DON'T LOOK UP! | The Abduction of Moana Stafford, Louise Smith & Elaine Thomas (Ep 196)

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very spooky hello [Laughter] hello welcome this is two girls one ghost two girls and we are your ghostesses that is Corrine and I am Sabrina and we are three let's see 359 days away from Halloween so close I can feel it in my blood I can feel it in my bones oh here we go I feel like it should have been the reverse since you're the one that's obsessed with vampires that you

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should offend the feel it in my blood it's but coursing through our veins I don't drink milk I drink Halloween [Laughter] it's gonna be our new design ERS yeah yeah like an advertisement like okay hear me I'm turning things out what were you doing earlier were you sleeping I slept like today oh oh sleep who knew the miracle cure it's funny because you're such a night owl and you will be up at like 1am your time and then so to me I always think like oh you stay up or maybe that was just when you were in Massachusetts that you were up so late yeah I was gonna say I was like I don't think I've stayed up yeah in Massachusetts because I was writing I was I just lost track of time but um I will say my favorite time to write is actually

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like in the midnight to 5 a.m hour but I hardly ever do that because that's not functional with life yeah but there were times where I was on script or on outline and I procrastinated because I haven't created that and I would wake up at like 4am and just like write like crazy in the mornings to get things done but I loved it I loved working at that hour sometimes I feel like you just need to wait until the last second to do things to produce good work right like that's procrastination isn't a bad thing uh it might be stressful for the person who's doing it but I think sometimes all of my best writing and all of my best work in college was produced just less than 24 hours before it was due those all-nighters that we would pull in college yeah it's just not sustainable right so I

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I've been trying to work on making more of a routine and I had another writer friend who's I mean I admire her so much um but she and she's also so talented but she told me that she like took a class and it was all about showing up at the same time every single day so that the Muse can find you which is a kind of a spiritual thing right so it's like yeah it's kind of like down a dark Hall where you show up in the same place so the spirit the writing Spirit Muse can come through you and knows where it comes through you you have your little writing Nook I guess that makes sense because people have like their favorite spots that they do things in yeah and that was actually something that not to like talk about my HR job when we're talking about fun things like writing for television but that was one of the things that helped me in the beginning of the pandemic was choosing a different place to sit for each thing so it was like when I was being creative I was sitting

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at the table when I had my meetings I was at the island when I was doing admin work I was like sitting on the couch like each spot had a different purpose so that you can kind of punctuate every moment I don't know it's helpful I actually love that by the time this comes out daylight savings it will be dark at like 4 P.M oh no come on that's so sad I hate daylight savings I know when are we gonna get rid of it I thought that that was in motion I thought that was a thing too but I don't know I don't I don't keep up with daylight savings oh that is sad I'm on the newsletter so no I just dread it coming every year so I look at it it's one of those things where does I'm creeping in I know you said that I like stay up late or you think I stay up late but I do feel like as I've gotten older the second it gets dark I'm like oh it's bedtime right yeah we rise We rise and fall with

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the sun now we're we're getting old it's like oh the sun rises at 5 30 a.m I guess I'm up I have been thinking about training for another marathon and the only thing is that it's hard to train in the winter months I mean winter in L.A but but because there's less sunlight and I don't want to run in the dark no yeah and it's not like the sun comes up early either well I don't know take Apple watch be safe do the things that keep you safe oh wait I have I have a

Ghost Bureau of Investigation

little ghost story for you oh what what what it's not mine my brother called me okay which I'm happy that he's collecting ghost stories for me but he called me and he said I have to tell you this ghost story I heard before I forget it so I'm offloading it on to you right now okay he wrote his story no but he was present there in the moment okay so he lives in Texas now uh

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and my dad my brother they're Hunters I am not a hunter I have no interest in that just a FYI but they are so my brother was in Texas out with someone he knows hunting on that person's property that has a lot of property that has a place that people will come and hunt on these many acres of land in Texas okay so they're all getting ready to head out or a few of them are getting ready to head out and one of the men in the group says oh I wonder if you'll see the Native American and sort of kind of like did a little joke and they were like what are you talking about and this guy told them that this has happened to him twice now that he will be out on the land he will find a deer he'll whatever with the scope or however that person's hunting will be ready Target wise lined up about to kill the deer and the moment that

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he's about to pull the trigger or let go of the bow or whatever he's doing very close by he will hear Native American drumming and it scares away the deer so he's lost two deers because there's Native American drugs I don't know if they're the animals that's what I told my brother I was like oh my gosh they're warning the deer they're saving the deer on their property right yeah it's happened to this guy twice my brother said he was a little scared to go out you hunt you're mostly alone he's like I don't want to hear that but I love the I mean at least it's not malicious or scary it's like these these Spirits are just trying to protect the animals in the land right where they live and I'm all about isn't that beautiful right I loved it so much and two it's it's not like it can be explained Away by saying like oh me be

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there is a group of Native people in the area that have you know like are practicing some ceremony or what have you because it's this guy's property like my dad I mean my dad my brother knows this guy like it is right his land and when people have hunting land there are Trail camps like deer cams set up everywhere oh no but I mean I guess that that to me is like proof that it's not humans right because right right absolutely capture people walking through the woods with drums I just I feel like there's probably so many caught on camera Ghost or ghost caught on camera that we just haven't seen because people are not like people aren't necessarily watching back their security cameras every day or they see something but they don't really think much of it and I'm like I just want my hands on all right footage

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you know what everybody keeps talking about Ai and facial recognition and all that stuff and I think that someone needs to make some update where it does file away on all these cameras things that could be could create a spirit could be encrypted yes and it sends it which is reviewed by us so that we get to say whether it's something or not professionals professionals pro security footage reviewers I that's us it's a new Branch a new division wait what no okay what would our name be like ghost Bureau of Investigation GBS yeah the gbi the GB there we go oh I like really cool uniforms and patches hell yeah yeah see this is why I feel like this is out of all the ideas we've spewed actually maybe I'm like really losing touch with reality the fact that I was just about to say out of all the

