Are the Men in Black Real? | UFOs, Timeline Glitches & Government Conspiracies (x343)

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gifted and talented education program.

Oh, [ __ ] That's a conspiracy theory.

They did these hearing tests, but they would play weird frequencies. Hearing tests, it's the beeps. They don't play frequencies. That's the Gateway Tapes.

Very spooky.

Hello.

Hello.

We are adorning our tin foil hats today.

Yes, we should put some on. This is Two Girls One Ghost.

Two Girls One Ghost. One day we will have said hats.

Until then

[laughter]

It's on our list.

This I almost said this is Two Girls One

[laughter]

Until then, this is still Two Girls

Until then,

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we've still lost We still only have one brain cell.

[laughter]

Maybe the tin foil hats will like cook our brain cells in like popcorn and make them duplicate.

Yeah, that would be great.

What if all of a sudden

like severely need it.

[laughter]

I need something.

in womb has stolen some brain cells.

I've never been pro-lobotomy, but I start to understand why people might question if it could do something for you.

Oh, I'm always pro-lobotomy in the sense of that like I'm so mentally unwell that when people are like, "What do you mean?" I say like, "Probably a lobotomy."

[laughter]

I I think I I definitely do.

Yeah. I mean like we're not actually advocating for it, but

No, no, no, no, no.

But, you know

But actually I would have been one of those women.

Brian [laughter] and I when we were in Boston for the baby moon, I had never done the swan boat ride. I'd never done a lobotomy, so let's do [laughter] it. We've never done lobotomies, but I was like, "We are like this is our first time like actually kind of like being tourists in Boston, and not being residents of Boston. So I was like let's

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do the touristy thing. Like we've never done the swan boat. So we went and we were standing in line for the swan boat. And I'm like obviously extremely pregnant. And I'm standing in front of these three women women, but like girls. Like I think they were like fresh out of college. And they were having a full conversation about like whether they thought that they could handle having kids or not and pregnancy. And then they're getting all into like but you hear horror stories of women who have kids and feel no attachment to the baby when they come out. And they were going like deep into all the things they've heard about postpartum. And Brian and I are standing there completely silent. [laughter] And then like I glance over to him and he's looking at me like worried that like about me. I almost turned around and was LIKE IT DOES HAPPEN PRETTY FREQUENTLY [laughter] more than you would expect. Let me tell you about my last [laughter] one. But it was like he was concerned looking at me and I just looked at him. I was like oh my god.

[laughter]

I was on the brink of it. I was just trying to enjoy the day and they're like oh man postpartum. Wait, well how was

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the swan boats? It was great. I've always wanted to get to get very close to the little ducklings cuz they're just like chirping around. At my soccer league the geese are on the field. And like it's one of the rules is like they literally say one of the rules is try not to hurt the geese. But like it's like they're just there. And I felt so bad there was one time I'm shocked that that's the rule and not avoid the geese cuz the geese will hurt you. Well, this is what I'm going to say. So there was one time where the ball went off the field towards the geese and I it was a throw-in. So I had to like go get it. And it was towards geese and their baby geese. And you know how they get literally I was I was like approaching I was like I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And then the mommy geese was And I was like [snorts] I'm going to die. Yeah. Swan boat good. Geese bad.

[laughter]

But also I don't want to encounter a swan. They're also scary.

True. there for the ducks.

Okay, the conspiracy here is I don't know. We're crazy.

[laughter]

We have one brain cell.

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But we were like, okay. We've talked about so many different types of conspiracies like the Gateway Project or like CIA projects or we recently did Yeah, the Philadelphia Experiment, things like that. Men in Black. We were like, what if we have listener stories that kind of like feed into or back up some of these conspiracy theories.

And so that is the theme of today's encounters, conspiracies.

Mhm.

And I will start.

Anyway, it was hard for my mind to wrap around like what could be a conspiracy cuz in a sense all of the paranormal [laughter] But I was like, no, I need to like go based on like the chart that someone who's a non-paranormal consumer

Yeah.

would be like, oh yeah, that's a conspiracy theory.

Well, I started with the Gate program.

Ooh, [ __ ] Even

straight to it. Because when they covered Gateway Tapes, everyone was like, oh my gosh, we need to dive into the connection to the Gate program.

of my favorite episodes ever.

Thank you. I think it was a lot of people's favorites, too. It was a good one.

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It was so good.

Our episode was your It was your It was your research. We did it. We did it together. I can't do this without you. Like literally. [laughter] I would be talking to

you At this moment you could.

No. No. The brain's not contributing much. It's enough for me.

[laughter]

I'll take you.

Just being polite.

We Yeah. We'll weaken up Bernie's view if we need to.

[laughter]

That's kind of what we're doing.

Okay.

GATE program

So this is from our listener Leila and it is called Gate Experiments, Funky Dreams and then a little bonus, Haunted Tattoo Shop. Hi Sabrina. Hi Corinne. It's Leila from Alaska. Since my last email, I've been doing some looking into the Gate experiment and I think I might have been a part of them. I just finished listening to the episode where Corinne went to the rodeo in Houston, and as someone who rodeos up here in Alaska and also shows pigs very similar to the cow show that you saw. I want to reassure everyone that the livestock is treated better than the cowboys and cowgirls that ride them. They're very pampered. Anyway, here are

