The 600-Year-Old Book No One Can Read | The Voynich Manuscript, Aliens & Forbidden Secrets (Ep 314)

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I have a story about a book that nobody can read it's seemingly impossible to decipher if it's some sort of code and it has all of these strange illustrations in it that depict flora and fauna that don't match anything that exists on Earth today an alien manuscript potentially The Voyage manuscript mystery very spooky hi hey this is two girls one

Hexes, Powers and Crystals

ghost two girls one ghost we are your ghostesses that's Grand hello I was like oh my God am I supposed to introduce myself today no and I'm Sabrina we have a spooky episode for you we did research

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we find weird cool things on the internet in books on TV shows we research them and then surprise each other and tell each other yeah but I have a question for everyone first okay did anyone hex me just a quick polite I'm not mad I just want to know because I think what has happened to me in the past two weeks you've got a lot going on there's something someone has something I would say it extends beyond the last two weeks you've been going through it yeah but the last two weeks is like way worse way worse two car accidents Urgent Care 911 ambulance emergency room visit Noah having allergic reaction basically being pulled out of daycare there's like five more thing I like broke my toe there's a million more things I'm curious to rewatch The episode with Alisa Kelly what she said about this period of time I don't remember there being any blaring like oh watch your back Karan no but I think there was a lot of like transform

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in your life of like the type of person you want to be like the type of like person you want to be seen like publicly as and okay well maybe someone who's not injured someone whose child is okay I do remember it was like May was supposed to be like the time where things pivoted into like a really good outlook for you H okay we're close we're close I mean I just didn't know that everything would crumble right before we got to that period I thought I was already down down down down so if you hexed me please stop just a polite request to knock it off to unex unhack yeah and then if you have the power of unhexing I'll take it I'll take the energy yeah yeah everyone who's listening let's all manifest good energy towards Karen and me while you're at it you can give it to me too I could always use it I feel like I'm permanently down here for the last like four years but yeah just send some good energy some unhexing healing waves this way clearly we should move the Crystal jar down here

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CU I feel like we're missing out on the positive vibrations of all the crystals people have sent us I actually when I was at my witchy class two weeks ago I like had this buzzing in my hand like for so long and I was like what is this like why am I it was specifically my right hand and it was just like so energetic that I was like am I like trying to feel something I don't know so I went around the store cuz it's like a kind of like cool witchy Apothecary store as well as where you take classes and I just went around and I held a bunch of crystals to like see if anything like matched the vibration or kind of like calmed it and I ended up getting like three or four crystals oh really yeah interesting yeah they I have them with me do you know what they're for yeah I have all four well I mean I could not off the top of my mind but a lot was there like anything like any clear message coming from these crystals a lot of them were about like centering energy and finding like peace in like a

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chaos and then a lot of them were also like creativity because I was like writing so I want to you know feed my creative bug yeah nice oh I love that but I felt like you I had the like Crim Buzz buzzing isn't it weird when it happens so weird it's kind of cool though it's intense and it it wasn't stopping it makes me feel kind of like a superhero where I'm like I could if I can harness this energy I could like and like throw an energy blast at someone the power or like create a bubble you know like Incredibles bubble well you texted me and you're like we need to put you in a bubble I said I'd find a way to suffocate on it apparently because of everything that's going on I feel like um significantly higher up I know you do this is the new chair that is the new chair which is odd I feel like I'm wearing a booster seat remember when we went and saw Beetle Juice yes and we got the booster seats oh on Broadway wa okay in my mind I was like wait a second I couldn't go to the the new Beetle Juice movie when we went on we got drinks and booster suit and we

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got drinks some booster seats we thought on Broadway we were like because we're adult children we were in the last row of the orchestra and we were like well we're not going to be blocking anyone and everyone's blocking us so let's we got booster seeds yeah and it was great and we cried to intermission the First Act was so good so emotional my gosh well I have a story

Topic Introduction: The Voynich Manuscript

okay for today it is about a book A book that nobody can read it is one of the greatest literary of maybe the entire existence of humanity the book is written in a language no one knows it's seemingly impossible to decipher if it's some sort of code and it has all of these strange illustrations in it that depict basically like flora and fauna that don't match anything that exists on Earth today what it has constellations that don't match anything in our galaxy and it has these humanoid figures that aren't quite perfectly human an alien

