Phone Calls From the Dead | Thomas Edison, Phantom Calls, & Final Messages (Ep 390)

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her home phone rings. Look, love, I'm all right. It's great over here. I'm with your grandmother and all the nice people who've passed on.

Right? Literally. [laughter]

Chills.

Very spooky.

Hi. Hello. I just got the shivery.

We can't turn on the heaters because then I get sweaty. So

[laughter]

Sabrina just has to freeze her butt off.

Hey everyone. This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

Two Girls, One Ghost.

We are your ghostesses. I'm Karen.

Hello.

I'm Sabrina. And Karen, I just I'm too deep into pregnancy, guys. I can barely walk.

But by the time this episode comes out,

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you will no longer be pregnant. You'll have a newborn. And you'll have your hands full in a different way.

once upon a time we're like, oh, we should always cuz we usually record like two episodes in one day.

Mhm.

And we're like, oh, we'll do outfit changes so it like feels different on on video and stuff. I was like, I can't do an outfit change but it doesn't matter cuz I have three shirts that fit me and have for months. So it's like what am I going to do? Just change into the same Noa Con or like the

the main sweatshirt

the main sweatshirt or the like where the weirdos are shirt. That's it. And this one.

You've got your staple uniform. It's your capsule wardrobe.

I realized how bad it was when I was looking back at some of our videos and I was like, oh my god, this wasn't even recorded on the same day. And it's just like me in the same shirt over and over and over and over and over again cuz it's like I have three outfits.

I know. I I

And I can't balance this on my and I'm man spreading and I just like I smell.

You don't smell.

I smell myself. I've been smelling something and I think it's me.

[laughter]

And I've also been not to like, you know how like people's houses all smell how

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they have a certain smell? This house was a very strong smell when we moved in. We had the floors refinished and we painted all of the walls to try to

Change it up.

Change it up.

And I feel [clears throat] like it did enough for a long time but for the past like 6 months the smell has been creeping back in and over the past couple weeks it is like potent to me like

Interesting.

Even while I'm in the house cuz normally you get used to a house's smell and you like can't smell it and then you walk back in you get

I'm like this house freaking reeks.

So gross.

Interesting cuz I feel like your house has a good smell and I always like

I think it smells to me like your hand soap in the

The bathroom is one of the stinkiest spots right

I love that soap so much.

No but it doesn't smell like

Maybe I just keep getting whiffs of it.

Cuz like that area I'm like okay I understand why that one would be a little stinkier cuz like the brick like you can only

Do so much.

Do so much to like get a smell out of a giant brick wall. You know my house reeks.

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Maybe it's a ghost that has a smell and it's it's hanging out with you. Maybe that's why your leg hurts. You they're he backing on you right now.

It's my hip. My hip went out of place like 3 days ago and I literally

[laughter]

It's a we like you came in you set up the whole studio I heard you say hello but I was only halfway down the hall I was like I can't even I'm not going to respond to you because it's going to be another 15 minutes before you even see my face.

[laughter]

Anyhow Pregnancy is cool. My house is stinky.

No.

And I do actually oh

What? Do you have a ghost story?

Well I told didn't I tell you that the other day I thought Brian was coming in to

Yeah yeah.

Yeah but I was saying that on campfire stories yesterday when you had food poisoning sorry. So so Brian you couldn't make it so I did it solo and I was Oh my god my brain. What was I going to say?

You were telling the story about Brian. Hearing Brian go into the

[laughter]

Oh, okay. But it happened during Bronwyn's story, which Bronwyn has a

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bunch of like amazing hot takes and she was telling a story about how her grandfather had come and interrupted. Like she accompanied one of her friends to a psychic reading.

Oh.

And her she overhears like behind the like door or whatever her friend being like, "No, that doesn't relate to me. No, I don't think so." And Bronwyn's sitting there being like, "Oh my god, this is my grandfather coming through."

And her grandfather basically like interrupted and hijacked the whole reading.

Crashing the whole session.

she ended up getting like the whole reading from her grandfather.

That's so funny.

Um it made me think of like when I gave birth to Noah all of the stuff that happened after and me thinking that it was my Uncle Dickie and me thinking that it was my Grandpa Bob and just like all that sort of stuff. And she gave the name of the woman who she's gone to now three times and she said every single time it's like dead accurate, super spot on. And so I think I might book a reading because after that experience the other day where I heard Brian walk up the stairs, the baby gate open and close, and then our bedroom door start to open, and then no one came in for 30

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minutes until Brian actually came in.

who it is.

I'm like, "I think that this is starting. I think the family members are back.

They're moving in.

and I need someone to tell me who it is.

They're starting to nest.

They're nesting.

[laughter]

And you're recording the podcast.

They're taking my mobility away from me in the worst possible week because my nesting this time was renting a dumpster to throw out my whole house and it's here and I haven't been able to do anything cuz I can't move.

Oh man.

Anyhow,

ghosts are moving into Karen's house.

Yeah. I think I'm going to book the reading and and I'll let you know if

Okay.

how it goes.

How it goes. What what you find out.

Yeah.

Okay. Please send us all your recommendations for psychics and mediums cuz we

so many and it's hard to know like

There's someone local that my hairdresser told me about. Oh, really? Like Steven, psychic Steven or something like that. And I was like, "Ooh, we should maybe we should be chatting to Steven."

Yeah, we should.

The hard thing is just like sometimes we get recommendations and obviously these are people's careers. They have to make money.

Yeah.

But like sometimes I'm like, "Oh my god, that's incredible. I need to book a session." and then I'm like I don't think I can afford to book

[laughter]

a session. But we'll see. We'll see.

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And then I just send Lita a text message and be like, "Hey, I feel weird. Can you do a reading for me?" and then she sends me like 40-minute voice notes and I'm like, "Okay, wow. I have a whole podcast [laughter] to listen to."

