Did His Consciousness Leave His Body? | Haunted wtih Jake Haendel of Blink the Podcast

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Hello. What is up? This is Two Girls Ghost and today for our Haunted with episode, Sabrina and I bring you a very special guest. Someone who I have been working with for a few years as friends and also co-creators of the podcast Blink. Jake Handle story. We have Jake joining us. Jake's story is wild. And if you haven't listened to Blink yet, there's seven episodes out of the 14 episode series. He is someone who has survived literally the impossible. He was given 6 months to live. Diagnosed with this incurable brain disease that no one has ever survived before. He's truly the only survivor in the entire world and he was experiencing lockedin syndrome which is basically you're in this pseudo coma and nobody knows that you're actually consciously in there. But what's more is there's some supernatural weird spooky things that happened. So Jake is joining us for this episode to tell us a little bit about his story, but then also to share with us what it was like to maybe die and his experience with astral projection and

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his sort of internal self-help therapy retreat where he splits his consciousness into two. So I really hope you enjoyed this episode. Sabrina and I are very excited to present it. Without further ado, Jake Handle of Blink. Very spooky.

Jake took a tumble

So, you took a tumble. Yeah. You took a spell a little bit. You were traversing my sidewalk. I said, "There's no ice." Well, you took two more steps and there was And there was ice. It was really icy. And you were like, "It's so much better now. No ice." And it's all slush.

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And then there was a ice cube. Big one. And um so grateful for your security system because now we can relive that moment forever. Check out Miracle Man on TikTok. It's coming out. Well, you did say that this was good cuz you had a fear of falling and now it's now it's happened. It may be the worst of conditions falling onto icy stone, right? Yeah. And yet I'm still terrified to fall. But when I go to PT from here, they're going to be like, "That's so great." And I'm really like, "You want to see?" We helped you out. Look at that. sidewalk. Every single time I've always gone out and like held your arm or or like just been so paranoid and this time I was like, "Oh, there's no ice." And I said, "Let me know where you want me or if you need my help." And I turned my back. We took two steps and boom. Yeah. And also the launch party February 2nd. You're like, "Oh, he's walking on stage now." Right. I'm like, "Jake is fine. He's walking on his own." It's a It's a [ __ ] process this. Well, we're glad that you're here and congrats to both of you with all the

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success of Blank and also your story is incredible and also a little bit spooky. I mean, in in multiple ways, it is a whole Yeah. board of It's everything. For people who maybe don't know and haven't been listening to our podcast in order. Jake and I have a podcast called Blink, Jake Handle story, which is I narrate and host, but it is really just about Jake and his life and miraculous recovery from an in thought to be incurable brain disease and some of the interpersonal kind of crazy storylines that weave that. Do you want to just give kind of like a quick overview of like what happened to you? Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. One thing I'll add to that is, you know, I've been in the media for quite some time and they've only had 20% of the story. Like, it's all real and factual and true. But blink, what we're doing, as you know, I don't need to tell you is all the the tea, the real

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details, the complex family dynamic. Another thing about Blink and about your story and you saying it's all factual. I think one of the very unique things with your story is that everything has been documented because of what happened to you and because of the medical situation that you were in, there is quite literally a huge paper trail. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say in a future episode, we got to let people know how many pieces of paper there are because court records, medical records, legal records, how many things you've had to sign your name to like allow me to access too. And then let's not forget that I wrote half of my experience by iblink. Mhm. Uh, which might be getting ahead of ahead of ourselves here because they're like, why would he write by eyeblink? This guy walked in here with only one tumble. He fell in here. Sky is like wet and, you know, sitting

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on a beach towel in February. Yeah. So,

how Jake ended up in a coma

you know, I lived kind of a double life. I was a head executive chef. I was also a drug dealer. I sold kind of anything. And the reason for that was my mom was terminally ill. My dad moved away and, you know, kind of knew that she was going to die and I'm like in high school and I'm like, how the hell am I going to take care of myself, you know? So, the logical step in my mind was sell drugs. So, I did not listen to Biggiey's advice. never get high on your own supply. And I turned into a real addict, primarily using opiates, which led to heroin. I never injected. I smoked it all the time. But I was also a head executive chef. So, you know, I'd be freebasing heroin in the bathroom and