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manuscript potentially like some alien came here and was journaling and dropped their journal or that it was their journal from their other planet and they left it behind right exactly because is there anything earthlike on it it kind of feels like Avatar like it feels like if you were shown something you'd be like that's a plant but or that's a flower but that doesn't exist here it doesn't exist here this is so cool from World War II codebreakers to Cutting Edge AI specialists no one has been able to make a clear translation really no one's been able to translate anything at all some believe it to be a long lost alchemical manuscript some people think it's hiding these forgotten remedies and secret knowledge uh reserved for the elite few so very conspiracy theory okay others suspect it's an elaborate hoax crafted centuries ago to mystify and mislead which I'm on board for that theory just because I respect whoever did that and put that much effort into it if that is the case mad respect mad

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respect but also like how confusing for us now and then there are a few who question whether its Origins are entirely of this world could this be a journal Left Behind from another planet this is the mystery of the voich manuscript voyich sounds very Russian is it Russian the guy who found it more recently is from the Ukraine okay so that region the story starts in the 17th century but for us it starts in 1912 because Mika hdon voich had intended to

Mikha Voynich

become a pharmacist when he was younger but then when he was 20 he joined the first proletariat which was this revolutionary organization run by a Ukrainian philosopher and activist this is like literally feels like it's out of a movie so he joined this essentially Revolution and he was part of a team that was set to break into the Warsaw Citadel which was this giant prison in Poland that had been holding a lot of the people from this like revolutionary

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group so he was like trying to break out his friends okay he didn't succeed Oh No in fact he was caught he was sentenced to hard labor in Serbia until he escaped in 1890 okay so he didn't succeed at freeing all of his friends but he escaped he escaped but like this whole thing I'm like what am I watching it's like a movie yeah yeah and then he relocated to London which is where he made a career pivot he was no longer this revolutionary activist and protester he was now moving into the world of antique books and becoming a rare book collector I would love to follow suit right so he got his citizenship in England and he chose to angiz his name so he was now going by Wilfred Michael voyich Wilfred voyich operated a rare bookstore in SoHo Square in London and he would spend a lot of his time outside of the store and basically traveling the world trying to like track down rare books and Antiquities it's like the perfect combination between archa ologist and

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professional antier yeah right and like I feel like he kind of had the skill set already for someone to kind of go into like the weirdest darkest corners of the world B doing Nicholas Cage in all I wrote that later on I was like this is National Treasure you can't tell me this is not a National Treasure plot it's so wild okay so his Pursuits in finding these forgotten texts and these rare books led him to Italy to a 350-year-old estate called Villa mandon mongji mongji M which is not even Italian but this Village was just outside of Rome and this Village has existed for quite a few centuries but it's always essentially been owned by the Vatican so the Vatican ran this Village in 1620 basically opened it a few centuries later as this University so it's it was a college it was a Jesuit college kind of like if we took our College LMU and made it its own bubble and its own little village and everyone

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there was basic it it was college town yeah okay run by the Vatican for a few decades it functioned as this J college but then the Jesuits basically fell in some hard times and the College closed and they had to sell off a bunch of their historical artifacts from the school and that is when Wilfred went to

Finding the Manuscript

purchase some of these rare books and sift through all of like the Vintage findes that they were selling it is thought that this is how he came into possession of what is now known as the voyet manuscript although he kind of did go back on his story a few times so at first he was like this is where I went to find the book but then he contradicted his story later on and said that he actually found it in a castle in southern Europe and people were like okay this doesn't discredit the story because he was a rare book collector and if he has some like hookups and some places that he likes to sift through you don't want to basically tell everyone where you're finding the coolest sure that but also like did he go on one big trip and collect a bunch of books along on this trip and it's not until

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he's back home that he's really looking through them no because he did say that this really stuck out okay so it like his eyes went to this book that does seem a little sus to me because I'm like if it sticks out that that much you know where you got it but he doesn't want other people to go it's like when you're an antier and you have like this one golden antique store and you're like well if I tell everyone I'm never going to find any of like the good Furniture it's all going to be sifted through I guess but if you got it from like an old mansion then hypothetically it's been cleared out like it was an estate sale of sorts well I don't know where he got it that's the thing we don't know if this is like this unending he create it because that would also be awesome well some people have theorized that but it's like kind of Impossible Too based on carbon dating which they did later on okay okay yeah and also like he had so much wealth so he was spending like millions and millions of dollars collecting these items and then what he was worth for these items was just it was huge so also it's not like you know

