The Frogman of Loveland: Ohio’s Magical Frogmen?! | Haunted Appalachia & Cryptids (Ep 304)

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did you notice that my face looks different I waxed my mustache this morning your upper lip it just is so bright have you ever gotten Botox no I'm terrified of needles I get it on my for cuz my forehead's like the and every time I go they're like wow you have a big forehead so thank you well you go somewhere else where they're that's my sister go somewhere else where they're not mean to you it's my sister very spooky hi hey I like am so Twitchy I was like moving my arm and couldn't remember where to look yeah happy New Year happy

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New Year to to us we're recording on the first day of 2025 yeah and holiday who we just exchanged Christmas presents yes we saved all of you the unwrapping and all that stuff but and I gave you stuff from Sven sven's gift to you was on time I loved Spen gift yeah kitchen witchery yeah he was promoting he was trying to encourage you in your witchcraft journe and we are encouraging one another with shopping on Tik Tok yeah our personal gifts to each other are hilarious cuz we both open it and we're like oh clearly only shopped on Tik Tok shop both almost bought like the things that we got each other I literally had a nightmare last night that I well I do have a problem but that like my car was full of Tik Tock purchases and that like my sister was like you have a problem I was like but they're super cheap it's like $15 and like but my car was overflowing with Tik Tok Pur there's there's another thing that I like literally have saved on Tik Tok shop for you but now I have little confidence that you won't see it or get it for yourself before cuz I was like I'm going to get it for you for your birthday

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that's way too long now way too long um this shirt is from Tik Tok oh this is two girls one ghost oh hi two girls one ghost and this is a Tik Tok shopping channel there is a guy on Tik Tok actually who has a of course I don't remember his name but I will of course I always say I'll link it in the show notes but he maybe sometimes I forget no promises most of the time I forget but he uh has like a gavelin and he wears like a little wig and he judges all the Tik Tok shop items he puts them through rigorous tests and he did one of a kid's microscope and holy [ __ ] it looks so cool I want to get micc yes yes like examining cat hairs and rocks and bugs and leaves like it was unbelievable that one was worth it that's really cool his reviews are great should we show off what we got each other yeah we should okay I don't have the kitchen witchery book with me cuz it's yeah I give it to you ahead of time I love it because I almost got this for you it's reminiscent of our time on tour too because no no one has ever drank more Diet Coke than

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the two of us when we were on tour I need a Diet Coke yeah and I feel like every time we go anywhere ghost Hunty I'm always like hey I'm grabbing coffee do you want any and you say no I already got a Diet Coke I got a Diet Coke I literally did that yeah and you told me that Red's my color so this it perfect it really is your color you look and okay I'm going to start with I'm ranking my gifts with this one being my favorite a Navy Seals bugging guide obviously I'm paranoid and I want a bunker and I actually almost bought this for myself and I have it saved in a Tik Tok folder for a gift idea for myself in the future and now I don't need it cuz I have it what are the chapters oh before it's too late household items you need to hoard this is perfect you're going to start yep oh my gosh this is like everyone's nightmare for their grandparents that have been hoarding stuff forever I'm already you're going to be one of those grandparents yeah I know I know okay this one I also almost bought for s support your local Dairy

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Farmer yeah and milk Mamas and you also said you don't like the color gray but then you always wear gray and so I don't not like the color gray I just think that it's it doesn't do anything for my looks but I I buy only a few colors and gray is one of them yeah I wear a lot of gray but I just yeah if I got one of those like color palette things done for me it would not be honest gray is on there I sent Sabrina a hat that said this I was like oh my God this is so me Al the amount of times that you say like something is wrong with you and you're not diagnosed so undiagnosed but something is defin comfy this year oh yeah yeah I did like oversized this is what I live in and then my mom was here like a couple weeks ago and she like kind of gave me a little talking to she was like what are you using on your skin like have you thought about you know just even like a matching sweat suit set will make you feel more put together and make you feel better and so then for Christmas she gave me a matching sweatpants it which actually I wear all

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the time now that's that's nice and I'm like oh I kind of need she was on to something maybe I do need to get some more matching sets but I was like oh wow clearly I've been every time she comes I'm just I am mama from Barbarian yeah I look like her no you don't I do I saw myself naked full fully in the mirror for the first time in a long time and I bet you probably did the no I didn't have to it just naturally was there I had to do nothing to my body you're beautiful I relate to Mama from Barbarian creeping around in the Dead night I think we this one catch me on next week's episode wearing this because this is incredible can't today I'm SW swamped this is so good this also kind of reminds me of one of my friends Sim I feel like he always wore t-shirts that were like kind of like funny graphic

Anniversary Mandela Effect

te's yeah I think I'm in my graphic tea era right now yeah they're good oh I got these leopard pants that I'll wear next week oh I saw you post them yesterday you were in a cemetery and your leopard pants obsessed with them where'd you get

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them from Tik Tok oh of course why and they're so soft and they're so comfortable the only thing is they don't have like an indication which is the front or the back so I never know this isn't the most attractive but like this is what feels right now it feels comfortable and I need that that's all that matters that you're comfortable also I'm Sabrina that's Karen oh hi what's up I'm like hi like to who the camera to everyone to everybody but your leopard your leopard pants I love them they looked really cute leopard is Brian it is oh my gosh and I got another gift Brian gifted me something for Christmas which was so cute and sentimental and it actually made me realize something and I don't know what's going on with our brains and the history of our podcast but Brian gifted me this it's a to commemorate our very first episode Bad sleepover and I go August 13th I was like we published on the 14th he goes no 13th and I said no it's the 14th we celebrate our anniversary every single year on the 14