Anyhow.

Anyhow.

Ghosts.

They're here.

Okay, so they're amongst us.

And we have a ghost-themed episode today.

We do?

[laughter]

Surprise. Two girls one ghost ghost-themed episode.

phone calls from the dead

Recently I did the things caught on baby monitors and it just reminded me of stories that we have heard from just like various research and then also just from encounters where people will get a phone call

We did an encounters recently.

Yes.

Phone calls from the dead.

Mhm.

And then I told you right before this that I was I had to get up early this morning to redo my research cuz I'd written a bunch out and I kept being like, "God, this is so familiar. God, I feel like I've heard this story before." as I'm like pulling stories from online and then I realized we covered this topic back in episode 281.

Mhm.

So there's a lot more stories if you like this theme, you can go back to

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episode 281.

Yeah.

And here ones I wrote and then deleted and chose different ones to tell today.

Now we have new ones today.

Now we have some new ones.

The dead are calling and they have a message for you.

Ring ring ring.

Hello?

Hello.

This is your Uber driver. You're 6 minutes late so I'm driving away.

They wouldn't call and tell you that. They'd just leave.

[laughter]

This is your DoorDash. Your Jersey Mike's is here. That's more realistic for us. Okay. So to begin, we're going to do history which I don't even think I did back in episode 281.

Okay.

How do we get the telephone?

[laughter]

First long-distance phone call was made in Salem, Massachusetts to or Boston to Salem at Turner Seafood.

There we go. More facts. I didn't even write that one in.

Yeah.

So, there you have it. Okay, so phone was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, which we all learned way back in the day in school. He's cited as being the first inventor of the telephone, being the first to pass the patent for it, and making the very first telephone call in 1876.

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Though, there were a few people I think working on like the same concept at the same time. But, how exciting.

People were putting together soup cans with string.

Yeah. And then it evolved. God, I really hope kids still do that these days.

That was so fun.

That's the first phone.

That is the first phone. But, for a while like so even when the phone first existed, this was this was like a fancy thing. People just didn't have phones in their homes. Like it was for businesses and then like rich people, basically. Definitely a luxury for a long time. But, post World War II in the 1950s, telephone networks started to expand. There were more landlines being installed. And this became more of a standard household item. So, the 1950s kind of marked the threshold of when it

became

over 50% of the people having a phone in their home.

Okay.

In their private residence. That really was like one singular phone. It's like it's in

the landline.

It's a landline connected to the kitchen or living room or like some communal space. Everyone's sharing it.

Yeah.

One singular phone and it would be that way for a long time.

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Mhm.

Cell phones started being a thing in the 1990s and early 2000s, but it really wasn't like a popular thing for everyone to have until

God, I don't know. I got my first cell phone in like 2011 and I feel like I was pretty early on.

I remember getting like the like first editions of some of the cell phone companies.

I got mine early because my sister So, I think I was seven and my sister was nine because

you did get yours really early.

it was a buy one get one free situation and my sister did a lot of figure skating, so she'd be at the ice rink by herself a lot. So, my parents wanted to buy them and then I got one and I just did brick.

[laughter]

Or snake.

It was snake. Snake. Snake. Yeah.

Snake was so good. I'm trying to remember my very first cell phone like what it even was.

Mine was like a block and then it had a case that you could change the color of like on top.

Oh, oh my gosh, do you remember that? Oh, you used to walk through the malls and then the like middle kiosks would just have like bejeweled in different designs cell phone cases to snap on.

And then you could put things on the antennas.

Whoa, you just fully unlocked a memory for me. I totally forgot about that.

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That was so fun.

Ah, and then you'd get your you'd have to buy like ringtones but like the ringback tones were like when people call you they get to listen.

My one friend Loreal still has a ringback tone. I don't know and she doesn't even know either. She's like I never

What's the song?

True caller, find out.

[laughter]

Yes. Oh my gosh, what a time capsule.

Yeah.

Early cell phone days were great cuz it was very limited. It was basically call your friend and and play snake.

Um, you know what I really wanted to do or I had the decision and inspiration to do last night while I was in bed is bejewel my Zoloft.

[laughter]

Like the pill bottle.

your pill bottle?

Yeah.

And then you just every time you get a refill you just put it in your pill

Yeah, put it in my bejeweled bottle.

That is incredible. I love that. That's so funny.

That'll be my summer project. While you're with a newborn I'll be bejeweling all my medication.

[laughter]

You could sell it. Actually that's probably illegal.

Well, I could sell the bottles.

Yeah, that's true.

Who wants their medication bejeweled?

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There's probably an Etsy for that already.

Yeah.

Anyway, I'll just say that phone communication's been around for 150 Did I do that math right? Something like that. 150 years or so, but it certainly didn't take that long for spirits to figure out how to communicate on phones.

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Spiritualism & Thomas Edison's ghost phone

So, back in the day when spiritualism was I almost said was a thing. It's

It's still a thing.

was more like mainstream popular-ish, spiritualists started to claim that spirits could manipulate certain technology and soon to be like a phone to communicate. So, it started out with messages using Morse code. Like, there can be like tapping, and we actually covered in episode 281 a Morse code

Like communication. Okay, right.

So, I won't repeat it here. You can go back and listen if you're curious about that. So, starting out with like tapping in Morse code, but like would evolve to some of the other technologies like a cell phone being communication device

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with the dead. So, from 1920 to 1921, a medium named Francis Grierson claimed to use a psychophone. He was a psychic medium, and he was basically saying that he was using this phone to have the special phone to have conversations with spirits on the other side. And they would be famous spirits. I didn't write them down. There's a big list of them, but like Abraham Lincoln.

Of course.

of stuff. A bunch of famous ones, but also a bunch of just like regular people that he made contact with.

But if he's a psychic, what's the difference between just like normal psychic communication and this phone communication?

