The Mystery of Montana’s Vortex | Defying Physics & Other Dimensions (Ep 219)

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foreign and we're together yeah we are that's Karen hi I'm Sabrina and we're in this beautiful Airbnb in Connecticut we're obsessed it's called Farm the farmette if you have a chance to stay here if you want a retreat in the wilderness maybe hold some chickens potentially some other animals because Sandra and her wife are

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saving animals they're basically turning the farmette into a sanctuary so it started with a collection of chickens that were rescued from like this awful ritual where they Slaughter what 80 000 chickens and end up throwing a lot of their carcasses in the trash because they don't use them all oh so anyway there's one rooster and a bunch of hens and we snuggled them and cuddled them and I picked them up we're gonna I'm gonna pick one up before we leave you're going to I have to okay I was wearing a I was wearing a one of my favorite sweatshirts when and they were wet so I think this is just literally the sweetest Airbnb house yeah the property is amazing there's a little there's a trail that you can go on there's a hot tub bird feeders deer

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Greenhouse Barn fresh air it's just good times good times I was like how do I stay here for two weeks the wall looks like this yeah and there's eucalyptus hanging and it's like kind of dark and there's like Stone cut in and it really does feel like you're underground basically like in this beautiful beautiful cave shower anyway the format was amazing we came here to do podcast stuff and have a little retreat in between our Portland show and our New Brunswick show so we hid away in the woods it's kind of our Mary Shelley Retreat yeah yeah it's right on the border of Connecticut in Massachusetts too so if anyone is in New York or if they're in Boston or anywhere in between yeah not too hard to get to no get a card drive to the farm at make a reservation first yes make a

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reservation um and also be aware we looked at some we drove through or like drove to a small town it's like I don't know 15 minutes 20 minutes away from here because we were like oh let's look at the antique shops and all these little things a lot of things are closed Mondays we don't know why but I think that might have technically been what's that in Connecticut maybe what is it that was Connecticut yeah yeah anyway so but there's plenty to do right here we hot tubs we've made mocktails we didn't need to leave when I saw deer I screamed steering terrified me yeah it was scary it was like dusk and we were working in silence for a while and then I screamed ah and then you said dear according to the large open windows it's only Forest I mean this would be a great place if

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Bigfoot where we're running around here if there's a thing if there was a Cryptid I wouldn't make a peep I would be dead silent because I know like don't scare them of course you could get your attention I'd creep to the window or would I even go to the window I think you would hit me like lightly not not yeah then you grab your cell phone and you just like zoom in and start recording from right ear and like don't move don't breathe don't breathe the thing will not work they will know we're breathing I know how the format is great

Travel antics and snacks

also we did a AI ghost story oh my God patreon live it was so fun it was so fun but at the very end we hadn't closed these curtains and we got so scared from just I guess we made ourselves scared we always do we gave the prompts we read the stories other people in the crowdcast gave the prompts and it just

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turned into this thing where we were like oh my God we can't walk ourselves to the windows to close the shades with us everyone on that crowdcast had to or on that page everyone on that patreon live had to babysit us and watch us go from window to window to make sure and of course we were scared her and took the job that was holding the computer to show everyone and I closed the curtains okay yes but I've also closed the curtains every other night that we've been here so that's I put in that's the work and then got to the benefit of the one scary night not having to do it but it's so fun because you and I don't get to spend I truly don't think we've spent this much time together since College yeah and then even in college we were saying it's not like we were roommates like we didn't know we weren't like fully living together but but like only because

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but yeah it's been so nice obviously Korean and I spent a lot of time together like just in terms of work we work together we're co-workers we're co-workers and best friends we talk every day we talk every day but we haven't physically like I haven't been able to touch you here we like went grocery shopping we're like we're gonna make this delicious salads and then there's like and we've just got stuff let's just say the chickens are gonna be eating this out chickens we're donating it sanctuary because we are very gracious and you were popcorn and Cheez-Its and I was peanut M M's I just saw Twizzlers yeah yeah at least you had variety I had some Fiber from the popcorn even fiber I had protein I had peanuts that's true chocolate we also we've been

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yeah yeah totally can't travel without them can't live without him what was you said something about water the other day though

The gullibility factor

we had a potential sponsor that was water and we have to like say water reached out to us water yep Springs from around the earth have reached out to us to help nourish us um and we have to write like why or if we want to endorse it why we would want to and so I wrote we'd really love to endorse this water it's almost like I could live off of it I thought it was a whole lot Oh I thought so too that's fine Reddit water sponsors us two girls one ghost sponsored by water I'm sorry I put way too much of my mouth in this

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hole and it just like made me really so much of my mouth in this hole and now it would not be the name of this episode um oh a furry wiener I wanna furry you're talking about a Dachshund and they're like dog sense furry wieners and it was just because it was in the chat so it wasn't like someone said it and then responded no and I don't think it was supposed to be a trick no either you tricked yourself I think so we don't need other people to trick us to ourselves I didn't think I was a gullible person but lately I'm questioning that oh really why I've just let's see I've had people in my life who will tell me stories as kind of like playful jest but the way that they say it is very

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serious they say it with conviction and I believe it every time even if they're like a little bit outlandish well I think it's because that person has earned your trust and they don't deserve it clearly well I think it's just because of this podcast I've just bought into every conspiracy and we've heard such weird stuff that I fully believe that when right people around me tell me weird stuff I'm like oh hell yeah we're not understanding that it's a joke we're like oh my gosh that reminds me yeah someone else's experience that they they had something similar happen and the person's like I was messing with you

The breathing mystery

um speaking of things messing around last night both of us were terrified because we both thought the other person had fallen asleep because this was so scary breathing noise and I Sabrina just come out of the bathroom and got into her bed I've been sleeping on the futon and then because I came out and I really you had already been in bed for a little while so I thought Karen was asleep and I didn't see like phone light or

