UNSOLVED MYSTERY IN FLORIDA | The Secrets of Coral Castle | One Man and 1,000-Ton Stones (Ep 354)

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Florida man uses ancient Egyptian magic to build castle. He's got a secret. Then I like it and I like it. Take it to the swan to the grave. Very spooky. How do you Oh, hi. How do How do you It's 2026 and we went weird. Something A screw got loose and you just have to deal with it.

I'm wearing the sweatshirt that one of our listeners has a brand.

Living Luna Creations. And I love this sweatshirt, but what is It says something on the on the back about being weird. Um something about like Like letting the weird people out or something. Can you read it?

The moon made me do it. But then we have

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t-shirts that I think say something about Oh, being weird.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh shout out to Olivia

to look up. who we're actually going to work with to create some T G O G merch.

Oh, yeah.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Speaking of, this is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two Girls, One Ghost. What if we just switched it up and this year I introduced and you whispered? Oh, I thought you meant like we have a different podcast name. Or a different name. I don't like that. Okay, we won't do it. I'm Sabrina and that's Kristin.

one thing to be consistent. Sure. We can say I am so scared to take a sip of my coffee.

Why? I forgot to ask for alternative milk. So you just have whole milk? I have not had whole milk in maybe 5 years. Who knows what will happen. Stay tuned. Uh the joys of milk. Um hey, happy New Year everyone.

Happy New Year. How was your first How was your first day of life? Cuz you know, when the clock hits midnight on January 1st, everything just restarts. We're brand new, birthing out of the womb. Well, you know, it's

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Ooh, funny is I have found myself I don't know if this will surprise you or anyone cuz I do love a good conspiracy. But I feel like

Shocker. You know, we lived through the year 2000 when everyone thought like the world was going to end or computers are going to like explode and and eat us or something. Whatever. I never bought that. I wasn't like, "Oh, the world's going to end." And then it happened again in like what, 2012 or something? Cuz I remember being like with all of my high school friends. It was like over Christmas break and we were all outside like drinking. We were like, "We've got to die together." Like whatever. Like playing into the thing.

High school. But lately on TikTok, there's all these kids with prophecies. And for some reason, while I don't believe like when the news tells you the world's going to end, when a 5-year-old says a tsunami is coming for me, I'm believing it. Yeah, I'm not. Okay. But you know what weird thing I had the realization of is technically we were born in the 1900s. And when you say that out loud, it makes us feel freaking

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ancient.

It's crazy. But also then I feel bad when we tell stories and I'm like, "Oh, it took place in the 1700s. Things were different." But I'm like, "Oh, like that's a thousand-year period." The beginning of the 1700s versus the end of the 1700s are vastly

a hundred years. Sorry. Yes. In my mind it was like, "Where's the thousand years?" A hundred years, but it feels like a thousand years cuz so much has changed. Oh, yeah, you're right. Why am I blanking? Why am I having this I don't know. I'm shocked. This is This is something I would say, but not I feel like dyslexic or something right now. But anyway, but like that's a hundred years. Like the people who were born in 1900 versus people who were born in 1993, there's just so much that's happened and it's vastly different

more than one world wars, tuberculosis, and death. So much death. Yeah.

Way too many clothes. Sure. But it just like the Titanic sunk. Yeah.

Although I guess like everything felt so big for that era. Could we not say we've experienced basically all of these things in our lifetimes too? Ship

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sinking. Sure, but I just feel like had a global pandemic. I just think when I think of the 1900s, I don't think of 1993. I think of like the early 1900s. You don't think of TLC? No. When I say the 90s When you say the 90s, then yeah. Cuz it's the end. Yeah. Anyway. Uh So, those of you 90s babies, hey, we were born in the 1900s. Those of you who were born in 2000 and over, like how are you?

Why are you listening to us? Babies. Babies. Anyway.

Ooh, so weird.

That's just some weird thoughts for you to have this morning or afternoon or evening, whatever you're doing.

the mystery of Coral Castle

Okay, well, I have a story and it starts with a headline. Florida man uses ancient Egyptian magic to build castle. Sounds very on brand for Florida.

It does. And this wasn't an actual headline, but it makes sense because this did happen in Florida and that's essentially what did happen. So it would be a Florida man headline. It could be

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if you were news reporter back whenever this happened.

man was a thing, that would have been your headline. Exactly. There's a structure in Florida built from 1,100 tons of limestone. These gigantic blocks, some weighing more than a car, actually many of them weighing way more than a car. That's wild.

More than a school bus, more than an elephant, more than a whale, all perfectly balanced with doors that once spun with the touch of a finger. Towering monoliths cut and fitted together with precision. Yet no tools were ever seen. I guess that's an exaggeration. There were some tools, but no tools that you would like think modern day to make this happen were seen. And it was all built by one single man. A man who claimed to know the secrets of the pyramids. A man who worked only at night. A man who, depending on who you asked, was either a genius engineer working in total secrecy under the fall the cover of night or a man using something else. Magic perhaps. A man who had like slaves

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hidden tucked away that he only brought out at night to construct his castle.

That's so dark. I don't know. We we got to present all theories.

I don't think he had slaves. This was a 5-ft-tall, 100-lb dude named Edward. So you think he had magic that he created a castle with by himself? Well, okay, we're going to get into it.

Okay. I I like don't think he had slaves, but

Sorry, I'm a skeptic today. It's 2026.

I I also I'll say up front, I don't think it was magic. I but I think he tapped into something unknown to humans right now, whether it's like a way that we harness like energy and things around us and like Oh. move with the systems that are around us.

Well, because he did do it on his own. There's decades of evidence of him doing it on his own. But people witnessed him doing it on his own? Just listen. We are on paragraph one and there are like seven pages.

Sorry. Okay, I'm I'm shutting up now.

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Okay. Tonight we are going to Florida to meet Edward Leedskalnin. Mhm. That's the last time I'll say his last name. Okay. In the seemingly impossible place that he built, a place now known as Coral Castle. It is one of America's greatest unsolved engineering mysteries. A place carved from heartbreak wrapped in scientific confusion and whispered about in paranormal Coral Castle. heartbreak

Mhm. So this story it's kind of funny

Edward's heartbreak

that it happened still in Florida because that he ended by doing his castle or building his castle in Florida because it did remind me a little bit of the Pink Palace, the Don CeSar Mhm. hotel that we talked about in St. Pete, which like the backstory of that hotel is very Romeo and Juliet-esque. There were these two people in love, but their families wouldn't let them be together and the guy moved to Florida away from his love in Europe or whatever and built her this like giant pink castle by the sea hoping that one day she would return. She passed away, but in afterlife, they get to spend it together at the Pink Palace.