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my stories. The GATE experiments, the gifted and talented education program. They were done from the late 1970s to about the mid or early 2000s. I've seen varying dates from the beginning and end of this program. However, there are mentions of it going as far back as the 1920s. Along with varying dates, I've also seen varying accounts of what people have been through and experienced. But, I'm going to share what I experienced and how it has affected me in the years since. I used to live in this little armpit town in northwestern Washington state. Supposedly, where Bigfoot lived. Which is a whole other thing. Before we moved, this town had a total of like 800-ish people. Small enough that almost everyone was somehow related to a good half of the people there. And if you weren't related to someone, you at least knew them. This will all be relevant. In elementary school, from about kindergarten to second grade, all of my classmates and I would be pulled out of class for a little while to get our hearing and our reflexes checked by members of the community. Now, normally, as far as I could tell, this was legit. They'd have

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us stand in line, we'd read letters, check our eyes, give us hearing tests, tap around our knees with the little triangle hammer thing, etc. And our teachers always claimed they did this because not every family had access to these resources or could afford to have them done. So, the school provided them with opportunity. Except, there were several times where it was just me and maybe four other people who would be pulled out of class and given odd tests. Every time we were asked to do these tests, it was run by people I didn't recognize. People who didn't do the other normal tests. And again, I knew damn near everyone in that town. Still, they did these hearing tests with large headphones, but they would play weird frequencies. They would have us answer very odd, very open-ended questions and identify difficult patterns. There were also several times they would bring us and we'd be given reading or math tests that were way harder than what we were working on in class at the time. I was never good at math, still not good at it today. But the writing was super easy to me. But I remember every day that I would have these classes, I would have a

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string of really weird dreams.

Ooh.

I would randomly dream of an entire random day from start to finish and then have every single event happen in real life a few days later.

What in the world?

I would dream about how that day was going to go down to a T. I would also have other weird dreams as well. Most of them I can't remember now, but what I do remember is that most of them would make me wake up in a cold sweat. Since looking back into the gate experiments, I've been having weird dreams and occurrences start up again.

I'm so curious if this person was friends with the other people that were pulled out of class and if they ever talked about what they're experiencing.

I don't know, cuz it was only like four people.

Right.

Yeah. Okay, so the following are kind of a set of diary entries after the few odd dreams that I've had the past few weeks. These are the ones I remember the best after waking up. Entry one. Last night I had a dream that I was in a white room. No windows, no doors, no shadows, just stark, sterile, white walls. There was also no noise. It was all so still that I remember panicking because it was so eerie, too quiet. I remember

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pounding on the walls screaming because I wanted out. The vibes were going downhill quickly and I just remember that feeling of I shouldn't be here. Like something was telling me that if I stayed any longer I was going to die. I remember like the longer that I was there and the more that I pounded on the walls, the heavier my arms started to feeling. Like it was harder and harder to use them. My arms started moving slower and slower. I started to feel like my legs couldn't hold me up any longer and I just remember collapsing on the ground. It wasn't long until I couldn't move at all. My whole body felt way too heavy. Like I didn't have bones anymore. I was just like a lifeless puddle. I really

Or were where were to astral project, or were you in like

double layered alien layer?

Yeah. I don't really remember anything after that other than jolting awake laying in a really weird position. Normally I'm a pretty reliable side sleeper, but this time I woke up on my back with my legs and arms spread out like a starfish. And I was really sore. Like as if I had done both leg day and arm day at the gym the day before. Entry one. Which feels like a testing

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facility.

It does.

Entry two. I was out in the woods this time. I don't know where in the woods, but it was dark. Really really dark. And I could feel like eyes were watching me from all around. Like there were just creatures sitting in the trees watching me. I couldn't see them, but they could see me. I remember walking or I don't know, floating. It felt like I didn't have legs, but I remember starting to move one way or another. I knew I wanted to get away from the eyes, but I didn't know where to go to be safe. I remember moving through the trees, but the feeling of the eyes never left. The feeling of someone watching me made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. And again, after that I don't remember anything. But when I woke up, that feeling of eyes watching me never truly went away.

Hm.

Entry three. I don't really remember waking up. I also don't really remember ever being asleep. So I don't know how else to explain it other than being in this place where I remember trying to fall asleep and then all of a sudden I was here in this dream. I'm also not sure if I was dreaming. But I do remember I was on my back again. I'm a side sleeper, so this is odd. And

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I was looking up at my ceiling, but I was not able to move. I wasn't overly concerned about it in the beginning, but I also didn't feel like my emotions were my own. It felt like someone planted them there. And it was this artificial calm. So like I couldn't feel my emotions, but I could tell that it was wrong. I remember the only thing I was able to move was my eyes. I tried looking around my room to try to place what was going on, and that is when I saw something in the corner of my room. I don't know what it was, but from what I could see it looked almost like a shadow person. Its shape and outline were very wispy, like it was made of black smoke with white wisps for eyes. I remember seeing it try to reach out and touch me without ever moving. It didn't move any closer, but it was like the room shrank so that it could reach me.

Mhm.

That artificial planted calm also never lifted. So even though like I felt a panic deep inside of me, that calm was the main feeling. The only other thing I remember about this was that I felt like I could hear it whispering, but I don't

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remember what it was whispering. After it was done whispering, I woke up and it was light outside and I had no idea if I was dreaming or awake or what the hell was happening. I really don't know what's happening in these dreams, but I do know that I prayed over my room after that and read verses and passages from my Bible that I keep on my bedside table. And whatever that shadow thing was hasn't been back yet. But it's so weird like ever since redoing like research into it,

Yeah.

the dream started again. And then I just keep like going in my mind like what is this priming people for? Like this doing these advanced math Like it almost feels like you're in the space brought in as a kid doing these advanced math problems and listening to these weird tones and like doing all this sort of stuff to see if you're susceptible to something to then like go on to the next level or be invited somewhere. But it's almost like it doesn't matter. Like the hypnosis essentially happens there. And then what? They're just

They're studying you in the astral plane or something.