Well, that's a great question. I'm I'm not really sure, but anyway, he published the transcripts of these conversations and it does deviate a bit from the characteristics that we're going to talk about like fit the mold of what like a traditional contact from the dead via a phone looks like because his conversations were extensive. And so this inspired some people to try to create phones to talk to the dead.

So there was another psychical researcher named F. R. Melton and he

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designed and built a psychic telephone. It had a headset that connected to like the transmitter box and all that.

Yeah, like a spirit box, but inside of the [laughter] box

I don't know. What is it?

was a balloon filled with the breath of a psychic [laughter] medium.

[laughter]

No.

How much does he pay someone to breathe into his balloon?

Isn't it? I was like this has to be fake. That's so weird. I'd love that so much.

fake. It might have been like misconstrued over different articles and periods of time.

What? No, that's I mean

in the middle and he has psychic mediums fill them up.

[laughter]

Listen, an invention starts somewhere.

It does. Who's to say that that wasn't actually the missing component?

I love that so much.

are interested in this, right? Like that's the whole point. People are trying to create these devices. Still today people are creating devices to try to capture the voice of the dead. Another person who was interested in

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this was Thomas Edison.

Of course.

Gave us the light bulb. Thanks, Tom.

Good old Tommy Boy.

Tommy Boy.

Let there be light.

He announced that he was working on a spirit phone. Some articles said it was a spirit phone, others said it was a necrophone, so I don't know what he himself was calling it.

Yeah.

But he was working to create a telephone to make contact with the dead and he basically like his pitch or his like thinking was that if he could create this telephone using a particular valve, this valve could amplify and detect subtle particles that he believed were surviving remnants of a human's personality. It's a little confusing, so I'm not really sure if he thought he was like talking if it was going to be like you can talk to the dead or if there's just like lingering energy.

Energy. What's what's the difference?

Yeah, of a person.

Right. Isn't the dead a spirit lingering energy in a way?

Right, but it's almost like was it active communication or was he just capturing like what's left over floating

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through space? I don't really know, but yeah, that's what he said he was going to do. He was going to create this device, that's what was going to happen and it was published in a very popular magazine and people were so excited about it. It like you'd think a lot of people would be like, "Oh my god, like you've lost your mind. You must have been electrocuted too many times, Thomas Edison." But no, this was coming off of World War II and so a lot of people um

wanted to talk to their deceased loved ones.

of losses. They're like looking for comfort. Here's this guy who's this like well-known inventor and he's kind of giving this like glimmer of hope that one day someone could hear their loved one's voice again.

Right.

Unfortunately, from what I could find, this this phone did not work out for Thomas Edison. He didn't come up with a functioning It didn't come to fruition. But you don't need a phone specifically built to communicate with the dead to communicate with the dead.

No, you don't.

So there's a silver lining. Public

parapsychologists find evidence

recognition of the phenomena of spirits making contact through phones begins or public recognition begins more in the 1970s.

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So before it was like kind of conversations here and there, you'd lose interest or like spiritualist movement would bring something up and then but it would it would dwindle. It wasn't like this like steady thing. But then in September of 1976, there was a letter published in Fate magazine and Fate magazine was the like a paranormally focused magazine.

Okay.

This letter came from a man named Don B. Owens of Toledo, Ohio. And he wrote in with his story. He said he had a close friend named Lee Epps, and they grew up in the same neighborhood, but in adulthood, Lee had moved away from the neighborhood. And so they're still friends as adults, and they would catch up occasionally over phone. On October 26th, 1968 at 10:30 p.m.

Close to Halloween.

Very close to Halloween.

Bale is spinning.

Absolutely. So it's 10:30 p.m. and the phone rings at Don's house. He's not home, so his wife Ethel picks up the phone, and it's Lee on the other side. And he seems really sad, and he seems really distressed. And he said, "Sis, tell Don I'm feeling real bad. Never felt this way before. Tell him to get in

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touch with me the minute he comes home. It's important, Sis."

It's really scary.

Yeah. The phone call ends, and Ethel is like, "Oh my gosh, like what is happening to Lee? I'm concerned." So she tries calling him back to be like, "Are you okay? What do you need?" What's going on? He doesn't pick up. She keeps trying, he doesn't pick up. Don comes home finally, and she tells him about the phone call.

Yeah.

And he's like, "I'm super concerned." Immediately picks up the phone, tries to call his friend Lee. Nobody picks up.

Oh no.

They're stressed, and I think it's like an entire day basically that passes, like all night and into the day, when finally they make contact with someone in Lee's family, and it turns out he Lee had been in a coma in a hospital. He wasn't even at home, he was in hospital, and he had died that night that he had called them. And his time of death was 10:30 p.m.

So literally like

when the phone call happened. [clears throat]

call happened.

Yep. So

Oh, so sad.

I know. Oh, I have chills thinking about it. This story is published in the magazine, and two parapsychologists, D. Scott Rogo and Raymond Bayless, both

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take a bunch of interest in this like phenomenon.

So Scott actually worked for Fate magazine, and he worked with the Psychic Research Foundation in Durham, North Carolina, and the Division of Parapsychology at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn,

Sure.

New York.

Yeah.

He was also a skeptic. So, he was like he was super into it, but like researching like what it could possibly be.

Yeah, that's fair.

a paranormal explanation. Like what is happening that's grounded in reality and science.

But those people I feel like want to believe in the paranormal the most.

I feel like they all end up

being the biggest believers

happen where they're like, "Okay, I guess

Can't ignore it anymore.

Okay, so that was Scott's background and Raymond was a researcher and author with extensive experience researching and chronicling paranormal and psychic phenomenon. Or phenomena, sorry. So, the two team up and they start looking into this topic, like communication with the dead through phones. Was this something that other people had experienced? Was Lee the first person to make a phone call to his friend from the other side? Only two

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years it took them and they had a book published of 50 cases

Wow.

called Phone Calls from the Dead.

