Haunted with Tiffany Reese from Something Was Wrong

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very spooky hello people look I can spin towards you I'll just record oh well we're together we are Sabrina's a [ __ ] mle and we have a special episode for you today we got to chat with I feel like I am proud of myself because I didn't fan girl as much as I was internally yes there is one podcast that I listen to religiously even through the pandemic when I like stopped having a commute I still always listened to

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something was wrong so we're really excited to have Tiffany Reese on the show of something was wrong if you haven't listened to something was wrong the podcast highly recommend it the new season just came out and it is a wild rhyme yeah there's 20 Seasons so far if something was wrong so you've got a lot of catching up to do lots to catch up Tiffany does an amazing job at advocating for the victims in these stories and works with victims to tell their stories mhm but she took a little break to tell us not something that was wrong with humans but something that was wrong with a haunted house she went to we hope you enjoy Tiffany you teased us

Accidental hauntings

we haunted you by accident you haunted me so I was in a recording for season 20 long recording and we're like talking about something that it's already like a very horror movie part of this story that This Woman's telling me and in between like getting a little break my

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husband had brought in my merch box and like set it down and I think set like a water bottle down or something cuz I'm usually if I'm in like a 5 hour recording like in you know every two hours I'm like frantically texting my husband like can you throw water at me and some crackers water snacks help I'm goingon to be here for the next six hours just go on without me you know so he had like just brought the box so I could look at it whenever and all of a sudden we get back on the recording after a bathroom break we're talking and then all of a sudden we just hear this like like weird ass noise that I've never heard on Zen cter before and I was like oh my God was that you and she's like no and I was like you didn't just like drop the microphone and and so then we both kept like we'd talk and then it'd like come back and we were like oh my God my two girls one ghost merch just got here I think it's haunted [ __ ] oh my God so I have to I haven't pulled up the recording yet but apparently y'all are you have to listen listen back cuz what if it's Whispering

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like if it's actual words I haven't gone through the footage yet all the way through yet but I haven't yeah I'll have to clip it and send it to you guys so you can analyze yes well because with our Conjuring merch a few people have said that their children react to the front there's like one or two images where kids will just like point and be like ghost but it's like it's a picture of me and Sabrina and then it's a picture of the house like there's no ghosts but a lot of people's kids have started pointing to our sweatshirts and saying things about the and they're scared of it sweatshirts so we're like oh my God is our merch haunted what where is it being produced I'm probably the same place everybody produces there so I'm like what is happening the same place the Winchester Mystery House produces their merch or what yeah no serious have you guys been there have you done one on that we have I did an episode on it and Sabrina went and tored it I have not God I did okay though I heard okay cuz you live near there right yeah you have to

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go yeah so but I've heard that a lot of the stuff that they kind of tell the world is made up I don't know they were kind of just like she's crazy [ __ ] was just building anything hey she kept a lot of people employed so we got to give her that she did she kept people busy she had to be a Capricorn she was The Sims before the Sims existed she's like let me just put up random walls and doors and totally it's a new stairway let's try it right and now they have a Tik Tok and people get married there and that's fine oh totally normal that's ROM no just kidding but it's like because it's very like commercialized right so it's it's like absolutely gorgeous but also then you go in I remember going in there as a kid and being like and we're touring this because this is normal we actually I drove up for Friday the 13th and so they did like the ringing the third the Bell 13 times and everything oh not the Bell not the Bell the Bell the Bell

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summons the spirits it must but we should apologize Tiffany we are sorry for haunting you if that's potentially what happened but also we but are we sorry it is self-proclaimed most haunted podcast it's authentic you got to give yourselves that we didn't do anything this is proof like you're the one that had the experience we did Absol to make this happen fact these are just the facts these are hard cool facts we will produce the audio if necessary it got so creepy that the suror I kind of felt bad cuz she was I was like making jokes about it being haunted and stuff and she's like okay can you stop cuz I'm actually getting and I was like oh my God I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I was just joking I'm just joking you're like forgetting that she's not on the same wavelength yeah I was oh man well now we know she'll never listen to our podcast it's funny as we were preing for

Personal impacts of true crime

this episode K and I like kept talking about how we spend so much time talking about the Paranormal and how scary it is but ultimately people are the scariest

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like people are far scarier than the Paranormal but it's interesting hearing you say this Survivor is like I've probably been through so much but don't talk about the Paranormal like I don't want to get scared by that right yeah the real monsters live everywhere yes they live everywhere Among Us yeah I mean you're on season 20 yes how do you even exist in the world and like meet a human and be okay with meeting them after everything that you know and trust them yeah I feel like I would never be able to walk into a grocery store again it definitely has impacted me I think yeah like I that in combination with like covid and just I don't know if you guys feel this anxiety but like even just like and this sounds like the most douchebag humble brag but being recognized like when I'm out with my kids in public has made me feel really uncomfortable not that anybody's ever made me uncomfortable but I'm just like I've always wanted my work to be known

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and not necessarily me you know right and that's something I kind of had to work on as the podcast grew and well especially when you're with your children exactly cuz I was at like California Adventure one time and I'm like with them and it was just like the mom Bear Instinct came over me um and I also was just like right away I was like I'm not Tess holiday because my youngest son has like long blond hair and looks just like test holidays son and so multiple times I've been like out with him and people have been like are you and I'm like no I'm not don't so funny your son is being recognized I'm like six almost six feet tall she's definitely not but it's just funny so I was like I'm not and but then instantly like I said they were really nice and I don't want to like discourage people but it is definitely like because of the work that I do I never know when someone's approaching me because they want to thank me or like there's somebody that we've talked about you know right yeah they're pissed that you said something that has never happened thank God but you know anxiety and stuff I know well thank you so much for

