The Dead Nuns of Dudley Road | Why Are They Still Haunting Us? (Ep 255)

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very spooky hey hey should I turn on the rod okay let's try it again we'll see what happens just yelling at me okay hold on okay I don't know what happened to it it just wanted to sing a little Jingle the temperature thing was what was going crazy so I don't know if it was just cuz I was around it I don't know now I feel like we've a broken one now it's making

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me question all the times it's gone off well every time we turn it on it does crazy things exactly maybe it shouldn't sometimes because you have to zero it out is it zeroed out now or did you just turn it off cuz it wasn't working it's zeroed out okay okay this is two girls

Life updates and London plans

one ghost two girls one ghost I got this Karan mhm so my life right now is a little bit like the Cheesecake Factory menu I feel like you've promised yourself and me that you would live in London so I'm trying to hold you to it this year well I'm trying to hold myself to it too but truly The Avenues upon which I could Venture down are a plenty the choices I could make are endless endless and I prefer a menu with one option the menu I'm giving it to you the UK London I know so okay this is well this is why I'm wearing it I I

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understand that I an indecisive person that I have a lot of things going on in my life that are making it hard for me to make decisions so in an effort to persuade myself because it's something that I've talked about for years years years I've bought this sweatshirt from hyi and fit because it's so comfortable and my dad and his wife had a baby and they live in Lithuania and they want to see us over the summer so I was like oh like what if I spend the whole summer in the UK I have a book that I want to write I have a couple things that I want to work on you and I can record from anywhere we can figure it out and I found this like adorable Airbnb that I sent you Karen hold up you told me that by the new year you would have booked the Airbnb or planned your tentative dates that's what you told me my Rin had just hit and I was really feeling myself because it's January 3rd when we're recording this and what are the dates Sabrina when are you leaving well

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the I have to figure out when noom's birthday celebration is because her birthday is May 24th we're going to do a birthday celebration that is the last thing that I have before the summer technically so I could leave after her birthday from the east coast to the UK this is so exciting so send me your recommendations for small towns right outside of London because I really want to stay like I want to continue my Cottage lifestyle it's very fitting of me becoming a what about a castle would you accept a castle would love fully accept there are apartments in the Tower of London I wonder if there's I think you have to be a beef feeder to live there oh yeah I guess that's true maybe there's one that has a view of it are there any beef feeders looking to adopt a daughter who's 30 years old I feel like we have a lot of UK listeners so maybe now is a good time to ask what are the websites people use to find apartments and short-term rentals yes because what we think people use

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might be very different than what yeah please tell is Norm over there so help Sabrina find a place yeah one month two months three months well I don't have anything else until beginning of September so I would probably stay beginning of June to beginning of September perfect that sounds great oh what a life you'll live this will be so exciting I feel like you're going to become the Raven girl like you're just going to have a flock of ravens that follow you around spooky gloomy London you're going to make the news that's how people will know you're there find the girl with the Ravens or she'll find you American moves to UK becomes obsessed with Ravens oh and crows I I'm currently obsessed with crows I'm open to Ravens don't know them yet haven't been able to form an opinion they're kind of hard to find they're not as plentiful as the I almost said it's the cows as the crows um okay so just a couple of

Patreon updates and book club

updates for the year happy 2024 everyone

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this is now the third episode of the year but it's the first episode K and I are recording in 2024 so hey Ken Happy New Year I love you Happy New Year I love you and we have some updates patreon we have one tier now we we kind of did a whole patreon refresh we wanted to give all of you as much as possible for as little as possible so for $5 a month you get access to all episodes a week early ad free both video and audio you get one bonus episode every month you get live a full length episode it's like our normal podcast it's not some special no oneoff thing it is just an episode of our podcast that only exists on patreon yeah you get bonus live streams you get to chat with us directly we have book club campfire stories every Tuesday for $5 a month that's it that is it yeah you get all of it there's one tier we're just making it simple and we're really excited and then we can bring everyone together cuz we have a

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really big community and everyone is so friendly and kind and loves each other and so we're like why do we have all these like separate groups let's just bring everyone together because that's I think people know each other they want to be together and it just seemed to make the most sense we are one and also for book club just for everyone to know the next book club will be in a couple months so if you join patreon you're plenty ahead right now but we're reading a court of thorns and roses and I had dreams about fairy last night because I was reading it were they sexy dreams no no no I haven't reached the sexy part yet I'm like I'm in chapter 5 so I was just introduced to the Fay but no my dream I don't know what it was it was weird but kind of fun and hard to process but basically I had to break into a laboratory in Mexico and whoa International I did it successfully my

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mother helped me thanks Mom wow Aurora look at you if anyone were to break in somewhere it would for sure be my mother and then there was like this weird after hours thing where people shrunk themselves down and they had to go into a fish tank to compete and there were Fay in there and if you caught the Fay in the fish tank you got extra points and then at the end I don't even know who won or how it was like I think like you wanted to win and you would be graduated to a higher power level I don't know should you start writing sci-fi cuz I feel like this sounds incredible okay sure this kind of sounds like an episode of the Mandalorian but make it Fay I think it might have been influenced a little bit by I watched the