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anything it was really dark in here yeah and then I sent Sabrina a tick tock well she so she got my perspective I was in bed Karin was fully asleep all of a sudden I get a text from current and I truly my heart sunk and I open it and I'm like Oh my this is gonna be one of those things where it's like die like something like really freaky like someone a spirit was texting on your phone and it was a tick tock and then I was when I responded this is really freaky because you said this to me while you were sleeping yes and then from my perspective Sabrina comes out of the bathroom gets into bed and within two minutes falls asleep which I'm like that's so unlike her yeah because the breathing's like oh my gosh you're even freaking me out now and then I hear Korean and I look up and the breathing's still going she goes have you been awake this whole time I said yes and she goes oh I thought

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that breathing was you like I said I thought that was you and then I was like did you just text me and she wouldn't respond ing but I didn't realize that so I still was like confused that and didn't know that you had been awake that whole time and then we listened for the breathing and we realized it's the water heater or something something here it's the fridge I think it's the fridge I think there's like a water line in the fridge that just was like like but it really did sound like breathing it did and it's also because and we've been here for like a whole week and never noticed it or heard it but I think it's because it was like dead silence we didn't have the TV on like no it was just did watch a hilarious oh my gosh I'm so

Jury duty commentary

grateful that you introduced this to me because I never one of her my Tick Tock addiction because jury did spend my entire fyb on Tick Tock it is hilarious

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if you haven't seen it watch it we've only seen one episode yeah we watch it through Amazon Prime yeah um there are a couple commercials but not bad um it was like I don't even know it's the promos for other shows but um it was so funny the concept is it's created by like the same producers of the office um so it's shot very similar yeah James Morrison is in it but basically everyone is the actor except for one person so it's like a docu-series slash reality TV show so this person this one person that doesn't know was basically told to my understanding of the way they set up the show basically summoned for jury duty went so that he wouldn't be in contempt of court and was then selected as a juror and told that you know jury duties often times this this like thing that no one really understands what it's like to be on a jury and

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normally it's very very private but they're making a documentary or like a docu-series to see like in the lives of being a juror and so this is a really special like one-time thing so that explains why there's cameras all around yeah because he he believes that it's they were given permission yes yes that everybody on the jury is just like him speaking of gullible well the actors are so that what they did was I think it's a genius that they didn't make an actual script they just made like here's generally they like very important adapter character bios yes and stories and then like here's what should happen today here's what your character should go through right and so in the trial like the the case itself is pretty big doubt of like what yeah the the trial is about but it is so funny oh and they the guy is so sweet like so

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sweet they literally created a character one of the actors was created I think with the intention of annoying this man who has no idea that everyone around him is an actor and instead he's just so lovely he's so kind he's so understanding he kind of gets a little bit almost like paternal around everyone like he's he's some other goose and he's making sure everyone like still feels good about themselves yeah and seen and they feel comfortable in this like really awkward position that is being a juror in this weird room where things constantly happen and they're not making fun of him which I really really appreciate because it's not like punked or a joke show where they're you know tricking someone and I think James Morrison had a big role in that in making sure that it was never at the expense of yeah this is never the joke it's everyone else being super outlandish and ridiculous and and the scenarios being ridiculous rather than making fun of him because he's so pure

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if he's not married this man is gonna get so many DMS I'm pretty sure he's single because well actually I have no idea I think I'm just reading the comments on the internet where everyone's like making the bachelor put him on 100 yeah but let's not corrupt the man no but let's Let Him Live his pure beautiful life right but he's gonna find a pure beautiful wife or husband or person or person we don't know we don't know but we do know is that I have a ghost

Crystal signs

it's good at sunlight and this is our last day staying here so that we I mean I love it here we can drop the ghost story and run yeah we did want to stay another day yes I'm living in Sandra you and the chickens we did have to save a chicken we did we actually saved two birds we did

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oh and then we were when we were in Portsmouth we went to dedwicks and bought crystals and one of my crystals broke my black obsidian broke and then we were we were joking we're like it's a sign because we saved two birds and we both at the same time we're like one stone two birds it's kind of like the new Harry Potter the Sorcerer's Stone black obsidian but black obsidian is also made of glass so if you drop it we'll break soon and apparently it's one of those crystals that likes to break itself and it likes to grow and make it so and become bigger by breaking itself into it likes to multiply yeah all right all right there is one of the

Montana Vortex investigation

strangest places that you will ever visit oh and it is a place of mystery defying laws of physics and dazzling all visitors in the United States I want to be dazzled bedazzled I want to go

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Bejeweled Bejeweled all the time did you yeah it was a bedazzler Sabrina the bedazzler my mom and I um well because my sisters the activity no my sister figure skated a lot or was like a really big figure skater um and so for my sister for her like costumes my mom would like the jewels them for her that's so sweet so that she sparkled on the ice what a great thing to do that's the sweet C would help yeah yeah I think I Bejeweled some pants get one of those machines like they're like do you have like a big machine or was it like oh it's a big machine oh wow wow you're like a workshop child labor your first job unpaid bedazzler and this is what Factory if your basement oh let's be be dazzled by ghost stories and mystery instead of the sadness of the

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world so there's a lot of it so this is a place where people will shrink the place where people will grow many many inches it's a place that attracts visitors from all galaxies and planes is this like Alice in Wonderland basically and Honey We Shrunk the Kids it's totally that this is Montana's Vortex okay and House of mystery Montana yes oh I'll tell you all about it was actually one of the structures on the property there's many so this was recommended by our listener Alyssa and also Ruby Sue on patreon this is for you too because you said you should do something in Montana so now we get a little double whammy you're welcome you're this is for you this is for you on the outskirts of Columbia Falls you'll find an attraction just steps away from Roots too it's the perfect Pit Stop on your haunted road trip or your

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visit to Glacier National Park because it's only 13 miles away so for all the people going to the National Park I feel like this is a this is a detour you should take absolutely so when you get there okay you will drive up and you'll Park you'll pay your entry don't skip that and then you'll come upon a wooden Shack and on the side is nailed to the front a warning that visitors may experience dizziness and disorientation upon entering the house they need to enter at your own risk that is so cool yes I love that because they're fully embracing it fully fully yes attraction now okay as well so as you approach the entrance the ground beneath you will begin to pull you you'll feel this awareness it's almost like it sounds like it's an energy thing oh like your feet remain on

