The Monster of Bear Lake | Cryptid Sightings & Strange Encounters (Ep 228)

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very spooky hello and welcome to two girls two girls one ghost one I like how awkwardly we stared at one another and waited for someone to say something who's gonna say something is there a lag are we gonna speak at the same is gonna go first knows Karen you went first I did we are your ghostesses that's Karen hello Sabrina and we have a spooky fantastic show for you about something I've never heard and I'm really excited to hear about it thanks Karen yeah you're welcome I'm not even sure can I take credit for this I don't

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remember where I I found this topic but it we will be discussing in a short time the Bear Lake Monster oh I love just like when you hear a name of a monster without knowing the context without knowing what it is what my brain fills in right I was thinking there's a bear monster around the lake but Bear Lake is the name of the lake and there's a monster within the lake exactly and that actually makes me think of Melon Heads oh yeah because when you actually shared that story it's so different than what it sounds like maintenance it's super sad I mean they say don't judge don't judge a book by its cover don't judge encrypted by its name oh yeah also I finally watched the movie

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Megan I watched three scary movies on my way back from Cabo because I was there for Nikita's wedding tell me everything I watched Megan I thought Megan was okay it was exactly actually it was a little

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bit it was better than I expected I definitely thought it was going to be way dumber and I thought it was good I really liked it yeah you and I have have already found that we have different feelings towards knock at the cabin because we talked about this on patreon live when we did summer solstice I loved that movie I bawled my eyes out now I want to read the book Kevin at the end of the world which it was based on I loved that movie so much so that was another movie that I watched I will say okay so so when we talked about it on patreon live I think I was very like strongly like oh I did not like it and I slept on it Corinne and I would like to you recant your statement no I'm not gonna recant it but more just like tonally I didn't mean like oh my God I hate it I never like do don't recommend to anyone I didn't I didn't hate it I let like I enjoyed it as a movie but just felt like I didn't love it it's basically yeah like I okay I think the concept was

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amazing and I love M Night Shyamalan so there's like I think already like a little bit of a bias of yeah I like his movies but which you know it's hit or miss you know something he takes big risks and there's a lot of a lot of his movies are all they're odd they're creepy yeah they're unsettling but all in very different ways and so they can strike a chord with you and really like pull on your heartstrings for some people and then for others or just like that was a little too different for me and I also feel like maybe this is the what I'm searching for in relation to all of the Other M Night Shyamalan movies this is not my favorite it's not my least favorite but it is not my favorite I think the the one where they all get old old on the beach I feel like that was my least favorite me too it had such potential it was odd I also watched the newest Scream movie have you seen that one no I haven't I want to excellent It's just so well done you

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know what's gonna happen every time you know the Killer's gonna phone and be like I'm coming for you and yet it's still really enjoyable to watch I love that I think that movie franchise is one of the best horror movie franchises but it leads me to to state to everyone that Sabrina and I have put together a paranormal ghostly horror reading slash watch list for the summer because remember when we were all kids and your teacher would be like oh if you want to participate in this here's your reading list for the summer and if you complete all the readings you get this special ice cream when you come to the first day of school or whatever we're doing that we're going to give a list and everyone can watch and read those movies and read the books I guess so that there's a little bit for everybody so some might be paired with different activities to do it's kind of like our little summer spooky bucket list and so if you're on patreon I'm sure you've already seen it

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and everyone else here head on over to our Instagram if you're not a patron or join our patreon to see and to follow along with us be spooky this summer because it's not hot girl summer it's spooky girl summer it's spooky girl summer it's spooky girl all year round let's just say it totally is but being spooky girls sometimes we theorize and ask questions and wonder about things and can I play a voice note that I

Haunted Chelsea Hotel

received that's about 45 seconds long I asked some questions you did too when it came to our Boston Strangler episode a couple of weeks ago about what 99.9 DNA match mean and I received a voice memo from Daniel my good friend Allison's husband who is a doctor so okay I got really nervous Karen as you were leading into this because you were talking about like being spooky and us theorizing and you said a voice memo you got like I actually was picturing like a voice memo appearing on your phone and it being

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like a ghost voice recorder okay no no we're not possessed we just aren't gonna be a little bit smarter I do this okay this is this is from Daniel just this is like a quick Corrections corner for us not really Corrections it's just phone a friend and we got an answer hi Corinne this is Daniel so Allison I brought to my question about DNA base pair matching so she says that apparently someone had a DNA test and it was 99.9 match of the DNA sequence to this person well that would imply that for instance for every thousand base pairs 999 of which were exactly the same one of which was not and that could be for a number of reasons particularly whenever you have a cell duplicating itself not every cell is exactly the same copy you get minor errors in duplication and the the DNA and RNA machinery and that's for instance the basis of cancer for instance where you can get cancer is some princess tumor check Gene that gets copied wrong and it makes an error and it can no longer do its job that's just what happens naturally in terms of cell replication that is not the same as

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saying that there's a 99.9 chance that this is the same person in the population for instance those are two different statistics and they mean different things thank you Daniel thank you Daniel so yeah so he did it so that means it was him yeah it was him it was just like a mutated for that one case sample yes exactly it basically means a hundred percent it was definitely this guy it was just apparently hit the original sample and the sample they collected much later from his grave had some sort of small cell mutation the smallest amount that made it 99.9 rather than a hundred percent match I am curious now I have more of a scientific question and we're going to turn into a a podcast where we just asked Daniel medical voice and voice memo we speak to him he has to listen to the episode and then he has to text a voice memo and that's how it works he sends us a voicemail it's like a two-week delay between each answer it does make me wonder how like in terms of

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cell mutation and replication what is the the like what what am I thinking like percentage anomaly that can exist and has existed like if a cell replicates and yes there are some differences based on like the mutations and whatnot how how extreme can that get like if a cell replication is like what like that yeah anyway I don't know if I'm wearing it properly but maybe Daniel will know and we should uh send him this and ask and find out I know we'll sit down with him we'll ask him all the questions we'll be like you're a doctor you have to remember all of these facts you know this is the thing I just want to be able to sit down with experts in so many different fields and just pick their brain there's a podcast I was like wait Ally Ward does this but I wanna I want to sit down with people you know I just I just want to learn I I feel you on everything tell us everything we want to learn everything

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oh I oh my God I can't believe I haven't told you this yet Corinne okay when I was in New York I stopped at the Chelsea Hotel which you I think had covered have you news to me okay if not I'm gonna I'm gonna cover it because it is so haunted and is so cool there's so much history basically it's this famous hotel in New York City and it's right next to the Gotham Comedy Club which remember we played and we were asking people if it was haunted and they were like no no no it is literally connected to the most haunted building in the city so it's definitely haunted it's where Sid murdered like Nancy stood in Nancy um it's it's like a very tragic a lot of really horrific deaths and suicides happened in this hotel but it was a beautifully spooky Hotel the few photos you took of it and sent it's really done it Gothic ornate beautiful yes and it was like known as this like artsy