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creating something was wrong and for the empathy that you have shown so many people because your show and your work has really like inspired me and moved mountains in my own like trauma work and life work and so thank you for creating something was wrong well thank you for saying that and for listening and for having me and you guys are awesome I'm so excited that we're like finally connecting I think you guys are like friends with pay Lindsay a little bit Yeah but that's I like I literally just saw your guys's podcast name cuz pay had been on your show or something and shared like a story and I was like I'm [ __ ] adding these ladies because this is the funniest [ __ ] podcast name I've seen yet so then I started watching your guys's like teasers and stuff and of course you're amazing a thank you yeah but that's how I found you well we've been listening to you for years just simply was like because I remember watching the two girls one cup when that [ __ ] dropped on these your lime wire um

Internet nostalgia and culture

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how far into that did you get like did you how much of that did you watch is the question they explained it to me ahead of time I it was like a roommate situation where it's like you can't escape you're already in it before you can get out of it like somebody just comes into the room with the video playing like and I was just like it they knew because I'm like the person who passes out if I see blood I have the weakest stomach same and so it was presented to me very much like you're going to hate this oh my God it really did traumatize all of us I cannot believe jenzie doesn't have to go through that thank God I don't know whose idea that was but still the name is fantastic although now in my adult years if someone presented that video to me I would have to watch just to know cuz I have a sick Fascination well yeah yeah if you could stomach it I mean I guess yeah I did do that to Sabrina the other day because around the time that two girls one cup was going around there was also meatspin.com I don't know if you were victim to that all weird websites about there was another one was

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it e-bombs oh e-bombs world I don't know there was one that like my dude friends would go on and it was just like disturbing things yeah wild west of the internet I'm like is this the dark web like I don't like that's how I felt when they would show me [ __ ] it is though the dark web didn't exist yet when the internet first came out like we were just on it it was everything no it was the it was literally nobody was watching us like I was in chat rooms like here's my location I'm 12 what your name like no [ __ ] awareness just at all how are we alive honestly because our parents neglected us so early on that we had to turn into like little latchy kids I think we're all little matildas we were just like biking to Taco Bell at 7 just [ __ ] living dude I know oh my gosh watching America's Most Wanted just doing [ __ ] whatever and also why was I allowed to just constantly watch reruns of Law and Order SVU when I was

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12 God that's religion first of all it is we like to say Olivia Benson is Mommy oh yeah she is so badass that show's like what what season are they even on they're a million still I don't know Seasons I did watch the season that bebler came back because I was like oh my gosh so blessed I'm not one for white dudes but he does it for you for sure the whole show even is kind of attractive by the end you knowly yes yes I feel like you spend a lot of time talking about sub scary people in the world and we also clearly all of us spend a lot of time listening watching things that remind us of how terrible and scary people are in the world but today maybe you can uh talk more about the Paranormal side of things right this [ __ ] feels like nothing right compared to the anxiety of working in the entertainment industry this is nothing that's a horror movie

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okay also I realized I look like freaking Chucky the doll I almost said that to you Sabrina earlier but then I didn't want you to feel self-conscious about your outfit but you were giving Chucky Vibes Chucky is in for fall now okay but Tiffany you said that you

Early paranormal experiences

grew up with some haunted places that you and your friends would like talk about a lot do you want to tell us about them yes so I will say I was raised in a very like ghost adjacent household like my biological mom definitely believed in ghosts and from a very early age was like [ __ ] ghosts are real dude like to the point where it was a little bit much and you're like okay it's your whole personality though oh well I mean that's us but she was also like scared it was like she was obsessed with it but she was also like scared because she grew up in like a very religious you know where like it's from the devil and any sort of ghost and thing is like from the devil so I remember doing her finding out that

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I had done a Ouija board when I was seven in Mexico well to be fair they let me go to Mexico by myself when I was seven with a bunch of teenagers like on a theater trip that like with adults they just met like a month before I was definitely a raise my own self kid so I did this like Ouija board and I remember like going home and telling my mom like I [ __ ] talk to Satan or whoever is in charge of the Ouija board like thinking she's going to be super proud of me and she was so mad she was like don't ever fck [ __ ] play with it like you're this is you could curse yourself like it just I was like so [ __ ] scared after that so that was like my intro do you remember what happened when you played the Ouija board or do you mostly remember your mom getting mad at you for playing with it I mostly remember that but I do remember believing that it was 100% real yeah like it was working how many people did you play with it was like 12 of us and again I was like the youngest kid most of the kids were like 12 to 15 probably yeah and there was like one other boy who was around my age

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but he wasn't there that evening cuz he had a parents that like cared about him and watched him and stuff on the trim so I'm just like with the 16-year-old does a seven-year-old just like let's [ __ ] do this which like who am I talking to with the Ouija board is it Spirits is that who you're talking to just in general like is it like a chat room well this is why Ouija boards are so dangerous because you don't know well I guess any form of communication can be dangerous because you don't know when there's some trickster spirits associated with Ouija boards like there's different demons that come in POS is your family members pose is just like some guy who died 200 years ago but really they're trying to feed off your energy like go home with you latch on to you and there's all these rules about closing out the boards and all this and also Tiffany I have to tell you Mexico is one of the most haunted [ __ ] places we've ever the whole thing is giving haunted okay it's soed I feel like you're lucky that the worst thing that happened was your mom yelling at you honestly I mean I was lucky to make make it out alive after that trip but

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seriously so have you touched a Ouija board since I have not but like I'm pretty like you know open to anything you'd [ __ ] with a oua board so like I'll do anything couple times but I remember too like playing light as a board stiff as a feather what was it stiff as a light as a feather stiff as a board and then like one of our friends moms finding us at a sleepover and being like that is from Satan like everything is from Satan witchcraft that kind of thing so that was kind of my intro to like the is it paranormal okay like if I sound ignorant please clarify so I don't sound stupid to your to your G we don't know anything by the way we should preface this that like we've been talking about cuz K and I both grew up in haunted houses and we've had a lot of our own encounters and we've been talking about ghosts now on the podcast we've been doing this almost seven years what the one thing we can confidently say is we don't know anything when it comes to the Paranormal

