Appalachia Murder House Turned Haunted House | Frightmare Manor (Ep 365)

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The murder house, turned haunted house, in Appalachia, a modern-day haunted attraction and scream park haunted by a serial killer whose spirit has never left the land.

[music and singing]

Very spooky.

Hey.

Hi.

Hey.

Hey.

What's up?

Hello. Hello, everyone.

I am wearing my demon shirt.

Yeah, I feel like you haven't done the demon voice in a long time.

Keeping you on your toes. You never know when it's going to come.

Yeah.

Probably the next light-hearted episode we have like read an entire light-hearted [laughter] story in a demonic voice.

Oh, I for sure we have a visit from loved ones encounters planned and I for sure found a way to add demons in there.

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[laughter]

Of course.

Who is she?

is she? Well, we know exactly who you are. You're someone who loves demonic stories.

And you know what else I love? Appalachia.

[sighs]

It's so crazy cuz every time we talk about Appalachia, which it feels still phony saying Appalachia because where we're from the pronunciation's different.

Appalachia.

For everyone else who

It's one of those things where like we've been like gaslighting ourselves into changing something but that now I don't even remember the right way to say it or the way that I was taught to say it.

The Appalachian Mountains.

Yeah. Like that sounds wrong now. We were bullied.

We were bullied to peer pressure worked. Eight years and we finally caved. But it just feel it's funny talking about it because like we've lived in it and yet when we talk about it feels like so foreign and so far away and oh my god like these creatures are going to come for us which in fairness most of them exist the really bad ones are in the south and we're in

And that's where we're going today.

the northern

No,

we love Appalachia and it's spooky.

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It's kooky. Spooky kooky. It's freaky. It's creepy. And without even Oh, it scared me. My jacket just ejected itself off of the not meant for jacket pole I put it on.

[laughter]

Do you almost call it a coat hanger?

Yeah. It's a microphone stand.

[laughter]

It's my coat hanger in the office.

But Appalachia's just spooky. She was born that way.

She was.

born that way just like we were all of us. Oh, way before all of us. She's ancient, but she's pretty.

She was a creepy kid, now she's a creepy goddess.

Mhm. With ancient powers.

She's an elder. She's shrinking actually.

Yeah, bow down to her magic.

Mhm.

Okay, great. Glad we all agree. We've talked about Appalachia for hours on end, the magic, the cryptids, the disappearances. But up until the other day, I had never

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really stopped to ask like, "Oh, what happens during Halloween? October, the time of the year when the veil is like the thinnest." And people all over the world and all over the country and all over the Appalachian region are partaking in spooky events. Does that energy like stir something up?

Right.

Does it make it even more haunted? And that is when I found this place. I'm calling it the murder house turned haunted house in Appalachia, specifically in Hamblen County, Tennessee, that in October or in the fall is turned into a haunted attraction, but is truly haunted beyond being a haunted attraction.

Oh, see that's so confusing.

Isn't that It's like on like layers on top of each other.

I'd be I'd be confused. Like is this just like marketing or is this actually a haunted haunted house?

question. And we'll get into that at the end of

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this episode. But no, according to all the sources that I found, this is a very real haunted house that is haunted.

A paranormally active haunted house.

active, which I've always been so curious about. Like because the idea of working at a haunted house sounds so fun in theory, but you're alone in dark spaces for a lot of the time

Right.

trying to scare other people, but what if something's trying to scare you?

That's a good question.

And that's what we're doing today.

if you're Well, I guess it's seasonal, right?

It is seasonal.

Yeah.

Cuz I I worked one when I was in high school.

Where was it?

a house. It was in the woods.

Terrifying.

I was part of the the frightmare fright marriage team, which like you hide

called frightmare manor.

Oh, oh my god. Amazing. But yeah, no, I would like hide in the woods in the tree lines. I would like lay down along the path and cover myself with leaves

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just jump up. But you're so pumped up with adrenaline of getting to scare other people, it doesn't you don't get scared.

Yeah.

But also I did that for two or three nights out of the year for like a few years in a row to volunteer.

about you. We're still learning things about each other.

have lore left. Um that is very, very fun.

Yeah, it was so fun. I don't know if they still do it. Catamount, Vermont.

Was it like a big city

city put on thing or was it just like you guys

kids put it on?

No, no, no, no. It was it was like well, it was in Williston, which is the town that I grew up in. And it was a like farm or like the the like property that had all like the trails, like mountain biking or whatever. Apple trees, that sort of stuff. They would put it on, but they'd they'd get volunteers. And so like I always volunteer to do the scare stuff. But like sometimes I'd volunteer for

paid?

No.

You just did it for fun?

Yeah. I worked concessions before. I did pumpkin carving multiple years in a row. Cuz they had like thousands and

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thousands of pumpkins and all that.

nostalgia that is like creeping through my bones right now for Halloween.

Oh my god, yeah.

strong.

I feel like my life in October was what people in Vermont in my town was what people see in movies and and they're like, "Ah, an American Halloween."

Oh, Halloween town.

I Yeah. Are we surprised I am though?

No, [laughter] not at all. But I I just now

know what I miss?

What do you miss?

We're never going to get to your episode cuz now you've got me on the the nostalgia train. Do you remember when back in the like the '90s and early 2000s they had those big trash bags that looked like pumpkins and they were orange with pumpkin faces and

have those.

Do they? I have not seen them. And you put all your leaves in them.

I think they definitely still have those.

I loved those. Those felt so '90s.

introducing Frightmare Manor

If you two are now feeling nostalgic, this is the perfect episode for you because it it will talk a lot about Halloween and the haunted attractions and things, but we'll also be talking

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about a brutal dark history

Mhm.

of this place. So this is located in Appalachia in Hamblen County, Tennessee. It is the ultimate authentic haunted attraction with animatronics, special effects, many horrors, and it has it's a 20-acre property. It is located on a long abandoned plantation, and it is one of the top-rated haunted houses in the country. And like I have insinuated, the most terrifying part is that the horror isn't all fake. It is based on a true story. And this is the story of Frightmare Manor, a modern-day haunted attraction and scream park that is actually haunted. Haunted by a serial killer whose spirit has never left the land.

Oh, [ __ ] That's a really That's horrible.

Frightmare Manor.

put a corn maze in the back and really make it freaky.

so many different attractions, so it's like every year they change it, but last year there were three walking attractions, like one that went through the house, one that was through the

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woods, and then another one that was like by like a grave area. It's 20 acres. It's massive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Damn, should we buy property? If If we do [laughter] something on

Oh, I was like, when you hear this story, not near here.

