REAL Ghost Caught on Camera 15,000 Times?! | The Polaroid Ghost & Glassell Park Haunting (Ep 367)

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Full on messages appearing on these photos. Words, symbols, clues to a possibly buried body in the backyard.

[gasps]

And over the course of 30-plus years, more than 15,000 photos have been captured, and not a single person has been able to debunk it. This is a very strange, but oh so magical haunting of Glatzel Park and the Polaroid ghost named Wright.

Very spooky.

Hello. Hello. This is Two Girls One Ghost.

Two Girls One Ghost.

And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

Hello.

I'm Sabrina.

And this just in.

recent Bigfoot sightings & Undertone

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What's in?

Brian texted me. I'd already been seeing like bits and pieces of this online. There have been, from March 6th to March 10th, a surge in Bigfoot sightings in Northeast Ohio. So, someone out there knows something.

Who's got a private jet? Let's go. Let's [laughter] go to Ohio. Instead of like a normal commercial flight.

There's it's like crazy. It's really close together. And I was reading about it's like basically this 120-hour span of multiple Bigfoot sightings.

Of just people

Like all around the state.

also times out with like how nice the weather's been the last couple of days. Like, I'm showing leg, y'all.

Yeah. If you're watching. Maybe.

Maybe even Bigfoot's like sunbathing.

Right? Well, there was this one um article about this this woman and her daughter that were in their car driving, and then the creature like was in the road or like passed by in the road, and it was so close that if the daughter had rolled down the passenger side window, she would have been able to reach out and touch Bigfoot.

Also, there's a Bigfoot in my Jeep coming.

that. I was I thought that's where you

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were going with

No, it's just Bigfoot. And we're in Bigfoot season.

[laughter]

Finally, the world is healing.

Bigfoot is like entering a war. Bigfoot's

entering Bigfoot, man.

Finally making appearances. And it's like, you know what? I've been mysterious for so long. It's finally time to sit down and have an interview.

Yeah. And oh my god, what if we got to be the first people to interview

Bigfoot.

Bigfoot, if you're listening, this is our audition. We would love to interview you.

I actually was just thinking because when I go on maternity leave, we were talking about how like we probably won't be able to actually realistically record everything ahead of time and potentially bringing in some other guests. And I was like, what if I had to do one without you? Being in here, I like pictured like putting on the wig on Sven, dressing dressing Sven in like your clothes and pretending like true delusion.

Oh, like literally just you alone with me, but yes.

Yes.

But then like

Like Weekend at Bernie's.

Yeah. And then like pretend that your

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voice is responding. Like have a full-on conversation.

Okay, so like Lars and the Real Girl.

Mhm. We were not going to do that, but

I mean, I would actually love to see it.

[laughter]

It was like, I think that's what I would have to do. I don't know how to like hold a conversation by myself.

Oh, man. That's hilarious. I would love to see it. Who else would love to see that?

[laughter]

Speaking of seeing things

Mhm.

or hearing things

seeing and hearing things. I went to go see such a scary movie

that is so It felt like the movie was about us. Like, you know that like Tik Tok like, is this about us or whatever?

That Euphoria, is this play about us?

play about us? Like, that's literally how it felt. It is called Undertone. It's A24's new horror film. All about a girl who's taking care of her like dying mother, but she's podcasting with someone across the world. He's in London. she's at home with her family. And every night they record the podcast cross country, cross world, whatever, with headphones

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on. And it's a podcast about the paranormal. And I mean, it's very, very scary. It's like a It's a sound horror.

Mhm. They're slating it as the scariest movie you'll ever hear.

And they deliver.

Dang. I've had multiple people text me being like, this is so TGTG coded. Like, this feels like Two Girls One Ghost. And I didn't see the movie. You went to like a screener of the movie.

Yes, it was very nice. They invited They invited both of us to go see it.

Surprise, surprise, I didn't show up.

And I was supposed to go with Ash from Morbid cuz her and I are watching Summer House every Wednesday. We do like Wednesday night Summer House. But it happened to be on Wednesday, so I was like, "Oh, Ash, do you want to come with me to this movie instead?" And then we ended up having to cancel. But I was like, "I still want to see it. Am I brave enough?" I'm trying to do things by myself. So, I went, which is

so brave, especially given that it's a sound horror. And you went at night, and then you had to walk home home.

[clears throat]

I literally was in the theater cuz it was also one of those Dolby theaters. So, like, you're it's surround sound. It

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almost felt like the seats were shaking. It almost felt like 4D. But there were multiple times during the movie that I was going like this, like plugging my one ear

[laughter]

cuz it was so loud.

Yeah, cuz that's also the thing. It's not just about like closing your eyes. It's like

Right. You can't just close your eyes and be like, "I don't know what's happening. I don't know what those sounds are."

No, it was It was like sound I think sound horror is worse than anything.

Yeah. Well, I don't know the full plot and exactly what happens, but I think in the trailer, because they insinuate that like the girl's being sent these audio recordings and like the guy is this podcasting is like encouraging her to listen. I was like, "Oh, this feels like you showing me EVPs." I'm like, "I don't think we should be listening to this." And you're like, "But there's a demon on here. We got to."

Well, thank goodness I didn't see the movie before we did episode 365 or

Was that the one with the drowning

stuff? Yeah. Oh, 63. Episode 63. That just came out. Because I think I would have gone into that very differently.

Yeah.

Yeah, cuz the concept is a listener of

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their podcast the undertone sent them an email with like 10 audio files. But it's warned not to listen to all 10.

Did you just have to pick and choose?

No, no, no. They listened to all 10. Cuz it's like a story.

Like a

You have to listen to all

the system or it's like I listen to five, you listen to five and we tell each other about what happens on the other tapes?

I don't know. Do you want to risk it?

[sighs and gasps]

No, but I'm just wondering

[laughter]

is that possible?

Always looking for a cheat code.

Yeah. How do I not get haunted but still get the content?

[laughter]

How do I still experience content?

But anyway, they listen to all 10.

They watch the tape seven days later and tomorrow sucks them into the well.

Yeah, it's like the ring but audio.

Damn.

It's really, really good. It's very scary, very good.

want to watch it, but it's going to be one of those things that I have to watch like in my home with the volume where I can mute it. Hereditary, everyone's like that was such a like crazy, crazy, scary movie.

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Here's the thing, I watched it at home, volume on like level two half the time, so I didn't get as scared.

It's like daylight, sunlight coming in through the windows, yeah.

So that's what I need for this one.

really freaked me out about this movie and I feel like we can relate to you so much is that when we were recording Coast to Country, we would have headphones in.

Yes.

We would be recording all hours either like late at night or early in the mornings. And when you have headphones in, you are kind of shutting out your real surroundings.

Yeah.

Which makes you more on edge.

Yes.

And they do a really good job of capturing how that feels in the movie.

That's great.

Terrifying.