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musician type of place to stay like a lot of people would have residencies in there for like temporary time periods but it was just like if you were in the art scene it was a place to be seen if that makes sense anyway we went for drinks there something just fell from a window and alien spaceship check your backyard I would love the love there's no backyards in L.A what are you talking about um check your cement walls check your cement well check your cement alley but okay so we went for a drink there and immediately I asked like everyone for their good stories and it's really cool there's a hotel lobby bar and it's beautiful it's stunning it kind of reminds it has me like it has like the Stanley Hotel from The Shining like old Vibes carpet yes carpeted but like very ornate very detailed architecture like carved wood and um beautiful

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chandeliers and old furniture like Moody lighting so every single person I was encountered with I asked for ghost stories and the first one I asked the hostess and she was like I honestly I'm newer here so I don't have a ton of it I don't really have experiences like there's definitely an energy here how can people join a job that seems so spooked like in such a spooky spot and not immediately ask is this place haunted some people don't want that some people just want a job yeah work peacefully without the ghosts around but she said that a lot of her co-workers had stories so I of course start asking every one of her co-workers and this one man was like oh you should go check out the bathrooms downstairs like people here when women crying there's so much that's happening down there and so I went down to the bathroom and I recorded a video of myself in there I didn't see anything or hear anything when you flush the toilets though like it screams like

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Moaning Myrtle screams really I think it's just the old piping did you get old Plumbing did you get it on video I didn't get that part of the video because we'll have to go back I know the first time I went I went by and I was like by myself and I didn't go to the bathroom I really just went to go find a ghost and so I didn't flush the toilet then and then I went back a second time to actually use the bathroom and when I flushed the toilet I was like ah but what if you think it's the plumbing but actually there's like some some haunting stuck in the pipes and really just every time someone flushes a ghost screams a little bit because they're just so horrified it's coming down yuckiness like what did you do what did you leave left here it's the screams of all the goldfish that never quite made it oh R.I.P oh actually let me grab something real quick because the guy at the front desk I think his name is Eric he gave me this one time okay he gave me a sheet okay so basically I go to the front desk and there's beautiful stairwells and you can it's one of those places where you can see the stairs all

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the way up to the top and they start in the lobby so you can look up and you see like the center of all the stairwells it's like so cool but right above the front desk there's this net and they had to put that there because unfortunately throughout the history of the hotel a lot of people would jump and so they have this net there one to hopefully prevent people from doing so and then to protect the people working the front desk but I asked Eric I was like is this place haunted and he was like oh 100 and I was like do you have any experiences and he was like he goes like yeah I have a ton and he was saying that in the so it's still kind of under construction in the wing where the Sid Vicious room where Nancy where he murdered Nancy is it's still under construction but he said that Wing specifically has a lot of hauntings oh sorry his name is Kenny I wrote this down see I'm glad I wrote it down okay so it was on his first week the doors the elevator opened and he heard like a

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ding and he looks over to it and he sees a shadow walk out like a shape of a man like dark shape walk out and he kind of did a double take and I was on proof the Shadow's gone elevator doors are still open the shadow is gone so ghosts are still riding the elevator right I wonder where they were trying to go I don't know down to the lobby I guess and then out right and I do I do wonder do did this happen before just without seeing the Shadow and people just assumed the elevator was being finicky or someone called it and walked away and perhaps this ghost is riding the elevator more than they know yeah it's very possible oh what have you walked into the elevator and you didn't realize you were standing right next to a ghost until a shadow passed by until the doors are closed because you're on your phone you're like doors are closed and then there's like a little flicker you look over you smell a little sulfur stuck stuck in there with them that's amazing though that's well

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there's more too oh some of the employees in the bar said that there are reports of people screaming in the walls and guests will report like call down to the front desk and be like oh my gosh someone's screaming there's no one in staying in the room next to them I also I I don't know if you haven't done an episode on it I truly have um Kenny from the front desk printed out this document and it's all the rooms and hauntings that guests have reported okay well even if I did do it I definitely didn't have this information so I think you need to do this I will we need a redo that is so cool oh my God imagine not knowing that it was haunted and then finding out and someone being like Oh there's one haunted room or whatever and you go up and you're like what's he hands that she and you're horrified to find out that you're not only in the haunted room but even if you changed rooms the likelihood of you being in another haunted room is a hive it was very high but this is the hot tip basically if you know you're in a

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haunted hotel or even if you don't just ask the front desk and ask all the employees is this place haunted have you ever experienced anything haunting here because I'm not kidding where every single person I asked acknowledge the hauntings that's actually an extremely high statistic because I feel like well I guess maybe here it makes sense then if they're if they have a printout sheet ready to go sort of like the Omni Parker House in Boston but I feel like some places are so weird about it and they're like uh uh but it wasn't ready to go that's the thing oh it wasn't they weren't like the sheets not ready to go he had to like go into his system and print it like they keep it internally they keep a record of it but they don't like they would never post that online they would never yeah they don't like advertise it you have you have to do an episode on this No No in fact you're getting you're getting bonus content making up for all the years that you felt invisible and Kenny shout out to Kenny if uh if

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the Chelsea hotel management is upset with him we're upset with you for being upset with him so leave him alone he did he did it as a solid it sounds like they're not like told don't talk about it because every single person I asked did talk about it you know and they all have a sheet where they're collecting their ghost stories they all get fired because of this podcast no no I think they're fine we'll buy it and we'll we'll investigate I mean okay yeah do you have a lot of money where's this money coming from does it grow on trees I wish I'm not even saying I will I do I do I do I have money great it comes to me I do okay well I'm really excited to

The Bear Lake Monster

hear about a monster oh yes and this is an exciting one because it's very reminiscent of when we were sitting down with Ash and Elena from morbid and talking about uh champ the sea monster from Lake Champlain and it's also quite like the Loch Ness Monster but it's in Utah Utah and Idaho

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Utah residents were rattled when in 1868 an article was published in the Deseret News announcing the existence of a strange and serpent-like creature inhabiting the Waters of Bear Lake which sits on the border of Idaho and Utah oh Utah State University has I I was thinking about one strange thing because we when we were doing our collab with them they were talking about going into archives and doing all this research and I kind of did that with this which excited me a lot because I so there's a special collections in archive hosted from and like pull put together from the Utah State University I don't know why I said the Utah Utah State University and it's just a full of Articles and interviews and various materials about the Bear Lake Monster they have a whole collection on it so I was digging through the newspaper articles I was reading all these excerpts and this area