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the ground but you feel almost like your actual body or like your shoulders like everything is being like blue the gravity is heavier here oh and then there is a flat concrete like level path right in front of that house of mystery this Shack and when you stand on this platform you'll suddenly feel like you're crooked everyone else is crooked that people are taller people are shorter but you're both just standing there like a fun house it totally is like a fun house 1000 that's what I was thinking when I was reading about this okay I want to like close my eyes and just pictures and then the house is completely crooked behind you too so it's all like the whole thing is disorienting because you're like everything around you is crooked and slanted and you're being pulled in different directions in a way that even if you're walking up the hill you know like you're obviously walking in a slant your ankles and your your feet are bent at a certain degree to get you up the hill but your your body

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remains straight if you look at a picture of it does it look crooked or from a picture perspective it looks like a normal house no it looks crooked it's so it like the whole thing I think is just dizzying I do have some pictures oh wait I think the whole thing is just a dizzying experience for people because but also fun yes yeah totally fine so what you're experiencing is a gravitational anomaly that defies the rules of gravity and likely has been here for a very long time the blackfeet tribe has recognized this Vortex for centuries and centuries and they considered it to be sacred so this whole ground is considered to be sacred yeah and they would leave offerings of Sweetgrass and tobacco and they would go to this land and go to this area uh basically for healing and spiritual purposes right I mean if you wanted to make contact with like I feel like similar to

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um Sedona which is known for a lot of vortexes it's a very spiritual place because you can connect to whatever Spiritual Beings that you believe in in a way that you can't I mean you can in other places but I feel like it intensifies or makes it more accessible right and it is interesting how many places there are not that they're like plentiful by any means but there are places that we've discovered that do have this sort of strange energy Vortex anomaly type thing going on and I do love that this one sounds like very nice Blissful yes yes or something terrifying happening it's just a fun place to go okay so then in 1905 a man named Joseph Lyman built a cabin on the property and he noticed that something strange was going on so he was like okay my compass is not working anywhere I feel really disoriented when I'm walking through certain areas of my land and so over the years the property has

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changed hands several times and everyone has experienced the same thing I want to buy it I know right should we just start like collecting all of the haunted haunted and homes strange places oh my gosh is that gonna be us we're yeah oh different business abuse we'll find one in the middle or we could do both both but we have all the time though I'm into this in the 1950s a man named Bill Taylor purchased the property and then he basically purchased it to study this phenomena that was going on here and still no one seems to have answers as to what's going on so scientists it's it's attracted a lot of scientists A lot of people that are like it's a house like you know just different things that are happening that there are theories but we don't actually know specifically what's happening and then in 1970 the house of mystery was basically built to allow people to

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experience this phenomenon better so there wasn't this structure prior okay but the land still had the like weird energy and why not and so on one of these like the heart of this anomaly they built the shack as a tourist attraction and since then more vortexes have been discovered on the property that's so fascinating because I would have thought that it's just generally one big Vortex but so that means that they're between each Vortex there's spaces of normalcy I guess so and I don't think this property is super huge either I think you know you'll enter this like bubble of disorientation and then you'll leave it and then you'll walk another 50 feet and then suddenly you're back in this strange it kind of makes me think that each Vortex leads to somewhere different I think you're on to something that's my theory too they're like doors yes yes there are three vortexes here and entering into any of them leave

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people disoriented motion sick and a lot of people experience different things in different vortexes okay so one of these vortexes is accessible just beyond a golden door which stands alone in the middle of the woods so sorry Allison oh my God right you just walk on this path and then there's a big golden door and you open it and you walk through it and when you enter the door you enter one of the vortexes and you feel how it affects you how your mind and your body feel you interact with the space around you and here is a photo it's very cool I want to live in that door right it reminds me of Beetlejuice oh interesting you know when they walk out the door and then they're kind of just floating and then they have food go back in yes so the house of mystery which I mentioned before that's the building the shock that was built is a wooden house where inside the Heights and the tilt of the house creates an illusion of walking

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sideways so you'll grow really tall as tall as the ceiling you'll look or you'll shrink so much that you're a miniature human and it's really fun for people especially families to go to where you know the kids are suddenly taller than the parents and parents are like these tiny little doll sized things only like two feet away from their children but it's also much more than this people feel like the gravity is a lot stronger in here like there's a heavy weight pulling them down like 20 pounds of weight basically pulling them interesting which is not normal no because even if you're like like let's say you're sitting in a chair you have a camp chair out and you're sitting on a hill and you're tilted back a little bit you're gonna feel kind of like you might fall backwards yeah but you don't feel like there's a 20 pound like resistance like pulling you backwards yeah that's interesting and that's what happens here there is a chair I think inside because people do say when they sit on it it does not feel normal at all huh I'm just

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thinking I mean this is not necessarily tied to this at all but I was talking to Joe so when you first start with Joe this is at Next Level healing um my postural therapy holistic postural therapy he does like a analysis of your body and does photos and you know you're supposed to have your center of gravity gravity going straight up and down but a lot of people with their postures their heads lean forward or back or their shoulders or something all of those things my head leans forward and so because of that my head is actually so much heavier than it would be if I was just straight up and he did an example of like let's say you're holding a stick with a big weight on the top if you're holding it up and down it's much easier but the second it starts to like tilt forward it's so much harder because gravity's starting to pull it down yeah I don't think that they're related but it just made me think of it yeah no but it is interesting just like different angles and like putting people into different

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positions might make them feel their body in a different way yeah and maybe that is what's contributing to it here too maybe just outside of the house of mystery is a platform where you can step onto the cement block that I mentioned before and guides like so you can basically do a self-guided tour or you can do a tour with a guide if you do a tour with a guide they usually have a marble that they will place on the slab to prove to you that it is completely Flats there's no tilt to it at all and yet for some reason when people go on either side of the platform so like let's say you step on the left side of the platform like facing the the house and someone else is on the right side of the platform you will appear six inches taller than you are and then if you switch positions that person who switched is now six inches taller but the slab is not big like this is like the size of a like a when you