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then I'd whip up some fancy whatever and I'd walk it out my chef whites to the VIPs and glad hand them high as hell. But you the only people that knew were in the know, you know. Mhm. So, I'm newly married, trying to get clean, and I feel weird one day, and my voice is higher pitched. So, a lot of people are saying like, "Are you drunk?" And I'm like, "No, it's 7:00 a.m. I'm going to work. You should go to the hospital. You should get checked out." I'm like, "No, I'm fine." You know, and then it was balanced and ambulance was called. I could hop on the gurnie, you know. I was like pretty functioning to get into the ER. Um, they thought I was having a stroke. I knew I wasn't having a stroke because it had been going on for 2 weeks and they were like, "Is there any drug use?" And I'm like, "Yeah, lots and very

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honest about that." So, it wasn't until they heard my voicemail and my voicemail and my voice were completely different. They're like, "Oh." So, they admit me, emergency MRI, and uh in the morning I wake up, I'm diagnosed with an extremely rare terminal brain disease called acute toxic progressive lucphylopathy. basically meaning I had 6 months to live and the white matter in my brain is just being eaten away at a rapid pace. Um, so I was going to lose all function until I slipped into a coma. Uh, died. What was it like receiving that news? It was heavy. I mean, I remember I said out loud, um, I'm [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] And then I was like, how did this happen? And they were like, "Inhalation of a toxin." And I'm like, "What toxin?"

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And they're like, "Well, thanks for being honest about your drug use, likely heroin." I'm like, "Yeah, but like why am I the only one sick?" Because I was rolling with a crew of 40 people and I sold it, right? That sucks that I did that because that's like the worst [ __ ] ever and so addicting. I mean, honestly, it was like a full life review, really intense, rapid thoughts. I got this news and I'm seeing my mom, seeing me running on a beach when I'm sick, seeing like happy times, teenage life. I'm seeing like bad times and then I'm questioning how I went so wrong and ended up in this situation. And I'm thinking about my mom who I watched dying. And right the thoughts are like so fast but it's also a lot of visual thoughts and then that's like life review but kind of simultaneously

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was thinking about everything I wasn't wanted to do and wouldn't be able to do right and a lot of thoughts about my wife because I was madly in love with her right and what year was this? 2017 Memorial Day weekend. Wow. And now it's 2025. So clearly you survived. The six months to live that they gave you was they were incorrect. But I am the only case of survival in the world. Wow. So they were incorrect in my case, but they should have been correct. And I have zero explanation why I'm here talking to you and why were Megan Blink. Yeah. Maybe there's a question as to how or why you're the only person to survive this. But now knowing you and knowing what you went through and sort of like the mental battle that you fought I think is super interesting and might have contributed to your survival. So I think a couple of the things that I would love for you to share with us today would be well

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there's three. So one what it was like to die. Mhm. What happened then when you split yourself kind of into two and you had that self-help therapy retreat. And then the third thing kind of like the discovery that some of the visions that you were seeing when you were quote unquote like in a coma and not able to see how you kind of made the connections that maybe you were having some real life experiences and not just living in hallucination. Yeah. Cuz we've been talking a lot about consciousness and like where does consciousness and the soul live? And I think your experience when you were in a coma like and I don't know all the details but from what Karina has told me you're about to hear it feels like it explores that question. Did you believe in the paranormal prior to your diagnosis and how do you feel about the paranormal now? Well, I'll start with I don't know what the hell I believe in anymore from what I went through and nothing surprises me