Oh.

But But that actually reminds me when I was a kid, my whole neighborhood, like all the kids in the neighborhood would get together and we made our own haunted house for the neighborhood. [clears throat]

Oh, that's so fun.

And so we would pick like someone's backyard and construct it there. We all had little roles. But one year

This is what happens before iPads.

Okay.

Kids are hanging outside, making haunted houses.

architects.

I feel like we used to also like put on plays in like someone's backyard and everyone in town would come over.

Yes. That gave me a flashback to I would never do this in my current day cuz I'm way too ashamed, but like one time there was a huge block party and me and two other girls like ran to my

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house, practiced a routine for 30 minutes, and then went and performed

What was it to?

But you don't don't feel the w. You will, but you won't won't no more.

[laughter]

Wait, I think we were like

My talent show song was the Six Flags song.

[laughter]

WHAT? HOW DID YOU CHOOSE THAT?

I loved it. It really gets me going.

[laughter]

THAT IS SO FUNNY. You commit that to be one of your two truths and a lie. Every you have to play the game that is so freaking fun.

[laughter]

What?

I I still to this day love that song.

do it right now?

No. No.

[laughter]

No, I could not.

Oh man. That's so good. We're both learning things about each other.

[laughter]

We should talk more.

[laughter and gasps]

As if seeing each other like 20 hours a

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week is not enough.

Yeah. And then before that when we lived in California it was like 80 hours a week.

[laughter]

history of the land

Okay, serious business now. This is where we get into the history of this land. And this is actually the history of this land specifically is very similar to what I covered in episode 359 about the Read House Hotel because they're relatively close to each other. They're both in Tennessee. This is

Tennessee's a spooky little [ __ ]

Exactly. Couldn't say it better myself. But yeah, so it's very similar to that episode so I'm not going to go like as deep as I did in that episode, but this is like maybe a 2-hour drive northeast from Chattanooga. It's closer to Knoxville and it's in Appalachia. We know Appalachia. It is ancient. It is historic and this area specifically holds the memory of those who lived upon it centuries ago. Long before this house ever stood, long before settlers came

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the Cherokee nation lived here.

Mhm.

So there's a small little unincorporated community in Hamblen County called Talbott, Tennessee and that's like that's where this house exists now. It's in East Tennessee located smack dab in the middle of the Appalachian Ridge and Valley region. So it's like very beautiful rolling hills

Yeah.

low valleys where you have like beautiful stunning Tennessee hills.

so pretty.

So pretty. And long before it was frontier farmland, it was the place the Cherokee called home. They lived in harmony with the land, very much believing the land was alive and held balance between worlds.

Mhm.

But, as talked as we talked about in episode 359, by the late 1700s, early 1800s, the Scots-Irish settlers began pouring into the region, pushing westward expansion and ultimately erasing the Cherokee people through what we know as the Trail of Tears.

Yeah.

Cherokee were forced out of their homes,

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away from their land, but their spiritual beliefs and higher powers very much remained ingrained in the land, like the Nunnehi people, and then there's like the Uktena spirit that

Someone should make We're not the right people because we are white.

Yeah. Um but someone should make a like Cherokee podcast, cuz I feel like we have covered so many Cherokee legends.

Right. And that's it's hardly any.

I'm sure there is one. We should look that up.

Yeah. If not,

someone who is qualified, please start.

Yes.

We will [laughter] listen. You have two listeners right here. Or if you have one that you recommend, please tell us.

Mhm.

But the point being here is that like they very much believe the land was alive with the memory of everything that ever happened there, and all of the spirits that lived there still resided there. So, this is a very like energetic area on top of it being Appalachia. Frontier settlers then built their own homes on top of this land they had stolen, on top of land with energy they

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themselves could feel but not understand. This time was also very difficult for survival. Settlers built log cabins, they depended on family. Life was really hard, insular, and often lawless. Then, came the Civil War. And in this region, it was very volatile. Many loyal Unionists lived in this area, but because Tennessee ultimately seceded and was in the Confederacy, brothers were turning against brothers. It was a lot of bloodshed and a lot of conflict, like internal conflict in Tennessee. Many people died, homes were overtaken, crops were destroyed, which meant that the land further absorbed more blood and more pain. It continued to promise to remember. Now, it's amidst this time and

missing persons in Hamblen County

friction in 1870 that the greater Hamblen County was formed. It was a predominantly farming town mixed with limited trade markets, and most families were farming corn, tobacco, or livestock. It was a very small town, very focused on rebuilding after the Civil War. Essentially, everyone knew

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everyone. Mhm. So, when in 1887, people started going missing, they noticed.

It's like a real-life game of The Traitors. Who is the killer in the house?

People are really dying. But at first, okay, so it's 1887, it's post-Civil War, life is hard, farming work is hard, the area, the region, like the mountains were dangerous. So, at first, they're not really There's tornadoes.

But there's so many different aspects uh that were out to get you. That at first, no one's thinking, mhm, "Oh, there's a killer on the loose." People are like, "Oh, maybe they wandered off into the woods and got attacked by an animal." Or maybe they left to go find better opportunities and they'll write word once they land somewhere else.

Right. I feel like that was one of the things that was easy to get away with back in the day, which was like, "Oh, someone left." And you just have to wait for them to write. Or it was like, "Oh, they must have abandoned us." And it's

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like, "Or they were murdered."

And in this case, they were murdered. But they don't really have any evidence of anything. They So, they keep saying or thinking, "Maybe it's just one of these a million other reasons." And they are gone. But then, more people go missing, vanishing into thin air. And people were wondering where they went. and over the course of 15 years the this number varies but upwards of 30 to 100 people went missing. This is a small town.

I was just going to say didn't you say this is small? I don't know I'm curious what the actual population was cuz that seems like a big chunk.

Yeah, I don't know what the population was and this is over a course of 15 years. So if the number is closer to 30, I feel like maybe that's not as concerning. I don't know the specific stats. So the Hamlin County Sheriff his name was J F Hayes at this point. He tried and failed to uncover the mystery until one night in 1902 when a gruesome ax murder

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finally led officials to an answer. The answer was that those missing persons had not vanished into thin air, had not died to the elements of the Appalachian wilderness. They had been murdered by one of their own. A serial killer that had been hiding in plain sight for decades.