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me going to like a Goodwill and being like this is a great coffee table I'm not going to tell anyone about this Goodwill there's a lot of money and a lot of competition it is National Treasure there's a lot of bad people I feel like when you have more money you become more greedy yeah more secretive either way Wilford found himself in possession of this text that would rock the world of Scholars of linguists of historians and codebreakers for over a century damn The Voyage manuscript is a 240 page vum which I looked up Vellum because I was like what is this it's a medieval paper made from calf skin or animal membrane so basically like they would just dry animal skin to write on so it's a 240 page Vellum book containing hundreds of handdrawn pictures of plants animals astrological symbols only the drawings are all slightly off we know what they're depicting but we do not know what they match because they don't match anything physically here on Earth that's so wild the Botanical spe species are not from

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this planet the astrological symbols do not align with what we know of our Sky the script is fanciful it only contains 11 letters in total each word contains two to 10 characters there's no punctuation at all it's like run on sentences the whole time it's also written from left to right which would make you think that it's like from the Western World right because in the Eastern they right right to left but obviously maybe also not from this planet and because there's no punctuation it's it's also made it basically impossible for people to understand where something starts and where it ends because there's no sentence structure which makes it harder to break a code if it is written in code also all of the letters since there are only 11 letters in total it has made people wonder if these 11 letters are spelling an alphabet like spelling out a word or if we take like Mandarin for example a lot of the symbols act as their own word so it's so difficult and we're not language experts and so like and the

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fact that language experts have studied this and it's not no no one can figure out makes no sense I'm looking at pictures of this the text was written next to the handdrawn pictures so it does look like someone is journaling and documenting all of the species that they're seeing looking up at the sky it's like it kind of reminds me of like Explorer journals where you know like perhaps they were talking about what they were doing today but then there's a drawing of like a buffalo and a cotton plant and the Milky Way galaxy right across the sky you know like we're we're seeing all that in journals and this is very very similar it just makes no sense wild these are wild looking at these photos also there are numerous Pages missing and there's no way to know how many pages are missing but like I don't think that would help like also probably was because that was like detailing his love life like and he was just like I can't I got to rip these out before I leave this behind all of the deer diary he yeah he got into journaling first it was like all about his adventures with plants and what and then it was like oh

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I at the special someone and then they ripped him out cuz that's sometimes it's impar maybe they broke up and you know yeah you got to rip it from your Journal so the question remained who the hell wrote This Journal right so Wilfred he had a Bookshop in London but then he decided to open a second rare book shop location in the United States in New York City and then a year after that in October of 1915 he oversaw this Exhibition at the Art Institute of Chicago where he displayed many of his rare books and this was the first time the voyich manuscript basically was put on display and publicly spoken about whoa and he declared like in his description of what it was he essentially said this is an unsolved Cipher manuscript authored by Roger Bacon in the 13th century who's that right okay so Roger Bacon is a 13th

Roger Bacon

century frier and philosopher known for his contributions to the field of mathematics astronomy Linguistics Alchemy and his many writings on universal grade he apparently is the prime suspect for

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authorship of the vo manp Prime Suspect this is a criminal treating it as such who is making us confused in the current century you're under arrest he could read write and speak many many languages he published Texs on Alchemy and the origins of the uses of metals and he was basically like one of the most Brilliant Minds of his time and people are like well it would make sense that it would be him because this journal is essentially like everything he studied and if he's studying grammar language and stuff it's like did he just make one up himself but if he was such a well-known person scientist mind back then presumably they have a lot of his records documents and there would be some something that resembles this right this is such a one-off it doesn't really make sense right so he was ahead of a time he was a bit of a controversial figure when he was alive the church actually viewed his work as black magic sorcery so they were like you're a