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I will say is very Mormon too so a lot of what was in these articles also brought in a lot of those beliefs as well but I found the original newspaper article it's a little long but I'm going to read you the entire thing oh my gosh is there a picture of it like can you can you share this link with everyone oh I'm sure I can find the link yeah I'll grab the link again okay because I love how old newspapers look like I love seeing photos of them yeah me too but anyway I will sit back and listen I'm very excited okay yes this article says quote all lakes caves and dens have their legendary histories traditional loves to throw her Magic Wand Over beautiful Dell and lakes and people them with fairies Giants and monsters of various kinds Bear Lake has also its Monster Tale to tell and when I have told it I will leave you to judge whether or not its merits are merely traditionary oh I'm paraphrasing here native people I'm gonna change that word

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out the native people say there's a monster animal which lives in in the lake that is captured and carried away native people in the lake swimming but they said it has not been seen by them for many years not since the Buffalo inhabited the valley they represent it as being this kind of serpent kind but having legs about 18 inches long on which they sometimes crawl out of the water a short distance on the shore it almost sounds like a massive caterpillar right yeah or I was thinking almost like a salamander or something like it's slimy and crawls but yeah they have many legs so you're right well no they have I don't know how many legs they have but they're 18 inches long they're long legs they also say it spurts water upwards out of its mouth since the settlement of this Valley several persons have reported seeing a huge animal of some kind that they could not describe but such persons have generally been alone when they saw it but little Credence have been attached to the matter and

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until this summer The Monster question had about died out about three weeks ago Mr SM Johnson who lived on the east side of the lake at a place called South Eden was going to the sound Valley settlement six miles to the south of this place when a about halfway he saw something in the lake which at the time he thought to be a drowned person the road being some little distance from the water's edge he rode to the beach and the waves were running pretty high he thought it would soon wash into the shore in a few minutes two or three feet of some kind of animal that he had never seen before was raised out of the water he did not see the body only the head and what he's supposed to be part of the neck it had ears of bunches on the side of its head nearly as large as a pint cup ears of bunches like does that mean like multiple ears I don't know I was thinking like little cauliflower ears I'm not sure maybe a bunch of holes or something gills I don't know the waves at times

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would Dash over its head when it would throw water from its mouth or nose it did not drift landward but appeared stationary with the exception of turning his head Mr Johnson thought a portion of the body must lie at the bottom of the lake or it would have drifted with the action of the water this is Mr Johnson's version as he told me the next day an animal of a monster kind was seen near the same place by a man and three women who said it was swimming when they first saw it they've represented as being very large and it swam much faster than a horse could run on land so these things are fast that's so fast these recent discoveries again revived the monster question and those who had seen it before brought in their claims Anew and many people began to think that story was not altogether moonshine on Sunday Last as NC Davis and Alan Davis of Saint Charles and Thomas light and Jay Collings of Paris with six women I love

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how the women don't even get names it's just like all these men and Six Women I hate that always like that why is it always like that oh gosh damn it okay so all these all these men and six women were returning from Fish Haven when about Midway from the latter place named to St Charles their attention was suddenly attracted to A peculiar motion or wave in the water about three miles distant the lake was not rough only a little disturbed by a light wind Mr slight said he distinctly knew the sides of the very large animal that he's supposed to not be less than 90 feet in length so he thought it was 90 feet long how big is this Lake uh it's big I'll tell you I have some statistics in a minute okay but it's not it's not small it's not like a pond or something you're just gonna like kayak across yeah because 90 feet is just long so I was like yeah it's got the width but does it have the width and the depth and the

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length to have a creature that long go unnoticed right for so long I never been seen or captured not really your your video I don't know if it captured it but your video just like totally like flashed I saw it I was ignoring it scared me sometimes I feel like you and I both ignore it don't bring it up so there's probably so many times it happens that we both see it but don't acknowledge it maybe we should just start acknowledging it call it a tech issue and move on if there's a spirit here I'm sure they'll find another way to be known but also please we're setting intentions only good spirits here only good spirits here do not harm us yeah okay back into the story Mr Davis don't think he saw any part of the body but it must have been not less than 40 feet in length judging by the way that rolled upon both sides as it swam and the Wake that it left in the rear it was going south and all agreed that it swam at the speed almost incredible to their senses so this is another group of eyewitnesses who all were like this

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thing is so fast so fast Mr Davis says he never saw a locomotive travel faster and thinks it made a mile a minute easy in a few minutes after the discovery of the first a second one followed in its wake but seemed to be much smaller appearing to Mr slight about the size of a horse a large one a baby one and six small ones had Southward headed Southward out of sight yes mama and baby monster and her six babies baby monsters I want a book called Baby monster I'm sure there is we have baby witch and baby monsters baby witch and baby Monster one of the large ones before disappearing made a sudden turn to the West a shot a short distance then back to its former track at this turn Mr slight said that he could see distinctly its brownish color they could judge somewhat of their speed by observing known distances on the other side of the lake and all agree that the velocity with which they propelled themselves through the water was astonishing they

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represent the waves that rolled up on the front of each side of them as being three feet high from where they stood so this thing is creating a three foot high wake in its surface as it moves quickly through the ocean or the ocean it's not even ocean it's a lake okay here's what I'm thinking and I know you're going to share a lot more information yeah it's a lake but here's what I'm thinking because clearly if if this is occurring if this creature this monster surfaces often this would be a known thing like people would be like oh my gosh the waves like there shouldn't be waves why are the waves so high and like that would be I think commented on quite a bit so what I'm thinking is mama she her babies are at a certain age that she's like okay today is the day that I will show you what is upon the surface but you must know that after today after you see it you must never ever return to the surface due to safety concerns that

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this is like a I'm going to show you we're gonna do it supervised and oh interesting part of life but it's like the way that they will remain fly from The Nest it's like see what's around go back down underneath and don't return for safety reasons until those grow up have babies of their own and do the same thing so that's why we get sightings every two three ten years they just want to be where the people are I was thinking of Ariel The Little Mermaid this whole time too I'm like they tried to send Ariels at the top and be like look they're so scary and it didn't work so maybe one of these little baby like Monsters will be like I don't know picnicking on the beach looks so nice and just crawling up I want to build the sand castle I want to be where the people are you don't stay in the dip you don't well we don't know what the depths bring maybe it's worse down there I don't know I want to be where the creatures are I want to be more of the creatures where the Cryptids are okay

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this is substantially their statement as they told me Davis and slate are prominent men well known in this country and all of them a reliable persons whose veracity is undoubted I have no doubt that they will be willing to make affidavits to their statements there you have the monster story so far is completed but I hope it will be concluded by the capture of one sometime if so large an animal exists in this altitude and in so small a lake what could it be it must be something new Under the Sun this scriptural text to the contrary notwithstanding is it fish flesh or serpent amphibious and fabulous or a great big fish or what is it wait can you say that part again is it a fish flesh or serpent amphibious and Fabulous or a great big fish