Entertainment and lifestyle

new Hunger Games movie oh is it good I I haven't watched it everyone is talking about it but I just feel like I'm going to have a negative reaction because I feel some sort of attachment to the original cast in the book series it's different enough that I actually like I

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really did like it I didn't read the book and I heard that people who read the book were like oh it didn't really get everything which obviously that's hard to do but I liked it I enjoyed it I had a fun time okay maybe I'll give it a shot I don't know I just started Reacher which if anyone has watched Jack Ryan it's very in the same vein so it's kind of like you know exmilitary goes and it's like private investigator and beating people up sort of show I like those show need to watch murder at the end of the world oh yes you told me that you said you stayed up until like 2: a.m. watching I truly like cancelled my workout and stayed up till 3:00 a.m. watching it because it was so good I was like oh I'm going to put something on to fall asleep too it's Britt Marling same woman who wrote OA she's in it a it is incredible just give her a whole network why are we just giving her individual shows every few years give that woman a whole network because I freaking love all of the stuff she does and by all the stuff I've only seen the o but sounds like her next Project's awesome you

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would like it a lot and I think that what I like is that I think it's a limited series and I really like that she is creating like good pieces of work rather than just like creating to create and get a paycheck you know well I'll watch that probably very shortly because after being we almost were like kicked out of our own house for the holidays for like 2 weeks because of our ongoing home projects and like when your floors get refinished you can't walk on them whatever so we were with both of our families for a very long amount of time and so I told Brian earlier I said I need alone time we also live together so I'm just going to be like busying myself for the next few days and like putzing around and doing things but I need to just be able to do whatever I want so I was like if you want to join me in what I plan that's fine but I'm not taking suggestions for other activities I love that so I'll watch it that sounds like something I would like I'm really proud of you for taking care of yourself and

Friendship and childhood relics

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putting yourself first Karan my middle name is boundaries My Invisible middle name is boundaries and it's invisible because my ability to have boundaries don't exist ah man let's take a step back here I say my middle name is boundaries but I also lack certain self-preservation when it comes to social settings and so maybe I set boundaries well because I or I think I do because I don't have as strong of a filter as maybe I should so there's also that side whereas maybe you're thinking more about how people are going to like perceive you and the situation and you're reading the room better maybe than I am who just is like I don't care this is how I feel I'm going to bulldoze into this moment and express myself I think the lesson here is that no one's perfect and I admire you and I'm glad that I have a friend

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like you in my life because I don't want people who are just like me in my life and you teach me a lot and help me grow and give me things to Aspire to be so thank you K wow thanks Sabrina I mean I think that's what's special about our friendship I just love you our friendship and maybe ghost is like the perfect combo of the two of us maybe ghost is our baby we'd have a cute baby hi we're big fans we love so many things about you that we love about ourselves well speaking about loving ourselves we last year in an encounters episode oh that's Leia Leia caused that okay Leia cat well Leia gets the chair now REM pod gets the bookshelf go on that's yours please everything is yours last year we were talking about a paper that you had written in high school that was or middle school or something that was so incredible and then we got the idea to I

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know you made me think about it a lot and I was like maybe I will write this into an actual book a fun project to do I relistened to that episode yesterday and I was like oh my God you actually really need to I really liked it but we had the idea to find old journals old pieces of writing while we were home for the holidays and yeah you found one didn't you I found a couple you had the suggestion well maybe should I read it on the next episode or should I read it just like on patreon or something thing

Childhood memories and acting

because here's the thing I am like an anti- hoarder I go through my stuff almost every single time I'm home and so because of that I have almost no belongings left like relics of childhood writing could not find that paper my mom was like oh I remember that paper my dad was involved we were raging through bins could not find anything but I'll give a little you a teaser little teaser oh I found my first grade Journal that we kept in school and so we wouldd have to like each week you you would have like a writing prompt so I found the journal so I only have

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you know a small amount of writing I was in first grade but then we found a newspaper clipping that I think my dad had found it oh yeah he did remember I said that one of my friends when she had slept over in elementary school or middle school she woke up hearing people talking outside my door well it's in the newspap years later when she was in high school she wrote about her haunted sleepover at my house and it made the newspaper my parents saw it and they cut it out and saved it stop so I have a newspaper clipping written by someone else and I have my first Gren journal and that's it that's amazing oh my God I cannot wait I have okay these are the goodies this is my collection that I found oh that's a good amount of stuff but my teaser is going to be my head shots from

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Sabrina oh look at how cute and then wait I didn't realize you had actual head shots done when you were little you have to frame these do I look the same are so good they're silly look at my big gap tooth I like the Gap you look more like your mom with The Gap that's so funny I look like a baby I'm so small in these so were you auditioning in like New York City or something no oh my gosh no this was like I did a theater camp and oh as part of it they did head shot I thought we were uncovering some like extra hidden acting side that we'd never heard about no that was I think when I played lafina and all I did was laugh oh lafina we remember her and then I do have like my journal that we wrote so in a play we did Prince and the popper at I think it was like the red the Little Red Schoolhouse Playhouse something like that we like created a journal and in