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businesses and ideas we've ever put out I feel like this is pretty realistic well it won't be government recognized yet we I think we have to prove ourselves and our worth first but I think we could put together a pretty decent proposal I think so too that will go right to the president's office and um right on his desk it'll be the first thing he gets in his briefings and but actually we approved we go into the White House but we don't go into the room that the president is in instead we go to an adjacent room or a room under and we utilize the air vents to go and deliver our message it's like this is why we need this because you just experienced a haunting yourself two seconds ago well they do it wasn't us they do say the white house is haunted so I don't even think we have to do much work I bet everyone who works their nose already maybe we should start writing a letter a

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day that just says can you just tell us what you know about aliens come on please like we won't tell anyone I promise yes

Introduction to alien topic

which is actually a great transition because I am covering aliens today heck yeah heck yeah okay I have a kitty on my lap and she is like fully resting her chin on my arm so I'm one-handed with my iPad today but of course you never move for your cute adorable pets no but that should I should I give a little like view of what she looks like yeah all right hand the camera down for a moment let's see some camera work oh look at that sweetie honestly this is the first time I feel like she's ever been asleep during recording I feel like normally she's just running around screaming so this is great it is great she's doing really well I'm proud of you sweet girl good little baby the second we saw that she's gonna go is going to

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wake up but people do say that cats are aliens of sorts so I feel like it all comes full circle and also people say that I'm an alien I was just about to say multiple comments saying that you are a starseed so yeah I would love to think that but I think and you can think that I always think of someone made a He's Just Not That Into You um that movie the the um poster for it they made it but it was aliens and me and it was there Just Not That Into You and it's the best thing I've ever seen didn't we I think we posted that on our social media when we had it I think so we'll have to dig it up and okay so I'm actually really excited about this it was suggested to us by our listeners Kathy and Milani who are our patreon donors and I'm so grateful that they picked this because I had never

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heard of it before and as many of you know or maybe perhaps you're learning right now I love aliens and I'm severely jealous of anyone who's been abducted by aliens or had encounters with aliens um but this story had me wavering in my resolve a bit and reconsidering my entire life's desires and goals um I like that it's just like it's not even a desire anymore it's just a goal like a bucket list of things where when I when I manifest I think that's like it used to be number one on my list um but my friends my spooky Pals I may have changed my mind okay

The Stanford abduction case

this is the Abduction of Mona Stafford Louise Smith and Elaine Thomas it has been extensively studied researched and

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documented and is considered one of the most convincing and evidence-rich cases of alien abductions to date wow okay and if you don't believe in aliens then perhaps after this story you will you will but if you're like girl you won't convince me I never really believe in aliens then hey you have two options either a turn this off don't listen or be enjoy a story and I don't hang out for an hour join the club or go home two options um and if you don't believe they'll make you believe when they opened you ominous anyway okay the date is January 6 1976. Mona Stafford was celebrating her 36th birthday and she thought what better way to do that than go to dinner at Redwood

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restaurant in Lancaster Kentucky with her two closest friends Louise Smith and Elaine Thomas they drove the 30-something miles from their hometown of Liberty Kentucky and had themselves a very delightful drink-free evening celebrating Mona's birthday but the joy the laughter and the quality time that they had experienced at dinner was soon to be forgotten for the night was about to take a horrifying life-altering turn that would leave the three women lost confused and traumatized so they finished dinner and they were driving home it's around 11 15 p.m Louise was driving her 1967 Chevy I can't remember what model it was but I don't know cars um it was one of those things where I was I think I was listening to another podcast about this and

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I had to rewind like four times to try to hear the make of the car and and then I tried to Google it and I was like cars go over my head none of the sources gave you the answer or they did but just no comprende yeah and let me actually give a shout out to a podcast that I listened to because it was extremely helpful and informative hillbilly horror stories I've heard of them and it's a great thing very well produced show I was like wow the music it's great so it's 11 15 p.m Louise is driving Mona's in the passenger seat and Elaine was in the back they're driving Southwest along Route 78 in the Stanford Kentucky area when all of a sudden Mona sees something in the sky and she points it out to her two friends and they all look and see a bright red glowing object in the sky and it's pretty far in the distance so it's not really clear what it is

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but they know it's not a star and it's moving so they're all squinting out the car window to observe what this thing is and they can't really make out the details but one of them is like is that a plane on fire crashing oh gosh coming at them too that would be so scary yeah like if someone's trying to maneuver onto the road and you're there with your friends also on that road so this is terrifying it's coming closer and closer to them the three women are terrified not only are they like witnessing potentially a horrific plane crash an accident but it's trajectory is directly towards them but then something strange happens without pressing on the gas Louise's car began to speed up she looks at her friends in panic her foot is not on the pedal and despite pressing the brake the car kept picking up speed so this road I looked it up I

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think it was 40 miles per hour is the speed limit I don't know necessarily if that's the same thing in 1976 but it's picking up speed to the point where it gets to 85 miles per hour without Louise pressing on the pedal with her trying to press the brake she has more control of the car she's trying to hold the steering wheel and has no control I would that I was about to die yeah one thousand percent I mean think about the chaos it's you see this Burning object coming towards you your car is now out of control Mona grabs the steering wheel and is trying to help but like it was like the car Herbie Fully Loaded it just had a mind of its own there there was no control [Laughter] and then like just being horrifying what we know because of the topic to be an

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Alien Encounter and you're like yeah like the Lindsay Lohan her being fully loaded I'm trying to think like what other what other movie does the car take a life of its own and that was all his mind the entire franchise but but that thing like it went Mater is not necessarily like you know her people are loaded I don't know just it just felt right now whenever anyone loses control or I feel a lack of control over my emotions I'm gonna be like oh going matered they went matered uh going Herbie go and mater'd okay so they are losing control of the car and it's just chaotic they're you know they realize now so they're like panicking with the car and then they realize that they look up and they're like wait that object that was falling out of the sky is no longer Falling Towards them and one of them has a realization that's because it is now

