in the retellings of it and like sharing their experiences and owning kind of the trauma that happened to them.

No, I agree. And I think The Conjuring House is a very good thing to keep in mind with this episode.

I can't I can't look off and smile, but your costume is just killing me. It's so good.

Okay. And then the second book I read is called Hinsdale House, an American haunting, written by Daniel Claus Case,

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who is the current owner of the Hinsdale House. Also, I just have to say, I know you don't want anything to be seen beneath your holes.

Mhm.

But your mouth is actually so scary underneath it because it's you have black paint on, but there's a little bit of your actual mouth that can be seen. Yeah. Oh. Oh, I don't like that.

What did it say? Turn it on. Oh, you're right. I didn't turn it on.

[ __ ] Oh my gosh.

This whole time.

Well, we'll have picked up the audio hopefully.

Yeah.

Wow. Thank you.

Good call. Good call. But like the light is catching your mouth and like glistening just so that it's really scary and it almost like there's moments where I'm like, is that your tongue and is your tongue black?

And it scares me.

That's what I wanted.

Yeah. Do the tongue thing to the camera though.

Like dance, smokey dance. E, it is creepy, Mr. Fingers. Okay, so I think these are two pretty reliable sources for this episode and next episode. And

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so let's get into it.

Finish. I can hear you.

You can hear us. Good. We can hear you now. The Hinsdale house is tucked away at the very end of an isolated road at 3830 McMahon

McMahon. I don't know.

McMahan.

Mick, your mom road in Hinsdale, New York, just 65 miles south of Buffalo. This is a very small rural town in the Alageney Plateau region of Can you guess where this house is? Well, I already know, so I don't want to guess. Appalachia. It's in freaking Appalachia. Despite what we know about Appalachia and despite what we can assume awaits us in this episode, this house resides in the beautiful New York countryside. Think winding roads, rolling hills, enchanting bird songs, fireflies illuminating the night skies. Think of the soft morning dew, a hot cup of coffee on the porch, watching the fog

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dance between the towering oak trees. In theory, this land, this home is beautiful, coated with nature's calm embrace. But let's be real, peace and calm are not two words I'm going to use to describe this house or what you will feel during this episode. In fact, I'm going to quote Daniel Case. He said, "The house's message can be as terrifying as this."

Maybe

I am not afraid to kill you. I'm not afraid to add your name to the list of people who haunt this house.

The [ __ ]

What a freaking threat. That makes this worse. I mean, I know bits and pieces of of the Hinsdale house, but I feel like this just makes everything more ominous. It's like we're we're opening with a threat.

Yes. I also did ask our friends Greg and Dana Newkerk what they think about the house, and I will share their opinion with you in next episode. But I also noticed that Daniel in his book, every time he talks about the house, he capitalizes the letter H because it is

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not an object. It is a place that is very, very much alive, its own entity. So, what the heck caused this home to become a living, breathing, terrifying entity? Is it the home? Is it the people who lived within it? Or does it go back even further? So, next episode we'll talk about like the history of the land and stuff, but this episode we're going to talk about the house and when the Dandy family lived there. So, the Hinsdale House was built in the mid 1800s, and sources vary, but is sometime between 1853 and 1855. It was built as a modest, practical two-story wooden farmhouse meant to be a place for prosperity, a place to build a family, to build a legacy. And unfortunately, records are not clear as to who built the home. But multiple farming families lived in the house. Like, it transferred through families.

But many people didn't stay for long. Some had to leave due to financial hardship. others due to illness or unexplained misfortune. It is said that many owners or tenants of the home fell

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victim to illnesses, tuberculosis, pneumonia, random farming accidents, and now all of these things are common during the time.

Mhm. So, it doesn't raise immediate red flags, but it is interesting that this house from its conception of it being built as a farmhouse is home to a lot of death, tragedy, and misfortune. I wrote most of us played organ trail so we know we know you died from everything

dysentery mostly dysentery

mostly there is one tragic story that has been told through oral history but again isn't recorded in documents but it is the story of a man who lived in the Hinsdale farmhouse sometime in the early to mid 20th century who is said to have died by suicide inside the home. So, it really does seem as if illness and misfortune has clung to these walls of the Hinsdale house. And according to locals, families frequently sold or altogether had to abandon the home. So, by 1970, when the Dandy family moved in,

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this home had already garnered a reputation of being

curse,

unlucky,

of being cursed. And unfortunately or unluckily, the Dandy family was very unaware of this reputation. Which brings

the Dandy family

us to the family that brought the haunting of the Hansale house to the public eye. Not because it was the first haunting, but because of the many failed attempts at exercising the paranormal from this house.

Man, it's just like one of those places where it's like,

I want you to go. It feels like it wins immediately as you start talking. Okay. Well, I'm not cuz I live here. So,

it's so interesting. I'm like, who is this?

Why don't they like me?

I don't know. But at least now we know who it is.

I know. I actually don't really care that you don't like me. But I feel sorry for you cuz you have to sit through this.

I feel sorry for you cuz Karina is a delight if you give her a chance.

Okay. So, our story now begins with Clara Miller who married Phil Dandy in

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July of 1955. and they spent much of their early married years together living in Buffalo, New York. In 1956, they gave birth to their first child, a son named Mike. Beth was then born in 1957. Laura was born in 1960 and Mary was born in 1962. They were busy. That's like four kids in 5 years. How much?

It's more than that. It's like eight years, but still growing.

I'm so bad at the accent. I need my microphone. I actually am so glad that this is who you chose to be because I feel like this is comedic relief throughout the episode. Sadly, and this is a content warning for loss of child, they had a fifth child, a daughter named Christina Michelle, who was born in 1963, but sadly only lived a couple of days.

Oh, that's really tough.

So, they were the average American family, busy with work and kids. And of course, Clara has written her book with hindsight, so she sees things a bit differently now. But at the time, Clara

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felt like her and her husband Phil were drifting apart.

And in 1967, she wanted to reconnect with him. They were both really busy with

me.

And so she suggested that they go on a vacation in the countryside and leave Buffalo for a long weekend or a week and just go spend some time in nature

in the trees.

In the trees. And this trip is what sparked everything. The chain of events that we're about to lay out. Although Clara herself is like, "Maybe I was always destined to be in this house."

Oh, she was summoned and it didn't matter what happened, she would have ended up there anyway.

It's difficult.

It is difficult to talk in this mask. You're right. So, this vacation, they got out of the bustling city and they went into Alagany State Park. It was filled with bliss. They felt rejuvenated and even their children seemed to thrive in this more relaxed atmosphere. And then Clara was like, "Well, maybe we should start to look at moving out of the city and making this nature escape more permanent." So the next fall in

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1968, the Dandy family began to search for their own countryside cabin. But at first, this cabin was just going to be a place to escape to on the weekends. So this is not the Hinsdale house. This is a small step towards living in the country full-time, a small step towards moving into and finding the Hinsdale house. So in 1968, the Dandies found a cabin near Cuba, New York, and they would drive up nearly every weekend to explore. They would go on hikes, take in the sights, and take in the fresh country air. So they find this like weekend cabin that they go to, and this is in 1968. But Phil is finding it harder and harder to join them. He keeps getting stuck in the city, working non-stop. And it seemed like these weekend escapes were no longer enough. and the family was really aching to live in the countryside full-time or perhaps they were being called there by something deeper or darker, something predestined. I don't like that. So, playing into this question of destiny, the same woman, Donna, who had actually sold the family

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the cabin in Cuba, New York, reached out to Clara and she's like, "You know what? I actually have a farmhouse for sale in the same area and I think that this house is just right for your family.