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walk up to someone's front door like the slab of cement or whatever that's right in front like the couple steps up to someone's house like it is not huge it's the size of a bath mat basically in One Direction you're suddenly completely distorted it's so interesting because it's not only just a Vortex of energy it's completely defying I mean I know you said this but every rule of physics that we understand right and like how is that how does that even how is that a trick of the eye it's not like it's two feet away and there's nothing about just standing on a slab in the woods that like how does that trick your eye there's not other patterns behind you or anything like that to yeah and scientists have not been able to figure it out I guess not there's it's supposedly but see if scientists don't

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know that's how we know that's how we know something's happening is happening there's a place on the property called the hexagon that was discovered in 2005 and it's not far from the main house okay walking down the path in the woods you'll come across a group of fir trees that have basically like swirled together and created what is said to be a hexagon of small energy nodes oh kind of like um Stonehenge oh oh oh yeah I didn't make that connection because isn't that so it seems like somewhat vortexy I think that's one of the things that people are when they talk about Ley lines that's one of the ones like smack dab in the center yeah oh that's freaking me out now so the trees are all twisted and they've sort of grown into this half circle shape and the theory is that or one of the theories is that the trees were attempting to contain the chaos of this energy by creating like wrapping

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themselves around it to contain it to trap the energy which maybe isn't containing it but like intensifying it swirling up yeah hmm I don't know okay but it's interesting it makes now it's making me think of all the other because because circles and spirals are such like natural shapes you know right they do appear in history in history in nature in these like very complex yeah shapes and so it's interesting like Stonehenge and just places like that where humans are mimicking maybe what they see nature do when encountering a certain that's interesting we're like oh we just gotta slap a circle around it I mean like so many circles to you know just keeping something within right and like every culture there's different different understandings of what they mean but in the end we're all just

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creating circles all over the place little circle people Circle people okay so when you walk into the hexagon so this place of of the trees and and the energy nodes you'll know because well one there's Stones marked where they think each node is but then also when you walk around so if you go from Stone to Stone you'll shrink you'll grow it'll feel like a fun house so again the Distortion of people's sizes and where they are in that like plane which almost makes me think like are you closer to like flipping into another place that's interesting Michael do you know if what nature is like like are there birds are there animals in this area there was no information okay there's there's nature there's animals but I have no idea if there's like a lack of bird noises during a certain hour that's what I was wondering have people gone missing here not that I know okay um okay that's good

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because I'm just imagining people blipping into other timelines or galaxies or universes and then never coming back but but also let's think about missing 4-1-1 and how so many wooded areas and like national parks especially have people that go missing and given that this is only 13 miles away I do wonder how many people might go missing from the Glacier National Park that could maybe be attributed to this area too or another Vortex that we just don't even know of that exists somewhere a little bit closer because if there's three here on this one piece of property that someone owns there's got to be so many all over the world yeah how many more are they even in this area I'm sure there's you know like maybe the concentration of the threes right here but on the outskirts I'm sure there's a few more that are just kind of hanging around also how many are in the ocean I know like Bermuda Triangle is kind of that idea right but the ocean is so massive mm-hmm and maybe there are some that don't hit the surface but are underneath it is so

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scary to think about that I love the ocean we were talking about this the other day where I'm the type of person who wants to explore the ocean and because you want a space there was something about I don't even know how we got on this topic but it was like a submarine deep in the ocean or whatever and you were like I would love to do and I was like why do you keep wanting to put yourself in space in the bottom of the ocean like in all the places that if one thing goes wrong you die and you know what it is I think I've never belonged on Earth I'm not a land creature you're not a land creature no that's clear and I'm a full-on survivalist so you go I stay you live off the land I live yeah in space I'm an ethereal creature it scares me so much like space I almost am less scared of than being in the ocean because we know more about space and it's based on also like I guess a

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little bit more prepared to die if I go into space but in the ocean I don't know I don't like the pressure I don't like the darkness I don't like the creature in space there are fewer there's the concentration of creatures seems fewer you know there's more room yeah ocean if you dive there's other people who have died down there there's other corpses my question is what is decomposition like in space because isn't it like one if you you die really quickly if you get exposed to whatever the chemicals are in space because you can't breathe and then you just continuously move there's no you won't stop moving and the temperature is so cold that are you kept in a preserved preserved State perhaps we need to fund The Body Farm to see how bodies decompose in space because that's really going to help solve crimes it's just human curiosity yeah I will donate my body to that okay okay yeah okay I'll make sure that happens thank you am I

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dying before you then yeah probably if you're trying to go into the bottom of the ocean I'm sure

Energy and aura theory

in 2 in 2007 a researcher or there's this one particular area of the woods this person saw this once invisible blanket of light and energy is now visible so basically people can see their auras here that's so fascinating I was just thinking I'm pretty sure I can see people's for us really I've seen it multiple times and I feel like if I practice it I will be able to do it yeah you should try it's also interesting because I've probably seen someone's aura like three or four times like throughout my life like not many times and it's always made me wonder if it was like I'm not I don't think it's me I think there was something with

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that person that like there was just a moment where they just glowed so brightly yeah something was going on with them that they it just like couldn't be contained like it normally is but I don't think it's ever contained like I think we all have this light around us if I this is the thing though it's really only happened if I'm staring at someone for a long time and we're not talking so that's really creepy well that's the thing it's like you kind of defocused your yeah you just like eyes a little bit focus on the end yeah possibility for this journey it's the spiritual awakening podcast so there's something about this particular spot that allows this electromagnetic field around you well electromagnetic fields around you to kind of like dance around and appear to others and so if you go on a guided tour they'll teach you some of the tricks to see your aura so I believe one of the things they do is say you know you

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should stare at your hand and in between your fingers until you have no fingers anymore it's just kind of like fuzziness and then you'll be able to see the color and how big it is and then they'll also teach you and I'm sure people can just do this on your their own too but to put your hand up and kind of like reach and feel where there's a little bit of resistance on someone else's aura or like on your own and kind of push and play with push and play Push and play with the aura which I did with my friend Meg in high school we did a full-on like Aura meditation should we do a push and play right now and well I like could not feel hers I was not talented enough but she felt mine we should do a live on patreon who are we trying to push and play everyone grab a partner I don't know why I really love to say push and play it also sounds like weirdly sexual oh the more I say it the dirtier it gets it's in your mind also um if you use chat GPT it will not write you Bigfoot