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Pink Palace. Yeah, the Pink Palace by the sea. So this was not quite as like Romeo and Juliet because there was maybe a little bit of unrequited love here, but the crux of it is similar. Edward was born in 1887 in the rural Latvian countryside and he was described as very slight. So he was like barely 100 lbs, 5 ft tall. He was very shy. He was very introspective.

A short king. And man, was this short king strong and innovative and we will figure out why soon. But I really need to take my skeptic hat off. I really do. I don't know what's wrong with me today. I'm just shocked that you're being skeptical of like him himself being able to just like Carry, it's not bricks that weigh a ton. Oh, well, yeah, that's why I I guess people think it's like magic. I would think more that people would be like, "Oh, it's not magic. Like humans have done this like construction.

and all of the places in Peru and whatever. Yeah. Which is kind of like the conversation, but Edward, before he moved to Florida,

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I'll call him Ed baby. I don't know. We'll see if it sticks.

Ed Ed Ed. He spent most of his youth working with stone and timber. So he was already gaining a lot of skills when it came to craftsmanship and using tools and materials, but not anything fancy where he grew up. It was like pretty basic tools. At age 26, he became engaged to Agnes Scuffs, a girl who was 10 years younger than him. So she was actually 16 years old. Mhm. Ah, yeah.

A baby. He called her his sweet 16. Interesting. So was he born in the 1800s and she was born in the 1900s? 1887. Oh my gosh. They're from different centuries. Time travel's already happening. Like you've got mail. Okay, so if we get past the age difference, which she was very much still a child, Edward did adore her and he planned a life for them. He built a home and they were planning on getting married when then all of a sudden, the day before the wedding she called it off.

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We don't know why. But I don't think a 16-year-old needs to give reasons as to why she doesn't want to get married.

No, no woman has No one has to give a reason if they don't want to get married. Don't get married. It's not worth it. That's it. We give you permission to walk away the day before your wedding. I saw this beautiful

your wedding, 10 years after your wedding. this beautiful clip of Emma Watson on the Jay Shetty podcast talking about why she hasn't been married yet. Oh, I thought you were going to say she was like

just glad I haven't been divorced yet.

beautiful, but it was also like I feel like I mean you have to go listen to the actual clip, but she was talking about how it feels like our society talks about it as an expectation, but she views marriage as this like gift that you have to earn. And she doesn't know if it's like a part of her journey and her path, but she also didn't know what her journey and path was for so long. And she's like had I met someone I married someone 10 years ago, I would be divorced because I didn't even know who I was and what I wanted. And I was like, well, I made that mistake for you.

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A lot of people do and a lot of people, you know, like they'll get married at 50 and still Right.

People change and beautiful. We want to believe in eternal love forever, but we also believe in second chances and taking control of your own life

autonomy and autonomy. Edward was left the day before his wedding and he was totally heartbroken apparently. Of course. Didn't see it coming and he basically like This was described as the pivotal moment for Edward with who he would become for the rest of his life. Okay. So, he was already described as kind of like a quieter guy, but some people said like this is the moment that he became really withdrawn. Sure. He then basically became obsessed with proving his self-worth that he's like worthy of love and that he is

Oh, that breaks my heart.

person. Yeah. I know. Wounded child. And he could not stay in La Via anymore. So, he left and for a while he never really stayed in one place. He was very much like a transient

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Like what do you call it where it's like Why am I blanking on the word? Transient works, isn't it? Yeah. He's in Canada, then he's in Oregon, California, Texas, Nebraska. He's always on the move. He'll stay somewhere and work for a bit, save up money, and then escape again. So, he was like simultaneously trying to find a place that fed his soul and felt like home while also trying to escape everything that happened and the pain that he felt so deeply. It's like changing your location doesn't like make you run away from the emotions that are with you. That is always with you. You have to work through that. Yeah. But sometimes it makes it easier to work through it because then you don't have everyone else around you who acts like a mirror or amplifies the things that you Sure. It's a temporary solution. Yeah, not a long-term fix. I feel like it worked for me for moving to Massachusetts. Yeah, but then you stayed here and you worked on yourself. Well, yeah, cuz I I did the moving. You didn't keep running That's what I'm saying. I think I running from one spot to another.

didn't like who I was in LA. So, I moved

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here. And it fixed it. You can pick up and move anytime. So, he was working really hard. He saved money. And then he'd head to the next place. But by 1918, Edward had found himself in Florida, but this was not going to be a spot for him to just like sit back and relax and drink some pina coladas or smoke some Cubans, get in touch with himself because this was basically the place where he was diagnosed with tuberculosis like super super bad tuberculosis. Like he was terminal. He was given months to live. Yikes. A few months came, a few months went, but Edward was still alive. How had he survived this terminal tuberculosis? Well, supposedly according to Edward, magnetism cured him. And magnets would allow him to live for another 33 years. Already he's a little woo-woo and we like that. I do at least. Sabrina doesn't like him for some reason. I'm going to keep my mouth shut here.

building a magic castle

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In 1920, just two years after moving to Florida, he purchased a small patch of land in Florida City, which is south of Miami and it was like just before the Florida Keys. And having a lot of experience with stone, Edward was like, okay, this is a great place to build like a monument. And he started to build structures and he called it Rock Gate Park. So, in his lifetime it was Rock Gate Park, but now after his death people call it the Coral Castle. Okay. So, this would be the start of a great mystery spanning decades. One that we're talking about now cuz it's still a mystery. Edward never stopped building structures, monuments. And the full structure now is called the Coral Castle. So, for 28 years he worked on all of these structures, but he never let anyone see him work. Okay, 28 years. Yes. I'm buying into this a little bit more.

I was like it took decades.

I thought it was like he's building and like constructing this overnight. No, but it is overnight. It's the The sun goes down and he's working at night. During the day you would not witness a

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single thing. But should you return the following day, maybe a giant limestone door, a wall just huge heavy stones would appear seemingly like constructed perfectly overnight with no evidence of the tools or anything like no drag marks like no evidence as to how it just was placed. Hm. Neighbors didn't hear anything. Like it was It was crazy. So secret.