The destiny again. It's like they're being drawn there and everything is aligning to pull them in.

That farmhouse was the Hinsdale house. Clara Dandy, now who goes by Clara Miller, wrote in her book the following. That day, the day Donna took us to see the place we were hooked. Later, that tendency to be drawn to, absorbed in, and sometimes obsessed with the house became more apparent. But on this day, it really gave us hope for a brighter future. Little did we know when they went to look at the house, there was nothing sinister about that tall pine tree at the beginning of the drive. There was nothing off-putting about the spring house, and there was nothing threatening about the large pond at the side of the house. left

to the dandies who were leaving the city life behind them.

This home and the deafening silence was

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heavenly.

I feel like this is kind of what we talk about sometimes where it's like, "Oh, wouldn't it be so peaceful to just like live in the middle of nowhere?"

Yeah.

If it wasn't the Hinsdale house or actually any of the surrounding area really. So then in the early 1970s, the Dandy family bought and moved into the Hinsdale house. But at first they slowly moved items up. So they weren't full-time. They basically like every weekend they would do these mini moving trips where they would load up the car, drive a whole hall up. What does it say? I don't know.

Why am I here?

Why am I here? Well, you're here to

Are you okay? Did you get lightheaded?

Yeah, a little bit. Sorry, I like forgot where I was for a second. I'm here.

Maybe this is the one who wasn't touching you.

It's also distract like having a lot of fibers enter your mouth is also a little distracting. Yeah, I will say recording in costume isn't always practical.

No,

but it's fun. It

seems so joyous until we have to sit here for 90 minutes.

Well, we hope you enjoy it. Everything's

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for you and your mom.

Okay, so they do these like mini moving trips and they drove a 1970s station wagon, a car that had never given them any trouble.

But on one of their drives to the Hinsdale house, their car suddenly and inexplicably overheated and boiled over. Jesus. From that day on, the card's radiator plagued them with issues. And no matter what they did, no matter how many times they went to go get it checked up on, no matter what, this car would always act up. And this is something that is a very common thread with the Hinsdale house. So many people

move quickly have issues with their cars. Interesting. It's one of those things that like sometimes when poltergeist and demonic activity is so intense, I feel like it does extend to cars. Whether it's either trying to get people to crash or the cars not work and like keep them there or just follow them to work and be like you're never safe.

Oh, you're trying to go on a camping trip to escape me. I'm here too. I think that's what it is cuz there are certain times where I'm like, oh, is it trying

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to prevent them from going there? And maybe at first it was, but then whatever entity that was couldn't help anymore because it did some pretty horrendous, terrifying, harmful things to cars. Again, so much can be said in hindsight. Unfortunately, they didn't have that until it was too late. So, finally on July of 1970, the Dandy family fully moves into the Hinsdale house. It's Phil, 39, Clara, 37, their oldest son, Mike, who's 17.

Glad

Beth 16, Laura, 12, Mary, 11, and all of their pets. And they have like a whole menagerie of pets. They have two dogs, a cat, a raccoon named Princess. Oh my god, I love that. who who literally was litter box trained.

Oh my gosh.

They had four guinea pigs, two parakeetses, two finches, and a woodchuck named Nipper.

Wow. They were really living life. They loved their animal.

It's like a Disney princess movie, right? Like there's Snow White.

They were in Buffalo with all those

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pets. No doubt they needed to be in the countryside. As with many stories like this, and again reminds me a lot of the Conjuring. The unusual activity began right away. So remember, they spent the whole summer doing these like mini moving trips, right? So, they had presumably gone up the weekend before this. They move up July 1970 and this is their full move. When they get to the house that day, the house is filled with bees to the point where you can't even see into the window because they are like covered in live.

Oh,

like the windows are black with bees.

Jeez.

So, all of a sudden,

that's infested with bees. And that's also I'm just like thinking logistically like that that's a hard one because of the process for bee removal. It's like bats like when you have a bat in your house it doesn't mean that you can get rid of it all the time.

Right. So they hired an exterminator and eventually they're able to to actually move in. But now this is like coupled with like literally shoveling thousands of dead bee carcasses out of their home.

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The Dandy family begins to move in. They begin to settle into their house. And at first, the biggest issue seemed to be just from buying an old house. Truly, like the furnace was literally a hole.

Hide now.

Was a hole.

Hide now.

Did hide.

Yeah.

From what?

Come and find me.

If there's anything negative inside your mom,

it's not welcome here. There's no negativity allowed here. We are surrounded by love and light and ashby jokes. Okay. The furnace was literally a hole in the living room floor that you had to drop a lit match into.

Wait, I kind of love that.

But how dangerous is that?

It's so dangerous. But it feels so old school, you know? Like when people pop their own corn,

right? But like you just have to like hope it lights and no one falls in there.

What if something goes wrong and you like try to lean in and grab it and you're just lit ablaze?

Exactly. Terrifying. But there were some other less natural things that they had to deal with. Like the fact that their

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dogs kept bringing home bones, huge long bones. And at first, Clara thought they were animal bones. They lived in the woods now, right? So like they're like, it's probably deer bones. And she kept disposing of them and was pretty grossed out.

Pray.

Yes, we should pray.

Also, I think you're right about this figurine because I'm freezing cold.

Really?

Yeah.

What? I'm about to shiver.

I don't know. And normally I'm hot cuz we're like under lights and stuff in here.

That's wild.

Yeah.

Okay,

girlfriend. You're going home with Sabrina later

for sure. But you're not allowed to harm Karen.

I think we're just sitting together.

Okay.

Watching you.

Okay, cool.

Do you need it?

Do you need what? Do I need Karen? Yes. And she's a her, not an it.

Well, I don't know what I am. I'm the Lorax. I speak for the trees. Well, coming from the trees are human bones brought in by the dogs. We'll learn later that those were not animal bones. And then there were the ghosts. So the

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Danny's met the neighbors who had kids of some

Why are you asking?

And the neighbors told them that there was a ghost that walked down the road. And now the Danny's thought that all the neighbors were joking until the eldest dandy kid, Mike, saw the ghost himself. After this encounter, Clara became curious. And the neighbor's daughter, Pat, was terrified of this ghost, claiming it was a shadow man that was darker than dark. So Clara looks it up. Looks up what this term is, shadow man. And all references keep connecting it to Satan. But of course, she doesn't think much of it because this is the first time she's dealt with anything paranormal. It's also outside down the road, so it's not going to bother them, right? But more and more alarming incidents started to begin. Like the day that Beth and the neighbor Pat came running into the house hysterical because they told Clara that the man was watching them from the hill.

