x284. TRUE GHOST STORIES | Skinwalkers, UFOs & Spirits That Follow | Indigenous Paranormal Hauntings

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Take a shot every time I say flesh pedestrian. An appalachin follow-up from a Cherokee citizen and a raven mocker story. And the coyote is now running on its hind legs. So, it's believed that mother nature chose her to be a healer. Great that you were talking about the things that you learned from the indigenous people of Peru because we themed this encounters episode indigenous stories. They either took place on indigenous lands or were sent in by people of the indigenous cultures. Yeah. Yeah. Very spooky. Hello. Are you nervous? Yeah. Good. Hey, it's my first day of school. Um, hello. Hi. This is Two Girls, One

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Ghost. Two Girls, One Ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That is Karen. Hello. And I am Sabrina. And I come bearing

gifts & stories from Peru

gifts. Gift stories. Storytelling. Singular. Um, yes. But also gift gifts. One thing we have never gotten ourselves, but is often used in Peru. Florida water. No way. Can I smell it? Can I open it? Is that bad? Please. Okay. Florida water is the most confusing thing in the world to me because every time someone talks about it, I can never remember what it actually is and I just picture someone going to Florida scooping up alligator water. Yeah. Oh, so they actually kind of smells like mouthwash. We were in um Cusco and Puno, which the Oh my gosh. The altitude stuff. Did you have some cocoa cocoa cocoa leaves? Leaves tea. Yeah. Lots of tea and lots of candies, but they would drop that in your hand a

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little bit and you just like sniff it and it was supposed to help. Oh, wow. But then we watched this really really amazing offering ceremony which I recorded the whole thing. I audio recorded the whole thing. Oh, you did it in Cusco. Is it the one where they Yeah. So, it's slice open the alpaca. Oh, no. No. No. Well, I don't know why I went to that one. That's scary and sad. Yeah. But I guess that's part of their tradition and their culture. But so when we were in Cusco, our guide Washington, he's from Cusco and he has a friend who is a practicing Inca healer. He lives in this like tiny tiny remote village and his greatg grandmother is the last healer that has been chosen by mother earth by by mother nature. Do you know what the process is? Yes. and and I will post the audio that I recorded on our Patreon for people if you're interested in listening. It's like an hour

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describing it. It's the whole ceremony. Yeah. And it's in the language that they be there. Ketwin, I think is the language. And I'm sorry if I'm butchering it. And this is an encounters episode, by the way. So, we're starting with personal encounters and then we're going to tell you encounters that you shared with us. Yeah. Yeah, he did a whole offering ceremony and it was about like giving to mother nature and to the mountains cuz so cool the mother nature is like the feminine and the mountains are the masculine and those like the two like it's all about duality. It's really really cool. In the ceremony, they went around and it's like before you do the offering, they poured some of that in your hand and you rub it together and you had to do one, two, three, and then sniff it and then rub it in your hair like this. Ooh. Yeah. And it was a part of the ritual, which I thought was really cool. I like that. And I really loved they they were all about setting intentions beforehand. And this is an ancient practice that has truly been

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passed down through generations. his great-g grandandmother. She has traveled the world doing these healing rituals all over the world. She's 96 years old and she still does this. Oh my god. Yeah. And apparently she was struck by lightning as a child. No way. So she was born a regular human without any abilities necessarily. was struck by lightning, was unconscious for some time, and then everyone in her tribe recalled and like commented on the fact that after coming to and regaining consciousness, she seemed to have abilities. And what in the world? So, it's believed that mother nature chose her to be a healer. That is, oh my god, that is like the coolest thing I've ever heard. I know. The trip was awesome and I'll definitely talk about it more. I was I want to do an episode about Peru because I mean the fact that all of these ancient civilizations happen to lie upon the same axis and there's

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believed to be a lay line is kind of wild. But I mean when the Spanish came they really did change and alter the way that the Inca people or the Peruvian people lived as is common. like when people come in to take control of civilizations, they put their beliefs on it. But the Inca beliefs is not a religion. And I thought that was really interesting. It's just like a belie like a practice and a lifestyle. And our guide Washington was like, "It's sad because the only reason I know about these beliefs and I wake up every morning and I thank mother earth and mother nature for my day is because my grandparents and their grandparents have passed it down." But like the younger generations aren't getting that same knowledge and we are getting overwhelmed and congested by modernday Yeah. Yeah. That's like we don't get things passed down. It's more of like assimilate, be exactly who everyone else is right now

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in this time, right? And there is so much lost, but that it's really beautiful. Well, we're changing things over here. We're going to start collecting our hair that falls out in the studio and make hair wreaths. And you can make a hair wreath. I'm going to make bangs. Your own bangs? Yeah. I'm making clip on bangs. And we can start our own traditions and start passing it on to our children and to our friends and this little community. And great that you were talking about Peru. Yes. And the things that you learned from the indigenous people of Peru because we themed this encounters episode. Indigenous stories. So these stories were sent in by you guys. They either took place on indigenous lands or were sent in by people of the indigenous cultures. Yes. And this is a call to action. We want to hear more of your stories. If you are indigenous, if you live on a reservation, if you have stories, we want to hear them and we think it's important to share. So, it's more than a call to action. We're

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actually begging because let me get down on my hand stories we hear. So, we're craving them and we also want to hear like, you know, we learned throughout the years of our podcasting that you're not supposed to say certain words. Oh my gosh, the years that we said certain words. I was really happy doing the episode on Wendigo. It was interesting because it's like we we said certain words like windy boys and flesh pedestrians, the other terms for them. Yeah. But I remember when I was doing the episode on windy boys just how shocked I was because I was like, "Oh, if you actually do the research into the indigenous beliefs, this creature is like entirely different than what people put on the internet, right?" So, it is important. And who better to learn from than you yourself? I thought you were going to say us. I was like, not from us. No, no, not from us. We'll teach you about um I have nothing to give.