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behind them trailing oh so this object so it already crossed over them yeah but they just didn't notice in the front of the case of trying to control the car yeah so it is now behind them following them and they're like oh my gosh this is not a plane that that is crashing or on fire this is something so outside of our understanding and I can't even imagine the thought process going on because it probably happened so quickly and so much is happening all at once that it's just like your brain I could I can hardly imagine my brain keeping up you know right so all of a sudden next thing they know this quote-unquote craft flips on its side and comes parallel to the driver's side of the car so it's behind them and now it's right next to them honestly maybe it's a good thing that they couldn't control the car because I

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feel like if I was in this scenario but I'm slurring my words now if I were in the scenario I might crash you've gone made out of fear I've gone matered but honestly like right like I'm glad that something is projecting them forward because otherwise witnessing this whole thing I'd be I oh we'd be off the road in a second right I probably faint yeah flight fight wait fight flight freeze I kind of like combined all of them into one for a Liars or just faint I think that's the first thing I keep forgetting about we can't forget about that one um so this thing is now hovering parallel beside the car on its side keeping Pace with them but also probably manipulating I mean 100 it's the one it's a thing manipulating the car as well they're looking at this object and utter horror and they later on went on to describe this in the exact same way so I'll explain what they saw it was an enormous

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disc shaped object with a dome on top with a ring of red lights around its midsection and a yellow blinking light on the bottom of the aircraft so to me it sounds very much like a traditional what you would expect of a UFO or spaceship yeah and the light at the bottom kind of feels like where the light comes out to beam people up yeah and then there's a quote from mono which I'll read she said the Dome was blinding and it reflected on a metallic surface which I'm sure was more than 100 feet wide so as I'm trying to Imagine This I'm trying to picture the size of it right you know you and I both struggle with spatial awareness yes so I'm also blind but how tall how like I don't know how tall a story is but if it's like 12 feet

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then we could say eight or so stories high right yeah but I'm trying to picture like it flipped on its side so this is much bigger than the car right so it's like yeah I don't it's it's hard to picture on this you know country Kentucky Road how massive this thing is next to them right and how close is it and where is the tree line yeah because something even tilt that's true I know Kentucky it might not it's not technically tornado country maybe so it's pretty flat so I was just trying to look up I tried to look up the exact location on a map where it happened and I couldn't but I did follow along the Kentucky Route 78 I looked at it and like the route that they would have taken all I know that it was in the Stanford area of route 78. because this is often called the Stanford abduction Okay so

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this UFO as I will call it because that's just what it was is like this following along with them keeping pace for a couple of minutes and then and I think that the car is still going out of control they have no control of it can't press anything there it's just they are in for the ride a horrifying horrifying ride um Mona said that it felt like the car was being pulled and we were going over a long straight road even though Route 78 is like pretty windy and far from straight Elaine remarked it felt like we were going over Road bumps or flying in air pockets like on a plane oh okay which part of me makes it that makes me wonder if they were hovering like what if they're not even right Road especially if they're going straight I was thinking the same thing because even if there's just the slightest curve you feel it in a car yeah and then after a few minutes the

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aircraft shoots ahead of them on the highway and shoots out three bluish white beams of light that illuminated the inside of the car so much that it was like they were just dosed with sunlight and it was bright and blinding apparently with it came a hazy fog-like substance that caused Louise Mona and Elaine to have a burning sensation in their eyes oh ooh it's like it's gas there's some sort of gas that is irritating them their skin their eyes their yes well because then the next thing that they remember is coming to in the car in a pasture entrance just outside of houstonville which is eight miles from where they had previously been when I first saw the spacecraft or UFO

Aftermath of the encounter

wow okay and yeah that's like 15 20 minutes

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I'm trying to math again I'm trying to think about like I'm trying an hour that you had said earlier yeah but like that's it's not like oh they popped up three minutes down the road like that's that's a good chunk of time well what's even more wild is that when they come to they're all shaken up understandably so but they realize they lost an hour and 20 minutes yeah and also their skin where they had been any Exposed Skin that they had like if they were wearing t-shirts whatever they were wearing yeah was burning like they had a burning sensation on their skin oh I mean from the gas of whatever was in the air when they were abducted yeah and they're horrified and confused and just none of them can explain what's going on the the only thing they can do is like we need to get out of here because we don't want to sit around and wait for whatever that was to come back so they go to Louise's house

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in Liberty and but by the time they got there it was 1 25 a.m so keep in mind all of this stuff happened at 11 15 pm this drive should not have taken more than 45 to 50 minutes total door-to-door from the Redwood restaurant to Louise's home no more than 50 minutes they should have been home before midnight so they're like so confused they see the kitchen clock it's 1 25 am and they're just like how is it possible that we lost an hour and 20 plus minutes they're they it's just hard for them to grasp so they go over to the neighbor's house and also let's remember that they were sober they didn't have any alcohol at dinner yeah so they're very shaken up they go over to Louise's neighbor's house to confirm the time and I this makes me miss the like good old days of the friendly neighborhood the or Neighbors because I mean granted I live in a compound where it's like all my friends

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but I'm imagining like living in a neighborhood nowadays like you don't necessarily you're not necessarily best friends or close enough with your next door neighbors to like go knock over at 1 25 in the morning and be like hey can you help me right so Louise Mona and Elaine go over to the neighbors and the neighbor confirms it's 1 25 am Louise also looks at her wristwatch and even stranger the our hand is moving like the seconds hand so it is her watch says 6 a.m and it's just not working properly okay and the neighbor I'm this is making me nervous I know fine and yeah there's so much that comes out and Yeah well we'll get there but so the neighbor actually seem to be very like calming and helpful in the situation it was like okay here's what you need to do let's write down everything you remember let's draw everything you remember just to get it down right now