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I looked it up though so then I went on Spotify and I went on Apple podcast and I went on every single streaming platform and we published on Sunday the 13th the 14th was a Monday we have celebrated our anniversary incorrectly no for over seven years no this is no no something changed in the universe this is right the Mandela it was 14 we were so positive it was 14 it was also like that looks so the 13th looks so wrong wrong does and it was also we were so positive because we're also like okay like the 14th it was also exactly like a six-month anniversary to Valentine's Day which was like the whole joke it was always the 14th you just broke my brain right and I was I was so adamant and he was like well when do you publish your episodes I said on Sunday and he went back on the calendar he said 2017 Sunday was the 13th and then I was like well maybe it the actual heck and then I was like well it was a time zone change I probably published it and I was in Eastern and it got published at 9 :30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on Sunday the

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13th I'm upset with the world rightand I wish I didn't know this is Mandela effect it has to be it has to be cuz like we cuz this is not correct no it's wrong but I guess it's right I don't know but I'm suspicious of all of you it was shocking the UN information I'm I don't know what I who can I trust I don't know I don't understand it and I don't really understand how anything works but I guess the side is one day our podcast anniversary will be on Friday the 13th that's where we can we probably already missed a Friday the 13 we didn't even realize it CU we didn't know well [ __ ] anyway okay I I thought the only thing I had to be afraid of was like walking and tripping while I'm drinking my stainle cup and the straw going through my brain but apparently I have to be confused and concerned about my own memory our shared memories our recalls yeah how do you do your hair oh um it's called not sleeping yeah pivot

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hard pivot okay well first of all um thank you for commenting my on my hair but did you notice that my face looks different I waxed my mustache this

Sabrina's Mustache

morning no I didn't notice that because I didn't realize you had a mustach don't I look really beautiful cuz I wax my must clean so your upper lip it just is so bright yeah shinin yeah who needs like lip filler when you just wax your lips that's how you make your lips bigger you just take away any of the Shadows exactly um I think those Shadows probably make it look bigger yeah any well people lipina then you're going to have to get BOTOX or lip Fuller I have botox how does it work have you ever gotten Botox no I'm terrified of needles I can barely get the flu shot I ask for the nose flu shot and they tell me no like that's for children and that was five years ago so no I don't and I never need get my Botox again where do you get it done like in your face I get it on my for CU my forehead's like the and every time I go

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they're like wow you have a big forehead so thank you well you go somewhere else for they're it's my [Laughter] sister the chair also squeaking like the chair is laughing with me go somewhere else where they're not mean to you it's my sister I'm funny today no but other ones have said my forehead's fake it's just a fact it's okay it's not good size it's normal it's average it's larger than average but I think I think proportionate to my face it's larger do the finger trick I'm gonna squinch my fingers to make it five it's a forehead your forehead is a forehead okay whatever anyway that's where I get it and then I've gotten like a little right here but I don't have to do that as much because those muscles are not as strong like I don't Furrow my brow very much yeah but yes so I was in one of my nights where I couldn't sleep it was like 2:30 in the morning I had tried everything to fall asleep so I turned to Tik Tok

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and I saw a video about like curly hair and we both have wavy hair MH but like I don't really tame my wavy hair so I usually blow dry it or do something to it or put it in a bun do you have like my under layer is straight up ringlet curls but then my top layer some of it's waves and some of it's just straight yeah yeah it's terribly and it's just like always like frizzy and doesn't like look good and then when I put products in it gets gross so anyway it's 3:00 a.m. I see a video about like if you have wavy hair like after the shower like you kind of like go like this with it and then you do finger curls oh yeah so I did that at 3:00 a.m. I just got in the shower the curly girl method or something like that something like that yeah and it actually looked really good but then I touched it up with my wand it looks great thank you I was I when you walked in I was like I need to know how you did your hair because it's a lot tighter than when you've done the Dyson was really good I will say it was very timec consuming but if you don't sleep which you don't although you have a child so I don't Noah is a no one

Parenting Challenges - WTF is a Sleep Regression?!

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[ __ ] talks about this what everyone's like oh once you got of the newborn stage you get so much better I did not know about sleep regressions yeah Noah was waking up at first it was like every two hours when before he'd wake up every 3 or four mhm it was every two hours and then it was every hour and then it was every 45 minutes and then for the past 2 weeks it was every 10 to 35 minutes and he wouldn't go back to sleep unless I was holding him and rocking him and I literally hallucinated one of the nights and was like seeing something darting around the room I had to wake up Brian I was like crying because I was like this is unsafe but Noah will not let Brian come for him Noah has decided that Brian is his friend everyone else is his friend and I am his sole caretaker and he has quickly phased everyone out of every single Duty that is a caretaking role so Brian like all the things that Brian used to do it was like very 5050 Noah has been phasing him out and he will not let Brian help Rock him put him

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to sleep calm him anything so it has to be me so I'm even if you're like right there yeah so Brian tried for like 45 minutes and then eventually I just had to like get up and work supervised so yeah no I wasn't sleeping either that's why I don't answer your text messages cuz I can't read I can't see a screen it's like blurring I'm like literally dead you're reading things that don't exist oh joy yeah what is life we can't trust our brains clearly and now you have more reason to not trust your brain I know but we talk about paranormal things yes we do which we can trust and believe in because we know that there's something on the other side maybe it's even this side maybe it's just a weird alternate Dimension maybe we're seeing slips in time yeah I don't know we don't know where are the I'm leaving where welcome to my T talk where are the people that started their pock on August 14th that's my question sorry