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like backstage people like wrote in it and so not all of these are mine but I believe I started it oh I wrote a poem and it signed Sabrina PS I suck at poems oh my God this is disturbing oh how do do you want to read it no we'll we'll read it eventually on a different episode now roses are yellow because you peed is this poem directed at someone I think so ew okay this is like I'm concern I might need to read this to my therapist well eventually you guys will get all the readings and the Disturbed passages from our minds I do have a paper or two too that I could read I cannot wait see the pr oh do you have your old monologues remember you used to write monolog LS and I like did

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them in college I do in acting class I do have those we should find the one that you gave me that I'm never having sex again that one yes yes yeah it was freshman year and I was in the it was like the voice class remember where the woman the teacher she like kind of spoke with almost a British accent but she was from America yes she like recorded you in the beginning and in the end to see how your voice changed over the semester yeah yeah I feel like mine didn't mine mine did not either like what what's one hour a week G to do no nothing we would have had to fake get having accents to really succeed in that class I think yeah okay well I'm getting old so I'm going to read my research off of my phone CU I need much bigger font today you're turning it sideways too I'm turning I can zoom in my God I need glasses but I refuse

Introduction to Dudley Road

okay so I picked I I feel like I didn't

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even pick this this topic came up in campfire stories Jess or Jessica she had told us about this really haunted road in Massachusetts and then it felt so serendipitous because then a couple weeks or a couple months later there was someone like a contractor at my house and he was talking about how his mom and I think him like I think his childhood home was right by this road which is called Dudley Road and so I literally wrote like have to cover Dudley Road and also tell the story about the contractor I don't remember what the story I remember he said his house was active his mom had a lot of experiences and when he was in high school they would go to the road like the teenage thing and try to experience things but I cannot remember any details of what actually happened I remember we were in Seattle and you told me one story from

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one of your contractors and you're like well I can't tell you the other one because I'm going to tell you on the podcast I don't remember the one that I didn't repeat the one that I told you was that he and his wife had recently suffered a pregnancy loss and that he then went to a psychic not for that but just like out of curiosity and something for fun like he and a couple friends did it and the psychic basically already somehow knew everything that had happened and had told told him that they were pregnant again actively with a little girl and they did not know at the time that they were pregnant and then fast forward a few months and they had a little girl that's really so that's the one I told you but I don't remember the one about deadly Road well you got to find that contractor again be like hey buddy I need your story again yeah oops my bad oops this is why you write down everything in your journals and we two girls one ghost serves says you're the everyone who's listening your Journal

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yeah well I've started doing it in the notes of my phone but it's been so unhelpful because I don't write good notes I'll write contractor Dudley Road ghost mom haunting like I'll be like oh I'll remember exactly what that means oh man despite it being just a few months ago I don't remember anything that man told me so we're going to experience all that we learn about deadly Road together because it's basically like it's my first time here about it great all forgotten okay so Dudley Road it's in Bill R Massachusetts I've never been to Bill R but I certainly walked Dudley Road on Google Earth and on my virtual Journey down the road the road isn't very long either but it's super beautiful like I was looking at it and I was like oh Sabrina we would have this is like the perfect Road for you and I to just like walk on and come up with ideas and it's so beautiful there's like part of the the majority of the road is is kind of like an old dirt road

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gravel like old pavement sort of thing and there's a canopy of like overgrown old trees there's a graveyard at the top of the road and there's these Old Colonial houses there's horse farms and other Farms it's oh it was so beautiful so many houses have the rock walls too tell me people travel back in time on this road I wish no oh it's not as exciting as that maybe we went we would I don't know what we'd be really traveling back to though I don't think much was going on for a long time it's rural is as a road but there's hiking trails there's a quaint little stream and then as the road gets to the newer section it turns into a still pretty narrow like double yellow two-lane road and then there's some neighborhoods and whatnot but smack dab in the middle before it turns into that two-lane road there is it's like I keep

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wanting to call it a Convent it's not a Convent it's the saint FAS Retreat Center run by the daughters of St Paul but when you look at it online it looks exactly like a Convent there's the church there's a whole entire Convent looking place it looks like that I don't know if it ever operated more as a Nery but apparently now businesses can take Retreats there which actually sounds really lovely cuz it's so quiet there oh and when I was looking on Google Earth people definitely ride their horses down this road because you could see little horse hoofprints in the mud alongside the road I was like oh this is so quain you I love road while I've been saying I need to go live in London for so long you I feel like crave the Wilderness and a cottage in the woods I'm partially there yeah I do crave the Wilderness I just really Vibe with New England and it's quaintness yeah and I live here

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permanently and Brian and I did our compromise where we are close to civilization but if I drive five minutes I don't see humans so there you go it's perfect it's great so this place just

Haunted nun legends

apparently just has company Retreats but I am curious if this place and it's existing here on Dudley Road has anything to do with the Legends surrounding dudly road because they are a bunch and they all involve hauntings and the majority of them involve nuns haunted nuns oh crazy okay so one of the Legends states that a nun was walking this is actually very sad she was walking home from the convent one night and she got a little bit turned around and she was lost and there's also like no street lights on this road it's so dark and when this was taking place I'm sure there were also no street lights back in the day and so she was walking alongside the road and a car came up and this is a very narrow road and so this person must have been speeding or just like didn't see her in her all black habit and hit her struck