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I don't know.

Oh, it's so It's so creepy.

Well, if it is related to the Gateway programs, which I feel like there's so many similarities that it kind of feels like they are, but if you remember in the Gateway Tapes episode, we were talking about how they would like kidnap kids and do such a variety of tests, but they evolved over years. Like they realized they could do it differently and then they took to schools to find the perfect victims. And Layla I almost said Alyssa cuz Alaska and Leila.

[laughter]

A Leila. Leila was the perfect subject.

Dang.

Okay. So then for the next story, all names have been changed to protect privacy. It's a little bit more light-hearted, less conspiracy. The tattoo shop that I go to is haunted. I was there for a new tattoo a few days ago and the front door kept opening and closing by itself. Which these are push doors and they're a little heavy, so the aggressive Alaska wind cannot just blow them open. Throughout the 4 and 1/2 hour tattoo appointment, the doors opened and closed probably a dozen times.

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At the end of the appointment while I was getting the second skin put on my fresh ink, the door opened again and I commented to my artist about the spooky shop ghost, fully meaning it as a joke. And the artist and I are relatively good friends, so we'll trade little jobs now and then. When my artist said that the doors opening was because of Crystal, the legit ghost of the shop that they have named, Crystal. She apparently was an old customer who used to come into the shop and apparently didn't start getting tattooed until later in life when she was like 80s and she was diagnosed with stage four cancer. I was told that she was a super fun adventurous person who wanted to try to make the most of life despite sadly the little time she had left. So this is

Can you imagine going and starting your whole tattoo journey at 80?

At 80, I love that.

Yeah, that's that's great.

So part of this like end of life thing that she did was getting a full sleeve of tattoos. She had both of her legs done, even got a few face tattoos.

Get it, meemaw.

And I was told that during one of her appointments when she was getting tattooed that she told everyone that

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when she passed, she was going to haunt wherever they went in case the shop ever moved. Because being with those tattoo artists was where her happy place was.

Aw, that's so sweet.

Chad said that after she passed due to her cancer, they would come into the shop to find drawers open, storage toolboxes moved, the bathroom sink faucet would turn on by itself, lights would flicker, the front door would open and close by itself along with a host of other things. So, they think it's Crystal. So, on my way out after my appointment, I also said goodbye to Crystal and said, "Have a great day. Don't pick on Chad too much." But yeah, that's my last story. Love you guys so much. See you on the other side. Layla from Alaska.

Dang. Now, okay. Well, Layla clearly is experiencing a lot in a different variety of things. But now I'm so curious if Layla did the full Gateway Tapes, what would happen? I feel like these experiences are so scary. Like I wouldn't want to

Sure.

That's the thing is like hearing tests, it's the beeps.

Yeah.

They don't play frequencies. That's the

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Gateway Tapes.

Mhm.

Someone actually sent me a DM the other day and was like, "Hey, I just listened to your episode on the Gateway Tapes and like heard you talking about your experiences with them and it made me want to try them. But now, can you tell me where you downloaded them from cuz I'm scared I'm going to download the wrong one and like someone's going to like have put their own frequencies and like [ __ ] with my head." And I didn't even think of that.

never something I thought about.

[gasps]

And I was like, "I don't know the ones I've been doing, what if that's what's happening?"

No, but you've been having fun experiences.

having fun experiences, but what if it's programmed the Tape Six? That's the next one I'm going to do and next thing you know, I'm Manchurian Candidate.

[laughter]

The full Gateway Tapes could be the same, you know.

That's true.

Some people have great divine synchronous experiences and others don't.

Stay tuned.

[laughter]

But didn't you link where you got them

Mhm.

in that episode?

I'm pretty sure I put like the Google Drive link in the episode show notes and

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they're on Spotify. You can search the Gateway Tapes mhm if you have a Spotify membership, you can listen to them for free.

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other worldly

Okay, so I was desperately searching our inbox for an Area 51 related

Mhm.

story, but we don't have any. The few that we did get, we already read.

More people need to go to Area 51 and tell us what happened.

Yeah. So, just in adjacent to that, which is aliens and UFOs, which I guess in my mind I'm like, that's not a conspiracy, but it it kind of is.

Yeah.

Some people fully don't believe, and then it wasn't until recent years, in the past few years, that government agencies and whatnot have started to come out and say, "No, there really is

Yeah, and they're declassifying things.

Yeah.

So, it definitely qualifies.

So, it's like a a newer conspiracy theory that still has a ton of conspiracy around it, because people are like, "Okay, well, why are we

There's still a lot of unknowns.

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And I also feel like there's a million conspiracies wrapped up with all of the UFO and alien news, because every single time anyone publicly says something about

Mhm.

aliens or UFOs, they're like, "Okay, well, what else is happening in the world that they're trying to distract us

From.

So, that's my justification

You don't have to justify to me. I'm

[laughter]

Also, any excuse for alien stories, I'm

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, this is called Otherworldly. Hey ladies, first off, I love your podcast. You two are a couple of funny badass [ __ ] Don't change a thing.

Funny boo-boos over here.

[laughter]

Wait, actually I kind of like that. We're funny boo-boos. Love Honey Boo Boos. They said No, I know. That's just what my brain went to.

I was like, am I glitching? Am I hallucinating? [laughter] Second, I work in an oil field and I spend most of my day driving between locations. So, what do I listen to? You.

Us.