Does he have real neighbors? Like for some reason I'm picturing this like kind of in a secluded area, but I guess No, he has neighbors. Okay. In the In this one. He'll move and have more privacy soon. Okay. So, not only were these stones carved, but they were also moved by one single guy. Coral Castle is not made of coral. It's from oolitic Sorry if I butchered that. Oolitic limestone, sometimes called Miami oolite. It's ancient. It's formed from skeletal remains of marine organisms cemented together. So, it's basically like It's like a very dense and heavy stone, but it's like a bunch of different things like Hm. shoved together which is why looks like coral. Yes. And it's also

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very notoriously difficult to cut because of that with precise But Eddie he could do it. But Eddie, he did it. And it's also freaking heavy. So, that's what he used for literally everything in this castle. In this specific castle, the smallest stones weighed about 3 tons. And remember tons is 2,000 lbs, so the smallest of the stones the smallest things he did, 6,000 lbs. No. Wait, yes. You are good at math today. I'm not. I'm like shocked. We switched.

we did. The outer walls of the castle weighed up to 30 tons. And a few pieces were estimated to be over 50 tons. So, as a comparison, the smaller pieces weigh about as much as a full-grown African elephant. The larger pieces are more comparable to the weight of a fully grown humpback whale. Edward is 100 lbs. So, how much Okay, um my question and maybe you don't know this because it took however long to actually construct the whole thing, but like people go to

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sleep, there's already one stone there. The next morning do they wake up and there's like one more stone there or there 10 more stones placed there? I think it was slower. I don't think it was like 10 stones. Okay. Yeah. I'm still skeptical, but I can at least buy like one over.

kind of is because still no one knows how he did it by himself. And it's also like why not share Like why is he being so secretive about it? We'll get to it, but he did write down some of the things and had like some journals, but it's just like people couldn't comprehend exactly what he meant because they were They weren't very specific. They were still kind of like, oh, well, I I harnessed this Okay.

did this. Yeah. Cuz he doesn't have a crane. He doesn't have tools to do this. Yeah. No. And also like I read It's hard because a lot of the information from Coral Castle too like of course there's like, you know, like National Geographic or like Yeah. History Channel stuff on it. But there's also a lot that's just regurgitated in people's travel blogs who went and did the tour. And so I don't know how truth

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like exact quotes and things that he said actually are. Right. But there was one that I read that said that he basically was like, oh, well, I could tell you exactly how I did it, but that would also waste like two decades of all the work that I did. So, I think he wanted it to be a bit of a mystery, but he did tell people that he had tapped into

gatekeeping. He was gatekeeping. But he he was like, I am just doing exactly what they did to build the ancient pyramids. Huh. So, he was like Only he ever knows, I guess. The answer is there. That's his why. It's just people are struggling to find the answer, but it exists. It's not aliens. Hm. Ed supposedly moved all these alone. Well, not supposedly. I guess he he did. There's like literally zero other people who've ever come forward saying that they helped. A lot of people have tried Like the people were spying on him. They are in He's out of the car. When the engineers from University of Florida went to go examine the stones,

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they confirmed the density and weight, but they could not confirm the method in which Ed could move these stones. Which brings us to the castle itself.

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an alien architecture?

So, if you're watching on YouTube, throughout this episode, there will be some images, but when you walk into Coral Castle for the first time, you'll be met by this 25-ft high wall that surrounds the property made of slabs weighing about 30 tons each. So, a full-grown humpback whale. Crazy. All put together almost seamlessly, so there's no mortar. It's just like precise cuts.

Can I look at these photos? Yeah. I might be misremembering where this was, but when I was in Peru, there's that wall in like Cusco. Mhm. Where it's like

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the same thing, where like you you can't even fit a piece of paper through the like the line

The separation of the stones, and yet there's no mortar or anything.

Wow. This is not what I was picturing. In a way, it's almost like an art sculpture garden.

It does look like a sculpture garden, yeah.

Yeah. I like the moons. Okay, well, I'm glad you bring that up because he also seemed to have this like fascination and fixation with the sky, with astronomy, and that is seen in some of the sculptures. So, like yes, there's like moons and different things like that, but there's also a Polaris telescope. So, it's a 20-ton stone tower with a narrow tube bored straight through it, and the tube is aligned with Polaris, the North Star. Which is still accurate today.

little telescope?

He made his own telescope out of stone. He also made his own sundial, and the stone clock could tell time within minutes, and apparently he could adjust it for daylight savings. Edward. There is a 9-ton gate, so 18,000-lb gate, and this slab of stone

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was drilled through with eight cylindrical shaft that balanced on a metal rod so perfectly that it once rotated with the push of a finger. So, he could open an 18,000-lb door by just pushing his finger and effortlessly open. If he really And I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Like if he really did do this all on his own, why gatekeep it? Like what knowledge does he have from the greater universal like plot? Well, think about the people who tried to not gatekeep things. They go missing. They die. Their research is dead. Sure, but like It's like the guy that's like, "Oh, I figured out a way to make cars run on water or find a cure for cancer." That, yes, but this is a building. This is how to build structures. Yeah, but it unlocks all the ancient secrets. Right. So, like he must have some knowledge from a greater universal

Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

being that's telling him not to share

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it. And it made me wonder, too, because he spent so much time alone, if he did some sort of like meditation and like tapped in some way. The Gateway Tapes.

I was literally just thinking that. Okay, so obviously like this feels like it defies man or at least something that like a single man could do. So, people were like, "It's got to be some sort of magic or alien intervention." And these conversations came up time and time again about like ancient Egypt and various structures all over the world in Asia and South America and just like how did this happen for all these ancient civilizations where we're speculating that maybe there were like 10,000 workers working on something, and we still don't understand exactly how they moved something. This is a single guy. Right. He doesn't have a team. So, how could he do this? Well, in 1986, engineers dismantled this gate, the one that could just like move when you touched it with your finger, and they discovered a custom machine axle, precise balancing, and hole drilled so exact that even modern builders could not duplicate it with hand tools that Ed

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had used. I mean, I do fully believe that his upbringing and like his education in Latvia probably did teach him something that like I don't know. I feel like we as modern-day people, especially in America, become so dependent on tools and like machinery to do things for us. But Well, because we've like

modernized everything, and it's like technology is supposed to be advancing everything, but we're losing a lot.