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her her body was flung into the tree line and like a giant tree that was right there she hit it and basically like on impact within a second she was dead so she didn't suffer at all which is good because she basically died upon impact but it's really really horrific that that happened jeez and so because she died so quickly and because it was this sudden tragic death it's thought that she's still very confused about what happened and is still a little bit lost and trying to find her way home to the convent because people have spotted her her astral form her soul her ghost and she is hanging out often times underneath that tree which is very sad that like the place that she lost her life is where she's spending most of her time and then she'll also wander around on the road and flag people down so people pulled over for her like for a

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nun in the middle of Dudley road that makes me S I don't know it's like I wish it was just a residual haunting but the activeness of trying to fly people down I'm curious I don't think she's ever gotten in the car with anyone like she's not a hitchhiking ghost she asks for directions back to the convent I wonder if she's also trying to get people to slow down maybe maybe it's also said and I saw like one photo online and I was like maybe this is just an optical illusion or like our faces trying to make patterns of something that naturally occurs but people say that if you go and you if you know where you're going and you know where she died and you take a picture of that tree in the picture often times people will capture what looks like a human face like in the bark of the tree oh which reminds me of Jean Le's blacksmith shop bar in the face in the fireplace a little bit there's also what is that school I think you covered it but there's like a stain in the paint of a face yes my God I

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don't know so many buildings on that college were haunted I can't remember what it is but yeah or even you covered the uh memory in Hawaii P oh in the volcanoes yeah yeah in the lava so it's hard to know like what's real and what's just our our brains our brains making pattern recognition but it's very sad that this woman if it's true as the legend goes that she lost her life and is now wandering around there's another Legend involving a nun and Dudley Road also let me back up there's no record of there actually being a Convent here so wait but all of the theories are around nuns and what people think is the convent now is just simply a retreat run by a religious group whoa so where did the nuns come from there must be some either there's objects in this Retreat House that are haunted or yeah oh that's

Dark lore and theories

a good idea interesting Theory or

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there's records that are missing of like some that happened in that area with nuns I don't know right CU it's so bizarre that almost all of these theories surround nuns and like people are seeing nuns it's not just like a rumor you know there's a lot of people who encounter the Paranormal and I believe people when they say that they saw something yeah huh well there's another nun and apparently this nun she had an fair with a priest and I I'm pretty sure we heard about this I feel like people have emailed us about this specific one because when I read about this I started panic and I was like have we ever covered Dudley Road and I think it's because other people have talked about this but there's a legend from Dudley road that there was a nun who had an affair with a priest and their relationship it resulted in a pregnancy and she was very distraught she was very ashamed because everything that was how she was raised and what she chose to do as a nun like this one went against that and so she had crippling embarrassment

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and self-hatred in this moment and so she decided to end oh feeling that way and end her life by going outside to this tree and she hanged herself on the tree and it resulted in her death the same tree I think it's a different tree oh okay I mean we've definitely heard that type of story many times before I think also if you look back at history a lot of women were sent to be nuns if they were deemed like misbehaved women like there is a lot of backstory of like women who became nuns were not necessarily like women who wanted to live that lifestyle but were sent to go live that lifestyle as a form of like Exile or punishment did you ever go to a nunery did you ever go to a monastery like was I sent to one to become a nun well no no like we had a field trip in CCD where they drove us in a bus like two hours to go see a monastery no no but I definitely think in a past life I

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would have been one of those women who was sent there actually if I lived my current life I for sure would have been all of us would be I think we're Sinners oh this made me think of this is a side tangent but I just watched the new Indiana Jones movie that came out last year it was really good but there's an element of like time and time travel in this ohie okay so it's super interesting that's what made me think of it oh I was like where's the connection but now I'm here okay I got it okay so this woman she died and her spirit Still Remains by this tree which makes me so sad because everything she did it was to try to stop the suffering she was feeling in her life but it just continued on in the afterlife and she's often seen hanging out like in this field surrounding this tree right by where the nunery or the monastery supposedly was and ALS also trees which this is such a weird way to

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say it I was like trees are a hot spot on Dudley Road the whole place is covered in Forest so it makes sense that there's always a tree nearby but I you know what I do like though is that like the trees hold the memory like it's almost like yeah what if there's just so much energy coming from the trees that it's not actually the active Spirit but it's like the embodiment of that energy given off by the trees I feel like that like a very woowoo statement but I'm just trying to come up with a way that it's not as sad you're attaching residual a residual haunting to a tree yeah but it is interesting what if trees dream and sometimes we can visibly see the trees dreams and it was a very traumatic experience for the trees to oh

The nature of hauntings

see what they saw and so we're actually watching them have nightmares I love that and I feel like that is going we we should put that in our sci-fi book okay the trees blocking it which means

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Sabrina you need to remember cuz I'm not going to remember okay I'll remember that one that's a fascinating Theory when trees dream moving away from the nuns for a second on Dudley Road also next to a tree there's this man who looks like he's kind of in Farmer or like old agricultural gear and no one knows who he is or why he's there or what his intentions are but he'll stand there and he's on the road basically next to a Trey and he's like facing the road and people will pass by him and you can never see his face so the rest of him will be completely clear like people's high beams on their car will be on him and no matter how illuminated he is he looks completely solid and detailed but his face remains covered and shadowed interesting which part of me was like did he have sort of like a traumatic death because sometimes we hear that people don't show their faces if they suffered something gruesome and if he worked on the farm you can only