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and then we'll call for help and so they call the police station but the police were like what this that we can't help you I'm sorry what are you trying to say like this is out of our purview we have no we don't deal with UFOs if that's right they're calling it you know we'll also imagine getting a call from someone who sounds frantic that said that a giant saucer of metal that first looked like a fireball came over next to them and now their skin is itchy and they can't remember the past 90 minutes you'd be like okay I mean we wouldn't but I imagine someone else might be like what have you been smoking exactly and also I'm not necessarily sure how Mona Elise and Elaine were describing this if they were even in a place where they could say like oh I think we saw a UFO it sounds like they were just so shaken

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up that they didn't even know how to process what they experienced so it might have been hard to communicate but yes 100 the police were just like hey not our not our not our place sorry we can't help you so these three women are just like helpless and have no idea what to do they're very confused by what happened but they go to bed and they awake the next morning in physical pain their skin was raw they had blisters pounding headaches and burning eyes and again they wake up they are sure that something happened to them and they call the Navy recruiting station for help and then the Navy Recruiting Station then calls the Lexington television station and within like a day it becomes Front Page News oh okay wait so they went to the Navy for help and then the Navy immediately went to the press and like outed it yeah

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yeah I mean and now we get to hear the story so am I mad no but and also the Navy the Navy has always been I mean Navy has always come out or I'm saying always but in the history of the past let's say 15 years they were some of the first to come forward and say we see weird in the sky yes in the ocean right and aliens are real so we're Team them yeah I mean I think that this is a perfect example of very similar to True Crime or you know stories of murder where people get so caught up in the story that they forget there are real people behind it who are suffering and dealing with it so it's the same thing with this story like oh alien oh my gosh how cool we need to tell the world and get it out there but they're forgetting that these three women had to go through with something horrific in order for there to be a story and they're wearing the physical evidence as well as the mental too yeah

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exactly okay so it becomes Front Page News very quickly and poor Louise Mona and Elaine who were just looking for help now are confronted with a media circus people are showing up asking them for quotes asking to interview them and they are just trying to process and cope this traumatic event that they have right explanation for and then you have followed it ufologists I think that's how you say it UFO ufologists UFO ologists I wonder if ologies has an episode on nephologists if not if not let's tell Ally we're waiting not professional we just want to listen no no we'll go because we want to listen not that we know anything yeah um so then a bunch of ufologists are you know naturally very interested in this and want to get information on it as well but like I said a lot of them are

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doing it for selfish reasons they're like oh we don't not that they're deliberately and consciously saying oh we don't care about Mona Louise and Elaine and what they went through but they are without they're not caring about them as humans they're just like oh tell us everything what happened I want to know right and it's it's hard I mean you get wrapped up because it's such it feels like such a sensational story and it's exciting and you want to hear more and then it's easy to forget about the person who it happened to because in the grand scheme of things not again to say that they're that you shouldn't consider these pers these people or what they went through but I imagine that the amount of people that were like this is such an epic story and understanding what happened feels like such a big priority to understand future encounters with UFOs yeah I get how people got down that rather wrapped in forgot about these yeah these three women definitely but Elaine Mona and Louise denied any

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requests for interviews for any just they were basically like we're

Investigative breakthroughs

not doing this but then entered Jerry Black at this point in time Jerry had spent 20 years researching UFOs and worked with the mutual UFO Network mufon and when he heard about the Stanford case he was intrigued and started doing his own research and I think at this point Jerry was a little bit discouraged by all the research he had been doing he spent 20 years looking into UFOs and aliens and abductions and everything and talking to people who said that they had experiences but there was just little evidence that was concrete that he almost was like I might need to give up on this um and he approached Mona Louise and Elaine with a more Humane approach but they all denied his first attempt at a request to speak but Jerry was

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persistent and finally convinced them to talk by appealing to their psychological mindsets and was like hey maybe talking about it could be healing I promise I'm pretty sure he promised he wouldn't share anything that they talk about with press unless they felt comfortable and he also promised he would bring his wife with him so that Louise Elaine and Mona felt more comfortable and had a female presence around I love that yeah smart yes very and ultimately I do think there is a lot of Desire amongst all three of these women to have some type of understanding and they reached a point where they were like we need to do something or try something so they went forward with an interview process with Jerry Black and I think Jerry came with a bunch of other people involved in the mufon network and immediately upon the first meeting of Mona Stafford Louise Smith Elaine Thomas Jerry Black and his wife and

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Company on February 29th it was very clear how much of an impact this potential this is just the word that they use to me very clear abduction had been on all three of them and I read that they did not use the terms alien or abduction at all until Mona Elaine and Louise used them because I didn't want to project something onto them or make them don't leave the witness right exactly all three women were exhausted and worn down so the abduction happened on January 6 1976 this is now February 29th so it's a little bit more than a month passed they have all at this point lost a significant amount of weight their eyes appeared sunken in they looked so frail and had just this unease and they they were very shaken do you think it was from the trauma or

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something physically that happened to them inserted into them I don't know I'm trying to think of like what could possibly be a physical I'm not words I can't I'm not making sense at all Yes But to answer your question I do think it's both I think it was a combination of the trauma and also something physical happened to them during this encounter because they all three had developed in an unquenchable thirst that like they would drink so much water and never ever ever feel satiated they lost excessive weight which could be a combo how much time was this after the abduction over a month oh okay okay never mind I was gonna say maybe gross but like maybe they lost a lot of blood and they were trying it's interesting get the liquid back in them but over a month that would not that's not

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very accurate for water consumption Louise also on this first meeting like pulled back the hair on her off her neck and revealed on the nape of her neck was a round pinkish gray block the size of a half dollar not block blotch sorry words so it was like a marking the size of a half dollar on her neck Elaine told Jerry and the other investigators that she was terrified for her two friends because she was watching Elaine and Mona or Louise and Mona really like be worn out to the point where she was like I think they're going to have a breakdown and I'm sure she was speaking for herself as well but she was projecting it in like I'm concerned for my friends Louise could hardly manage regular day-to-day activities let alone go to work and perform her tasks and after this is so wild to me after returning home from the incident on January 6th