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wizard and we hate you and we might try to kill you and he was clearly brilliant because he was like guess what I'm Inna Gaslight and manipulate you Mr church and so he joined the Catholic Church as a frier and said oh wait no I'm actually helping you because this is God's green earth and I'm helping you get closer to God by learning about his creations and they were like whoa you're right Mr Wizard and then they made him sir frer bacon related to Kevin Bacon everyone is by what six degrees six degrees Yeah seven degrees of Kevin Bacon something like that so it's thought that maybe perhaps Roger Bacon did author this text either using some code that we've not been able to solve or via his own language made up and spoken by only one person which is him but why would he do that what is his motivation when he was trying to contribute so much already in the form of text and kind of like dodging people who were trying to stop him why would he go to such great length well who's to say I mean I feel like I

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refer to this all the time but project lanulos or Planet lanulos yeah and I like how he said a project though it does make it's GNA be a project in the future and move to the planet like what if inred cold was abducting people back then and sharing knowledge and giving information and it makes me think of our listener Ken who sent us the email where she was like on an alien spacecraft they were walking her around these rooms that held different creatures and animals some that she recognized some that were so foreign and mysterious right but belong to other planets yes it reminded me too of the book down a dark Hall where it's kind of like you're getting this download you're getting this information from the astral plane and then in a way it also kind of reminded me of mental illness where people can sure you know someone might be thinking that they're solving this like insane math equation and then they come out of their state and they look and it doesn't make any sense to them

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anymore I don't know but it does kind of seem more like kin's experience could be right because if he was abducted and he was seeing or like somehow went to some other world it would make sense that he was chronicling things like this although I will say I don't think he has any other journals that match this sort of like Vibe you know it has a lot of bright may he organized this mant is organized right so he kept everything about this in this manuscript yeah but if he was studying these things on Earth don't you think he would have similar painting and okay yeah so anyway why would he do it what is his motivation people don't really know is there a handwriting analysis can you match granted I know it's not the same letters but like is there a way for them to analyze his other documents and like stroke of the pen or oh maybe I don't think that anyone has done that or at least in the research that I did I didn't see that anyone has done that I'm going to solve it the letters do people have said that they resemble like Arabic okay letters and uh one of the podcasts that did a

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two-part series on this conspiracy theories on Spotify they compared it to Lord of the Rings like elfish okay writing some people have thought maybe this also because he was being declared as a wizard and practicing black magic that this could have been essentially like a attempt at a big old Fu I'm G to make myself weirder and you fear me even more but I don't think that that makes that much sense right or maybe it does because Roger Bacon was also associated with something else a bit otherworldly a Brazen Head or a necromantic head which was this automated mechanical structure or sculpture made of brass and bronze and said to be possessed by dark evil spirits that could answer yes or no questions so it's basically like our modern day Zar where you go and you like put your hell yeah 50 cents in and get a fortune I think he was on to something right because how do you make Stones speak and answer yes or no it's like a form of divination right yeah well some people say that Roger certainly created

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this but others say no this is just a part of his lore this thing didn't actually exist it's just like more reporting and rumors about this guy who like knows too much and has to be practicing the dark arts in order to do that he's a mystery yeah he is a mystery so it is a thought that perhaps he did experiment with some necromancy and maybe he did have powers and abilities and knowledge beyond our comprehension but apparently the reason why Roger Bacon is credited with creating the Vo manuscript is because Wilfred when he purchased the manuscript he found a letter written in Latin tucked between the pages which Roger definitely knew Latin and it was written to a reverend declaring the book to have been purchased by the emperor Rudolph II who was the Holy Roman Emperor king of Hungary and Croatia king of bohemia and Arch Duke of Austria that's way too many titles so many yeah and he believed that it had been authored by Roger Bacon so it's basically like this person said that they got it from this King who's or

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Emperor and the emperor said that he thought it was from Roger Bacon so it's like hearsay so the emperor bought it from Roger Bacon or the emperor just said he thought it was authored by Roger Bacon gotcha interesting anyway that's what the note said so Wilfred moich was like oh my gosh this was authored by Roger Bacon I'm putting that up in the Art Institute of Chicago and declaring this uh done and permanent so the manuscript then gained a ton of attention after this exhibition was publicized and the Intrigue of others fueled red Wilfred voyich to crack the code and unveil the mystery of his now most famous and most prized possession manuscript to crack the code tempt yeah tempt it's still unsolved for the next 18 years he enlisted book dealers historians linguists and philosophers to work on deciphering this text with him so he wasn't being selfish being like this is my own thing blah blah blah he was he was like we got out yes one philosopher William Roma newold passed away before completing his research but he declared an equation for solving the