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imagine how much like different farm equipment and stuff there's a lot of accidents that could happen H but then I was also wondering if maybe his face being covered and never shown is a way to represent like the shame he has about who he is and what he did in his life you're going sad and dark today inspired by your journals that we haven't read yet oh my gosh oh and this is another very dark thing that happened well quote unquote happened for everything in this episode because again it's Legend but there is also a legend that an inmate escaped from a mental facility and ran into the forest and in traversing The Forest all the captors were left in the dust and this person this eskee this prisoner he came across the monastery in his journey through the woods and he entered it and instead of seeking Asylum or trying trying to not raise any attention to himself he took it upon

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himself given the opportunity he had to attack as many nuns as he could like brutal attacks and it resulted in a bunch of deaths of these nuns it's so fascinating how there's no history of there ever being a monastery but there's so many stories regarding it which makes me think that a lot of these are more urban legend which I'd prefer I'd hope yeah me too curious when it started too because if it started around the same time like Orly if the story started around the same time that this retreat was built this like meeting house that looks like a monastery that would make sense that people would you know tell their kids spooky tail or whatever and then it would just evolve throughout the decades and then it brings up like the bigger question of like can you create a haunting like yes this place probably has just historically like land a lot of things happen on it we don't necessarily know what happened here but like can you

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share enough stories enough Legends can they be passed around enough that they almost become true that they're not really true true in the sense of like okay yeah that happened but that the energy there that everyone has put upon it manifests and builds the haunting

Folklore and idioms

that's interesting because partially the answer is yes because we know that Greg and Dana nuker they had a painting of Greg commissioned and then at their live shows people were helping to contribute to haunting this painting and so they were creating a haunted object from other people's energy but is that just a compilation of different energies and you don't know actually what's going to happen it's different than saying there have never been nuns here and suddenly we're just going to summon a bunch of people inhabits that like wander the road here in spectral form like to create an actual character instead of a feeling I

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mean the power of the human mind there's so much that we don't understand yeah that I believe we could create a haunting like if enough people all started thinking that there was a ghost cat in my house and we all started talking about the ghost cat and came up with these Legends of ghost cat in my place I fully believe I would start to see the ghost cat well here's a question did we not already do that with Sven that's true okay proof we have no idea if Spen already existed before we assigned a ghost to this podcast there we go proof proof where does the phrase proof is in the pudding come from that's an interesting question I'll look it up as you continue to share stories about haunting onad also really quick anecdote we went to Brian's for Christmas and his mom is Danish and so they do Danish Christmas and have different Danish traditions and one of the Traditions is you eat pudding until someone finds the

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nut hidden in the pudding I didn't find the nut I was sad but it was very exciting to play wait that's fun how I feel like I'd be scared to eat the nut why like if you're eating pudding it's just an almond it's like hidden what if what if you swallow it I guess you wouldn't I don't know you can you can eat it it's a small enough nut but I mean like without like being able to like accidentally without knowing that you found it people well at least here we were all you're looking for it so like you're feeling around in your mouth CU you want to win the prize cuz there's a prize okay it comes from an older expression that is a bit clearer it used to be the proof of the pudding is in the eating meaning that things must be judged by trying them yourself or seeing them in action rather than on other factors but now it's just evolved into the proof is in the pudding I like it I like all those silly little idioms and sayings I like the origins yeah all right so now there's

Satanist nuns and architecture

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another Legend surrounding nuns and this is probably the most popular legend that people tell and it goes back to the 19th century it is said that there truly was a Convent here and that in this convent there were a large number of nuns who were here but then there was a small group of nuns that deviated from the beliefs and the Norms associated with being a nun in that Convent and so this group of nuns they would sneak out in the middle of the night and they would wander through the woods and down Dudley road to this abandoned building and they would go into the abandoned building and they would meet and they would worship so you're like okay well why is it so bad that there are these devout women who are all Gathering and they have to gather in this secrecy just to worship and basically have like a study group together it is because because they were not worshiping God they were worshiping

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Satan I knew this was going to like some Satan witchcraft thing and I love it of course of course they needed a place to do all their rituals to have their black mask of course and what better place than an abandoned building in the darkness on a desolate dirt road deadly Road they apparently gathered undiscovered for a very long time not a very long time but they had significant amount of meetings but then people caught wind like the locals were like did you know that there's a group of people using that house like I've seen lights and stuff inside the house I've seen like torches and lanterns and movement inside of the house and it's supposed to be abandoned and so then everyone starts whispering in the town and then the rumor starts that like oh it's the nuns who are going in there so of course the curiosity's peaked right cuz everyone's like why the hell are the nuns gathering in an abandoned building in the middle of the night so they do

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some spying and that's when the nuns are figured out they're revealed for being satanists Satan worshippers and so the locals obviously are pissed and scared and don't like them and so they basically gathered all the nuns this group of nuns together to confront them about it and in their conversation and their decision making these locals decide well basically the same fate that the witches had the nuns will now have because they are Satan's nuns now they don't belong to our world or to god it feels very Salem which trials very but it's like 200 years in the future yeah CU this is the late well it didn't say late 19th century it just said 19th century so maybe it was only like a hundred years later who knows anyway the nuns catch wind or like deduce what's about to happen to them and so they get together and they're running out of the convent AC cross the street through a field basically trying to escape and

