262. A Grinning Man from Outer Space and the Mothman Prophecies - Indrid Cold

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very spooky hi hey how's it g how are you you do oh God why am I like this this is two girls one ghost two girls one ghost yesterday we recorded an episode which actually comes out after this episode but my bathroom door was experiencing some strange things so I have left it open today okay so that it doesn't startle US during our recording should a spirit decide to open it we both have a lot of random stuff going on yeah you still have construction does anybody else experien feelings and whatnot like

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when they come into your apartment I know that you don't feel scared and it doesn't feel like there's anything bad I don't think so no there's a different house in our little like Courtyard that people feel get bad feelings from and I think I told you about that we all like after a courtyard dinner like ran over there the person doesn't even really live there for very long also there's sorry again there's we're recording so many episodes I have a ton of construction going on there's probably going to be some background noise so if you guys hear that not a ghost we could just like feed into it and just say it's a bunch of ghosts yeah I just have a barrage of squirrel ghosts upstairs although I am curious with all this construction will the ghosts act up that's I have been curious about that I mean that was kind of one of my theories with the metal rack being oh well I guess I don't know where we are cuz we're recording all out of order we're recording so many different things but there was an episode that's either coming out after this or maybe it just

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came out I don't know but I had a why can't I never remember the name of it a curtain rod that was two separate curtain rods right next to each other then on opposite ends the metal was like ripped out of the wall and bent down and I was like Jesus Christ are the ghosts mad cuz it was the morning that construction was about to begin wait I dreamed about you again what was it so you know what actually triggered this memory is I was just looking at you talking and I had heard that story before so I was kind of just like just staring at you and like not paying attention well no but I was looking at you and I was like wow she's so beautiful and I was just thinking about how stunning you are odd thing to say well no and then I reminded me of my dream and I'm curious if you're going to notice this if you start going out to places my dream was people are just staring at you because they're in awe of your beauty that happened in your dream yeah and like you went to sit in a like you basically were in mult multiple

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places and people just like kept looking at you and then like multiple people would be like you're glowing you're so beautiful talking to you about your pregnancy and then there was like you were sitting at dinner with Brian and this older lady was sliding into the booth but she kept like she went so slowly so she could stare at you the whole time cuz she thought you were so pretty I feel like that's never happened to me so I'm curious if it does well I also feel like you don't go out often yeah and I'm less likely to leave at night these days I love a good breakfast or lunch you know it's interesting that you say this because there was one specific day not about me but when I was with my cousin Laney and I don't even remember where we were if we were like in LA or Spain or Boston Portsmith we've been all over together but there was one specific day a few years ago where every single person that we passed for like the 10 hours we were out and about whipped their heads around to stare at Laney and we're like who do they think you are why

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does this entire area that we're in like the population that's out today thinks you you must look like someone right or there was just like an energy that she was giving off that day that people just like there had to have been cuz she kept asking me she's like you're sure there's nothing like on my face there's nothing weird like we were both noticing we're walking together no one's looking at me everyone's whipping their heads looking at Laney and Laney's like what the [ __ ] is wrong with everyone so yeah maybe there is some weird energy that will be off I'm not sure I'll let you know if that's a premonition that comes true or maybe it was just me being like I need to tell Ken that she's beautiful because I think she's beautiful and I want to remind her oh thanks I feel like everyone is always like oh with pregnancy people are always so like they're glowing and I feel like every other day has been such a like distinct difference where some days I'm like oh I like the way I look and other days I'm like I am the puffiest person I've ever been and I look like I haven't slept in 40 days I never noticed that about you I

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will say I think you my left eye like just perpetually Waters now too okay well my left eye perpetually Twitches so maybe that's why yours is watering maybe we're connected just we're tied together through our left eyeballs if we become a powerful coven of witches or Duo of witches if anyone wants to stop us they have to remove our left eyeballs oh that's where our power Li our silver Stak we just told them our secret don't take my eyeball please I need it I would pass out I'd probably die from Fear oh all yeah you would if they went for your eyeball wait did we say that this is two girls one ghost yet yeah we did but I don't think I said who we are so that's Karen and I'm Sabrina and my mom yesterday just sent me a like a firefighter teaches you how to get out of handcuffs and I was like thanks Mom I

The Mothman prophecies

really could have used this last week EXC excuse me come again oh Jesus Christ

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I was like I don't know if this is a thing that you just haven't shared with me about a potential arrest or if this is about to be a sexy tea [Laughter] time I've been held captive for months no she just sent it to me and I feel like your mom you and your mom send each other like safety things all the time my mom sends the most random things ever and doesn't give any context really so yeah was she in this situation and was she had no she just was on Facebook here's the question did she send it to your siblings as well or does she think you're the one most likely to end up in handcuffs no she send it to all of us okay well there there we go that's better that's better that would have been so much worse that's a very good clarifying question I think a couple years ago it would have been more likely my sister would end up like not necessarily in handcuffs but in a situation like in a dangerous situation but I think I've taken that role on and

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someone had to ever since my sister started having a family like someone had to step up I feel like you guys are just your level of risk-taking and idea of safety can be different from other people's everyone has a different threshold and I think you guys as a Duo especially after me being the paranoid person I am witnessing the two of you guys together in New Orleans I will say I think you guys feed off of each other and are down for anything oh when we're together yeah yes but growing up it was very much like I was way more tame even now like my sister I feel like when I was back for I mean as a mom I'm sure she like is so excited for like nights out but she turns up more than I do I like wasn't drinking and she was just depends on my mood sometimes I'm freaky sometimes I'm sleepy it's The Duality of Man freaky or sleepy are you freaky sleepy okay well I have a freaky ass episode and okay I don't know what I thought I was getting

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myself into but it is not what I'm about to share with you oh okay yeah I have no idea so this listener story that I picked at the end like I have no idea now if this is going to it be right given that you're like this is different than I thought it was well okay I'm intrigued so a little bit of context I

John Keel's investigation

was introduced to Moth Man prophecies with Richard Gear and Laura Linny this was like a month ago and it's based on a book book written by John Keel which I think you have talked about him a little bit when you did Cover Moth Man back in episode 83 probably so this man wrote this book all about The Moth Man prophecies and in the movie there's this mention of this name and I was like who that so that SP sent me like on a whole spiral I Googled the name real quick and it was like all connected to Moth Man and so I was like oh it's got to be Moth Man adjacent mhm B up everyone we're

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going on a ride okay wow okay I love when you take us into kind of conspiracy land too because I feel like out of the two of us you're almost the least likely to have a little wacka dooodle moment listen I read an entire like this could have been a forever episode it could be a whole season of a podcast because the conspiracies on this are insane I read an entire book and at the end they pause it this conspiracy that I was like what the heck where did this come from that I couldn't even we'll get there wait so this isn't even all of like the whole show The Moth Man prophecies this is just a one small piece that they mentioned that has all of this oh it's thing yeah mhm oh my gosh okay wait what's the book called I want to read it I highly recommend it the book will be in the show notes but I'm going to tell you about the book I don't want to say what it is yet because it gives away some story so I'm just going to start from the very beginning okay so I'm going to set the stage it is is

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1966 and in 1966 there was a really strange phenomena happening in Point Pleasant West Virginia it is one that you covered on episode 83 people all over town were reporting sightings of a large man-sized bird creature and these sightings increased over the coming months and seem to prophesy something horrible or something terrible coming mhm I'm not going to go into those specific sightings because it's not even about this but basically all of these events and sightings were caused and by December of 1967 people started to theorize upon this man bird creature who or what was it was it warning people in Point Pleasant who was this moth man as they were calling it with the big booty and the rock hard ABS mhm who is he who is he well American journalist John Keel sought to find answers and so around the same time so 1966 John Keel who had