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it's kind of the beauty of the Paranormal like we get to sit in this Niche little category where it's like you'll never really have the answers and so you can say things and everything is theory and no one can really get mad at you because how do they know that you're wrong and but then they still find a way to be mad at you because they're like why do you believe in ghosts and it's like well why did you listen to our podcast right yeah don't listen if you don't want to know you can also press pause and exit at any [ __ ] time you like well I think they do and then they trip and fall on the way to press pause and then suddenly they've created a Reddit page and they don't know what's happened my favorite are the people on Reddit who have never listened to your show but know everything about you and your show right and then I'm like they're the most loyal listeners we shouldn't even say them their bad spirits will come in here the Reddit Spirits I don't want I'm more afraid of that than anything honestly if there would be a demon like Reddit demon would probably be the scariest demon the scariest demon or YouTube comments demon yes that's where they used to be the

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worst now I think it's Reddit in Discord like if they make a Discord about you just call the cops and file a report we made a Discord about ourselves so we can monitor it fair Discord intimidates the hell out of me Discord and pilates to me are like the two things in this universe that I'm intimidated by Pilates oh yeah I could see that being really hard for you and yeah you're your Nimble little body you're really giving unathletic and difficult to excise let's talk about though those reformers look like freaking torture devices they do look like torture devices that is correct and those little discs like stop trying to humiliate me is this a humiliation ritual or is this an exercise class that's how I felt after I left the most humiliating thing about Pilates classes is that there will always be an 80-year-old woman next to you doing it like it's yeah like it's absolutely nothing not even breaking a sweat okay so you're for Ray in was a Ouija board

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which is pretty intense yes and so then you know I did Winchester House I did do some things like when I was in high school I thought I was super edgy and punk rock and me and my friends would break into the graveyard and lay on the graves and like take band photos and do ridiculous stupid emo things we were like we're so cool like we would literally get drunk in when I was like 14 breaking into the graveyard this is so inappropriate and disrespectful by the way we thought we were so edgy we thought we were gonna like marry Davey Havoc from AFI and raise the spirits from the grave oh my God and then I just kind of didn't think about these kinds of things anymore it was just a phase mom it was just a phase for me a little bit I think also because like my mom was so into it like anything when you're a teenager you're like okay like I'm gonna like that less now yeah but as I went into like early college age what I want to

The haunted house story

talk to you guys about today there was

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this notorious house and then my friend Denise she gave me her permission to use her name I had forgotten that she was with me one of the times and she was like her response was the best she found the GPS coordinates for us of the exact location of where the house was I don't know how whoa but it's in Sheridan California I'll read you what she remembers about it first because I felt like it was really funny she's like Tiffany I have so much to say about this I talk to my husband about it like every few months we did go there with a group it was so [ __ ] scary and I remember thinking it was all a bunch of demons at the time oh goodness I'm going to try and have to think and we'll get back to you I'm so glad morbidly that I'm not the only one that was deeply disturbed by that night which will make more sense when I tell you what happened when we went oh my gosh and so then I was like oh my God how did you find the [ __ ] address and she's like I'm not kidding when I tell you that I've thought about this every few months since we went there I'm so excited to hear this and also so she was like really religious at

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the time and we went with a bunch of Christian banded [ __ ] boys oh my God why do I feel like this is giving me like Jennifer's Body I was just thinking that I don't know what that is but oh you have to watch that movie that's on your watch list it's Megan Fox oh say less she's such a good actress feminist that's what I meant why I like her the feminism obviously it is a great movie I'm sure it is so then she continues okay so here's what I remember I brought a lantern because there was no power we parked on the side of the road near a little bridge that went over a small stream Creek she has a way better memory than me I should have smoked way less weed there was a group of maybe 18 15 of us we walked down past a small gate about 50 ft on our left was a small house in front of that was an old barn and beyond that darkness and farmland I love how she's written this wow it was dusk so we are only we only had a bit of light left I remember turning on our Lantern turn flashlights as we entered

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the seemingly abandoned house I'm glad that I didn't read all of this until now some people made comments about hearing actual farm animals in the distance suggesting Farm activity while witnessing an abandoned farmhouse on entering I Remember full chills Goosebumps I was super religious at the time and immediately assumed it was a demonic presence I can remember walking to the abandoned house to the living area in front of us and an abandoned and trashed kitchen beyond that this is amazing to the right the living room area extended and went around the corner to an area with bedrooms and basement access she's not kidding she's this is so ingrained in her mind burned into her memory wow poor thing was stressed out convinced she was going to hell she revisits the details every few months to make sure that she still remembers it right she's like what did that really happen I remember someone accidentally stepping on some sketchy flooring and falling through the floorboards that

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really [ __ ] happened literally one of the dudes we were there with that was like hella tall and skinny as we're going through the top level [ __ ] falls through so we're we all scream [ __ ] bloody murder and run the [ __ ] out of there wait how did he get out oh well I'll take you through what I remember in just a second okay so then she's like I remember going around the corner and being confronted with the door to the basement immediately I felt a feeling of [ __ ] no which was yeah I felt the same feeling and then she said I feel like someone else opened the door and saw that although the staircase was torn up and damaged there was blood on the basement walls this was the one point where do I remember people panicking and I think I may have run out at this time I also remember there being dead cats what and pentagrams on the floor walls oh cuz there was graffiti like the whole house was graffitied inside so oh God which that suggests like Satanic rituals people were using it for something I

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think is what ended up happening because especially the blood on the walls no I think it was paint like I think it was like yeah I don't know but then she says because I was so deeply religious I felt so Disturbed but now I feel like intrigued and I can't believe how vividly I remember that night still she also said that and this is goes back to the [ __ ] boys we were with the Christian [ __ ] boys but she was like I remember also we were we listened to the song Sleepwalking by Blindside on the way there and I remember that because like whenever she would hear the song after that she would feel guilty oh I was going to joke did you guys play like Evan essence or one of those like Christian rock bands I'm so sorry she felt so I did not have that experience at all okay so you were too high Tiffany she was she was on alert and you're like whoa I was like probably drunk again yeah I was like w how old were you again okay I would have been like probably 18 during this time cuz I was definitely with my exboyfriend so and she was with