[laughter]

This story is not about ghosts, but it is about aliens. I was about 7 or 8

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years old when this took place. So, this was back in the '70s. So, yes, I am old as [ __ ]

[laughter]

No.

No. No.

No.

I fell asleep on the couch one night and my parents just let me be. They went off to bed and then sometime later, we all awoke by a loud crash and slam. The front door had come open, slammed against the wall, and my dad figured it was just some freak wind or something and then closed the door and locked it. We all went back to bed and this time I was in my room. Within 30 minutes, the same loud crash and slam. The door had blown, quote unquote, blown open again, but this time my dad closed it and locked it and moved the recliner over in front of the door. I was kind of scared and I remember my dad being visibly shaken as well. So, then we all go to bed again. I laid in my bed afraid to close my eyes. My room was on the back side of the house and the way my bedroom was situated, the moon shined through my window onto the wall.

Spooky.

All of the sudden, I see a shadow moving across my wall.

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There was something walking outside. I knew there was nothing tall enough out there to put a shadow on my wall where I was. So, I ran to my parents' room screaming, terrified. They checked my room. My mom looked at my window. My dad went out to the backyard. Everything seemed in place. I remember both my parents being pretty shaken by the events, but we all went back to bed again. I wasn't about to get back into my room, so I did go sleep on the couch.

[laughter]

The next morning, we're all in the kitchen getting ready to eat breakfast, and my parents were listening to news on the radio. All they were talking about were the UFO sightings by airline pilots at the regional airport the night before. My parents looked at each other horrified, and then looked at me. I knew they had to be thinking that I really did see something at my window.

Now, I'm so curious like who else was impacted? Like what other like weird phenomenon was happening?

I know, especially like the door getting blasted open, too. It's like

Like bursts of energy.

Right. So, was that like was someone

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else getting abducted, and they were just like nearby enough that when they got like beamed up and like thrown back down or something, that was the door? I remember my dad going to the front door to get the newspaper, and he came back in and was white as a ghost. My mom asked what was wrong, and he took her hand and led her to the door. I, of course, had to follow. And in our yard were three burn marks in a triangle shape. In the days following, I remember my parents talking to neighbors and other family about the whole incident, and they believed that aliens actually landed in our yard and possibly tried to enter our house. I have no idea if my parents ended up speaking to the police or any type of authority. It was a long time ago.

My gosh.

Anyway, hope you enjoyed my story from Dave.

Dave, I loved your story. Aliens landed in your backyard.

The aliens in my yard.

This reminds me of there's like we've definitely talked about this before, but

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in the town over from where I grew up in New Jersey, they have like the one of the largest hot air balloon festivals.

Mhm.

And every summer, it's every July, so every summer, you'd go and you'd watch them all like take off from this massive field, like hundreds and hundreds of hot air balloons. And then you'd go home and throughout the day, like we had walkie-talkies, and we'd walkie-talkie like each other in the neighborhood be like, "The Energizer Bunny's going down in so-and-so's backyard." And we'd all like sprint over there and watch it like

fun.

basically crash down in their backyard.

And the people just like awkwardly on it like, "Hi." And the basket.

radioing to their their van that would come pick them up. Yeah, but

Alien version.

Aliens.

Who's to say that Dave and his family didn't actually get abducted and are just missing time? Cuz they keep going back to sleep.

That's interesting.

going to bed.

time glitch

Okay, so we have two options. And we're both of them are going to get read, but you're saying lost time.

Uh-huh.

I have a lost time story, or I have a Men in Black story.

Let's do Men in Black. Or no, let's do Never mind.

Okay, well, I'll do the time glitch.

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Okay, that's what you said first. That was your first gut.

And this it's conspiracy because our listener sent us this story, then listened to an episode of ours, and was like, "Wait a second. Did me and this listener experience the same thing at the same time?" And like, this is what happened. So it's a piecing together of a conspiracy.

Ooh.

The subject line is death, timeline jump, glitch, imagination, dream, you tell me. This is from my listener, Jayden. Hello to the ladies I've never met, but feel like my besties. My name is Jayden, she/her, yes, you can use my name. So why don't I tell this story besides once in my life? Because the one time I tried to tell it, the further I got into the story, the less I knew what the hell happened to me.

Mhm.

Maybe it was simply a dream, maybe I imagined the whole thing, or maybe I died in another lifetime and popped into the current one I'm living in now. I don't think I will ever truly know, but here it goes. This story starts when I was like 18 or 19 years old. I was a freshman in college at Carroll University in Wisconsin and my roommate

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and I must have been talking about near-death experiences because all of a sudden I was remembering this wild, twisted experience. Here's what I remember. I was somewhere between 16 and 18 years old driving down a dark road. It was winter in Wisconsin. It was not snowing but it was a little hazy. The roads were empty and I was on my way home and I knew exactly where it happened. Being careful for black ice, I was just cruising listening to music and getting ready to approach the same stop sign I have known my entire life. When suddenly I had the sense that my car was spinning. I grabbed the steering wheel tight enough that my knuckles were white and my body was stiff in preparation for impact. Next thing I knew, I was no longer in my body. Like I knew I was still in that car but my mind was pulled into a vision. So I was no longer on this dark road. Instead I was seeing bright white fuzzy memories as if they were captured in a Polaroid picture or an old camcorder.

It sounds like you died.

I could see me, my mom, my dad. I was playing with my sisters, laughing with friends, the sunshine, no fear, only peace, only love. I wasn't worried about

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myself or the car. Just looking at this beautiful life that I never fully got to see from the view I was now seeing it in. When the vision was over, my car was straight, in the correct lane, I was back in my body as if nothing had ever happened.