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axe murder on Lexer Plantation

So, it's July 5th, 1902. It's an ordinary day, but as night fell, so too did the cloak that Jeremiah Lexer had worn for so many years. Jeremiah Lexer was a wealthy plantation owner in Hamblen County and he was well-known and well-liked. Like, he is referenced as being very crucial in the creation and foundation of Hamblen County. Like, he was high up.

Well, what did the people enslaved on his plantation have to say about him?

Good question. He could be forward-facing on the street like, "What a great guy." and then take

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out everything.

But even on the street, people knew he had a little bit of anger. Or like, he had He had a lot of mood swings and people Again, this is so hard cuz like a lot of this is written after the fact, right? Where it's like they know he's a serial killer, so they're They're out They're like, "Oh, he always Yeah, I always knew." But um according to these like later written reports, people thought and assumed his mood swings were just like the normal mood swing that people have trying to survive in a really harsh environment in a in a world post-Civil War rebuilding, crops are unpredictable.

There's a lot of stress.

Lots of stress. But that all changed on July 5th, 1902. That night, Jeremiah Lexer returned home to his manor in Talbott, Tennessee, the place that had passed through generations of his family and originated back to 1790. And he picked up an axe. He went through his house and tragically slaughtered his entire family.

Good lord.

His wife, his son, his daughter-in-law,

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and his three grandchildren.

Oh god.

It's horrible.

That makes me nauseous.

After committing such a heinous act, Jeremiah Lexer then climbed the stairs to the second floor of the manor, placed the bloody axe on the mantle, and according to records, he jumped headfirst out of the second floor window to his death. Shortly after, the sheriff, L.F. Hayes, was called to the Lexer Manor and discovered the bloody crime scene. All seven Lexer family members were dead, and within the home, there were these like incoherent messages written along the walls in the blood of the family members.

[sighs]

Now, I have chills. This is horrific.

But, the discoveries did not stop there. While they were searching the house, trying to put the pieces together, the sheriff and his deputies made another horrific, life-altering discovery. On the property, there was a pit filled with dismembered body parts,

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arms, legs, heads, torsos, all at various stages of decomposition.

Jesus Christ. This person was not just like No, immediately my mind is like, there's something that has turned off or on, and he is not with it.

Yeah.

That statement isn't even doesn't do it justice.

like it doesn't seem like he's doing much to hide it. Like, it was relatively easy for the police to find when they were on the property.

Mhm.

Again, this is all like happening so fast, but this is like discovery after discovery of tragedy after tragedy. So, they're in shock. L.F. Hayes is so sick by the sight of this pit, he had to run outside to regain composure and like not throw up. He, at the moment, didn't know the exact number of bodies that were in the pit, but he had this sinking feeling that those were the remains of like the dozens of people who had disappeared over the years. And he was right. Even more shocking to him, Jeremiah Lexer had been a friend. So, now he's

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like confronted with this horror, and confronted with this like reality that this person he thought he knew, the person he thought was his friend,

Yeah.

he didn't know him at all.

It just really makes you wonder, too, like how could he present in in a normal enough manner that like people weren't wondering what was going on, you know? Like that cuz he seems so out of it. Like based on the state of the bodies and him axing and like did he use an axe? Do we know what his MO was for all the missing people?

I don't know specifically. I don't think it was the same way he brutally murdered his whole family. But it's like these murders, him being a serial killer, was happening over such a long span of time that we don't know what triggered him on the night of July 5th. I don't know that it matters. He was clearly mentally unwell and deranged.

Yeah.

But the sheriff is just like so confused. How do you rationalize the

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person he thought he knew with the reality he is looking at, and that was very difficult. But the truth he was looking at was that Jeremiah Lexer was a serial killer, the worst Hamblen County had ever seen. Over the next few days and weeks, police discovered 31 bodies in the pit. 31.

[sighs]

Again, I couldn't find like specific details, which we'll get into the reason why in a little bit, but through this investigation, it was discovered that Jeremiah Lexer had been silently kidnapping and then like really sickly torturing before murdering and dismembering these people for upwards of 15 years.

This is This is like um a New Orleans what's-her-face.

Madame LaLaurie.

LaLaurie?

Yeah.

Yeah, cuz she she basically had like the same power, like the mansion, the property, yeah. Slaves, access to people, and did a lot of torture.

Yeah.

Evil evil evil.

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Very.

Man, why can't Okay, I'm not Why can't serial killers be like Dexter and target other serial killers? Be a vigilante serial killer.

So, yeah, this was unfortunately not a Dexter. He was just a horrible human being who had been living underneath the noses of all these people in Hamblen County for so long under this disguise and they could not understand why he had done any of it. They also couldn't understand why on the night of July 5th, 1902 Jeremiah Lexer went home and brutally murdered his entire family.

Right.

There were no answers and unfortunately none of us will ever really get answers because he's dead, too.

Yeah, but they didn't like when they found him, they didn't he didn't ever say why.

No, he died by suicide.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah. It is interesting because the And people have like brought up like how did he die from that fall because it's not like that tall of a building, but apparently he went headfirst.

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Yeah.

Either way, he is dead and we have no answers. Today people

if he had slaves? I would assume he did given this.

I It's a plantation. I mean, granted like this story and like the murders and discovery happens post-Civil War. So, [snorts] technically there were no slaves. But they were probably still working on the plantation.

Yeah, cuz I'm just curious like what all of those people saw.

That's a great question.

Mhm.

Unfortunately, we don't have an answer to that or to much about this. Some people do theorize that Jeremiah Lexer had multiple undiagnosed psychological disorders which I feel like no duh and that he was suffering from psychosis and hallucinations. Either way, these undiagnosed conditions are not an excuse. I think it's just people trying to make sense of a monster who was living among amongst them for so long.

the house post discovery

And after the discovery, the Lexer Manor remained vacant because who would want to live there?

No. Bodies piled up. How many people just

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tortured and killed?

Right. So, it was abandoned for a while and then also it's believed that the Hamlin County tried to keep this really, really quiet because they were nervous that it would keep people from moving there and they were trying to like build an economy in a in a city.

Yeah. It's hard cuz it's like, yes, you see this headline and you're like, oh god, I'm not going to move there. There was a murder and people weren't went missing and like that horrific thing happened. But then on the flip side, what are the chances that a second serial killer is going to be in the town? Is that not one of the safest places you could maybe take a chance to move to?

Or do you think that a serial killer got away for so long and a serial killer reads that and they're like, oh, they won't expect another serial killer.

ooh, incompetence. Let me go there. Perfect scene.