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cipher before his passing so he basically was like oh I've already decoded a bunch of passages here's what you have to do you have to find the spot that seems to be the beginning then you log the shorthand characters transcribe the order translate into ordinary letters double everyone but the first and last number then divide into pairs then change every letter which is in a pair to one of the letters in Latin and so on and so it's yeah it's like a cipher for a cipher right it's so freaking confusing and a lot of people were like wait I don't understand but basically he was saying that this entire manuscript was written in shorthand which I was like okay I kind of actually get that because you know in courts they use one of those uh this sto machine to transcribe anything have you seen those machines and what they look like there's like I don't know like 10 keys so you can't you don't even have the full alphabet and you basically have to memorize this code if you're a transcriber and that's how they keep up with all the words so like it'll look like this they'll punch in a bunch of letters and stuff stuff and it will equal in the end Words which I don't

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understand how anyone can memorize it's like another language so I was like okay well that makes sense maybe this was the OG like Steno machine coding whoever wrote this was doing but apparently newold despite saying he had uh translated a bunch of it after he passed away people were examining his equation trying to do the cipher and they declared it basically gibberish they said no he made this up he made huge leaps in logic this was not actually a no there yeah this wasn't working out okay so still unsolved Wilfred voyich passed away it's 1930 he has died his wife inherits all of his estate and belongings okay Ethel voyich takes the manuscript and is like I'm GNA keep up with people studying it like this is this cannot just die with Wilfred and so she invites a bunch of code Breakers to come and crack the cipher but still nothing copies are made of the manuscript so everyone can study it it doesn't just have to be people who can

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visit where Ethel's located the more eyes the better and in 1944

Codebreakers and Scientists Examine the Manuscript

cryptographer William fredman a US Government intelligence worker and code breaker dove into the manuscript and he had cracked the Japanese code machines during World War II so like this guy could do things and then his wife Elizabeth was a crypt analyst who decoded thousands of messages for the US government and has a movie made about her so they were like this intense codebreaking Duo the Codebreaker I wonder if I've seen it yeah there's like a few movies that have that sort of VI there's different historical figures like who have done those sort of things but hers is the code breaker okay clearly like I'm sure his wife also looked at this with him right but he created a team who transcribed every line of the voyage manuscript onto the IBM punch card to feed into the machine so that the computer could work out any math problems and basically lead to it being solved if it was a cipher gotcha this is 1930s mhm okay which is what they did in the right in the wars to

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like this is also like 1930 code breaking is very different than like Ai and you know stuff that could be happening today AI still can't do it there's a spoiler alert so yeah the IBM machine didn't get it nothing the machine did Identify some repeated patterns but no one could understand really still what it meant no one could read the voyich manuscript so now it's 1960 eth voyich has passed away and her close friend and an employee of the voyage's bookstore and nil she inherited the book and the rest of the voyich collection she actually like in order to keep the bookstore going and basically keep herself out of poverty she did have to sell off the majority of the collection so that included the voyage manuscript which I'm sure was like the prized item people paid a lot for yeah so Peter Krauss is the guy who bought it he tried to sell it for way too much money no one wanted to buy it for how much he wanted to sell it for so then he ended up taking it to the Vatican and going through their Library looking for

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any sort of clues that match which this is where I was like this is National Treasure this is like all of these people going on these Adventures he couldn't find anything within the Vatican despite it supposedly being in possession of like originally from the Jesuits in the Vatican he eventually donated it to the bayi rare book and manuscript library at Yale University and then in 1972 Prescott Courier a Navy Captain who previously worked with fredman declared the voyage manuscript unsolvable why because he said it's written in a language that has been long gone it has to be some dead language that is impossible to discover at this point but that doesn't make sense to me because if it was a language like there wouldn't be like a code to break be able to understand patterns this has reminded me so much of when I was in Amsterdam I went to bibla philosophica hermetica which is like the largest collection of texts around um was it exorcisms or something no like Alchemy hermetica