It just reminded me of like we had an episode way back when where we got really scared over like my the started like moving on one of my bags, but that it's it probably was literally nothing. It was probably like a car like a heavy like mail truck or something driving by and the zipper started moving. But, because we were in that situation and that scenario, it does make you more scared.

You're on edge.

Ooh, and now I really want to see the movie.

It's so good.

Polaroid Ghost

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Okay, I'm really excited for today's episode. I don't know how I've never heard of it and maybe you have. We have all heard of spirits communicating through a Ouija board or EVPs or through psychics. But, today I'm going to tell you about a case of a spirit communicating through Polaroid pictures.

Shake it like a Polaroid picture.

What began as a ghostly apparition caught on camera turned into full-on messages appearing on these photos. Words, symbols, clues to a possibly buried body in the backyard.

[gasps]

Ooh, I just got chills.

Yes. And over the course of 30-plus years, more than 15,000 photos have been captured. Not just by one person, multiple people have captured these photos and not a single person has been able to debunk it. Trust me, they have tried.

See, that's what's wild is when you can't debunk certain things like this. Like, we believe in the paranormal, obviously. We think there's a lot that can't be debunked. [laughter] Oh my god, what are we We're almost at like 9 years of being like, "Ghosts are real. Don't you believe them?"

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[laughter]

But, when other people who come in with the like full intention of being like, "There's absolutely no way that this can be real. What's the science? What's everything else?" And no there's no answers.

Oh, I know.

It makes me want to take the Polaroid and smack the skeptics across their faces.

I would love to just smack them.

cuz I don't want to hurt anyone.

There's some people I would love to hurt.

That's true. Anyway, but we'll keep politics out of this.

This is a very strange, but oh so magical haunting of Glatzel Park and the Polaroid ghost named Wright. W R I G H T and also while this does have moments of like scary horror I think right is like maybe top five ghosts we've ever covered in terms of like ghost goals of like the type of ghost I want to be when I die.

Oh wow.

Yeah.

Just chill guy communicating through pictures.

And also like great sense of humor.

Oh shout out Peter from the Conjuring

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house.

Oh yeah you love Peter.

Peter.

And Peter loves you.

Peter are you here? Drop dirt on my head again.

Peter might be haunting here still.

We don't know.

Also shout out to our listener Michaela who on Patreon was messaging us and was like have you guys ever covered this? I was trying to search it and I couldn't find it and I literally abandoned all plans for all the other episodes that I had to make this this [laughter] episode. So great. This starts out with

Glassel Park house & early hauntings

a couple of Johns. John Hukert and his partner John Matkowski. Or little John and big John as they like lovingly referred to themselves.

Yeah.

Like a paranormal partner or a romantic partner?

I think romantic partner.

Oh nice the Johns.

They're so

my friends the Kelseys.

Exactly. The Johns and Kelseys. Um there were a couple reports where they're like they're roommates and I'm like they're roommates for 50 years plus?

Sometimes roommates kiss.

Sometimes. But I do believe that they're partners. Anyway they bought and moved into a house in the Glassell Park area of Los Angeles in the 1980s.

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And as many LA residents are John Hukert well both Johns were artists. They were writers and John Hukert specifically was a filmmaker. He's done a lot of independent films.

Mhm.

But this area Glassell Park was the perfect place to live as an artist. It has long been a place that many infamous artists called home like during the 60s and 70s so many musicians like the Beach Boys roam the streets and John Hukert in an interview was like well there's no record of this but I love to like imagine that the Beach Boys came into this house and like were inspired to write film or write their music. The point being this area has a lot of artistic energy

Mhm.

and has through the years which the Johns do credit to some of like the reason that it's haunted.

Mhm.

Glassell Park is in Northeast Los Angeles tucked into the hills by Echo Park and by Atwater Village. It's a quiet artsy hillside with steep hills, winding streets, small bungalow homes. It has this

Still extremely artsy today. I think

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there's a huge like music scene out there now, too.

It has a very peaceful secluded energy amongst like the sometimes chaotic energy of LA.

Mhm.

Perfect place for the Johns to live. So, they bought the house, they moved in and almost immediately they did start experiencing some hauntings like knocking, like scratches, furniture like just sounds. It was mostly sounds. Electrical issues, doors opening and closing, but like nothing that they couldn't immediately or try to write off as like oh, it's a new house or like we just moved in, we're not familiar with like its quirks. It's on a hill in LA, like the ground is probably shifted over the years, it's an old house. Things that they could write off.

Right. Which so many people do and can.

Yes. But, there were times where it did feel uneasy. So, like late at night they would hear shuffling in the attic. Like and it didn't sound like footsteps, but they kept trying to convince themselves that it was animals like a raccoon got in, you know? Just just having lived in LA and who lives in the attic. And the third [laughter] John.

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So, they don't immediately jump to the paranormal. But, John Hucker I guess like would make jokes being like one day I'm going to prove to you that this place is haunted. And uh Well, that day came. 1992. So, this is now like 12 years after living here, 10 plus years. John Hucker is sitting at his desk when the bathroom door opened on its own. And this is not the type of door you can open easily on its own. It's a old like heavy wooden door that over the years because of the way that the house has shifted they've had to like you kind of have to like pick up and lift

Yeah, to open it.

To the point where it like has like the floor has these like scratch marks from like dragging the door to open it. So not an easy door to open.

No.

It opens on its own. John's like that's weird. Goes and closes the door. Sits back down at his desk.

Mhm.

Almost immediately upon sitting down that bathroom door opens again easily on its own. John who's no stranger to the like ongoings of this house and had

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lived there for some 10 years at this point watches it open again and is like what if this is a ghost? And it didn't help that he got this feeling that something was watching him like literally in front of his face now.

first photo

Beside him was this Kodak Polaroid instant camera that his father had just gifted him for Christmas that year. So John decided to pick up the camera and snapped a photo. The photo that developed shocked him. And we have photos. So for those of you who aren't watching I will describe it to you and we'll post it on Instagram but if you are watching get ready it is well I'll show it to you. What in the world?

Doesn't it look like exactly what a ghost like what we've made like the cartoon ghost to look like someone wearing a sheet. It's like

Well and also they're in a very artsy area of LA like my first thought would be like someone's like this is artwork that someone's making.

It's like a costume.

Totally.

It like reminds

It's like isn't it like Phoebe Bridgers or whatever like all of her albums?

like her album cover.

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It does where she takes like childhood photos and like it puts ghosts on them.

I don't even need to describe the picture. That is the perfect way to describe

what it looks like.

It looks like the most ghost costume-y ghost ever like someone wearing a sheet over their head with eyes and a mouth drawn in like sharpie but it also has this like white mist coming out from different angles, you know?

Mhm.