Uh, this is like did you die and enter a new

That's one of the questions. The rest of the memory is a blur but I remember feeling really confused and surprised and just driving home because what else was I supposed to do? And this is the point where I really start second-guessing myself cuz I cannot answer when this happened or what happened after. I mean, normal teenagers get into near car accidents, tell their family immediately and have it scarred in their brain for a long while but why is it that I feel like I have no absolute definitive recollection of it? Was I daydreaming while I was driving and I got really into the imagery or did it happen and my brain block most of it out out of fear? Was it all a complete dream? Was it a warning from an ancestor telling me to be careful? Or, my new favorite theory your podcast helped me consider is maybe, just maybe,

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I was a teenager driving home in the dark, I hit black ice, my life flashed before my eyes, I died, and my consciousness slipped into a different timeline where the accident didn't happen. Maybe I'm now living the life that I'm in in a different timeline where I got home safe and got to keep living with the hint of that memory. But when I was telling the story to my college roommate, it felt like a factual story as it came into my mind and I was sharing it. Uh but I'm still so confused by it.

Well, it makes me It also makes me wonder like is there anything that is slightly different? Any other memories that are like slightly off? So then, we get an update. The update was sent like a week later.

Okay.

My ghouls, I need to update you. So, I sent the above email to you. This is a story I had only ever shared once before, like I said. It detailed my experience with a possible time shift. Well, emailing it got me in the mood to tell the one other person in my life that would maybe actually believe me. Her name is Sam. She's the one who introduced me to TGOG. Thanks, Sam. Sam and I were getting lunch and I pulled

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this email up to read it to her and her mind was blown. We were both playing with the idea of this timeline jump theory and decided maybe it would be a good idea to ask the universe and my spirit team for confirmation to see if that's what happened. I never explicitly said, "Hey universe, give me a sign." But Sam and I were talking out loud about asking the universe for a sign.

Mhm.

I was also going to be seeing a psychic medium in the next month in July. So, I was like, "Oh, maybe I'll bring it up then." Fast forward. The day after I got lunch with Sam. The day after I read the email to Sam and we asked for a sign or talked about asking for a sign, I clicked on a Two Girls One Ghost episode to pick up where I left off after finishing an episode the day prior. Encounters 195 starts playing. It's Sabrina's 30th birthday episode. 20 minutes in, Percy's story starts. And by the end of the story I'm realizing, holy [ __ ] that is so similar to mine. Percy and I were both freshman in college, driving at night in the dark in the Midwest with the same unexplainable experience. And we both detailed not quite remembering the afterwards.

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Mhm.

Now, to Percy's credit, his seems so much more traumatizing, but it's so weird. Could hearing such a similar story the day after Sam and I talked about wanting a sign be the sign? Maybe Percy and I both really did pass into another timeline and slip into a new one?

Yeah.

After some reflecting, too, I did notice that roughly a year before my car situation happened, one of my closest friendships shifted. Until now I thought maybe we were just growing apart as teenagers do, but in a supernatural twist, maybe it feels like it shifted so dramatically because while we were close in the other timeline, when I slipped into this timeline, we weren't as close. We never got back in touch, but I've always felt a deep connection to her still. So deep that I still have dreams of her and I being on friends, going on road trips, and having parties. So maybe there's another timeline that you also exist in where you and this girl are best friends.

what Okay, wait. What if they didn't die in the car accident that night? They swapped They swapped places.

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Ah.

[sighs]

Swapped timelines. Like you got displaced. You got booted out of your body to take over another version of your body and then cuz then it's like well, if you jump into another one,

Right.

to the consciousness that was there? Is it absorbed? Are you like collecting yourself?

I don't know. And then also like yeah, just because you spun out on black ice doesn't mean you died.

No.

I may be reaching for straws and going into conspiracy zone, but I know you like that [ __ ] too. So [laughter]

We're already doing it. We haven't even gotten to the end of the episode or the email, and we're Now we are. Love you, spooky ladies. Jaden.

Dang, Jaden.

I think

know.

Percy's story is the one where he was like driving home from college and it was around Halloween. Let's see. No, it was in the summer. But like yeah, it was very similar to Jayden's story where they like felt a crash and like really believed that they died but somehow came to.

Damn. Well, this is actually this is reminded me a little bit. I recently saw on Tik Tok there were these two women in the car and they were recording themselves like

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freaking out and being like, are we experiencing a like timeline shift or like glitch in the matrix? Like what is going on? Because they both like these two siblings, two sisters, have a vivid vivid memory of their cousin, so like their aunt's child, passing away and drowning when she was like three. And like 15, 20 years have passed and they recently were saying something about like some sort of event or whatever and one of the relatives said something about like, oh, so-and-so's birthday or like so-and-so will be there. And it was like the cousin who had passed and they're like, wait, what do you mean? Like they were they thought it was like super weird that that person was bringing it up and they're like, why are you saying that? Like she she died years ago. And then all of the family got really upset with them being like, why are why would you say that she died?

Well, that's also crazy. That means like 15 years of life.

Right. And I like just saw it in the comments people were like, did you never see her at family events? Like do you not have any memory of this or like what are what is like the missing piece? Like are there photos of you guys together or

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like at family events and you just have no memory of it because there was some shift. But like, you know, we're recording a lot of episodes ahead of time. So this just happened on social media

in May.

of May.

But this comes out in August. So I don't know if there will be any updates. I think I liked it or saved it. So I'll have to go back and try to see if they've answered any of the questions people

[laughter]

have asked.