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anymore. Right. Now, when you say paranormal, I my head goes to like, does like weird crazy [ __ ] happen? I believed in that. Did I believe in a ghost, per se? Like, as in the ghost uh that we all see on Halloween coming in and [ __ ] with you like, no, I don't think I believed in that. But I did believe in like weird possessed type like the darker side in a way. But I also definitely am a skeptic. Sure. So, you were a little more like heaven and hell. I don't think I believe in heaven and hell either. Well, I don't know if I do either. Yeah. I don't know what the truth is. I think there's energy and it goes somewhere. I'm I'm like answering from from Yeah. Before before and I'm still kind of a skeptic. I don't believe in. So, you're a skeptic but you're open and you don't know what to believe. And nowadays I think I'm more open because these out of body experiences, you know,

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because I'm such a skeptic. I was like, how can this be real? I don't believe in this, but it's happening to me and I'm logical. I think I first talked about it on a blog and I literally wrote in that like I'm scared to like say this out loud cuz I don't want people to think I'm like insane. Yeah. Right now. I'll answer your one, two, three. Okay. And

what it was like to die

the first one was like, "What was it like to die?" Yes. Okay. So, I was listening to these doctors basically say, "He's not going to make it till Christmas." I would overhear that. Survive. Well, he won't make it till New Year's. I survive. He's got hours left. I kept hearing this and I kept living. And then I'm like, damn, I might like have full life expectancy but be stuck like this forever, which was way scarier than death in that state. Stuck like just for everyone like where you have no

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mobility and yeah, you're like trapped inside your body. I had like the most severe case of locked in syndrome and I know there are news stories out there where it's like this person is locked in syndrome but he's like talking about I blink like I've been there that's I'm not taking anything away from like that experience not being horrible but like what I had going on for 10 months is like true locked in where nobody knew I was in there. I was perceived, for lack of a better word, and I know now it's slang, brain dead, disconnected from all reality. Yeah. Because the the actual brain scans showed such minimal activity going on in your brain that they presumed that you weren't in a conscious state inside of your body. Correct. So, I can't blink. I can't signal. The only thing I have is involuntary vertical eye movements. But I'm like me. I'm the same guy you're hearing right now. same personality, nothing has changed. And

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yeah, you're stuck with yourself. And I I in blank you talk about how you were like doing math problems and trying to tell yourself all these things to stay sharp. Yeah. And you were also stuck with the pain. So much pain. So that's what was going on. Yeah. When I'm hearing like I'm going to make it till and like, you know, it's not like I can use my eyes to track the room. I'm like looking at the the ceiling. So that thought of they keep saying I'm dying or going to die and I keep living but I might be like this forever was really terrifying. Of course. Yeah. I was like [ __ ] I can't take 10 more minutes of this let alone what could be 50 years which my 10 months felt like 50 years. So 50 years would have been like I don't know. So I get put on hospice and uh I hear the

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hospice nurse come in. He's like we should like call in some family. He's got hours left. And I guess we're we're talking a lot about that on on Blink. But there was no real family around at that point. But basically, I get propped up on a pillow for the first time, I would say, in a while. It was the first time I I saw my own chest. And because I was going through a dental storming, which makes it really hot, and a variety of other things, I basically had no clothes on. So, I could see my chest cut and it was totally blue. And I was like, "Oh, like that." For all I know, it was always blue. But I saw that and I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] maybe I'm actually dying this time." So I believed I was dying. There was cross talk because a hospice nurse decided to call in some people who

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were not allowed to be there. There was a lot of arguing in the room and I believe police as well, which comes out on episode five of Blink. Teaser. Teaser. No, it will be out. It's already out. So, if people want to hear the nitty-gritty details. Okay. And I'm like thinking in my head, I'm like, can you guys just shut up? Like, I'm dying here. Stop arguing. Mhm. Um, and kind of as I'm having this thought, it was like a hum like a fluorescent light makes. And at the same time, the yelling started to lower. And it was almost like I could kind of see the mouths moving on people. So I knew they were talking and it was getting lower and lower. And I don't know how I could see that, right? Because I have a positional eye gaze. So that makes no sense to me logically. And