Which ordinarily I would never like I would default to being like okay well this is obviously not real. But I have a very distinct memory and I know I talked about this in our like when we did our Sabrina part one Sabrina part two current part one whatever where we went through a bunch of our own personal hauntings. But when my family lived in a house in Littleton, New Hampshire and my dad was out of town and I was sleeping in my parents room in bed with my mom. I woke up one night in the middle of the night and a ghost that looked like the cartoon ghost was just floating across the wall. Right. Which now as an adult I'm like is that just like that spirit's way of trying to present itself to me in

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the hopes would be not to scare a child but still be like I'm here but it's terrifying anyway.

Or to like make it clear to you like I am a ghost but this is what you as like a society draw a ghost to look like so I'm going to

It's me Casper. Boo. [laughter]

Your 10-year-old boyfriend. Okay so this photo develops and John has the same reaction. He's like what the heck? He can't believe it. It's like so it feels like a joke.

Yeah.

So he took a second photo and this second photo shows almost the exact same form but it is closer now.

Oh my gosh.

So it's getting closer to him. It almost like

Which at this point I'm like is someone messing like someone messing with the Polaroid pack?

That's his exact thought. So now he's trying to find rational reasoning and he immediately goes okay my dad gifted this camera to me and my dad loves like pranks loves pranks.

Yeah.

He for sure messed with it. So he calls his dad and calls his dad out and is like haha very funny. How the heck did you do this? Like how'd you manipulate it to look like a ghost is on the film?

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And John's dad has no idea what John is talking about. He gave John this camera in the brand new packaging and the film was also like in the packaging. And John Hooker had taken a bunch of photos with the same film the camera prior to this.

Mhm.

And nothing had shown up on those. So, he's super confused. Yes, he believes the house is haunted, but this photo just feels unbelievable. So, he tells Big John, John Matkowski, and he shows him the two photos, and Matkowski's like, "Whoa, like how'd you do this?" Same response, like, "Must be like some art thing that Little John is doing." And John is [clears throat] like

just thinking of the rapper.

[laughter]

And John Huckert says, "No, no, like, I'm showing you this because I don't know how to explain this." And so then they go back up to that room, and Matkowski takes the picture for himself. And he captures something very similar. So, now the two of them are very speechless and have no idea what to do about it. So, they just don't

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do anything. They don't talk to anyone about it. They just move on for a couple of

Weird anomaly. Either the pack or the camera. Totally. Definitely not the house, right?

So, for the next three to four months, the Johns keep quiet about it. Although they start to feel that feeling of someone watching them more often. And eventually, within those three or four months, when they feel that, they would grab the camera and take a photo. Almost half of the time they captured something. At one point they even decided to go buy brand new film to make sure it wasn't an issue with the film.

Mhm.

And still, same thing. About half of their photos would develop this strange misty presence. So, now four months after taking that first photo, they are finally like And I love this so much. They're like, "Let's invite a couple friends over and show them."

Mhm.

So, I imagine that they texted their Well, not texted, they phoned their friends on a landline. And they're like, "Hey, we would love to host a dinner party, like cocktails. Come on over." No

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context, just like let's hang out. They all get there. They're just like, "Oh, we think we're going to hang out." But the Johns sit their friends down.

This is already something you would do.

Oh, for sure. And they're like, "So, we have something to show you all." I'm also picturing the scene in um Modern Family when they bring home Lily for the first time and no one knows that they're adopting and they do the Lion King presentation [laughter] with Lily. So good. But yeah, so they're like, "Okay, everyone sit down. You have your cocktails, great. We have something to show you and it's strange." They present the photos to their friends. And all of their friends are like asking the questions that you you've been asking like

Mhm.

"Oh, cool art thing. How did you do this?" And the Johns are like, "No, no, no. We think there's a ghost in this house and we don't know what to do about it. But we don't want to sit on this by ourselves anymore. We needed to bring our friends in on in on it."

Yeah.

They have the best friends. Their

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friends are like asking a million questions and they're like, "Well, do we think it's here with us right now? Is the ghost here with us?" And after asking that question, someone's like, "Let's take a picture." They ask the question again, "Is Is this spirit here with us right now?" They take a picture. The thing that developed on this photo is something that the Johns had never experienced up until this point. All the previous photos have been like some iteration of a white mist or like the ghost-looking entity. Something else appears on this photo. Three letters that formed a word. Y E S as if in direct direct response to the question of "Whatever you are, are you here now?" Look at this.

"Wright" the ghost & communicating with words

Oh my god.

This is so It's wild.

It like my brain I know. Can't

I know.

Okay, but also Okay, wait. Here's another question. Is the house haunted or is the camera haunted? Cuz I'm like, if they bought a

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whole new Polaroid camera, not just film pack, would they still be experiencing this?

Yes.

Okay, so it's the house, not just the camera. Cuz I'm like, can we take the camera out of

photos that the ghost gave you. Same answer. Yes.

Dang.

So, everyone's obviously shocked, and there's probably skeptics among the group. You know, they're asking questions, but they love their Johns. They're They're not thinking the Johns are pulling a prank, but they're like, there's got to be some explanation.

Mhm.

So, they start

Or they're just like, you know, they they screwed with the packet They put yes, no, planning on us asking a bunch of questions.

But then they start asking more questions. And someone grabs the camera and asks, are you a good or bad ghost? They snap the photo, and a single word appeared in the middle of the room. In the photo, it said, friend. So, it's not just yes or no.

It didn't say bad [ __ ]

It didn't say bad [ __ ] It said, friend. They stared at the photo, and they were examining it. And like, cuz maybe they were like, oh, they wrote something on top of the Polaroid, but somehow sealed

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it back up, and then the word stayed in the photo. But no, the word is not on top of the Polaroid, it is in the photo. Meaning that it's existing in the room, and they're capturing it on the camera.

So, it's literally like a light anomaly that's being captured. It's not like

see with their own eyes, but the camera can see.

There's no scratch marks or anything on the actual Wow.

And so

Now I understand why people are like, there's no way to debunk this.

And it gets even crazier. Like, when people do try to debunk it, it's like, no one has been able to prove that it's not real.

Right.

And little John isn't there with like a sparkler spelling out friend.

low

No.

low

No. [laughter] So, they're all like, this is wild. It looks so similar to the like ectoplasmy white mist ghost images, but now it's in letters, written in like cloudy letters. And I don't have all of these photos because they're not all available online. I do think that a book was published in some recent years with more photos.

Mhm.

But it was really hard to find. Like,

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it's not available on Kindle.

Oh, shoot.

Or Or it wasn't easy enough to find like oh, I can get it delivered to me before the recording of the episode.

episode, yeah.

But we do have plenty of photos. That is more than enough and I'm sure you can find more online. But okay, so they keep asking questions. This is all happening that same night. They're asking more questions of the spirit. And they ask, "What is your name?" And it spells out w r i g h t. And we do have a photo of that.

Interesting. You know what I've just noticed is the first response yes was all capital. And now they're writing their name in lowercase.

Interesting.

I don't know what that means. I mean, I go back and forth between the two as well when I'm writing.

also lowercase and cap looks the same.

But y e the e for yes.