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Louise's beloved parakeet who she had a great relationship with became horrified of her like when she walked in to her place the parakeet flew into the side of its cage like squawking trying to escape her oh no oh no wait is she the one that has the blotch on her I wonder what happened what was put in her that is breaking this animal have animal instincts which is this is a predator now I'm scared I need to stay yeah yeah oh that gives me chills like what like it almost like it altered her being um Mona was suffering from an inflammation of her eye and she had a doctor prescribe eye drops she like had an eye exam and just nothing helped all three were terribly afraid to know what happened by this time they had heard the term alien abduction

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and we're possibly under the impression it could have been what they experienced but they were restraining themselves from really using that term because they were like we don't remember anything their memories were just blank nearly 90 minutes of their lives just gone poof right so this all comes out in the first meeting and by the end of it they conclude that these women had most certainly gone through something very traumatic they were not making up a story about you know whatever for sensationalization or for attention whatever it might be this had truly happened to them and it was very clear to everyone in the room so the ufologist and Jerry Black were like we need to help these women we're going to conduct research document our findings and help Louise Mona and Elaine recover their memories if they couldn't do that they'd at least assist them in their psychological recovery and again promise to keep any and all details of the event confidential until all three were strong enough and decided on their

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own terms that the information could be made public so like I had said the parakeet story with Louise so they decided to run a test they brought in multiple birds and multiple subjects and they saw how the birds would react so they basically had a bunch of birds they brought in normal people like you and I I guess we're not normal but um we're special we're special but the birds reacted normally but every time Louise came in the birds would panic and freak out and display indications of high stress but not to the other women who were abducted only to her who had the patch on her I don't know I don't know if they brought in Mona and Elaine as well I think they just brought in like random test subjects okay sadly just three months after the

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abduction Louise's parakeet died of unexplainable reasons this is also strange so I mean all three of the women had like a lot of side effects and implications that occurred to them after the abduction or you know they're not using the term yet but Louise herself seemed truly to be have been altered in some way not only are birds reacting strangely to her every electronic seems to react strangely to her her wristwatch is spinning incorrectly like I said like her like any watch she wears it starts working improperly she once touched the clock on her bedside and it too stopped working properly then her car the one that she had driven that night had a long laundry list of problems the engine would die the lights would go out it just basically wouldn't work something is in her so yeah something was put in her yes which oh like did they not figure out

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what was under the patch of skin like that would be one of the first things like Chef well also I don't I mean I'm not a medical professional but maybe there are I I don't know how dangerous that would be to not know what's in someone and just stick them in a machine like what if that like makes the thing they say within their eyes you can't have metal on or something right exactly yeah

Hypnosis and shared trauma

so a large part of this investigation included hypnosis regression they called in Dr Leo sprinkle my love his name he was a consultant from the aerial phenomena research organization Dr sprinkle worked as a psychologist for the University of Wyoming and was trained in hypnosis they believed that they could use the hypnosis to access the repressed memories and discover what occurred during the missing hour and 20 minutes during the presumed abduction

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so on March 7th of 1976 this is now two January February March yeah three wait two months two full months after the encounter Mona Stafford was the first to agree to hypnosis so on March 7th she's the only one who goes I think Elaine and Louise were just not ready she went to see Dr sprinkle and as the session began Mona was able to walk Dr sprinkle through the events of January 6th going to dinner driving home the object in the sky the car picking up speed the spacecraft hovering by the car the bright light but then it became too much and Mona panicked she was unable to access the missing time and it was causing her too much emotional turmoil so she ended the session after this session Mona moved away because it was just too hard for her I think she moved in with her parents

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um she continued to partake in interviews and was open to talking to Jerry and other investigators but she was no longer living right near her friends Elaine and Louise and one afternoon the ufologist Leonard Stringfield was asking Mona if she saw the entities but Mona didn't remember so Stringfield used drawings from other alien encounters so he basically like did a lineup of aliens and set and but without telling her that they were aliens yeah I think had they at this point said like this is a UFO alien abduction yeah I guess I don't know specifically when they started using the term but I just know that they were very careful with how they used the terms okay so Stringfield shows these images of aliens and Mona pointed one saying that that's what she saw and she like has this recollection of

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the face wasn't solid that it was able to come and go and fade in and out like a fog ooh which is strange later on Elaine Thomas pointed to the same figure and this was the first time in the entire case that the ufologist felt comfortable oh this didn't answer your question this is the first time in the case that they were like okay we're gonna say aliens this is an Alien Encounter emphasis on Aliens also just really quick you said that the face didn't always appear as a face it came and went sort of like a fog what if the gas gaseous fog that first encapsulated them and burned them was the beings themselves like what if they are just this giant cloud of matter that just so fascinating like a collective being that can kind of stuff you think that it can then become

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anything yeah right or at least present itself as I don't know if it will look fully solid as that thing it makes it feels like kind of Cloudy like demons how they manipulate yes mimic other things mm-hmm so we really could be walking among them what if demons are just aliens and [Laughter] interesting I don't want to believe that just because I feel like behavior-wise they're so different and also um I don't like the to imagine Demons driving like spacecrafts I feel like that's such an alien thing let's not take that away from them okay risk facts we're coming to aliens yeah um they don't come a piece in this story apparently Okay so

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they're using the word aliens there is some criticism that has been received based on this specific part of the story because they're like Stringfield basically led the witnesses or the victims like they by giving them the images like they had said before that they didn't remember seeing the entities so if he showed them images and she was like oh it was that I mean it perhaps could have triggered a memory absolutely but I think there's just some criticism of like did this mislead them did it impact the investigation in a way foreign after this the investigation lost some steam and money they didn't really have funding so then Jerry Black was like I really think there's more to be done here and I think he helped cover the costs he paid for Dr sprinkle to come to Kentucky and run more hypnosis sessions with Elaine Mona and Louise and in June of 1976 sprinkle came to the brown motel in Liberty Kentucky to start