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spent I mean this man has lived many lives he was always fascinated by the magical The Surreal the unknown he spent years traveling the world he served in the Army he worked at radio stations wrote for television even tried to track the yeti he spent a lot of time internationally and in 1966 John Keel was asked by playboy to write an article about UFOs for their publication so he went out to start investigating UFOs in Supernatural events yeah in his investigation he winds up learning about these sightings in Point Pleasant West Virginia of this moth man birdlike creature and he became so filled with curiosity of these Oddities that his article that he wrote for Playboy never got published but he was like I'm in this now and I'm going to continue figuring out what is going on also I want to know why they didn't get published was there something in there that just felt like where they thought

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it was going to be just kind of this entertainment piece and it just became way more real and so they were like actually we need to pass on this cuz this doesn't feel right for our magazine like what's the what was the reason I didn't find the answer to that question I don't know or maybe his heart wasn't in it because he ended up I don't know or it could just be a simple answer of like Playboy was like man this doesn't actually work with us they have a bunch of editors one editor wanted UFOs and the the rest were like let's do sex please yeah I feel like that would have been us it's like it doesn't matter like oh you work for a rock climbing magazine let's find a way to talk about bigf foot or aliens like just trying to make our own interest as part of it someone else comes in and they're like this does not match our brand image you're like it does though it does people are interested there's always a way if you open your heart to it okay so John Keel became obsessed with the Moth Man and really wanting to know who he was what was going on and investigating these stories like he

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almost beca found himself entranced by The Moth Man so he went on to write The Moth Man prophecies which was turned into the movie that starred Richard Gear and so again this is not about that this is about someone or something else that while investigating The Moth Man John Keel discovered something or someone connected to the Moth Man something or someone just as mysterious and strange

The silver bridge collapse

oh inred cold that sounds like a human it does I'm going to share these encounters with you in the way that John Keel discovered them okay I'm just going to give a no upfront that these took place before during and after Moth Man encounters and John Keel was thrown into the midst of it all he came in contact with Moth Man inured cold he also coined

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the term Men In Black because while investigating both of these things he was visited multiple time by men in black suits who seem to be trying to coor or manipulate his memory and thoughts he was also told many things and warned of impending doom ah the Men in Black being involved just like whenever people mention men and black I just get so much more intrigued because we also just don't understand the men in Black's role either cuz it feels like they insert themselves but then they do so little at the same time so it's like what's happening in between the visit and everything else like what what are we not seeing what are we missing here but it does make it seem like you know an alarm Bell is rised like whatever you experienced is it's something oh 100% I almost feel like Men In Black make things even more suspicious than they need to definitely Okay so John Keel during all of this narrowly escaped with

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his life and not everyone else was as lucky during all of this investigation John Keel started communicating with the spirit or the entity that is inred cold and inred cold warned John Keel that on December 15th 1967 during the White House Christmas tree lighting the country would experience a Countrywide blackout on December 15th 1967 John Keel was in his apartment or his in his home in New York City watching the White House Christmas tree lighting and just as the tree was lit the broadcast was interrupted there was a tragedy that occurred it was not a Countrywide blackout but a bridge had suddenly collapsed in Point Pleasant West Virginia Point Pleasant West Virginia of all places was the place where all of these Moth Man sightings had been occurring for over 12 to 13

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months jez yeah oh it's so it's so weird too cuz it's like you almost want it to be a Countrywide blackout so that they take him and what he's saying a little bit more seriously but it didn't perfectly match so I'm like yeah I don't know what his involvement is going to be right or the trust of the government in him well this is where it gets so complicated because and I don't know that I will ever give you the answer cuz I don't know all the connections but like inred cold seem to like want to communicate on behalf of moth man but they aren't speaking the same language if that makes sense right yeah it was like a translation that was maybe miscommunicated but anyway right the Silver Bridge which connected Point Pleasant West Virginia and Gallipolis Ohio collapsed amid heavy rush hour traffic unfortunately taking the lives of 46 people there are some photos that we can show of the bridge collaps there's no like gory images or anything it's just the bridge broken so now that

The grinning man

we understand how the Moth Man sightings

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culminated in tragedy not for the last time I'd like to know but this is not an episode about moth man I want to share with you the stories of inred cold and we can discuss speculate and theorize who the heck he is and what his connection to Moth Man is okay I'm ready as John ke was doing this investigation he put together some encounters with inred cold I want to clarify that these are the main three encounters that are considered connected to Injured cold there are many many more there are so many that you can find online there are a lot of like Reddit forums that people are like oh I experiened an encounter with injured cold but these are the three that John Keel heard about spoke to people about and investigated while learning about Moth Man and somehow found connections between them and was like this is something else what a cool role to have just like piecing all of this stuff together I imagine it was a very fun but also probably a bit scary

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job to do cuz you're knocking on doors of people you don't know and you're trying to investigate these stories can be dangerous and some people are I feel like we've been so lucky in that our community just feels like a community that's excited to just be together and be able to like discuss these things but we have heard from other people that are also in kind of like the ghost and paranormal world that it does lead to a lot of strange encounters with humans almost more so than with the Paranormal exactly I think humans can be scarier than the Paranormal yeah and this episode might prove that again okay so the first encounter predates the first Moth Man encounter um it was actually October 16th 1966 Martin munov and James Unitus were walking through their hometown of Elizabeth New Jersey and if anyone's phone into new Yark airport this is where like Elizabeth that's the town so it's very Industrial it's adjacent to Jersey City and like right across the

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water from Manhattan so it's very close so Martin and James were walking down the street and apparently they were walking very adjacent to the NJ turnpike so there was like an on and off ramp right there so it's kind of like a busy area but it's also not a heavy pedestrian area they were walking on October 16th 1966 to go play Pinball apparently oo fun you know normal day for them nothing strange it's a regular route for the boys they're like hey we could walk this blindfolded we know it so well but something odd happened something that they couldn't really describe but it was more of a feeling where everything shifted both of them noticed that there was like a almost like you feel like someone has eyes on you or no worse where you feel like you're being hunted you realize you are the prey in the situation oh that sent a chill down my spine Sabrina just like

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feeling like that CU I have felt like that too right yeah and it's worse when it's like even when you're with someone when it feels like you're alone on the street yeah remember that one time I texted you and I was like I swear I just walked past a serial killer or a sociopath the energy I got from him was horrifying I do remember that so scary Santa Monica watch out it's me I'm the one who negative energy no not right now I understand why my just worried about me inner monologue coming out it happens sometimes okay so they have this feeling and they both feel it immediately and that is when they notice on the other side of a fence that is like impossible for a human to have gotten on because it's like on the side of like the turnpike they see a man standing there staring at them grinning at them no thanks keep your

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smile to yourself and it is a smile that does not reach his eyes it is a way too wide inhuman grin ew I hate that just dead on top of being like this is what I'm supposed to do to make them feel comfortable and approachable just SM I can't even like I feel like I'm struggling to even do it it's hard to you're doing it well thank you look at you go you're so good good you're so good at being creepy congratulations so this smile does not reach his eyes the boy know that his eyes were in fact these Beady soulless little eyes that were too far apart from one another they were horrified and as they're simultaneously experiencing this fear and horror they are like we know something is wrong and it was really hard for them in the moment to really process what's happening right their instinct are telling them to run they're

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trying to process what's before them they're really focused on this smile but there are a couple other things that they do notice about this man they noticed his stature was large around 6 feet tall and he was wearing a strange jumpsuit that was reflective and tinted green and he was wearing a black belt but they kept going back to that grin what an outfit I know this feels like something that would have been in the movie Zenon G of the 21st Century you know one of the outfits worn on the on the ship like got the belt leather shiny leather ple green ple to go to the concert at the space station this man was accessorized well but so all this processing took seconds because they were like no we are not staying here any longer and they took off running for safety and apparently the grinning man ran after them but there are various stories like when you look at the internet some say it the man ran some say he did not because he was on the other side of the fence so I don't know yeah regardless they got away safely