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I was going to I was like, there's nothing that we're like actually true experts in. Boom boom boom. But you know what? I don't claim to be an expert in anything and that's why I like to seek out other experts to learn and um you're gonna go first. Okay. You lost your iPad so we're sharing. Okay. This is called

the spirit looking in the window

the spirit looking in the window. My name is Aaliyah and I literally just started watching your YouTube videos last week and now I'm hooked. I've been spiritually open-minded and have always been empathic since I was a child. And now I'm 21 and I've been more drawn to spiritual work than ever. And I feel like I could be a witch. I feel like if you think you are, you are. True. If you want to be, you can be. That's what we're experts in, telling you you can be whatever you want to be. Ghosts are real. I have an encounter from when I was a child, and I will never forget it. I grew up in town, New Mexico, known for its beautiful scenery, its art, and the Cocoapelli. And I'm pretty sure where I

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was living at the time was on a native reservation, but I haven't done any research. I lived in a smaller trailer with my grandparents, my dad, my uncle, and my auntie. And I could have been maybe a little bit younger than 5 years at the time, but somewhere in that age range. I used to sleep in between my grandparents until my grandmother passed away due to a heart attack while sleeping. Oh. And it was like any other night this night with them trying to fight with me to go to bed because I hated it when it was time to go to bed. And I really wanted to stay up longer, but I succumbed to my exhaustion and I fell into this deep sleep. And then I started to dream. But I was in the same room that I've been familiar with my whole life. But it was weird because in this room there was a light in the room, but it was like it was rainy and cloudy. So maybe it was daytime, but it was dark and it felt eerie already. But I had the covers over my head instinctively knowing that this was my way of keeping myself safe and my feet covered as well. Obviously, somehow I can see through the blanket because dreams are weird. Mhm.

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And I looked towards the window that was on the right. And mind you, in real life, the curtains are always closed on that specific window. But then I saw something look in the window. And it looked like this stereotypical Halloween sheet ghost with cutout eyes. But it was looking for something. It was peeping very closely, looking for any movement. It was probably looking for me. Ew. It kept searching for what felt like forever until it left and then I officially woke up. And when I woke up, I didn't feel any sense of fear. I think maybe I was just curious and confused why I felt the need to keep myself covered in the dream. And one thing I did forget to mention is that my grandparents were not there. It was just me alone. And I kept having this dream. And I don't know why. It could have been maybe a week or maybe just 3 days. But I continued to have this dream night after night. It was the same thing. But my dream started to change. So now the ghost didn't appear in the window. And I was patiently waiting in this same spot looking for this ghost to show up. So I

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was confused. I had the covers over my head. I start to scan the room until I see in front of me. No, it's inside the ghost. I froze in that moment. It stood there until it noticed that my feet were exposed from the soft haven that had been protecting me for several nights prior. Not your toes. Now this is where fear ran over me. This thing is still looking at me and then suddenly it reached out and pulled me by my feet so forcefully it actually woke me up from my dream. I was so confused I stayed up until I fell asleep again. And then the next day I told everyone but of course no one believed me telling me, "Oh, it was probably just a nightmare." And then that night me and my grandparents were asleep and thank God I didn't have this dream anymore. But something far worse happened. Oh no. Oh gosh. Me and my grandparents were awoken by scratching on the walls. And this was not regular scratching. It sounded abnormal and slow and it felt like it went on forever. I sat in bed in fear while my grandparents

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sat in bed listening at the same time hearing this thing. After that, we all stayed up for the rest of the night. I could not sleep after what we experienced. Neither could they. I'm glad we never saw what made that noise because it did sound like it was coming from the outside. I'm glad it never happened again. But my grandparents were big skeptics and they didn't want to believe that I was experiencing anything paranormal or that this was paranormal. Saying that this was all just After that, they still said that, I guess. But also, you kind of have to tell kids sometimes that it's nothing like, oh, it was just a owl. It's interesting timing, though. It could have been a spirit that wanted to mess around with me or given where I was, the scratching came from one of those uh flesh pedestrians, which are very common where I live. And the whole looking in the window is also a common characteristic, right? It's an MMO. After that experience, I do feel like I've been pretty sensitive to understanding good and bad vibrations from places and people. And I have a really good intuition. I have been

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scratched. I have been bruised by entities that felt offended by me all while I was sleeping. And this doesn't bother me surprisingly. I now live in Denver, Colorado, and I live with a ghost who likes to move things around. He isn't bad. He just chills in my room and we just don't really bother each other. I'll be watching you ladies from now on and you guys have been helping get me through my 10hour graveyard shifts which I'm like are you in the graveyard shift or are you in the graveyard shift if it was like an actual graveard graveyard shift in a graveyard in a graveyard shift. Thank you and see you on the other side. Aaliyah, I don't like that this entity was waiting outside the window for night after night after night and and then the one night your toes are out. It's inside and it grabs your feet and then it knew that no one was going to believe you. It knew so much that it appeared in waking life to everyone else in sound form regardless

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of if you could physically see it or not. And it it was almost like mocking. Okay, let's think of it as this creature, this like Yeah. pedestrian being. I feel like most of the time with these entities, with these like spirit, you know, bad people cannibalizing turned beast stalking reservation land, it's usually like a physical manifestation, right? Like people are seeing these things. People are hearing things. People are hearing the scratches, the hi or like help, help, come. Yes. And so in a way Aaliyah did experience that with her grandparents. But it is interesting that there were all of these encounters before. So it did make me wonder, was this truly the spirit or like this creature, this being or was this something else trying to like warn and prepare her for something nearby that positive take that you always like to give? You have an