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her exx so we had heard about this haunted house from my friend mad she found out about the haunted house when her senior year of high school a group of boys took her out to this location and they were walking her like she was going to go to the haunted house her and I think one other girl and one of their friends was hiding in the bushes with a chainsaw and scared them are you [ __ ] I would think I was going to die as a senior prank that's not a prank that's a near-death experience and I was like what the [ __ ] yeah I couldn't believe it horrifying I thought it was insane they all acted like it was funny and I was like I'm built different like I would have never left the house again certainly so that's how I originally heard about this house and then we we all talked about it we all go out there so yeah there I remember there was like a group of like probably 12 of us and we took two cars and I don't remember Blindside so she must have been in the other car cuz I remember pulling up blasting Michael Jackson's Thriller at

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full volume to the place the most appropriate song yeah of course like when that ghost voice at the end came on I was like I felt that you know it's like completely pitch dark it's definitely like Farm country so that all tracks like her I don't remember that about The Barn at all I'm glad she provided that Insight I go in with a bunch of people I probably was one of the last to go in cuz I was like what the [ __ ] so scared like I don't want to go in there it's probably spiders like I wasn't thinking about ghost I was thinking about just it being dirty and gross kind of a thing and like somebody trying to like jump scare me and I was not wrong because the freaking floor caved in so like you were right to be worried about the architecture and what was inside that house structurally totally it was trespassing to be clear like I mean I'm pretty sure I it was abandoned but like nobody should have been in there right so we go in the living room was just like an empty space the living room looked the most normal when you went downstairs there was a basement and just like she said what I recall was that it was graffiti like red

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graffiti like it to me it felt like teenagers had gone there and purposefully tried to make it look spooky because they knew that people went so that was my interpretation of it there was like pentagrams and like red paint that kind of looked like blood and it was definitely dirty and gross and what I had been told about the house before we went was that a family was murdered there by the husband and then that's why the house had been abandoned I have no reason to believe that that's true I'm sure it's just like an urban legend or something I hope it's not true was it abandoned with Furniture in it or was it empty so I was one of the few people after homeboy fell through the floor that was stayed in the house and I cuz I wanted to go to the top cuz I noticed there was like a little staircase to the top and when I got up there it was like kind of like a attic bedroom and there was a [ __ ] baby carriage in there like a buggy oh the creepiest item that they could have left

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behind in like the attic too a [ __ ] buggy dude I was like there may have been a baby doll in it I don't know but I was like oh that's even worse what if it started crying right so that was a wrap for me and I think that's when I left it was the baby doll carriage it wasn't the house trying to literally consume your friend falling through the it was just like the fact that there was props I felt like like I don't know is this like to catch a ghost hunter and somebody's going to come out and be mad at us cuz we're here I also was like I'm such a rule follower that I was plagued by like the fact that I was in somebody else's property you know going through this thing like those were my concerns honestly but I mean it could have been haunted I I definitely didn't feel that I mostly just felt like scared um in general but I have definitely felt other things where I've been at like old houses and felt like was that [ __ ] you know like I definitely have had that

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feeling but I didn't have it there but I did go back another time too oh you did with a different group yeah it was funny to me that I have friends in Sacramento that were like I've never heard of this what the [ __ ] like why didn't you take me there and I'm like I thought everybody knew because I I just remember talking to so many people about it from so many different like groups of friends and stuff so I ended up going back the second time and I don't even know if I went in I think I just more like went with the group do you know does it still exist like if you looked on Google Maps at the coordinates does it finally looks like somebody demolished like it's been flattened okay but is it flattened because some developer or new family is going to build their dream home on this property that's a question I don't know it's interesting how California is so densely populated but there's still these Pockets where there's just nothing like and this this part Sheridan is very much like a farming Community probably of like a few thousand population it's like one of one gas station and you had

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to go I remember it was out there like you had to drive like I don't know how so many of us knew the coordinates and how to get there except for Myspace did exist like I mean this was like early a so but this was like Map Quest days yeah so we were wearing 27 tank tops and using mat Quest directions probably during this time with our emo haircuts of course this does feel like the beginning of House of Wax or one of those movies where it's like all the kids piling in yeah going together into this kind of like desolate area that same group we also went to in Cola a haunted hotel one time but we didn't go like during the day like normal people we went at like 1:00 a.m. and we decided to do it well that's when you're supposed to go to like if you want to experience something spooky and like set the stage before even going 1:00 a.m. is an appropriate time to go yeah yes it

Bigfoot and the Emerald Triangle

felt right okay I'm looking up where Sheridan is and I realized that the sier Nevada mountains it's a huge mountain range but there is one of the we'll have

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to send you the recording later but there was a very famous Bigfoot sighting that happened there and they have recordings of the Bigfoot call we [ __ ] with Bigfoot hard up in this Northern California girl are you kidding me like have you been to Humble oh I've never been but we've heard you got to go first of all it's gorgeous like Pacific Northwest Gorge and then Bigfoot [ __ ] everywhere that's my dream have you seen Bigfoot I have not seen Bigfoot only like the statues in the woods everywhere on the drive to Humble but it's if I was Bigfoot that's where I would live because it's [ __ ] gorgeous up there and so he's not wrong about that but there's like a Bigfoot Museum Bigfoot gift shops like these giant wooden things like you guys would love it incredible maybe the three of us should go Bigfoot hunting together let's do it also like the Redwoods like where a lot of this is is like literally where they film like Jurassic Park in like parts of Oh So Beautiful Lord of the Rings cuz

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it's so [ __ ] gorgeous so it's like if you're going to go searching for anything something mystical about it oh yeah the humble in general is haunted as [ __ ] that's why they call it the Emerald Triangle dude it's spooky as hell I'm trying to move there one day that's what they call it the Emerald Triangle yeah and they also call it murder Mountain because there's so many people that are are disappear and killed there and there's a Netflix documentary about it but when I live lived there it I mean even when I visit and my family we love to go there like we'll go for spring break cuz it's like gorgeous and you can like rent a house for pretty decent compared to other places in California and um we always say like The Vibes here are so weird the people here are so like it's a different vibe like people it's it's definitely an Eclectic place I feel it I went to college in Humble when I was 17 cuz it was the only place that would take me as a minor that would let me live in the dorms cuz I was like trying to get the [ __ ] out of Dodge and so there was this man who lived in the