Either way, people were not willing to take their chances and they kept this very, very hush-hush. But it was also whispered about. People

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in the town knew about it. They talked about it. And for a long time, locals whispered about the spirit of Jeremiah Lexer haunting the house. People swore they saw a man wielding an axe walking past the dark windows. Others claimed to hear cries of his victims. But that was just local lore, right?

Yeah.

No way that place was actually haunted. Yes, way. But no one was really willing to buy the house for themselves, so it was abandoned for a really long time until many years later when someone was like, this is the perfect spot for a restaurant.

[laughter]

And I don't know exact dates here. And also, this is like off a highway, so it's not like a small little town where houses are all next to each other. Like this has 20 acres of land. It's kind of rural.

Mhm.

But I again, I don't know the exact dates here. The home was built in 1790. The axe murders and discovery of the bodies took place in 1902. And then for

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a long while the building sat vacant. Uncertain when, but in more modern times the home sold and was used for various businesses. One restaurant, The Attic, operated in this house and on this land for many years.

In the actual house.

actual house.

So they heard there was an axe murderer who lived here. Let's go put a bunch of knives out all throughout this house and see what happens.

It was probably cheap.

Damn. Also, we've been covering a lot of stories from the early 1900s recently. I feel like between like 1880 and 1912, like the past multiple episodes we've been like, "And then in 1905 this happened."

We're trying to escape the reality of our world today. [laughter] Um so The Attic operated in this house and land. The owners leased the back of the house to a hair salon and barber shop. And after many successful

Knives everywhere. Knives everywhere.

Everywhere. Very Sweeney Todd. Actually so Sweeney Todd. Like the barber shop next to the

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restaurant.

Right.

What's in their pies? But so this restaurant was very successful for many years. They even built an addition for more restaurant seating.

Mhm.

As far as we know, there are no documented reports that the owners had issues with hauntings. But eventually the restaurant did switch ownership and it became a seafood restaurant. And this was in operation until 2001. And according to internet rumors, this restaurant had to shut down because the hauntings got so bad.

Holy [ __ ]

Plates were being thrown and shattered, objects moving on their own, there were cold spots, shadow people. Like it got so bad that employees refused to show up for work.

Was this guy allergic to shellfish or something? Like why he let the other restaurant go on?

I don't know, but the seafood is too much.

Or did people just ignore the hauntings when it was the other restaurant?

I don't know. So, then in 2001, the Lexer murder house was once again

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abandoned. Once again, no one in town wanted to take ownership of this home. I mean, what business could you run out of a haunted house?

Right.

What business, you might ask?

Huh, interesting. Are we within that sort of business?

I think we might be, Corinne.

Do you love ghosts? Do you want to be freaked out of your pants?

for you.

You know what? I feel like a place like this should sell like underwear and pants, cuz what if someone shits themselves from being so afraid? Like, that's a concession stand at the end of this one.

As someone who has [ __ ] themselves recently

Actually, it's been quite a while.

been that recent.

But more recently in comparison to like most the average person.

Yeah. Because I'm prone to it,

I

always have extra underwear on my person. Like, always.

That's smart. Be prepared.

Okay, well, anyway, be prepared to enter

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Frightmare Manor

This is the perfect business for a haunted house. A haunted house. Again, I like it's really hard to find specific dates. I'm sure I could have looked up like business records and stuff, but I didn't. It's not 100% clear what year Frightmare Manor opened. Some reports say that it began operating as a haunted house like in the early 2000s. And so, the seafood restaurant closed in 2001. Mhm. But, the attraction that it is today was established in 2009 by a man named Chris Woodin. So, I don't know if like he more casually owned the property and was running as a haunted house before deciding to call it Frightmare Manor. I'm not sure. But, Chris Woodin had heard the haunting history, like the true story of the home, and saw this as the perfect location for a haunted house attraction. A murder house turned haunted house. And he loves to hone in and harp on the

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specific fact. A lot of haunted attractions do come up with fake history, fake lore, fake tragedies that so-called happened on that property in order to like sell tickets and sensationalize the attraction. But, he likes to harp on the fact that he didn't have to do all of that. That it was already there for him.

Right, long before his business was established. It was already known. Chronicled businesses shut down from the hauntings.

Yes. In the first year of operation in 2009, Chris had apparently spent a lot of time digging into the history trying to unearth hidden history of the homestead. And based on what he learned and what he found, he curated Frightmare Manor to be basically a replica of the horrors that truly happened there. Which I feel like I get it, but don't you also feel like that's a questionable decision to do? And

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wouldn't that stir up more activity?

Right. And who's to say that all of these victims

spirits still trapped there and are now like reliving

and watching people find joy and excitement

And paying to experience Yeah.

their terrors.

Yeah.

It's kind of [ __ ] up.

Well, it has been happening year after year. And every year they come up with like various attractions to terrify their victims as they are called. Most of them, not all of them, but most of them are based around the true story of Jeremiah Lexer. Year after year, Frightmare Manor has been listed among the top 10 haunted houses, many times named number one most haunted house attraction in all of Tennessee. It is a 20-acre property and the team behind Frightmare Manor makes sure to utilize all of it. So, I looked up the most recent like attractions that they had in 2025. I don't know what will be coming in

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2026, but this is what they had in 2025. They offered three walk-through attractions with high-tech animatronics, professional actors, special effects, and countless psychotic demented souls, which I imagine were the actors.

Yeah.

The three were the money-back haunt, Carn-Evil Outcasts, and Backwoods of Rage. I'm pretty sure the money-back haunt was like you go through the Lexer Manor and you basically walk through the night of July 5th, 1902.

Oh. I like almost would have rather they made up like just theorized about like someone's torture and murder instead of

Well, they they they did that in the backwoods of rage.

Okay. But a whole family like children being killed?

I mean, I don't know the specifics. They don't have like video footage of of it. They are very I'm surprised for how popular this attraction is. Like there are no come with me through the haunted house. Like they're very like their security is strict. Yeah.

It also makes me wonder like how do you

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differentiate when you have so much activity going on seasonally? Like what is an actual haunting? Like how do

I think that's why it's hard. That's why people have been able to write off their experiences

Mhm.

as something like attributed to the electronics or whatever exists in the haunted houses. Okay, so that's one of the attractions. Then there's Carnevil, which was full of clowns and horrors, but less Lexer-themed. And then there was a backwoods where the Lexer cabin stood guard over countless unmarked graves in the woods. And I think this was more of like the torture-specific.