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that was a really dramatic way of just literally shifting my weight you've been doing that a lot whenever so I was watching one of the episodes back and you're just fully out of frame because you're just talking while standing and there's no shot with you in frame so it's just like well there's just cr's torso I'm my body hurts so much that I can't just shift I have to put a lot of effort into like moving it yeah it's creaky one day I want to sit in that chair we can switch day I gave you that chair cuz you said that you like that side of your face oh that's so nice that's and that's also my good side but I was like here's the thing I'm not really giving good ever so it is what it is that's so sweet why didn't they want you to be upset I felt like you'd be more self-conscious and I'm shallow no it's just you present Beauty you exude Beauty And even if I'm

The Frogman of Ohio

on my good side oftentimes there is no

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Beauty being exuded so I was just like here's the thing you're being so mean to yourself sometimes I just ignore it when you're being mean to you well my goal was just to show up and I have been doing that so I can have this chair thank you so much you're welcome that that's like so thoughtful I can't with this chair I'm G to cry the same thing for our well I guess I don't announce it because I don't want to be like you get your good side but like for a holiday card when they had us sit around the table I chose the se you said where should we sit and so I was like oh I'll take the I know she wants that chair so I went on the other side and I sat first K like that is that is friend what okay and then there's that's how I know you're not my sister but I should do your Botox I would faint the second I like look at the needle you'd wake up and I'd be like not okay well why are you sleeping when I'm giving you Botox I don't know the scenario got weird Okay anyway anyway life is weird find a friend like Karen who gives you

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your good side yeah so nice you're welcome I love you thank you anyway we haven't seen each other in a week this is why we are talking so much in the beginning but we have a or kren has a story prepared for us I do it's an honor of Ohio and the weirdness that happens there sorry Ohio but I feel like they like the reputation of being weird well oh is confusing because it's massive but the population wise it feels so small and you don't hear he much about Ohio shout out to Jerry and Sierra yeah except that's who I associate like when I think of Ohio Jerry and Sierra yeah ladies and tangents um this you know this sorry oh my gosh people are probably like hating us but Jerry and I have been talking about doing a podcast about being young divorcees but it would be like a secret podcast that we hide behind patreon and it's like you have to pay to listen so I've been talking to her about flying out to Ohio and I'll be I'll see what's up with Ohio are you going to like Mass record a bunch I just well I

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was like I don't know I want to hang out with Jerry and why not go to Ohio why not why not and then we can record so I don't know what we'll do oh my God I'm so excited yeah and talk about our secrets I know you already know all my secrets I know my heart is like racing because I'm very excited about it and I'm also I'm curious about how much you guys will like pull from each other you know like I feel like this will be a yes and where it's like one person shares something and then suddenly something that you weren't going to share you you share cuz we're both in our 30s and divorced and so we were like maybe we could talk about just that experience and we both have very different experiences yeah with that and then the different kind of emotions that come with it both good and bad yeah so maybe I'll go to Ohio you should okay I'm so excited for this podcast we have no like actual plans aside from we want to do it and we want relationship column portion

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you know we like in newspapers yeah you should do that where people write in and you guys just give advice advice or maybe terrible unsolicited advice unsolicited or like jokingly horrible like go be Ferell yeah yeah it's good I like this it's great all right so Ohio is weird yeah stay weird oh and we love it but Ohio residents I'm sure are surely surely surely surely accustomed to turning on the news and seeing some odd strange sto reported but Ohio's weirdness aside yeah I'm not sure anything could have prepared residents for the story of the Frogman last encounters you read a story that included Frogman and I was like [ __ ] I had just put that on my list to cover later in the year and I was like that's it I got to pull it up we got to do it now we got to do it now I got to learn about Frogman the Frog man a crypted a police chase and possibly a frog holding a wand this is is a story that really has it all it is the

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Loveland Frog man so without further Ado let's hop into it I hate you so much but I love you I wrote it in caps because I was like don't forget to say this don't forget to say this pun oh man I are we like extra funny or like is this chair extra squeaky I can't tell no I think we're not funny at all okay cool I think we're just so the chair is just actually alive well we're alive I think we sured let's hop to it I'm excited let's leap into this year with a story of frog man what are other frog puns all right 19 if something comes to you please and drop okay okay well 1955 this is when the story of frog man begins in 1955 it had a lot going on this is the year that Rosa Parks refused to give up her bus seat in Alabama this was the year of the Big Space Race the Cold War was heating up racism and the murder of 14-year-old EMT till spark National outrage and Disneyland open in Anaheim so it was a

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confusing year there was a lot of bad a lot of actually remember when Disneyland opened it was so hot that people's shoes were sinking into the tar so nothing was really going right in 1955 it would appear yeah and so I'm sure presumably there was a lot on the mind of one businessman who was driving through Loveland Ohio on a quiet night he navigated his car along the Little Miami River taking in the beautiful scenery the trees were budding with with new growth the flowers were creeping their way up upon the thawing ground it was May and so this man he turned and he navigated his car over a poorly lit bridge when in front of him as he's glancing around and observing the scener he spots something that he will never ever forget three figures stood on the side of the road not human kind of humanoid but not really he gets closer and these three Figures were frogs and