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smut like I asked it to do for any last night sexy stories yeah Aaron is very upset about it I know I was like come on like I want to just Envision a date with Bigfoot wow no I wasn't even asking but you could probably ask her I was like I want romance and it was like no no you wanted you wanted sexy steamy I did say give me a sexy story about because then you did have a big love story I did yeah we did we did have one yeah it was well I asked for a enemies to Lover's Ark and it did and it delivered it delivered okay also on the property is an area called the healing Labyrinth and then the dead center is the focal point of the largest Vortex on the property so I'm assuming probably Vortex number one I don't know unless they discovered an even larger one as one of the three but I think it's important to note here that despite this all being kind of like silly and amazing to to walk around these like crooked

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buildings and feel your energies and kind of be disoriented it's a really great place to also go to heal you know like we can go in and be like this is silly or this is a little scary or I'm confused but if we fall back on what the blackfeet experienced like it is a place of healing and magic and this energy is beneficial in so many ways and so I'm glad that they have a dedicated space on the property the healing Labyrinth for people to walk around and to feel themselves and and put out their intentions and feel better and heal yeah Center themselves yes yeah and also what a great place to manifest to that's what I was thinking I want to walk around the Labyrinth and manifest and see kind of what powers unlock within I might need to fly back to Montana before flying back to before L.A no you're not allowed to go without me oh yeah okay fine but I need to I need my energy

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you got mad at me a few episodes ago for doing a ancestral class online with that that's true you cannot physically fly too but you're still doing the class without me you're also doing your postural therapy you would just do that with me well you can't do the class or in a fight I'm turning away from them together okay so this place sounds really cool super amazing right yeah weird fun wacky little stuff on your road just like us um some people think are you okay yeah I'm a big neck lady I slept funky you gotta go get your ice pack am I turning away from you ever aggravated it see what happens when you're mean to me you were mean to me first I feel like you're my sister that's right to say we're turning into Sisters

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the sisters in the woods this is we are Hocus Pocus now we're like and then we go oh the chickens oh okay okay that was like way too loud I hurt my own ears we'll have well thank you for an editor I don't know I didn't speak that English thank you for an editor named Christina says okay so some

Bigfoot encounters

people think that this is a hoax and there's been a big argument about this just being like basically a fun house like this is we're tricking people we're whatever who knows what it actually is and whether people are experiencing a gravitational anomaly that can be explained or not explained I don't care that's what I do care is that uh there's some things happening around here and so I'm going to tell you a couple a couple scientific theories first okay and then some paranormal thank you so there are several

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scientific theories that attempt to explain the strange phenomenon okay the most common theory is that there's an area that is affected by this gravitational anomaly and according to this Theory there's Ascension concentration of mass in the ground beneath the Montana Vortex that has somehow created this Distortion in the gravitational field I don't know what that mass is right and wouldn't they be able to figure out where yeah but basically it was like kind of like Gravity Hill sort of Vibes you know where the cars are going I forget what it is it's like your car even if you kind of move completely yeah you like Drive uphill even though you're not moving or something like you know you put your car into neutral so they think something like that is happening where people appear to grow and shrink and it's the same sort of thing it's like rolling up the hill versus down the hill another theory is that the Montana Vortex is affected by a magnetic anomaly and it's believed that there's a really strong magnetic field

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in the ground beneath the property that can affect the behavior of the objects and the people in the area and this could explain why compasses don't work in certain areas of the property okay and so I don't know enough about magnets but I do wonder if there's something where like it affects your vision like if it affects the the way atoms and molecules group together and so or like at least the space between us like how we see like the open air is distorted this person isn't but well even if the magnetic field is distorted in some way what causes that right aliens yep but the fact of the matter for Texas aside is that this portal is a hot spot for something this Vortex is more than gravitational anomaly what

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is it for things are lurking in the woods Bigfoot and aliens and Aliens yes thank you I feel like I just showed my feet for free Christina can you put like a ghost over my foot so no one sees it or put put a box that blurs it yeah your stomach is going wild put a block a block a box that blurs it out and I don't want to be a Wiki feet pay fifteen dollars censored material it's censored danger Area 51 okay Bigfoot has been seen here and there's photo evidence of it but I couldn't see any photos I Googled couldn't find anything so they're hidden somewhere maybe someone just has them on their personal personal computers can I just say something really quick Area 51 is a foot five toes one foot

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and all that area that you want to get up in anything more I do love it's one stone it was like such a stretch I do love no that was not as fast I do my one of my favorite phrases now is like I'm gonna take the 210 2 feet 10 toes I'm gonna walk oh I've never heard that one I like that yeah no I'm gonna start saying that too I'm gonna take the 210. I'll see you there also I feel like that's such a California thing yeah it took me a while to shake that when I moved back okay so Bigfoot has been seen there's photo evidence I haven't seen photos so if you have access to the photos please privately DM me I wonder if there were any of the cryptozoology Museum probably there was so much Bigfoot material I was trying to take pictures all over the place and there's just there's so much there's so much it's so easy to miss things that you have to go 20 times yeah so people have reported

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seeing a Bigfoot four times that have been recorded okay in recent history and a paranormal researcher on staff this year when the website said this year so I'm hoping it's this year okay last year because I think it's a seasonal opening type thing okay but the Paranormal researcher on staff this year has been staffed to basically help collect the reports of all these strange sightings Bigfoot sightings included people have seen Bigfoot through the tree line the shape of Bigfoot and large Shadows that are cast behind it visitors have come across large Footprints of an unidentified bipedal creature which happens to look a lot like the footprints of Bigfoot casts that we see um and they actually did go and take some of the casts I believe of some of the footprints that were found like if if the people were able to bring the owners I guess back to the place