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luckily and Martin and James reported their sighting to the police and even when separated their accounts were identical and guess what they were believed because they were not the only two people that day to report strange sightings of a man in a green suit lingering around Elizabeth New Jersey oh my gosh you know what can I just say I'm so glad people are actually reporting this to because I feel like there's just so many odd people and I feel like now kind of like the New York City area has the reputation where like you can dress however you want you can act however you want like there's always those videos that are like just another day on the New York City subway and it's like someone pretending to be a rat and another person like barking in the window like there's just things that are just accepted and everyone ignores it and you move on but the fact that this felt so wrong to multiple people that they called it in and it is probably one

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of the least bizarre things to actually be happening in that area sure but it's also so easy for someone to write that off and not think anything of it right like right that goes with most Cryptids or paranormal alien type of encounters like a lot of people are like it's easy to not believe and a lot of people are written off and tried to be and made to look mad or whatever it is yeah so they began calling this man the grinning man and I have a picture it's basically fake animated photo of what people imagine the grinning man look to look like the really wide smiled beady eyes kind of a larger head yeah I've totally seen so many drawings depicting that too it's creepy every time and in his research John Keel found that actually that very same night there were multiple low-level UFO sightings in Elizabeth New Jersey so he's putting together these pieces like we're putting together the conspiracy board you you know what I should turn this wall into a corkboard and we should

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just like pin up pictures you need to put the bookshelf on Wheels so that normal day it can be like this and then when the right people come in or when we're recording you turn the bookshelf and that's the back of it where it's like when we get to conspiracy hour that's such a good idea flip the board over we're mapping it out I love that so much we're never going to do [Laughter] it welcome to the podcast it's a miracle we've been podcasting for almost seven years so we do this we're committed to this okay we have a second

The derrenberger encounter

encounter now this second encounter with the grinning man who we will soon learn of his name took place not too long after the first one it was November 2nd 1966 so less than a month but this one is now in parkerburg West Virginia woodro AKA Woody Darren bger was a sewing machine salesman living in in Mineral Wells West Virginia his job

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required him to travel quite a lot and so he was no stranger to driving long stretches of Road through day night all types of weather he was used to it but what he encountered on the evening of November 2nd 1966 with nothing like he had endured or experienced before it was approximately 7:25 p.m. he was driving his truck down Route I77 from Marietta Ohio to his home in Mineral Springs he was going about 50 mph when all of a sudden he heard like kind of a sound of things falling in the back of his truck so he turns that light on that's like right overhead and turns to look behind his shoulder he notices that one of his sewing machines had fallen off of another one and caused the sound so he doesn't really think much of it but as he's doing this he notices another car pull up behind him turn on its blinker and go around him and as this car goes around him he has like this weird experience where he sees something behind that car that passes him but it has no light but it's just a weird

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object that causes him to do a double take he's like what is that this weird object starts to move around his own vehicle and it now is in front of his truck and it's massive and it starts to slow down to the point where woody also has to slow down and he's like how do what do I do like honestly his only Instinct right now is like how do I avoid void crashing into this thing whatever it is so right he pulls over to the side of the road hoping to like go around on the shoulder or something but this object stops blocking the entire highway but he can't make out exactly what this object is it's dark and it's big and all of a sudden a humanoid like figure emerges from it oh my God what if this happened to Sabrina when we were doing our drive down the Eastern

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Seaboard for our tour can you imagine that would have been kind of cool though instead we saw baby alligators and signs for lots of strip clubs that people were going to in the middle of the day yeah so this man emerged and I'm going to read a quote from Woody Darren Burger's book which I'm going to touch upon a lot more it's such a quick read and I highly recommend it for people if you want to read it I think you can also listen to it but it's called visitors from lanelos my contact with inred cold by Woody derrenberger so this is a quote after the man stepped from the object I noticed it Rose off the ground and hovered a distance from 50 to 100 ft above my truck the object so it like went up mhm both of my trucks headlights remained on as did the dome lights inside the cab this strange man walking in front of my truck I could see him very plainly in the Headlights he had a pleasant appearance and was about 5' 10 or 5' 11 in tall around 180

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lb his hair was very dark and thick and it was combed straight back over his head he seemed to have a very good tan and looked normal in every way so that was the quote and apparently he was normal but he was also wearing shiny green trousers and a black coat what year was this again cuz I'm just picturing grease I'm I'm picturing Danny from Greece like all the stiff back hair you know trying to be swave and tanned and it's 1966 H I'm sure this thing was just coping everyone around him that is a big theory is that because when we get to the end of all these encounters it is one of those things where it's like how did John Keel connect all of them and was it like did inred cold tell him that he was these three things m because there are a lot of discrepancies and a lot of differences but I think one piece

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that I was gathering is that as the encounters involved his appearance changed like he almost became better at appearing human so in the first encounter his head was a bit bigger his eyes were spread wider his smile was off this encounter he's almost had a month now he looks more traditionally human I'm also curious the people who originally reported on that day seeing him by the train tracks what did they look like were those the humans that he got close to and is like trying to steal parts of the appearances of everyone he's surrounded by oh interesting it's possible so this man this normal looking man creature being starts to communicate with Woody telepathically it or he told Woody to roll down his car window and while terrified Woody did it and this entity

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communicated that it wanted to talk to Woody and that Woody need not be scared he knew Woodrow's name he called him by name woodro derrenberger without Woody ever telling him what it was and then this man introduced himself as cold inred cold I like the name it's so cool I think so too he told Woody that he was a Searcher and that he wished him no harm only happiness he went on to information about where he came from and he basically asked questions of Woody he was like what are those lights over there and Woody was like well that's a city and I I can't remember the name of the local city that was there and inred told Woody that in his where he's from they call places like that Gatherings so a city is a gathering that's where people go and gather oh interesting he then tells Woody that he should report this encounter he is having and experiencing to the police and that inred would come back soon to help

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confirm the encounter for what purpose too it's like what does injured cold want that is the whole thing I it's wild it's giving me a rival oh and it is a probably 100 plus page book The encounters that Woody had I think Woody contacted inred cold throughout his entire life after this experience he had multiple encounters I'm going to share the major one ones with you okay so

Interview and investigation

despite the horror there was something in Woody that felt like he could trust this creature mhm so inred tells Woody he had to go now but that they would meet again soon inred returned to his ship closed the door and Woody noted that as the door was closing there was another like humanoid figure silhouette that he could see help close the door so inred is not alone they closed the door and the ship Rose straight up making a soft fluttering sound and was gone Woody was in complete shock that when he returned home to his wife and his wife

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saw the look on his face his wife goes were you in an accident that killed someone like truly she thought someone had died and Woody was somehow like connected to someone's death that's how horrified his face was his face yeah I'm also so curious what okay so the thought was injured not alone on the ship I want to know what the other beings look like because it sounds like injured is morphing and trying to become something that can easily communicate without instilling too much fear with humans what do the other guys on the ship look like well you might find out oh okay so wood he tells his wife everything that happened and then as inred had instructed him he decides to report it to the police and like we were just talking about a lot of people in these situations are like ignored or like called crazy just kind of whatever but two other people had reported similar encounters on that same high highway from that night as well and then as John