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forest I kid you not behind my dorms at College of the Redwoods in Humble and he had this jug of mushroom tea straight mushrooms made into tea and he would just walk around campus [ __ ] chugging that thing and everybody who works there is just like oh that's you know so and so like I can't believe nobody's made like a TV show about your like a comedy show about humble and its people because it is a place truly unlike any other wow the Emerald Triangle and everyone is high all the time so everywhere you go you're like is that kid stoned what is Bigfoot stoned see that's probably why Bigfoot does so well up there is because he can like hide in plain sight and people are just like okay people are seeing him whether he's there or not what if Bigfoot was just like addicted to cannabis in the most extreme way and he was the one stealing all the weed and murder mountain and he was actually causing all of this okay wait

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there there was a documentary about this where there were weed farmers in that area that blamed a bunch of like murders and crops being destroyed on Bigfoot really to scare everyone who could potentially come onto their farm and try to steal their weed into thinking Bigfoot was patrolling that area and that they could die it was like literally a hoax to scare everyone in the weed industry away from their Farm I'm just imagining Bigfoot like a security guard going in a black car to the weed like security keep all the weed theves out forget like scarecrows yeah who needs a scarecrow when you have Bigfoot dude I have this LoveHate relationship with Bigfoot it's not really a hate relationship but it's like you love him there are so many Cryptids and creatures does he do bad stuff there are some examples yeah there we get some stories where it does sound really really scary there are some abductions that Bigfoot has been blamed for there's some really aggressive I think it's like we keep talking about Bigfoot when we

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talk about him inevitably like every other episode where it's kind of like people there are good people they are bad people and it seems like most of the Bigfoot encounters are just fine like Bigfoot doesn't really want much to do with people but other bigfoots are very aggressive towards people and there's been a lot of I don't know if you've looked at all into any of the like Missing 411 cases where there's a bunch of missing people that have these patterns associated with their disappearances and there are some that people have been curious like is this associated with Bigfoot CU it's like where there'll be a bunch of Bigfoot sightings kids will suddenly disappear and reappear 3 Days Later 20 miles away and 5,000 ft in elevation and be completely clean and like weird things like that where it's unexplainable okay the only thing though what makes me think it's not Bigfoot is Bigfoot himself or themsel we don't know they're but they are notoriously hairy smelly

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dirty so how could someone that they abduct come back very clean that's a good point well and also isn't that every guy that we all dated in college like couldn't this just be humans that with bad hygiene or C 100% I mean I'm not I'm just or aliens or aliens it's either your ex-boyfriend that has bad hygiene or it's aliens it cannot be what about the Lock Ness anything else what about old Nelly okay I just saw that theory though that the lock monster is actually a ghost of a dinosaur and I'm so here for it ghost of a dinosaur would be welcome in this in this year 2024 I'm praying for a ghost of a dinosaur news yeah that would be so cool like why haven't we seen that I also feel like we've lived through so much in the past few years that I could be told anything and I just wouldn't be surprised by it i' just be like oh yeah cool fact we had murder Hornets like two years ago like when murder Hornets dropped I was just like I'm disassociating from my exist as a human being now yeah and now there's like the Apple vision goggles and people

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are full on black mirroring God it's so

Commune dreams and celebrity

bizarre what is humanity I don't know I'm like trying to figure out can we get an island and how much does pluming actually cost cuz I'm trying to go like live separately just invite all the people I know that are cool and be like let's [ __ ] go okay that's a dream that's a commune and I really want to live on a commune is it New Hampshire kin that has all those islands Maine Maine Let's Go the whole of main there's like a thousand little tiny Islands you can buy a whole island yeah where do you you live in Boston Karen yeah I live right outside of Boston I grew up in Vermont and so I have my whole family is scattered between like Vermont New Hampshire and Maine I guess I'm the only person in Massachusetts now that's tight Boston is like one of our biggest listenership cities always has been oh [ __ ] yeah I think one of ours too Boston's like a big podcast City I've never been I can't wait to go oh man it's so beautiful wait come I'll take you to Salem Massachusetts oh yeah where do you live

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Sabrina I live in LA Santa Monica oh okay do you see Larry David often or just occasion never that would be cool [ __ ] wait do you see Larry David often Tiffany when you're in La every time I go to Santa Monica all I do is Google where does Larry David go out in Santa Monica and I [ __ ] go there where does he go he goes to the delies I go to and all the Jew places that I usually frequent as well my gosh I'm Jewish so I can say that that no I just that's my dream send me the Larry David list and I will I'll stalk him for you I mean a lot of the places that he's filmed the show like the delies and stuff that they show caners and stuff like I don't know if caners is in Santa Monica I think that's LA but yeah I don't think he yeah he those are the places he actually goes in real life so I'm just praying okay I'll look out for him yeah I know he's married and everything but I just want to be friends hey a celeb sighting is a celeb sighting I never see a celebrity I want to see who would you see that you would approach Oprah that's it yeah

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respectfully though only to lay flowers at her feet or something extremely respectful I bet she's had people do that I don't even think I would say anything to her cuz I wouldn't even want to like do anything like I just be like yeah I love you so much but I have like gone to things for work and there's celebrities there and I'm just like I'm so sorry I'm so sorry for existing sweat and then leave after 5 minutes like right I am not cool at all I cannot even pretend I did live in LA for a while which just has to and I met each other I saw Flav of flave in the airport and he had his clock necklace on was he with pumpkin or was he with New York he was only with his Entourage of men and he's like four feet tall right yes he's so tiny I could I'm 5 foot three and I could [ __ ] check that that guy like I would beat him up he's so little but he's got to be really strong because he also wears giant clocks around his neck so I think like there's a lot of mus mhm kind of hidden within his slim frame