The craftsmanship.

Yeah. Like I think about my grandmother and great-grandmother who hand-sewed their own clothing. Mhm. Like beautiful, pristine stitching. I could never recreate

even know how to put a button on pants.

I do know how to do that. Oh, well, that's good. See, I'd have to go to YouTube and use Right.

technology

It'd be good to to know. But like I imagine that he, where he grew up and like the tools and you know, craftsmanship that he learned was very meticulous.

Right. Yeah, and it's also it's like it's modern modern builders and stuff that are trying to figure out how he did this.

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Yeah. Not that this was like so, so long ago, but like Yeah. You know, it was long enough. So, in order to successfully do this, they had to drill using a tool that Ed did not possess. He had no modern machinery, just like the people of ancient Egypt didn't, just like the Mayans and

Mhm. One thing Ed did have in common with these ancient civilizations was the fascination with astronomy. So, he carved large crescents and celestial bodies in a lot of his work, the telescope, the sundial, and every stone and every angle was placed with intention. He claimed that all of this was built for Agnes, his ex-fiancée, and he said the castle was built, quote, "for my sweet 16." I hate that line. Yeah. I hate that so much. And I'm also so curious like what Agnes is up to. Like was she just like living her best life with no regard?

idea. Yeah. Is he sending letters over

Right.

from Florida being like, "Look, I I made you this telescope."

do feel bad for Edward. Like I just want to give him a hug and be like, "There's

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something else out there for you. Like you don't have to like pine for her forever."

you feel bad, but then also like if you were in her position, you'd be like, "Oh my god, like this is a crazy stalker." Right. Like you're obsessed with me.

Yeah. Think about it. Like The Notebook is supposed to be one of the most like romantic movies ever, and that is essentially what he did. He like built her He wrote letters and wrote letters every

every single day. Makes me think of a Greg and Dana Newkirk's love story, too, where like Greg Foley was a stalker. Yes. But it turned out great. So, Ed shared like his motivation for the castle and a few tidbits, but it really was what he wouldn't share that would keep people up at night. So, he lived on site. He lived on the second story of the castle, but there was no electricity, no crane, no modern lifting equipment. And again, he was 5 ft tall, about 100 lbs. He only worked at night, and no one saw him move stones. Well, almost no one, because there were a few witnesses because people did try to spy. How is he not like ripped? He probably

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is. I guess.

Although like I don't see any shirtless photos of him, but like there are photos of him, and he's he's skinny. Yeah.

Almost looks like a rock climber. You know how they're like all so

Yeah, and their like fingers are so freaking strong.

strong. Yeah. The force is with you.

teenagers see something they shouldn’t’ have…

From the 1920s to the 1940s, locals reported strange phenomena around Ed and the Coral Castle, or Rock Gate as he had called it. A lot of these reports came from children, children who later as adults still stuck by their story. At night, walking along the property line of Coral Castle, kids and teens would peek through the cracks of the fence, and it didn't matter who it was, when they went, each individual kid basically reported seeing the exact same thing. Ed was levitating the stones. They moved like they were weightless. They floated through the air. Curious, one night a group of teenagers were like, "We need to get a better view, and we're not just going to peek through this fence." So, they climbed a tree so

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that they could like have a more unobstructed view. Smart. And they saw a tripod, a black box, and stone seemingly being pulled by an invisible force. So, a few more clues because there were some tools. Badass if he really is levitating freaking stones. Yeah. These were the kids who still stick by this as adults, but there also were a few adult witnesses. One said that they saw him use a small telephone pole as part of like the pulley system to move rocks, which if this is true, that would actually work for some of the smaller stones, but certainly not for the larger ones. Another man reported seeing him take scrap parts from cars from the nearby junkyard to use Mhm. somehow in some way. So, it was like no one really still knows. I mean, I'm just like fathoming this is so I just hard for me to conceptualize. It's hard for everybody.

That's why it's a mystery. That's why it's a mystery.

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how he did it. But like I think about my accomplishments as a woman moving things in my house. Like I feel like there's videos of this where it's like the woman who like wants to do something and like makes it happen, and it's like moving like massive things by themselves in the house. But they're not tons. They don't weigh the size of an elephant. Like Yeah, even the most elite athletes can't do that. No.

Yeah. Like I dragged a a king-size mattress up two flights of stairs by myself. Jesus Christ.

And I was like dripping sweat by the end, and I was but I was so proud of myself.

Yeah. That's really impressive. But that's not this. No. Not even close.

But I'm very impressed by you.

Thank you.

I think that's amazing.

wanted to brag. No, but I think like that's the thing. It's like there's so many people, and I feel like this comes up a lot with like the pyramids and stuff too. Where like people get mad cuz they're like it's insulting to give credit to aliens or something and that like these you're basically saying like these people couldn't do it. We're not saying that Ed couldn't do it. The question is how?

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Because people are trying to replicate it. Engineers, experts, all of these people are trying to replicate it and they can't. So the question isn't did he use magic and aliens to do this? The question is how did he do it? So if you are sitting there listening to this and you're really mad and you're like, "Well, he used a pulley system." Please give me an actual diagram build it and do it yourself. Prove it. Prove it. Prove it.

How did he do it?

Show us your muscles.

say, "Oh, he must have used some pulley system." But what pulley system? Right. Like no one has been able to figure out what it actually is.

actual Right. way that he did it. We do not know. So modern day, they just keep failing trying to like recreate what he could have done. So even there was like a small crane that they used to try to move some of these stones and they couldn't. And so they're like, "Okay, well this is like a modern day small crane and he didn't even have this." So again they're very confused about how he could have done this. One thing I do love is, you know, we keep talking about like the doors and the the walls and all

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of these like giant things. He also created household items as if it were like a real home. So he had a bathtub, he had a heart-shaped table and my favorite was he had uh what he called the mad rocker which were two rocking chairs made out of stone but they're next to each other facing away from one another. So if you got in a fight with your loved one, you could still be close to them but not have to look at them. The mad rocker.

live here? He did on the second story. Oh, damn. There's no electricity or anything like that. Okay. But people did say like it does feel a lot warmer from the limestone like it keeps it uh more comfortable in there. Hm.

possible explanations

Okay. So all of the work happened overnight for some 28 years of building. Edward is very experienced and skilled in working with stones clearly and also clearly skilled at some sort of like lever and pulley system that's a mystery to people. He claimed that he understood the laws of weight and leverage just like how the ancient Egyptians and builders in Peru and Asia moved massive stones. Hm. But he left it at that. He

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never exposed his exact methods.