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they would try to take moves of it what a cool job yeah and I believe some of the casts are now on display in the gift shop oh and it's definitely not one Bigfoot it's multiple bigfoots because a lot of what has been seen are varying shapes and sizes just like not all feet are the same right not all Bigfoot feet are the same so it's like very clear that it's the same sort of species but some might be younger some might be you know like they have different children breads of toes and yes exactly different weights and sizes and how much weight is is put down on their Arch and heel you know all that so if there was an only fans for bigfoot feet would you subscribe who wouldn't if there was proof of Bigfoot's foot just like consistently but if no let's just say we lived in a world where Bigfoot was walking amongst us amongst the amongst us and it he was not he she they were not a mystery and

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they started only fans for their feet would you join no and here's my reason we would be personal friends so I would have easy access to those tips okay yeah I don't need to pay no I'll just look down at their sandals when we go to brunch every time you go to bed every night yeah when I put their warm socks on out of the dryer and sleep well my love nice little head tickle every night rub some like Cypress scented yeah do oil not lavender it's like fur tree smells snow pie like horse shampoo I used to use that I know I feel like that was a thing a lot of people did yeah Mane detail yeah mean and tail something like that apparently it was supposed to help us I don't think it did anything but uh yes there are bigfoots in the woods and people have heard and captured

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sounds of the Bigfoot in the woods too so apparently it's like these wailing howling screams that don't belong to any creature that we know of yeah we know Bigfoot so I guess it belongs to Bigfoot now I'm just looking out in the woods hoping that while you're talking I know I will see a picture I've been hoping that this whole time I've been scanning the tree line every time there's like a sway of a you know Trier Branch I'm like what moves that all right I'll keep it I'll be on watch great thank you Joe

Snacking with cryptids

Hauser the owner who bought the property most recently and bought it with the intention to study the electromagnetic anomaly on the property is a big believer in Bigfoot and has now encountered Bigfoot plenty of times on the property so cool he and others say that Bigfoot seemingly appears out of nowhere because it's a Vortex because it's a Vortex it's a portal and Bigfoot is an interdimensional being right like that's a theory that now I'm like believing more and more and more the more stories I hear about Bigfoot

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yeah it's just like especially too like the fact that this thing just pops out of nowhere there's not that much space I mean I know there's a national park but like think about how many cameras are around and people and tourists and whatnot and for these things to just like blip in and out of existence yeah and have such a concentrated area right next to the vortexes where they're seeing seems like one plus one equals two yeah Joe says that at night the Bigfoot will sometimes knock on his house I don't know if they're knocking on the front door or just like all around his house I was picturing kind of like all around like I love I love it's like my neighbor it's the neighbor they're like ciao come on Joe do you have a cup of tea for me no never mind what I was gonna say my toenails clipped and I was like why do I have to say that I love when I okay I admire you so much because you say what comes to mind so quickly

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but then sometimes I try to stop myself because I'm like we don't need to go down but I love it thank you I appreciate it you this is some of the negative reviews we get others do not whereas I just like I'm a parrot I hear what you say and it's really funny and I say it again I know that's happened since I do I've started to ask for some of them to be cut out because you'll say something even if you're like the do not like the donut I just okay so Joe says bigfoot.com they knock on his house at night and they also seem to be either he's like not really sure if they're pranking him or if they're unhappy sometimes with the way that he does things or if they're just generally like making themselves known because he says whenever he rakes the walkways and tries to clear the path for people who are walking down these nature trails and on his property he often finds signs of Bigfoot activity along the path so I don't know what that means if they're just like putting all the leaves and debris back

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in the bath or if they're leaving little love notes in the sand Joe Hearts Bigfoot I have no idea or they like that there's a trail for them to walk maybe it's better on their toes oh true true they are Barefoot yeah they're just they had already sawed off their calluses and so now their feet are are sensitive what if they want shoes should we leave shoes and then in one million years Bigfoot actually develops into just human beings and Bigfoot was an ancestor although Bigfoot I feel like if anything would be a future us because it's clearly able to navigate portals and others maybe we get super hairy maybe half of us break off and become aliens and the other half of us break off and become big we would for sure become Bigfoot and I would choose our own adventure and then we could be enemies made the enemies to lovers are it's about yes you have foreshadowing in order to hear what we're talking about it's on our patreon uh

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for April April then go watch back yeah Joe has taken to making them snacks leaving them some sweet little treats so Joe and I are on the same page uh they seem to really enjoy peanut butter and jelly sandwiches who doesn't he also has started to put double sided tape around the bowl and so they're leaving behind sometimes like from picking up the bowl some hair which sometimes has some follicles skin follicles on them saliva probably saliva anyway this is Joe collecting DNA and he's taken this DNA these DNA Staples and he's actually sent them off to a project that's working on analyzing DNA samples from what is unknown can we talk to Joe I freaking want to okay let's do it I think they I think he's like actively working at this place

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too like not just a silent owner that just is I think he's like there he's researching he's experiencing The Vortex all the time you know what I love to think is that Joe thinks Bigfoot's knocking on his door but it's actually our astral bodies from a different time knocking on his door because we want answers help us help us it must be inside Bigfoot what I talked so much about the love of Bigfoot and I feel like I talk about it in a way that's like kind of a joke and it's like oh Karen loves Bigfoot but it's also not a joke it is so serious like if if I know I really want to join a Bigfoot hunting group like for real let's do it some people want to try Pottery in their downtime some people you do want to do them yes but more than that well I'm gonna make pottery to create bowls to put peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in be like

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I covered M M's so much you and Bigfoot just munching on some peanuts okay but also I don't know if they would like peanut M M's which is so weird because so they love peanut butter and jelly sandwiches but they don't like Skittles or M M's oh so I don't think they're a big fan of chocolate or sour okay and the reason being is Joe has left those in the bowl he leaves various snackies human food little snackies in the bowl and sometimes I like them peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and sometimes they spit them back out of their mouth and leave a slobbery version of it back on the bottom of the bowl

Aliens and UFOs

orbs strange lights ghostly apparitions weird noises and other paranormal phenomena has been documented and seen on this property and I couldn't find I couldn't find this anywhere except for uh one place on the internet so I have no idea if this is an actual story or if it was fictional inspired by this place or or what but apparently there was a