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Keel did this Research into this he found that actually three people way more than these two that reported it actually encountered so three people encountered inured cold or different Searchers as inured cold was a Searcher on that same highway from that night as well it was on November 2nd 1966 so shortly after Woody had encountered it a family was driving on the same stretch of road a mom son and daughter had seen the ship right near where woody had been stopped so the family stopped their car and watched the ship for 5 whole minutes before it just disappeared so they saw it ahead and then they stopped before they interacted with it and just that's smart at this point it was hovering above the road higher up rather than down below later a young man driving the same stretch of road had the experience of the ship literally hovering over his car shining a really bright white light over him and he left as quickly as possible then called the police two other truck drivers were stopped that night but neither of them wanted to give their names and the next day Woody

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couldn't help but hyper fixate on the encounter he recalled that the ship was huge it was 45 to 60 ft long it was 20 or so feet tall and resembled an oldfashioned kerosene lamp chimney so kind of the the way that it like goes it's like smaller in the bottom goes out and then in again mhm okay so like a spaceship or UFO craft that we've seen before yeah it was dark gray had no lights and the only sound it made was a soft fluttering like hummingbird Wings very quickly people start to learn of this encounter and wood he was asked to speak of it on WTAP TV in parkerburg and by 2:30 p.m. on November 3rd which is the day after his encounter he is at the station and is being greeted by basically the amount of people who come to the TV station to interact with Wy and hear his story is wild there City police State Police an Air Force Sergeant like there are a lot of big wig

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people who were like we need to talk to this man right which means that they were alerted of enough activity or at least of the seriousness of what he's encounter that it did seem like something that everyone well H yeah this is just I love when this stuff happen but also I feel like it's just more proof it's like if all of these government agencies are also here and Military you know then it gets even Wilder it also means that they don't know much either because otherwise wouldn't you think that they would try to be like it's nothing and then privately talk to him but well to keep in mind how many people experienced something that night with these Searchers or with inred cold right maybe like the New Jersey experience like they're like oh it's nothing but now here in West Virginia when so many people are encountering it and Woody Darren bger had such a intense encounter where they communicated I think now it's like oh you kind of have to get and

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maybe that the way that it communicated with Woody is a new thing for them so they do need to know more yes I'm going to play a clip for you okay so this is a clip from the interview of Woody on WTAP that next day so it's literally Very Fresh on his mind yeah less than 24 hours later basically you can listen to the entire audio online we can post that this is just like a 20 second clip great so I'll play the audio for you and uh again he told me not to be frightened which I was I was I was very frightened and as far as I can understand this was all mental there was no spoken words from him I knew what he was asking me but yet he stood there and his mouth did not move he had a smile on his face he was prepar appear very courteous and friendly and after I talked with him a

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while he told me he would see me he said we will see you again and he left in his theck so in this clip he also says that inred tells him they will meet again soon well how soon Woody did not know but only two days later he had his second encounter with inred cold my gosh it's also hard cuz it's like injured cold is obviously not a human so what is soon to them like do they understand like could it be 50 years and it feels like the next day to them two days that's great so November 2nd at 7:25 p.m. is when his first encounter happens November 3rd he's on the news he's being interviewed he's spoken to police he speaks to all of these like Army people yeah and also can I just say how incredible that it does feel like everyone's really receptive to what he's saying and they believe him because so many times well oh spoke too soon it's sad because these

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encounters are kind of incredible but it also did ruin Woody's life because anyway we'll get to that in a second but okay so now on November 4th

Telepathic communication

Woody has his second encounter with the man or creature who calls himself inured cold and in the book Woody calls him Mr cold so it's very like formal but this time Woody was not alone this time Woody is driving in his truck with a friend in the passenger seat as they're driving both men suddenly start to feel like a weird tingling in their head Woody recalls that the first night of their encounter or his encounter with injured cold he experienced that same tingling when inred began to telepathically communicate with him so he's driving in the car with a friend they both start to experience this tingling in their heads and all of a sudden Woody hears in's voice voice inside his head apparently the friend in the passenger seat only

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experienced the like light headedness but oh so it was like a bioxy right situation for him he was just in the proximity of the encounter but it wasn't meant for him clearly because he didn't hear anything out loud right so inred tells Woody that he should slow down and drive carefully but then he informs Woody that his ship is flying directly high above Woody's truck which I think is really funny that inur is choos to like it's almost like Bluetooth Telephone call you know like while you're in the car cuz also this conversation that is about to occur between the two of them I'm like why does this have to happen right now while driving and also I think it's ironic that inred is telling W to drive more carefully but he's the one who's like telepathically communicating with him and distracting him yeah he couldn't wait he was like I got to use this new walkie-talkie feature on the ship where I can just tap into this guy's brain there should be a new in addition to not texting and driving there should be no telepathic Communication in driving

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because I feel like that is Justice distraction he starts communicating with inred through telepathic communication and inred tells Woody all about where he's from it's almost like a therapy session that Woody didn't realize he was hosting right this is so bizarre which again it's like what are injured intentions other than just being seen and having someone to talk to right I don't understand it one thing that was never clear is like what is the role necessarily of a Searcher what I think it is is that a Searcher from the planet that injured is from which I'll tell you about in a second is to search for humans that they could share their message with to hopefully help earth live out that message which is very much like a rival right like the universal language and yeah so he tells Woody that he's from a planet called lanulos that was located close to the Galaxy ganam and that the planet was practically the same as Earth there were Woods Fields

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oceans streams and similar animals and plants but also many different animals and plants M their planet has three seasons not four and their people have a life expectancy of 125 to 175 Earth years so it doesn't feel that different like it does feel like we could develop into that direction well you'll hear more in a second well especially with global warming we might have three seasons soon too Winter's winter beone or we might need to move to lanelos but yeah pick us up andred is using a lot of like Earth language to help Woody understand it mhm so inred tells Woody that he's married too he has a wife whose name is key and they had two sons one was eight and the other one was 11 so cute so they're basically babies cuz if they live till they're like 175 8 years old is so they've got I I wonder how quickly they develop too like what is eight I'm picturing an eight-year-old human but like is eight actually like a

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six-month-old child no I mean because it's not that drastic of a difference like our life expectancy yeah it's on 125 but people live to 100 you know like but is he human or is he a different species you know I don't know what type of species they are but but I think they're of human origin a hybrid they might be hybrid or they've just evolved because of the landscape that they live on so Indra tells Wy all this information and then is like okay I got to go now thanks for listening I'mma break communication and I might feel weird for a second and so he like warns Woody the communication is going to be broken communication is broken Woody doesn't really feel weird cuz he feels exhilarated he's like what is happening this is wild also can I just say I picture because it sounds like his planet is so lovely and he just came here to give a message and obviously they have the power and ability to move either through portals or bend time because they're not even

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from this galaxy so the travel difficulties would be extreme for us and actually impossible in our current moment in time but it does make me wonder that they had access to like all periods of human existence but the injured cold only had two movies on DVD and it was Zoolander and Greece and that's why he wore what he did he was like got to show up high fashion High fashion on planet Earth fash it's a good question and If We Ever Meet inured cold I'm curious what movie he's watching now and we'll have to show him like I don't know what should we show him what's our movie that we show him a Planet of the Apes I don't know I like that that's your choice I was like thinking Mean Girls me that would be such a good one I know you think that we have these really big problems in the world but when we're 13 this is really the peak issue the biggest problem yeah okay so what he's like exhilarated his

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friend sitting in the passenger seat this this tingling in his head now goes away and he's like what the heck just happened what he can hardly explain what happened and he's also so confused that he's not sure how to tell anyone so he doesn't report this incident but he does report it to the National investigations committee on aerial phenomena in Washington DC so on November 3rd remember he was on the new news that News segment gets picked up to national news and it becomes such a sensation and what darrenb is just like this normal guy in West Virginia and all of a sudden people are like camping outside of his home people are calling him nonstop his life completely changes he can hardly go do his job and sell sewing machines because everyone knows his face and everyone knows his connection now to this Alien Encounter I mean this is reminding me of the past Kula alien abduction where the two people who were