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he's Scrappy do you think he's shrunk over the years though do you think that's like pulled him down oh like he's getting tech neck but it's from his heavy chain yeah clocks is tech neck the term for like being a hunchback after being at the computer all day yes it's Tech NE it is we all have it I hate I know let's all just put your shoulders back ever since my friend who works with like senior citizens in the health field was like oh yeah most white women get a hunchback I was like just I beg your pardon I didn't know this why didn't I get warned I would have been started stretching years ago oh no I know like that it just happens I guess like some people are more genetically de disposition whatever I don't know yoga Pilates these people with the machines I don't know let's look into that too have you heard of stretch lab there's like a place where you can go where people literally just stretch you which I think is so strange I have heard of it I looked it up because I was like that sounds interesting and it is like $300 a

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month for a membership that to literally have someone help you stretch like I'm sorry if you're paying that much to go have someone stretch you like can't you just stretch yourself I understand like the PT version of it if you like have surgery and you need to be stretched that way but like but that's not this that's not this this is like a I want someone's hands on me but not quite a massage and also if you go past them it's like very open like you can see all the tables where people are being stretched that's my worst nightmare it's not like private stretching which I actually prefer that it's not private stretching cuz that would give me the ick yeah that could be that could be worse okay well speaking of the ick we

Red flag or green flag game

have a game that we prepared for you Tiffany oh I love games and we were trying to think basically you spend your days analyzing a lot of red flags in humans in in relationships and so we're like how do we put a paranormal spin on this so we're going to play red flag or green flag and I'm pretty sure K we only

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made red flags I don't think we well I don't know there's I think there's some beige Flags in here there's some like maybe for the right person be a green flag we'll see you know don't yuck another person's yum that's that's what the rule that I've learned yeah okay so basically we just like have scenarios you can say red or green flag or beige whatever and then okay you can also kind of if you would like to play around in like try to decipher what type of entity paranormal creature we're talking about we can also do that oh hilarious okay they take you on a vacation but they don't tell you any of the plans and they wipe your memory Upon returning red flag why doesn't that sound delightful who does that though aliens aliens do that yeah it's like an alien abduction oh like on on Men In Black yeah kind of like in Men In Black where they erase the memory it's like the Uno reverse to the alien alens I have like a obsession with aliens and I've like wanted to get

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abducted really really badly so my other red flag for this I put you beg and beg for them to give you attention but they never show up uh red flag for sure avoid an attachment but see that's me having anxious attachment you know I have avoid an attachment so I can spot it anywhere no I mean I've healed um long pause we're all therapized here yeah I mean anybody who's breadcrumbing you even a ghost is not worth your time yeah but I still keep coming back for more and they've given me nothing well you know something that I learned recently is like our trauma triggers our attraction a lot of times and that's a [ __ ] [ __ ] to learn it's so messed up oh so because you hate me I love you more that tracks you have a low opinion of me I have a low opinion of me the fact that you can have that awareness but also not

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be able to change it or see it coming still is like also baffling yeah isn't that one of the things where like EMDR doesn't that help with kind of like reversing that sort of response I think it's for like those big T traumas right so like a sexual assault or like being a part of a shooting or something where it's like yeah that memory is so overwhelming to you I've never done e EMDR but how I've had it explained to me is like you basically hold on to these like done things you've done it okay and then they kind of like w i mean you correct me keep me honest here but like they walk you through the memory yeah I I ended up doing it let's see I did well I was in trauma treatment for like two and a half months but I did EMDR like probably a total of like 12 hours and yeah like every session I went through it you would go through it I went through it once every time and I will say that was like extremely powerful like I've never I've been like doing therapy for years and years that is the only thing that's ever altered my

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like memory of that one specific traumatic experience I wish that it could like rewire like the way you think about things but it's more of like memory like reducing the trigger feeling right yeah I've told this to Karen and I may have talked about on the podcast but I invited all the women in my life into this memory of mine and my grandmother as I was doing the em Dr working through it and inviting all these women my grandmother who has since passed away like stepped forward and like held me and so now when I think of the traumatic memory I think of that moment which I created in my brain I think of my grandmother holding me isn't that crazy it's beautiful it is and beautiful yeah but also the power of the brain is amazing dude the brain is tripping it's insane yeah okay back to uh back to the game okay red flog green flag or beige flag okay someone who exclusively uses

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sizes of children as their unit of measurement or comparison so they' be like oh it's like as big as a four-month-old or it's like a the seven-year-old child size I don't I feel like beige maybe because it depends on who it's coming from right cuz like I mean I'll be I'm like that person with no sense of measurement that'll just be like I don't know it's like a canoe s length I don't know what I just bought the couch I didn't give a [ __ ] I didn't measure a wall like so I could see it but they only use children as the size comparison yeah only children is is giving handeling grle for sure which that whole story is insane by the way oh yeah it is the fact that we were just like this is a fairy tale that children should learn and know I know well same with like nursery rhymes and like some of those like riddles and things that we would sing as kids like those are [ __ ] creepy well you were spot on with the hunel and grle because that was what we thought would be maybe probably more a red flag for the creepy witch in the woods I have

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such an admiration for the creepy witch in the woods as I've gotten older she knows what she wants right exactly just a couple of kids in her oven if it were like an old man doing that that would give me like the creeps right I just feel like what I remember about her is not trying to stuff the children is really that she had a house made of candy and that I understood on a spiritual level the C house like how bad she could she be yeah there's a lot of dessert here that's how you lure me is a is a house made of deserts true and you know she has like no teeth because like they've all fallen out because of cavities yeah none yeah she's just a little gummy old lady what could she do right how can she even eat a child yeah that's a great question and now I'm trying to picture it and I don't like it well my brain I have an answer but I don't want to say it so yeah I'm not saying a lot of things out out loud um like Jay-Z I tell the truth when I get nervous so my husband this morning was