I know, but I'm saying like Oh, like all of the letters were caps. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Maybe it was like mirroring a Ouija board. I don't know. [laughter]

I yeah, I don't I

So then they asked, "Where do you go when you're not here?" And it spelled

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out or like the picture had f l u x. So they were like, "Does that mean like influx? Like what does that mean?"

Yeah.

When they asked, "Are you a ghost or a spirit?" The response on the image said, "Not ready." So everyone in the room was like, "Does that mean that Wright's not ready to tell us?"

Or we not ready to hear.

Or we not ready to hear. You would do so well in this group.

Put me in, coach.

So whatever it was, the Johnsons were feeling very validated by the end of this night cuz they're like, "It was a real risk telling our friends. They might have left here being like, wow, those pranksters or oh no, we need to get them help."

But now every The Johnsons something happened ever since they bought that house. The Johnsons have never been the same.

there lead in the walls?

Right. There probably is in the paint.

Probably. But they feel validated and like now there are multiple witnesses. But it also leaves them feeling a little bit dazed. They're like, "Great. We have confirmation we're not crazy, but at the same time we feel even crazier. Because

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what does this mean? Also, like I would quit my job and just stay home and communicate with the ghost all the time. Well, they I started a GoFundMe and be like give me money for film packs because I have to non-stop communicate. Like what is this? How is this happening?

this is another thing that sets the Johns apart in this case is they truly Yes, like I'll get into it in a minute, but they never took money for sharing the story. So, they weren't making up a hoax for financial gain.

They weren't setting up like a house where it's like enter for $5 and take a blurry picture, ask a question, get the answer.

Guys, I can't say I I'd do the same. I think I'd I'd try to figure it out. I'd be like

In this day and age? Do you want to get in on this? It would be like the show Ghosts where like Trevor is making money in the ghost world and by using the computer. I'd be like, "We have to set up some sort of thing. Like I'll buy you what you want, but like you got to help me out."

in this economy, you got to find a side hustle.

Right. You got to get the dead in on it, too.

They don't. So, just keep that in mind if you're out there being like, "I don't believe it. They did this for money."

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Okay, so even if they did, it doesn't mean it's not true true and happening.

Okay, but this leaves them in a daze because it like profoundly changed them and like their perception of reality. But that it also didn't give them an answer to what that change was. It was just like leaving them in limbo of like, "What does this mean?" They went on to take hundreds of photos of Wright within like the next couple of months. A variety of his apparitions, some words including words in Latin, which neither of them spoke.

Is this what it meant by saying like you're not ready? Cuz maybe it was some sort of not a demonic presence. Well, not that demons can't be friendly, too. But it was [clears throat] something else. It was neither ghost nor spirit. It was something more ancient.

Or just untethered to the the ether. It's influx.

Or are they not Are they neither ghost or spirit? Are they something that there aren't even words for? Right.

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sightings TV show investigation

Anyway, at the same time as this is happening and they're capturing these photos and just like left with these lingering questions, there was a show on TV called Sightings. It was a paranormal and news TV show that began in October of 1991 and it covered all sorts of topics. UFOs, Bigfoot, ghosts. Is this play about us? Again. John Hucker was watching an episode of the show that featured pictures of something unknown. And I guess on the show they were questioning, is this a picture of a ghost? And it looked nothing like the photos that Johns had been capturing at their house. So, John Hooker decides, "I'm just going to email the show and mail over a copy of one of our photos and just like be like, "What is this?" Naturally, the Sightings crew is

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like, "Hey Johns, what's up? Can we come interview you? Can we come to your house? Can we do a live segment on your ghost?"

Which I think is incredible because I think there's a lot of people that might have been mailed that though it's like this is clearly

fake.

Fake, like not worth our time following up on.

But also at the time I imagine that like even if it was fake, Sightings was like, "We'll get to debunk them."

Oh, yeah.

So, the Sightings crew sets up to do an hour-long satellite live show from their Glassell Park home. The episode aired on February 5th, 1993. It's season 1, episode 10 called Ghost Writer if anyone wants to go watch it. And this

Which a punny because the guy's name is Wright. I know.

I saved one pun for the very end of the episode.

Okay, I won't try to guess any. I'll I'll let you have it.

me, it was there right for the taking.

[laughter]

Okay, so the segment was an investigation into what they called the Polaroid ghost case and that's kind of like what it's become.

Mhm.

A camera expert took over 1,000 photos

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on this segment that showed mysterious, inexplicable forms. 1,000. It was in this episode and during the filming that the Johns were introduced to a psychic named Peter James. And in the episode, Peter claims like from his like psychic reading of the home and of the spirit that he believed two things. One, there absolutely was a spirit in this house.

Mhm.

And two, there was a body buried on the property.

Damn, what a mystery.

Which the Johns didn't love that part.

[gasps]

And also, I think it's important to note that in theory, we hear that and it's so easy to be like, "Dig up the whole backyard." But in reality, that's it's not practical to do.

Guys, it cost $5,000 to take down one tree here in the North Shore of Massachusetts.

Plus it's LA on hills. Like we could have 20 bodies back there.

If I can't do it with my own little plastic shovel from the beach, it's not happening.

Or if someone else is not paying for it and doing

Right. Yeah. It's not happening.

But they have lidar technology and

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stuff.

Get a volunteer.

[laughter]

Who hires that?

I don't know. The guy that went to the conjur- the guys from the ghost shows. Yeah, they have money.

Yeah.

skeptics can't debunk it

Okay. So, the episode aired. And of course, skeptics and cynics come out of their basements and they're like, "I can debunk it." Spoiler, they can't. But we're talking investigators, photographers, even Kodak and Polaroid themselves send their experts to study the camera and the film.

Is anyone trying anything else? Like EVPs, just a camcorder?

Don't know. It seems like he I mean I don't know. That answers your question. I don't know. Um

Because there's so much happening on film that I'm curious if that was just the sole focus or if they were like, "Okay, let's try other forms of communication and try to capture things." Because I would with how active it is, I would almost like assume that you could have a conversation through like an old school tape recorder or

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something.

Probably.

Set up a walkie-talkie.

I didn't watch the two So, there's two TV shows about it and I didn't watch either. So, I don't know. Mhm. But apparently, John Huckert does a lot of interviews. So, I feel like we could reach out to him.

And ask him that.

Even the FBI sent someone to try to debunk this.

Oh my god.

At first, people were like, "There's some type of like chemical con- like contamination or there's light leaks or the Johns are intentionally manipulating the camera and the film." Every person who studied the camera, studied the film, or even tried to take their own photos could not disprove the the Which to me means they proved it's real.

Yeah.

But unfortunately, this doesn't 100% prove ghosts are real, but I feel like that's

But how does it not?

Right? Then like

what would convince people that they are? Like what do you need?

That's what's so challenging. I think people need personal experience. You can believe in God, but you won't believe in ghosts.

Right. How many of you guys have seen a

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tiger up close? Do you not believe in tigers just because you've never seen one? You've seen it only on film.