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abducted one person's life felt like it was ruined for 20 years and the other person just allowed everyone to think think whatever of him but he just continued to like there's two different reactions to having that energy people either double down or they try to run from it because it's extremely uncomfortable and you didn't you didn't ask for this yeah wood he was somewhere in between and I think in the beginning he was so confused by it that he was just like I don't really know what this is and he truly ever since that first night of November 2nd UFOs seemed to follow him which was another reason that people kept camping out at his house cuz they were hoping to catch sight of UFOs people would come and like ask him to go UFO sighting hunting with them but it got to the point where men were literally coming to his house with shotguns and sitting in his trees in his backyard to try to shoot a UFO out of this guy so I think at this point they

Intense interrogation

had yeah they had two kids a 7-year-old son Charles and a 3-year-old daughter

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and these two kids are now I mean they all of their lives are being changed but their seven-year-old is being bullied at school both kids start having terrible nightmares they're always anxious because there's all these strangers just like parked outside of their house and it got to a point where Woody and his wife were like we need to do something we need to call the police they called the police but there was only so much the police could do they literally had to move multiple times cuz people just kept finding them yeah and it completely altered their lives by 1970 tensions within the family were so fraught that Woody and his wife had to or ended up getting a divorce it's terrible also it makes me question the people who are doing this it's like after hearing this story what part of you thinks that you can just easily sneak up on this ship and this person and shoot them right people don't care about the people they care about like their own story right yeah so the the book goes into a lot more detail about the multitude of encounters that

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Woody has had but I'm going to share a couple that I think are pertinent to understanding inured cold and then also I do think it's important to note that following the events Woody was interrogated so heavily he went through intense investigations both like there were heads of government that interrogated him the head of NASA John Keel Etc Etc like there's in one of the chapters he talks about how for five days he was interrogated 5 days straight wow well my question for him and I don't know if you saw this in the research but was this mostly conversation where he was just being told things and accepting them or was he asking questions in return and getting answers no he was being asked the questions and he does make sorry I mean with him and injured cold like did he have actual answers and Intel to share with other people yes or was he just repeating everything inred told him

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because it's like how did they get there how did they travel there like I If I Were NASA I would want those things answered yes I will answer some of that because there like I said there's so many encounters and there's a lot more that happens with Woody and inred but basically the five-day interrogation that he talks about in the book wood he recalls that so all the people who were interrogating him were asking questions like basically asking every question you're just asking trying to figure out everything and make sure that Woody was not withholding anything so when Woody was telling them about the story inred was like oh I'm from the planet lanelos which is near this galaxy gamed he registered that the people interrogating him knew of lolos he picked up on this like weird behavior on the people who were interrogating him and he was like I think they know this information already like I don't think this is new information this makes me question what part did they know like did they already have Intel from other

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encounters that had mentioned lalos or was injured cold using the words that like we had already associated with certain galaxies and planets and so maybe that was like recently discovered and named or something and everyone's like holy [ __ ] that's the hard thing about I mean all alien encounters is that we don't know what the government knows we're never going to know what the government knows cuz they're playing it close to their chest but what I found interesting is that in Woody's book so basically these people who were interrogating and interviewing Woody did every test possible to like get him like a clear bill of mental health and like Health just basically they were trying to make sure this was not a Croc of [ __ ] he went through so many tests he had like a psychiatrist from the government come test him he passed everything but for some reason like in the files there are certain documents that the government refused to put in the files

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so in the book you can see he has all the doctor's notes and like documented like medical bills and things that he went through for proving that he was sane in the back of the book and multiple people who he encountered who interrogated him or like did medical tests on him had then had encounters with injured cold what in the world it's almost like they were trying to discredit him you know like they want and I understand if you're the government you probably get so many fake reports that you do want to go through all of this effort to make sure you're getting an accurate account well and maybe it's really scary too if you get so close to the truth and you're realizing that someone else is learning things that are supposed to be top secret maybe it's like a big effort to discredit him for that reason right because it's like oh [ __ ] this isn't something that's just like a random random alien abduction or someone

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communicating with an alien once or twice like this is someone who's getting some legit Intel yeah and to me it makes sense that like the government gets all this information they understand that Woody is telling legit stuff but they almost want to discredit him to the public eye yeah Woody trust no one except for inred except for inred okay

Visiting the ship

so this is the point of the story and keep in mind this is only like the second encounter I mean it's the most thorough encounter that anyone has had with injured cold but there's like three main ones considered main ones and this is beautiful because Woody and inred become like the best of friends so so cute the third encounter that Woody has with inred Woody is coming home late from work and he this is also before he left Mineral Springs so he's still in West Virginia he's still married with his kids he comes home late from work and finds inred with a friend Carl with

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a K sitting waiting for him on their back porch is Carl human or is Carl like inred Carl is like inred and I'm not sure I think they both look very similar I'm not sure but but different so like similar to how you humans are like similar shapes whatever but we're all features are different during this visit inred and Carl and it's it just to me it's a very like philosophical like let's smoke cigars on the back porch and talk about life conversation right and's like I don't understand the concept of hate Woody will you explain it to us so like wood he tries to explain it and injured is like in our planet hate doesn't exist there's only the concept of like love and appreciation and that there's no discrimination they tell Woody that they're very similar to humans but have spent more time studying space and learning how to conquer gravity been distance time and space and they just swap stories and it seemed like inred

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was trying to understand Earth and humans while also sharing about his people and his planet and they end up having this whole conversation where in's like I really believe that if humans on Earth had the ability to telepathically communicate all of hate would be gone because then you would understand the feelings and the thoughts and the emotions that everyone is experiencing and everyone would love one another better and more and then inred tells Woody the origin story of lanelos and how it became populated o this is a legend that exists on the planet lanulos as the story goes there was a spaceship from Earth apparently that crash landed on lanelos and this is one of those things where it's like what time period is it because clearly like we today on Earth don't have the ability to space travel that far so is it something that happens so far in the future but when it travels through space

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it ends up like going back in time yeah or I mean did it even happen like a few thousand years ago or however long ago and then something happens where we reset as a planet I the big bang I don't know yeah anyway so the spacecraft from Earth apparently crash landed on lanulos and the space ship broke and all of the men and women who were on the ship tried to repair the ship they worked for years and years and eventually became so angered with one another that they couldn't fix it that they all gave up and they started like to spread out and start their own civilizations and they were all like I'm going to start like a society over here and I'm going to start with Society over here but because of that they ended up isolating themselves so much and one day one of these men who had gone off by himself was feeling so lonely and so sad and feeling silly about about how they all split up and left that ship unattended and basically decided to go on their own ways and he

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noticed that he could hear someone else's thoughts but they were echoing his own thoughts and they were the thoughts of another man who had gone and done like who had split off from the ship who was also just as lonely and just as sad and feeling just as isolated and it brought all these people back together and they realized that their sadness and loneliness allowed them to open up a telepathic communic with one another and they were able to perfect this telepathy and there's a whole lot of information in the book about how it works and it's not like a oh I can just read your mind no matter what whenever it's like an allow one another to read each other's minds right yeah because we don't want this to be like a Twilight vampire situation where sure you know your dirty little random secret thoughts are being exposed right but then also if everyone has access to each other's secret thoughts then we won't feel embarrassed about our secret thoughts right cuz then you realize you're not alone and everyone else has them too anyway so because of this it brought

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this community back together and they decided to form one people and lanulos then began to thrive and it built like this whole earth like you know Earth version on the planet and also in the book If you would like inred did describe in detail like the government structure of lanelos and all of that but I didn't want to get to much into that cuz I wanted to focus on inred and inred cold okay so then at the end of this