He understood it. But how did he understand it and how did he apply it? Like

How did he apply it is really the biggest question too. He did a really good job of leaving an air of mystique. Yes. Yeah, and he kept it up for like 30 years. Engineers propose that he used some sort of tripod and pulley system similar to what the teenagers were saying that they saw like the black box and the pulley or whatever. So some sort of like block and tackle system, a log roller, some counterweights. But again like this is like, "Oh, he must have had these things but how did he actually use them and how did he actually do it?"

Mhm. Also, there's some inconsistencies with this theory because if he did do it that way, there should have been some sort of like A-frame hoist, there'd be drag marks on the property from like dragging the stones. But there was no displaced earth, no trenches, no scaffolding remnants, nothing. Neighbors heard nothing. How were these massive amounts of weight moved in silence in the cover of night and no evidence of his work come morning? Especially if he's carving some

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of these stones. Like the shapes that he's making like those the rocks don't just show up in that shape. Like he is carving those which when if you hear the sound of like chiseling of a rock, you hear that. Interestingly enough though, Edward did try to expose some of his methods. So he apparently published pamphlets on magnetism which he said was like part of the reason his tuberculosis was cured and also that he was able to do this. So he said he harnessed electromagnetic energy, developed a perpetual motion machine but again there's no

P M M? P P M M. Or P M M. P M M. But again, there was no physical evidence. Just very basic like tools like picks and pulleys and stuff. And yet he said he had all the answers, he just didn't want to share them. Or maybe that maybe he tried to share them and we just don't fully understand. But he said all matter is made of individual magnets. Gravity is a push, not a pull. Earth's magnetic flow drives physical movement. So these are like these are his answers but you're like, "Well, what what does

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that mean? How do you apply it?"

like a woo woo answer.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Electricity and magnetism are the same phenomenon. He also like claimed to fully understand electricity and like how I can't even explain what he was saying he understood but like but he just understood everything that he did.

in riddles.

Yeah. And he said you could manipulate mass through magnetic alignment. So the north and south poles as individual magnets are the building blocks of nature. Damn. Right. Yeah, so exactly. It's like he's trying to give answers but we're like He's on a different level.

Yeah. What? There was also a story of a man who saw Edward walking around prior to him creating this. He like reported seeing like this little man walking around with dowsing rods which he called like witching rods or whatever at the time or the guy who saw him. And he like stopped him and was like, "Hey, like what are you doing?" And Edward said something like, "I'll know when I find it." And then a few years

source? Basically. It's like a few years later when this started to be a thing,

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the guy recognized him when there was like a paper newspaper article about him. He's like, "Oh, that's the little man with the rods that I stopped and talked to." And so people were like, "Oh, was he looking for like a water source or like a perfect location where the elements and the like property itself could help him like he could harness whatever he can harness and no one else understands fully. He was finding He was finding intersecting lay lines. Yeah, like probably. Yeah. So

the truck driver

Edward clearly figured out something else that no one else understood. Mhm. But one question again that I personally had was like how was he getting the stones to begin with? Right. Huge question.

Yeah. And this led me and I'll answer it in a minute but this led me to learn about Orville Irwin. So apparently in 1936, Edward wanted to move the castle 10 miles away. There were way too many peeping Toms. Everyone was trying to like look in the gates. He was like basically in He was in Florida City. Like he was in a busier spot. So he's like, "I need some privacy." And so he hired Orville Irwin who was a truck

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driver to transport all of the stones that he had already created to a new location. Which this new location was closer to Miami. It's like technically in an unincorporated town. So I think it's a little bit more remote. I'm just picturing like this truck driver showing up and a one stone being loaded in and the entire back of the truck hitting the ground. Right. Like not being able to move it. This has to be like a massive truck.

Yeah. I don't fully understand.

Yeah. So Orville Irwin shows up with his team and Ed is like, "Oh, no. I don't need your team. This stuff is too heavy for you guys. Just leave the truck overnight. Come back in the morning." This stuff is too heavy for you guys but I'll do it. I'll do it. It's not too heavy for me. So Edward's like, "Shoo, shoo." And Orville is like, "Hm, this is weird but okay." So he drops off the truck overnight and the next morning when Orville returns, all the stones are placed in the truck. Oh, and to answer my original question

stones made of Jell-O? Yeah, like it's just such a mystery. I was like how was he getting these stones to begin with and I couldn't exactly

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tell from my research if any of them like were delivered to the property but apparently there are some quarries on site. So it sounds like he was digging and getting his own stones.

his own stones. Yeah. One man. Cuz there was like reports of like all the quarries and the pools and and stuff on site like on the property. It was like, "So he's getting stuff himself like from the ground?" And then I mean I'm I'm very confounded by this. I think I'm less of like a skeptic and more of a because there's not even a logical way that I can explain this either. Right. It befuddles the mind.

Yeah. So this entire castle, Edward, and

strange anomalies at the castle

the creation of every single stone is all so mysterious. But what I also find fascinating is what people say about the castle today. So back when Edward was living in it, he basically like allowed people to come in and tour the castle. So while he was very private at night and how things were created, he would wanted to share his like art with everyone.

Or was he harnessing people's energy who

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came to visit his Energy vampire.

Yeah. Carved into the stone outside of the gate read the words ring bell twice. And when people did, he would come down from the second story of the castle and

wizard of Oz. He kind of is. And he would charge people. At one point it was like 10 cents and then it became a quarter for a tour. Mhm. And if someone didn't have the means to pay, he wouldn't let them. He would just like, "Whatever. It's fine."

Oh, he would still let them in. Yeah, he'd let them in. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And basically I read that like him charging for payment wasn't really about the money at all. It was just because he once didn't charge and people weren't being very respectful of the property and so it was like a way to deter or like just like create some like expectation of respect. Yeah.