I feel like that's a different argument, but

How?

Because literally, we can physically see like they physically exist in the world.

But if you've never seen one with your naked eyes, you're just trusting that on camera and on film that someone else's experience I can see how people don't relate tigers to ghosts in terms of proof.

know. Same same sort of thing.

But okay, so of course, people still continue to have skeptical responses. They claim it's pareidolia, which is like when you your brain sees faces and similar things.

Right. Yeah, we're just our brain is like set for pattern recognition. So we're trying to make sense of what we're seeing.

Other people say it's like double exposure or damaged film, but upwards of hundreds of people brought their own cameras.

So any camera, not just this one?

Yes. So there's one debunking that was written up by the Georgia Skeptics Society, and they go, "This is all so

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easily explained away." Let me read you what their easy explanation is. This was explained by taking a transparent sheet, coating it with India ink and paint, scraping away the part that you wanted visible, breaking the film cartridge to remove the individual photos, exposing them with the template in place using a flash bulb, and then replacing them and gluing the box back together.

Just everyone's households photo lab that they have.

do. So then they practiced

if it was only the Johns and their camera, but now we have so many other people. So like that's just that's hogwash.

Right.

I agree. Thank you. Great use of hogwash.

[laughter]

We need to bring back hogwash. Okay, so the Georgia skeptics, they test this method, and I'm going to show you what that looks like compared to what Wright's writing looks like. They're very different. Even the color is different. So, if they're saying India ink, the color is different.

It's different, and it's also it like looks more like someone's actually writing.

Right.

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Like using a pen and ink and writing. Whereas like the other one that was taken that is thought to be Wright, the spirit coming through, it's almost like there's little marks and missing pieces within the letters themselves. Like it's very scratchy.

Yes. Either way, they're not the same. That's the point. And it doesn't explain the countless skeptics who came in with their own cameras, their own brand new film, and got the same results. Film is literally taken from sealed boxes. Questions were asked out loud by anyone. So, like, say you invited 10 people over, you know two of them, you brought a camera, brand new, brand new film, you put the film in, and then someone you don't know asks a question out loud, you snap a a picture, you don't know the question that this stranger is going to ask. The response on the photo is a direct response to that question that you had no knowledge was going to be asked.

Mhm.

Proof.

Yeah, that's like I what else?

Okay, maybe my tiger analogy didn't work, but like what about a deep sea creature? How many people get to see

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that?

[clears throat]

Right?

I I I can get on board with that.

There's a few photos, a few witnesses, and we just have to believe them.

Right.

Like what's that shrimp that can see like a million different colors?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, god. What a trippy life. What are they seeing?

Yeah.

Everything? What if that's the only animal that actually understands the true meaning of life because they get to access all planes and

But they're at the deepest part of the sea, so they can't see what's up here.

How do you know that? Good question.

[laughter]

How do we know what we don't know? Okay, so the Johns knew people would be skeptical, but they also didn't really care because they knew what they'd captured was real and they weren't at this to try to like convince people. They were like, "All good. We know what's going on to us and that's all that matters." They even stopped doing interviews because they were like, "I don't want to hear from skeptics anymore." They were sick of these strangers calling them charlatans. And they really had no interest again on making money off of this. It was more of like a personal thing they were experiencing that they had offered to share with the world.

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So then they stopped taking interviews. They didn't entertain them. But they did entertain their friends. They started having friends over and they were like, "If you don't believe us, come on over, test it out yourselves." And they started throwing Halloween parties every year where they would invite their friends. There is a video on YouTube of It's like an hour long and it's like a home video from their 1993 Halloween party and it's like going through the house. There's like tons of Polaroids on the on the table and like people are talking about it. They're examining the pictures. It is so cool. Like I wish That's my dream.

Right.

Dream Halloween party. So they're throwing these Halloween parties. They invite like plenty of guests and friends to take photos, but they did make a rule because I think they didn't want they didn't want other people monetizing off of this. So like and also they felt like this spirit and like these photos were theirs and I understand that. So they made a rule that was basically like "Bring your cameras, take your photos, like but if you do capture anything, the photo

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belongs to the house." Sure, like over the years some people were able to like escape with their photos, but

Yeah.

I think also like keeping record.

Keeping record and then I I also understand like the idea that's like, "Well, that's like a piece of this spirit soul."

Exactly.

Like it's their opportunity to communicate and it's not like we're just coming to to take rocks and shells off the beach and put it in our own house and parade it around. Like this is this is like part of their life even if we don't view their life as the same as living in our bodies.

Yeah. I totally I get it. I And so like now they have thousands of photos. Like I said in the beginning, there's over 15,000 photos.

Damn.

15,000.

Have they put them all together in any sort of way?

So, I'll get to that at the end. And then I think they are like a chronological in the book. There's a lot more of them.

I'm picturing like

[laughter]

our like 2007 middle school graduation where

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[laughter]

like they do the big slideshow and then there's like the emotional song at the end. Just flipping through all the good photos.

Yeah. Or like a Facebook album.

Yeah. Half the people are drunk, for sure. They're blurry. I mean, kind of.

the grim reaper - Halloween skeptic

Okay, so there is one story about one Halloween party that This is like this exemplifies why on top of everything we already heard about Wright, but this is the reason that Wright has made it to the top five on my like when I'm dead I want to be like you

Mhm.

aspirations.

you.

So, I'm not sure what year this was, but one year Oh, and I should credit So, I heard this on an interview with John Hocker himself on a podcast called Wendy's Coffee House Curious Podcast.

Ooh, that sounds fun.

And I'll link it in the show notes for everyone. So again, I'm not sure what year this was, but one year someone showed up to the Johns Halloween party. And they're dressed up as the Grim Reaper.

No. [laughter]

Full-on face paint.

Not sheet ghost? Not like Wright?

And this guy like the Johns don't even know who he is till to this day they

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don't know who this guy was because he was so full-out costume. But it is very clear from the get-go that whoever this Grim Reaper guy is, he is a skeptic. He has come to this party to mock the Johns.

He wasn't invited. He's crashing as the Grim Reaper.

Which is something that happened a lot cuz like they did make a comment they were like what started as like inviting 10 friends turned into 200 people coming to this Halloween party.

Oh dang.

Yeah.

Oh, that was like my high school Halloween parties.

Me, too. I had one I had one and then my dad, who was never really home at the time like

randomly flew home from his work trip and caught us like sneaking alcohol in the laundry room in the basement and he kicked out everyone.

[sighs]

Oh, no.

And I screamed at him. This is like the most iconic me teenage girl moment. I screamed at him while everyone was still there. Now you get to pretend you're like a dad.

[laughter]

Did that feel so good?

so good.

to keep that packed away in your soul.

at him.

So you had like a true high school party.

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And mine was more innocent like

I literally just whoever from any high school, anyone at my high school was invited to come to my house to go trick or treating.

Oh, no. This was like a party party.