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he's like am I hallucinating is this a fever dream it has to be because they were not normal small frogs these things were stood erect on their hind legs with leathery amphibian likee skin and distinctly frog faces the Figures were 3 to 4 feet tall oh okay that's like a fourth grader yeah okay and frogs are obviously not that big no unless Ohio's got something going on radioactive leak it's 1955 I'm sure there's radioactive leaks there before the businessman reached the figures he pulls his car over to the side of the road and he watches so he's just observing his figures and they apparently like don't have any problem with him just sitting on the side for like I think it was a total of like three minutes or something he watched so for these three minutes he sits in amazement as the creatures are conversing with one another how do they talk I I don't know

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until one of the frogs pulls something over its head and the guy is squinting he's looking from his car and it's it's dark and his beams are kind of closer to the bridge but like it's really only Street lamps that are Illuminating them and he Squints and the item is becoming a little bit clearer it's a rod of sorts that this frog one of the trio is holding above his head the Frog lifts it over his head where's this going and Sparks flew from it it was a wand a magical wand I was like this is either going from like three frogs hanging to like an Axe Murderer frog man or a wand no it was a magical wand the Frog raised the wand above its head and Sparks flew out across him and his other two frog friends Bippity boity boo a rabbit I mean whoa right Abracadabra Abracadabra there's a piece of information in the story and that is what happened then

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like did they disappear amongst the magical wand did something else come from it did they jump into the river did they abduct the businessman and make them their Frog King I have no idea because the story basically just ends there but we do know I guess that he wasn't the Frog King because the businessman reported this encounter I'm sure with reluctance cuz like what the [ __ ] who would believe him we do we do and with his report supposedly there is a witness sketch which if you're watching in YouTube I will show you but Sabrina did he draw this himself I think so okay this this could not be if this was the police department Ohio we got to talk to you if that is like a professional police sketch because that is um that is like ask your being gu ask your third grader to draw frog men okay so this is where the story sat for

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decades one unnamed man's encounter with magical frogs just outside of the appalachin trail in this little town of Loveland Ohio it was lore it was a fairy tale told amongst local kids and it kind of just was that but any question of validity of the story was answered some two decades later in 1972 when a police officer had a strange encounter in Loveland uh-huh officer Ray shocky of the Loveland Police Department was driving near that very same river in that same area and this time it was March so before the businessman he was driving in the spring now it's winter frog hibernation time it was freezing out the sun was setting it was Dusk and he could just barely see with the last Light and all of a sudden he hears go kiss the girl kiss you kiss the girl like the frogs riting suddenly something strange started across the road and front of this police officer it was

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crouched it was frog likee yet it was huge 3 to 4 feet so this thing wasn't standing on its high legs but it was moving oddly across the ground an officer shocky is like hell no am I going to witness this thing alone so he turns right around he heads back to the station where he convinces another officer Mark Matthews to go with him back to the spot that he' just seen this thing and they're like what are the chances we're both going to see this mystical being out there again exactly and I'm sure Matthews was like okay like whatever I'll entertain this guy but I certainly don't believe him yeah so the two hop to it and they navigate The Quiet roads along the river and guess what they freaking saw frog man a giant frog chilling by the side of the road cheing chilling by the side of the road I like that every encounter they're just sitting there just hanging hanging yeah but so this time he's it's one it's just one frog man just one frog man yeah yeah the 1950s had a trio 197 solo frog he

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left the band I guess I guess so he's breaking Freight Beyonce Matthews clearly wasn't prepared to find anything he didn't believe his friend officer shocky because his response was to shoot at the creature so he pulled out his gun he shot at it and did he hit it well according to lore that is unclear but we do know that these two police officers chased down this Frogman some 40 years later Matthews decided to go back on the story he didn't necessarily deny the entire encounter or say that it was made up not really but he said here's what actually happened oh he said it was March of 1972 he got a call from Ray shaki who was super spooked because officer Ray shaki saw something near Little Miami River and he didn't believe Ray but later that month on St Patrick's Day he was driving in the same area so it's not like the two of them got together and like ran out he just interesting why he change his story so many years later and it's so different I'm not entirely sure so he

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said officer Ray shocky called him and was like I just saw something so weird and they were Partners too so it wasn't like he was just randomly calling someone at the police station they were partners and so shaki is like yo I saw something weird okay and later that month on St Patrick's Day I think it was like exactly two weeks later Matthews is driving in the same area and he sees something run across the road right at that exact same spot that officer shocky had seen something and so he shoots at it and shoots it he then goes and collects the body and he puts it in his trunk and he brings the carcass to Ry and Ry is like yes that is the creature that I saw this is a way more brutal and like yeah this interesting okay so the creature was not a magical frog it was a sickly iguana missing its tail and if you're like how the [ __ ] did an iguana live in the winter of Ohio well apparently they believe it was an iguana that was kept as a pet and was like or had escaped and it was really sick

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obviously because that is not the climate that it should live in and the SP that it had been seen by both officer shaki and by Officer Matthews was right near the pipes that released water used for cooling ovens in the Boot factory right around the corner so basically this was one section where water was being released through the pipes that was warm so it was like barely Staying Alive with this warm water right there and Matthews was like this thing was so close to death it was so ill it was like missing its tail because it was so sick he's saying that but it's just like you killed him so you don't actually know yeah how close he could have been driving he was already dead when you saw him yeah Matthew said that he wanted to tell the truth about the Iguana because and I'm not sure again like why he's correcting it so so much further down

The Frogman Legend Unveiled

the road maybe it's because this is maybe the first time someone asked him I don't know but he said that there was an author of an urban legends book about Ohio that interviewed him about the Frog Man sighting and he told him the story