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a series of hypnosis sessions it was June 23 1976 Dr sprinkle Jerry Black and Bob Pratt of the National Enquirer were all in attendance and the three women to start this underwent a polygraph lie detector test and all three passed with flying colors to the point where I'm pretty sure they brought in like a detective or a police officer to run the polygraph and this police officer was like aliens aren't real I don't believe in any of this and by the time he had finished conducting conducting the lie detector test he like looked at all three men who were there was like I'm I am going to eat my words oh my gosh I love this I love having a non-believer to show up and turn yeah they all because they all went

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individually and all of their stories were the same and there was no hint of deception so over the next few days all three women underwent hypnosis and in total I think there's eight hours of hypnosis that they went through wow together like not like at not at the same time but it just in accumulation collectively and they recorded them all and Jerry Black has said that it was it is it was really really hard to experience and even he has a hard time listening back to those recordings because there's so much of the recordings that is just the women in pain and crying and you can you can feel the fear he said that when he was witnessing it like they would contort their bodies they were just it was really really physical for them to relive oh wow um but over the course of the eight hours the events of the missing time slowly started to come forth see this we we ate our words by saying

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that she was still alive okay so I'm gonna go through the series of things that kind of came forward during these hypnosis um they all agreed that they were taken aboard some kind of craft and subjected to physical examination which bordered on torturous there seemed to be no sexual assault or sexual Invasion but that all three women were positioned and restrained in an uncomfortable and embarrassing manners Mona Stafford recalled being placed on a white table in a dark and uncomfortably hot room and a chair-like device Louise Smith said she was enveloped by a strange Darkness and Elaine Thomas recalled being an estranged capsule with a weird noose device around her neck which tightened painfully if she tried to think or even tried to speak okay that's really scary yeah

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all three noted being scanned by instrument instruments that put pressure on their limbs Mona was examined by an i-like apparatus and a bright white light with a power or ability to hold her down she said she was placed in front of a web-like structure and covered in a liquid surface that burned her skin she felt quite a bit of pressure around her eyes and remembered being examined by small individuals with surgical gear and masks on at one point while under hypnosis Mona made a comment saying it was like being in a volcano and I'm going to read a quote from her this was she this was like recorded in the hypnosis it was a long tunnel dark inside with an opening at the top it's clear now at the end I can see an operating room everything is white a white round light

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shining on a white table and I can see four small beings around the table they have a tube on somebody's stomach it's a woman there on the table but I can't tell who it is maybe it's maybe it's me on that table being examined so that is so scary come here so she is remembering seeing herself outside of her body which I mean perhaps you know people have said during traumatic events that they like disassociate and leave their bodies and is she looking back down at herself being examined by these aliens because it's just so hard for her to process or is that just in hypnosis how she's able to get herself back oh that's her soul is you know the whole like what even is time like yeah

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bringing her to that point to witness it yeah as it happened oh it's so unsettling everything everywhere all the time Maybe um Elaine Thomas remembered being in a chamber with a window and recalled seeing four foot tall gray skinned humanoids with dark eyes walking back and forth around this chamber she also remembered a bullet shaped object placed above her left breast at one point then there was Louise who remembered the least she said that she was pulled backwards out of the driver's seat and enveloped in the darkness and drenched in a liquid that burned her skin similar to Mona she could hardly move and was so dehydrated and unfortunately after her first session of hypnosis Louise declined any further sessions and was like I can't

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this is too painful and too hard I don't want to remember

Legacy and long-term effects

and to this day the Stanford abduction case is known as one of the most well-documented well-documented abduction cases in UFO history and there was so much research and studies done on Elaine Thomas Mona Stafford and Louise Smith and while the world feels justified in their conviction that this is like oh this was 100 an alien abduction these three women were dramatically impacted and traumatized by the events a couple months after Louis's hypnosis the ufologist contacted her to check in and this is now July 29 1976 and Louise was basically bedridden and said she was too sick to go to work anymore she told researchers that just 24 hours prior to their call she had awoken in the middle of the night to a voice that it called her to the place of the abduction and despite being afraid she

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drove there like she found herself in her car drove there in the middle of the night and she got out of her car stood in the spot of the road and apparently felt a tugging at her hands and at that moment she like freaked out and panicked and got back in her cart 3 A.M she returns to her car and drives home but on the drive home she looks to her hands and realizes that two of her rings had vanished oh something pulled off her rings okay you said that they could appear as anything and clearly Vapor as nothing as nothing it's still something so and these are veins like I don't know Korean you're probably experiences like these Rings don't come off like I have to wear I have to put lotion on or something to really take them off that and that's a little chubby tapered fingers they really give a good grip onto this metal yeah my skin is like

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growing around them now but um bonus or sorry Louise said that these are rings that she usually has to use lotion to take off it's not like they're gonna just accidentally fall off in the road and she even went back with a police officer to look in that area for her rings could not find them and then randomly two months later she opens her front door and guess what's sitting by her front door the two rings shut the up they disappeared mysteriously over time these three women remembered more information Mona remembered that the three of them were separated and Mona and Mona apparently remembers leaving the original ship and going to another ship that had three floors oh okay sad that they were all separated too I know the abduction happened and all underwent also let me take a moment to

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say I wish there should be some sort of like Galactic law as to what you can do when you abduct someone because they clearly severely injured these women yes yes it was torture yeah that will be another branch of gbi we'll draft Intergalactic laws yeah for the aliens to follow the galactic Bureau of Investigation is still gbi okay I like this um Louise also remembered that the entities and Aliens were hoods and their eyes were frightening and large and their hands were like bird wings like very large and so again they're kind of like amorphous and like different hmm there is an image that um I yeah Louise Drew here I'll show you we'll have our editors added into