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they're captured and right there in the field is this large tree and they're all one by one hanged and executed it is so fascinating to me because it's like I would love to be able and there are people like this is their job where they take a story and and a legend and they truly are able to trace back through documents through talking to people the origin of it and like what inspired it and what was influencing that story at that time and yeah I'm just curious was it like oh a group of women hanging out must be witchcraft or what is it I have no idea and that's a really good question and Kathy meager she is the bill RKA Public Library's local history specialist and I don't know if she's done any work to try to figure out how this started in the actual like oral history of it but she does a lot of work to debunk these theories and clear the air so I don't

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know if it's like a fact finding Mission or if it's simply just being like that's Hocus Pocus stop trespassing on people's land there was never a Convent here right I'm not sure I feel like this should be a rule you have to also discover how it started not just why it's not true well I do like knowing it's not true because it gives me relief cuz there's already so many horrific things that happen to people in the world that like one less true thing is great the way you said true thing so quickly it sounded like one less Tru thing Tru thing yeah A TRU thing okay so these women they were killed but it didn't stop them from Haunting and worshiping who they wanted to because they are still seen gathered in this field below the tree wandering around walking up and down the road they're still very much there and apparently the building where these sisters gathered

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still exists it's still abandoned and it is sinking into the ground and the only thing that's visible now from the house is the second story and up and so people joke that the house is being summoned just like all the nuns just like that group of sisters into the depths of hell wow love that yeah although I will say I did walk on Google Earth and I turned and I looked at every single building and I didn't see it so I don't know where it is maybe someone in Bill R will know it's in another realm in another realm maybe there is time travel and it's like you see it when you see it when there's a glitch when there's a portal but otherwise you don't yeah I mean it's very possible that all of this happened like what if it's like partially the Mandela effect like it did happen in another timeline and it's kind of bleeding into ours yeah let me try to

Mandela effect and reality

find give credit where credits to there is a woman on Tik Tok her name is Nicole but her screen name is dime lifting and

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she has been on a hunt to figure out basically the Mandela effect and disprove to the company saying we never had a cornucopia in our fruit of aloom logo the guy on Monopoly never had a monocle and she's basically doing all of the digging and research to figure out how we ever thought that and she proved both the Monopoly man did have a monacle it was on the $2 bill of the 1996 version of the board game she found it but that's one version like the fact that everyone remembers that like that is okay at least it exists it does exist and then also maybe maybe if we think about it the people that are talking about the Mandela effect the most are probably the people that have used the internet for the longest which would be Millennials who played the board game in 1996 sure you know like that was we all H Monopoly when we were little she did find the Fruit of the Loom Cornucopia

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someone had sent her was going through like their old clothes and found t-shirts with the Cornucopia on the label and she messages all the different companies and she's like explain this like why are you trying to Gaslight us this did exist okay but it's hard because that one like at least the $2 bill one I feel like can be proven time and time again whereas one person sending her shirts with it it's like they could have made it you know true I know it's hard but I appreciate her trying yeah wow that's fascinating also from this abandoned building people have reported really odd and foul odors but they didn't describe the odors so I'm like is it sulfuric odor you know like uh associated with a demon and hell because I would assume that it's not just a smell of manure and Farms given that people who are passing through here I think are used to that and there's a

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bunch on the road who knows but people also report strange sounds emanating from the building which is apparently still abandoned and there's also no clear directions or address online so if you're from the area and you know where the trees are where the building is just for the Curiosity of me on Google Earth and me who lives in Massachusetts and could probably just drive down the Road in passing let me know where they are is our listener Jess from that area good question I don't know should we next time I'm out there hit up Jess and be like hey let's meet at dble Road Show us the spots we're coming to Bill we're coming in like I was saying before there is the historian Kathy who is working to debunk a lot of these theories and it seems online from what I could read cuz obviously I haven't been there and actually spoken to the people that live there but it does well I guess but my contractor I did talk to him he was a local it does feel like there's a big divide between

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people who believe in The Legend and the lore and people who are like that is total it's completely made up however the legend has existed for a really long time like people and by a really long time I mean there are adults who remember their parents telling them this Legend many decades ago so whether it's 50 years old or 200 years old I don't know but it is interesting because it's like we have Kathy here who's saying there's never been a Convent here there's no history of anyone dying on this road in the ways that were described there was no prisoner who escaped and had committed mass murder on this road you know like there's no records of any of that existing and yet there are so many people who have stories from this road so it's kind of like what you were saying Saina like did we humans in our brains conjure the SE ity ourselves or how else do you explain it is it like a Mandela effect thing or

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a Time glitch or something like yeah right like maybe it is just another timeline where all of this stuff is happening yeah and our version of the timeline okay now I'm thinking of everything everywhere all at once where it's like here's your little timeline there's a Convent and everything goes well in the convent life is good and then it starts to like go further out and further out in the convent then there's a murderer and then the convent there's a killer someone dies by Suicide and like all those things and as the web continues the convent isn't a Convent anymore it's now just another religious retreat like I feel like we're just so far away we're like deep into the web yeah but we get glimpses of the other timelines yeah I don't know what is life