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hum gets louder. Voices are almost drawn out completely. Mhm. And for the first time in like since diagnosis, I'm like kind of painfree. It's just floating away. It was like blue. It was that it was the pain free. I was like, I think this is death and it was kind of calming. I mean, it was like the first time in a while I felt like relief and then I had this thought about my mom on hospice and it was like I know she was in so much pain and I'm like that's a really nice thought that I mean sucks to die I guess but like at least is not like painful. Yeah. Yeah. went from really horrible to like peaceful and then um damn it I have the term there's a certain shop in cartoons you know when uh it's the end of an old

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school cartoon and it goes to black it's almost like the Looney Tunes starts to close it was exactly that and so it was like pain gone silent hum like the fade to black but in a circle and I just had this feeling like when it is black that's like when I die and um stop the blackness came and I was like I just died and then I like fell asleep and then I woke up in a lot of pain and I said [ __ ] So fell asleep. It fell asleep in the sense that like everything quiet like you had no thoughts when you fell asleep. Yeah, it was like I fell asleep. Do I know how long I fell fell asleep for? No idea. I may have woken up in an hour saying [ __ ] to myself because everything hurt and I But it was

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nothingness. It was nothingness. Wow. So like consciousness ceased to exist in that moment. Mhm. Wow. And let me tell you, it was for what I was going through for the last six months or may have been eight at that point. I needed an break of nothingness for sure. And it was I think the only real painfree relief to to date. I mean, I'm still in chronic pain. Wow. Um except when I fell on that ice. I was just going to say we just felt and actually I was just like so jolted by it was your out of body experience. Yeah.

Jake's internal therapy retreat

So like you being in that state for so long and having people constantly question whether you were going to die or not. You did speak about keeping your mind sharp and trying to do math problems and think about geography and all of these things, but that started to

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evolve over time and you found yourself needing to make peace with yourself. Can you talk about what you did there? I'm somebody who has always kind of talk to themselves in their head. Do you guys do that all the time? You know, I almost have like two trains of thought. I get distracted sometimes because I'm thinking like I have two voices that are Do you have like an emotional one and then like a more like get [ __ ] done one? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I have like a fluffy like up up here up here and then I have I can't move my tongue fast enough to do that anymore. I'm like But yeah, it's wild. There are some people who don't hear their own thoughts now. Are they the crazy ones or are we I think we're all a little bit crazy. Oh, that's for sure. Yeah. So I always had that I guess and I had this thought. I'm like okay my whole body has failed me. The only thing that's working there were three things that were working. My brain, my ears, my dick.

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Sorry. I was going to lie and say there were two, but we didn't cut that. Oh, I know this is but this just kind of adds to your story, Jake, which I've said so many times over that you are such a stickler for the truth and for fact. Yeah. And also, I was so misunderstood when I was using letterboards. Yeah. And garbled baby talk, relearning how to speak that I just want to make sure everything is super clear. I never want to be misunderstood ever again. Right. Which is why I'm this way. But anyways, 30 functions and I'm like the brain's a muscle. I should like keep that as active as possible so I don't and like in retrospect I'm like probably would have been better if my brain thought I was on a beach somewhere. Uh but anyway, I didn't have that thought in the moment. So that's where the math problems and the critical thinking of

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like all kinds of crazy thoughts. But then to what you're talking about, there was just so much time I guess of like there's only so many math problems I could do. It's not like I'm somebody who's like Albert Einstein that was like, "Okay, I just figured out like how to build another nuclear bomb or something, you know?" I mean, like I've spent like 3 days at home by myself and haven't gone outside and by like day three I'm like aching to get outside and see people. I can't even drive to Target just so I can talk to a cashier or something. Exactly. When I hear people talking about the lockown and co I'm like you're good. You're fine. Like I know it sucks but like get that over eats and watch a movie. You're good. Yeah. You know to a whole other extreme. Yeah. So there was a point on hospice. This was shortly after the near-death

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experience and it felt like a twomonth period and I don't know if it was month if it was 3 months like it's really hard to say but I started utilizing my time better I would say I mean it was not like I had many options but I started talking to myself in two voices so the way I explain this like there was my my heart my chest And that was like definitely not the Jake voice you're hearing now cuz it's new but the old Jake voice. And then my brain would answer my chest in a deeper wiser voice that was still my voice but it was a different deeper wiser voice. That makes sense. It kind of started with like how did you go so wrong and like why were you so [ __ ] depressed and like why did you hate everything? I think I said like well obviously I know it's my mom