Around the place. So if someone showed up and they were like, "Oh, I don't have money." He's like, "It's fine. I'll just give you a tour." He would bring people in, they could look at the sculptures, the structures, and if they asked him how he did it, he would always respond basically by saying like something along the lines of, "It's not difficult if you

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know how." And he would leave it at that. Right. We're asking how, buddy. Yeah. So how?

How? So while the groups are on the tour, some visitors reported that their compasses would spin and watches would act really strangely. So it was like there was some strange magnetic anomaly happening here which can't fully be explained because now when researchers go and try to measure the area like some say that there's nothing but then other times people say that there is a lot. So like it's weird. It's like this place like shifts and changes. But only Edward knew how to harness it. I guess so. He said himself, "Magnets are the answer." But the stones that were used are also not magnetic. They're limestone. And I looked up so limestone it's like limestone inherently not magnetic. Oolite limestone isn't inherently magnetic either, but it can have some magnetic minerals in it. But still it's not like, you know, enough for you to like put like a crane with a giant magnet on it. Right. And even then you would need a giant crane with a giant magnet. Also, people have talked about lights.

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So there's like weird reports of flashing lights coming from the castle, which by the way has zero electricity. There's literally nothing. Mhm. Also a humming vibration and a glowing aura around the stones. Which I wasn't that surprised about the glowing aura cuz there's this gravestone that I think is made of limestone in Portsmouth, New Hampshire Mhm. called like known as the glowing gravestone because it like has an aura. It glows at night. Well, okay. So it's interesting. I There's people who have synesthesia. Is that I think that's how you say

Synesthesia.

Synesthesia where they like see color with like or they assign things that don't necessarily go with one another. They assign color to, right? So

Yeah. Or like like a word could taste like something. Yeah, exactly. I don't have that by any means, but when I read books, physical books, certain pages and certain like parts of books as I'm reading have color. And then when I'm writing, when something I write is like complete or I

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figured out I think when something I write is good, it has color. Other If it doesn't have color

have a bit of it. But it's not I don't know. It's like only with words and But that's part like it's not like everything. Yeah, I don't know. It is specific for people. Well, it's only that. It's only with words. That's so fascinating. I didn't know that. I was reading in bed last night.

same color? Mhm. It just a color will just appear. Uh yeah, it just depends. Like last night I was reading um the new Riley Sager book and I was like on page I think it was like what I literally remember the page. It was 178. And there was like a page that the words literally start kind of like lifting off the page and they were blue. Dang, that's crazy. That's really cool. But it's also frustrating when I finish writing something and I'm like there's no color. Oh, you're like what does this mean? I'm like this was bad. People won't like it. Or is it like the color comes when you're channeling? No, the color comes when it's like for my writing it's when it's something I've written that I'm really proud of and I think other people will receive well. And it's been proven. The things that

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have been received well have always had color for me before I shared it with people. So do you just not share the things that don't have color now? No. Well, I haven't been writing very much. The writing I've been doing has been for this podcast and for Crimes of and you have seen it all, but my personal writing I have That's any of it. Yeah. Color. Uh No, because it's not really creative. It's like It's reporting.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. So Edward, clearly as long as he's alive it doesn't seem like he's going to tell anyone. In November of 1951 a new sign appeared on the door of the front gate. It read "Going to the hospital." Aw, Edward. I know. Ed took a bus to the Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami. He had suffered a stroke and it wasn't clear if he suffered a stroke before getting to a hospital or soon after arriving, but it sounded like he was there for 28 days and then passed away of kidney failure. How old was he? Do we know? Um Almost 80 years old.

Yeah, 70-something. So he lived a long life. Yeah. After basically

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being given a few months to live of terminal tuberculosis when he was like in his 20s or early 30s. Right. So with his passing he left behind a mysterious castle, cryptic notebooks, and a legacy that's spanned decades and a mystery that still drives experts to the castle today. But he also didn't know he was

Edward's journal

going to pass and so in his workshop and around the property Ed left behind journals, which was huge, right? Like this is the clue. This is where he must have written all of his answers. But just like when, you know, I was referencing it earlier like when people say they found the cure to cancer or like some sort of thing to like help civilization like Nikola Tesla and like all this stuff. People go missing or their work goes missing.

His journals went missing? So experts believe that many of Ed's notebooks vanished after his death. So we don't have all the information that Ed had actually left behind. But I also imagine that Ed's journals, even if we had all of them, were written the same way the way he described things were. It's not difficult if you know how. Like Yeah. He had a knowledge that he wasn't spelling

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out in his brain. So he didn't need to write it down.

Yeah. Strange electrical components, magnetic devices, homemade coils, and a flywheel were all left behind in his workshop. Okay, what is a flywheel? Well, Good question. It was a perpetual motion holder. So this is like what he had said earlier.

He had basically created this like massive wooden wheel embedded with magnets connected to bearings and he would rotate it by hand. And there's actually photos of him standing beside it and he's like smiling slyly. And some speculate that maybe this was actually like some sort of lifting mechanism or homemade generator because there wasn't any electricity. So it's like, oh, could he have created like his own sort of generator here to like help him move things? But others thought the flywheel was like basically just his way of having like a model, like a demonstration tool for him to visualize magnetic flow or like something. Like again, people still don't know what the flywheel actually is. Others thought maybe it was a lifting device and that

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him like standing there slyly smiling was like, you guys keep asking me like how I'm doing it and I'm literally showing you, but you still don't understand. He's got a secret. He's like a magician. He is. He's totally magic. So the answer is no one knows what the flywheel is for. So he left behind journals and actual tools and things that he created and yet still no one knows how to use them. Wow. See, this is one of those stories where I wish he did have like kids who he taught his methods to and then they could like I know. be passing it along in just their generation of family or their ancestral line.

Yeah. It is a wild too cuz like for him to announce that he was doing the same thing that the ancient Egyptians did to build those pyramids. It's like that has been something that people have long speculated like how do they do they do this or how did they do this? And it's like he maybe did have the answer and yet again it it died with him. And it's like how many people are out there doing this? The Pretty Little Liars theme song is just playing in my head.

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can you keep it? Swear this one you'll save. Then I like it and I like it. Think in this one to grave. And he did. Okay. Enter some

paranormal possibilities

paranormal adjacent explanations. So of course, because we have no answers, some paranormal theorists have come in. And they have argued that maybe he generated electromagnetic fields, used acoustic resonance, and anti-gravity effects. And while no one knows how the flywheel It's all easy. Well, then how?