Yeah, no.

And everyone and everyone was like

We're 15 and we're still after the Twix bars.

Oh, you're so pure.

Yeah, but like I wasn't drinking, but it doesn't mean when you invite 200 people the other people aren't. Like there were certainly things found in our basement and like around our property. But like my parents opened it to other parents, too. So like anyone's parents could also come and just like post up and they were drinking and partying. The parents whatever. You were bringing the right energy that my parents were bringing to the party, too.

energy.

[laughter]

Um okay, but so he clearly is a skeptic. And he's kind of teasing the believers and mocking the spirit. But then, and I I'm so sad I don't have this photo. I'm sure it exists somewhere, but then someone takes a photo of this guy in the Grim Reaper costume. And what developed in the photo scared this guy so badly,

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he instantly left the party.

[sighs]

[ __ ] yes, right?

Yes. So as the photo developed, people noticed something quite scary form on top of the guy's face. Like he's in Grim Reaper paint, but it was as if Wright stepped in front of him, changed what he looked like to be a horrifying skeletal body.

Oh my gosh, he's bringing in that like Black Mirror like horror.

Yeah.

Like teeth but like almost mocking him back.

Oh my gosh, I like that.

Again, ghoul schools.

Go ghoul goals.

Ghoul goals.

Ghoul goals.

Wow, that's hard to say. Ghoul goals.

I mean it just reminds me of everyone who looks in the scrying mirror that Greg and Dana Newkirk

Yeah.

have where it's like sometimes people get really pleasant experiences if they're bringing in a certain energy maybe and then others get scary things.

Get very scary things. So he basically mocked the skeptic right back, one-upped his costume and then the Grim Reaper went home crying like a baby. Wee wee

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wee all the way home.

[laughter]

Eventually, like I said, because so many people were showing up to these parties, the Johns did stop hosting the Halloween parties cuz they were like, "Nah."

Slowly like little tchotchkes from their home would go missing.

And it was no longer a fun Halloween thing. It was like dreading what would happen.

Oh right, cuz they don't get to have fun. They're walking around being like, "Who are you? Did you take anything any of my property?" Like Did anyone go upstairs? Like yeah, that's stressful.

But that did not mean they stopped communicating with the spirit. No. Another reason that Wright is on my ghoul goals top five list is because beyond his playful antics and ability to show up in so many photos, he loved the Johns and he was so encouraging. Both Johns are like struggling artists. They're writers who went through like all these different phases of self-doubt or writer's block.

Mhm.

And Wright would give them messages to encourage them.

I love that.

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Things like, "Keep going." Or "Anything is possible."

What?

Or

You know what's crazy is this handwriting reminds me a lot of yours.

Thank you. I'm actually write the ghost. [laughter]

Like your handwriting's a little different cuz it's more like slanted and a little bit more like uniform, but the general shape and kind of like vibe of the letters reminds me of your handwriting.

Am I actually my ghoul ghoul? And this is what

you in the future, but it's also the past. What is time?

What is time?

Exactly. It's me.

Um get a forensic handwriting person

this actually this is the first time I've really looked at this photo. This is interesting because so we're looking at the anything is possible text.

Mhm.

Doesn't it almost look like there's like other words that aren't fully formed? It's like

Oh, yeah.

It's capturing the thought of the spirit and the spirit is like projecting one thought, but because there's many thoughts, they're not like they're

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there, but they're not clear.

Yeah.

Doesn't it kind of feel like that?

You know what this reminds me of? Well, obviously it's a little bit different cuz this is also in English. And and like human words, but Arrival when the aliens are like with their ink like shapes.

Shapes?

Yeah.

It's like forming and blending and like not all of it maybe is the actual like character or language, but like there's it's like the thought form and expression there.

and Amy Adams.

Amy Adams, are you right?

Whatever it is, it's right.

[laughter]

Okay, so he also would say like invoke the muse or I'm here for you, which we have a I am here for you, too, photo.

Yeah, so they all come. It's not just like it's writing. There's splotches all over.

But it's all kind of in that sort of like circle. Like it's like a thought bubble.

It's a thought bubble. So it's clear that over the years the Johns and Wright became friends, which I think is really really beautiful.

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who is Wright? history of the house

And I'm sure you're curious like as the Johns ended up being, who the heck is Wright?

Mhm.

Both Johns, they're curious. So they go and do research into the history of the house. And this is after they had captured the word Wright when they asked what his name was. They go to city hall, they search through records, and find previous owners of the home. I think they had found four previous owners. Guess what one of their last names was. Wright. Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

And I did see two like conflicting reports about this. I'm pretty sure on the Wendy's Coffee House Curious podcast, John Hocker says specifically one of the previous owners names was right, but in another article that I

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read said that like back in the 1800s there was a fam- like the Wright family who had like settled on this land.

Interesting.

Either way, they found evidence of someone with direct correlation to this property and this land with the last name Wright.

Well, also given the time period and stuff and like a body being on the property, I don't think it's out of the question that maybe one of the original owners, the original family, the Wrights, had a relative pass away or someone in the family passed away maybe they had like a on-property burial.

Backyard burial?

Or like burial doesn't even need to be like an actual body in the ground. Like what if it was just like oh, they loved the spot below the tree, we're going to dump their

ashes.

cremated.

Yeah, 100%. We'll get back to that in a minute, too. But um there were no reports of any family members or like owners dying on like in the property, but as we know, you don't have to die on a property to haunt it.

No.

And other than that, there wasn't much

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more that they find about this person, Wright, but both Johns are like this connection is like too much of a coincidence. Like this is the spirit we're talking to. And I need to make it known that the name Wright developed on the film far before they had done any research into the history of the home. So it's not like if people are skeptical like oh, they knew that beforehand and then they manipulated the film. No, they had no idea.

But like I understand that that's something you have to trust because they say that they have no idea, but you have to trust them that they

Yes.

had no idea.

Yeah. I'm sure you could find like when they accessed the records cuz you have to like go check into the library, you know? If you really wanted to be like the skeptical person. But anyway,

body buried in backyard

back to the body buried in the backyard. So like they find the name Wright, they can't get this thing out of their head that Peter James, the psychic that they met on Sightings, had said of a body being buried in the backyard. If you own a house and someone tells you that, like, you might not necessarily do something, but it's always going to live in the back of your mind.

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Yes.

So, one night in 1994, they decide to outright ask Wright, the ghost, about this. They ask, "Is there a body? Where is it?" And they took a photo with ominous words on it. I couldn't find the specific one, but there's one that says like "Dig here." The one I did find says "Dig." So, as they're asking about the body,

It does make it seem like there's an actual body.

Right. And you can see in this photo like there are multiple people here. There's They've set up folding chairs. Like, there are witnesses to this.

Mhm. This is reminding me of that one girl on TikTok. Do you remember when she there was like something happening paranormally and then she found like a rolled-up rug.

Katie Santry.