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and the deeper wiser voice would like answer me and it was kind of like you were always on the go. You were just running. you were trying to figure it out and you never like grieve properly and I like was arguing with this voice. I'm like what are you [ __ ] talking about grieving? Like I cried my ass off and I like and they're like no you didn't grieve properly and anyway it was like that and this went on for what felt like days. You were like therapizing yourself. Yeah. I call it the best self-help therapeutic treat retreat anyone could take cuz you you can't leave, right? You know, some people like go to a therapeutic retreat and spend 10 grand, but they can like go do yoga and go eat a bunch of food. Yeah, the only thing I got is my wife injecting me with um four syringes for my 24 hours of nutrients all at once, which made me stop the

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session cuz I felt like I was going to explode. Of course, it is just so interesting cuz it's like you're having an argument with yourself and you're almost like not believing what the other voice is saying, but it's all you in the end. It's just like what were you drawing from the duality of us as people? Like I think there is this battle between heart and brain always where it's like do you follow your heart? Do you follow your brain? How do you know which one's the right option and choice? But like you were forced to sit and like work through all of that with yourself. Do you guys think it was like a coping strategy or it was what I wanted to do? It's hard to say because like I understand it being kind of this trauma response, but at the same time sitting on the seat that I'm sitting on, which is the paranormal hot hot seat for the past like seven and a half years, it does make me wonder about consciousness and about like that higher voice that you were talking about, the wiser voice saying, "You didn't do this. You didn't

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grieve the way that you should have." And then you felt like, "Wait, what do you mean I didn't grieve the way I should have?" That almost feels to me like you were tapping into what happens after death. Like the piece of your soul that understands lessons on Earth or like how you're supposed to be on Earth better than we can understand from like this physical body. I definitely see a part of that. I also think and I've done a lot of like therapy. I did do one of those like trauma retreats where I spent a [ __ ] ton of money to do it, but like I did a lot of different types of therapy and one of them was EMDR where you can revisit many moments, but I was revisiting specific moments of trauma and kind of went into this mental space where my present self was like working with the emotional wound, which was still me. Yeah. And I was like, here's a new perspective that I've had now that I've lived however many years. And it was a little bit of

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like a conversation between two parts of myself. It is interesting, too, cuz like in the paranormal world, another conversation that kind of happens is when something traumatic happens to someone, does a piece of their soul kind of chip off and exist somewhere that needs to be almost like collected and brought back to be healed? And perhaps maybe that's in a way what you were doing. like the brain part of you was going and collecting all of those broken pieces to bring yourself back and create this whole person who has the strength to survive again. Okay. I have a question again a followup for both of you. Coming from the paranormal seats you guys sit in not that anyone really understands a lot about the brain. I mean, even the experts will admit we know little. Mhm. Wouldn't it make sense, at least in my case, that there's so much [ __ ] happening in the brain that it could be like explain? Well, it's

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simply unexplained. Well, but here's the interesting thing. There's so much happening in your brain and your brain should have been lighting up in so many different areas based on what you're talking about with the pain, with the emotional responses that you're having to doing this self-help therapy retreat. And yet all of the scans showed minimal activity. Yeah. So that makes me question if the reason why we don't understand the brain is because we're looking for answers pertaining to consciousness by studying the physical brain when really consciousness is entirely separate from the brain itself. Consciousness exists like in the universe, right? Yeah. Brian Edllo, we need you to come on. Dr. Edllo. Well, but it's true because it's like I even think about when they do brain scans of people and they're like, "Okay, this part of the brain is lighting up when you're doing math and this part of the brain is like creative." If you were doing all of these things in your in your mind, a scan should have picked up on something, right? Yeah. They admit to that. Yeah. They also admit that, you