[clears throat]

Beyond the walking attractions, Frightmare Manor offered axe throwing, basketball, carnival games, and um these two very in my mind questionable add-on like you had to pay extra to do these. They were the Lexer jump and the nightmare challenge. So, if you remember, Jeremiah Lexer died by jumping out of the window.

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Yes.

Frightmare Manor has a free fall experience called the Lexer jump to mimic that final act. And it's a free fall tower.

How much do they pay in insurance for this short season?

there's so much.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

And also just

They really thought of every detail to like pretend that you're

Yeah.

Who owns this? Should we Should we

Well, this is where This part reminds me of McKamey Manor. That's also in Tennessee. Damn, Tennessee, what is up?

Guys, check your drinking water.

Anyway, so this challenge reminds me very much of the McKamey Manor. It's called the Nightmare Challenge. I'm just going to read the description as it says on the website. The nightmare at Frightmare is what makes Frightmare Manor the most controversial haunted attraction in Tennessee. You will sign a release form. You will face your worst nightmares. You will be scared. For some, it lasts about 20

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minutes. For others, a lifetime. Want more hints? You must one, eat something. Two, drink something. Three, do something. If you face your nightmares and survive, you get all your money back. Two, you get a picture put on survivor wall for all to see and admire. And three, friends, family, and staff will cheer for you. It then goes on to say it's not an impossible task. However, it will take extreme guts, determination, and self-control. I tried to find information about this nightmare challenge. The again, close-lipped. They are You cannot find

exist or is this just great marketing?

but most people don't get their money back. I did find a Reddit thread about this and there are a few responses. The first person responded, their username was Muselizz, and they said that they had participated 9 years ago but could not complete the challenge. The first challenge was to eat an egg, like a big egg where you had to eat like

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the shell and all.

Oh, yuck. No salt? No, thanks.

And it's raw. Yeah. It's not like a delicious hard-boiled egg.

me, again, back to the insurance inquiry.

Well, they You have to sign a like a 30-page

by salmonella, my family's not going to come after you?

Yeah. Then this user said that they had to eat what the staff told her was goat dick, but it was actually a ghost pepper and the like spice of it was so like so painful they had to run out. Another person like an X Factor I think it is very X Factor, which is better than the McKamey Manor. Like McKamey Manor they're full-on torturing you like pulling your teeth out, cutting your hair. This is more drink hot sauce, and that was what another person said that you had to drink an entire bottle of hot sauce. So they they are really difficult challenges.

Yeah.

But then another user, again, I'm going to like it's Reddit and also I really don't believe that this happened, uh but this is what they said on Reddit. They said

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that they're still in therapy for the final challenge, that in the final challenge they had cut off his penis and made him eat it. And he still didn't get his money back. So I'm going to go ahead and say that's probably not real. I think there would be a lot more news stories about that if that were true.

I agree with that. I don't think the waiver would cover that. I think in the court of law, it doesn't there's some contracts that are just

Yeah, yeah, you can't you can't cut off people's penises and make them eat it.

No.

I did find though on that same Reddit thread someone who worked at the attraction said they worked there for a couple of years and that every night the team changes the challenge so that no one can leak it and ruin it for other people. So like everyone's experience is very different.

Okay.

And I do think you have to disclose like your fears and like dislikes so that they cater it to you. Like if I said I absolutely despise eggplant or I'm a vegetarian, they would like give me eggplant or meat, you know?

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Yeah. So lie.

You know? Yeah. Like I'm scared of kittens. Their soft fur, ew.

[laughter]

Puppies? Ew. Disgusting. So yeah, I really couldn't find anything about people who had completed it, which either makes me think that no one has and even like they say that there's like a survivor wall that all of the photo photos get posted on of people who have completed it. Couldn't find any evidence of that or they're just really good at keeping details under wraps. It's also We're recording this in March. This comes out in March. It's also sometime after October. Maybe they have taken that off the website and are prepping for 2026. Right. I don't know. Either way, me no likey. That's what I got.

[sighs]

Yeah.

So overall, Frightmare Manor is said to be one of Tennessee's most haunted horror attractions and a must-visit for you fright-chasing horror freaks out there, which is a lot of you. Whether you do the Nightmare Challenge or not,

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you are certain to be entertained or scared and possibly by more than human souls in costume, but by the dead who haunt there as well. Because given the history, Frightmare Manor is undoubtedly haunted.

Mhm.

hauntings

So a lot of the reports that I could find were shared among staff and like passed by word of mouth, but here are the hauntings that I could find. People report seeing shadow figures and apparitions inside the house. And this is like long before it was Frightmare Manor. That's the same report. Like people would see someone walking through the windows when they were dark and no one was inside. A lot of shadows out of the corner of your eye. And again, like going back to what you said, like how do you how do you differentiate between like the horrors of Frightmare Manor versus like an actual haunting?

Yeah.

So a lot of people will see shadows out of the corner of their eyes, but they'll like write it off as like another cast member just walking by or a trick of the light, but it's probably something more.

You know what? This just gave me an idea

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for

What?

And I don't know that there's actual like money in this, but it's just like cuz I feel like haunted houses and things like this, they either go too far into like grotesque sort of like torture and blood

horror. Or they're just like for the average person who just wants like a jump scare or to like be frightened in the moment cuz it's the month of October and Halloween's coming.

Yeah.

I feel like for people who are like truly deep into horror and it takes a lot to scare them. Like I'm thinking about myself. I think like for me to like truly feel the fear, if there was a place that was like an overnight and you have experiences and it's only like you or you plus another person.

So basically a paranormal investigation?

Well, sort of, but I was thinking about like outside. Like cuz I'm more scared outside. Like your challenge is like you have to spend the night in like a tree stand or something. And then there's like actors and stuff going through the woods or doing things or like you're in a tent with like your your best friend or something. But then in the distance

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you hear in the middle of the night like a pig squealing or like the sound of someone screaming for help.

story?

Yeah, basically where like your your brain is like, oh, these are actors. Like these people are paid to do this, but like it's just distant and weird enough that you're not sure.

It's unsettling. It's like, or did someone just break onto the property? Or is this actually a murder? Or how much do we actually know about this attraction? I need like a psychological

immersive experience.

I need an immersive experience.

Where it feels more grounded in reality.

I feel hunted.

You're sick. I feel like in theory you want that, but you don't actually want

don't

it, but but that I think is what would take

Didn't you just start this with you know what I want?