Strange phenomena and warnings

wait there's a movie called dream scenario with Nicholas Cage in it and he basically is just like kind of Average Joe nobody who is a 10e professor and like truly like not much going on in his life and all of a sudden he starts showing up in everyone's dreams I saw a clip of this I think I

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saw like the preview or something trailer you probably have it's super fascinating and it's just like a weird like phenomena that happens and I would love for you to watch it so I could talk about because I don't want to ruin anything about it but yeah kind of reminds me of this a little bit okay I got to remember this one too my grandma actually was just saying she was like where do all the people from our dreams come from she's like I swear I don't see these people I've never seen these people before I've heard a thing where it's like you can't create someone new like your subconscious is like sorting through people you've passed on the streets maybe that's true but like there are some people where I'm like they're so prominent in my dream and they're so clear to me that I'm like if I saw this person on the street I would have to stop and be like I know you yeah I don't I don't know I don't get it me neither my brains are weird when we all fall asleep where do we go Billy eyelash there's other odd things that happen on this road so the Legends are basically I've gone through all of them

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and all of the apparitions people see but there's still some odd things like people see strange anomalies in the field like lights going and moving above the field which I'm like aliens people will hear sudden screams just emanating from the woods or down the road that's terrifying also driving down the road I think the majority of the stuff happens at night but people will see someone like a full body operation looks like a person just kind of darting or walking AC cross the road right in front of their car which is very scary that reminds me of the nun who sadly died getting hit by a car yeah yeah I'm curious if this person is in a habit or if they're identified as looking like a woman or if they're just like these weird shadowy looks like a person in a second sort of sightings but that part freaked me out cuz it did remind me of in high school I had a friend Maya who I've told you this before who she was in the car with her boyfriend and they were driving down one of the rural roads I think it was like in Charlotte Vermont or something and a woman walked out in

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the middle of the road in front of them and it was so quick and so sudden my listener story is like this they hit her but there was no one there she went through the car so terrifying oh so creepy hate that anywh who Dudley Road in Bill R Massachusetts is most certainly haunted how it's haunted we don't know but it is discouraged for people to go wander down there because it's a residential street there's some businesses there in terms of the Farms operating and they've had a big issue with vandals and trespassing and there's been a substantial amount of money actually spent to try to restore some of the damages that were created by people especially around Halloween time that go to try to ghost hunt or get a good scare so enjoy the story enjoy the Legends but unless you have real purpose to go or you're simply just driving down the road don't get out of your car and start trespassing on people's property looking

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for ghosts I think that's a rule to follow generally don't trespass to find ghosts all you have to do is listen to our podcast and the ghosts will find you they will remod this was your moment

Listener story: Haunted road

hello quiet hello crickets quiet I have throughout this episode experienced a lot of like waves of chill but it's interesting because that has not gone off so the temperature in the room hasn't changed which then is like interesting to me like why why does our body do that bad circulation whoops just getting used to the temperature in the room like I'm now freezing I was so hot in the beginning yeah our heart rate slows lack of movement hibernation yes our muscles are uh atrophying just like little reptilians this makes me want to read the book that I had downloaded on audible years ago and still haven't listened which is stiff it's all about

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what happens to your body when you die oh oh I want to read this too going through rigor Morse all the different things and decomposition and sounds interesting that is interesting to me I mean anything about the human body and like what happens to us when we die I think is fascinating I would love to do a science experiment where someone who's dying I think I've talked about this with you before where it's like a sealed chamber but it's like someone's about to die so like we're not killing anyone they take their last breath they die in this chamber I want to understand scientifically what that energy does and study it where the energy goes if we can trap the energy inside of the container in this yeah I don't know what type of equipment I'm clearly not a scientist so my words are going to be wrong but I'm thinking of like a very heavy duty chamber I have two ghost stories from our listeners great wait what's your new

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background I mean your phone case my phone case says never better it's a little skeleton it's never better okay the first one I will read is from our listener Savannah they're both shorter this one is terrifying the next one is a little bit nicer okay this is called Haunted Road in Washington demonic question mark oh hi ladies I was driving home on a short little back road that connected a main road to a neighborhood there are a few houses along it and no street lights it was just after midnight the road is about A4 mile long and runs straight from when you turn onto it to when you turn into the neighborhood I was midway down the road when I saw a person getting ready to cross in front of my car so I stopped and as the person crossed in front of me I could see that they looked like a normal 20 to 30 30 Something year- Old Woman except for her eyes her eyes reflected the light of my

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headlights in the way that a nocturnal animals would shining yellow a white light oh God and she stared at me the entire time she walked so slowly across the street oh no this is so scary even though you're in a car it's still terrifying yeah at the time my headlights weren't super bright and there's also the fact that human eyes don't reflect light that same way I didn't look to where she went when she got to the sidewalk on the other side I pressed on the gas and I was like I need to get home and away from there as fast as I can because I had the worst sense of dread and panic another time that we were on that same road my boyfriend and I both heard a disembodied voice we had a familiar CD playing softly and it was the middle of a bright sunny day and it sounded like it came from between the two of us in the car it was unintelligible but it was very deep and

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distorted and sounded like a demon from a horror movie that's so weird we both heard it neither of us could find an explanation none of the windows are down and the street was empty I still use the road on occasion because it's a good shortcut but I can't not think about this stuff when I do thanks for reading hope it was spooky