Yeah, I want to read this book.

You can get it still.

That would be fun.

Yeah. So, yeah, this was something that people certainly had experienced. So, with the publication of this book, other people started to take interest and of course when it comes to any bit of research, skeptics come along. They try to scrutinize and debunk it. That's normal with just like I feel like any bit of scientific

Yes.

advancement, not just paranormal, but the conversation was happening though it wasn't like this electric topic that took over the whole world again, right? Like it was kind of a niche thing, but somewhat mainstream at the same time.

Mhm.

So, thousands of people are starting to come forward with stories and study this phenomena. But the whole topic isn't really like people are doing things individually, but it's not really revisited again in like a big group setting until 2012 when a young psychologist at the University of Northampton in England named Dr. Callum

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Cooper found this book that these two other researchers had published after two years of research. He found it in his university's parapsychology collection. Read it.

To just be perusing the parapsychology collection and be like, "Ooh, look at this funny find."

Yeah.

Yeah, so 2012 he's like looking. He reads it, and then he's like, "Oh my god, I am so obsessed with this topic." So he's like, "You and Karen Cullum, the two of you together."

of us It's so fascinating. So he spent years conducting new interviews, researching the topic, applying modern psychological practices to his research, and then publishing his findings in a book called Telephone Calls from the Dead. So he continued with the research. So in his book, there's some 100 additional cases presented.

it's much easier to get like in touch with people and hear people's stories.

Totally.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean like blogs on the internet, like people are sharing things.

Yeah.

But in all of the cases that he has

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found, plus the cases that Scott and Raymond have found, there

begins to be like a very clear pattern

to exactly what's happening. And I think Scott and Raymond had presented this sort of like, "Here's the MO of the ghosts who are making these calls."

And then Cullum's research basically was confirming like all of that.

Damn.

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similarities between calls from beyond

So, what are the similarities?

MO?

Okay. So, the MO, the first is voice quality.

Okay.

In almost every case, the phantom caller's voice sounds very distant. It sounds like they're very far away.

Mhm.

Some people have described it sounding like they're underwater.

Mhm.

And also another thing that isn't with every single case, but a lot of them is like as the conversation is starting to wrap up or the message being delivered is is coming to an end, the voice becomes even more distant. Like it's like fading away.

yeah. Wow.

like static-y. It's kind of hard to hear, but you can still make out

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what's important and what's

what's important

trying to be said.

And you can recognize the voice. The second is the duration of the call. So, it's always pretty quick, never more than a few minutes. And the moment someone remembers to bring attention to the fact that that this caller has passed away, the call ends. So, if you ask any questions or if you bring up like how are you how are you talking to me or are you okay or like who are you with or whatever, any recognition about them being on the other side, boom, call ends.

Okay, so if you get a call from a loved one on the other side, do not ask questions. Just let them deliver their message.

Yeah.

Tell them you love them.

Mhm. And third, the message is usually some sort of warning, like for the person to be careful

Mhm.

or some sort of reassurance, like that they're okay and saying goodbye, but like usually because that person is having a really hard time moving on.

Right.

And so it's less of like the person's spirit saying that for their own closure and more of like

for you.

Yeah, they they feel like they have to

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wrap it up for you.

Which is very nice.

Yes. The fourth pattern is that these calls frequently come from phones that have been disconnected. So, it's like a call from someone's dad and the cell phone has been disconnected for 12 years and the cell phone has no battery and the cell phone's sitting in your drawer in your bedroom.

Or you try to call the number back and it says like this number doesn't exist or has been disconnected.

been disconnected. That is exactly what happened. Also, the caller ID will often come up as a specific known number. Even if they're not calling from that number, it's like the caller ID will either say like dad or like whoever. It's even if it's not authentically coming from that number.

Interesting.

It will identify the caller as the spectral person who's calling in.

Wow. Didn't we have um at one of our live shows, was it New Orleans when in the middle of the show someone's phone Siri had calling mom and like their mom had passed away like years prior and it was the anniversary or something like

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that.

was in New Orleans.

Yeah.

Right?

I can't remember the specific details, but yeah.

the venue and I remember where she was sitting.

And she came up to us afterwards and said

And the light also started flickering like at the same time. The like spotlight like right on her and other people were drawing attention to it being like, "Do you see this?"

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

So special.

So yeah, it is interesting because like the number itself or the phone line has been disconnected, so there's no way for it to be able to ring through in the first place.

Mhm.

Yet it does. So, I have chosen, provided

real people's stories

by the internet's and various bloggers and other people out there, a few real life stories to share.

And then I have a couple from our listeners, too.

Hell yes. Okay. Again, back in episode 281, there are a few more examples in that episode of different calls from the dead, but

phone numbers like back early days and that also that you were getting a bunch of Weren't you getting a bunch of calls from

I can't remember if I was, but I think a lot of listeners after that episode were getting weird ass calls.

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[clears throat]

So go back, I don't remember what episode that is. Jamie, maybe you know, and if you do, it will be in the bottom of the video, but if

Car, there's been so many episodes.

[laughter]

That's why when I was first researching this, some of them I was like, "Did I bring this up in the third man syndrome episode?" And I was like, "No."

Yeah.

I like couldn't figure it out, and then I realized, "Oh, I literally have an episode called like

Calls [laughter] from

from the dead.

dead or from the other side or something.

that. That was a good one.

Oh, well, thanks. So, 281, if you want to hear the researched one, we have a a recent encounters all about calls from the dead, and a bunch more sprinkled throughout the past eight some nine years.

Nine years.

Nine years, I guess that after this says already came out. All right, we are going back to 1969, Montclair, New Jersey.

Oh, hey Jersey, what's up?