Yeah. And basically this was like people were talking about how there's like a humming Mhm. in the castle. So there were some theories that maybe he used tuning forks and frequencies to move the stones. And there actually was a report way back when in the 20th century a Swedish engineer named Olaf Alexanderson claimed to witness a group of monks using instruments to create like a sound together to move and

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levitate extremely large like giant stones into the air and place them elsewhere. I don't disbelieve that. Like I On even just like a human being level sound can move things around in our bodies.

Mhm. Yeah, and sound can change the molecular structure of something.

Yeah. Like all those tests on water and Right. Like that's not us just making something up. Like that's That was tested.

Right. Damn. It just It's like How does someone take that small Like that's on like a small scale. Like yes, it's massive in terms of like how it's changing something, but how do you then apply that to moving stone that weighs the weight of a humpback whale?

Right. And it's also like the group of monks. These are people who dedicated their life to tapping into this. They're working together as a group still.

Right. This is a hardworking man from Latvia who moved to Florida and is walking around with tuning forks and dowsing rods and doing this. Damn. Damn. Damn.

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So while he wasn't using music, so to speak, there was a humming. So people were like he could have been using some sort of like tuning situation. Which is interesting cuz it's like I I I think back to like the kids that were saying they saw the stones levitating. Yeah, I mean I I do not believe he was physically lifting them like in any way. Like you can't convince me of that. Right.

At all.

And all of them all of the tools that he created like the lever like the poles or like all the magnets on that sort of like flywheel thing, maybe those were the flywheel and the magnets and the way that it would spin when he hand cranked it, could that not have made some sort of like tuning Sure, but then how do you control that to place it in the spot that you want it specifically? I mean all of this is befuddling. He is a wizard. At the beginning of this episode I was like he didn't use magic. He definitely did this inside and I'm like, did he though? It's crazy.

He used his own brain. Yeah. So basically Coral Castle is proof that we often underestimate human ingenuity.

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It is far easier to say aliens or magic could have done this because the truth it just feels still out of grasp. Like we can't understand it.

It's easier to blame the paranormal or maybe, just maybe, he was unlocking some ancient knowledge and creating this magnificent place as a result and maybe him doing that can be considered a paranormal anomaly in and of itself.

Well, it's supernatural. Yeah. Absolutely. We don't understand it. The knowledge has died with this man and now Coral Castle sits a beautiful structure of perfectly executed limestone architecture which amplifies sound, manipulates magnetic fields, creates a beautiful hum, and just befuddles everyone who ever enters it. Consider us befuddled.

We are befuddled. Could this be the key to something more, or is this simply a remarkable structure? The result of a dedicated man who never forgot the loneliness and heartbreak of losing his first love, and how channeling all of that energy into something greater and stranger than any

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of us could understand resulted in a wonderful mystery that is now Coral Castle. Hey, hats off to Ed for channeling that heartbreak into something like a passion project.

Yeah. His own work, rather than Yeah, like it's been He's been a long time kind of trying to figure out where to go next after he was heartbroken. But like he didn't take that out on others. He didn't become like a horrible person after heartbreak. Well, and if what people are saying is true about like his motive and the way that he who he was trying to become, it does make sense that he didn't tell people how he did it because he was trying to prove that he an important person, that he was worthy of love and attention and affection. Everyone is worthy of love and affection and attention. Just remember that.

Yeah, if you're out there and you don't think you are worthy, you You don't have to do something like this to be worthy.

No, everyone is existing. You could bedrock for the rest of your life and you are still worthy of love and attention. Yes. But it does make sense to me now like thinking about it because it's like he

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That was his motivation. So when people were like, "Oh, why didn't you just tell people?" He was like, "Well, then all my work would be undone." So it does make sense where it's like He had an ego. If he told people, maybe anyone could do it, and then he doesn't become an important person again in his mind.

Yeah. Yeah. We all have a little bit of it.

Coral Castle. How crazy. That is crazy.

have we not ever I had never heard of it."

I never heard of it either. And it made me a little upset cuz I was like, "Oh, we How many times have people been around the Miami area, and you and I like we could have

How rude of you to never tell us about it? We could have gone to Coral Castle.

This turned into a fight with all of you, our listeners. Why don't you tell us about every single paranormal thing or weird anomaly that ever existed in the

someone's like, "I emailed you this." Oh, probably. But they didn't cuz I did search our inbox for it. I have a

listener story

listener story that is about Florida, and great a castle is involved. Okay, so this is from our listener Cat. She/they, and she says, "Good morning,

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or afternoon, or evening, and night, ghoulies. I have a few bite-sized Florida stories for you, lovely ladies."

that. "I want to start by saying how much I adore y'all and this podcast. And upon hearing the latest listener stories encounters 263, I had the call to send you pics of my sweet baby reptiles and my fluffy babies, too. I thought this was as good a time as any to send some of my creepy tales, as well. You know what that just reminded me of? It's Do you remember years ago on Facebook in one of the episodes we were talking about how we love like animals' little shiny lips Mhm. and how someone created a Facebook thread, and we just had like hundreds of pictures of people showing their like reptiles or like cats or dogs all their like little shiny lips.

Little lips. Oh, it was so wonderful. Leia's been waking me up every morning with lots of licks. It's been like the best thing in the world. Exfoliation.

Yeah, just rough tongue. Okay, so Cat is sharing stories from growing up in Central Florida, from seeing a gnome at Bok Tower. What? Which apparently Cat shared in Campfire

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Stories, to seeing the Skunk Ape, which is their Bigfoot. Wait, why don't I remember the story about the gnome? Was I there? I don't remember it either. I mean, this was sent last year. And ghosts in the St. Augustine Lighthouse. So let's start with She definitely meant Karen, but she said Sabrina's BFF Bigfoot boyfriend. Mhm. friends. "As a child/teen, my family would drive to Bonita Springs every summer to visit my great aunt. One year we made a little day trip a little further south to some of the state parks and preserves closer to the Everglades. My parents are old school, so maps and backroads were preferred over GPS, and at the time GPS was still fairly new. It's 2005, the summer before I started middle school. I would always post up in the back of the Suburban with blankets, books, and headphones. Basically turned the whole back row into a bed on car trips. So there I was, staring out the window on the swampy Florida backroads, and I could have sworn I saw something run through the treelines.