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and then when the book was published the guy the author had omitted the last part of like and it was an iguana it turned out to be an iguana so then he was like okay well this doesn't feel right because I'm like being quoted I'm like I gave this interview misation and yeah now I'm unknowingly a part of a hoax and I didn't intend to be so that's what he said he has our Dream being part of an urban legend are you kidding I know that's so cool that's that should be like deathbed confession save it for the end of your life yeah come on Matthews come on I don't know I don't trust Matthews I don't trust him at all he's Matthews are you listening to us tell us the Frogman is real well it doesn't really matter what he said because we still have the businessman who's out the trio in the 50s with the magical wand and we have our listener from the last episode or the encounters episode who saw Frogman at her window exactly and a lot of the locals they despite this one particular encounter being said that it was wasn't actually a legit Encounter of Frogman Loveland residents proudly

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adopted Frogman as their local crypted they did not waffle in their beliefs or at least their desire to believe in him and sighting started becoming more and more frequent and it wasn't people just like us people who are like going out to in hopes of seeing something it was just like random people who had had no idea either what Frogman was or had you know like these are people that I wanted to say had some legitimacy to them but that makes us seem like we're not should we are I don't know what we are people who weren't paranormal enthusiasts just your regular laymen we just want to believe everything we want everything to be real yeah these were non-believers who were suddenly encountering Frogman yeah and everybody's like okay well now we have these credible Witnesses who have these bizarre details that are all similar to one another about this giant amphibian in Loveland Ohio why here right so the answer is Factory there's

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some radiation in that water Factory this is this is The Simpsons movie and the Boot factory is radioactive the Boot factory is actually secretly a lab where they're studying frog men or they're like doing tests on frogs and turning people into like Spider-Man but Frogman we need to call Matt groaning CU he probably has the answer to what the [ __ ] Frogman is yeah so we don't really have an answer as to why here but people were starting to speculate that there was a v tunnel system underneath Loveland because there are a bunch of caves and sort of like entrances to tunnels and so they're like wow there must be a secret there must be magical secret tunnel system where the Frog men Thrive yeah and so basically they were like okay there's a Labyrinth of waterways and tunnels and places for these giant frogs to live and practice their magic allowing why am I now picturing like Beauty and the Beast but like what's the Princess and the Frog that movie the whole time I'm thinking of the princess men who've like wronged women in their

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past and they have to like serve out some servitude as a frog and wait to be kissed by a princess oh yes and turn into a real man and they're all like living underr antiy M it's basically a bunch of like divorce men in the condos down the you know there's like that stere you a podcast logo for you and Jerry make a frog logo that can be your mascot frogs you got to got some frogs kiss some frogs I'm really picturing like The Stereotype condo apartment where it's all divorced men and like one single futon yeah exactly yeah but they're frogs but they're all frogs but they're all frogs can write that cartoon that's a good one okay so there's a lot of weirdness and again it doesn't really make sense why they're giant frogs but even if there were giant frogs how are they magical how are they communicating with each other standing up on hind legs with magical wands that is a question well uh creatures like this when they pop up and they hop up we must look to the people who have been on this land

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the longest who know it the best uhhuh the local tribes so the Shaunie tribe told of a similar Beast along the banks of Little Miami River shaah hook the river demon they called it it was a bipedal reptile not unlike the Frog man and they were said to have rubbery greenish skin bulging eyes and to croak like a bullfrog they would stand three to four feet tall and they'd weigh between like 50 to 65 70 lbs so these are Big Bo big boys they eat fish they eat plants but sometimes they would steal a goat or a calf some sustance substance and perhaps they would steal a human or two because once you tastes human you can't go back yeah delicious people were said to have been going missing and so the local tribes men were like we can't have our people kidnapped and killed it's one thing for our goats to go missing another for people to just

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and the shaah hook was thought to be the culprit and so they then went out a bunch of these Hunters were sent out uh to find and kill the shaah hook and they did apparently I think maybe kill some of them but the story goes that they drove most of them out of the area pushing them back into the cave system where they dwell so now we have evidence that some 300 years prior there were oral Stories being told of a very similar creature in this exact area wandless though maybe well you know Evolution they they grew wands they grew wands recently in 2016 there was another sighting Sam Jacobs and his girlfriend were playing Pokemon go in Leland Ohio oh my God that's actually that's the best encounter I know and it's like such a 2016 like Pokémon go was oh it was all the rage and so there out looking for Pokemon it's Wednesday night and they

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cross the train tracks to the banks of Lake Isabella on the hunt for some of these Pokemon they found a real life one basically yes yeah they didn't find Bulbasaur or froy wait is it Froakie I'm trying to remember the names of like the amphibian like Pokemon anyo they did find a frog a huge one standing on its hind legs in the water about 4 feet tall and Sam took some photos and videos there's photos I have no idea if this is a photo that he took but it is on like all the sites where report my gosh here's a photo I have no idea this got glowing eyes but I do know that this is Sam's video at least which we'll put in the YouTube I'm like okay that the drawing that the businessman made isn't I mean it's bad but it's not so bad not totally WR like the way that the Torso is like it is very bulbous yeah you're right oh my gosh so he sent it into new go yeah it's