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oh uh I'm getting teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle from this yeah the notes on it says dark hood and dark suit gray hand couldn't see body from waist down hmm it's so interesting that it they did appear as so many different types of beings right like is this just one creature that just has so many different appearances or can morph or are these multiple alien creatures that are all like living as a collective of each various spaceships interesting yeah I don't know I'm that's the hard thing it's like how can we ever know unless we get reincarnated as aliens laughs so then Mona encountered she believes she encountered the extraterrestrials again she said she had been living with her parents for a while but one night decided to go back to her own home and while she was there she heard a voice in

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her head that told her to turn around so she did and she saw a creature that was five feet tall with reddish hair a beard and wearing a shiny robe the creature gave her a telepathic command to look into his eyes and Mona was like I can't do that she ignored it but then all of a sudden she forgets she forgot what happened like she lost some more time and as when she came back into like Consciousness the creature said Fury the mind is still hungry and then it vanished that's Mona like oh terrified so Mona like is horrified she goes back to her parents house and is trying to understand what Fury and the way that she wrote it was b-u-r-e-e she looked it up in the dictionary she tried to find what that meant but then couldn't find anything and was like maybe I misheard it

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maybe bury is like a higher being I don't know but it does sound like this entity was so different from the aliens it could have been paranormal because apparently all three women who were abducted afterwards had an increased like they just had a ton of paranormal sensitivity yes paranormal yeah they had a ton of paranormal experiences after that some of which did not involve UFOs or aliens for a while Mona lived in Florida and eventually moved back to Kentucky um Louise Smith eventually moved to Las Vegas and unfortunately Elaine Thomas died in 1978 of unknown causes and I will show you a picture of the three women oh there they are I love their outfits I know and then this is a drawing that Elaine

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Drew on I think it says it's dated January 6 1976 which is the day of the abduction or maybe maybe she dated it because that's when the abduction happened I don't know but this is an image that Elaine Drew wow wow ew oh that that honestly looks like an image that a cartoonist would have done to depict an alien abduction yeah so we'll put those in the video for everyone to see and we'll post it on our social medias as well but that is the Stanford abduction which was the Abduction of Mona Stafford Louise Smith and Elaine Thomas my God I feel so horrible for these women because I feel like there are so many abduction stories where it is traumatic where you do lose time where you aren't sure what happened to you or or these strange physical markings that you now wear but usually I feel like it

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ends sort of at that but this it the fact that their skin burned that they had these weird patches on themselves that their own pets turned against them it's just horrible the things that continued to happen to them over time yeah it's really devastating and they had to go I mean called back yeah there's just no resolvement no there's no way to I mean anything traumatic that happens is terrible don't get me wrong I'm not trying to like negate or minimize anything else but like this is something that very few people experience so there's no support groups there's no there's no like no hey we've experienced this too I mean I'm glad that they had each other but well I imagine even having each other would be tough because after going through something like that and recalling it in the hypnosis

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to remember your friend being tortured on a table or ripped away into another room seeing their face is a reminder of the own pain and Trauma that you went through so yeah while it does feel good to have that support I imagine sometimes it could be triggering you know certain facial expressions absolutely certain moments that you just get brought back to that moment again right and also if you're trying to move on maybe you know there's three different women and everyone processes things differently like maybe one of them is super reliant on the others and then maybe another one like Louise after that hypnosis session which is like I can't do this anymore like I can't participate in these I don't want to know and it sounded like Mona and Elaine wanted to know more and that would cause Rifts between their you know between them as well I can't even imagine like getting in a car again after that no driving that road ever again

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oh my gosh I went to that restaurant there's just probably so I wouldn't ever want to be outside at night or in a car at night I would be so scared to yeah so I was listening to let me pull it up somewhere in the skies that is a podcast that centers all around UFOs and they had done an episode on this and I had listened to it and they actually have audio from I think it might have been Mona from her hypnosis session so I don't know how much of the hypnosis sessions are public readily available maybe exist in a documentary somewhere but I'd also heard that there were other reports from around that area at the time and one of them was from a farmer who had his farm like right there where these three women were driving yeah he said that he saw a low-flying aircraft so the whole community in a sense also experienced yeah

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yeah I had read that I think there was some you know I think with anything there's some debate of like is this true or is it real because the the encounter became Front Page News very quickly and like I think the researchers and investigators then later asked people in the area and it's very possible like they're you know I 100 believe that some people probably did see something but I also believe that they're probably people who heard the story and then wanted to be a part of it or or convince themselves that they did see something as well yeah yeah that's tough because there's plenty of things that I see that I'm like wow that's weird and I mark it in my mind but I I don't post on social media about it yeah report it to the local authorities but if someone came out and said did you see a strange Fireball comic go across the sky that looked like it was about to end Earth four years ago in this area I'd be like yeah I actually did yeah most people would be like okay yeah you did so I

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understand that and then also like you and I both talk about our dreams sometimes feeling so incredibly real that we're like yeah are we just living in our dreams in one of our other lives that exists close to us and in whatever sort of Dimension we're in what if our dreams too like we can convince ourselves that we experience something that we actually never did yeah I mean I told you there was a period of time over the summer that I was so convinced things had happened in real life but they were just my dreams like it just was it felt that real it's a little bit Yeah confounding um I mean it could be real yeah it's just not not yes Dimension real somewhere else your eyes I just want a dimension hop now I think that's my new goal I don't alien abduction down at the bottom of the list Dimension hopping top of the list top we need just like a rotating

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list that we can just have live somewhere I want like a big show of it where you know kind of like Wheel of Fortune style we have like this giant thing and then we just have like these big wooden slats that we move you know like in the first place this is it's like the stock market but with our parents desires yes yeah yeah but we have a big party and uh celebration every time one of them moves yeah yeah I want to celebrate it we want the party we want the ceremony yeah okay wow well that's yeah one of the scariest alien encounters and abductions I've ever heard I'm definitely gonna go on a deep dive after this and try to find I feel torn because I want to hear the audio of them going through the hypnosis and I obviously know it exists now because it was posted yeah a clip of it was posted somewhere else but at the same time part of me is like yeah but that's traumatic for them like why would what did they never gave permission for that to be out there now I'm seeking it