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know, 50 years ago was like, "Yep, scans can really tell you it all." They now know that it's limiting but still it's the tool we have right anyway super interesting I don't know again nothing surprises me I just don't know what I believe in and yeah this went on for 2 months and it was argumentative but um argumentative with myself do you feel like now present day you still have those arguments between you or or have you unified? I've definitely unified. Uh that was strictly this like twomon period I think on hospice that I was ununified. I don't want to say I came out of it like totally out of peace because I was in like horrible pain and stuck and locked in syndrome and scared I'd be there forever. But after this

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what felt like 2 months of like your therapeutic treat, I'm sure you were able to like go to dinner and like like I I like stuck with this for I had 12hour sessions like at least, you know, which is exhausting cuz like I remember how exhausted you would be after a session. But I did come out of that what felt like 2 months feeling maybe accomplished like I accomplished something and I understand and I'm at peace with my [ __ ] up previous life like a new perspective. Yeah. But still very much like a [ __ ] I'm still stuck. Like it would have been great if I could just have like bounced back to old Jake with this perspective like okay I'm done. Let me out. But should should you have been old Jake? You questioned yourself about like why was I so depressed? Why was I so angry with the world? Would I have been old Jake? Yeah. Like did you want to be old Jake? So no. So what I meant by old Jake is I didn't have locked in syndrome. I could walk. I could talk. I

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could then I would have been like okay I'm not like miserable. Yeah. And like I don't want to paint myself like I was I was miserable on the inside. Sure. If I was up with you guys as old Jake, you would have been like Jake's a man. Yeah, but I was miserable. I mean, I think that goes to show like how what you see of a person and what they show you is not always what really going on. And you don't it's hard to know what's going on inside of someone and how they're feeling. Everyone has [ __ ] Everyone has [ __ ] Okay. So when you eventually did

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start to be able to communicate and sort of come out of this pseudo coma state, you had a discovery that you told me which was that some of the things that you could see but not see might have been real. Can you talk about that? Yeah. So, I I alluded to a little bit on hospice where I was able to see people's mouths move, but this started in the month of December of 2017, which was the meat of the worst

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of the 10 months. It was really crazy. I don't know. It would only happen when and I I didn't get a lot of visitors due to [ __ ] up uh life family dynamic circumstances, but when I did get a few, this would happen. And again, I'm like laying in this bed. I can't move. And I'm looking wherever they put me to. If they raise the bed to like four to five degrees, I'm looking like at you, right? If they put me back, I'm looking at the ceiling. If they roll me, I'm looking here. So, I'm like looking at the ceiling and my exmother-in-law comes in. And she starts talking to me about some real heavy stuff. Kind of like saying her goodbyes. Um, because this is when they were like, "He's not going to make it till Christmas." Real heavy [ __ ] Like, don't

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worry about L. like, you know, she's going through it. Like, I'll I'll be there for her. Um, it's so sad, Jake. Like, it's okay. I don't know if you can hear me. It's just like, and all of a sudden at like the beginning, very beginning, I had a bird's eyee view of myself in the room. And like I could see myself and I could see her in a chair and I could see like what she was wearing. I could see her her like I don't know if they call it a brooch or a pin. I think it was like a silver brooch with so much detail. It's almost like I could zoom in like security camera. Wow. And I did to like see her micro facial expressions. Wow. And like Yeah. like a I can picture right now like black leggings, a black sweater, silver brooch, her pearl necklace, usual earrings she had on. And it was so

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crazy. And again, I'm like skeptical of that because if someone was like, "Oh yeah, that happens to me like all the time." I'd be like, "Okay, tell me more." But also, I'm like not believing that that's really what like are you on LSD like I used to be? like what's going on? I'm like, what the [ __ ] Is this real? Yeah. Like, is this happening or is this a hallucination? But I always kept a really good grip on reality. Even when I had hallucinations, which I definitely had, right? Um, I'm going to bounce forward and I'll bounce back to another example. So, fast forward to like mid209. This is December 2017. I'm nonverbal, but I have this complex letter board called the May, and I can kind of talk nonverbbally, spit out sentences like relatively fast. And my mother-in-law is