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like why are you so nervous and I was like cuz I say truthful things when I'm nervous and then I'll just say way to honest things his way of comforting me was people aren't even canceling people anymore they're over that since when I feel like that's everyone's favorite past time I was like um what we live in two different worlds man oh my gosh he does not spend enough time on the internet and also just like the response is telling that like he wasn't like no you won't say something inappropriate but it's fine you probably won't get cancelled if you do the nice thing with podcasting is that it's not live for the most part so we can edit things out yeah magic wait okay Tiffany you have children are they creepy have they ever seen any Ghosts no

Pregnancy and ghost stories

they're not creepy what a blessing how dare you a blessing or a curse it's a blessing for you I think but if and when I have kids and they don't create creat me out I will be like really sad so they're not sleepwalking and like

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speaking weird gibberish over you yeah no they've never even so much as like done something accidentally creepy but W I do have a friend who like went viral for it was like a meme about thinking that your kid was a goblin and almost like roundhouse kicking them in the middle of the face like in the dark in your house or something like that so she my friend Jill so I remember her feeling creeped out by her kids just like that scaring you Karan have you talked you've talked about being with child on the podcast right because I saw it on social yeah so to me the weirdest thing about being pregnant besides all the vomiting and lack of health care or plan was the baby kicks like when like people would are like oh it's so precious and it was after a while but like the first few times I felt like an alien I was like there's an alien in there that's what you always related it to Karen the seene an alien yeah yes well okay because well I I have an anterior placenta so I have

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a little pillow for them to punch so yeah it's a little bit easier and a little less freaky right now cushion but my dad was like cuz I haven't been overly freaked out I'm like it's kind of weird that they're moving but it still kind of just almost feels like I'm being flicked from the inside but my dad freaked me out the other day cuz he was like wait until you see their hand and their fingers like swipe across your belly did that happen to you does that happen I guess it did to my mom like I wanted to have children and I know pregnancy is a blessing and complaining about it is controversial in any capacity but I [ __ ] hated it I [ __ ] hated you're yeah you're allowed I love my kids 10 out of 10 yeah but I [ __ ] hated being pregnant oh the joys okay well I have another red flag based on the the hand swipe okay and I'm making this up on the spot they only show up when you're sleeping and they stroke your hair at night well that sounds like a few

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situationships I've been in before no um no uh red flag okay anybody showing up in the middle of the night for me without an announcement ahead of time it's a red flag don't [ __ ] pop by I don't care what time of day it is I will say I feel like that's a lot of paranormal beings Supernatural entities they they come at night yeah if a ghost could send an email and let me know what time and we could schedule something I'd be really open to that it's the on the Fly that bothers me I do remember I have to tell you guys this story because you're the only people who will appreciate it it's not long but like I had this best friend in I want to say it was third grade Shannon and she live we lived in Auburn at the time which is like up in the Foothills and it's like a lot of Victorian houses and like yeah there's a lot of rumors of hauntings and stuff and she told me before I came over for a sleepover that her house was definitely

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haunted and there's a green blob that floats on the ceiling sometimes and I was like E green okay yeah I don't know why it was green and our favorite color at the time was lime green like and we had like lime green blowup chairs and like matching lime green nails at all times oh my gosh I loved those chairs so one time we were laying in bed and I don't know if it's honestly if she like implanted the memory because every time I would go over there she'd be like you're going to see it you're going to see it it's going to come one of these times and during this summer I spent like every day at her house kind of situation and one night I did feel like I saw it like Ghost Rider really you know like Ghost Rider the TV show did you guys ever watch that I never watched it but I know it there was like just a way I don't know if she like I said I felt like I saw this green like Cloud thing and she's like there it is and we were like losing our minds and she was also really religious and started like crying like she was like convinced there was a demon in her house and I was just

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like what the fact that you saw it together too that makes me think that it really was there that you guys were both looking up at it and also if it was something a little bit more demonic or even if it was just a Gentle Spirit perhaps it was trying to show itself but in a way that would be less scary so it was like let me appear as their favorite color it just kind of backfired or makes your memory a little fuzzy on it now where you're like did I I don't know I just remember it happening for like 2 seconds like very quickly seeing it almost like a flash yeah like swirl and then just CU of her emotional response like I of course was like are you okay like just go to V instantly just like the Demon's kidding you but my God shout out to Shannon I smoked my first cigarette with her when I was 12 it was a wild summer the summer was Shannon you had a lot of haunted friends I did I hung out with a lot of kids that were not being watched I guess ghosts go for those kids and also probably the area

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that you lived in they're like no one's watching them they seem like they need help they seem like they could use a bon as parent the ghost was just like watching us and was just like relax go to sleep I'll finally show myself enough already the entire graveyard that's just like oh my God we I guess we got to leave and go watch these watch these kids no one else is I thought my

Technology, trauma, and closing

parenting died with me okay I have a red flag green flag or beige flag okay this person super slowly they often misspell words and they leave you on red beige flag for beige flag because there could be some ableism at play here some people type slow some people I also misspell quite a lot I also do and my phone is like constantly putting things out into the univer I'm like no one typed dildo no one why did you send dildo in my work text like I feel like my phone is haunted sometimes I also agree with the beige flag because I have 194 unread

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texts so I feel like get I just got so much anxiety for you yeah who's texting you that much it's a group chat isn't it with two or more women it's so many group chats and honestly you know when this started it started when we started this podcast and I used to be like a no red bubbles on my phone but then because I added the podcast email to my phone inevitably we always had unread messages and so then I Let Go you just lean in now that's insane I go through really anxious like social anxiety moments too where I will not respond to any text message even if it's just like a one-on-one text where it would take me one second to respond yeah and so I won't respond sometimes for like two weeks which I feel like everyone knows that about me so no one's been upset with it yeah in my mind I respond my intentions are good it's just like squirrel you know or like social media pops up or some [ __ ] and then you're yeah something else and then two weeks later they're like hey not to be