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amphibious and flavius wait amphibious and fabulous that is the most incredible that's what that's the daily affirmations that mermaids braid on their mirrors amphibious and fabulous fabulous it sounds like a spell it's amphibious fabulous well during The Cauldron amphibious and fabulous great big fish is that flesh or fish or serpent is it Friend or Foe we do not know and we don't know what this thing is either he writes give it up but have hopes of someday saying it if it really exists and I have no reason to doubt the above statements here is an excellent opportunity for some company to bust Barnum on a Dicker for the monster hey that's some old local phrasing if they can only catch one already some of

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our settlers talk of forming a joint stock Arrangement and what they can do to the business I have already extended this letter beyond the limit I designed the health of the people is good and everything satisfactory signed jcr jcr I love your approach to this story I know I'm pretty sure his name's Joseph I wrote it lower down but jcr yeah he's like here's a bunch of reputable people that have recently seen a monster and we previously heard that there was a monster but the locals said that the monster hasn't been here for a long time so we didn't think anything of it but now people are saying it so maybe we should start talking about this again and I appreciate that approach yeah so in this Mormon settlement and the author is also Mormon by the way people were first warned by the Shoshone people of this monstrous existence like jcr had said because they too had many encounters with it but first I want to take a moment to compare the Loch Ness monster and champ the lake monster from Lake Champlain and now this monster in Bear Lake and we can see if things are

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maybe adding up first of all all three are super old formed during the last ice age with glaciers carving out the valleys and the ice melting and lauded off forming these Lakes Bear Lake is thought to be in the top 50 oldest Lakes today so it's super old wow yeah so that's I feel like that's check mark right now it has like a green that's a pro it's a confirmation that this could potentially have some monsters or old dinosaurs Loch Ness gets up to 788 feet deep Lake Champlain is about half of that at 400 feet deep and then Bear Lake is half of that 209 feet at its deepest so that seems kind of shallow for a lake monster also if this thing is 90 feet in length it can like it's I mean that's pretty massive and compared comparison to the depth like

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it's half of that basically so you would think that people would encounter this thing a lot more see it I don't know it's also another thing with all of these is because of the rain because of the terrain and just the things in the dirt and the sediment these aren't Crystal Clear Lakes it's not like you're going to Lake Tahoe and you can see the bottom of it like it is also very murky and the chances of this going upright like completely vertical is probably very rare like right and also we're assumingly flat that these people like maybe they saw and were like that thing is 90 feet but really it was a little bit of an optical illusion and it was closer than they thought and this thing was 30 feet you know so true you taking a skeptical approach here I'm shocked you know having grown up boating on the lake I think it is kind of hard sometimes to gauge how far away certain things are yeah so that's the only

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reason I say that but Bear Lake is only getting deeper because every time there's an earthquake the Basin of the valley drops a little bit and the mountains are pushed up and so the lake continues to be renewed and presumably it's only getting more comfortable for this big lake monster but isn't that also so scary I mean all the geysers and stuff out there I'm not scared of a lake monster I'm not scared of the Lake Monster I'm scared of the valley dropping during an earthquake I'm you know there's so many things to be scared of so let's choose all of them yeah where I think you choose all of them and I choose none of them except for cars cars is the one thing that I am like deathly afraid of yeah you're you're afraid of staying on the surface and you want to go to like space and deep sea okay Loch ness's first Monster sighting was in 565 A.D so year 565 Lake Champlain's first recorded was in 1609 but through

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the Legends and stories told from the Iroquois people the native people who live on Lake Champlain they had Legends of giant snakes in the water much longer than that and in Bear Lake it would appear that the Shoshone tribe has known about these creatures for a long time as well as much as we can be like uh oh perhaps there was some sort of event that triggered all these people to be so excited about like maybe it was I'm almost thinking about when we talk about the Salem witch trials and just the Puritans and their beliefs and certain things that triggered the idea that witchcraft it which is existed and but you can't necessarily do that you can't just say like oh the Mormon settlers had this belief in this small pocket and small community that triggered the existence of this lake monster because other people who lived there had seen it for decades and decades if not centuries and then we have multiple other examples of this from across the world all in the

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northern hemisphere from the three examples I gave but it would make sense and also not to go that doesn't make sense not to go too far back in Earth's history but it like is pretty far back Pangea like we weren't connected you know not too long ago when we lived in Pangea but the it was connected you know like where Loch Ness is in Europe and stuff was nestled into the North American land mass so yeah I mean I guess everything was connected so maybe that's not a good a good argument point okay you know what we're it's all hypothesizing anyway it is my mom actually I talked to her on the phone earlier and she was telling me that I was trying to present to her some conspiracy theories surrounding some things that have been in the news and she was like I don't like conspiracy theories I just want the bullet points I just want the facts and I was like yeah

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but you have to theorize about things because we don't always know things and also a lot of things that we felt like were too wild and outlandish 200 years ago our common knowledge now and like that's how it works and she's like I don't want to think about those things like I really don't like it and I was like so you don't like science then I was being and then also I mean your your mom also believes in the Paranormal and there's no facts with that like she said she just wants me to tell her ghost stories she does not want my conspiracy theories that's what she told me so I was like okay well she raised a daughter who has many conspiracy theories so good luck to her I know I was like Mom I'll just say when things happen now I'm gonna have to call you and re-explain all the things I'm already trying to tell you as a warning she was like then call me then call me then I don't want to hear about it right now she basically said I'm old leave me alone I just want to live out my life and not think about things too hard that's what she said I now picture you two like sitting in silence and you like kind of having to

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bite your tongue every time you talk I was like wow you're really given a big Fu to the scientific method there huh and she was like you trying to talk about science well also simultaneously trying to tell me I know Purity Theory Karen and I was like a contradictory [Laughter] anyway okay so the timing its existence

Analyzing the monster

the years of sightings and warnings from people from three completely different places I do believe that there's potential for a creature to be in Bear Lake and the locals have named it Isabella they named it Isabella yeah there was a competition I can't remember who held the competition but basically there was like a local competition held back in 1996 and a bunch of elementary school students pitched a bunch of names I think and named it collectively named it Isabella which I was like that makes so much sense because Isabella was a very popular name in the 90s so I love that they just were like you know there's probably five isabellas in their class

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they're like that can be Isabella too could you imagine being in Isabella during that time and being like so I share my name with a like monster cool cool cool they're like there's the slimy scaly ugly creature lurking in the lake what should we name it and everyone's like Isabella it's bullying and that's not cool Elementary School students back in 1996. that was actually my favorite name and I always wanted to name my child Isabella and then my dad had twins with another woman and named one of them Isabella who I love she's my half sister and I love her is she the one that called you from the sleepover there we go yeah so Isabella you still have a family member named Isabella it's just not your own daughter you're happy it's not my own it's also funny because she's 10 I believe and is now an aunt because my sister had a baby and it's always funny to me because she called me at the sleepover to prove that she had a