Well, no, like that would be, sorry. I don't want that, but I think that that is what like the the like torture people want.

That sort of thing is not that wouldn't It wouldn't not scare me, but I think I'd be like disgusted by it and I wouldn't be like, oh, that was a that

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was a scary like haunted experience. I'd be like, that was a [ __ ] up like human experience.

escape room in a way. Like I feel I did an escape room in LA that I mean nowadays like they're so elaborate and so like the the set design and stuff. I did one that was horror themed.

Mhm.

And I It was just two of us who did it and at one point one of us had to go in the elevator and so I went into the elevator by myself, the doors closed, all of the lights went off. Like it was very, very scary. It was good.

That is good.

So. There's something for everyone.

[laughter]

What's your deepest darkest fear?

We'll curate.

We could We could curate this. Add it to our scroll, our long list of business [laughter] ideas that when do we have time to do all of them? We don't. Okay, so back to the hauntings at Frightmare Manor. There are unexplained sounds like beyond the special effects and there was one story that I found of someone who was like newly working at Frightmare Manor. It was daytime before like the

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haunted attraction had opened. They were in the house and they kept hearing like these really strange sounds, like moans, like almost like a human being making these like eerie sounds.

Yeah.

And they kept thinking it must just be like a soundtrack or like a special effects or something like [clears throat] that. And so she asked about it when she like ran into someone else and they were like, "Wait, there are no soundtracks on. Like nothing is playing right now." But like they were convinced that maybe they were playing a prank on her or something, but it could have been a ghost.

Could have. Oh my gosh.

Objects

me sad because it's like knowing the history, the reason for the moaning is

I hope it's residual.

Yeah, me too.

Objects fall, they'll move on their own, which is also something they experienced during the seafood restaurant. Overall, staff try to follow a buddy system when they can and choose to stay in the less creepy areas of the property. Overall, it is no surprise that a place like this is haunted. The history is one thing, but then I think and I mentioned

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this earlier like this added element of almost not necessarily mocking, but kind of.

Mhm.

And making like entertainment out of the most horrific moment in all of these spirits' lives.

Yeah.

And we know for a fact that there were 31 plus like the six members of the Lexer family people murdered on this property that we know of. We don't know how many others there were. There were reports like hundreds of people went missing during that 15-year period. So, I imagine that that would be really, really infuriating or confusing for those spirits if they are still there on that land

Totally.

trying to like process what happened to them. I do hope that there are spirits who find it fun and they get a kick out of like scaring people.

Yeah.

Or that they find comfort in other people being there cuz for so long it was abandoned. Like maybe now they don't feel as alone.

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debate - truth or lore?

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There is one part of this story that has been like a bit contentious and debated in the world. So, I feel like I have to bring it up. Some people have questioned the validity of Fright Mare Manor's history. As in people have questioned if any of it is true at all. And here's the thing, I could not personally find any historical documents that pertain to Jeremiah Lexer, his being a serial killer, or the axe murders that are said to have taken place in 1902. Like anytime you look up Jeremiah Lexer, it takes you to the story of Fright Mare Manor and the haunted history behind the house. But, I think it's because they've done so much press that that's like what comes up. But, I don't know if this would work. But, you know how there's the Wayback Machine, which is if anyone doesn't know what that is, it's a website which allows you not like all of the internet, but like if you have the URL to a website, you could go back in time, like

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choose a date from like years ago and see what like the website looked like then. I am curious if like a Wikipedia has a page on it and you can go I don't know. back or just like a straight up Google result you could look Fright Mare Manor like kind of came out when the internet was blowing up, too. So, it's hard, but I did find a lot of articles like newspaper articles. So, it's not just like blogs and stuff written. Like newspaper articles that do share the story of Jeremiah Lexer, but they are more recent. And are are they all local, too? That region of Tennessee is like a So, some people have debated like is this entirely fabricated by the owners of Fright Mare Manor like a lot of haunted places do? I hope so, too. But, other people believe it is true and like cite what I had talked about earlier back in 1902 when the murders and discovery happened. This was a very struggling county. They were trying to rebuild after the Civil War, draw in new people, like build

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their economy. They didn't want this idea of a serial killer and axe murderer to like taint their reputation. So they like paid off people to like sweep it under the rug. Which

It's common practice even today.

Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff that is trying to be covered up.

Yeah. So then also, the people who believe it was covered up by locals actually cite the Lizzie Borden murders from 1892 as a reason for their decision because 1892, so 10 years before Jeremiah Lexer murdered his family and was discovered to be a serial killer on August 4th, 1892 in Fall River, Massachusetts Lizzie Borden was said to have taken an axe, gave her mother 40 whacks, when she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41. We're not getting too deep into that story, but the context of this and what's important is that people believe given how they had seen Fall River and the world handle the Lizzie Borden axe

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murders and how it like hindered the reputation of Fall River. Like even today, like Fall River you only go there for the Lizzie Borden house.

Yes, sorry to the Fall River residents, but you live there, you know.

And you associate it with the Borden axe murders.

Yeah, if you're if yeah, tourists don't go to Fall River

Right. For any other reason.

Right. It's like literally the Lizzie Borden house.

So if we do believe that the Lexer axe murders happened, which was 10 years after the Lizzie Borden axe murders and they saw what happened in Fall River, maybe they were like, this is proof that we need to brush it under the rug, not tell anyone, keep it a secret.

Yeah.

But then also people have said and used the Lizzie Borden murders as a reason that this was like falsified, that maybe after the axe murders in Fall River, Massachusetts, all throughout the country, all these like local legends and whispers started to develop based on that axe murder.

Mhm.

And so like this formed a lore that was more local to Tennessee, but was based

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off of that. Unfortunately, I don't know 100%, but we do know the reports of hauntings in this building and on the land do predate Frightmare Manor. Like there are blogs and reports of hauntings before Frightmare Manor was a business. And most locals to Hillman County, Tennessee do believe the story to be true. So maybe it's a mix of truth and lore, but I do believe the hauntings and paranormal energy is very, very strong on that land. So maybe the spirits are sadly the victims of this horrible, horrible tragedy. Or maybe because of all this activity and the creation of such a horrific haunt, they have created spirits. Like the thought form, like tulpa's, um or Conjuring Phillip. And now the land is haunted. Especially like all these people who are flocking here for two months at a time. Like the amount of energy that is being like thrown at this land in just a two-month period during the time of the

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year when the veil is the thinnest, perhaps like it's creating its own like energy vortex and portal, which is creating hauntings or inviting spirits, who knows.