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there, and I'm like, I got to ask you something. I'm like, did you come to say your goodbyes? It was a really heavy conversation. And she's like, yeah. Like, how do you know that? And I'm like, "Were you wearing like black leggings, a black sweater, a silver brooch, pearl necklace?" And she's like, "Yeah." And she got like kind of freaked out. She was like, "Wait." Like, but I was sitting in the corner and I'm like, "I know." And I was like, "Oh man, everything you were saying, I just got the goosebumps." I don't know if you can see it. I like straight up have the goosebumps. And I've told this story several times. Happens every time. And I was like, it was a really heavy talk about my wife and like how you would and she was like, I know. And she was like, Jesus, like, how do you know? And I'm like, I saw you and I I heard

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and I she's like, I didn't even know if you could hear me. And as I'm saying, it was so heavy. I was like crying on the inside. And she was like, "I was just about to say I could have sworn I saw one tear." I I know. I know. I've heard this before, but every time too, I'm like, "Wo." So, I have the goosebumps. I mean, it reminds me of and this I the movie was made based on a book which was based on a true story and I'm blanking on the name, but it was about this child who nearly died and was in an operating room and the mom and dad were out in the waiting room having an argument and the kid in surgery and impossible to know what's going on, but after waking up from the surgery recalls everything that they were fighting about, where they were, what they were wearing, and they were like, "How this is the the kid that fell fell like into a tree or like fell out of a tree, hit their head and that's how they discovered like some Sure. Yeah, something like that. But it's a true story. So like that does happen to

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people. This is like a thing that apparently happens and doctors know about it. And there's a few other examples. Same thing happened with Eli who's on the pod. He came in your step. My stepdad. He came in very similar heavy saying it's good really saying like I know you're in so much pain like it's okay if you want to give up in my head I was like thanks I appreciate that but no I'm not giving up um but bird's eye view hone in on he was just in his blue jeans and his offbrand jacket that was uh it's like what workman kind of wear like a car art style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not cardigan. Yeah. Car art style. But like Yeah. We talked about that. And the other thing that it wasn't just visitors, it would happen occasionally when important doctors would come in the room and there was this doctor with this bow tie, not Dr. Levenson, always

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wearing the same bow tie. And my uncle Adam is a doctor and wears bow ties. So, Adam, I'm not [ __ ] on bow ties by any means, but this guy, goofy ass bow tie, and I could see his bow tie. Again, no reason for me to be able to. Mhm. And I would sarcastically, not that this is nice, but make fun of his bow tie every time he'd come in the room. You have to pass the time somehow. Yeah. Right. It was comedy hour. Yeah. But yeah, those are my That's wild. Out of party. So it always was like prompted by a conversation or someone being in your room that I felt was important right and did it always exist only in the room like you didn't see outside of the room it was well that goes into hallucinations not out of body experiences I will say I think I developed supersonic hearing in this state because I could hear [ __ ] going on

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at the nursing station and if I'm like laying in there and I really want to hone in, I could like kind of hone in. Wow. Which is interesting cuz then I'm like, well, is it hearing? Which makes sense because when people lose certain senses, other ones are heightened. Mhm. But then given that you've basically actual projected, it does make me wonder if like there was a part of your your consciousness or your soul or something that did have kind of the ability to to move more freely than you realized and perhaps you were kind of like splitting a piece of you to go listen wherever you wanted. It's wild. And then from like a neurology standpoint, not that I'm well versed in this, so better than us. Yeah, way better than us. when you have that brain damage, there are certain parts of the brain that like pick up slack and like I don't know if that was happening at this time, but like right who knows like the weird [ __ ] that can happen within the brain that could potentially