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older sister because no one believed it because I'm now she's gonna have to put 20 years older than her but she's not poor Isabella oh my gosh yeah okay these are her two truths and a lie okay there are also four species of fish in Bear Lake that are found nowhere else in the world which I thought was really interesting because that makes me think like what other creatures are there that haven't been discovered yet and a lot of researchers and scientists have been saying that there are other species like freshwater jellyfish or like other things in this Lake that haven't necessarily been identified so there's still a lot of exploring to do and there's evidence that these four fish that only exist in Bear Lake also existed in ancient Lake Bonneville which was in the same area about 18 000 years ago closer to the Ice Age time this Lake had a massive flood

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closer to Pangea actually closer to us than probably Pangea at this point definitely but closer than we are to Pangea yes but around this time there was a massive flood and then it began to dry up because it like overflowed and then it created all these other waterways and it then this this ancient Lake Bonneville started getting smaller and smaller and because of all these series of events a lot of animals went extinct like giant ground sloth Mammoth saber-toothed tiger all of these things were here in this area but others survived and adapted well what's interesting to me is like and I don't know much about these types of animals or nor their names I'm thinking about some animals that specifically like water animals that can survive in water and but also like don't need oxygen and stuff so like I'm thinking

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that these creatures have the ability to like almost burrow themselves and live even further below the bottom of the water that they can Burrow under there so maybe they are amphibian and fabulous because that's sort of what frogs do they like bury themselves in and they hibernate in the middle of the mud yeah and turtles you like bury your turtle right and so like if the water is dried up they still could survive because they just go deep under in the soils that still have moisture of some kind and then once the lake filled up again they like popped their heads that's interesting and I honestly truly believe that you're onto something and this doesn't necessarily mean that the adults had to survive when all these things happened perhaps they their ancestors yeah like it was really small versions of these animals that started out that survived and then over the thousands of years that this like it's existed it is

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only increased but basically I give the example of or no I'm just like going down conspiracy Rabbit Hole mom fast forward sorry Deb um you said not to I'm gonna because of that I'm gonna do it more um the the okay this is my conspiracy you know there's a lot of like conspiracies that the government has like all these like Technologies and like there's a ton of radiation and that they're disposing of nukes and things in places or hiding them that they the government either disposed of some like radioactive chemical that increase the size of these monsters or like deep down there's like something buried that the government knows about and it interacted with the chromosomes and the cells of these creatures and mutated like they do in superhero movies

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I mean something definitely could be happening deep down below we really don't know and a lot of researchers don't quite understand the bottom of this Lake either which I'll get into but basically okay I'm so sorry I I don't know what's going on with my brain right now I can't sit still I maybe I'm just trying to distract myself but you know the show below deck yeah here's my spin-off blow C and it's a Cryptid show oh I like this Cryptid reality TV I feel like this could easily be like a amazing anime series okay let's do it okay add it to the list all right I'll shut up but some very cool creatures that no longer exist that existed here are the giant ground sloth Mammoth and saber-toothed tiger there are many more but others survived and adapted like these four fish that are now only found in Bear Lake uh bison bighorn sheep Etc but there are some species that were native to this region

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and North America oh and another thing that I thought was so interesting so we basically have like the giant grunts off man that's super tooth tiger those things don't exist anywhere they're fully extinct but there are some species that still exist except for on my Instagram because your saber-toothed tiger in this region it camels and Musk Oxen used to be like native to this land apparently and now we don't have them right like people go over to the Middle East and Africa and South America to to and like the the cold cold Architects for those Ox bison or oxen oh my God I can't even Musk Oxen that's what I'm trying to say but I thought it was so cool I'm like oh we had so many cool animals and it just makes me mad because we used to have penguins on the East Coast too and now we don't so it does make me wonder were these monsters actually dinosaurs are these prehistoric animals that survived

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maybe in another area and migrated over and adapted or were they already here and have just adapted over time and I'm going to present to you some hard facts and scientific evidence this is not a conspiracy theory this is perfectly real and I'm saying in a way that makes it seem like it's not but it is okay so Deb will believe it Deb better believe this into this part or else she's telling Bill Nye that she doesn't love him and that's inappropriate Bill Nye if you don't believe this you are if you don't believe in science basically because this is real or Ross from friends will come and haunt you because there are many fossils of large aquatic dinosaurs that have lived in this section of North America who look an awful lot like the descriptions that were given of the creature in Bear Lake so there's plesiosaur ichthyosaur Mosasaur I can't even say these names an

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elasmosaurus that's how you know it's facts yeah and elasmosaurus who have the classic long neck so the first three that I said like the plesiosaur those ones they're like those big they look like giant whales basically with a crocodile mouth and fins there are those dinosaurs and then the elasmosaurus is the one that we think about a lot or at least I do with that's kind of like the same thing but it has a big long giraffe neck basically that comes out oh interesting I don't think I've seen that oh really if you've seen Jurassic Park you certainly have okay I have seen Jurassic Park so let me I have I will um grab some images and have these pictures pop up as the but this is basically what this one I think looks like okay I have seen that yeah it's like a turtle with a long long neck but those existed here I think this is fact fossils have been found in the like

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Wyoming area and whatever so we know that these animals did a fabulous fossil facts fabulous fossil facts with two girls one ghost love it now we're going back to the time that this article was published Brigham Young the second President of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints was very intrigued by these stories he was like ooh lake monster I want to hear more so he traveled along with other church leaders to speak to all of the locals who lived along the lake who firmly and confidently shared their eyewitness accounts of the creature and what they knew of this Beast there were so many sightings from so many people that Brigham Young and this whole group felt that the existence of a creature was indisputable they're like how could this many people have experiences with this creature for the next two decades people encountered these creatures and articles continued to be published some reporting on new sightings like a man who saw a monster this this monster I guess one of

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the monsters eat an animal on the shore in the middle of the night in 1873 and a man who set up 300 yards of rope into the lake to try to capture the monster for PT Barnum oh my gosh and a lot of people were questioning the validity of all of these claims because there were a lot of sightings so people were like um giant lake monster a bit fishy if you know what I mean so um well yeah and it's hard because I think when something like this is so in the Zeitgeist and everyone is talking about it I'm sure a handful of them are a bit false just based on Humanity right sociology and psychology just yeah some people being like I want in on this so I saw it too agreed him but more sightings just coming so in 1881 an entire group spotted in the distance maybe three miles away a light cream colored body with about 30 feet of it exposed moving quickly through the waters others who have spotted these creatures say that it