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out yeah feel torn yeah I'm curious I couldn't find like a documentary where any of the women were involved in it so I am curious what happened because I know Elaine had passed away I couldn't find information specifically on Mona or Louise and where they are now if they are still alive um so I don't know what happened after um yeah well maybe someone else does maybe someone's local anything that area of Kentucky right like yeah it exists within their Town's lore yeah yeah

Listener submitted story

if anyone knows anything let us know comment below please do in the meantime I have a listener story to read to you okay and boy oh boy is it creepily similar to this is it that you just told us oh yeah

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it is okay okay this is from Krista hello ladies let's get right into it shall we I have two UFO stories that my grandmother has told me taking place in the 1950s in Fairfax Virginia my grandmother Carol has two siblings named Debbie and Linda and they all decided to take their parents car in the middle of the night to attend a party on the way to the party my grandmother mentioned how she had seen a light high up in the sky that seemingly followed them Linda and Debbie wrote it off because they knew my grandmother's love of spooky and my grandmother loved to scare them but unfortunately my grandmother was not trying to scare them this time a few minutes go by and she sees this big blue ball of light following them and then suddenly it started getting closer and closer almost hovering above the car so as it gets so similar as it gets closer to the vehicle the

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stereo messes up causing Linda and Debbie to get irritated since it was playing one of their favorite songs not like the big light in the sky was any of their worries just the radio do not turn off my favorite song do not suddenly the light dropped down right above the car and shined to this huge light all of them started screaming panicking and yelling what the is going on what is that my grandmother describes the light as if it was scanning them all of them at once Linda Slams on the gas and goes and Debbie's in the back able to make out what this thing looks like while still in hysterics saying it looks like this huge disc with a bunch of Windows and lights this stereo goes out completely and Linda notices that the gas pedal went to the floor like it had no resistance stop I know I have jails the car shuts off the disc above them shining extremely bright gets brighter

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and brighter and then boom gone flashed away so fast it left them almost blind for a few minutes after it had gone this is they're screaming to each other what was that what was that over and over again after a little time passes by the car turns back on and they rush back home fast forward a couple years later Debbie is 16 Carol is 18 and Linda is in her early 20s they all get cancer thyroid and cervical all of that the doctors could not explain it and the only thing that made sense is if they were exposed to some sort of radiation some way somehow like what luckily it all got treated and they're all okay now but for my second story this one is pretty nuts my grandmother went to the dentist before the encounter that I just mentioned above and had all of her wisdom teeth so they'd scheduled a date for them to be taken out weeks after the encounter my grandmother

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went in to see the dentist again to do one last x-ray of her teeth to see if it had gotten any worse because she had impacted damage the teeth were gone he came in the room and asked when she'd gotten her teeth taken out and she was confused like does this dentist even know what he's doing and so she says never and the dentist shows her the x-rays before and then the X-ray that he just took and her teeth are gone no incision line no swelling nothing and to this day we cannot figure out what happened is this UFO Shenanigans or what is it I've been told UFOs tend to follow families which I have encountered many times and even have had some vivid dreams of being abducted they were actually really sweet too so I'd be totally but I'd be totally okay if I never had to have that dream again hopefully it was a dream I have too much anxiety for this kind of anywho

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hope you enjoy thanks for doing all that you do you guys at thebomb.com sincerely Cresta I the tea thing is so weird that there is something I just tried to like Google it but so I remember someone saying that they're like wisdom tooth dissolved on its own or like something strange but I couldn't find anything about that I may have made that up or something happened in another timeline but well and it's that's so strange it was only a few weeks time even if a tooth does dissolve all four of them that are impacted yeah in your gums don't dissolve all at once and I also don't think that that's the two girls one brain cell comment um but isn't that crazy and also there's a whole experience it makes me think these are the same aliens because everything is so similar right to the Stanford case

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the thing so even the way the UFO was described yeah how it comes towards them the car speeding up the car yes and two let's remember these these women I mean they were they were kids at the time they were really yeah like the oldest one was basically probably just able to to drive and so I think the difference here is they might not have even known if they lost time or not to them they were just frantic and they get home and they're like talking a mile a minute here's what just happened to me whereas the case that you described earlier like they they had conscious time marks because they left dinner and you know if they were they were older they were thinking of that but I do wonder if um Chris's grandmother did lose a big chunk of time and when they felt like they were blinded in the car sitting there waiting for them being abducted yeah and all of them developing cancer as if they had been exposed to radiation mm-hmm

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mm-hmm wow this is reminding me I feel like there's no chance I'm gonna find this quickly but I'm gonna try so our dear friends Jerry and Sarah from ladies and tangents I'm trying to sorry if you can hear little Clips I'm trying to pull up their Tick Tock to remember what exactly it was but okay I'm not gonna find it Sierra had something oh taken out of her body what was that her do you remember was it her appendix I want to text her right now and be like what came out of your body again wait hold on I can check my DMs but definitely liked about this okay I can't find it but even the Daily Mail posted about it but she also had something where it was like there was no sign of it surgically being removed it just disappeared it's gone right so I think Sarah also is experiencing abduction yeah maybe Sarah

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was being abducted um interesting but to that point Krista did say you know like they've heard a lot before and we've heard too that UFO abductions don't yes and they don't end with the one abduction you know like these things are continuous continuing to watch and then yeah you're next of kin are additional subject matter for them yeah so I do wonder I mean Krista you owe us many more emails about all of your experiences that yeah I don't know I wonder if Krista's also getting abducted now aliens are so confounding I I'm like so torn right now because my like instantly my my immediate thought was Krista can I sleep over and

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and subject myself to this as well but um but then I don't yeah I think in in Theory it sounds fascinating because I just have this desire to know more but in practice when I hear all these stories and the repercussions or the side effects and and psychologically and physically that come from abductions who would ever want to subject themselves to that who would ever willingly go through that right because we don't know exactly what happens yeah we don't know exactly what tests are going to be performed on you specifically and you don't know that when you come back you're going to be okay

Show wrap up

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