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expertise in finding a positive spin and I have an expertise in finding a darker spin. But then sometimes we we pivot. Sometimes we trade places. Very rarely. But yeah, I like that version. And it does sound like after this experience, Ellia became like very very open and in tune. So maybe we thank this experience for helping you tap into your witchiness. Yeah. I have one from our

ravenmocker encounter

listener KB. It is an Appalachin follow-up from a Cherokee citizen and a Raven Mocker story. Whoa. Which we covered Raven Mocker when we did a three-part series. I can't remember what episode. 317, 316, 318, something like I don't know. Hi ladies. First, I wanted to say that I am a tribal citizen of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. And I really enjoyed your three episodes on Appalachin Tales. Most people forget that the Cherokee are considered a southeastern woodland tribe because the large population resides in Oklahoma thanks to the Trail of Tears. As for

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Karin's concern about the Raven Mocker being the same as Bigfoot, there is no need to worry. Both are shape shifters. Also, remember when you did the Raven Mocker and you're like, "Mine's not that scary." It was terrifying. They're both shape shifters, but not considered the same being. Also a fun fact, the Bigfoot name Jalaki. Oh, that is Thank you so much for create like they created the pronunciation because this is spelled T S A L A G I. I would have never said Jaki aka the Cherokee word for Cherokee is utan julki. That's the name for Bigfoot. I like it. And given the the sounds, like when we listen to actual Bigfoot recordings, it almost kind of sounds like some of the sounds Bigfoot makes, right? The ooh, I did a high pitch. Sorry, I was Bigfoot going through puberty there. Bigfoot is thought to be a cosmic being, part of a three world cosmos that is not subject

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to the physical laws we are subject to. If you like Cherokee cryptids, I would also suggest looking into Spearfinger, Thunders, or Nanihi, the people who live forever. Nose goes Nanihi. See, this is why we like getting emails from you. Thank you. And also, I'm a little bit upset with the world because I felt like it was this new revelation a few years ago where people are like, "Bikfoot's interdimensional being and traveler." And it's like, look at the Cherokee. They apparently they understood what was going on way before this. Okay. Well, K has a book for you to read. Cherokee Earth Dwellers by Christopher Tuton and Hastings Shade as well as Cherokee Stories of the Turtle Island Liars Club. Oh, that sounds super interesting. You have my You have my attention. We'll also put those in the episode description in case you're like us and don't write down immediately what we just said. Okay, so now on to the Raven Mocker story. Several years back, one of our elders had an experience with a

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raven mocker. No way. He was at a family get together at a lake when he spotted an old woman watching them from behind a tree. This elder realized that despite knowing this woman, there was something seriously off about her. For starters, this woman was a family friend. There was no reason for her to be sneakily watching them from behind a tree, as she would have been welcomed with open arms had she approached the group. Mhm. Then there was also a fact that this woman was supposed to be out of town. On top of that, she looked wrong. Her arms were a little too long and her eyes were a little too dim. This elder approached the woman, declaring that she was a raven mocker, making a fairly large scene about it. And this woman panicked and quickly ran away from him. Within the next few days, one of the members of the family from this get together got very, very sick. Oh my god. They brought a medicine man in and luckily she was

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able to recover. When he spoke to the old woman the next time he saw her, she confirmed that she was indeed out of town and had never gone out to the lake. Oh, can I just say I really appreciate how quickly the response was, too. like this person saw was just like I know exactly what's going on here. Things are a little off and I'm going to call it out. And the woman, the raven mocker ran away, right? Like that's proof. And imagine if they didn't do it, right? What would have happened? How many more people would have gotten sick or maybe even died? This confirmed to the elder that this person he had seen was most definitely a raven mocker. I would love to hear more native stories if anyone shares them or if you ever do a deep dive. There's truly so much to cover and you do a great job every time. KB. Okay. Well, KB, you gave us a great list. Yeah, I think we're gonna cover probably all of this. Yes. Every single thing on there. It's one of those things where it's like I want to cover those stories, but I also want to do it justice. And I don't know. So, it's like, KB, do you

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want to email us more and share more with us so that we do it justice? Well, and that's like the hard thing. Like, that's one of the things that when I was researching Windy Boys a few years ago, like it was hard. I did, right? you really have to dig on the internet to find what hasn't been whitewashed or rewritten or Well, also, so I saw on a comment from our episode that we did um 322 of Reddit Appalachia Stories, I briefly mentioned Chief Cornstck and multiple people commented saying like Chief Cornstck was a real human, a real person who did get brutally murdered when he went to go do peace offerings with the colonizers, the settlers, but the whole cur verse was actually made up in a play and now people have adopted it and made it a real story, but it's not actually real. See, that's what's hard because things are dramatized and it's like what was like inspired by versus what has always been, right? It's difficult. Hi, Sabrina and Krin. I'm

flesh pedestrians or animals?

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back and this time I have some stories about flesh pedestrians. Okay, like I mentioned in my last email, I'm from Utah. I've lived there my whole life and as you know Flesh Pedestrian Ranch is in Utah and obviously majority of the state used to be and still is Native American land. Thankfully I've never been to this ranch nor do I ever want to because aside from the snakes there is nothing I'm more scared of than flesh pedestrians. Yeah. And then they write take a shot every time I say flesh pedestrians. We will be quite intoxicated. High on ghost stories. Okay. Okay, first I want to start with a story about my older brother and the first time I ever heard about flesh pedestrians. My family lived in a pretty rural area on the outskirts of a bigger town and people would often drive out to where we were with their unwanted pets and leave them there instead of taking them to a shelter. Curse those people. So, it was not uncommon to see stray dogs and cats out there. My older brother was a teenager in the late 2000s and ran around with these edgy kids. And