The doll.

What about the doll? Actually, there is a doll story here.

Oh, it's coming up later and it's a pretty scary story. But again, Clara

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doesn't think much about it. There's other pressing stuff. And so for the first couple of months, Claire's commuting 150 m a day. is driving to Buffalo in the city for work and then coming back at night. And then through like, you know, various reasons, she ends up quitting her job and becoming a stay-at-home mom in November of 1970. And that first winter is absolute hell. Not just out of the paranormal sort, but out of the freezing cold winter sort. From February until April, their water lines were frozen. They got snowed in to the point that even the snow plow got stuck.

Ooh.

And they also had to like they could only take baths once a week. It was like old timey.

Yeah.

Because they couldn't get hot water.

Like their house is old timey and then everything about their experience is becoming old timey.

Exactly. And then one night during this winter icy storm, Clara is startled to see an object in the sky. This object is moving at high speed but entirely silent. So she calls out to the kids who all run and join her. All five of them watch a round large craft with lighted

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windows hover above them for a few minutes before suddenly veering and disappearing to the north. It remind you of the Conjuring House?

Yeah.

This is the first of many UFO encounters. Although Clara, even like in her book now many years later, she refuses to call them UFOs. She also refuses to call the house haunted cuz she doesn't really know what to call them.

Mhm. The kids see similar crafts hovering over the house or in the nearby sky for the years that follow. And one night in the summer of 1971, when Phil is out of town, Clara woke up to a sound. When she opened her eyes, she was shocked to see the entire room suddenly get flooded by a fluorescent light. Her son Michael yells from downstairs from his bedroom, "Mom, do you see this? The whole house is lit up." And he says, "I think it's right outside my window."

There it is.

It is outside the window. It is. A few days later, Claire finds that there's a report in the paper of a flying saucer seen in the area that same night that

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Mike and her woke up to the fluorescent light. It's so bizarre. It makes me wonder so much about like same with the Conjuring House like the connection between aliens, UFOs, and these like really really intense

hauntings. Yeah. I don't know. Is it lelay lines? Are aliens ghosts? We don't know. Or are ghosts aliens? But so now I'm going to list off some really horrifying things that happened to the family. And on their own, many of these instances are easy to write off, but altogether it paints a much darker image. One that implies something was trying to harm the family, that something didn't want them there or was punishing them for being there. And Clara recalls that in my four years that they lived there, they had an insane number of injuries, car accidents, and incidents that are beyond the normal like, oh, kids getting hurt.

So,

almost immediately upon moving in, Mary falls off her bike and had to get multiple stitches. Later, Laura fell off

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her bike and got staff infection in her foot. Mike spilled boiling water on himself, burning his stomach. Clara broke her finger while changing a window. Mike truly cut down to a tendon in his hand while trying to put flowers in a vase.

Oh my god.

Bill cut his thumb to the bone while trying to push the car out of the snow. Beth broke her arm in the gym. Mike broke his toe playing basketball. Laura broke her foot working out. Clara's mother and father had three car accidents while driving home after leaving the Dandes Hinsdale house. Clara got in a car accident in 1971. Mike nearly died in a car accident on October 21st, 1973. 5 weeks after Mike nearly dies, Beth's boyfriend has a car accident and nearly dies. In 1974, the Dandy family had four car accidents in the span of 2 weeks. And all of them are freak accidents, like the wheel suddenly jamming or other cars out of nowhere coming and veering them off the road. Additionally, very

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tragically, the family pets kept dying in freak accidents. And Clara recalled that prior to moving the Hinsdale house, their pets almost always only died of old age.

But since moving into the house in 1970, they lost countless pets.

This is so horrific. Like, everyone's being seriously injured and then the animals are dying.

Three pets died within a 2 week span. All of them had been living in Mary's bedroom.

Oh my god.

So Mary's room, keep this in mind, three pets died within 2 weeks. They all had been living in Mary.

Are you recording?

We are recording.

We are. I am like I'm getting It's so weird. Last time we recorded literally nothing and we've recorded all of our Halloween encounters between here.

My head is pounding.

My eyes hurt.

I don't know what

My mouth is dry now. Like I've been afflicted.

If you're the listener who gave us this haunted object, what did you give us?

Ow. I can't believe it didn't. Well, maybe it did hurt me trying.

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It makes no sense. It makes no sense.

I'm lovable.

Very.

We can't stay.

You don't have to stay. We're going to go home after this. Okay. So, when the vet like on the third pet who dies in from Mary's room, the vet is like, "Maybe you should keep your pets out of Mary's room." Not long after that did the Dandies realize that no one should be in Mary's room. Oh my gosh.

At all. So, from 1970 to 1974, the family had countless accidents. And over these four years, the family went from pretty happy to completely financially drained. And over the four years, everything got worse and worse. Looking back, Clara sees that something didn't being in that house. But it was easy at the time to write things off or to try to rationalize them. And despite the horrors I'm about to share with you, apparently the time in the house wasn't bad. It was an otherwise very happy place filled with picnics, hosting family, swimming in the pond, gardening, and so much more than just the paranormal encounters. And things

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started out slow. An odd encounter here or there.

Timeless.

But by 1973, things really took a turn.

I fell.

Okay, so we're going to start with some of the smaller things and then we're going to build up to 1973 where everything changed. So, one time in 1971, Clara came home to find her children scared, terrified. They were adamant that someone had broken into the home. And sure enough, all of the clothes in Clara, Laura, Beth, and Mary's drawers were completely pulled out of their drawers. Mary's record player had been hurled across their room.

Oh my gosh.

And their usually very protective dog was terrified, like cowering in the corner.

Oh, it was only the girls' rooms. Only the girls rooms. Only the girls clothes. Oh, weird. How many kids did they have again? Five.

Four.

Four. Mike.

Four and five years.

Mike, Laura, Beth, Mary. One stormy night in the winter of 1972, Clara drove to go pick up Mike and Beth from the

the hop, the school dance. And on the drive home, it is a very stormy night.

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They're watching as sheets of lightning like illuminate the really dark sky. And they're driving up towards their house when the lightning strikes and it illuminates something terrifying. that really big

hospital

tree at the edge of the road and they see what looks like a silhouette hanging from the tree branch.

And they hear the sounds of it swinging.

Terrified.

Claire slams on her brakes thinking someone actually is truly hanging from the tree.

Yeah.

But as this is a paranormal episode, no one was there. Terrified and a little shaken, they keep driving. But as they drive past the tree, they keep hearing the sound of something creaking back and forth. The hauntings surrounding this tree do become very common place. They would hear singing or chanting clear as day coming from the tree. They also heard a creepy, monotonous male voice muttering a prayer. And at first, it started out as this joke like, "Oh, the spirits are having a concert up on the hill." But it grew much more chilling,

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much more menacing. And looking back, they realized there was nothing fun or playful about it. With these accumulating occurrences, the kids ask

prisoner, you're not being kept here. You also don't have to stay in this if you don't want to. You can I mean, you can't stay at Karen's, but

Well, yeah, let's give that piece of advice once you're out of the house.