Meeting the alien family

third encounter when they're all like pontificating life on Earth and lalos inred and Carl are it's I think it's like 2:00 in the morning and they're like okay like I think it's time to call it a night we're going to head back to our ship and inred goes Woody would you like to come see our ship what an honor yes of course I would and Woody was a little too nervous so he said no this time but two days later when Woody returns home late from work he finds inred and

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Carl again waiting for him and this time at the end of their conversation when inred invites him on the ship Woody says yes also are is Woody's family are they also seeing these guys like are they meeting them so they were encountering I don't think to the same extent but they were having experiences I think his kids were a bit afraid of everything because they were so young yeah because I mean like these they're out until 2: a.m. on the porch like is everyone else just inside yeah I think everyone else is inside and I think all of these conversations are happening telepathically so no one else can hear it they're just sitting there silently yeah fascinating so Woody is invited onto the ship and inred and Carl show him around the entire thing again if you want more details of the ship you can I'm but this story is my favorite so it's kind of like the wrapping up I think there was one part of the ship that Woody was not allowed to see but they take him to this one room and Woody steps Inside by himself and he's

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like looking around and he sees this like panel with a bunch of lights and he like goes to look at the lights and all of a sudden the door slams shut behind him and he's trapped in this room and he's freaking out he's panicking he's like oh my gosh am I a fool did I just get conned did injured and Carl like butter me up and like this was all part of their plan to lure me in and trap me yeah gain his trust and then abduct him and so he starts like banging he's like please like open the door open the door and ined and Carl immediately open the door and they're kind of looking at him like whoa what's going on Woody and Woody goes oh you're going to take me whether I want it or not and inred starts laughing and he goes I mean no not unless you want me to well cuz also they had all the opportunity and all the power to take him before so why put in all that effort like that would just be cruel to put in all that effort effort to like gain his trust and stuff just to do what they could have done from the GetGo but it is scary I mean the door

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being slam shut so Woody goes like why did you close the door on me and in's like I didn't shut it Woody you did and Woody's like no I didn't and injured says touch that blue plate again what he does and the door slams shut oh my gosh it's like when you try to lean against a wall and you turn the light switch off on accident he did to himself and when he has this realization Woody inred and Carl all burst into laughter like the three of them are cackling BFFs having a great time in future encounters inred took Woody on flights they literally got in the ship and flew apparently they took him to visit the Amazon they also this is interesting there were a bunch of places where and it goes into more detail in the book but they took him to like over European cities and the next day Woody will would see in the news or like I don't know how

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he would find this information but there would be reports of UFOs in those cities that he was taken with injured in the ship and it was just Woody and his buddies is going for a cruise literally oh my God that's incredible oh man did they ever leave Earth he even goes to the planet lanelos there we go how long did it take what was the journey like where how did they get there where did they go was he conscious the whole time I have so many questions I think it happens so quickly I think they really are able to bend time and space like in my understanding of it it's like a day trip like it's not he's not gone for months and months that is so wild there's a whole chapter in the book where he goes in detail about like description of what lalos looks like but he basically talks about how he eats food there they also went to there's like a docking station apparently on the surface of the or in the like Moon

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somewhere he went to Saturn so many other things and then in May of 1967 so remember all of this started in November of 1966 so may of 1967 he goes to lanulos again and this time he meets indra's wife and children oh my God so in this span inred and his wife kimy had actually had a daughter so now there's this newborn baby here at the house and Woody is meeting all of them this is a friendship like they're just friends he's going and visiting his his buddy yes so throughout the years wood he felt a desire like he truly because of everything that was happening on Earth in Woody's life because people like didn't you know his own human Earth life was kind of being torn apart him and his wife were having trouble his job was suffering he had a file for bankruptcy like his human life was not going well he he had a desire to move to

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lanelos and he even like asked inred if he could come and inred ultimately was like our purpose was to share our message with you to try to help you have like spread it on Earth and Woody raised his kids like tried to raise his kids with this like one love no discrimination mhm empathetic viewpoint but it was really hard for him because he was struggling quite a lot in his life and I think he just wanted to be accepted and when he went to lalos he felt what he wanted you know so it was this desire to go there but I do wonder if there was ever conversation in lalos or on lanelos about basically abducting is not the right word because I think it would still they're a type of people that they would want volunteers but like to come to Earth and be like will'll take a quarter of the population and bring them to lalos for some time to

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learn our ways and like have that love basically like can you have an internship on lalos and they just like do it and eventually they grab everyone and put us all back on Earth and then we all like that solves everything like instead of going to college we go to lalos yeah everyone goes to lalos I feel like you everyone should spend like like their first 5 years of life in lalos I feel like it would make sense because then it's like eventually the entire population of Earth will have either been to lalos or raised by someone who's been to lalos and so it will just be you know that's peace on Earth we are lelos now now I want to go to lalos right where's the program inid take me inid we have a pitch for you okay so basically that is Woody I'm and there's more encounters that Woody has with inred but that is the insulation Woody's experience Woody Darren burgers and so now I'm sure

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you're wondering what the heck does this have to do with Moth Man what does this have to do with the first encounter and John Keel well these are very good questions I do want to get back into that but first there is an entire chapter in Woody Darren Burger's book that is called funny things and it is just funny encounters that he had with inred with the people of Lanos or people on Earth regarding his experiences on lalos so it's nothing that really pushes The Narrative forward that inred was trying to create but it's just like notable funny funny things yeah anecdotes so I'm going to read one of

Conspiracies and rumors

the encounters cuz I just think it's silly and then I am going to read basically all of them on the there's a episode on patreon that I'm doing all about alien inventions and I'm just going to like read all the rest of them on that I love this so this is an example of how rumors and things get started and how people get discredited

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and so Woody's story and his interaction with injured cold and the people of lalos became national news and somehow a rumor began that on the planet lalos men got pregnant not women and somehow that evolved into people thinking that Woody was pregnant he would get calls he would get letters he would have people show up at his door asking him about his pregnancy when he was at lalos like when he was on that planet or on planet Earth that he basically was impregnated when he was on lalos and came back to Earth and was pregnant and would deliver a baby okay okay so for the most part what would be like where are you getting this information from this is not true I am not pregnant that is not not the case women have children it's the same but there was one time he was like at a grocery store and a woman kind of like

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comes up to him very bashfully and she's like I have a question but I'm kind of embarrassed to ask it and he's like no no no like please ask it and so she goes is it really true that you're pregnant and what he decides to say yes ma'am she's like you're kidding how will it be delivered and he says well well I don't know they just told me that when it's time they would take me to Lanos for delivery and he truly played off this whole conversation never told her he was kidding she left fully believing he was pregnant and would be taken to L to have a baby if you get asked so many times I feel like you do just end up you're like whatever I'm just going to [ __ ] with a few people here but like I said this experience did not make life easy for Woody there are a lot of critics a lot of interrogations and a lot of people who even made death threats to him and his family horrifying John keel seemed to be the one man with an interest of trying to understand rather than prove criticize or disprove it was more of like a let's learn about

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this information and figure it out and so together John Keel and Woody derenberger actually found other people who had said that they had been to lanulos they went around they would interview these people to try to understand and there was one man who had said he had been to the planet where Mr cold came from and he could detail things about the ship and about the planet that Woody had never told anyone so there were some encounters that they had with other people who they're like oh it's very possible there are other Searchers out there because inred cold is one of many that are befriending other humans and taking them to their but Keel was very curious about the evolution of inured cold and again his connection to Mothman because simultaneously he's learning about all these Moth Man things this is all happening within the the time frame of October 1966 to December of 1967 when the bridge collapses so as