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I bring it up because imagine an emo kid with spiked skunk bleached hair wearing metal militia blasting a date to remember and obviously think that he's badass. This is not a dig. I always thought my brother was the coolest person alive. But I bring this up because he definitely was not the type to get freaked out or scared. But one night, after partying with his friends out in the middle of nowhere, right near where we live, he was driving home on these dark roads where there were no lights and no one else was on the road. While he's driving, a three-legged dog jumps out onto the road and is walking extremely slow. It seems like this dog is injured. So, my brother passes it, not thinking too much of it. When a couple minutes later, miles down the road, he sees again this exact same dog. And there's no way that this three-legged, injured dog could have ran ahead of my brother. My mom and I had been watching a TV show when he got home. It was around 1 or 2 a.m. And to this day, this is the most freaked out I have ever seen him. My mom was the one

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that told him that it probably wasn't a dog. It was probably a flesh pedestrian. Okay. So, this is the first time Shaye has ever heard the term. The term. Exactly. And it's associated now with seeing her brother panicked. Skip. A few years later, I discover your podcast. This isn't scary, more just funny. I used to live 2 and 1 half hours from my parents house, and to visit, I would have to leave immediately after work. So, leaving around 8:00 p.m., getting to my parents house around 10:30 or 11:00. And one of these times, as I'm driving home, I'm listening to one of your episodes, and it is about flesh pedestrians out in the middle of rural Utah at 10:00 p.m. I don't think any of your podcast episodes have scared me just how bad this one did. I was so scared that I drove the whole episode with my brights on so that I couldn't even look at the sides of the road because I was just so scared I would see something. I had to be so bad, but I was so nervous. I didn't even stop at a gas station. I just could not even sleep when I made it back to my parents. But

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when I did make it back from my trip, I was working and I told my coworker just how bad that episode scared me. And side note, she's also a big fan of your podcast. Shout out to your coworker. Shout out to Shayla's coworker. She goes on to tell me that she has a story about a flesh pedestrian and one of her family friends. And this is what I remember her telling me. So, this might not be completely accurate, but this is what I remember. I don't know the name of the family friend, but for this story, I'll call him Jay to make it easier. So, Jay was serving on a Latter-day Saints mission, and I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in Arizona near a reservation. And Jay and his companion were told to never be on the reservation after dark, which isn't that weird because a lot of people are told to be home before dark on every mission and not to stay out late. Yeah. One night, Jay and his companion get caught up teaching someone on the reservation, and they don't leave until after dark. Obviously, they don't want to get in trouble for breaking the rules, so they get out of there, and they try to get home quickly. And while they're speeding off, Jay turns and

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looks out the passenger side window and sees a coyote running alongside them. Both he and his companion are like, "Okay, that's weird." But they continue, and they drive faster and faster. And the whole time they're driving, the coyote is keeping pace with them. Right before they're about to leave the boundary of the reservation, they look over and the coyote is now running on its hind legs. But as soon as I left the reservation, this coyote disappeared. My coworker didn't have any more details about what happened after that, she told me this story, and I was so freaked out that my eyes actually started watering. I still have a hard time looking at the sides of the road while I'm driving at night. Anyway, those are my flesh pedestrian stories. I hope you like them. I hope it freaked you out as much as they did for me. I love and appreciate you girls. Hope you have the best day. Love, Shaylee. Definitely freaked me out. I I just what's the purpose? I guess that's like the big question is what happens when it gets you? You know, what happens when

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you pull over on the side of the road to help the dog thinking that it's an injured dog? What happens if you don't have stories because nothing good happens? Right. I I'm a little I don't Can you tell I'm flustered? I I feel like because so we recently added all of these curtains, the blackout curtains in the office and I'm aware that there's windows behind them and every little sound I'm like is someone standing on the other side of the window. Luckily, it's daytime. It is freaky. the coyote thing. I know they're saying that it's a flesh pedestrian, but like why in my mind do I feel like people have these amazing abilities and like these shamanic healers and and native healers and stuff can shapeshift and basically like make sure people either it's like making sure they get off the reservation safe or like a warning like you better be careful. I'm going to escort you out. You keep having these positive twists, guys. I need to to be able to sleep. I

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like the I had campfire stories without you and I did not I had nightmares from it even I thought it was a heartwarming one. Oh no it was the episode before or it was the week before I had nightmares but the heartwarming one people did not listen. We got one heartwarming story. I was like thanks you guys. I have one

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called someone's watching me. I always feel like and didn't I just say I feel like someone's watching us through the window. So perfect timing. Okay. This is from our listener Selena. Hey ghouls, I just wanted to start by saying I'm not sure how I have never seen your podcast before because I love horror, mystery, and all things spooky, as well as a good podcast. So, the fact that I barely started to listen in is beyond me. But anyway, I'm glad I found it. I love your podcast and have been watching literally every day while I cook. So, I am excited to keep hearing these awesome stories. All that to say, I've been inspired to send in my own. So, without further ado, I'll get right into it. In order to explain it correctly, I feel like you need some context. My name is Selena. I

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am 21 years old. I am a mom to a 4-month old baby girl. I moved into my fiance's house about half a year ago before I had my daughter. I am Native American and I live on reservation land. And when I was younger, I also lived on the reservation. Right now, we live about 30 to 40 minutes from a national forest that is pretty thick woods all around here. And there's a lot of ancestral energy. Mhm. My family and I have all been super susceptible to the paranormal and it also plays a huge role in my culture. So, growing up, I have been exposed to the world of all things paranormal. My mother has told me countless stories of what she has seen and experienced. And I too have experienced my fair share of strange noises, doors shutting on their own. But I am what I would say is more sensitive to feeling and hearing the other side more than seeing. But I also do see the other side. And there are entities that have been following me throughout my life. I have been watched my whole life. Whoa. Whether good or bad, I have been