Listener story and conclusion

enough of course it was Savannah wait this just triggered a memory from like 4 days ago where in my parents house it sounded like Siri's voice but none of us had our phones where like the audio was coming from my dad was talking and telling a story and the seat like two seats next to him by the island we just heard like a loud audible right that's weird or or it was something like that it was like true it was like an agree an agreement to what he was saying and all of us stopped and I was like Dad your phone series on he's like no it's not and I was like take your phone out of your pocket and his phone was locked like everybody's phones were either out of the room Siri wasn't turned on like

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nothing and so I just got freaked out and I was like I don't want to talk about this anymore someone got really excited about whatever you guys were talking about was like yes better than what happened here where it's like this deep creepy demon in between the seats terrifying that road just seems creepy oh oh yes I want to know where it is I should have follow up me too I was just thinking that but both of these emails by the way are from 2019 okay so this other story is from our listener Jess and it's called a haunted road SL I must have a guardian angel I love you girls in this podcast so much I've been back and forth about sending the story in but I just listened to episode 41 Satan's sedan and figured that was a sign so here we go almost 2 years ago I got my postgrad big girl job it was very exciting but it also came with a 50 plus mile commute each way M I have to take a bunch of back roads to get there and about a year and a half ago I was driving to my 600

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a.m. shift running late I was speeding on back roads when I ran over a literal puddle hydroplaned veered off into a small hill on the side of the road and flipped my car two to three times oh my gosh my car landed on its roof and I was hanging upside down by my seat Bel my first thought was oh my gosh I need to find my phone and call work and then tell my mom the fact that her first thought the horrors of what an accident like that are just like almost going into shock will do you're like let me call my boss and it's like you're upside down in your car call 911 I usually drive with my phone on my passenger seat so I figured it was probably long gone but then I look around and I see it had landed right in front of my face the passenger's window shattered and there was just enough room for me to fit so I crawled out of the car called called work and my mom the neighbors called the cops etc etc the fire department got

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there before the cops did and they started cleaning up the debris because I have such a long commute my car could get pretty messy the first thing the firefighter gave to me was a journal that my sister got for me and on the journal it said it's going to be okay like on the front of the cover oh I eventually went to the hospital and didn't sustain any injuries to everyone's surprise a few days later my mom and I to go clean out the car and saw that it was now upright we could now see all of the damage the passenger side was totally crushed in but the driver's side looked untouched if the car had landed any other way I could have easily broken my neck or something I just think I must have a guardian angel looking out for me I mean the journal the phone and the way the car was damaged could they all just be coincidences I have a theory that it could have been one of my paternal grandparents because my grandmother never drove she was terrified of it my grandfather died when

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he had a heart attack while driving which caused him to crash into the wall so maybe it was him protecting me yeah a month later I was driving to work in my new car well under the speed limit don't worry and I saw a car driving the other way hydroplaned clipped my car we both spun out and I hit the car behind me all three cars were total all of my curtain airbags went off on impact and one burned and imprinted foot into my leg when I called my mom after I asked someone nearby what road we were on it was the same road as my previous accident I now refuse to drive that road stop I hate this cuz this feels kind of like it's a cursed road too like you have this is the exact spot that like all good and all evil can happen to you yeah and similar incident like someone else hydroplaned off from water yeah yeah Jess said I now have added 10 minutes to my commute to avoid that road altogether I'd rather that than total

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another car on that road or worse thanks for reading stay spooky and keep up the great work Jess wow I'm glad that Jess is associating the road as being the problem and is not letting the anxiety prevent them from just fully driving you know because I feel like that's quite possible too a second almost deadly car accident two cars total on that road yeah definitely don't ever drive down that road again no I would never never it does seem like it's a really long road because she in like a side note said that like the road was in a different County so like it stretches counties that like it has a different name so she was in different counties for both of her accidents but it's the exact same road oh wow so not even in the same spot it's just the same road which means it's a long road like yeah that's very scary it's also like is this road neglected like should these counties be pumping more money into

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better drainage and stuff I don't know I like that you have the Practical thoughts there and I'm like well no one should ever drive that road again it should be closed off completely oh wait Sabrina I have something very important to tell you what and this is something I also learned on the internet but it affects you because you hate spiders oh I what are you going to tell me that's going to terrify me to D never drive again what no no no it's not about driving okay so you use the sold deero spray the yellow bottle right sometimes okay apparently they have a new scent and it's like a light blue container and people are returning them because there's something in it some ingredient that has been acting like phermones to spiders and people who are wearing it are being stocked by spiders chased by spiders people are freaking out so wanted to warn you just in case you were like oh let me get this little tester of this other scent I haven't tried don't no that's

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horrifying yes many things to fear in the world besides ghosts so many things wow okay well everyone we hope spiders are not stalking you and we hope you're staying safe on all the roads that you're driving and if you have any ghost stories please email them to us at two girls1 ghost podcast gmail.com and remember to join us on patreon if you want all episodes one week early and AD free and a ton of extra bonus content uh we love you yes we love our editor Jamie very much and we love ghosts thank you ghosts please haunt us only in good ways and that applies to our listeners as well but until next time we will see you see you on the other side very spooky