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pretty wild and it's like one of those things where too so like Sam and his girlfriend after they had that encounter they went back to his girlfriend's house they were like kids I think they were in high school so they're back at the girlfriend's house and they're like oh we saw the weirdest thing and they're telling her parents and her parents are like oh my God you saw the lone frog man and they had never heard of the Frog man either so they were just telling of this like giant frog creature that they'd seen not even think that it was a crypted just like this weird massive oversized mutant frog and so then he went to reporters and he like provided all of the photos and videos that he took and this is I feel like such a I am assuming he's in high school because I feel like this is such a high school thing to say he said I swear on my grandmother's grave this is the truth always on the grandmother's grave yeah you always have to swear on your grandparents life yeah wow yeah I mean it kind of like that video reminds me of those old scuba diving helments oh yeah yeah yeah it kind of looks like that cuz

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they have like the big bulgy eyes yes and it's very Scooby-Doo you're right it totally does look like that that's so wild so the sightings continue even to this day the legend only grows stronger and the area has really adopted the Frog man as their mascot in 2014 there was a musical called hot Dam it's a lovelin frog and it premiered at the Art Academy of Cincinnati during the 2014 Cincinnati French festival and I'm going to show you a couple stills from it because I'm obsessed this one's pretty dark but like love their outfits wow this is a musical we would write 100% and it also gives me the confidence of like why not get into local theater why not should we be like Northshore theater directors no you're supposed to say yes and in theater which is why we should not do it because there's so many things that we want to do and I think if anything we should write a musical and have someone else

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produce it okay yeah okay we'll expand the team and we'll win a Tony yeah we're giving people jobs we're on our way to an egot wow yeah I love that yeah we're above theater director all right look at us you're welcome world you see how I know anded you and it worked yeah oh yeah wow look at this you're all wrong improvisors the real answer is no no but yeah no but PIV there just has to be a butt it can't just be a solid no so obviously there's a musical there have also been many books written about Frogman and a horror found footage movie created based on the scripted speaking of I just watched creep what's that the mark dupass movie it's so [ __ ] weird if you think it's weird there's no way I'm going to like it no you'll you'll like it it's kind of found footage it's basically like this guy hires someone to film his day and it's he said it's Mark D and he said says it's because like he's dying of cancer and it turns into like a creepy

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ooh okay now I'm super intrigued you're really good at elevator pitches cuz I feel like every time you give a 15-second like synopsis of something I you turn me so quick from being like I don't want to watch that to holy [ __ ] I need to watch that yeah well because okay so there's creep and then there's creep 2 and then I think recently creep the creep tapes just came out it's a TV show but so I before watching the show I was like I'm going to watch the first movie and it made me feel uncy it was yeah I really liked it disturbing and like a good intriguing Thriller it's a good and a little different than yeah many okay speaking of let me just pivot really fast from the story which is about to be done and show everyone a couple of things my brother got oh yeah me for Christmas please a giant box of treasures so a24 has an a huge shop yeah which I had no idea about and they have all of the screen plays mhm with photo stills from their movies available as coffee table

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books so sick so Christian got me hereditary love it which my brother and I are like big he's so far ahead of me we used to be like neck and neck with sharing spooky movies with each other be like I red this go watching the next 24 hours like weird ones Christian is definitely more of like a depraved movie Watcher than than I am he is less scarred if he hears that there's something that's like so disturbing you can't watch it he watches it he's probably watched t oh he certainly I'm sure has watch we should talk about it yeah he's definitely ahead of me because you have a child he just tells me everything and then I I've told him I'm like I need like a oneyear uh break because now I have to creep around in the middle of the night and I can't be thinking about these things in the dead of night when I'm and then he got me the talk to me hand ah oh my gosh and I need to look it up but it's an incense burner so you put incense in here and then there's a hole that comes out of finger so I'll figure it out and then next year I'll wear my

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next year Well if this was last week this would have worked next week I'll wear my Shrek shirt and we we light the hand I'm like nervous It Feels So legit I know doesn't it wait I love it great gifts though such a cool gift and then I was looking on A2 24's website and I was like I kind of want to get all the coffee table books all those screen plays this is perfect for our studio I know well that's what he said he was like I got this for you I figured you want to put it on your bookshelf I love it okay so whether the Frogman to wrap it up is a crypted a mutant or just a very confused iguana or multiple iguanas one thing is for sure Frogman is one of Ohio's most enduring Legends and who knows maybe one day we will capture proof maybe one day

Modern Sightings and Cultural Impact

Sabrina will fly to Ohio Traverse around the rivers of Loveland and kiss a few frogs along the way I just go to Ohio and I kiss everyone um okay well now I need to know where Jerry lives in relation to Loveland Ohio but

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also it's interesting because I feel like our story from our listener last episode was not from Ohio like it was along the appalachin trail I think more in the South so I'm really curious well because Loveland is like right near Kentucky it's like right near the border there so I don't know where the last listener was but I wonder if she was potentially in Kentucky but it is one of those interesting things where it's like the Appalachian Appalachian mountains are such a old mystical place right where people don't understand what's going on and there's just like an intense amount of Cryptids and magic and demons and beings and portals and yeah odd humans and just things like that happening serial killers nature enthusiasts Birds but it's it's like one of those things where it's like could there just be some weird portal just pushing out frog people yeah I mean they're minding

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their own business they seem to be yeah that's the other thing they're not they're just hanging hopping around yeah chatting chatting to each other and like I want to know more I'm intrigued by the Frog man they seem like the most passive crypted ever right because they really aren't do but then what's up with the magic wand what are they doing I don't know I love that they're practicing magic what are they controlling in Ohio everyone they actually W division but it's the frogs control the Ohio Ohio and the the Buckey people what do they call themselves over there I don't know the Ohio residence I feel like ohioan no wait oh that's like Ohio Ohioans that's not right no that's wrong that is wrong but frog men are not wrong I like them yeah they're pretty interesting I feel like I keep going to the like melon head m Cryptids and this idea of some type of