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has scales and spikes along its back but other people are like no no it's it's sleek and slimy and slippery most people say it's about 40 feet long though that seems to be the average some people have said it's as short as six feet the longest sighting that we have was that one guy who was like it was 90 feet well if there's many they could be varied you know right totally there were some Mega 90-foot Grandma dinosaur that took a trip to the Grandma's babysitting and she does what you're not supposed to do right so she's like come on grandkids we're gonna have some ice cream let's go sneak to the top don't tell your parents while people talk about the Bear Lake Monster as one monster there have been multiple sightings of multiple monsters all at once so obviously this isn't just the legend of one sea monster but it I feel like that only adds more validity to these claims because it's like there's a species out there right like there's multiple yeah definitely I fully believe

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that Joseph Rich so he's the one that originally posted the article I was calling him by his how he signed it yeah yeah J jcr Joseph C rich so Joseph C rich the one who published the very first article cronling the sightings he actually recanted his statement and he said quote wrote it was a wonderful world-class lie but that was also 26 years after the original publication like he made it up or the people who told him the story he was saying he made it up so I don't know uh if he was just trying to like clear the association with his name or if maybe he embellished parts of the story it doesn't really make sense because the reports came before he published like there's accounts before he published the story the story wasn't necessarily the origin story of these sightings I'm also curious because he quoted people like there are people he said he spoke to like I'm very curious

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right and if and if okay like let's just say let's just say an article came out right now and one of our friends was coded in it I'd immediately go to my friend who's quoted in it and be like oh my gosh tell me more and so I'm imagining back in the day he releases this article I'm sure all these people go to what's his name who's or are mentioned in the article and they probably got verification validation on the story whereas if it wasn't those people would be coming out like why'd you use my name like this is blasphemy I know because part of me was like okay well they they could have just made up names and maybe people wouldn't know because maybe not that many people fall followed up with the story but at the same time this was a small settlement right like this wasn't this wasn't a community of three million people living in like this city right here this was a really small settlement it was a community so I would assume that people these would have been

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real people and real names but I don't know and we can't ever ask him because this was so long ago that he's definitely passed away since because the original article was in the 1800s in 1907 a group witnessed a creature beeline towards them come up as they're basically I think they were camping or something so they had their it was these two men they had set up things on the side of the beach and they had a horse with them or at least at least one horse with them and they watched this creature come up and at in unfathomable speed comes on shore grabs their horse and starts like I'm not like ripping it back and forth and lets out this awful howl and basically like rips in and rips apart this horse of course I know which reminds me of one of the sightings decades before where that guy said that he saw in the middle of the night it feeding on some creature

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on Shore which also reminds me of how the Shoshone people were saying or at least according to these articles that ever since the Bison have been hanging out in the area they don't really have problems with attacks in the water which is basically just like maybe perhaps they feed on the Bison on the shore a little Watering Hole situation yeah so people began noticing smaller versions of these creatures in the rivers and in The Lakes so now we're not just in beer Lake then the rivers too people were wondering if there's some sort of underground Channel connecting these bodies of water allowing them to pass if they were just able to somehow enter these streams of water we don't really know but based on what scientists know they have an underground bunker that connects the rivers the lakes and the oceans just like we will have to our homes okay that's actually not not wrong

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so the science there's a whole documentary you can watch there's like a 25 minute long documentary you can watch with way more sightings and first-hand accounts from people on YouTube about Bear Lake Monster and there's a lot of shorter Clips too um that you can find out there but basically a bunch of researchers and scientists and Specialists were interviewed in one of the documentaries that I was watching and in this specific one they said that they they know that based or from what they know of there are sinkholes and springs that exist basically on the bottom of the lake floor that is what they believe could be there so they were like it's almost certain that there would also be plenty of caves based on the topography so okay so very possible I love this right it's so it's so interesting so the sightings never stopped

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so we're Flash Forward 200 some years basically and well not that many years I guess 50 years at this point in 1937 a 400 almost a 400 year old boy four-year-old boy he saw it and then in 1946 a Boy Scout leader reported his sighting and then in June of 2002 Brian Hershey was anchoring his boat on Memorial Day weekend and he saw two humps come out of the water followed by a serpent-like monster which jumped in the air and it was quote really dark slimy green skin and deep beat red eyes which sounds a lot like descriptions we've heard of champ from like Champlain and Nessie from Loch Ness sort of like the red beady eyes and the sliminess but one thing separates Isabella the Bear Lake Monster and that is that some people have said that there are spikes and scales on its back but it

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almost looks alligator-like oh interesting makes me wonder if when people were saying they saw smaller versions of these things Upstream if maybe there are so then I started Googling are there alligators in Utah and all this stuff and no answers no I don't know so Brian Hershey's sighting is widely thought to be one of the most recent reported in public sightings of the Bear Lake Monster and let's remember these are just people who came forward and publicly spoke about what they saw so there's probably many many more and I know that there are because many of them are included in various reports but there are multiple sightings more recently one of them in 2018. Brent Branson and his daughter were out on their boat together and the boat was just stopped you know they were just floating bobbin enjoying the Great Outdoors relaxing on the water and then Brent notices about 30 yards away and he's sitting in the driver's side seat of his boat and he sings out in the distance 30 yards away there appears to be this big long white cap and that is

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something I will say came up in a lot of the eyewitness reports that I was reading was these rogue waves where there appears to be no boat around so when you were saying wouldn't people notice all the ways when people see the big waves they do they do yes but there were no boats around when this big long white cap was happening that Brent was saying so he's kind of like staring at it just observing it and then he spot something come out of the water and his daughter now Spurs spots it too and she's like Dad what is that his daughter said quote at first I thought it must be a boat because of the sudden wake in the waves that we saw out of nowhere and then I thought it was one of those giant long tubes that people ride on except black then I saw it come up out of the water and go back down like a huge black shiny serpent I could see two different parts of its body at the same time going up and down then disappearing into the

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water as if it was Serpentine up and down my dad and I both said oh my gosh did you see that and then we both saw it again together so then they're freaked out they didn't know about this monster at all also while they were out here so they get back into the well they never got out of their boat but in their boat they drive back to the marina and they're still quite flustered from their sighting and so Brent tells the guys at the marina and he's like hey like this is what I saw this was so bizarre and one of the men that he was talking to his man looks over at the wall and basically kind of directs his Brent's attention and and his daughter's attention to this newspaper article that I don't know if it was framed or was just like hanging up on the wall but it was this article from 2013 about a Bear Lake Monster sighting and so Brent and his daughter were like what we've never heard of this thing so his daughter searches images of it and like you know drawing depictions from people's sightings and they were freaked out

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because it was exactly like what they had seen that's so wild I know while not all sightings are reported and not all reported sightings make the public news there are many residents who will admit to seeing this Lake Monster the Bear Lake Monster and many who have spotted it recently if you visit Bear Lake you can take a 45-minute Scenic cruise and hear all about the folklore quote-unquote or if you don't want to get into the water on the water you can grab a raspberry milkshake which apparently they're very famous for post yeah on a bench along the water and just look out for any off shapes rogue waves strange Shadows along the water surface and you might just see I'm down the Bear Lake Monster let's go okay I'm down I'm down to have a milkshake and go on a boat tour that sounds great I'll need a restroom after that but you know go in the water