I mean, time itself is a conspiracy cuz we know it's a construct that we've made up. We don't know how it works. It's like a whole dimension.

I don't know.

Time is one of those ones that's really hard to

Well, it's hard not to think about it in a linear fashion.

Well, yeah, cuz we need to in order to like survive. But yes, everything happened all at once.

our bodies operate linearly.

That's what we think, but our consciousness doesn't.

We think our bodies do, but

But then would it be the same in space? Like it's a

Girl, I don't know.

Girl.

Girl.

I don't know, but you have another glitch in the matrix story, so let's read it.

And then we'll end with Men in Black.

Perfect.

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glitch in the matrix time travel story

Okay, this is called Glitch in the Matrix Time Travel Story. Hello, ghoulies. My name is M, long time watcher,

so maybe YouTube.

YouTube.

Just

in our homes, [laughter] through the window.

Long time lurker.

Tap, tap, tap.

But first time submission. And I'm very excited to finally be sharing this with you. I have always been connected spiritually to whatever is out there. So, paranormal experiences are not necessarily new to me. I also used to lucid dream every night until I was about 13 years old.

That's a whole conspiracy as well. Like, how do some people lucid dream? How do we get control? When we all fall asleep, where do we go?

we go? Mall World?

[laughter]

I have some wild stories about some of my dreams, but this particular experience is one of the first and strongest that I've ever had. And after

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a specific awakening that I've had in my life, time-related experiences similar to, but not as intense as this, have been a recurring thing in my life.

I'll be able to portray this as best as I can, but it might get confusing given that there are two separate instances that I'm going to talk about. This is called the dream. This originally occurred at the beginning of 2020. I was still living with my parents, and they were divorced, so went back and forth between their houses. This part of the story happened at my dad's house. At the time, I was very into learning how to astral project intentionally, and would often listen to guided meditations before I went to bed.

Okay, um, are you going to teach us?

Yeah, like link

Link the ones that you listen to.

This time, however, when I fell asleep, it felt different. I was wiggling my feet to try to get out of my body, but they wouldn't budge. And in this, quote unquote, dream, I was in control, I was aware. It was similar to what would happen in a lucid dream, but it didn't feel like a dream world.

Mhm.

I was much heavier, much more grounded

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than my dreams feel. I recognized a few things around me as familiar, but the room was different, and I was with someone that I didn't know at the time. The main thing I noticed was a similar glow of the thermostat that I used for my snake's heat pads at my mom's house. [laughter] So, I deduced that I was myself, but I didn't know when or where I was.

Mhm.

In this state, like I said, I was in control of my body, and eventually I was able to speak to the person that was with me. And this whole time there was another set of thoughts in my head. I could understand and communicate with these thoughts.

But they weren't yours.

sharing your brain with someone and hearing and understanding their thoughts, but like they're coming through as your own thoughts.

Telepathy.

But then not being able to control them. I don't remember much else that I could discern from the dream that I had at the time, but that is because I'm mainly remembering this as being on the receiving end of the situation here.

Like you were a visitor in this experience.

Uh

However, the thing I remember so vividly was that when I woke up I did not have

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any dreams after that experience, which was really unusual for me. It was kind of like you blink and you wake up, which has never happened to me outside of this experience. But I was fully rested, very out of touch with reality for a few minutes. And I got out of bed. I'm still out of touch with reality. And instead of going to the bathroom and doing my normal morning routine like I always do, I went straight into the kitchen to get a glass of water. And while I was grabbing my water, I heard someone or something say, "You won't remember this." in my head.

Ew.

I was a little defensive, not going to lie, and I thought something like, "Well, how the hell am I going to forget something like this? That's insane. I'm going to make a point to remember this. You can't stop me." But sure enough, the more I made the point to remember the more I could feel this memory slipping away until it felt like I was grasping at something that was never there to begin with.

That's so creepy.

It was extremely frustrating, and I remember asking, "Why?" to whatever or whoever this was. And I did get a response. "You aren't meant to have this information.

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It will play out differently if you know."

What will play out differently? Life?

You will remember when it happens.

Ominous. Ooh. When what happens?

I still have no idea if this was a spirit guide talking to me, my higher self, me from a different time, some sort of entity, I have no idea. But after I sat down on the couch to collect myself, I just knew that I was forgetting something about my dream, and it was something that was so important. But what that was, I didn't know.

Cuz you weren't supposed to know.

I remembered that I was forgetting something for about a week or so, but then eventually I forgot about the experience altogether. So, I'll be referring to this part of the story as the dream, and the past tense me as my dream self. So, now on to the actual experience.

time that you're supposed to actually now remember it.

Yeah. Fast forward to late 2020. I had a boyfriend that I didn't have previously, and I moved out of my dad's and into my mom's house fully. In this time, I also had moved bedrooms from upstairs into the basement.

Spooky.

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[laughter]

This particular night, I had partaken of uh the marijuanas with my boyfriend at my mom's house, and we were getting ready for bed. I was very zooted, which in hindsight, I think maybe was needed to elevate my consciousness enough for this to take place.

Hm.

I was laying in my bed. My boyfriend went to go shut off the lights. I remember he shut off the lights in my room, and as he did that, I felt weirdly heavy. Almost like dissociative, but not quite. I was still completely coherent, but my spiritual body felt like it was slippery, if that makes sense.

Ooh. Ooh.

Then he went to turn off the lights outside of the room. And as the lights were flipped off, boom. It was like [clears throat] a light switch was flipped for me. Instantly, I was no longer in control of my body. I could see that my eyes were seeing. I could hear what my ears were hearing. I could feel my body physically, but I was trapped. I couldn't do anything. Almost immediately, I remembered the dream, the

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dream that I had forgotten, and everything made sense.