Is it Montclair right by where you

Yeah, it's yeah.

Okay. So, New Jersey rock musician named Carl Upp Hoff. I think he was a teenager at the time that this story happens. He receives a phone call from his grandmother.

Okay.

And now, this is very strange because his grandmother was deaf. So, she very

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rarely used the phone because she was deaf enough that like she couldn't hear or like make conversation over the phone. It's not to say she never used the phone, she did occasionally, and it would be like they were very close. I'm not sure if he was living with her at the time, it was kind of unclear based on like some of the retellings of this, but at least at the very least he would frequent her house and like visit with her. So, she had the numbers of his friends, she like generally knew where he was, and so it wasn't completely out of the ordinary for every once in a blue moon for her to call one of his friends, and just if the receiver, like if the call picked up, she would just say, "Is Carl there? This is his grandmother. If so, can you tell him to come home?"

Right.

And then hang up cuz she wouldn't be able to like hear the response. That's her response. So, it's more of like her way of delivering a like a voicemail to be alive.

Sure.

Interaction. But anyway, so So, that part is odd. Even more odd is grandmother passed away 2 days before.

I would say that's the most odd.

That's probably the most odd. So, why are you getting a phone call from your grandmother?

Yes.

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In this moment, he did not realize he was getting a phone call from his grandmother.

Okay.

He was at his friend's house. They were in the basement. I think they were like like it

You know, doing middle or high school teenage things.

they were like literally practicing in their band. Like I think they were it was like a music

in the heat of the moment.

Like a basement band situation.

Yeah.

So, his friend's mom comes down and says, "Carl, you have a call." So, he goes up the stairs and he picks up the phone and immediately he recognizes that it's his grandmother's voice, which is bizarre because again, she has passed away.

2 days

never She would never ask to talk to him because she wouldn't be able to hear his response anyway. But she starts talking to him and he recognizes her voice. And it's only a very short period of time and I'm not exactly sure what she said cuz it wasn't written anywhere, but Carl asked where she was and then the call ended.

Hung up.

Oh. And for the next several days, he would keep getting calls from his grandmother, but anytime he asked a question like,

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"Where are you? What's it like on the other side? Are you okay?" the call would end immediately after.

Every day this is happening.

It made it sound like it happened for a few days.

Wow.

Like probably like three or four days.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, it was multiple calls.

That's wild.

It's not like it's a time when he has a cell phone or anything. Like this is land she's tracking him down and getting

in contact with him. Okay, so then in 1995, we're now in Liverpool, England. There's a radio station that often features this medium named James Byrne. And he would take calls live over the radio. People would call in asking to make some sort of a connection to a loved one and he would basically do like live mediumship on the radio. It was a very popular segment. Yeah, and it would happen late at night, not super late. I think it was whatever, like a 10:00 show or something like that. But anyway, it was a popular segment, a ton of people would call in, and on this particular night there was a woman who went by the name Mrs. Wilson in the retellings of this.

Mhm.

And she called in and she had hoped that she would make contact with her

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grandfather who had passed a year prior and see if her grandfather had any messages for her. Only she didn't actually get to talk to the psychic James because when she called in, it was kind of like calling in for like American Idol in the early days where like it's a busy tone and you say call like 40 times to like cast your singular vote or whatever. So like she didn't actually get through and so she's like, okay, ton of people are calling in. That was my hope tonight, but like maybe I'll try a different night. So she just like sits back and relaxes and starts to listen to the show as it begins and like callers are are actually getting through to James the psychic medium. And as she's listening, her home phone rings. And she picks up and in the distance it's this like very faded voice that says, "Look, love, I'm all right. It's great over here. I'm with your grandmother and all the nice people who have passed on."

Literally

Chills. Oh. And she is like, "Oh my god, that sounds like my grandfather." She goes, "Granddad, is that you?" And he responds, yes, it's him. He's

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looking over her. He wants her to focus on living life in the present and not looking back and reminiscing too much about him and to tell all of the kids that he loves them. And then he says, "Bye." And that was that. She couldn't hear him anymore. It was like the phone call didn't end, but it was just kind of like static and no more voice.

[sighs]

And his voice was starting to trail off like more and more distant as he was talking.

So special.

I know. And also just like proves that even if you don't get the opportunity to talk with someone or like use some sort of communication device to like actually get in contact with who you're trying to reach out to that like they know that you are.

Yeah.

Okay, so this sounds amazing, but like at the time this woman, even though she's hearing her grandfather's voice and she thought this and no one else knew that she'd called in, she's still like this can't be happening.

Right.

So she thinks it's this a super cruel prank.

Which it would be a super cruel prank if it's a prank.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

So immediately she punches in whatever the number is in the UK to like basically do the call back. Like call

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back the number that just had called you.

And whatever the automated message is, she she basically gets told by this like automated receiver that the phone number cannot be connected because it's her phone number. Like it was like she received the call from her own phone.

That's what happened with my grandma when my grandpa dies.

It was her number with the number like seven in front of it or something like that.

[sighs]

That's wild.

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real people's stories cont’d

So, yeah, how can you call yourself? You can't, but the spirits can. All right, the next example of a mysterious phone call. It's one that when I was writing it, I was like, this sounds so so familiar. And I looked back and I don't believe that I had covered it in the previous one. So, I don't know if we've covered it again in a different episode or if maybe I just had read it when I was previously researching.

Either way, I'm sure it's great. So, either it's going to be your first time or not hearing this, but we're going to revisit it again.

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So, we're back in England and it's the late 1980s. And there's this woman in Manchester, her name is Sadie, and she had just recently lost her husband. And it was very sad and it was very tragic. Um she had a 7-year-old daughter, Abigail, and so it was just really tough on them and so

they decided Sadie decided that she was going to move her and Abigail out of their family home, try to start somewhat fresh somewhere else where like it's the pain isn't immediately there. And so they end up moving to a different town and renting this beautiful old cottage.