Yeah, I'll talk. We'll have a conversation later.

You guys can chat later.

Yeah. So, with all of these occurrences

the ouija board & the haunted doll

happening, like the kids are like, "Oh, like we have ghosts." and they asked if they can use a Ouija board to find out what's haunting the home. It was just a playful request and Clara was like, "It's just a Ouija board. Like, that's just a game, right?" So, one night when Clara's out of the house, the kids pull out the Ouija board. They set it up in the living room where Clara had kept a vigil light burning in front of a statue of Mary pretty much ever since they started having paranormal encounters at the house. The kids are using the Ouija board in front of this burning light and statue and they ask, "What is going on in this house?"

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Ceremony

there. Yeah, it's like a ceremony. And they ask, "What is going on in this house?" Immediately, the planchette flies out from under their hands. And as the plantet is flying across the room, the candle that was lit lifts up off of the vigil stand and flies across towards them, landing in front of their feet.

Wrong

and extinguishing.

She's like, there's no

What happened to me?

What happened to you? Well, if you're the spirit attached to the figurine, at some point you passed and you found this cat

Yeah.

figurine. And now

now you're here.

You're here.

Where are we? We're in Karin's house recording the podcast.

But it's so strange cuz it's like it doesn't feel like there's any ramp up period. It's just horrifying, horrible experiences from the get- go.

Well, there is a ramp up period because these are all like really small things that are happening from like 1971 to 1973 and then 1973 things like you think it's crazy right now.

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Yeah, I do.

It gets insane in 1973.

Oh my god.

The candle flies. It extinguishes. is at their feet and the kids are terrified and they're like, "Let's not let's not do this anymore." And then I don't know who had the idea, you know? I think it's like kids playing, but Beth had this doll that she felt like was always watching her and threatening her.

So, one of the kids suggests that they get rid of the doll.

They decide to hang the doll.

It smells freak would they do that? And as they're doing it, the energy shifts and each one of them felt as if the doll was staring at them, judging them, plotting something dark.

How was this their way of getting rid of the doll?

This is so disturbing.

I almost don't even feel like it was their idea. I think something like put that idea in their head given the fact that when we talk about the history of this land

and how many people were supposedly hanged from the tree,

like it does feel like it's echoing the history. So, as they're doing this, it starts to like threaten them. It feels really, really scary. So, they cut the

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doll down and they throw her in a closet and lock the door. They're terrified. Beth the next day asks Clara to please give that doll away. And again, I think Clara was like, "Oh, you know what? It's fine. I don't think the bad energy is that bad." You know, she's like, "Oh, my kid's just scared of this doll." So, what does Clara do? She gives this doll to a neighbor, to a mom named Grace and the daughter named Susan. And apparently the very first night that the doll spent with Susan, every single bed in the home, so they're sleeping. This doll has just come home to them. Every member of this house wakes up to their beds shaking and rocking at the same time,

but not an earthquake.

It's not an earthquake. Susan knew it was something with that doll. Like she just instinctively was like, "This doll is scary." So she puts it in the trash bin the next morning. But unfortunately, she watched as the trash was being picked up. The garbage man saw the doll and literally took it out of the garbage bin and put it into the like front of

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the truck. Meaning he was going to give it to someone else.

Oh no.

Museum.

Wait, why didn't she run out and say, "Hey." Hey,

definitely.

That doll is got some spicy energy.

I do not know. But getting rid of the doll didn't do anything for the D&D family. Because like I said, 1973, the year the things changed. As time went

1973: the year things changed

on, the world around them began to shift. Birds started acting crazy. The atmosphere kept growing thicker and heavier. People stopped being able to sleep. And again, in recollection, a lot of people are like, "Oh, like each of us started to shift." Like energy characteristics. Like Clara used to wash the dishes and she would always sing. And in a letter that Beth wrote to her,

she was like, "Mom, I hope you notice that like something has changed in you. You don't sing anymore." Oh, that makes me so sad. Phil and Clara are growing further and further apart. Phil's seldom coming home and he's instead staying with Clara's parents near the city, which I think he did still work in the city, but it is interesting that he's

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choosing to spend less time at home.

Yeah. And it's not like he's running from her or their marriage, like he's staying with his in-laws.

Yeah, exactly. And Clara claims that Phil's presence in the home actually made the paranormal activity worse. So, it's like when Phil wasn't there, paranormal activity was still present, but it was not as bad. Then in July of 1973, things took a much darker turn. Like I said, individual occurrences could probably take up four full episodes, but I'm going to share the larger ones and then you can read the books if you want. So, at this point, both Phil and Mike, Mike is the oldest son and Phil's the husband, are hesitant to really believe that whatever is happening in the house is paranormal. But 1973 changed everything. We have the singing and hanging bodies by the old tree. Then looking outside, they start to see eyes in the tree lines watching them. There was a ghost boy of around 16 years old who multiple people saw. He would often walk towards the pond and then disappear. People would see this boy at the exact same time and he would appear the same

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planet.

Panchchett.

Mhm.

But the boy would have like different clothing. So, if you and I saw the boy at the same time, I might see him wearing like jeans and a t-shirt and you might see him wearing like

Oh, that's strange. Cuz I was thinking like, did he drown or something? That's why he's just like repeating his trip to the pond over and over and over again. But if he's changing outfits, it feels like some sort of manipulation or projection, right? It's weird. From the very beginning, Mary and specifically her bedroom seemed to be the hot spot of activity. And by 1973, Mary hardly slept in her room at all, if even at the house. like she's already spending more and more time in Buffalo with Clara's parents.

And then the entities started targeting Beth and Laura. Now that Mary's kind of spending less time there, the entity is like, "Well, there's two more girls." Nearly every night, there was stomping, scratching, or banging of some kind. On July 2nd of 1973, Clara wakes up to a terrified scream. It's 3:30 in the morning, and she runs to find Beth in her bed covering her eyes, terrified.

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When Beth finally calmed down, she explained that she went to go get a glass of water and when she got back in bed, something jumped on her stomach. She thought it was one of the cats until this thing came and like started attacking her face. She pushed it away and it felt soft and furry. But keep in mind their pets never did this.

Mhm.

And it was also smaller than a cat or a pet. But when she knocked it off, she noticed that it didn't hit the ground.

H. It's just hovering there. No, it just disappeared.

Oh, it fully disappeared.

Between July 2nd and July 4th, 1973, multiple items in multiple bedrooms were thrown across the floor. And on the morning of July 4th, Beth woke up to a really severe burn mark on her leg. And this is when Mike, the eldest, who was kind of hesitant to believe in any of the paranormal, kind

gasps because he sees the burn mark and he's like, "I had a burn mark like that last week."

Assuredly,

but I didn't tell anyone. It looked the exact same.