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he's having these encounters he gets in contact with inred cold who starts to tell him about a tragedy that's going to occur and he's kind of giving him These Warnings yeah there was one moment where inred cold telepathically is like to prove that he could communicate telepathically and like read people's minds I think John ke goes like what's in my pocket and he's able to like ined cold is able able to say exactly what's in his pocket and answer all of these things that John Keel has never told people but so this is how it starts to

Mothman connection

get connected to Moth Man and it seems like his appearance is transitioning kind of like we said with the first encounter in New Jersey he's looks different and with Woody Darren Burger he's a little bit more normal his smile is more human in appearance and then more and more theories of inured Cole start to come about there is a third sighting of injured cold that occurred in Point Pleasant West Virginia which is the same place as The Moth Man sightings

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and there is a family called the lily family and they were experiencing what they thought was a poltergeist Spirit there were a lot of lights turning on and off things would move and the youngest daughter Linda started to see a man with broad shoulders and a grinning face standing over her bed staring at her I have no idea how John Keel pieced it together that this encounter that the lily family was experiencing was inred cold or a person from lalos MH but he did and I don't know if that's because inred cold told him that or what it makes me a question are all of the like grinning man encounters and stories are people from lalos well this brings up a bigger question because it's like these three encounters that I've shared the New Jersey the Woody Darren bger and the lily family are considered the main three encounters with inred cold Woody

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Daren Burgers is obviously the most elaborate in the most experiences that have occurred with injured cold but there are a lot more stories from all over the world with seemingly insignificant details that John Keel has kind of put together to connect to inured cold but there's also this like theory that perhaps they've been on our planet for forever and and have been visiting if time is not continuous if we don't understand it that they've actually been visiting us and communicating with us in these ways for a really long time we've been talking recently about how the Fay have kind of been confused with aliens and they have very similar attributes and over time what used to be considered a fay encounter is now called an Alien Encounter are they one and the same it is very confusing very hard to tell right and our aliens actually us from the future like there's so many different theories it's not just alien creature from another planet anymore

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right so John Keel actually when he was doing this research found a book written by a man in 1866 this is a 100 years before the inured cold encounters with Woody Daren bger and everyone 1866 a man named William Denton from Massachusetts wrote a book all about his own encounters and it is almost a mirror image of everything that Woody Darren Burger experienced a hundred years later stop I got chills again like all over my body I know and then Woody Daren Burger's first experience happens on November 2nd 1966 I think it's like a month prior to this a group of people in Mexico were contacted by an alien or an alien species and were claimed to be taken to a place in the ganam Galaxy Woody had never heard of this encounter so it's another like lalos is in the gamed

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Galaxy are there multiple Lalo Searchers all over the world taking people to their Planet kind of like you're saying Karen I feel like they need to take more of us because this is frustrating to hear that it's been happening for hundreds of years if not more and it doesn't feel like we've had much growth it feels like all of the things that you would think would have been corrected over time like history just repeats itself in in a different way and we're still it kind of feels like we're still where we were but also think about it lelos has no obligation to do this for us it's not their job to teach us to be better people it sounds like they've allocated a small amount of Searchers it's hard I want to say people but they're not people I guess they're Searchers to go to Earth to try to help with this Mission but it's not their priority it's not their only thing they are also living their own lives and who knows what else is going on on their

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planet right and even if we think about our own Planet if we think about like people who work with energy and you know Reiki and all of these things that we like Amazed by them being able to tap into it it's still so few and far between when you find those people it's not like everyone's like yes let's go in this direction and dedicate ourselves towards this type of future of understanding yeah so yeah you're right I get it I still want but you want it yeah I want it so injured cold became the name of this being in lore and Legend on Earth but inred cold is one individual from lanelos and I think a lot of these encounters that are existing all over the place aren't just inred and that there are many other Searchers who are responsible for these encounters yeah over time people have theorized that their presence is not negative but that they're trying to impart their knowledge and then some people are like are they trying to actually help us it's still

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very unclear how exactly they're connected to moth man but the only connection that I am able to draw is that inred cold was communicating to John Keel the warning of something happening and the bridge in Point Pleasant West Virginia collapsed on the day that inred cold warned of like the blackout so maybe he was just miscommunicated or misunderstanding The Moth Man sightings I don't necessarily know right it's still like well who is Moth Man to the people of lalos like how do they understand this being this creature I don't know I also haven't read Moth Man prophecies so it might get into more detail of that in there but there are some conspiracies and there's a theory that injured cold is actually a real human who works with some spies and okay this is the conspiracy that I I honestly even if you gave me a tin foil hat it would take me a really long time to get on

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board with it yeah there are three so there's inred cold there's Carl and there's like one other being that I think Woody encountered or people who have encountered inred cold type of beings and there's like this massive conspiracy that like inred cold is actually this other person who spent years at like the Pentagon and then like that one of the other people's actually like an old Nazi who was brought to the US and like lived a different life and anyway I I could not it's like a blip in the back of the pages of the Woody Daren bger book so I was like I I don't even want to venture into this yet because I don't know that I have the capacity and there's no room in this episode so there are a lot of conspiracies my main takeaway or my main belief is that inred cold is a being from the planet lanelos who has come here to Earth along with many other Searchers I don't know how

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many but he's not the only one and has tried to communicate with humans to impart upon them their knowledge of acceptance and of love and that they're trying to help us I am curious too because so it sounds like there was whether it was injured or another Searcher who had BAS Al abducted or like told all of the things similar things to that group in Mexico it sounds like they were trying to adapt and being like okay well when we have this communication with one person it doesn't always hit it doesn't always do anything because then people they go against this one person so let's try it again with a group and maybe people will believe in the group and so I am curious about like how people responded to the group it's just one of those things where it's like will we never truly accept what is in front of us because it just it Alters our our reality and so even if there's 500 people who experienced something all at once because you yourself didn't there's so many people like that who will be

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like well I don't believe that I don't want to think about that those people are making this up I mean think about it today this is my only comparison I can do for the longest time people thought Earth was flat when we finally discovered it is not it was a very very long proess for people to believe that it was round and even to this day there are flat Earth so like yeah even if we had scientific proof of the existence of people from lalos if every single person could see them I guarantee there would still be people who didn't believe it right it's kind of like crop circles like we grew up with the mystery of crop circles I really want to do an episode on it I will one day but in reality there's like two guys who were responsible for almost all of the crop circles all of them I know it was a prank but we all fell for

Men in black visit

it I'm just going to conclude this episode with a couple sentiments so sadly what he's encountered did kind of

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ruin his life in some regards he went into bankruptcy people refused to believe him and Men In Black apparently harassed him so I think of was to discredit him a little bit and he died in 1990 at 74 years old his daughter ended up publishing his book for him so again if you want to read it I highly recommend it it is also really fun quick read it is called visitors from lanelos my contact with inred cold by Woody derrenberger and there are a lot of documents provided in the appendix of Woody's book that detail his clean bill of health and some pieces of information that government agencies chose not to include in their files including a I think it's like a there's like the universal alphabet or something like that and if you want to learn more about those wild conspiracies you are welcome it's also in the appendix oh Intergalactic alphabet whoa I'm going to memorize that it kind of looks like webdings it is a

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little bit anyway that is the story of injured cold it is very confusing it is very complicated I don't fully understand how he's connected to Moth Man Who Moth Man is to the people of lanelos but it does seem like there is a connection and it does seem like the people of lanelos very much have been present here on Earth for many years right and I feel like we we have so much access to what happens here in America and what's written down in America and I do wonder if there's another injured cold in some other cultures that we just haven't heard about you know like it hasn't been connected to this right yet especially the fact that inred cold communicated with Woody in a way that Woody would understand which means that these Searchers from lanelos have the ability to communicate with whoever they're speaking with in a way that will help them process and understand it so if they're in a different society