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radioactive test went wrong or something yeah and they were just released and and or they escaped the lab see that's like so the thing that would make sense to me when it comes to their size and just all the stuff like that because it's also almost like like I think of like dinosaurs and stuff like are there are there creatures that we thought to be extinct or are creatures that used to be huge that maybe somewhere still a small subset exist and so I I would think radioactive or just prehistoric frog beings living in a cave system that we don't quite know exists makes sense it's the magical wand where I'm like but no one no one has seen a magical wand since that experience that's true and also the 50s maybe got into they were trying some LSD yeah there's there's a lot of pill popping I think in the 50s those benzos oh I forgot to take my meds this morning I forgot to pop my PO I did I forgot too oh man well that's the Frog man take it

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later I like the Frog man I couldn't find another listener story about frog man so I went crypted um I went aliens and crypted wow we got two in one well this is great because also when I was doing my research I didn't include them in this but there were references of like the Kentucky goblins and another group that was like swimming in a lake or something and then they got one woman got like pulled under and thought it was like a giant frog man like very shape of water or something and so the similar theme amongst all of these aside from like amphibian like creatures or some sort of like weird Goblin creature was UFO sightings in all of these areas well I feel like my instinct was to think they're alien like because like the bulb is heads the yeah slimy greenish texture but and also I will say one other thing is that year I think in the 1950s it was either the year after or the same year that creature of the Black Lagoon came

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out oh the movie yes so so people there's some influence potentially interesting yeah because you really do have to look at the time and what was happening to understand like Legends and folk a little B and like why is there an uptick and sightings During certain yeah periods of time but this isn't a legend it's truth yeah and also it's like what are people going to say about this time when there's so many UFO sightings and social media is so present yeah actually but it's also it's not just like anecdotally someone calling into the news being like I saw UFO like there's so much footage yeah so I'm curious how that will be explained in a couple decades we'll all be dead by then yeah because the aliens will come and kill us all yeah yeah or just take us to a new place okay well this is from our listener jacine it's called aliens and discovering a new crypted ooh a new one hi wonderful gorgeous ghouls I'm jacine you can say my name if you'd like because I will flip if I hear you read

Listener Encounters: Aliens and Cryptids

this on the podcast she said some nice

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things to us but I'm going to skip over that okay I've always been into everything paranormal and Cryptids Spirits aliens Bigfoot and other Cryptids that's my thing so I'm a longtime listener who has wanted to write in for a long time but I couldn't think of anything to write in and I wanted to send something that you both would like which I love and I've had a few experiences and I'll send those in another time but nothing really has happened until recently ooh okay H dramatic d d the first thing I wanted to talk about happened sometime this summer I was at my friend's house and we decided to sit outside at her house to soak up the last bit of Sun at our peaceful spot in her backyard before it got dark she has a cute backyard with a view of an open field back behind her house that is surrounded by Woods we were talking and the next thing we know the only lights we have are our phones and a street light we live in a peaceful area in upstate South Carolina and the only things that we've encountered or had to worry about about in her backyard had been rabbits and squirrels rustling in the bushes and leaves and then of course

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spiders popping out of nowhere yeah being startled by Wildlife is usually all we have to look out for but this night was different I had previously looked at my phone and it was a little past 9:00 she and I were just sitting at her outdoor table facing each other I could see the field and the woods behind her and I'm really into stargazing so I would periodically look up at the sky and I've seen some fascinating and beautiful things this night was different I'm still looking for answers of what it could have been as I was looking up in the sky I saw something unusual at first I thought it was an airplane with a green light but as I was watching I realized it was not it had a long stream of green light following behind it reminding me of a shooting star the craziest and frightening thing is that it looked like the aircraft was crashing it looked low to the ground it was going very fast it literally looked like it was about to crash into Earth before it disappeared behind the dense Tree Line oh my God and it all happened within seconds I was yelling my friend's name and telling her to look pointing

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her in the direction terrified she turned around but didn't catch a glimpse of anything no glowing green stream of light and she was like what what finally I found my words and I told her we both sat there looking and listening because I was worried something actually crashed I didn't know what to do I was concerned in contemplating if I should call and report it to someone I would have dragged her along with me to go investigate more if it hadn't been so far away eventually we went inside because I was too spooky to stay outside we always try to keep updated on when full moons are meteor showers Etc like I said I'm really into stargazing and I inherited the interest from my dad we always try to keep updated on when full moons are meteor showers Etc my dad even likes to know the schedules of different satellit coming through our area and I'm a very rational person so I like to look at logical parts of things before jumping to conclusions so when this instance happened I immediately went into investigation mode I was racking my brain thinking of what it could have been I know what airplanes look like at night I even know what satellites look like at night M and it was neither of

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those things the next morning I was telling my dad about the experience when I remembered something about a year prior I was driving home late one night around 12:00 in the morning when I saw what I thought was an airplane flying in the sky when I got a second look it had the same green glowing stream behind it so bizarre yeah I feel like I've been seeing footage too recently of kind of similar yeah the green glowing stream I asked my dad if he had known of any satellites orbiting at the time or Rockets being launched and he said no he didn't know of any the only logical explanation I can come up with is a rocket or a green shooting star I don't know let me know if you have any thoughts I think Alien aliens like you you totally saw an alien yeah it's some sort of spacecraft something yeah it's so weird yeah okay the second experience I want to talk about happened also late at night I was on my way home from a friend's house and this does does kind of remind me of frog man I was on my way home from a friend's house when my