Yeah, yeah. And they had to And it up being nothing, but like it uh wasn't nothing. I don't know. But, like, it was It didn't really go further.

Yeah. She started a podcast.

It didn't result in a dead body like everyone thought.

on TikTok. Hi.

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I actually saw a TikTok the other day where it was like, "A girl went viral and became like TikTok famous because she thought a body was buried in her backyard." So, yeah, I'm going to post every single day

[laughter]

tell you the weird [ __ ] I'm having happen in my life. So, let that be your motivation. Or Wright telling you, "You can do it." And buy the news.

But, okay. So, they get these images and they're like, "Well, that only makes us further believe there for sure is a body in the backyard." And the area does have a long history of being farmland. And also, a body buried on the property doesn't equal murder. It could just mean like, like you're saying, backyard home burial or, like you're saying, ashes.

Mhm.

As of today, there have been no excavations done, and so no discovery to really back up these claims. But, okay. Going

And the Johns still live there. The Johns As far as I know, still live there.

of hope they never really leave the house.

They should never. Yeah. Unless they want to give it to us.

[laughter]

Or they would if they actually think I'm right. And I need to live in that house in order to be able to hunt it in the future, but also in the past.

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That's true. Anyway, um

One other story that So, Peter James, the psychic that they met on Sightings, they became really good friends with him. And he passed away in 2007. But shortly before his death, and like he didn't know he was going to die. Like this wasn't like an illness that was progressing. No, like he passed away of a heart attack. But sometime before he did die, he had gone over to the house in Glassell Park and was spending time with the Johns and they were communicating with Wright. And one of the images said the text like it was like directly to Peter James about like change your beliefs. And a couple weeks later, Peter James passed away. And the Johns theorize that Wright was almost like trying to get Peter to like open his mind to a different belief in something because he was about to cross to the other side.

Oh.

Yeah. I don't know what. I mean, obviously

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like it's conjecture, but I just thought that that was interesting.

That is interesting.

conclusion

There's really no good way to wrap up this episode because it's technically ongoing. And as far as we know, the Johns still live in this house and experience hauntings with their ghostly roommate Wright. According to John Huckert, they often see shadowy figures in the home, which I couldn't find if it was like multiple at the at the same time or if it's one and maybe that's like the physical that you can see with your eye of Wright.

But it doesn't seem to be scary. They all live in harmony. Unfortunately, that Polaroid film was discontinued and it's really hard to find.

So, that specific film?

So,

Cuz I thought other people were coming in with their cameras.

Yeah, but I think it was like the film of that time. Whatever like type of film a lot of people were using at that time with cameras is discontinued. So, like yes, maybe they've been able to capture some photos and also like cameras have changed a lot and they do say they've caught some images on modern day digital cameras, but they're not as

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forthcoming with those because it's so easy to manipulate photos these days.

Right.

But don't worry, there are upwards of some 15,000 Polaroid photos that were captured over the 30-plus years. And then that's a book.

like how How do you have that many photos and still have people questioning

Yeah.

that many professionals, that many that many skeptics coming in to disprove, but they can't and there's 15,000 pieces of evidence just presented.

Yeah. So, a lot of these photos are featured in the book called Polaroid Ghosts and other true paranormal tales that's written by Joe Augustine. I couldn't find a copy easily, but there's an image of it in the YouTube video and then also if you find one, let me know where because I would love one. Um and in 2007, they displayed the thousands, not all of them, but thousands of photos at a gallery in Glassell Park as an art exhibit. I don't know where the photos currently

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are. I imagine they're probably like at their home, which I hope they have like photo copies of all of them.

Right.

These are the types of things that are just like physical evidence.

a coffee table book.

We'll be in touch with the business idea because Karen is full of them.

Like that's a great way to present them all. It doesn't even have to write anything.

Or just like the text underneath is just like the question that was asked and like the date that the photo was taken if they And that's it.

kept record.

And just Are you ready for my pun that I wrote?

Yes.

We don't know where these photos currently reside, but probably at home with the Johns and right right where they belong.

[laughter]

But um Okay, I'll than the feature on Sightings back in 1993, the story is also featured on a Netflix show called Surviving Death, season 1, episode 5, where John Hucker does like go on and he like talks about his experience. He's also done multiple interviews. Um you can listen to the episode of Wendy's Coffee House Curious, which is linked in the show notes.

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But for the most part, the Johns don't really talk to the media. And reminder for any of you out there who like, "They did all for attention and money." They didn't profit from the story at all. Not a single person has been able to disprove these photos or the phenomena that was captured in the Glatzel Park home. So, what the hell does that mean? It means ghosts are real and will slap you in the face with it.

[laughter]

It's just such a wild story because like people hope to capture photos and it's like here's like clear communication in a way that we don't normally get to see it.

Right.

And there's so many of them.

And it also feels like it takes It's like the perfect storm where it took Wright, the spirit, being comfortable enough with the Johns

Mhm.

to want to appear. Like clearly Wright has enough energy and like

He doesn't show up in every picture.

Yeah.

But he shows up with intention.

See some of himself in them.

Yeah.

I just keep going back to the question, are you a ghost or a spirit? And

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basically it's saying like

Not ready.

You're not You're not ready or yeah, not ready. And now I'm thinking of Arrival and all like the trippiness of time and it's like are they Is this somehow It like could it be one of them? When one of

God.

they pass away and then they go back and communicate uh with themselves

to like keep themselves going and like keep the artistic energy alive.

Oh my god, it's It's them being their biggest fans.

Yeah. And that's also why the skeptic was so cuz it was like they

They're going back and re-parenting themselves?

And also trying to like get some of the like bad energy in those people who aren't stressing

I love that.

out to leave. I don't know. Like, anything is possible. Whatever it is, clearly they have such like a connection.

Yeah.

Or just cuz they're not ready. I'm like, not ready for what?

To understand that it's you from the future coming back to haunt yourself? We're not ready.

We're not ready.

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Isn't that amazing?

Yeah.

Like, how had I never heard of that before? Had you heard of it before?

Um, I yes, but like not in detail.

Right.

I think it was like, you know, like one of those TikToks, 15-second TikTok. Like, this person communicated

They captured 15,000 photos.

And it it feels fake, so it didn't capture my attention.

I know. But it's real. That's crazy. So cool.

That is amazing. Okay, so

[laughter]

based on the theme of of this, I just Luckily, we have many people who have also captured ghost photos and evidence.

Hell, yeah.

And so, I just pulled one of the emails from someone who has captured something.

the wildest thing about this story is like, there are so many people, as evidenced by our inbox,

Yeah.

who have captured one-off photos or like one-off encounters with a spirit. But to capture 15,000-plus pieces of evidence is wild.

unbelievable.

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Yeah.

Like, we usually get, here's two or photos or three photos and pieces of it.

to even see.

Right.

Yeah.

Right? Right?

Oh, this feels so right.

listener story

This is called teen ghost caught on camera.

Okay.