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woman who had a glitch in The Matrix A Wrinkle in Time and saw a scene from the 1900s unfold in front of her and that's the only piece of information that I was able to find I don't know anything else from the 1900s it feels very outlandered doesn't it yes yes that's so cool Joe encourages people to bring cameras EMF recorders crystals dowsing rods anything ghost hunting related or anything could explain also getting into we're super down we have our EMF recorder that we brought to our live shows and there's other stuff that we want to buy because this thing is an expensive hobby it's a hobby it is so we have some we have some desires if anyone wants to donate anything to us we would accept it we would so Joe was clearly like he's not trying to keep this for himself he's like let's freaking find out what is going on here so he wants everyone to do everything and I was thinking about it and I was like given just how much is happening and how many UFOs they see in the sky and stuff in this area I was like they

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should totally do a ce5 event which I'll go a ce5 event for anyone that doesn't know it's a close encounter of the fifth kind and that is where you make basically like telepathic communication with aliens and so people enter a meditative sort of state and try to summon the aliens and have communication and oftentimes when there's a ce5 event in turn there's other Close Encounters of varying degrees second third whatever because they'll see different spacecrafts you'll see UFOs lights in the sky and sometimes physical beings appear around them so I was like oh they should totally do a ce5 event and I don't think they do a ce5 event but they do another event which is called a UFO spotting night so Joe and his wife Tammy they host these nights I don't know how often at least once a year we gotta go yes and basically the intention is to look up at the sky and and see what UFOs come and they have these high-powered binoculars

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that they use to look up with this guy I think the way that the Articles were written it sounds like Tammy's more of the binocular gal and I would be too if I had access to that so it's the perfect place to do this because UFOs have been spotted numerous times about the property making it quite literally an Alien Hot Spot oh my gosh and there's a photo taken by Joe and I'm going to show you the photos taken on April 2013 at 12 45 PM the Sun is far off in the distance so the light that you'll see in this photo is not the sun okay so the sun was way to the right of the Columbia mountain and as soon as he took this picture of what he saw as a giant ball of light that was like taking up the whole sky it collapsed into a small orb and flew off East and quickly disappeared which reminds me so much of all the times that people are like there's two sons or there's two moons and they see multiple in one it's not like a double reflection sort of thing where there's one Moon and then there's one moon it's

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like there's one Moon and then they're totally different one Moon yeah and so this was like a double some sort of thing and so here's the photo I was gonna say I was trying not to look but and the thing is probably where my cursor is like way off in the distance that is the sun isn't in the photo because it wasn't even nearby where this light was that is spooky and even if this was the sun it's way too big yeah it's 12 times the size of the sun it takes up the whole entire Mountain geez but a lot of other people see similar things similar balls of light in this area big old ball of light so that is the Montana Vortex that we all should add to our haunted road trip list I want to know if there are cabins and farmettes like this nearby and that's our next stay oh my God yes food book it before we leave here yeah I'm down we're coming along if we do a tour

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we need to make sure we stop in Montana or somewhere around there somewhere where we have to drive through Indiana yeah because you and I both have said I know a lot of people when they go on tour they fly and driving is obviously longer yeah but but it would be so fun because if we can make it work we could see all these cools we should get like a cool little camper and that way we don't have the paper hotel that's true we can travel on the cheap yes to sleep yes in there just where perfume is our showers they have showers in this they do and if you do like an RV oh yeah I guess so yeah all right well we've got some plans to make we'll have an extra bed for Bigfoot I'm really losing my voice oh I thought you were clearing your throat because you were gonna say actually we'll have an extra bed for you Sabrina Bigfoot saying in my bed no I have a clump of phlegm or is it a hairball I am Bigfoot Bigfoot is

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me Bigfoot is we Bigfoot we do want a furry wiener a dog's Hound a dachshund what do you have oh I have a story I just was enjoying the uh are you trying to stare at me long enough to see my aura I'll do I'll practice it in the car later okay when you're driving I'm just one hour straight your oral changes colors because you're so uncomfortable yeah okay you watched it change to Black how scary would that be I wouldn't tell you that seems like it would be you're gonna die but also haven't we read stories where people are like actually the lack of an aura entirely is an indication like when people can truly see Horus and someone just doesn't have one it's like oh because sometimes about the Pastoral body is already leaving they're still saving their body okay I have a story

A listener's ghost story

from our listener Julie great and this was done in 2018. oh I love reading I

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mean we always read stuff from all over but I love because it's so close to when we started the podcast this is like oh gee listener and then it's also concerning because it's like do they still listen maybe not we'll find out we'll email them and yeah we read it and then they will suck them back into or they like never respond right so we'll never know okay it's called I was six when something attempted to possess me hey ladies kitty cat and fruit fly can I just start by saying how much I freaking love you girls and I did not know how much I needed this podcast in my life also I binge the [ __ ] out of it all 78 episodes in less than three weeks it would have been a shorter time but my job kept interrupting me how rude also so rude encounters 19 regarding your dog eating your neighbor's corn on the cob I laughed so hard and so loud that I needed to share it with my office and they loved it too do you remember that story no my dog when we were moving into our house disappeared and we were like so confused and then he ran back and we're like we don't know

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where he went and we were eating dinner and all of a sudden he starts like gagging and he threw up an entire oh entire like corn on the cob cob and we were like where the hell did you look we didn't have corn we're like what happened and then a couple months later there was like a neighborhood barbecue and our neighbor was telling this story about how he was grilling one day and he had like a whole plate of corn up on the counter and he came back and a bunch of corn was missing and he had no idea where it went and my family goes we know what happened to the corn oh my God and you know the dog your dog was so like knew what it was doing was yeah especially how hastily the dog ate it like to eat the whole thing like it knew it didn't have time it got it had to have it then this was a Bernese mountain dog so it's not like a small little dog who slipped in and out