Sounds lovely.

Yeah, it's very cheap, like way too cheap. And so there was like a small amount of suspicion about how cheap it was, but it also wasn't the best like most kept-up-with property. So, there was definitely some things that like they were doing some deep cleanings. Sadie was definitely trying to like get the property like feel a little more homey and and shining and new.

Yeah, this was like a wonderful little retreat.

And so her and Abigail, Sadie and Abigail, her daughter, are living there.

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And 3 months after moving, Abigail comes inside and says that she saw this kind old woman in a long black dress standing under the willow tree, cuz there's also like a lake on the property or like a pond, standing under the willow tree just smiling at her and waving.

Kind old lady.

Yeah. Or sorry, I don't think the woman waved. I think she was just standing there smiling.

Abigail probably Abigail

waved and said that as she was waving, the woman just faded away. So, she's telling her mom Sadie this and Sadie actually immediately believes Abigail because Abigail was not a kid who just like would tell these fanciful stories from her imagination. They'd gone through a lot. Like she just was not This was If she said something, it was factual and true and it happened.

Also, let's make it normal to believe your children.

[laughter]

Yes. Maybe?

Yeah, and also like you moved into a house that was dirt cheap in an area that you're not super familiar with.

Why not? Why not believe

content. So, I think that's what Sadie was thinking. She was like, "Oh, we might have just moved into a haunted cottage. All right, like whatever." But

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doesn't think much more of it. So, fast forward some time and one evening Abigail, 7-year-old Abigail starts to feel really dizzy and sick. And Sadie is like, "Oh gosh, you must be coming down with something. Why don't you go to bed early tonight and try to like sleep it off, get a little extra sleep." So, she tucks her daughter Abigail into bed, goes through her own like nightly routine, has a little extra time cuz she's child free for like an hour or two. And then finally, around 10:00, she goes into bed, slips into bed, turns on her bedside lamp, opens up her book and she's reading. 11:00 p.m. There's a knock on the door. And she's like, "What the hell?" If it were me, I would never would have gone downstairs, but thank god she did.

door, not her bedroom door.

No, no, no.

Like the front door.

Okay.

Cuz they were not expecting any visitors. It's like They didn't really know many people around here. Yeah, it's a late It's not a super popular populated area. They're just like renting here. So, she is like, "Who is knocking on my door at 11:00 p.m.?"

Yeah.

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Very cautiously, she goes downstairs and with the door still closed, she asks like, "Who Who is that? Like who's there?"

Yeah.

And the person who responds is like the an older male voice and he says

Okay.

that he is a doctor and that he's here because he received a call for a home visit.

Wait, a real doctor?

Yeah, a real doctor. And she's like, "Wait, what?" And he's I received a call to come look or do an examination tonight of a little girl named Abigail. And so Sadie's like, what? And she cracks open the door and she sees this older man who has a briefcase. He's totally dressed as a physician. And he's like, oh, are you the mom Sadie? And like says the last name. Knows Sadie's full name. And he's like, yes. And so she's I have chills. She's spooked, but like he is not acting in any particular way for her to feel Right. alerted. So she ends

like a safe person.

Yes. Yeah. She ends up fully opening the door and letting this guy in, bringing him up to Abigail's room, waking up Abigail and he does an examination.

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Yeah.

And when he's looking at Abigail and like taking in all of her symptoms, he notices that she has this rash and mixed with all the other symptoms, he's like, here's the thing, like there's a chance that this could be meningitis and I think you need to go to the hospital.

So like, thank goodness. Oh my god, wait, I love this.

Yeah. So Abigail and her mom Sadie go to the hospital and she did have meningitis and if it had gone untreated for much longer, she very likely would have died. And it was all because

someone

this physician received a phone call from a house that no one called from, giving the identification and a patient's name and the mother's name and calling urgently for a home visit to check on the health of the little girl.

Did the physician say he spoke to like a woman or something?

It wasn't in the

This reminds me so much of uh Lorraine Warren told us this about when she was growing up in the Conjuring house. The like duo paranormal investigators who came to the house had received a

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call from Carolyn Wait, I Wait, no, I said Lorraine Warren. Um why am I blanking on her name?

Oh, uh cuz

Andrea Perron.

Oh, I almost said she had a personality. Yeah.

Got it.

I'm just showing people

that Carolyn Perron, which is Andrea's mother, had called these paranormal investigators and asked them to come investigate the house, but no one ever called them.

No.

And didn't she say like it sound like when they heard Carolyn's voice, they were like, "Oh, no, it was you."

It was you. Yeah.

But it wasn't. It was something mimicking her voice to bring attention to the house.

them to come.

Oh my gosh, yeah. So, I don't know the details of the actual like phone call and stuff.

it the old lady or was it the dad who had passed The husband who had passed away.

See, I never even considered that. I just immediately thought it was the nice old lady The nice old lady who was waving at Abigail and checking in on her.

Either way, very protective good haunting.

Yes. A spirit made a phone call to save a little girl's life.

Wow.

And with that, I conclude this episode. A few extra stories that we have in here.

it's not over.

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No, but you have multiple from listeners.

I do. I think I pulled three because one of them is super short.

But it is like I love this topic because it's a nice thought that even it's so like morbid of me, but I keep the most recent voicemail from everyone who's ever given me a voicemail.

Yeah.

Just so I'd have like the most recent recording of their voice should something ever happen. And I feel like a lot of people like that's what you want. Like you you want to hear your loved one's voice again.

But it is so nice to think that like you might, but like it's not just a voicemail. Like it's Right.

You can actually get a call.

Well, I have that the phone call from my grandma of her saying happy birthday Alexis cuz she had called my number instead of my sister's number.