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mysticism like religion and like Grimms and magical text it's called the or also the Ritman Library I remember walking through it and there are so many visuals that kind of remind me of this and I'm like I'm curious because it's not of religious text it's not it's clearly not of anything we are aware of yeah it's Earth and space science that I am curious if you compare to some of these manuscripts if there's any similarities like look at look to astrology and look to space first well because there's all these like geometric patterns and constellations and whatnot in this book and they don't match anything that we can see in our Sky I don't know it's all weird it is weird Okay so then a few years later National Security agent James rch child said that it had to be written by two different people in some sort of unknown North Germanic dialect so people are just thrown any idea out there so then a few

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years after that cryptographer Mary deero raised the question of the manuscript being a hoax she said is this intentionally unsolvable British Professor Gordon rug also noted that this could be actually a hoax because not anywhere in the manuscript is there any area that would indicate that there was an error so basically it's like how many times do you journal in ink no less and you make any errors that you have to scratch out and rewrite a word or like change what something looks like I understand that but there are perfectionists and like there are Pages clearly ripped out so like true maybe that does mistake could have been ripped out that's a good point that's actually what triggered my mom to send me to therapy for OCD in high school because I couldn't take notes because every time I made an error I'd rip the page out and restart so I would get like four sentences in and I was screwing up in class yeah anywh who mental illness in

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it in so Roger Bacon he lived in the 1200s the 13th century Yale University in 2009 decided to have this manuscript carbon dated love that so they sent it to the University of Arizona and it came back as being 571 to 605 years old which means that it was likely written between year 1404 and 1438 which would be impossible for r bacon to have been the scrib he lived before that he died in 1292 okay so 150 years before right so while some people think that this could be a hoax others question if it was written in an ancient language lost to time and as years pass we become further and further from ever being able to decipher it because it would make sense if it was written in code or a cipher in a language that is now dead but it still doesn't answer what are these things that are in the book well and also that told just like writes off Roger Bacon like he didn't

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write it it's impossible for him to but then I'm like they can carbon date when these Pages were written and whatnot but can they do more analysis of like what animal this came from is there any like sediments or like different qualities held wither that could maybe prove whether it's from Earth or not that's a good point cuz you should be able to also know what the D from the ink was made from and then that will tell you where in the world the ink was obtained there's also color and like what did what was used for that I'm no scientist but Yale you have more scientist to offer us I'm here to Workshop some ideas to help you find other scientists to do the actual work well a lot of people because science has not solved it yet have believed that this could be a result of autonomic writing so basically when people are in this sort of meditative state it sort of the down of Dark Hall version

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where they essentially become possessed and it doesn't have to be just from a ghost that lives on Earth it could be some sort of alien species or something but basically like whoever wrote this was a channel for someone else to write and draw aliens aliens right it all comes back to aliens and it always does which could be us from the past from the future we don't know we have no idea others suggest that this was the Lost work of the cathars or another persecuted sect hid their knowledge and code to prevent their wisdom from being destroyed by religious authorities which this also kind of reminds me of ancient Egypt and like some of the pictures and stuff that do kind of seem to be depicting an energy source and and like harnessing energy but like we don't get it yeah or we do and we're refusing to accept it it's like almost like the more advanced we become Dumber we've become yeah this is so conspiracy theorist of me but like I do kind of believe in the sort of like resets you know 100% And I also think about like it goes

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back to the Mandela effect like how does that come into play if we can forget or completely like misremember and generations of people can misremember the name of a book like what else could be erased or changed and altered in our memories well you're making me think of Time Slips now because what if someone was in the 1400s actually journeying somewhere went through some sort of like little Wormhole accidentally and was in some other version of Earth chronicling this right and found their way back but was like in this weird time slip left their Journal behind yeah I don't know this is I don't know this is the most conspiracy episode I mean because there's so much work that has been done to try to analyze and do a code break of this but there are no for over a century right so maybe the answers are not logic maybe the answers are paranormal or Supernatural or Beyond us right and it is so wild too cuz it's not like it's just historians or just code breakers

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like it's people from all over all over yeah anyone who has like the slightest bit of ability to potentially answer this is looking at it and no one can figure it out damn some people wonder if the voyage manuscript was never meant to be read in a traditional sense but rather is some type of encoded map perhaps leading to an Undiscovered Relic or knowledge hidden somewhere on Earth maybe I need to take my buzzing hand and go put it on top of the manuscript and just absorb all the energy and we take a A Journey to the Center of the Earth yes this is inner earth now we're talking about inner earth conspiracies Earth is hollow maybe I don't know probably not definitely not and then of course there are the Extraterrestrial theories some claim that the unknown plants and Cosmic diagrams are evidence of knowledge brought to Earth from another world and that this book is basically alien botany that we're being exposed to okay and of some forgotten contact that happened in the 1400s could it not also be like the