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Oh my god. So now Mike is having a hard time ignoring that there's something paranormal happening and he wants answers. So he suggests to his mom, to Clara, that they go to the town historian. So the next day he, Beth, and Clara all go to the historian to try to find out what happened in their home. And this becomes like the long journey of trying to understand the history of this house. I don't think they found a ton, but it was more of like a request to figure out stuff. So the town historian was like on it. I'll figure stuff out. That night they return home and they're sitting in the living room watching TV. It's Mike, Beth, and Clara when Mike points to something across the room. And he's like, "What's that?" And they all turn to look and they had like a wall with portraits of the family in Mary's. Keep in mind Mary's the one whose room is like the most haunted to the point where she's most of the time living with the grandparents now in Buffalo.

Yeah. In Mary's communion photo,

they see

I can hear you.

A clear plastic letter opener is in the photo.

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What?

Making it look like Mary had been stabbed.

We command it.

Ooh, I don't like that at all. This is so typical too of like Yeah. a really intense poltergeist activity where they do things that are displays of religious belief for the family who is enduring the haunting and then basically like tries to taunt them or do

there is yeah

Clara had over the years kind of reached out to people to bless the house and do things but she never really found anyone who could do it. So now it's July 4th or something and she realizes that they have a family reunion coming up on July 8th and there's actually a cousin of hers who is a priest. Mhm.

So she calls her mom and she's like, "Hey, mom, can you like ask Father Bob, our cousin, if he would be down to bless the house, and Clara's mom's like, "Ask him at the reunion." So at the picnic, she confides in her cousin, Father Bob. And he's like, "I'll do what I can,

but I I recommend you find someone who does that sort of thing."

Okay.

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Meaning that he can bless a house, but he doesn't really deal with the paranormal.

Yeah. He doesn't think that whatever he does is going to be strong enough or appropriate for what they're enduring.

Yep. They basically plan that Bob is going to come by later that week. But before Bob comes, when they're back at the house, a lot of crazy things happen. They wake up to find the charcoal lighter in the bathroom next to the water heater. Like someone had like put it trying to light a fire.

We commanded.

Additionally, Beth found burn marks on a set of curtains and burn marks in leaves of their plants. And all of these burn marks are the exact same size, exact same shape of the burn mark that she found on her leg that Mike found on his leg a couple days earlier. It's just Yeah. So now Clara is taking Father Bob's advice and so she's been like searching the paper trying to find other priests who does that sort of thing and that's how she ends up getting connected to a man named Father Alfonsus who will play a very large role in this story. We'll call him Father Al. So she

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calls him, but he's not in, so she has to wait.

I'm not from here.

That Tuesday, July 10th, Father Bob and Clara's parents come to Hinsdale House, and as promised, Father Bob blesses the house. But as he's doing the blessing, Clara knows that it's not doing anything because the atmosphere in the house gets thicker and heavier as the blessing is happening. 2 days later, Father Al returns her call and decides to stop by that afternoon. And Father Al becomes this like true light in their lives because

are you sick?

Even are you sick?

Yeah, a little bit.

Maybe maybe now they're getting to know you a bit better.

Are you going to do a spell on me

to make you feel better? He does so many exorcisms and blessings on this house. And while they never really work, he is such a positive light in their lives. Like the his personality, he's just very charming. He's very nice. And anytime he leaves, the family just feels a lot better because he just provided them with a lot of positivity. He's also done

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a lot of work in the paranormal world. So when he examines the house and he hears Clara's story, he tells her they're likely dealing with a poltergeist.

I do like that they have this guy that they not only can trust and can confide in, but also that it does feel like he's there to protect them, right? like it's finally someone who's going to understand things to finish the spell

or he's doing a spell maybe like kind of like it's a ritual.

True.

True.

Troop. Okay. So, not too long after Father Al comes.

Liar.

Well, he doesn't mean to lie. He He thinks he blesses the house and it just doesn't work. But not long after coming to the house, a neighbor who Clara had confided in some of the paranormal activity that was happening comes to Clara and is like, "Hey, I know a psychic named Wall-E who can help you." And Clara is like open to doing anything, right? And she just wants answers to try to understand what's happening in her house. Unfortunately, this psychic, and I don't think they meant any harm by it, but the test that they did determined that Clara was

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powering the events in the house, that like Clara, the mom, was responsible for it. and that the youngest Mary was actually channeling that power, turning it into a poltergeist activity, which if you're a mom and your family is being plagued by like paranormal things and you're told that, hey, you're actually the power behind this entity, you would become like, oh, it's all my fault,

right? It's so shitty. And then you're like, well, do I need to leave or like what do I do to fix this?

Starts.

Yeah. You think like, do I need to go away?

And this really starts eating at her to the point where it actually makes her mental health worse. It makes all the paranormal activity stronger because what does something dark want? They want to weaken you and become stronger. It consumed her so much that she stopped eating and started to lose a lot of weight. As the days passed, Clara felt certain that the house and the entities were getting stronger because the humans living within were getting weaker. One afternoon, Laura, Mary, and their friend Susan were swimming in the pond while a bunch of others were sitting outside of the house enjoying the warm summer day

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when all of a sudden, Mary, and Susan come sprinting into the kitchen,

talking about a woman they had seen dancing on the other side of the pond. This woman had red hair, big blue eyes, and buck teeth. This woman was like spinning around dancing until she disappeared into the tall grass. Wait, that's a weird way to describe her as having buck teeth cuz like how could they see all the way across the palm?

Well, that's exactly why it's so weird. It's like how did they see every single detail? And not only did she have buck teeth, she had red lines down every single one of her teeth.

Yeah, I don't get it.

Phil thought there was like a real woman on the property. So, he runs over to the pond and he's like examining everything. There's no footsteps. There's nothing. There's no sign of anyone being there. And that is when Mary just so nonchalantly goes, "I'll bet that lady died on the tree being hanged. Her eyes were bugging out of her head."

Oh, well, there was someone who

Mhm.

that makes me sad for her appearance, too.

In the dark.

Yeah. But then she's like also dancing

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and like it almost feels like she's luring them into the woods. It's kind of creepy.

Yeah.

So, Phil looks to his wife Clara and goes, "I think you should call Father Al again." So that evening, Father Al and his friend, Father Dermit, come to the house. They bless the house and they tell the Dandies, "Don't worry, you'll never see that woman again." But they were wrong. And by the end of July 1973, the spirits were becoming more and more active. No longer just outside of the home, they are now inside the house. It's by this time that the family basically decided to close up Mary's room entirely because the atmosphere in there had gotten so bad. They described it as a vacuum that just even walking in there, it felt like you were moving through molasses. And it felt like, you know, when you're flying, you'd like pop your ears cuz the atmosphere changed.

That's how it felt walking into a room.