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able to clearly feel and see what I can only name to be entities. And I'm not sure why. Maybe my sensitivity has created me to be a passageway. But when my mother was pregnant with me, she said that she could feel my spirit, my little baby feet, walk up her back and out of her body to go wonder and wander the world and play. What? And then she would feel that when I was done, my little feet walking back down her back, back into her body. I am flabbergasted. Flowers? Ghasted? What the What are flubbers? I don't know. I have no idea. Are they your titties? And what is being gasted? But your flast. I'm a ghast. My flabbers are a ghast. Whatever those are. I don't know. But oh my god, that is like wa. This is a unique one. We've never heard of this. I've never heard of this. Yeah. But I love that. So my mom would say wonder if I was a flesh pedestrian, but not the scary kind. I've always been able to

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teeter this line of life and death through my spirit. And even now, I feel like my spirit is older and has lived many lives and has created a more sheer veil between the spirit world and our physical world. I feel as though I am a walking light in pitch blackness in the spirit world, which is why spirits are drawn to me because they are following my energy and my light. I mean, I want to meet you, Selena, right? This is so cool. Okay, so all of my life, I have seen something watching me. I have seen things out of the corner of my eyes. I used to see things walking home with me from the bus stop. I'd have frequent run-ins with vultures, the bird on my walk to school and early morning dusk. I frequently walked with my eyes to the ground, maybe from subconsciously just trying not to look for things in the trees or in the distance, but also because I walked downhill to get to my house. One day, I was walking home and right beside my feet, I saw large black work boots walking next to me. I'm not sure if this person was my protector,

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walking me home, as I would have frequent run-ins with reservation dogs and wild animals that would definitely scare me on my way home. And this man to me felt like he was walking next to me, just walking me home. I also forgot to mention once I saw those same boots walking next to me, I looked up, but there was nothing there. I was little, so of course I was frightened and I ran the rest of the way home. I'm not sure if the spirit was good or bad, but I was very spooked. It does feel kind of like you were saying, like an escort. Mhm. Although I don't know because Yeah, cuz Selena's so in tune that like just being spooked. It's just like are you spooked from the experience or are you spooked from the energy? Cuz I feel like you have to trust your intuition here. She said she doesn't know if it was good or bad. Okay, fast forward to about 3 or 4 years ago. I lived in a very spooky apartment where I felt malevolent spirits. I even felt them put their hands on my back. I had heard them scream my name in my ear. They were definitely mischievous. Okay, now fast forward again to about one or two years ago now at my last apartment where my now fiance would often spend time there. One time we were cuddling and we felt a

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hand slide over my side/ my back where our hands were both placed while cuddling. We both felt it and it scared the out of us. Another time my fiance was lying next to me and something literally picked up his leg, lift it in the air. It was insane to see. It looked like someone pulled his leg. Mind you, it moved his whole torso upwards. There was no way he could have done it himself. What is happening with your family? What? Maybe they were like, "You guys are too close pulling him away." He said it felt like someone ripped his leg up in the air. So all this to get to the present. Now I'm living at my fiance's house with a very active spiritual energy here. So this land is very old. There are lots of spirits that live here. His mother lived here her whole life with her parents, and I'm sure their parents also lived here. So, this land is very old, rich with history and energy. Also, my fiance's father died in

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this house, and I'm sure his spirit is here as well. I actually believe that this is the spirit my daughter sees and likes to talk to. No way. She'll look at the ceiling or look past me, like behind me, and starts randomly giggling at something she sees. But my fiance's father is not the spirit that has been creeping on me. Oh. Recently, I have been seeing something standing in doorways. I've seen what looks like an older lady in a blue night gown in the kitchen doorway. And then I've seen a tall black figure through the kitchen next to the door on the other side. I keep seeing this one little kid that likes to run past me, especially when I'm in the bathroom since the mirror is facing down the hall. So, when the door is open, I see this little kid run in the mirror behind me down the hall. This is a lot of spirits in one place. So many. I was thinking like, "Oh, here's the person who's creeping on me." It's like, "Well, actually, there's this place is riddled with ghosts, and it depends on what room you're in, what time of day it is." The old lady in the blue dress makes me think an ancestor or something if this house has been in the family for a really long time. But there's a tall shadow figure. There's a

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little kid. And now there's also the most persistent spirit that is always creeping and only showing about part of his head. Half of his head and one shoulder in the top corner of the doorway. always only in the corner peeking at me just waiting for me to react and look. I like to try and see what it does so I don't fully look at it and I can just see it out of the corner of my eye and I stare straight ahead without moving my eyes just trying to see it watch me and I see it's watching. It's creeping me out further. Every time I get completely freaked out so I always end up looking over in fear that if I don't maybe it will creep all the way out and what happens then? Will it run at me? That's what scares me more than anything. Yeah, that's the big one. It's just watching me. Always watching me. Always watching. I want to watch that movie. Wasowski. I love that movie. We should dress up as Mike and Sully. Obviously, I'm Mike. I

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wanted to be Mike. Okay, you can be Mike. That's fine. Anyway, this entity is still watching. Selena, thanks for reading if you made it this far. You guys are awesome. Um, I hope you enjoyed a little spookiness. That is my life. Yeah, your life is very spooky. I feel like at first we were like, "Wow, Selena is so powerful." Which I definitely don't disagree with that like little baby body going off to explore when her mom is pregnant with her, but part of me was like, "Does this happen all the time?" But it's just Selena's mom was also so tapped in that she felt it. Feel it? Yeah. I mean, we've heard so many stories of like siblings knowing each other before they're born or Yeah, I guess like it depends on when the soul decides to pop in, right? Like Selena was chilling in the womb, right? But, you know, based on other stories, it does seem like sometimes the siblings will be hanging out just willy-nilly playing with their other siblings until it's time to be born and then they're like, "Let me hop on in. I got to Yeah. Yeah. Vault myself

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into here. Go through the canal." Well, it also reminds me of the Gateway tapes, too, where it's like all these spirits just hanging out in this other realm. Like, it makes me think that Selena could listen to the Gateway tapes and like so easily go over there. Yeah. Oh my gosh. What? We So, I was talking to M from That's why We Drink and we were talking about my experience of like, oh, I think that maybe I haunted myself in my childhood home and that I think that maybe there's like our theory that there's another my postpartum depression anxiety piece chipped off. Yeah. Fractured. Yeah. Fractured. But Emma had a new theory. Which I was like, "Oh my god." They said, "What if these people like the the version of you that was in your kitchen, the version of you that was at your childhood home like stroking your hair, what if these are all not the chipped off version of you, but you finally figuring out through shadow work or through meditation or whatever, how to go back and these are just a few times that you actually got caught."