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version of James Cameron's Avatar like is this not some like creative piece that someone just wrote back then right well because also in Avatar they made their own language right same with like Game of Thrones was this and Lord of the Rings was Cameron and token were they just like living in the 1400s doing this sort of and then they were reincarnated in and now down dark down to Dark Hall yeah huh interesting so the

Conclusions

boich manuscript remains one of history's most fascinating Mysteries an unreadable book waiting for someone to unlock its Secrets could it be an ancient code waiting for the right mind to break it an elaborate hoax stretching centuries or is it something far stranger a message not meant for us at all or meant for us but not yet not yet one day someone will come along and they'll be like I can decode it when you get taken to lulus yeah you'll come back and you'll be like oh I know exactly what these are oh I can

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read this and don't worry it's not crazy well that's the thing is like if it was like this paranormal thing where let's say that you suddenly were struck with the ability to read this right but you couldn't understand why you could read it or what these things were it's another thing where I feel like people would just be like that makes no sense like you're not to be believed toss her in the Looney Bin yeah it's impossible this text is impossible The Voyage manuscript mystery wow that is wild right I also feel like there's so many things like this in the world that exist that are confounding to us like even like you brought up Egyptians and like hieroglyphs and some of their renderings and drawings of things that we don't know how to decipher yeah well and it's also interesting because I feel like a lot of those things there's there's a small sample but with the voyage manuscript it is 240 Pages massive book right so it's not like there's something etched off of a piece of stone and you're trying to figure out like the missing piece so this reminds me of House of leaves I

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want to say is called and I showed you this book so someone one of our listeners recommended it and I'll have to bring it one time and I'll show everyone on YouTube the like visual of it but it is I think there's like lore with it where it was like passed around and never was like fully finished but like there are some pages where like the book is written like spiraling around and there are other Pages where it looks like Morse code someone recently was like thanks for the recommendation I love this book I'm like how are you reading it because I need to know I need help I don't know if it was recommended as much as it was just talked about and I have it because I was like I want to buy this and I'm curious and it just I'm confused I have a movie recommendation then I have a listener email okay this movie is so good it's called presents it just came out it's so good it's paranormal what is it about but it's like a family drama and a paranormal thing kind of Haunting of Hill Housey it's this family that moves mes into um a new house mhm and immediately like the

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young the daughter like starts to feel a presence and she had recently lost a friend or to drugs or she died in her sleep something like that and that's all I'll say it's a family drama presents it's so good presents or the presents just presents p r e s n c e okay well

Listener Story: Necrotic Rite and Wiccan Family Traditions

there was nothing about the manuscript in our in box surprising no one solved it none of our listeners no but I do have an email from our listener Millie and it is called religious texts and ghosts hi girls this email is a response to your query in encounters 103 I'm very far behind but I'm catching up in this episode Karen pondered whether it's just a Bible or if it's any religious text that can be attacked or tampered with by spirits and I am here to answer you from The Eclectic witch point of view with my experiences with my ghost and my grimoire oh so cool 2019 it was a normal

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night in the north of England stormy rainy cold us Northerners are very used to this and US Northerners who are open to Spirits like myself are especially used to the cold this was around Sinn which is Halloween for the benefit of non- witches and the veil between the worlds is its theists this is a normal transition that witches and or sensitives prepare for myself included I was ready my granddad had recently passed away from old age in his sleep and this would be the first SN since his passing I was ready to say goodbye as I didn't get to in real life and I was hoping that he'd be strong enough to cross over I knew that my nanny had been waiting for him and had been waiting for him since 1998 when she passed away so I wasn't sure if he would come through or if he had already passed on and was with her anyway I had my right all set up the salt Circle the white candles the offerings to the dead I had blueberry muffins as these were my granddad's favorite and I had my Book of Shadows a book I write my own wrs and spells in