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Ooh. Now, Florida is home to some monkey species, mostly ones that got away or repopulated after filming movies like Tarzan in the 1940s. But however, this was much bigger than a monkey. We were traveling pretty slowly on these empty backroads, so I was able to watch this large shadowy figure for a while, seemingly running beside us, keeping pace just behind the treeline. Eventually it stopped as we continued on. But the second that spell was broken, I hollered at my mom that I was pretty sure I saw Bigfoot. My mom, being the spooky lady she is, without missing a beat said, "Yeah, probably the Skunk Ape." 11-year-old me was like, "What? I need to know more." So apparently my mom had known stories and knew that part of our drive to the preserve was also places where people have seen the Skunk Ape and a place where Skunk Ape research headquarters. There's a headquarters? Love. We should look into that.

Wow, yeah. Why didn't I think about like actual physical headquarters for looking into the paranormal? I mean, this is a

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headquarter right here. The Two Girls One Ghost paranormal headquarters. Let's start calling our studio the headquarters.

Oh, I like that actually.

I'm going to the headquarters. More official. Yeah. "Okay, my next story is from an even younger version of myself. I was 5 or 6 years old when my family visited St. Augustine. Again, my mom is all about ghosts, and no wonder that's where I got it. We went on a tour of the lighthouse, which I believe you covered in a previous episode. Most of this comes from my mom retelling me the story because I honestly don't remember much of it. I have vague memories of so many spiral staircases, climbing the 219 steps to the top of the lighthouse. However, the ghostly encounter that happened happened in the home on the property. I was a pretty good kid, but of course, if I made a friend, I would run around with them. And so we're on this tour, and I had met another little girl, and we were playing around while the adults listened to the tour guide talk about the history of the lighthouse. At the time I thought nothing of it. It wasn't until later before we left that I

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had asked my mom if she had seen my friend because I didn't get to say bye, and I wanted to before we left. My mom said she must have already left. But come to find out, there were no other children with us on this tour. I wouldn't find out until I was much older and doing my own research on local haunted locations, and brought up our trip there to my mom when she told me, "Yeah, so I'm pretty sure when we did that ghost tour you made friends with a ghost girl there." Her mom is so cool cuz she's so like, "Oh, yeah, you just saw the paranormal. It is what it is." And also like this isn't hurting her, so just let I love you just covered your toes. I'm so cold. Do you want the whole blanket? Sven doesn't need it. It's okay, I'll make it through. "Okay, so now my last story is I'll leave you with a short ghostly encounter at an amazing little-known place in Central Florida called the Wonder House. It's located in the small town of Bartow, where I grew up. There's a castle-like mansion in the midst of a regular neighborhood that was built in the 1920s. I would absolutely love if you did an episode on it because the house itself is a true wonder, and the

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man behind it, Conrad Schuck, has quite a colorful story. I was lucky enough to strike up a friendship with one of the new owners of the house, who she wants to renovate it back to its original splendor and then open it for tours. I was over there one day helping her bake treats for a fall festival. She had gone upstairs to change while I was downstairs kneading dough. And you know that feeling when someone leaves a room and then comes right back? Well, that's what happened. I felt her presence leave the room, but then I felt her come right back in. And so I said out loud, "Did you forget something?" But she doesn't respond. So I turn around, and I realize no one is there. But that feeling lingered, like someone is in the room with me. So I said, "Hey, Conrad, if that's you, I love your house, but I'm cool with you hanging out, but please don't sneak up on me. I have so many other stories, but until next time, here are some attached reptile tax. I have two beautiful ball pythons, Artemis and Edith, and a sassy bearded dragon named Aussie. I also have two kitties, Nala and Beerus, and a dog,

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Rosie, and a hamster, Kimi, and some fish. Love you, ladies. Keep it spooky. I'll see you on the other side, but hopefully in person again, too. I loved your live show in Tampa. Happy haunts from Cat." We'll add the reptiles. A lot of encounters. Mhm. Like to see Bigfoot, to make friends with the ghost girl on tour. Like I feel like just everything you would hope could happen to you in a spot paranormal-wise is happening to her.

Which I love. Yeah, you were lucky. And I love that you grew up with a family that it was just like, "Yeah, this is normal." You must have seen this. I love that her mom remembered, too. Like it wasn't just like, "Oh, that was, you know, like something to brush under the rug or whatever for or like we'll we'll forget about that. She had an imaginary friend at the ghost tour." Like her mom years later was like, "Yeah, you definitely were making friends with a Yeah. a spirit. And I also love that she didn't want to say anything in the moment cuz she was like, "Why ruin her expe- Cat's experience? Let her just have fun with the ghost kid." Yeah, cuz then like how how scared could you be

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after that? And also I feel like it would when you're that young, too, like it would either make you so scared or question your reality. And make you mad. Be like, "What do you mean? I literally was playing with a kid." Yeah. And then the next time you make a friend, you're like, "Are they dead or alive?" That would wreck your reality. Yes. But if your reality has been wrecked by the paranormal, you like that transition?

Yeah. send us your encounters. Email them to us at twogirlsoneghostpodcast@gmail.com. Let us know what you think about the Coral Castle, and also, how did Ed do it? If you think you know prove it by doing it. Yes. Don't just talk more riddles. Yeah. We'll only take real physical proof of you doing it yourself.

You move with the same tools that he was able to gather himself, Ed. You need to move a two ton 30 Oh. Nothing was two tons.

I was like, if you could do two Well, no, weren't like the the lightest one is

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two tons? No, they're three. Oh, [ __ ] Okay. You have to move at least a three ton stone by yourself. If you can do that Great. Your next challenge though will be 30 ton stone.

Yes. We dare you. I don't think our listeners are interested in doing this. No. Everyone's like knitting while they're listening. Like I'm petting their cat. Like Yeah. Very different. We've got boulder heavers. Two Girls One Ghost listeners are not boulder heavers. And maybe you are. I don't know. Let us know if you are. Then prove it. Show us your muscles. Take your shirt off. Sorry. That was harassment. You know what? If you do it, that's your choice. Yes. But you don't have a choice. Please send us your listener stories. And if you do want to get episodes one week early and ad-free and bonus content and campfire stories where you can come and share your ghost stories live, you can join us on Patreon. There's lots of fun over there.

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We love you all. And we will see you on the other side. Very spooky.