But so every year on my sister's birthday, I send her that voicemail.

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listener stories

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Okay. So, this first story is from our listener Amanda, and I love it because it's called an otherworldly visit from my massive tall dad.

[laughter]

Okay. Hello, my favorite madams of the macabre. My name is Amanda. I'm a Boston native, now a Pittsburgh transplant, and I have become obsessed with your podcast. I've always been a creepy kid, and I'm writing to tell you an experience I had after my dad's sudden passing in 2022. Massachusetts will always be home, and the community for us weirdos is strong here, even allowing me to open an alternative bakery doing pop-ups at metal shows. I'm also in a band, a bit of an artist, flightiest [ __ ] forever a hustler, even with four kids. So, a lot of the tenacity I have, as well as some of the not-so-great traits, they come from my dad. I was an only child, and my parents divorced when I was young. I don't think my dad ever got over my mom, and sadly he struggled with the substance abuse and lost almost everything he had as a successful cranberry grower.

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Aw.

And a lot of my childhood was pretty traumatic. But, being from my generation and where I was raised, you just suck it up and keep living. My dad was also passionate. He had a brilliant voice, he loved playing guitar about as much as he loved sunflower seeds, which I found in his actual guitars a lot of the time.

Oh, that's so cute.

My dad moved to New Hampshire when I was around 22 and would drive 3 hours just for South Shore bar pies in Carver.

Wow. Carver.

Carver.

Wait, did you see that video where it was like names that I can't name my children because my mom has [laughter] a really thick

Boston accent.

And then she was like, "Carter." And the mom was like, "Cahter." She's like, "Carter." She's like, "Cah-tah."

And then for Charlotte, she was like, "Shahlit." "Shahlit."

[laughter]

My stomach. My stomach was like, "Shahlit. Shahlit." Um my dad loved taking drives, which is also something I inherited. In August of 2021, I visited him with my kids and my dad was not himself. He was angry,

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depressed, and his health was failing. And he treated me the way he did when I was younger, which this time he did in front of my children. When we left, I cried in the car because I had the strangest feeling that it would be the last time I saw him and I hated the idea of those being the last memories my children and I would have. But I didn't express that to him. Over the next few months, we spoke periodically, but I didn't answer when he would call on his morning Dunk's runs nearly enough. In early 2022, I told him I was coming out in April to help him get a doctor and his health issues in order. But on March 20th, I got a call from his long-time partner that he had passed in his sleep from congestive heart failure.

I'm so sorry.

No goodbye. And his last voicemail, because I hadn't answered his call, was him yelling at me to answer my phone. He sounded desperate and I didn't listen to the voicemail until after he passed. I was devastated. I went home to Boston to make arrangements, but the rest of the family decided not to do a memorial until September, which I was unable to attend with the kids going back to school. So, I got no closure and I was heartbroken. My husband and I were at

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home 3 days after my dad's passing. We were pulling into a parking garage to do some shopping and it was that moment that I just completely lost my [ __ ] and broke down. I was sobbing in the car unloading everything to my husband when all of a sudden I started getting a phone call through the car's Bluetooth. It was my [ __ ] dad. I answered completely shaken. Hello? It was silent for a moment and then I heard what sounded like an old landline receiver being hung up. The call ended. I was completely shook. I immediately called my dad's girlfriend and asked if she had just called me from his phone and she said no, she would never. And the phone hadn't moved from his nightstand since he passed away.

Wow.

I spared her the details but confirmed we were coming up. When we got there, my husband immediately turned on my dad's phone and checked the call log and sure enough at 3:14 p.m. there was an outgoing call made to me.

Wait, I feel like that's really unique because so many times there's no record in the call log of like the phone call ever having existed.

But dad was like I need to talk to her. Later that evening my husband said that what he heard didn't sound like the phone hanging up but more of like a sigh. Almost one of exasperation. And

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keep in mind I had been crying when the call came in. And my dad hated when I got emotional. So it felt like it was him calling and sighing giving me his typical Jesus Christ Amanda, you want some cheese with that wine?

[laughter]

It was his masshole way of telling me he was still with me and there was no reason to worry. Thank you for letting me share one of the most profound moments of my life. Proof that we don't just disappear. From one spooky masshole to two others, Amanda.

Dang. You know what's so great is like when people's personalities and the way that they communicate still come through. Oh yeah. Even if it's like harsh or insensitive or like whatever. Yeah. I feel like it does provide humor and also just like some relief in knowing like yeah, that's authentically the person that you think that it is.

just become like a peaceful zen Buddhist

Oh everything is so much and everything is so beautiful over here. Like

He's always watching over you.

Stop [ __ ] whining.

Oh my god. Pick up your damn phone.

But I would like some cheese with that

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wine, Dad. Thank you. [laughter] That sounds delicious.

Cheese when you're sad?

Yes.

I love that.

Okay, the second one. This is from our listener, Shannon. Hi Kristin and Sabrina, I discovered your podcast this year and binged it while I did all of my Halloween DIYs this year. This was back in 2021. I love the Encounters episode and or episodes and I know you guys like some light-hearted ones and not so spooky ones. So, I have two for you. The first one happened to my cousin, but she called me immediately after experiencing it. Our grandmother passed away in July 2020. This is difficult on my family as, you know, this during the pandemic and we hadn't seen my grandmother since before March of that year.

Oh, wow.

Since nursing homes and hospitals were restricting visitors.