Even in the heat of the summer, Mary's room was freezing. One time, Clara tried to light a candle in the room to clear the energy. And as she lit the candle, a stuffed animal, she's in the room by herself,

a stuffed animal is thrown at her and

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hits her in the back of her head. She's utterly alone in the room. So now Mary is staying at the grandparents house as much as possible or when she would stay home she would sleep with her mom Clara. Despite closing off Mary's room, Beth, whose room was right below Mary's room, kept hearing furniture moving around in Mary's room. Like she would hear things shuffling around, but they'd go up and no one was there. There was one time they heard what sounded like someone like getting into bed in Mary's room.

And they went up there and they saw the compression.

Mhm. Oh, it's just so wild, too, because it's like they're all experiencing stuff, but they're experiencing things together. And also just like the amount of time it takes like to hear someone and then walk upstairs and then see

Yep.

to see it.

Yeah.

On August 5th, 1973, Phil was overcome by dread so bad that he decided he was not going to go to work because he was he was like, "Something bad is going to happen."

I can't remember.

And then they got a call from friends and this is really sad. They called to tell Phil and Clara that their daughter

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Laura had been making some really serious accusations, accusing every male of molesting her. So, Phil and Clara take this very, very seriously and are incredibly concerned cuz if this is true, that's horrible, right?

Mhm.

But they ask Laura about it and as Laura is responding, she does not sound like herself. She starts talking in this like oldtimey, very formal fashion and her eyes almost look like they don't belong to her, but they want to get Laura help, right? Cuz they like they want to figure out if this is true, what's going on. And when they do talk to someone, people are like, "Maybe you should try having her live with your grandparents for a little bit of time. Like maybe there's something happening in her life she needs to change."

It seems like everyone's kind of flaying to the grandparents.

Yes. They decide to send Laura to go stay with the grandparents, but Laura literally says, "This is really, really scary." Like, she basically everyone starts to believe that something's possessing her. And when people express

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concern and they're trying to like care for Laura, Laura goes,

it's okay. I know I'm going to die young and it doesn't matter because I've seen everything anyway.

Well, I don't like that at all. And then it also just reminds me of like the warren come up a lot in investigations like this, but like when they categorized the steps and stages of poltergeist activity, like the fourth one being death, it's like

yeah,

whatever has taken over her is already like, yeah, that's the end goal and that's what's going to happen.

It's very sad. Yeah. It's hard to Is it like is the house impacting them? Was this always going to happen? I definitely think the house is playing a part.

Why am I here? But I don't know that the house is responsible for Laura thinking she's going to die young.

But so now Laura is spending more time at the grandparents house. But now with Laura's absence, the spirits are like, "We need to find another vessel." And it chose Beth. It started on August 12th. Beth was in her bedroom when all of a sudden she sees a woman with long dark hair standing in her window outside of her window beckoning her. She described

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the woman as having filthy wet hair with big dark eyes, pasty white skin, dead looking. But the worst part was the way that the woman was beckoning her.

They didn't know this yet, but this is the beginning of what will become Beth's eventual possession.

But like I said, they didn't know it yet. And after this encounter on August 12th, they do have a few days of peace, which every time they had that, the family would get this hope that perhaps it was over.

Mhm. And around this time, a lot of rumors started to spread about the Dandy family and their so-called haunted house. And people were spinning a lot of tales. Like people were like, "Oh, the Dandy family is saying that like there's blood coming out of their pictures."

Okay. Well, sort of. One of their pictures is literally stabbed. So,

but it's also at this time, so like there's so many rumors being spread and a reporter from the local AAN newspaper calls and is like, "Hey, I want to write your story." Clara and Phil spent a lot of time like between the two of them being like, I don't know if this is right for us, if this is good for us.

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But because of all the rumors that are being spread, they're like, you know what? Maybe we tell our story

our way. Well, what's interesting is blood coming down the pictures is just such a like the standard rumor would be, but what actually happened seems so much worse than that. I think what Clara and Phil why they decide to agree to write this article is more that people are kind of accusing them of being liars and making up like outrageous stories when a lot of the stories that are being shared they never even said themselves.

So they agree to this article under one condition. All names and the location of the house is out of the story to keep them anonymous.

But that's weird. How does that combat rumors?

Um that's a good question. But I think they like didn't want like the location of the house to be anywhere.

Okay. So, it's still just like the haunted house of Hinsdale. Here's the real story.

Unfortunately, when the article is published, it's on the front page with a big old picture of the house. And despite the names and address being left

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out, people are like, "Oh, I know what that house is." And people start camping out outside of the house from all over the country. Like, I think someone from Canada even drove down. Oh, that's wild. See, this is why so many of those haunted places or just like historical landmarks have either a ton of security or they end up not letting people go in because people vandalize.

Yeah. So now like everyone's harassing the family and there are people like parking outside of the house and they're either saying you guys are liars, ghosts aren't real or it's people

wanting to see the ghosts.

Also, if you are driving all the way there or camping out and spending your time and energy to tell someone

Mhm. that ghosts are not real. Like either you fully believe in ghosts or you need to really

get other hobbies,

get other hobbies and look at yourself and like what are you doing?

But it gets so bad that they end up having to call the state troopers. And this is wild because the state trooper who knocks on the door to talk to the Dandy family and like figure out what's going on.

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Mhm.

Used to grow up in this area and his brother died not far from the house in a really like tragic accident. And the description of his brother matches the 16-year-old boy spirit like identically.

And they get to talking and they like put these pieces.

They obviously didn't know that. The sheriff's just talking and then they were describing this boy and he's like, "Oh my god, that sounds like my brother."

Oh my chills.

Like it feels almost serendipitous.

Yeah. And it feels like something drew him back to even be able to maybe it was his brother to understand what's going on.

And Clara feels like this is fate. like she's supposed to be putting these pieces together to try to understand the spirits. At the end of August 1973, things were escalating even more. One night, they woke up to every single burner on the stove being lit. Thankfully, nothing had fallen on the stove or they had woken up right when it happened. But like, could you imagine? Like, it seems like something is trying to burn the house down or harm everyone inside of it. Father Al starts to come more regularly to perform blessings and

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exorcisms on the house. And Clara does recall that she would feel a very strong protective power when Father Al was in the house while he's doing these blessings. But the second the blessings were done, all that positive energy went away.

So it's like he would have to do it constantly,

right? And there

was it the smurl possession that they had everyone from their church come over and everyone was getting prayers and it seemed to work for like

a hot second.

12 hours.

Yeah. Well, and the it's interesting because in this story, it seems like nothing helps stop the paranormal activity except for

one of Mike's friends named Randy.

Just some random guy named Randy.

Yeah, Randy comes over and he Randy wanted to see the paranormal so badly, but every time he came over, the ghosts were just like so silent.

I love that.

Like she starts she starts to call him the like the ghost chaser.

The ghost chaser. I wonder what it was. I wonder if it was just like he was so desperate that the ghosts were like, "This is a fun prank."

Maybe,

or if there was something powerful behind Randy that like made them all

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run.