Oh my god.

I didn't freak out. If anything, I was enamored to be having this very unique experience. My then boyfriend came back into the room from what was then a previously awake M to a seemingly sleeping M, and he was asking if I was okay, if I was asleep.

Yeah, which is freaky.

Yeah. He was very sweet about it. And I was trying to tell him that I was in fact and not asleep, but again, I could not do anything. It felt like my consciousness took a literal backseat to my body. It actually felt like my consciousness was at the back of my head.

I'm so curious if eyes were open or closed cuz

Ooh. Oh my god, I'd be having a medical emergency.

Yeah.

I could also sense what my dream self was experiencing and hear my thoughts, what they were thinking, but it was like a separate stream of thoughts in my head.

Like simultaneously you're awake and asleep and experiencing both consciousnesses.

And like too aware of like your own

But trapped in it.

Yes. My dream self was pretending to be asleep, but slightly wiggling their feet. Originally trying to get out of my

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body. I was trying to get dream me to talk to my boyfriend, but I mean, obviously, you're somehow transported into a then unfamiliar environment and then an unfamiliar person, and it's like what the [ __ ] is even happening in this moment? It's going to take me a minute to get adjusted. I also will say I have some social anxiety. And to my dream self, this guy was just a co-worker, but I wasn't really that close to him. Eventually, my dream self was able to mutter out, "I am not sleeping, and I am just really high."

[clears throat]

While we're both trying to figure out what to do in our head. My boyfriend seemed to be okay with that, but did appear to be a little worried. My dream self wasn't all that keen on talking to him, and how could I explain that this was happening?

Oh, this is so weird. It's like a past life version of you is coming through in the future.

Yeah, cuz originally you're like some other guy was there, and I have no idea who it was, and it's your boyfriend of in a few years.

Wild.

Oh my gosh. And the other thoughts are like yours, but you're really high in the future.

Yeah.

Oh. Okay, so everything is making me

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feel like I'm sounding like a lunatic, but I end up pulling so much strength to be able to slightly explain what's going on to him. It felt like I was screaming and pushing with all of my might and willpower to control my body for only a few seconds. I was able to very quickly spit out something like, "I'm not in control of my body right now." I had a dream about this months ago. She's in control. I can't do anything.

imagine also being the boyfriend being like, "What the hell do I do with this?"

[laughter]

She's in control? Are you possessed?

It's literally her from a few months ago.

Yeah.

I immediately got pushed back into my head again, and it was exhausting. He asked me to do something, and my dream self still was not talking to him, so my body was just seemingly asleep again. He, of course, was very confused and very concerned, poor guy. But took it like a champ, followed along with whatever I was saying for the most part. After a few seconds, I was able to push to the front and answer to whatever question it was that he had, and my past dream self was aware and could control

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my body. And it's really hard to be in control, but this is also like so confusing about it's like battling who's in control and who can say what.

It's confusing [snorts] for us, can you imagine what it is

god.

for her to experience? Um, like that's wild.

I remember my dream self being like, "What are you doing? Don't tell him that. I don't want to talk to him." Because I was so shy. And during this time, I was able to explain to my dream self who he was, where we were, that it was okay to talk to him, and my dream [clears throat] self also probably asked me some other questions, which I answered, but I don't really remember specifically. I did shortly after get my dream self to talk to my boyfriend, and she asked questions like who he was, even though I told her. When they started dating, where they were, and this lasted for over an hour, which slowly

is like the parts of it that dream self couldn't remember

Yes.

back then.

And also it explains why she was like things were familiar in the room, like the heating pad and stuff, but like

But different.

But different, cuz she was in the base like converted part of the basement into another bedroom.

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your mom's house, yeah.

Mhm. This lasted for over an hour, which slowly got less and less intense. My boyfriend was so tired, and after ensuring that I was okay, he just kind of went to sleep. Eventually, I was able to fall asleep, too, and I don't remember anything else notable that happened during this time. I'm pretty sure I was talking to my boyfriend and asking questions and figuring out stuff. I also know that I was having conversations with myself about this, too. When I was laying there falling asleep, I remember it felt like my consciousness was falling in between the past, when I was in the dream, and the present, which was really terrifying. I was scared that if I fell asleep, I might not be in the present when I woke up. Here I am today, though. I did wake up in the present.

Well, at least it was with a version of yourself. Like worst case, you freaking Friday with yourself.

It kind of reminds me of the book In Five Years.

Didn't they make a movie of that?

I have no idea. But it's about a girl and she She might have a different boyfriend in each She's like floating between her life five years ago and her present life five

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years in the future and keeps like swapping back and forth.

It's in development right now.

Oh. And Em writes, "I was also with that boyfriend until earlier this year in 2025. So, somehow that did not scare him off. I'm grateful with how he handled it. Thank you for listening. I hope you have a wonderful day, Em."

Wow. And now we get an email from Em's ex-boyfriend. I used to date a girl who

was possessed by her

was possessed by herself.

[laughter]

That is wild. And I've never heard anything like that.

And like battling like you

Yeah. Yourself. Your consciousness battling over who gets to say or do something and who's in control of the main stream of thoughts.

This is like simultaneously making me want to do more of the Gateway Tapes and less of them. Which the more will win, for sure.

Yeah.

Cuz Em was saying that they were doing meditations and like learning how to like lucid dream and get into this Like yeah, do you get mixed up and confused?

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There's some things that we I don't think we're meant to know, and that's why

Yeah.

I don't know, but now I want to do them more.