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do that to your ears. You know what I mean? Like nobody knows cuz we do it it hasn't come out yet, but on the podcast we do talk to uh one of your doctors, Dr. Brian Edllo who speaks to kind of like consciousness, covert consciousness. I think I had asked him the question where it was like is it true that you we only use 10% of our brain and then there's another part and he was like no not really like we think that we know a lot of what the brain does and the functioning. So it is kind of interesting that like the answer is kind of like noish but obviously but it's like I feel like we know how the brain connects to the body. We don't know how the brain connects to consciousness consciousness and we don't understand consciousness and I think that this is a makes us question it even more and then it's like I don't know the hallucinations that you but I do wonder how much is it really a hallucination and how much is it like part of this out-of- body astral projection I don't know all I know is I uh nothing

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would surprise me anymore you survived the impossible I survived the impossible your story is truly Incredible. Like so incredible. Thank you for sharing it with us and thank you for sharing it with the world and Kin, thank you for helping Jake share his story. Yeah, I feel like such a small piece of the story. I think I just floated in on the elevator and then ended up shoving a mic in front of your face. So I mean it was a little more than that, but that's how it began. Yeah, that's how it began. But

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the way you met too, I feel like was kismmet like in the elevator happening though in Jake's life. I think you are a very powerful manifesttor. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about that. Like I don't get it. I don't get it at all. But it is really interesting though because it's like well you're also a very charismatic guy and I feel like people are very you're very approachable and people are very attracted to to like helping you and being your friend. But like beyond that just the fact that you get introed to people people just kind of like float in your life who can help you with

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something that you're seeking. Did I ever tell you the story of how I ended up living in the same place you lived? Uh, yes, but refresh my memory. Yeah, this is crazy. So, I'm on the partner shuttle bus. I got appointments like all over creation kind of and I'm on this bus and it breaks down. They said it was like 30 minutes or something for a new one. And I kind of look up and I just see like a sign. It's like move in today, three months free. And I tell this guy in my PC like broken language. I kind of sounded like roll me in there. Something like that. And he rolls me in. And they're like, "Hey, hey, what's going on?" And I'm like, "3 months free." I'm like, "That sounds really good." And they're like, "What are you looking for?" And I'm like, uh, anything accessible if you can't tell. And, um,

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and he's, okay, what do you mean by accessible? I'm like, well, like I don't care if you use um a shower that's like rolling. I need some grab bars. And he's like, so yeah, like we got this one that is, but it's got a horrible view. Like not the priority. Doesn't matter. I haven't showered in 2 months. and he goes, "Well, you smell great. Let's go down to that unit." And um that's how I ended up. That is so funny. From a boss unit. Wow. Also, shout out to that building because uh maintenance and people who work there listen to blank. A shout out to that building big time because they've gone I think most especially maintenance. every time my scooter like kind of blew up or broke down. They don't need to fix that. That's not their job. They're all in there like so nice. And they're like, "Yeah, I gotta go to the hardware store, get a piece." Like, how much does that

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cost? Don't worry about it. So nice. And even recording, like we recorded from all the common spaces at this place, and you're not allowed to do that and they would just watch us on the monitors, and then when we'd wrap up, they'd come and chat and be like, "What'd you guys talk about this time?" Oh, they would also watch not on the monitors. They were like hiding in the elevator. You know, the maintenance guy Wagner, I'm getting coffee at like 6 a.m. And he's like, I love Blink. I love Blink. He's like, I didn't know all these things. He's like, you [ __ ] crazy, but I love I got him a a Blink sweatshirt coming. He's so excited. He's so I'm like, dude, for everything you've done over the years for me, like sweatshirt, like Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is a good way to tell everyone else you should listen to Blink. Listen to Blink. Listen to Blink for all of Jake's story. Yeah. I've been

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saying this a lot. You know, we'll see how you feel about this guy you let in your house after you you heard it because I'm really putting it all out there. I think people feel quite positively. Yes. I I think a lot of people know someone who or gone through something like addiction and kept it hidden. So, even just the story of, you know, your upbringing and your family and how it was hard to deal with it and process it and everyone deals with it differently, but I think you're so relatable in that way and you're such a positive person despite everything you've been through and I think you offer a lot of hope which is really really necessary and needed in the world. So, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah, of course. Thank you. We will see you on the other side. Very spooky.