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annoying but and you're just like I'm a [ __ ] dick so sorry sorry I swear I respond copy and paste from my notes app my general apology for these situations since it [ __ ] happens so often let's do that yeah H well we wrote that one specifically thinking about Ouija board ghosts because I was gonna say is this a OU board it is is there a chat gbt Ouija board yet like where we could just ask it questions then it responds like eightball situation I almost feel like talking to the robots of AI and the potential of their own Consciousness just like pivoting and breaking off and becoming its own thing is scarier than ghosts did you see that robot attacked somebody what wait what there was a [ __ ] robot that went ham like Megan the [ __ ] robot was like I'm sick of this [ __ ] basically that's what I was told this was information given to me by my 14-year-old son so I'm going to write a note to make sure that that's true oh my gosh wait let me Google it I was not

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wrong December 27th 2023 a Tesla Factory robot reportedly attacks a worker and left them bleeding what the [ __ ] okay but is that one of those stories that like kind of became sensationalized and it was like I don't [ __ ] know like did the robot actually attack the person or did it like malfunction and like hit the person right it probably is that but of course they're like we have to make this edgy right yeah cuz everybody says attack yeah I don't know there's so many robots out there though that even the people that work on them they're starting to like certain people have been freaked out by what's happening in the development and like the it freaks me out when robots if you put a couple robots or like AI intelligence together that they'll start to shorthand and basically create their own language to speak to each other eventually it started with fures and now look at where we are it's blocked I never had a Furby that's a good thing yeah oh yeah those are stepan nightmares I definitely had

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trolls though the trolls with the would you like to own a Furby we could we could get you a Furby I don't know I never thought about it I just remember him being big you know I guess I wasn't a Furby girl like when I was a kid I remember my brothers teasing me because I would like turn my toothbrushes into like Barbies and like I don't know I was a [ __ ] weirdo you inventive some call it quirky all right red flag green flag beige flag within the first two minutes of meeting this person they ask if you see dead people I'm going to go red flag well you know what thanks a lot cuz we wrote that about ourselves we're talking about us I don't see dead people I don't think but I did love the [ __ ] out of that movie let me tell you when he said he was dead I was like this is the best movie I've ever seen the village too oh the village was so good so good so [ __ ] good Karen and I on a daily BAS ask people if they see dead people and have made a career out of it and not

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tracks and honestly it's one of those things where when talking about social anxiety and you don't know what to say and the other person also has social anxiety my go-to our go-to is so uh do you see dead people gets the conversation going what are your ghost stories it gets the combo going like nothing else you know does and I've definitely been the person like at weddings where the whole conversation like I have a group of people now telling me ghost stories at like the most inappropriate time which is literally when people are getting married I'm usually like do you do you smoke [Laughter] weeda that's how I make small talk so you like your parents tell me about your traumas couple exes you want to talk about what do you want to get into do you feel like in your life you were always the person people like dumped their stuff onto yeah 100% yeah so I made a career out of it right why not just kidding no but I remember like saying that when I went to group therapy like I feel like my whole life I've had a sign on myo forehead that just said

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dump [ __ ] here yeah but it's different when like obviously on the podcast I love doing it in that way and it's something I'm so so passionate about but yeah I've been like growing up with a narcissistic mom you definitely become your mom's therapist really early on so that was like my job in life you know and then I feel like especially in relationships with young women going from my relationship with my narcissistic Mom I would like get kind of stuck in those relationship patterns you repeat your trauma yeah right now I feel like there's give and take in my relationships you've evolved congratulations I've healed and I don't take people scraps anymore it's amazing but yeah now I'm like please tell me everything you know in detail like what did you eat for lunch you'll never bore me like I also it's hard when you genuinely do care about people and you like want to be there for them but you're like I can't do it anymore yeah you're making me choose you

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over me so many times because it can drain you so much boundaries there's got to be something so healing too about doing your podcast and speaking to all of these victims and just kind of having the ability to look inward but then also like provide your experience and your expertise to some of these victims too I wouldn't say expertise but perspective perspective perspective I am not a therapist or a doctor they remind me every day on the internet streams In fairness you say it constantly on the podcast yes you do well we're so grateful for you and so grateful that you've shared your own story and that you've given us space to people to share theirs and also feel like they're not alone if they've been through anything similar to those stories of of survivors that are on your show where can people find you and is there anything that you want to like plug you can find me the only social media I have at lookie boo l o k i e b o o it's been that name forever I would

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have changed it and uh something was wrong.com is our website where people can access resources or share their story with us and season 20 is coming up here and it is so exciting the most diabolical insane unlike anything other that I've ever heard of story in my life oh my God I can't even imagine and it's a female predator and she we have traced a pattern of behavior almost 18 years long now wow we're going to be hearing from her victims at the age of 14 to six months ago oh my gosh go I just got chill insane it is insane wow yeah okay okay psychopath we're going to devour that as soon as it comes out we do with most of the seasons everything about this [ __ ] is oned you know what I mean yeah sounds like we need to send our our podcast spirits to intervene and be like oh you want to send an email dickline

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yeah if they could get the FBI involved like that's what I need now how do I channel the spirits into helping I'm like hiring interns spirits come on I know I need some Karma spirits that I can like send to these dags right seriously that would be epic let me know if you guys find anything on that like if there's like a Fiverr for ghosts where I could like hire them to just go haunt certain people that would be fantastic there's for sure some es out there we do have a Coven like of witches that listen to our podcast so maybe like we can like have them do a little like oh yeah witchy stuff have you guys done like tarot card readings and stuff mhm we've had them done and Sabrina's been getting into actually reading them yeah I can do a really bad reading right I refer to the uh the little like info card I'm like Google says um according to the app it could mean your garbage or the best yes yeah looking at you five of Swords this guy could be your soulmate or the

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worst thing that's ever happened to you we're not sure yet only time will tell well thank you so much for joining us Tiffany this was so much fun and so much fun it's been great to like finally talk to you and I hopefully you're able to like Escape The Terror of humans for a minute and talk no this was fun this is the fun part of my week for sure so thank you so much yeah thank you for here we will see you on the other side very spooky