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then have the Bear Lake Monster really kill me there but like how are the babies our Waters with your disgusting uncontrollable bowels or maybe they'll like it because they'll like it oh they're like good soup I was gonna say like secondary uh raspberry smoothie I've been wanting to try this um The Raspberries all the locals were talking about this no one's ever offered it to me never had the opportunity it's I don't really know enough about the Loch Ness monster I feel like just about champ and I feel like one of the things that kind of sets apart at least from my knowledge the Bear Lake Monster is how often it snatches people and animals from Shore like it seems like it's very much a predator right like it's not just munching on some seaweed at the bottom of the lake yeah I don't know I mean snakes eat other animals right so like that kind of makes

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sense to me yeah I don't know it's I I can't judge it's surviving it's thriving it's fabulous so it's amphibious and Fabulous that is maybe my favorite phrasing ever yes and fabulous it was in such a serious line too which is like this whole article was so serious and it was like what is this thing do you think it's this do you think it's this and then it was like amphibious and Fabulous I don't really know what fabulous meant back then maybe it was something more peculiar no it's fabulous it's fabulous yeah I don't know okay I'm curious what what sort of listener story you pulled for a

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topic like this okay so I did pull two because I when I because I didn't do any reading about Bear Lake Monster specifically so I I picked one that combined a bear and a lake and then I picked another one that is uh big footy

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okay lovely okay this is from our listener Ash and it's called something outside my tent hello ghouls I'm Ash and just recently found your podcast I've been loving it and once I saw your encounters episodes I wanted to share my scary story when I was eight or nine me and my family lived in a very wooded area in New Hampshire and since my dad is an Outdoorsman he would take me and my brother on all sorts of Adventures including camping in the middle of nowhere on one of these trips we took our canoe and paddled to an island in the middle of a lake and we're talking an hour or more just to reach it so we're pretty far away from Shore and very far away from civilization it was a beautiful spot and we set up camp but that night I woke up to a scratching sound I was young and scared of the dark so I left my flashlight on so I could see perfectly well when I opened my eyes I saw that my tent was being pushed up against like someone

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was leaning against it it was shifting in its spot and it was making a swishing sound whenever it moved scraping against the tent like you know like the I'm imagining yeah the like neoprene sound yep yeah the two Fab like fabric um fabric on fabric fabulous fabric on fabric whoa see fabulous fabric on fabric just some alliteration my first thought was it's a bear because that area had seen quite a few black bears and I had seen them before while living there but this thing stayed in the spot leaning against my tent for what felt like hours me too scared to cry out to my snoring dad who was not too far away in his own tent just laid there daring not to move after a while I heard what sounded like something crunching on wood like when you give your dog a stick and it starts chewing still I didn't move or make any sound eventually I just fell asleep again with this thing still there leaning against the tent crazy I know but there was nothing I

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could do and I was eight not like I could take on a black bear when I woke up again to the sun rising that morning the thing was gone my tent was back to normal still shaking I unzipped my tent and went to check where it had been on the side of my tent there's nothing no chewed up wood nothing I woke up my dad and told him everything that happened last night and he and the rest of my family do not believe me they were like you would have screamed or something but I swear it happened what I had been camping countless times before and after and after and never had it happen again so I still wonder what on Earth it could have been if not a bear I hope you girls like my story have an awesome day bye Ash okay so big Bigfoots or Bears or some sort of creature enjoy wood for treats I guess chomping on something it's interesting because the leaning against the tent is strange

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because you know like we all like to lean back and relax but I'm imagining like a tent is yes it's staked into the ground but if it's a bear or Bigfoot those are heavy creatures leaning against a tent to me like I imagine the tent caving in or yeah I can imagine it supports something that big unless the tent yeah I yeah we almost need more information on where exactly the tent was because if it was like immediately next to a tree or something and it was leaning on the tree but that part of its leg was brushing up against tent because otherwise why wouldn't it fall through unless it's this wispy little demon and it's basically weightless or it's floating fabulous amphibians and then there's wispy little demons wispy little demons they're so thin I love it they're so wispy the wispiest yeah I don't know I mean I'm just glad that honestly I think

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any time that happens leaving your tent is probably like the scariest thing to think about or even do so I'm glad that Ash stayed and was fine and we believe you we believe everything happened something was leaning on your tent my second story is from H and it is called Bigfoot is real and my family has the story to prove it hi ladies my name is H I'm a new listener and have been listening for a couple of months now my favorite episodes are the encounters specifically anything about Bigfoot I'm in love with your podcast and to keep my drooling over you guys short I just want to say you're amazing I live in Alberta Canada but I'm from Vancouver Island and I spent a large portion of my life there if you're familiar with the location you'll know that Vancouver Island is the hot spot for Bigfoot sightings there must be something in the water because I don't think I can name anyone from there who hasn't had an encounter themselves or have a family or friend encounter

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Bigfoot Korean you're moving to Vancouver Island I think I think so too I was just thinking that I was I was about to space out because I was like note to self look up airbnbs look at long-term vacation rentals figure out a way to get myself there and see something well Corinne this is for you uh that's what H says to set the scene here's a little backstory on my life growing up on Vancouver Island my dad worked on the mountain that housed a popular ski resort and my mom was a waitress at a small Diner we grew up snowshoeing the back country in Winter and hiking the trails and adventuring the logging roads in the summertime our family was very into the outdoors and my dad would take us out any chance he could my earliest memories are exploring the mountain learning about avalanches and sitting in the small Ski Hut as a baby watching him and his buddies because you know babysitting in the 90s was interesting to say the least growing up in a small town on the North Island everyone knew everyone my dad was well known in the community from his

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work at the mountain along with summer work at a fishing lodge so his friend group was extensive this story has been told through our family for years it's the first story that ever made the hair on the back of my neck stand up Bigfoot is effing real and my family has the story to prove it you can share my name along with the names of others in this story I have changed them to keep their privacy when I was younger we had a family that we spent a lot of time with you know the family friends that you actually refer to as family and thought you were actually your family only to grow up and realize there is no relation so to us yes they were family one night we were over visiting them when my Uncle Tom told us all a story from years prior I am now 25 so this story dates back around 35 years this story takes place on a small Lake just west of forbidden Plateau a popular location on the island for Infamous Bigfoot sightings and here's a quick tidbit about the location and its history long ago war was brewing for the Comox First Nations and the men