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headlights caught some ey shine in the distance I slowed down because we have lots of wildlife around here and I didn't want to risk hitting anything the weird thing was that this particular creature looked very long the grass on the side of the road had grown up pretty high so I was worried that whatever it was would disappear into the crass before I got a better look as I got closer I also noticed that it was like slinking almost slithering across the road still inching closer I saw what I thought was a tale but it was almost reflective and when finally I got close enough and I almost halted to a stop to see what I thought was a new kind of crypted that no one else in the world had ever seen before and that I was discovering I realized it was actually a black cat and five baby kittens trailing behind her not an iguana but closeth no I laughed so hard and I continued home or was it a crypted that tricked you and morphed really quickly into something else to make you think that you were actually just seeing a cat but you were actually thing a crypted that didn't want to get caught duh duh those are two of my

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experiences I wanted to write about also I recently started listening to your older episodes when I wait on new episodes to be released and I know you guys always say oh no not the first few episodes but yes even those I'm listening to them I don't think they're as bad as you guys think no and we're learning to like it because now we have a plaque to remember yeah and also clearly we don't remember when it came out so how do we know if they're good or not with that being said I recently was listening to episode 11 and you guys were talking about Halloween costumes in this instant it's around the 4 minute 20 second Mark if you want to relisten and Karin was talking about her Halloween costume ideas with her future kids and she said she had decided that she would dress up as jigsaw with a tricycle put a wagon on the back of it and bring her little mini jigsaws around with her yeah 100% once trick-or training starts mhm she win so just wanted to remind you in case you want to use it thank you ja oh no that one that one has been committed to and you have the Jack I mean you have the Jaclyn costume you have the jigo yeah no I pre-bought it yeah thank you for reading this I love you guys so much

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when I listen I feel like I'm driving down the road listening with a couple of my best friends and if you guys want to go on a tour again please keep upstate South Carolina in mind I wish you guys the best in life and plenty of Peace success and happiness see you on the other side but hopefully this side as well Jacqueline well Jacqueline maybe you didn't find a new crypted but 100% that alien UFO sort of situation like what's the other explanation for that a shooting star with a green tail I don't know maybe but seeing it twice is interesting yeah and if it's like looking like it's going to crash too like a shooting star is so distant and far away they go yeah they come and go so inter it was like remember I had that fireball experience where I saw a fireball when I was in high school and it was never reported anywhere and like still to this day I can't find any records of it and it was huge and my dog looked at it too and like look to me like the world is ending we got to go cuz it wasn't a fireball I don't know it looked like a fireball but that's that's what I was thinking like maybe I don't know I don't know I think Jaclyn saw an

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alien and I'm still convinced that Jaclyn saw a creepy crypted that morphed into or changed your reality to make you think you were saying a cat oh my gosh I understand why everyone loves Tik so much because now my favorite thing is this girl it's because I'm disassociating anyway there was a video of a man who saw he was driving on the road and he saw a kitten in the middle of the road so he got he gets out of his car he thinks he's going to save like one kitten he goes towards the kitten and all of a sudden like dozens literally dozens of kittens come pouring off the side of the road like it was like the one cat being like it worked and called all of his friends he ends up rescuing 13 kittens 13 is that one letter how many cats I can't imagine it's one letter I don't know but 13 kittens and I was like why has this never happened to me oh my gosh I know that's one of the weird things I feel like so in college there was one girl in one of my classes who she had like three cats her family did and all three cats they just found on the side of the road she said one day she was driving on the

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highway and saw a cat like and pulled over and went and scooped it up I'm like how are you just I've never just seen a cat or kitten on the side of the road so I've definitely seen a cat or a kitten on the side of the road and there was that one time when I lived in Marina del re or pla Del re and there was a kitten I had like parked and I saw a kitten under a car but it was so scared that I couldn't get it out remember like I I literally was like crawling under this van trying to get it and it wouldn't come a poor baby I even called um animal services but they didn't like come I know I feel like I don't want to insult anyone if they work for like animal control or animal services but I kind of feel like they're useless in many different ways like it's that's why I literally keep a pair of gloves in my car for help when we Sav the bird yes that was such a good experience cuz I had my gloves remember my car was I was like got to go I'll be back in five and I sprinted to my car and got my Wildlife handling gloves and I was a bodyguard I was watch out that bird would have been squished to the amount of people going

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by with like strollers and bikes and stuff like cuz it also looked dead but it was just stunned it was stunned it had hit like a window or something in the early morning light wow um well this was a fun episode thanks for being here everyone we love you and next episode you'll see us in our Christmas gifts that we got each other if you have any encounters with Frogman or aliens or ghosts or anything please email them to us at two girl1 ghost podcast at gmail.com and if you want episodes adree and one week early join us on patreon we also have bonus episodes over there we have campfire stories every Tuesday night where you can come share your ghost stories with us live and also for for anyone that doesn't know us so patreon is $5 a month and you get everything and you get everything we only have one tier and if you join for the whole year you get a pretty significant discount yeah that's true5 a month and a holiday card yeah yeah yeah yeah it's fun thank you you guys for coming back we're very excited for everything that we have planned for this year so many things so many things

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shout out to Jamie who edits our podcast and shout out to all of you we love you and we will see you on the other side bye very spooky