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That's fun. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, interesting." So, it was less of like these are pieces that you have to bring back and more of just like maybe you're visiting all of these times and like because these were such visceral times in your life so traumatic where like you have such an anchor that when you are trying to do this astral projection when you are trying to go through hypnosis or whatever these are some of the like the easier access points for you to access when you're there so much emotion there. Yeah. And so that's why I was invisibly seen because I was early on in my practice. get like weird vibes though from seeing. She was a little freaked out cuz it was sleep paralysis and the person looked like me but not perfectly like me. Yeah. Em and I were going back and forth. I was like, "Too bad we don't do drugs." Like we could be like, "Wow." Em was putting a positive spin on it as well. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't need him for that conversation, but pretty wild. But yeah, no, that made me think like, "Oh, maybe maybe we really do do the gateway tapes and maybe that's when I suddenly find myself clear our schedule next week." And uh truly but then that's when

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we got into this sorry this is such a side tangent but then Emma and I were getting into this conversation where it's like well what are timelines and different dimensions because in my memory I have this person who looks like me coming back and stroking my hair but Emma's like now knowing that you stroked your hair could you do something different and I was like well if I do something different is that me creating a new timeline and I still don't get to go back like well is that how glitches in the matrix happen? Like is that how like let's I'm going to use Baronstein Bears as an example because that's like the one that everyone knows. What if the person who wrote Baronstein Bears had this like revelation that they could go back and do something and they're like I always wish I had written the title in a different way. Yeah. And it changed everything but it doesn't change the memory of everyone else. Oh. Oh, interesting. I don't know. Weird. Well, there's like no way to know because it's only me. I'm the only one experiencing it. So, I'm curious what people think while we're talking and having these

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conversations. Like, what are you experiencing as you listen to this? Like, what are you thinking? Are you thinking you guys are crazy? Did you get completely lost? Are you Well, I guess like to give a small amount of context cuz we just went right into it. Yeah. This is in reference to the theory that I'm haunting myself from the future because I have an experience in my childhood home in a time when I was getting bullied where there was this woman who came out of the mirror and would like stroke my hair and she felt good vibes. Then postpartum depression and anxiety. My neighbor saw me in my kitchen when I wasn't there. My mom saw someone who looked like me in a sleep paralysis state hovering over her in the guest bedroom. And so we were talking about how like maybe this is me going back like I haunted myself or these are pieces of me tripped off during dramatic and traumatic times of my life. Say more traumatic than dramatic. It's both. It's the drama. Shakespeareian. And so we're just trying to figure out what the hell happened cuz the woman in the mirror looks a lot like me now. So that's the context in case you didn't hear that

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theory like 80 episodes ago and you're not listening in order. In order. Yeah. I don't know. Mind Mine And now another song. Call my flabbers ghasted. Ghasted. This is called Sven Puckwajis

sven, pukwudgies and my 1920s spirit guide

and my sassy 1920s spirit guide. Love it. This is from Sage. She her. Hello beautiful. No ghouliful ghostesses. Oo, even more sultry. I know. Sven Leia and fellow phantoms. This is my first email to you, and I've been binge listening since March when I found your podcast after searching for spooky stories. I adore the light-hearted yet sincere energy you ladies bring. It balances out the heebie-jebies that come with the amazing stories that you tell. And I've been working backwards from newest to oldest while staying current with the new releases. Lots of compliments. Thank you. And also, I appreciate your your approach of listening to the new releases while going back and catching up because then you understand how we've improved and changed and grown, how

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we've gotten divorced and married and had a child and you've become my child. I'm regressing in life clearly. No, you're not. Just going back. Start over and are you okay? No. I think I'm having a stroke. What were you gonna say? I was just thinking like in another not even what the in another seven years or however long we were doing this. I was just thinking like what if you do unironically just start talking and baby talk. I really hope not. My god, forget you doing positive spins. That's like a Jeez. I'm a Yes. And I was going with you. Be happy. Well, maybe babies are happy. Oh gosh, my Aquarius moon self can't simply start from the beginning. Lol. I'm lost in the triangle and I am loving it. Okay, so this is an explanation of my native name. My father is White Mountain Apache and I was born in and

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have lived in Wampaoag territory my whole life. My father buried my placenta by the reservation sacred circle and planted a cedar tree on top. And my first light ceremony was at the ledge. During my father's time as an indigenous history ceremony, I'm so curious. I don't know. Share more with us. Sage. Yes. I'm also gonna probably butcher some of these pronunciations, so I'm very sorry. During my father's time as an indigenous history educator for Plymouth Plantation, now known as Plymouth Patukit. I was very young. I was 3 or four years old. And I would frolic through the grounds as he worked. I would stay within his sighteline, of course, but I would still watch women weaving baskets and see machines, which are canoes, out on the lake. I would hear tourists asking questions. I would pick myself a handful of berries. I would smell the sweet smoke of the nearby fire. And I would walk in circles, taking it all in. The other educators who helped to look after me noticed this, and I was named Wandering