[sighs and gasps]

I truly tear up thinking about it. Anyway, my cousin was especially close to my grandma and having a really hard time with it. So, she had saved several voicemails from my grandma and had put them into these really cool photo frames that when you press the button, it would play the voicemail. These were not motion sensor at all. Like, you physically had to press the button on the picture frame for it to talk. One night, we're having a big storm and

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interestingly enough, one of the voicemails my cousin chose to save and put in one of the frames saying, "Hi, just calling to see how you made it out in the storm." Or something along the lines of that and then I'll talk to you soon. So, my cousin is at home and there's a massive storm going on. She's standing nowhere near this photo frame when all of a sudden, the frame starts playing over and over again. "Hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm. Hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm. Hi, just calling to see how you made out in the storm." My cousin, obviously terrified, was like, "What is going on?" It suddenly stopped, but it repeated over and over. [sighs and gasps] Once it did finally stop, she called her dad. The second he picked up, the frame went off again. As if my grandmother heard my uncle's and her dad's voice and wanted to get his attention, too. Then, my cousin called me after and it hasn't happened since. It's just weird because it happened specifically during the severe s- storm.

Yeah. It's like the perfect sign.

Yeah. Just checking in.

I'm just checking in. How are you doing?

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I also feel like if you if it just kept kind of happening at random, you might be able to excuse it away as being like a glitch or something. Yeah.

it only happened that night multiple times during the storm.

And relating to what was actually going on. Yeah, like around weather wise.

And it sounds like there are multiple voicemails saved. I don't know if it's like one per frame or maybe there's multiple per frame. I don't know. But like for just that voicemail to repeat.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, the next story is not as freaky, just an odd coincidence and it has to do with my cousin and my grandma on my other side. I grew up in New England. Didn't realize I picked two New England ones. And my grandparents had this big house and giant backyard in Smithfield, Rhode Island. All of my cousins on that side are girls, so there was nothing but shrieking and playing and giggling and of course a tons of sleepovers at grandma's. Me and my cousin Molly were the oldest two out of all of us. Molly, the oldest. And Molly and I spent most of our time there and slept over the most. Our whole childhoods were nothing but joyful and fun memories of that house. Except I was always exceptionally creeped out by the upstairs hallway. It

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had three bedrooms at the end of the hallway and one of them had an old trunk of full of letters from my great-grandparents from Ireland and another room had these old porcelain dolls, of course.

Mhm.

Nothing ever really happened, but that eerie energy in the hall was probably from one of those things, either the dolls or the letters. Eventually they sold that house and I grew up always having dreams about it. The dreams were always about really odd things happening in that hallway. A few weeks ago I was texting Molly and casually mentioned that I have dreams about the Smithfield house. She immediately responded asking what kind of dreams and I mentioned that they were about ghosts or creepy things. She goes, "Oh my god, I've always been creeped out by that hallway, too and also have dreams about ghostly things happening there."

Interesting.

So, yeah, we both kept this to ourselves our entire lives and never spoke of it until this text conversation. We just discovered this.

It makes me wonder if like they're being manipulated by the house to have the same dreams. Like what what their actual dreams are or if they're just both picking up on the energy so much that like in their subconscious there every

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once in a while revisiting the fear of the place.

Or did those things actually happen but they blocked it out of their memories but it's happening again in their dreams. I don't know. Okay, the last one. This is a short one from a listener Brent and um we may have caused this one. Hi, long time listener, third time caller. So let's just cut to the chase because this is short. I'm going back to listen to old encounters episodes because they're the creepiest to me. So here I am in my kitchen listening when I get a phone call. I'm like, "Ugh, of course, another spam call." And I'm in an unfortunate phase of being called non-stop by spam numbers. So anyway, I I send this one to voicemail like I do all the others. But then I see the transcription of the voicemail pop up on my phone. The message is short and sweet. Die. Well, damn. And then I, curious, went to go listen to it and sure enough it was like a female voice saying, "Die." Well,

Oh my god.

I screenshotted it and then I deleted that cuz I don't need that [ __ ] on my phone. But yeah, so a little creepy coincidence while listening to y'all. Here's a screenshot of the voicemail

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beneath. It was encounters 175 and then it has the transcription. It says, "Die."

Ooh, ooh. I do not like that at all.

I'm curious what story was playing.

Yeah.

That's from Brent.

me of when I was in middle school and my friend or maybe it was early high school, my friend Margaret in the morning when I woke up, she was like, "Wait, what? What did you say to me? Why did you say that?" And I was like, "What are you talking about?" It was all over text. She was like, "Why did you tell me to die?" And I was like, "Well, literally, what are you talking about?" And she screenshotted the our text message thread and what didn't exist on my phone existed on hers where it showed my phone texting her at like 2:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m. like middle of the night to to die or something like that.

Well, that's how that's the one time that I had you come cleanse my college dorm because I got a text from my roommate that said don't die. And I was like, what? And she was like, what? And then I sent her a screenshot and she goes, I didn't send that. And then on her side there was no outgoing

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text saying don't die.

Yes. That's like where I truly felt like a paranormal investigator cuz you text me and I like put things in a little briefcase.

came over with a briefcase.

I had a little metal briefcase.

You had a feather. I think it was a makeup case. Like a hard shell makeup case.

But I like threw everything out, put all my like spiritual stuff in.

It was very legit.

was very scared cuz she was also pretty devoutly Catholic at the time, wasn't she? Or she she was something.

She was something.

She was born again, I think. I don't

I don't know. She was something and things were going on and then

Yeah.

It was scary. When you get a text saying die or don't die, that's yeah, very scary.

I know. And you're in one of the newer dorms, too.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything.

nothing.

[laughter]

Dang.

Yeah, and those are just a couple that I found cuz I was trying to find like a variety of things.

I mean, there's so many stories online, too.

Mhm.

And it's like I just went with the ones that were published in like actual articles and like big blog posts. Like if I went to Reddit or something, like

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[snorts]

I'm sure there'd be a million more stories.

need to do a Reddit episode like that.

Oh, we should. I love this topic, clearly.

I forgot I did it before and I was like, this is the best topic.

We've revisited it a few times, so.

Yeah, so

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We love you all very, very much.

And we will see you on the other side.

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Very spooky.