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and my grimoire which is a book of spells passed to me by my mom as a wick and tradition so cool cool both were open in front of me on the collective right communicating the spirits SN there was a short spell written in the grimoire that I was prepared to say at midnight when the veil dropped entirely I was ready my candles lit the gods I wanted present had been called my black cat familiar slept not too far away night came and I prepared to call my granddad forth I said the incantation and waited for his familiar tobacco smell the candles blew out I didn't Panic this was not out of the ordinary for necrotic rights so I found my matches in the Moonlight shining through the Skylight ready to light them again but before I could the grimoire in front of me started making a shuffling noise as if someone was turning the pages this was not part of the right but I didn't panic I wondered if someone wanting my clear audient help was trying to communicate so I lit the candle again and made to light the other four when

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that Spirit candle blew out Grandad I asked no response my heart started pounding at this point this was not normal but I was still prepared as a witch doing a spiritual right on SN you can't not be so again I lit the spirit candle and again it blew out okay I said out loud who are you can I help you move on so I can get back to what I want to be doing to be honest I was a little annoyed in this situation and at once three things happened one the spirit candle sparked a light again and the grimoire page was now open to that of exorcism the light from the candle was now lighting my familiars bright green eyes he was staring at the grimoire from outside the salt Circle and started yowling now my cat Jinx is not a vocal cat the only time we hear him is when we take him to the vet and she spelled out V because she can't say it out loud to the cat oh but now he was hissing and yowling with anger and three my clear audient ears heard loud and clear a

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laugh that seemed to say you think you can get rid of me I've always been stubborn so I was like well yeah I'm going to damn try because now I'm really pissed at this intrusion and like every good witch I had my colored candles next to me in the salt Circle just in case I struck a Black Candle the one used for exorcism and used all of my will to keep it lit this Spirit was not going to tamper with this Jinx is now pacing outside the salt Circle as if giving me back up I love having such a loyal familiar and I started to recite the spell that the entity had chosen in my grimoire really they seemed their own doom and they messed with the wrong witch I recited the words three times as is lore in the wiah I was raised in and I said the final so Mo it be Jinx stopped prowling the Black Candle snuffed itself out and the white candles relit themselves and I felt the entity leave you messed with the wrong witch I'm un fortunately this little event meant that I didn't get to speak with my granddad the veil in 2020 was

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too congested after the pandemic and he couldn't get through so I couldn't then either but my fingers are crossed for sawn 2021 I've moved backed in with my parents and my mom and I are planning a dumb supper to invite Granddad and Nanny a dumb supper what what is that what is that I don't know Jinx will be there too the third witch to our coven thank you for reading basically yes other religious and belief texts can Channel Spirits like my gmar did in this experience I love you both and your podcast so much Millie from the UK wow okay well honestly thank God for her history of being a witch in her family and being the most prepared you could possibly be in this situation right because that is really frightening and to hear the voice that's like H right the challenge because in case you you thought maybe you were just reading into the situation you now have basically confirmation that no there's something that's that's trying to stop you well I think that this also just proves that

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you can be a seasoned witch or spiritual practicer whatever you want to call it and there are times where dark things are going to still come through and they're still going to tempt you and they're still going to try to taunt you whatever it is and I think that's why we have had such hesitance around Ouija boards and opening Communication in certain ways because you could be the most well practiced witch and still you never know what's going to come through I know spooky scary spooky scary spooky scary skeletons I want to do a S one ritual I was thinking about it when you were talking about it and I was like I don't think I ever could cuz you're you have to stay up till midnight yeah I done it I've stayed up till midnight you've stayed up past midnight for investigations yeah but that's that was pre-baby that's true you're gonna have to do it again sometime soon because I'm taking you somewhere scary we have to go to Waverly Hills I know but not right

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now we we get the first yeah yeah oh actually this makes me think I was about to conclude but what if someone took the voyage manuscript into a witch salt Circle ritual what would happen is it a grimoire like would all the letters start to and suddenly it unveils what it's trying to say or would it flip open to a page and like a spirit would come forth I don't know I'm sure they haven't tried that and they've tried a lot of things and there's also so much focus on the text and I'm like what about the images right because there was one image with like almost like humanik bodies like coming out of what kind of looks like a trap it's a portal it's gonna teach us how to teleport done CIA hire us you're fired we are hired we're hired you're going to feel extra safe with us watching your back anyway yes if you have emails anything spooky paranormal

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