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Woman. That's such a good name. Wow. So now Sage, we're gonna call you Wandering Woman, if that's okay. So the audio to your podcasts have always been crystal clear. That is until Sven was introduced. Dun dun. Almost immediately after hearing you two mention that Sven sometimes messes with listeners, my audio started to skip, pause itself repeatedly, or just freeze. And this lasted about a week. And sometimes the audio would still pause itself, and I would just say, "Hi, Sven." And then it would stop. Oh my god, I love this. I haven't had any other podcast related incidents other than Sven, but he seems cool. Just tell him to stop messing with the audio, maybe. Or could he maybe ceue up some good music at least? Sven's your new local DJ personal DJ. While celebrating the new year this spring, our chief was speaking about our histories. And during King Phillip's War, Metac Comet's sons reported that small people, Puckwedgies, had shot at

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them with flurries of small arrows. They were forced to retreat and change their course. And later, while cleaning up, I asked my uncle if he had heard any other stories about pukajis. And he paused and said, "Yes, but the people don't like talking about them." Interesting. It can attract puckwaji activity. However, my uncle did offer some advice. They like silver. They like shiny trinkets. They're like crows. They're gross. So, my uncle always carries nickels and dimes with him just in case he needs a distraction. He would throw them and run away in the opposite direction. My uncle also said that he's heard of someone in the tribe having a clear photo of a pugwaji and that he would ask around to see if we can get it. Yes, please. If I do get to see it, I'll be sure to send it in an email. I also had a guide on a Plymouth ghost tour tell a story about the time that one of the ghosts followed him home. He would see it at night, standing at the edge of the yard amongst the trees, just looking towards the

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windows, watching, waiting. But now, here's a story about Mity. Mity is very sassy, bold, and opinionated in the best way, always offering me sound advice, never sugarcoating anything, and while also being hilarious and cheering me on. When I would first start seeing Mity a few years ago, I would say, "You are only allowed in my space if you are of love and light with good intentions that align with mine. I've never gotten bad vibes." And so Mity never really bothered me. At first, she would appear every now and then. Usually only when I was getting ready, needed to go out, needed a blunt pep talk. Social anxiety, am I right? And one day when I asked her name, at first I heard something like Bonnie. But then when I listened harder, she was clearly saying Mity loudly sounding it out for me. I immediately Googled it and read Mity is a girl's name of German origin, meaning faith of God, but more popularly known as a fun vintage name from the 1920s. So Mity is beautiful. Think Carrie Mulligan as

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Daisy in the Great Gatsby, but with a stronger New York accent. Her blonde hair and finger waves ending at the jawline with a plain black headband. No feathers for this girl. With a flirty smirk, she once told me she doesn't need them. Wait, so you're just seeing her and hearing her like you're hearing us and seeing us? This is what it sounds like. She usually wears a silver and white flapper dress usually. So, she's got outfit changes and smokes a cigarette with a long black holder. I Googled that, too, to confirm the timeline. and I saw that the cigarette holder became a fashion accessory for women in the early 1920s and remained popular until the 1960s. Wow. Mity is a very caring and very maternal, although in a very sarcastic, tough love and warm and comforting way. I think I always knew deep down that she was a friend or maybe a family member of mine from a past life that I lived around the 1920s. That's cool. Plus, the look and feel about her aligned with that time period. But for now, she seems to be acting like a spirit guide. Nowadays, I almost

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always see Mity in the bathroom while I'm getting ready or even if I'm just using the sink. And she's super respectful of my privacy, though. I love that. So, as long as I'm decent, and those are her words, decent. She'll be a few steps away, leaning against the wall, between the window and the cabinet, smoking her long cigarette, ashing it between witty remarks. Are you kidding me? This is the coolest thing. I I'm like, can you record your conversations? Like, I I But have a podcast with Mity. Yeah, me and Mity. There's your podcast name. She keeps me company as I do my skincare routine. And I'm actually more comfortable closing my eyes to rinse my face now, knowing that she's got my back and keeping watch out for spookers. I feel like she's my own personal spirit bouncer, ready to throw some hands with anyone who dares to come and mess with me. And I would do the same for Mity. I have a lot more stories to share, including the time that my friends and I accidentally summoned a demon with a pendulum, my neighbor's alien encounter, and a spirit that attached itself to me in a Salem church

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girl. And this thing later choked me. Rude. We ended up banishing it right then and there in the bathroom of a pizza place. Wandering Woman, Sage, you have lots of stories to tell us. Stay spooky. See you on the other side. And apparently Wandering Woman came to Arts at the Armory. Whoa, why did I? I'm like really shoving myself all over the place in Boston. Yeah, our live show. So, she's local. Which pizza place? I'm scared. You banished it in there. Is the pizza place now haunted? Or did was it already haunted? Is that I don't know. I We have questions. We have questions for you and for Mitsy. I really want to meet you, but is it rude of me to say that perhaps I want to meet Mitsy more? Can we have a double date? Karen, Sabrina, Mitsy, and Sage. Like, how does one get a Mitsy? Yeah. I'm curious like at what point in your life Sage I'm like talking to Sage as if she's did Mity appear to you because it sounds did like when Mitsy first appeared there was like a

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hey you're only allowed here if you're a good positive full of light spirit but when and why did she appear right so cool I feel like people in this episode specifically we're getting stories like we've never heard them before. I know. Powers unlocked. Okay.