It Yeah, it is so freaky. And to think that like you can be possessed by yourself, or like you can you can harm yourself like in this weird astral

Right.

state. Like you can get in your own way. Sorry, I have baby moving.

I got something hitting me right here. Pretty weird to have like a living creature inside of you.

Like growing a pair You're growing another pair of balls this this time around. You've grown two sets of balls.

[laughter]

Men can't say that.

I'm more man than any man.

You are. You've created more man than man has created in himself.

the testosterone.

[laughter]

And that's being a woman.

And that's on women.

men in black

Okay, and now we're going to be on Men in Black. Okay, this is a story from our listener Stephanie, who says, "Good morning. I have a super strange story that happened to me and a friend a few years back. I'm now 23, but this happened when I was probably 17 years old. So, here's what I can remember from

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the best of my memory. I'm from a decent-sized town that connects with another town, same school district, and one night my friend and I were driving back to my house from the neighboring town. It was dark. It was late. And the roads are pretty empty usually at this time. So, we're driving back on the backroads, and we turn onto a side road that leads to my house. On this side road, there is a train track that is laid over a bridge. So, train track, bridge, little things underneath the bridge. This bridge is tiny. It's just a tiny dip into the ground like a ditch, maybe with 6 in of water in it. As we're driving, all of a sudden, we see three to six tall men wearing dark suits, top hats, and holding briefcases come from under the bridge running.

Ooh. Ooh, this so feels like a movie scene for Men in Black.

The friend I was with does not believe in anything supernatural or creepy, but he was seeing this, too. And I was so glad he was because if I had seen it alone, nobody would have believed me. We

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got so freaked out and kept driving, but we turned around like 20 seconds later. We're not far away from where we saw these people, but when we turned to look, not a single soul is in sight.

I don't like that.

There was nowhere for them to go.

Cuz they did their weird like wand thing and just slipped into another

dimension?

Yeah.

Yeah. There was nowhere for them to go. There were no cars around. That area is mostly industrial buildings, stuff like that. Also, nobody in my town dresses like that. It was one of the most eerie things that we've ever experienced. And not to mention the feeling we felt. Like the atmosphere was different. To this day, I think about it and I cannot figure out what it is. I got so scared to tell people because I was scared that the men in black would show up to my house or something. Like it felt like we were not supposed to see them. They truly looked like the men from the government you hear stories about that show up to your house to threaten you or whatever. So, yeah. I don't know. Were they ghosts? Did we hop dimensions? Are we men in black?

It's interesting because it's like the Men in Black's whole stick is them being worried about you seeing something that

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you shouldn't have, but it feels like seeing them just warrants a Men in Black visit.

Right?

Like they're also weird.

It's so scary.

Now this is making me want to get more emails from people like security guards, like people who are watching cameras.

Mhm.

Like have you seen weird stuff happen on the camera? Do you just peruse CCTV and something like this gets like flagged or something?

Well, I mean we recently did like a video camera evidence one. But then there's like so many things that get missed, too.

Right.

Also, there's people who have cameras on their cars all the time. Yeah.

At the like email them city. Hey, something weird happened in the warehouse area.

Well, now I'm also very curious cuz it's not totally clear from this email, like were they running under the bridge away from them or running through the bridge towards them? Because if they were going under the bridge, like maybe the bridge is a portal, like you're saying, like they like were zapping into another world, but they were running under.

I thought that they were like kind of next to the bridge, and they were witnessing them run like away and under.

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Yeah, I don't know.

And then just not pop out the other side.

I don't know. And who What are they running from? What did they steal from our dimension?

Yeah.

[gasps]

Ooh, running away from the bridge, what if the weird lizard creature is going to come out?

Now I want to go to that bridge.

Now you want to go there?

Yeah, just set up a little like lawn chair.

But what are the chances that they go back to the same spot?

But if that's their portal where they come and go, or even if it's a portal in general, what else can come and go from there?

Oh, see, I was thinking of it more of like a Doctor Strange style portal where like they don't just exist in a specific space. It's more of like you create it wherever you want. Like you're a little looper. Like you jump through.

But like it has to be like a bridge space.

Got to go pick up our Starbucks and portal over there.

And why did they have to go under the bridge? Maybe it just happened while they were running under. They're like an obstacle course.

to Maybe they needed cover.

Mhm.

And then portal themselves out.

know, and this is why it's conspiracy theories.

No, conspiracies are great. I like want to go to my phone and be like, "Okay, let me read the next one." But I like that's it for now.

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For now. For now. And we actually have an up- upcoming topic, time glitches, cuz I think we we're both like, "Wait, we want more of stories like this."

we've created our whole And

We love weird things. We've created our whole lives and business around it. So much so that we did this.

like we have enough stories to like keep doing stuff like this. People keep emailing, which is good. Keep Keep on sending them.

That's the message. That's the That's what we should end on. If you have any encounters, any like if you were in the GATE program and are feeding into this conspiracy and you're like something weird was happening, if you have any conspiracies, seen Men in Black, been abducted by aliens, had a glitch in time, I don't know, were a part of the Philadelphia Experiment, whatever it may be, please email them to us cuz we want want to know more.

And you can join us over on Patreon for a a of exclusive benefits. You can also subscribe. If you don't want to do Patreon, although Patreon has more perks, you can get ad-free and one week early episodes by joining Apple Plus, YouTube,

all the things.

All the things. Rate and review us. Tell your friends about us because that's the

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pyramid scheme and that's how we get more of you to listen and more stories. Yay.

And thank you to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie.

Jamie. We love you.

And we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.