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it was a massive dog dog who ran into the house and I mean props to him wow bear oh I miss him okay here is my story for the first 12-ish years of my life I grew up in another country and when I had just turned six years old me my mom and sister visited my aunt who had just had her first child she lived in a small one-bedroom apartment so we were all in one room while the Chewbacca went down I like that word I know I was just thinking that debacle I've never seen itself okay my sister and I were playing in the corner of her room while my aunt and my mom talked and gushed over the new baby and then all of a sudden I felt this magnetizing Force pull me towards the upper corner of the room at first it felt like it was trying to enter me but then immediately I knew it wanted to harm me and my sister it did not have a face or features I

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mostly felt it and saw a Vortex like energy I started to cry and scream mom don't let it hurt me while running to my Mom's arm oh well in her arms ice cream don't hurt me don't hurt me don't hurt me and cowardly saying mom don't let it hurt me in crying hysterical oh I can imagine the fear and it's not cowardly she's six years old yeah and even like anyone would react that way don't you think yeah that's just human nature I'm I'm almost 30 years old and when things happen my mom's not even around and I'm like Mom I'm filthy I mean we made a bunch of people on our patreon Live While babysit us and follow us around our Airbnb true my aunt being a pediatric nurse thought I was running a high fever and hallucinating so she ran to run me a bath and grabbed a thermometer the older kind with mercury in it well she placed it under my arm and it exploded what I didn't get hurt and I still felt

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this Force sucking me towards it and after a while I felt like it was stronger than me and I could no longer cry or speak it was clear it was not going to give up oh my mom was freaked out because she said I was burning up and my face was turning pale so they decided to take me to the hospital and the second I was out of the apartment so much calmer like a massive weight was lifted off of me I never told them what I was feeling that night and never told anyone about this because I thought I was really sick but I never forgot what it felt like and what this energy Vortex made the room look like to give you a better idea it made the room look like the light tunnel filter on a MacBook on a Mac photo booth do you remember that yeah yeah needless to say when I got my first Mac computer all my suppressed memory came back I had only returned a few more times to my aunt's apartment my grandma passed

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away on September 14th on her youngest son's wedding day and nine days before my birthday we all took it very hard me the hardest and I still can't talk about her to this day and I'm about to be 30. tears anyway she passed after I turned eight and I would not speak to anyone until I went back to my aunt's apartment she had told me many times that I would have a full conversation with my grandmother while at her apartment oh unfortunately I do not remember them I wish I did me my mom and sibling moved to the U.S in 2000 and I have never returned to her apartment even when I go to visit because not today Satan thanks for reading my story I hope it didn't scare you as much as it still scares the bejesus out of me I love you girls I finally feel like I found a place where I can relate and share my experience without being made to feel like I've lost a few marbles I found you ladies on Instagram but is there a way to become a part of the book club without having Facebook thank you Julie yes Julie there is I will send you the Goodreads link

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and hopefully you still listen yes oh my gosh the I can't get over the thermometer just like slowly exploding because a thermometer it's not even like just like oh it goes up to 105 degrees like that thing has to be so I don't even know what it has to go through for the like the actual Mercury to bust out of the glass and I do think that was a Thing If I'm I don't know I don't remember but like Mercury is really bad but um yeah but one thousand percent I feel like something like Extreme has to happen to create it create the explosion right exactly into it's not like she was moving in an aggressive way at all like she was a small child and this was just her mom was probably very gently putting it under her armpit putting it under her armpits actually oh that freaks it's like what the hell

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was trying to get in her what was trying to be absorbed right into this energy and this energy was like clearly surrounding her yeah but then grandma was around her own oh her aunt her aunt spirit and then her grandma I think her Grandma's Spirit must have been at her aunts place okay I'm confused on the aunt was dead no grandma the Grandma's Spirit oh that's what I meant like good thing Grandma's Spirit was around but I think it was after oh yeah well good thing you didn't get possessed I don't know who to thank I know that I'm curious we'll follow up with Julie and hopefully she still listens but I'm curious if the conversations with Grandma were at Beyond or or what yeah I would like some clarification I also want to know if that's happened to anyone else like the explosion the what the vortex thing or the explosion the explosion or I that's the

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part that's like really getting me we should do some research because I wonder if that's a thing yeah either way Poltergeist activity this is spooky and I'm glad Julie's okay but let's go to Montana I'm down Montana's Vortex we're coming for you also if you have paranormal investigative stuff that you no longer need or are just dying to give to us we do have a PO Box yes we do or if you want to send us I don't know some candles or cards if you want to send us your wedding invitations we like to look at them we do like to look at them yes don't send us any teeth no we've heard horror stories from other people but we're I think what's special about this group is we've we clearly you guys know we're scared and so you really respect us yeah it's all like protective and kind and nice candle and we don't say anything scary yeah in the mail which is

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good we like that but RPO box it's on our Instagram and our website so if you want to look for it yes I think I know the address the 25 new Chardon Chardon Street P.O box number five six one nine Boston Massachusetts zero two one one four yes wow great job thank you yes it is I mean people are gonna be like well duh you should know here you should know but she doesn't ever go to it yeah it's not you live in L.A I do you don't need to pay attention to it because I just go I grab things I divvy it up and I ship you about it so often yeah though um if you have ghost stories too if you've been to the Montana's Vortex if you've seen a Vortex or if anything's happened to you in life if you've lived life do you have a life let us know email us at 1-800 for life life live life live laugh love uh email us at two girls one ghostpodcast gmail.com write and review

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us on iTunes yeah do that for every podcast that you listen to it really does help to move to social media you can follow us on social media we got some really awesome things happening to our patreon join campfires revamped it so many times and just keep adding more things to it so yeah we're hoping to make it worth your while and we do campfire stories uh every single Tuesday live and they're also available for replay so you can watch back and binge all the previous campfire stories on there as well yep we have patreon live streams for only Phantoms and above every month and when we do live shows we will also be posting audio and video for certain tiers on there as well yep um unfortunately Portland again just didn't record so we were very haunted there uh we love you all thank you so much to Christina for editing our show and thank you for all of you joining us and thank you to Sandra and her wife for having us

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well we should put the link in here yes the format Sanctuary we will yeah we will and we will see you on the other side I didn't know where to look very stupid