I am a professional psychic medium. My friend, who's also a medium, and I were teaching a paranormal investigation class at this old mill that we rent an art studio at.

That's the perfect place for an art studio. [laughter] Oh my gosh, you missed it. Um, yesterday on Campfire Stories our listener, Shauna, shared a bunch of stories, but from their haunted tattoo shop in Tampa, Florida. And it was the coolest place ever.

Did you write down the place? Cuz if you're ever in Tampa

Yes, um here, I'll say it.

You should

get a tattoo there. But there's like so many ghosts at the tattoo shop, but also it's decorated so amazing.

And I was like you

comment from the tattoo shop? Like you commented before?

Tattoo Studio. She has a con- like a

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church confessional booth.

Oh my god.

bathroom. But it's a legit it was a church confessional.

Holy [ __ ]

It's so cool.

So cool.

I love that. Ooh, church confessional as well.

Yeah.

Love a art gallery is what I'm getting at.

[laughter]

You remind me of that.

Amazing. Okay. There's an old arcade in the building with lots of old games such as Pac-Man, pinball machines, and '90s skateboard game, skee-ball, air hockey, etc. As we were investigating the ghosts using a spirit box in the arcade, the group and I felt that there was an energy in front of the skateboarding game. A teenage voice came through. And he said, "14, almost 15, brother, Coke, skateboard, accident, Xavor."

Xavier?

It It's X A V O R.

Oh.

Everyone felt an energy in the same place. And some of us felt an intense pressure on the right side of our heads.

Oh, no.

What we all got from this information

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was that he must have been 14, almost 15, born in the '90s, and his name was Xavor. He passed from a skateboarding accident on the right side of his face {slash} head. His brother had had a drug problem and gave him some Coke at some point. This is them speculating based on the messages. After we were done investigating for the night, the owner of the mill came to me and showed me a picture of his birthday party. There was one person in the picture who was not at the party.

Oh, chills. Oh my gosh.

This kid behind the lady in the photo, as seen below, looks to have some type of injury on the right side of his face, and we believe this photo is Xavior. I think Xavior told him to show me the picture, even though he's insecure about his scar, which he also made very clear during our investigation. I was really nice. I called him very handsome regardless of his scar, and then he tried to flirt with me. He called me beautiful and gave me other compliments.

Ooh.

And for some context, I am 23, so I said, "You are way too young, first of all, and you know your dead homie." And

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he goes, "Well, technically in your time, I'm older than you."

[snorts]

Wait, this is amazing.

I blurred out the faces of the living people for their privacy. I hope you guys read this. It's so refreshing to hear other people's experiences from Lily.

Oh my gosh. Wait, he It looks like a full-on ghost.

just kind of like leaning in and looking over. Leaning in.

Why is it remind me of What's the movie about the kid who's a surfer who becomes a skateboarder?

A snowboarder.

Oh, Johnny Tsunami.

Johnny Tsunami.

There you go. The surfer who becomes a snowboarder.

The snowboarder. Yeah. Yeah.

Doesn't it give you Johnny Tsunami vibes?

of Johnny Tsunami, totally.

Is he tall?

Also, I know that they said that

[laughter]

We're seeing a quite a bit of

He might be naked.

Skin.

We're seeing some skin. I know they said they blurred out the faces of everyone else, but the guy who's sitting down with his face blurred

It's so spooky in the blur.

Even though he's not the ghost.

Yeah.

Yes.

Wow. I also like they're like showing up right in front of the game that is about skateboarding, being able to communicate

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all of those details. Like that's the same I would gather the same information that they put together based on what he gave.

And also like she's a psychic medium and her friend is too, and so they're getting messages through the the that they're that they're using, but they're also getting like hits in actual communication in other forms, too.

Damn.

That's like one of my friends, maybe I told you that or maybe I was telling my mom that one of my friends had a tarot reading at a work party, and I didn't give any details of like what her reading was cuz it was very personal to her, but she was like telling me all the stuff that came out, and I was like, "That's not that's not just the tarot cards. Like that was someone who was channeling

a ton of information and using the cards as a tool."

Right. That's how I feel about Litha. Like I feel like Litha uses the tarot, but she's also a psychic medium. So, she

Right. It's like, "Here's what the cards say, but also the universe and that energy around is telling me this."

me this. Yeah.

And actually this card is Yeah, yeah.

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It's very

when she did the reading for me and saw that you were pregnant.

Uh-huh.

And immediately walked it back. And also, you know what's crazy? I was texting with it the other day. In the cards, the pregnancy thing came up when with the card March. You announced your pregnancy to the world in March.

Oh my gosh.

That She did the reading in November.

Now I want to look I have notes from when she did did a reading for me, which I think was Was it January through June or something? Let's see what March says. Let's see. Possible isolation.

[laughter]

I mean, I think that's your whole life.

A little bit of an identity shift, possible some postpartum depression and anxiety returning or like the feeling

Mhm.

of like the anxiousness of that returning.

You texted me after your reading, you're like, "I don't think mine was good." Like I feel like it's negative.

Well, I Well, I told her that, too. I was like, "It's so funny cuz

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it's like every other month it's like something cool happens and then you're depressed. And then something cool might happen and then you're depressed.

[laughter]

Well, you are a mother with a second child on the way and

that's a lot on its own.

Well, and she also said this came up in March but it was like over the next several years who I am will shift which makes sense. And people will see me differently. I'll see myself differently but all very good and in a kind of rebellious way perhaps.

Are you going to cut bangs?

I can't do it again. They look good for two seconds when they're at like one specific length and then the second they get like a millimeter longer they're so gross.

[snorts]

Okay, but here okay so that was March. It was like depression and then April I'm a boss [ __ ] I am the queen and it's like all about all this.

Queen energy.

And then it keeps going back back and forth.

Well, I feel like you do have spurts of like real energy and you like get a lot done and then you crash which is I think

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human.

Oh, you know what's interesting? So we just had our Now we go to House Witch every single month and get our auras photographed our individual pictures and then our pictures together. Long wanted to do that and now we're doing it. And we always have a spirit that shows up in our photo together but for the first time I had a spirit show up in just my solo shot.

Yep.

And I'm curious if that's going to keep coming up if that it cuz we were like oh is that like my child? Because what reminded me of that was June is supposed to be more of like a woo woo month for me.

Got you. I was wondering how the connection there.

I know it [laughter] was it was it was internal.

I was going through the the reading the the six month tarot reading that I got.

[laughter]

It was an internal leap.

But we're here now we're caught up. Yeah, no I'm really excited to see how our photos progress. Yeah. Well, we'll keep you updated too. But uh thank you so much for joining us. If you have ghost photos, if you have ghost stories, please email us to twogirlswhoneghostpodcast@gmail.com.

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Book month. Book club.

Book month would be a lot of work.

[laughter]

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[laughter]

WE LOVE YOU AND WE WILL SEE you on the other It was like the SNL

Cat and Garth.

[laughter]

And we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.