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sent women and children to the Forbidden Plateau to hide the women and children were never seen again all that was found was snow stained red the legend in history is that there were two different culprits an unknown tribe or a Sasquatch from then on the location got its name forbidden Plateau here we go my Uncle Tom was camping one weekend with his buddies they went out for some fun and adventure to a small cabin in the woods it was a hike to get into as it's not a populated area so they had no vehicles close by and hiked in with backpacks food and anything else they needed the day went on they were enjoying nature the gorgeous scenery and the great company a couple cold beers going around nothing but a bunch of dudes in the Canadian wilderness the day turned into night and my uncle and his buddies were starting to get hungry so they made hot dogs with Fire Knight uncovered a blanket of Peace over them all that night sitting around the fire eating their hot dogs they were in the middle of conversation when they heard a loud howl in the distance my uncle describes

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the howl like something out of your worst nightmare deep blood curdling and full of anger they all jumped unsure of what they all heard or if they were imagining it looking at each other in awe they laughed it off as maybe a cougar because they were active in those areas they got back into conversation when in the distance they heard crashing like trees being ripped limb from limb my uncle being the macho guy he is stood up and yelled into the forest get out of here only to be met with another howl but much much closer this time I do not like that I'm I was also almost picturing like a werewolf where it's just like Galloping like on all fours getting closer to them yeah puzzled they stood in fear minutes went by which turned into nearly an hour nothing no sounds No crashing back to silence around the fire they laughed at each other for being so afraid and returned to fun talking about life telling jokes

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being dudes in the woods my uncle got up and wanted to see what would happen if he knocked on wood wood knocking is what we grew up knowing as a clear indication of Bigfoot in the area a large piece of wood would be banged hard against a tree sending an echoing sound into the surrounding Forest deep and loud each knock startling the group he kept going knock knock then he listened for a moment and knocked again knock knock nothing he sat back down then just as I began to talk to one another the peace and quiet was met with loud knocks back knock knock knock they heard in the distance then a pause then again knock knock scared shitless they got up out of their chairs and stood Frozen in time yet again this was real looking at each other they turned around and booked it into the cabin as they got through the cabin doors and the door closed behind them the door muffled the

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sound of a deep howl oh God close to them accompanied by crashing trees you're right it is like running but not here this Frozen and fear in fear sure what to do because they had no Escape Route no vehicles for kilometers so they just waited the crashing stopped and was back to silence again when suddenly something hit the door to the cabin and hit it hard it was not a body but from the window they could see a piece of wood clearly taken from a falling tree Jagged at both ends just laying on the ground outside of the door one of his friends ran to the box in the shed that housed old tools and found Nails he then used his shoe to hammer Nails into the door locking them inside but better to be locked in than whatever was outside trying to get in minutes passed everyone Frozen with fear not a word said by any they stood

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waiting then again a large piece of wood was wailed at the cabin this time at the back then again they heard heavy objects hitting the cabin to the left boom then a moment would go by then something would hit the front boom then these cells sounds ringing in their ears as they battled fight or flight and thank God they chose freeze howling could be heard as it echoed through the trees up the mountains around them and Into The Valleys below howl after howl each one just as close as the other than silent nothing at all not a sound in the woods but Wind Through tree branches unsure of what they encountered not a soul talked but they all thought the same exact thing Bigfoot they didn't sleep that night and then when night turned in today and Sun washed in through the windows of the cabin they decided let's pack up and go they pried open the door and they opened it into daylight just to be met with the aftermath of their fearful night around the cabin were large pieces of trunks of trees Jagged on either end dents around

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the cabin from these two trunks being thrown at the cabin with such Force trees around the cabin broke completely in half scattered around showing the path made by whatever was present around them at night they hiked out returning to their vehicles never to enter that location again when asked what my uncle thought was there that night he said without hesitation and with fear in his eyes Bigfoot the words coming out of him like poison it's clear the night haunts him there are many that don't believe the story and think it's just another told to scare listeners but my uncle a religious man tells the story with fear each word broken by shallow breathing and he turns white like a ghost every time he tells it I like to think that Bigfoot and his family have other foots I love that other foot we're having dinner enjoying a lovely meal and they're done when they smell the delicious smell of hot dogs and my uncle decided to start some with them dad foot was mad and had to take care of

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the problem for Mom foot in the baby foot and was ready to F Uncle Tom's day up for ruining their nice meal how dare Uncle Tom mess up the Bigfoot dinner party so that's how my family has come to know Bigfoot personally I'm a Believer and have been since I could talk thankful to say that Bigfoot is a long-standing part of my life my father and I share new stories videos castings and more with one another I haven't had any stories up in Alberta but I returned to Vancouver Island yearly each time watching my back as I Traverse down mountains and Hike Old Logging roads I grew up on I know they're out there you can read my story on the Pod and if you do I'll probably pass out because Bigfoot is life stay safe don't knock back at Bigfoot see you on the other side h oh my God H wow I'm blown away I want to be invited over for a month-long stay and I want to go Bigfoot hunting with you I want to go find castings I want to go knock on

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trees and then run for my life into account okay here's here's my pitch crin right now like the the live-action Little Mermaid just came out so we should start a live action opposite of Little Mermaid where it's you and I want to be where the Cryptids are and we post videos of us singing our rendition of that song to all the various Cryptids but from the locations where they are on megaphones bigfoots are do you hear us you know where I don't want to be out and where the mermaids are stomping climbing Harry as beasts and uh wow good [Laughter] well I mean if the last email was any indication maybe they just use it as a little toothpick a little palette cleanser between their meals but it is so I mean it's just a wild that I get it

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I get that Uncle Tom he was taunt what they would view as taunting and threatening behavior right because we don't know Bigfoot Language so maybe knocking on the trees and doing that sort of thing is very much like an aggressive move kind of like when you smile and point at a monkey and we think of that as like haha like fun and funny humorous but monkeys are like oh my gosh a vicious attack what if to Bigfoot that is something that's like a vicious attack it's like an attempt at taking over a territory that belongs to these other bigfoots and other foots right so I understand the aggression and the strength and and the display of aggression with the knocking of the trees and banging on the house like if Bigfoot wanted to get in there the fact that it snapped trees in half it could have right I understand nailing the door shut if that cabin had Windows it would have gotten in it could have used I imagine it did they said

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they looked out and saw the piece of wood out front so like it could have went like it intentionally didn't break in it intentionally was just trying to scare them it was a warning because if it wanted to break in it would have broken in and also I could I have to Uncle Tom and to the rest of the group what was your plan if Bigfoot had broken in through a window and you could no longer use the door because you bolted it shut good question trapped in not the thought it through no it's fear you're so fearful wow oh my God I want to go to Vancouver Island we've got a lot of trips to make Bear Lake forbidden what was it forbidden forbidden plateau and we have to be amphibious and fabulous everyone here is amphibious and fabulous you're so great thriving to be we love you so much love you lots you know the should be

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