UFOs on the reservation

Well, Sage promised us a UFO story later, but I have a UFO story for us now. Great. This is from our listener, Frankie. This is called UFO Sighting. Hello, darlings. I love your podcast and I would like to introduce myself. I'm Frankie. I'm from Montana and I live in a small town on the border of Canada. I'm a 17-year-old girl and from such a young age, I have seen and heard the unexplained. I am native and very in tune with other worldly things. So, a few years ago, my mother and I were headed home from the gym. And this gym is in the middle of town, but you have to drive up and down this empty valley to get there. It's very rural. So, we were driving and both at the same time saw this silver disc in the sky. It was

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about the size of a dime to us, but it was up in the sky. We then both creepily at the same time said, "Do you see that?" Well, we get through the valley and we continue to see it moving further away from us and it's above some wheat fields out of town. At that point, it was moving super fast. Well, naturally, my mom and I wanted to get a better look at it, so we drove closer and we had to drive through the trees. And when we got through the trees, it just simply disappeared. It was an experience that I will never forget. It was insane. I kept that in mind and I moved on. So last summer, August, September of 2024, I was traveling for work and I was down in Wyoming at the time in a town called Wheatland. And now it was very normal for me to experience weird things because I was working on sacred Native American sites, sometimes looking at burials because that was my job to analyze and record them. And at this time, I'm in my truck with three other co-workers. One was driving and the other two were asleep. I'm looking into the sky and I see it, a similar disc. It

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was cloudy out and this disc changed from silver to white the second it passed through the clouds. I was embarrassed to say anything until the moment it disappeared. So I asked my coworker if he saw it and he said he didn't. But that Cheyenne, the area we were in, was constantly holding aircraft experiments all the time. So he didn't find it odd and I didn't either. But it looked almost exactly the same as the one that I saw with my mom and it disappeared the same way. I've also been told that seeing this can mean something of another world is protecting you. And in my childhood, before I even knew what aliens were, I was having nightmares about them. I had nightmares of seeing UFOs and being abducted. So, I find it very strange and don't know what to make of it. I have many other ghost stories and strange stories I can send into. Anyway, hope you're both well and have a lovely day. Okay, Frankie, your words, not mine, but I had the exact same thought when you were saying that you saw it for the second time, like that same familiar disc. I was like, "Well, of course, because so many alien encounters, UFO encounters end up being

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this like longitudinal study where you've been abducted your whole life and you don't even know it." Sounds like he knows it or thinks it and feels it. I mean, having those nightmares. Yeah. What were the nightmare? Like, do you remember all the details of the nightmares? Have you ever tried hypnosis? I know. We need to know more. Oh, you know what's Okay, so Payne and his team are working on High Strange season 2 and Dylan was up in Oregon and driving through areas trying to study cuz there's a bunch of like cow mutilations and stuff happening. And so he was going through this rural area of Oregon trying to talk to police and like vets and people who have been seeing these cow mutilations. And he walks into a vet and he talks to someone at the front desk and is like, "Hey, I'm working on this podcast. Hi, Strange. And the woman who, shout out to Quincy, goes, "Oh, I've never heard of it, but my favorite podcast is Two Girls, One Ghost." That is crazy. And then Dylan blew her mind and was like, "I'm going

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to text her right now." And so Quincy apparently took that as a sign to email us. So if you haven't emailed us yet, Quincy, email us because that is your sign. Wa, that is so cool. Isn't that crazy? Holy I didn't even hear about all the cow mutilations. Yeah. So, they're for High Strange season 2, they're trying to like get a more like global understanding of things and talk to cuz there is a lot happening, a lot of alien stuff. Well, they just released for New England, like one of the flights out of Boston. They just released the audio from uh one of the planes like the pilots seeing stuff and they're they're like panicked. You can hear it in their voice. They're like, "There's a thing. It's on the left. Wait, no. Oh my gosh, it just went." And they're like narrating it the whole time. So they're not even being like the normal serious voices that oftentimes you're like I'm calling it an aircraft or whatever. They're like, "Oh, it's here. Oh no, it's there." And there was this thing that was like darting around the coast. And yeah, one of the pilots from Logan Airport in Boston, two pilots called it in and they

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released that audio of them freaking out. I want to listen to it. Yeah. Well, I saved it. I'll send it to you. Okay. Wow. Well, I feel like this episode encompassed a lot of things. There was there was a lot a lot of banter, Peru, indigenous story. We had SWS, uh, Raven Mocker, what is a tie aliens. Wow. I'm going to end with just like a a note from one of our listeners, Shannon, who is a native, and wanted to offer us an alternative to cleansing with sage. Shannon said that I grow sweet grass, which is another way to smudge and cleanse. Another way is to use cedar leaves. Several times during the summer, I harvest and I make braids. The smell is divine. It could be burned, obviously, or just place around the house or a car. And she said she wanted to send us some. Oh, please, please. But then said, "Here's how you can use sweet grass. It's much more than a nice smelling plant. It can be burned. It represents the connection of humans to earth and sky and is used in many

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ceremonies and prayers. Typically, sage is burned first to cleanse and purify, but then is followed by sweetg grass to attract good energy and good spirits, and it's easy to grow. And one other thing that we want to grow is our inbox of ghost stories. Do you like that segue? That was good. Thank you. So, email us all of your encounters. Email us at two girls onego podcastmail.com. If you don't know what our email is, it's on our website. It's on our social media. It's also in the show notes. Yeah, you can rate, review, tell everyone about us, follow us on socials, and shout out to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces the podcast. If you want episodes ad free, one week early, you can check us out on Patreon. We also have bonus episodes that we do every month that's exclusive to Patreon as well as Campfire Stories where you can share your stories live in a like-minded community that exists on a private Zoom call with us, private. Um, I'm also gonna post the audio clip from the Peruvian Inca healer session.

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Washington. Um, Washington was our guide. Oh, I can't remember the man's name. I think it started with an E. Um, it's in the audio. He was such a sweet man. Spoke no English. Like truly only spoke his native language and was chewing cocoa leaves the entire time as he should. But I'm going to post that on Patreon, too. So, if you want to listen to that. Perfect. We love you guys. Love you very much. See you on the other side. Very spooky.