Whatever it was, it only lasted so long because the night that things get really really bad, which I'm about to get to, it's like Labor Day. Randy was there and it was Randy was like, "Oh, okay. I got I got all the ghosts I ever needed." Now, despite all of these blessings, despite all these exorcism rituals going on, Beth is becoming more and more of a target. And at first, it was just the woman in the window. But then it started becoming someone sitting at the end of her bed at night. And now it's not just the woman at her window. It's a man and a woman standing outside of her window at night and they're muttering. They're talking almost about Beth. And like Beth feels like they're talking about her as they're looking at her as she's trying to sleep. This is freaking me out because that was one of my childhood experiences. It wasn't outside of the window, but a man and a woman standing outside of my door talking and whispering about me.

So creepy. Oh no, my brow. Did it fall? She then also sees that furry creature under her bed growling at her. She starts to smell a strange perfume permeating in her room. It was like

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there was a new entity visiting. And Beth now starts seeing who she thinks is Clara in her room. And there's one night

she like kind of is groggy waking up and she sees what she thinks is her mother standing at her dresser her back to her and Clara like the or who looks like her mom asks her a question like they're fully having conversations. And then came the day that has since been known as the day all hell broke loose. Labor Day 1973.

the day all hell broke loose

Phil is getting ready to leave for work that night.

How do I use it? when he gets that feeling again, that feeling of dread that something bad is going to happen and he's like, "I need to stay home."

And this is now 1973. The family is like in pretty bad financial situation where so Claire's like, "No, you got to go to work. Like, you can't you can't afford to miss holiday pay."

Yeah.

But Phil's like, "No, no, I have to stay. Like something bad is happen going to happen." And sure enough, as like they're debating this, the atmosphere around them shifts and they see someone dart around the house. They think,

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"Okay, maybe someone's on the property." They go to investigate. They cannot find anyone, but they keep walking through really, really terrible cold spots. As they start back towards the house,

Clara sees a girl standing in Beth's window. This girl had strawberry blonde hair, and it looked like she was sitting on Beth's bed. As Clara is looking up, seeing the girl in Beth's room, Beth is on the front porch and sees a figure dressed in white run in front of the house. This is now like dozens of entities like sprinting around the house terrifying everyone.

Which also makes me wonder like are they purposefully doing that or are they running from something?

I don't know. So Beth and Mary go to investigate the woman in white. And it's not too long after that where Mary starts to scream because she is looking back at the house and sees someone looking out at them from inside her bedroom. Her bedroom which has been closed for months now. So now they're terrified that someone's inside of their house. Clara and Phil go to investigate and they tell Beth and Mary to stay in the kitchen. This is when Mike and Randy come home during this commotion and this

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is the first time that Ry's ghost chasing abilities do not work. Beth witnessed the strawberry blonde sitting on her bed. And when Clara came to investigate, they literally watched the indentation from what seemed like someone sitting on the edge of the bed as if they like got up and the indentation rose. Clara calls Father Al. She's panicked. She tells them that they're under siege cuz now they've seen nearly like four or five different spirits inside and outside of their house. They all seem like different spirits. Father Al comes over and he helps everyone get calm enough to go to bed, but that calm is temporary. And Clara continues to research and look for help.

On September 17th, she sees in the newspaper that this like psychic named Alex T is going to be giving a lecture at the nearby college. So her and father Al go to the lecture and father Al asks this psychic Alex T if he would come to the Hinsdale house after the lecture. They told Alex nothing of the events of the family have been

it's what we want

facing at the Hinsdale house and so he

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comes in blind.

Wow.

He walks through the house

hire

and they all sit down and Alex speaks calmly and simply and says did you know you had a mass murder on your property? He then explains that he saw seven spirits. a man who had been stabbed, a woman who had been hanged, another woman who was drowned, a man who was beaten to death, and a young girl that Alex described as having strawberry blonde hair who was attacked, sexually violated, beaten, and tortured to death. And remember, Laura, their daughter, was saying that she was had been assaulted.

Oh my god. Wait, I'm also confused. Were all these people killed by the same person? When it's like a mass murder, it makes me think it's all at once.

That's something that is very unclear

cuz it's like different MOS for every single

It does. I think mass murder might be the wrong term, but maybe mass amount of murders, multiple murders have happened. Yeah.

He claimed that all of these bodies or

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all of these murders happened some 100 years ago. And he had a sense that their burial sites had unknowingly been disturbed recently. And this is also wild because again, Alex knows nothing of this house. He's blind coming in. He claims that these bodies had been buried beneath some barn of some kind. And that is when things click for Clara. Remember how so many things are happening by the pond?

Mhm.

This pond is man-made recently. And what stood where the pond is now? A barn. And then they put water there to like

And remember how when they first moved in, the dogs would come in from the pond woods area with large bones.

Holy [ __ ]

Give it back.

Yeah. Give it back.

Give it back to the land.

Yeah.

Oh my god. The dogs got the bodies.

Yeah.

Oh my god. And it's just so incredible that this guy knew nothing and he was able to identify some of the spirits specifically and then like where basically where things are happening, why they're happening,

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right?

Man, that guy's powerful.

And he's identifying like how all these spirits do look.

I told him.

You told him? Maybe. Were you with Alex T? So, Alex knew none of this coming in. He then goes on to say that he saw another spirit, a woman who was about 90 years old who had recently died but used to live in the house. So like didn't die in the house but recently died and now was back at the house and that she was unrelated to the murders but she knew what happened and wanted to tell someone. The way that he described this elderly woman lined up with the woman who had lived in the house right before the dandies and sure enough had died one month prior to Alex's visit. I wish that this guy came in in the beginning, but it's like they're getting all their answers, but after years of torment

and right and like what do answers even do?

That's true. Well, I guess if you have the answer, it's like you know the bones and bodies were disrupted and so you can try to find some way to return them.

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Yeah, but

bless

as we'll see, nothing works. Even getting blessed doesn't work. So,

we like you.

Oh, I like you, too.

Very different responses you get than I do. So Clara and the family did not know what to make of all of this, but Clara now felt determined to get answers.

She wanted to find records of these supposed murders. And after Alex's visit on September 19th, 1973, the house falls silent for basically an entire month. So they're like, "Oh, maybe Alex is the answer. Maybe maybe getting the answer to who these spirits were was all we needed to do."

They have an entire month of silence. But Clara should have known not to trust that piece because on October 21st, 1973, the spirits of the home tried to murder one of the Dandy family members. Next

next episode

week, we'll step even deeper into the darkness of Hinsdale House. We'll uncover the chilling and multiple attempts to take the lives to attempt to

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kill the Dandy family.

What did it say?

Planchet. There's actually one more time that they use a Ouija board, but I don't think anything actually happens. We'll talk about how something inside the walls of the Hinsdale house seemed intent on erasing them one by one. We will talk about the desperate exorcisms, each one more frantic than the last, every ritual failing as the house refused to let go. And we will witness how this place didn't just haunt the dandies, it tore them apart. Because the story of the Hinsdale house is not finished, not by a long shot. In part two, we will confront what lingers there today and why some people believe the horrors are far from over.

Oh my god.

Like that was a cliffhanger.