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different civilization that maybe views things differently their interpretation of it and their retelling of it might seem different from the Woody derrenberger experience based on the way they live their lives at the time of recording this I'm only like 50 pages into acatar but I will say that the way anos is described I know that they're like it's similar to Earth and blah blah blah but I do picture it as this like perfect way more Lush and beautiful yes and so I do picture like those Rolling Green Hills and it's always like you know plants are always buding and flowering and it's perfect and lovely and beautiful but that's in Spring isn't like in acatar there's like every land has like a different season it's not like each land I don't know that yet cuz I'm only 50 pages in we just got there oh but you did get there okay yeah so that's my only perspective but I do think injured

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children are probably going to have the best life ever sounds like everyone there does yeah well I wonder if they've taken over the family business and if any of them are Searchers now I'm curious to on this planet because it sounds like they all have jobs or some sort of government structure there's a lot of things that you know starting out as humans they've kind of taken into their own culture as they've developed over time but I am curious if there are any things that they don't like you know they seem so understanding but it's like what's the drama on lanelos what's the job nobody wants is there one person where they're all like oh my God that's the one kind of like Outcast of lalos interesting what are they like see it's so it's so sad because that is such our human perspective but what if like there truly is a place where just that is not even a concept it could be imperfect in other ways like they could have issues that they need to deal with but it's not at the expense of another person but I want to know what those issues are you

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know and like do they look at them as a perspective of like like is there any sense of dread where it's like oh this is a problem that we haven't fixed or is it just so matter of fact that there's no emotion because there has to be some sort of like oh God I don't know cuz that's our human way of processing but we because we don't know yeah but if it's all love and rainbows and but butterflies do you even experience it as being love and rainbows and butterflies if you never have the other emotions well I don't think it's love rainbows and butterflies I think it's just like understanding so can't they understand that they don't like something what do they I need know what they don't like are they allergic to anything like do you have allergies that's a question cuz I wouldn't like that oh that's a good question I bet there's allergies I bet there's allergies okay so I I will will say if any of you do come in contact with people from lanelos and you are introduced to someone named Conrad cold Connor cold or Camilla cold those

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are the kids of injured cold ooh I do like the name Camilla might steal that if I have a girl named after injured kids it's spelled k i m i l a cuz the injured wife's name was Kimi so it's Kima kimila so cute mhm wow I'm just fascinated with lalos now you should read the book I highly re like it it's a really fun read I will I also feel like so many other planets that we hear of alien species or just like other galaxies and planets I feel like they all have really cool funky names do they think the Earth is a really cool funky name like do they think we have a cool name the Milky Way galaxy like do they think that's cool or are they like wow they're bad at naming things well it's also interesting because gamed galaxy is the name that we've given it like the fact that they honor that as well do they or do they have a different name

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for it and do they have a different name for Earth or do they call it Earth because we call it Earth well I guess it's like if we think about planet Earth as it is today like there's certain countries that we as English speakers call a certain name but it's not that in their own country that's true which is so dumb if you think about it why do we have an English word for a name of a place yeah the place should be the place like let's all just learn how to pronounce the places until we get to uh New Zealand and then it's then it's real tough what is it it in their language oh my gosh the mauy language is so interesting it'll it'll be like 15 syllables long I struggled while I was there but I freaking love that culture so much I've never been I would love to go if I haven't already lived a life as a mouy person then I hope in my next life I get to okay I hope so too or would you rather that or lalos they're so similar

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um either I want both so and I think I'll live a few more lives whichever one comes first I'm down okay you won't be picky okay I have a short one but I'm actually glad that I picked this email because it does remind me of like the very first part of this episode that you shared because this is called encounter with Men In Black oh hello guys my my name is Bren and since I've talked to you guys once before back on your Discord server after you guys got done with your campfire stories live stream I do remember telling you guys about my alien abduction stories and alien encounters but that was way back in 2021 this happened back in my small town that I still live in somewhere in Texas I was mostly aware of seeing a lot of these UFO activities back in this town because it wasn't out of the normal to see UFOs randomly show up once in a blue moon but things were starting to get really really bad when I was still a teenager and a lot of Supernatural stuff would only happen around me and no one else so a few months later on I was experiencing an

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alien abduction every once in a while and it was a really horrifying experience I would wake up the next day with physical implants on my thumb after seeing what what had happened to me that's so wild too because it like we've talked about like the theory of abductions actually being your astral body but there's a physical Mark here feel like it you were abducted in a dream here but but it physically happened this is where things get even weirder since one morning I remember waking up after hearing the doorbell go off at my house so I get up from my bed and I head to the kitchen and there I look outside of the window I saw this oldfashioned black car that looked like maybe it was from the '90s or the ' 80s it was pretty old but it did look very clean and I remember opening the door and there were these two men standing outside they were very emotionless and had straight serious faces and they were wearing black and white suits and black hats they wanted me to come with them

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since I needed to talk to them alone and I had a feeling that this would happen to me that someone would show up and ask me questions about all of the UFO activities that I was experiencing I did go with them and after I got done talking with them they told me not to tell anyone what I saw or what they told me Bren why are you telling us Bren I think you're this is risky business so after that day I did stay quiet about it but I do have a few more stories and I can share those with you guys yes please from Bren Bren is telling us everything and nothing all at once it's like I know we don't actually get the details I get that that's scary we just know that Bren was abducted had proof men and black came I feel like we need to meet in person so Bren doesn't have to like write it all down I know I'm so curious brenon tell us your small town we'll be there we'll show up was ladies in white and will'll defeat the Men in Black that would be so interesting I feel like that would really confuse them

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maybe enough that like maybe they would think we're a ghost and they would be like oh don't worry about those people they've already passed on and then we get to listen in the whole time they already know what's going on sorry can you repeat that I didn't hear that can you put subtitles on there was a piece in the Woody derenberger book that talks about how I guess inred cold had indicated a different type of alien species that were responsible for like the Betty and Barney Hill abduction and some of the more like probing like abductions that are different from yeah some of the ones that are really scary right and there's not a ton of detail but it does sound like these encounters that Brent is having is are more of the probing non lanelos kind encounters right like Bren has what I can only presume is like a Tracker of some kind either on them or like it's measuring something I don't know also how many times has Bren woken up feeling like

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they've been abducted right and how big of a hot spot for alien activity is this because it's somewhere in Texas Texas is freaking massive so it's like it could be anywhere but how much is is it kind of on the Arizona New Mexico side of Texas we should phone a friend as in Bren Bren let us know we need more details we understand the Men in Black told you not to tell but like but we need to know could you can you will you what would Happ what did they say would happen if you did tell can you take the risk yeah are you willing stay tuned folks we'll we'll find out well what a fascinating story I'd never heard of injured cold me neither and I had no idea it was so alien heavy but I'm here for it I loved it I yeah I love this too I've never said that I want to be abducted by aliens and I stand by that but injured is is some sort of other hybrid situation and I would love to

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spend some time in my backyard with inred right it sounds like he loves a good backyard chat so maybe that's possible and then maybe one day I'll get to go to lalos I'll pick you up on the way and if it happens for you you need to pick me up on the way of course of course okay well thank you everyone for listening if you have any encounters with inred cold or know anything else about cold and Mothman or anything paranormal really please email it to us at two girl1 GOP podcast gmail.com if you would like episodes one week early and add free and if you would like bonus episodes every month and campfire stories join us on patreon it's one tier for $5 a month and you get access to all of that and so much more you can also rate and review on wherever you listen to podcast Spotify iTunes iHeart Radio wherever and follow us on social media thank you all for listening thank you to our editor Jamie who edits our video and our audio we're so grateful for you and thank you to all of you for listening and we will see see you on the other

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side very spooky