Which actually just reminded me of when Greg and Dana Newkirk were on tour and we went to like see them live. And they had ventriloquy dolls made of themselves and everyone was like putting energy towards them to try to create them into haunted objects and they very much were starting to react and like move on their own and do things. We haven't checked in on that in like a year. We should see

And I think they're still like taking them on the road.

Oh my god, those things are about to be absolutely terrifying. We should text them.

Actually, you want to know what is going to be like the worst haunted attraction I think I could experience going into Greg and Dana Newkirk's home.

Oh, I

[laughter]

would love I feel like because of Greg and Dana and who they are, their home probably has like the best vibes. Even the haunted room I imagine

Yeah. True.

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Dana's such like mother energy. She is. She's so protective. I feel like

She's Mother Earth.

Like when I see her like I almost picture like giant black like raven wings coming and like

taking you under shelter.

Yes.

Love her. Love them both. But yeah, that's the Frightmare Manor and you can go visit it this October or September. It's September and October. Uh in 2026. Maybe you can ask the actors who are trying to jump out and scare you very politely be like, "Haha, that scared me. Thank you. Now, can you please tell me have you experienced any ghosts here?"

Yeah. So, where's the real fright? Where's the real horror?

Maybe you can ask them and report back

to us.

What do you experience in your break room?

Or sign up for a job for September and October, start working there to get the inside scoop, get the tea, give it to us.

Yeah. We won't We won't tell.

No, but you will tell.

But you have to tell us.

You will tell us. So, no one will know that you went against your NDA or whatever they make you sign.

I wonder if they even make you sign an NDA. Like if it's true history and it's

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haunted, that's your story to tell.

Yeah, did you hear that? From the lawyer herself, Sabrina.

Sabrina [laughter] Esquire.

Esquire.

Wild. Ooh, these ones are like hard because I feel like so many of the places that have the lore and you're not sure. Like the lore is just so gross. Like

So disturbing.

So disturbing.

And whether it's true or not, the sad fact is that there are true story iterations like real stories like that that do exist.

Right. And I really wasn't sure how to

listener story

go about cuz I tried to search cuz you just said like murder house at first.

No, Appalachia murder house.

Yes, I was like, well, I don't know how to go about that. Anyway, I found a story that I think could be like somewhat adjacent to that. And this is from our listener Sam. Hello, fellow ghosty witches. My name is Sam. I started listening in 2023 and I

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have been hooked ever since. Thank you for creating this spooky community. First, let me say I've debated so long on sending in the story because it still gets me when I talk about it. So, buckle in, ladies. This one is a long one.

Oh, jeez. Okay.

I grew up in Southeastern Kentucky, right in the Appalachian Mountains. Growing up here, you always hear the same tales, the lore, what not to do in the woods. This story takes place in 2012, located in Pulaski. Hopefully, I didn't butcher that.

Sounds right.

Pulaski County. Growing up in this rural area, there wasn't really much to do. So, what did me and my friends do? Well, we went to the Walmart parking lot and we would go ghost hunting, too.

At the Walmart parking lot?

I think those were like the two main activities. It's like you either like gather and socialize at Walmart or you could go ghost hunting.

Perfect.

I've always believed in the paranormal ever since I was a child and growing up my family would tell me and other kids their own haunting stories.

I love that.

You're the collector of stories.

Yes.

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The keeper.

I have to give a quick background on this location. My friends and I had always been told about this place, which I'm going to call it H cemetery as the family that currently owns it has asked for people to leave it alone. So, H cemetery. Right before you arrive at the cemetery, there's a house and we will call it the H house. The legend goes that back in the 1900s, I don't remember the exact year.

Could have been our birth year. We were born in the 1900s.

in the 1900s, back in 1993. I don't remember the exact year. Shout out to trauma. The man who lived with this family here came home one day, killed his wife, and put their infant daughter in the well on the property.

god.

The second legend

with people?

Right?

Dexter, where are you?

Seriously, come on. Get it together. Go quicker. Work harder. Kill more. Sleep less. The second legend I was told, and not by a very reliable source because he was a distant relative, is that came home to

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his wife and daughter murdered. So, in both stories, the man ended up dying by suicide, and he is said to be buried in H cemetery. It has always been said that if you go onto the property and walk to the well, which is probably a half-mile walk, you can hear a child crying.

Oh, that's so devastating.

I never was brave enough to cross the property line after what happened to me in the cemetery, though. But, my friends did say that they heard the child cry. Okay, so now you have the background, onto the story. My friends, May, Randy, Travis, and I decided that we were going to go and see this place for ourselves. This was my third time here, but my friends had never been. After this night, I swore I would never return. It's important to note that when going to the cemetery, we were always respectful. We never stepped on the graves, we never touched headstones, etc. This was in a location where if you don't know where you're going, you're never going to find it. It's in the middle of nowhere. There's a gravel road that you have to take in order to get there. It's only a couple minutes drive,

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but this is important information. Our first stop was the house. Getting out of the vehicle was extremely hard for me. I've always been very sensitive to the paranormal, and none of this felt right this night. Eventually, May coaxes me out saying, "It's not that bad. You'll be fine." That, folks, is how they get you. Sadly, the house has been burnt down. It was burnt down many years ago by a high schooler.

Oh, jeez.

May and Randy went over to the property line and stepped down into the basement of the home. I stayed back with Travis as I refused to cross the line. Something in my gut told me that I needed to stay put. A few minutes later, May and Randy come back screaming that Randy had been pushed off of the brick chimney. May said that right before this happened, she felt an ice cold sensation run right over her body. Randy was not so respectful. He wasn't really a decent person. He kind of shouldn't have been there with us in the first

place. Randy's the reason to not go back or go to any haunted place with Randy.

Yeah. Yeah, you have you really have to

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be conscious about like the people's intentions and the energy that are like coming in with you. So, no fight me bro energy coming in to a place like this. He had been trying to climb the chimney and he was being rude and I believe that this was the reason that things got so much worse. We then drove down to the cemetery and when we pulled up, I felt like my chest was going to cave in. I suddenly could not breathe. And at this moment, I knew that we probably should leave, but I was young and dumb and so we stayed.

You stayed? To be fair, I probably would have too.

Right? It's like you're there with other people too, so it's

Right.

Like part of you feels like you can't just control

Yeah.

everyone. And also like you can't you also can't.