That is wild. Like that feels like this should be the end. The fact that that is the setup.

Leave now.

Yeah. Leave now. Run. Run to the grandparents house.

Oh my gosh. I had no idea. I mean, people talk about the Hinsdale house.

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It's inspired movies, right? Like we get emails and stuff, but like Jesus Christ, I didn't I didn't know

and just wait until next episode

just how bad it is. That is so scary.

Next episode is a lot of car accidents and a lot of

How did you feel researching that given that you have had fear of dying in a car

at least? Now

I actually felt fine. And believe it or not,

I like couldn't sleep. So this past weekend, I was doing this research, right? and I was reading the books and I woke up on Saturday night at like 3:00 a.m. and I couldn't sleep and I just was like, I have so much to do on my to-do list. Like, I'm just going to keep reading Clara Miller's book and I just spent from 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. reading about the near possessions.

That is so spooky of you.

I Yes.

Maybe something has possessed you to be able to do that.

Salad fingers.

Salad fingers.

I do have puppets for my fingers, but I don't know that I can put them on. Do you want me to try to put them on? Yeah.

I got one with the cow. You want to put the cow on?

Yeah.

For both this episode and next episode.

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I have stories from and about the Hinsdale's house

cuz you can go visit it.

Greetings, ghostly girls. My name is Lindsay. You can use my name. I've been listening to your podcast for a couple years now and finally have a story to

listener story

write about. This is the first time I'm writing into a podcast, so hopefully it sounds okay. My encounter story is about the night that my husband and I along with some of his friends investigated the Hinsdale house in Hinsdale, New York.

Damn.

I'm not sure if you guys have covered this.

I like you, but I don't Do you like us?

Do you like them, Karin?

Do I am here?

We're leaving soon. Don't worry. Okay.

Okay. I'm not sure if you guys have covered this location at all. There's definitely some crazy activity going on here. So, now to the investigation. My husband and I have started doing paranormal investigations and when we can, we live stream them on his streaming platform to his followers on kick. We have two reod, digital voice recorders, night vision cameras, cat balls, flashlights, EMF detectors, and a

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spirit box.

All the things.

Mhm. Our best evidence was captured with the re pods and spirit box doing the Estus method and with the flashlights.

Cool.

We started in the living room just trying to see if there was anyone with us and seeing how they wanted to interact with us. They especially liked when one of the girls that was with us started dancing

and the re pod started going off like crazy, which was quite comical.

Wait, that's so fun.

My husband, this reminds me of when um someone had the like SLS

Mhm.

tech at the at one of our live shows and it showed like a spirit in the paint me like one of your French girls.

Oh, that was so good.

pose right in front of us. Yeah. My husband was the first to go under the Estus method and immediately we got the name David. We started to figure out that we were talking to one of the brothers that built the home. The night started out pretty calm, but eventually we got increasingly more aggressive interactions with the Esta's method. When another person in the group went under, they were getting words like, "Shut the [ __ ] up."

And at one point, it seemed like they

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were directly saying it to me.

As she was slightly turning her head towards me when she would talk.

Unfortunate.

That's so creepy. Throughout the investigation, we also had the Necrot Talker app on our phone, and we kept getting names of women, which was really unsettling. We also got a lot of words related to soldiers, war, and Native Americans as well. We had men come through on the spirit box talking about losing limbs, being shot, etc. Our best evidence came when we went upstairs, and we had our hour-long session with flashlights. We were talking to a woman who we suspected may have been murdered by David. We learned that there were multiple spirits here, a woman that had been killed and that they wanted to leave, but David would not let them leave.

Oh, I don't interesting. In my research, I didn't hear a single thing about a man named David.

It sounds like this is the family that like built the house.

Built the house. Yeah.

So,

damn.

Maybe he came back to try to be like, "Get it together, everyone."

Yeah.

We all felt so emotional during this conversation. And some of us had tears

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coming to our eyes. And while we were upstairs, we had left the re pod in front of the basement door. And the basement was said to be the creepiest spot in the house.

What happened to me? Absolutely.

When we went down there, we didn't sense anything. However, while we were upstairs, we did keep hearing that re pod down in the basement go off. So, I stupidly asked the woman that we were talking to if David was in the basement if he was able to come upstairs or if she could bring him up.

Next thing we know, the flashlight stops going off and you could feel that the presence had left. Then you hear the re pod at the basement door go off again. And then all of the sudden we get this wave of heat coming over us.

Got David upstairs.

Yeah.

No.

I asked if anyone else suddenly felt hot and everyone did. Now this home has no heat or AC. So it's impossible for the temperature to change that fast. We noticed a shift in the energy and the answers we started getting on the flashlights were a lot more negative. Now we basically were told to leave. My

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husband asked if we were talking to David now and it said yes. After several more questions, we discovered that David wanted my husband for reasons we couldn't figure out. Maybe he wanted power. Maybe he wanted him to help him

car.

Maybe he wanted him to help him get out of there.

Car.

Car. Oh, was he driving? Did your husband drive there?

Which there's a lot of car accidents and stuff.

Are you okay?

I don't know.

My husband is very sensitive and he has been told that he is a beacon for spirits, like a light that they see and they're attracted to. He's always experienced heightened activity when he goes to haunted locations and has even attracted some passing spirits to our home when we have these random occurrences, but they're on and off.

Damn.

Anyway, David wanted my husband and I was not having any of that.

I'm not sleeping next to a man that has a murderous ghost next to him. So, probably not.

We made sure to cleanse ourselves when we left and luckily no one had any lasting effects. Thanks. Love you girls, Lindsay.

Damn. Oh, and they sent a link to their actual investigation if anyone wants to

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Oh, like a YouTube video.

Watch it. Okay, let me tell you what the channel is so we can see.

That's another thing about this topic is you can watch so many investigations of the Hinsdale house because it is one of those places that so many people have have visited and done investigations at.

Okay. Uh her husband's channel's name is Cosmo06.

Perfect.

If anyone wants to watch the like full on

Yeah. If you can't get enough at the Hinsdale house between this episode and next week,

go consume all of the investigations you can because

well, dang.

There's a lot that awaits us.

Murder many attempted murders as it sounds like.

Yes, it's it is scary. Um, what happens to Beth I would say will say, is what scares me the most.

Oo, okay. So, we'll see you next week. BCHes. I tried to change it up.

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please email them to us at two girlsodcast@gmail.com. Email us any paranormal encounters you have. Join us on Patreon where we have episodes one week early and ad free plus bonus episodes.

I can hear you.

You can't hear me?

Can Oh, okay. Good. Great. That's that's the point. And next week, we're announcing some special on Patreon. We've got a new tier launching and even more awesome bonus content. So stay tuned. Check that out. Join us on Patreon.

Thank you Jamie for editing and producing our podcast. Thank you Emma for doing so many other things for our podcast.

Using our brain when we have only one cell and thank you to all of you. We love you.

We love you.

And we will see you on the other side.

I like it when the blood drips down. So does your mom.

Very spooky.