And also like oh, like that one little thing happened, which is exciting especially for going there for paranormal activity.

True.

There's like a thrill to it.

Yeah, but like Sam is being basically suffocated and

And Sam's frozen in place.

No.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay. So, I was young and dumb and we stayed. We started looking around the cemetery to get a feel for things and Randy,

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being the [ __ ] that he was, lit and smoked a cigarette and then used a headstone to put it out.

Randy.

We were all furious with him. He and May went to the other side of the cemetery and I stayed with Travis. Did May and Randy have a thing? Why is she always running off with him? Probably. A bad boy. While talking, I felt as if something was screaming at me to look over to my right. And so I did. And as I looked over, I noticed the first two rows of graves had multiple flags, and one had a windmill. The flags in the front row started to move as if they were being blown by the wind, but there was no wind. And the second row of flags were completely still, and we did not feel a single thing. At this point, I started to feel a lump in my throat. As soon as those flags stopped moving, the second row started to move. And then the windmill started to move, and it was in this like cyclic rate. I'm not the person to pray, but in that moment, I did start praying. Yep. All of

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the sudden, I looked over to a grave and in the first row, I noticed a concrete angel next to the headstone facing away from me. Immediately, the angel turned around directly facing me. And my heart sank.

No. Tears began flowing.

All I could feel was something pure evil, and it was surrounding me.

Ooh, I have chills cuz normally like an angel you'd think like oh it it's watching us, it's going to protect us, but it came with really bad intentions.

of it, yeah.

I felt like I was being mocked by a demon for praying. Travis looked at me and asked what happened. I told him, he looked over and he said, "Yeah, the angel was facing me." He said it must be an angel trying to protect me, but I knew no, this was something far more sinister.

Yeah.

Shortly after this, I begged and I pleaded, "Please, please let us go home." Randy was refusing because he wanted to lay down on the grave

Smash Randy, smash. [sighs]

the specific grave that was considered to be a portal to hell. Let Randy. Let him be sucked off to

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hell.

guys go. Ran- Randy's good. Leave him behind.

Remember I said he wasn't the most respectful person? Well, it said if you lay on this very grave, you'll feel a burning sensation, and when you try to get up, three claw marks will be down your back. And he did do that. He laid down. I saw it myself. And he wanted to stay longer. And Travis was quick to get into the car, and finally Randy and May do get in the car, and that is when we take off. Like a bat of hell. From that moment on, I have felt a presence with me.

No, Sam. I'm so sorry. Don't give him Randy's address.

[laughter]

Right? Forward.

Yeah.

A middle-aged woman, and she wasn't evil. She was protective and calm. But she has been around me ever since.

Oh, interesting.

Okay, don't give her to Randy.

Yeah, yeah, keep her.

I talk to her all the time, especially when I'm scared. And many years later, I had a friend who noticed this woman's presence around me the first time I ever went to her house.

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And that for me only confirmed it more.

Wow.

My friend is a witch like I am, and I've never told her this story before. It surprised me that my friend could feel her near me, as no one else has ever told me this before.

Wow.

Anyway, I swore I would never step foot in the cemetery again. But years later, I did. And that was the worst decision that I could have made.

What?

It haunts me to this day. If you're wondering if Sam told us what happened, they did not.

[laughter]

Sam. Stay spooky. See you on the other side. Sam. Okay, well, I have so many questions. Like what happened the next time, and was Randy with you? Because I feel like Randy is

No way Randy was with Sam. Although Sam did say at the very bottom of this, while proofreading it, the computer started to glitch. And it like kept flashing.

Well, it makes me wonder if the woman who's with her was so grateful like, I don't know. Like I just feel like if this cemetery has such negative energy, like is this female spirit so relieved to be gone

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from there?

Yeah.

And like finally found a human attachment that could help get her out of there. And maybe that's why going back the next time, even though we don't know what happened was so horrific. Cuz that spirit like didn't want to go back.

Right. Or was like fighting things off.

Yeah.

Ooh, I can't believe So like Sam didn't outwardly say, but I think she was insinuating in her email, too, that I think Randy did get the scratch marks cuz she was like, "I saw it happen." And I don't think like I think that's what she means is like the scratch marks, too.

If I were a demon, I'd be scratching Randy like left and right right that evening.

That gives me so much anxiety. Like takes away from the experience of getting to be in a cemetery when there's someone who's like behaving recklessly. Provoking. It's Yeah, you're just like not going like I'm almost on You're making me on the the ghost and demons' team here. Cuz I also don't want you here now.

Yeah. Well, and this is something we talk about all the time. It's like when it comes to paranormal investigating, the biggest thing for us has been who

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you go with.

Mhm.

And that's why like I'm more hesitant to do like a massive paranormal investigation with a bunch of strangers because I don't trust people.

Right. It's really hard.

Damn, that is wild.

like we're almost proof of it working out in your favor if you go in with good intentions and know who you're going in with because every time we've gone somewhere, people are like, "Oh my god, this is the most experience we've ever had." And we're like, "Be respectful."

Bring the ghost girls. Ghost girls attitude.

Yeah. Yeah. Or our our energy.

It actually reminds me of the book that we just read for Patreon episode 13 by Craig DeLuey. So good. So good. It's all about like a paranormal investigative team that goes to

[clears throat]

Did you already read it?

Yeah. Well, this episode comes out after we have the discussion.

of like podcasting, I'm like I'm like, "Didn't we just pick it up like last week?"

We're literally discussing it next week.

[gasps]

This always happens to me. We do book club every other month and it feels like

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just a blip ago that we Okay.

You got to You got to read that.

why I end up listening to all of the books.

It's a 10-hour

audiobook, so it's And also I recommend listening to the

to be three for me because I I crazy, right?

It very much reminded me of The Black Tapes listening to the audiobook.

Oh, I love that book.

But in that book, like the different team members have such different perspectives when it comes to paranormal investigating and like one of them does have a little bit of like come at me demon energy.

Kicked out of the group.

It little Randy energy. Yeah.

Damn.

But uh yeah, book club is great. If you want to join us, the next book we're reading is Hollow by Selina Myers.

Mhm.

AKA Selenie SpookyBoo. And we're excited for that. And we'll be discussing that in May. Yeah. So join us over there. If you have paranormal encounters and ghost stories, please email them to us at twogirlsoneghostpodcast@gmail.com. And uh rate and review us on iTunes. And join us on Patreon if you want episodes

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So many.

Shout out to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie. And thanks to all of you.

We love you.

And we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.