Serial Killer Resurrected the Dead & Witch Surgeon Saves Lives | The Exorcism of Mexico (Ep 273)

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very spooky hello hello this is two girls one ghost two girls one ghost can you tell everyone what my new motto of life is is it the one that I just gave you that the one you literally two seconds ago told me it's completely stolen I said Sabrina should just use the slogan that Cookie Crisp cereal has and just use it to get through this phase of Life fresh air green trees and chocolate chip cookies for breakfast yeah I think I'm just going to make one little Aster change is I'm going to do oatmeal raisin cookies

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for breakfast M so good and I have been ordering leevan cookies like maybe once a month and I'll order like four and I eat them in like one sitting it's kind of scary I understand that I can't ever order like a box or like a kit of something because I will eat everything within 24 hours so I also have to space out my orders I can't just be like oh I want lean let me let me order a dozen and I'll put some in the freezer no the if I order 12 12 are being eaten in 24 hour they'll be in the freezer and I will like almost break my tooth to eat it from the freezer I literally have zero self-control so my self-control takes place before it ever can get into my space my self control comes from no bringing it into my home no ordering it otherwise it will be consumed very quickly I feel that so hard also yeah hi we're your ghostesses that's Karen I'm Sabrina and we're experiencing life at a high intense place right now

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yeah that just made me think I I immediately my brain instead of just explaining what's going on I was like I need to buy a lottery ticket I just looked down at my phone I was like I should buy a lottery ticket do you pick your own numbers or do you do random numbers no I always do random I heard that you have a better chance of winning if you do random that makes sense and the only gambling I do is I do the Mega Millions and I do the Powerball and I have never won more than $2 on either and I very rarely win those but I kind of have a rule which is so ridiculous unless it's like $700 million I won't play cuz otherwise I it's not enough money it's not worth it I feel like you have to buy like you can't just like buy one ticket randomly like the chances of you actually getting or winning from a random one by like one ticket versus buying multiple tickets and like buying them constantly you know but then you're spending so much money thanks Sabrina now I'm definitely not going to win cuz that's what I do but I also don't want to get too into gambling

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you know I got to have some I got to hold myself back even though I've talked about gambling winning the Powerball on this podcast for seven years straight we're still working on self-control we're coming up with little games to trick ourselves I'm uh coming off of an intense cry session to Sabrina before we recorded because she said how was your weekend and I just started cry yeah because um I'm pregnant and the black

Physical pregnancy symptoms

lion appeared I'm going to start crying again oh my God the black lion appeared on my stomach and it's so gross and it freaks me out and I hate my belly with a black line put the belly masks on so that you don't have to look at it it's so disgusting I'm going to vomit right now like literally thinking about it does it look like the shrimp line yes and it's like literally just appeared it's so faint but I know it's going to darken and it's what is it exactly I guess it like always ex I'm like tears rolling down like Snot bubbling out of my nose I guess always exists in us but

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it just like becomes more apparent as it's like estrogen or progesterone or like the combo of the two and it starts to go away sometimes babies are born with it on them if their mom has like really increased levels of those hormones I don't really know but it's disgusting and I hate it so S I will cry about it this is your party you can cry if you want to um that's your motto and mine is fresh what is it fresh air trees and chocolate Chi boies yeah and it's your party you can cry if you want to I'm going to probably be crying the entire time until it's till the child leaves my body if you ever want to give me some of your tears I'm happy to take some my tear ducks are dried up I have no feelings no emotions constant stress I don't really want to refill your well I feel like you've you experienced enough I've cried all the tears that my body they could produce oh man so we're

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really stable over here thanks for coming back mood up woo baby here we are vag know that you listen to two girls one ghes to escape the world and listen to something that's a little bit different but hey we're going to make you sad real quick we are

Pregnancy body changes

and actually I have one more pregnancy thing to to say Sabrina you and I have talked about the feeling and how much we hate it to like stick a Q-tip in our belly button or something like that so one my belly button has not popped out but the depths of it is becoming shallower and I can actually fit like I can feel the end sorry like that yeah see it's gross it's so gross I mean guys it's still an inch away from like ever appearing I don't know what the the bottom of it looks like we might never find out but people I feel like talk about how amazing it feels to feel your child kick inside if you there have been

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some angles like on the sides of me there's certain pressure points that when I'm getting hit there it literally feels like someone is scraping a Q-tip around your belly button it yeah that is exactly the whole time it happens I go like this I'm just like wincing waiting for it to be over cuz it's so bad man it's so bad I feel like because we talked about it this is what I've been cursed with in my in my pregnancy having to feel that because we talked about how much we don't like feeling that so now I have to feel it I hate that for you so much just even chills throughout my entire body

Listener gifts and good news

well what happy news do we have do we have any good things we can talk about let's see hm huh huh oh I decorated my wall oh yeah perfect youve lovely recording backdrop with a different motto the Cookie Crisp it looks beautiful we have raggedy an yeah I have

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Andy and these are all things that listeners have for the most part made for us or we got on tour I have a little witchy spoon that says stirring up some magic we have the four rules of living um I think our listener didn't sign this one but I think Ashley maybe and then we have the two-headed lady frame Jordan monsel's thing I don't know if you can see it oh we can't see it Jordan monel just wrote a book really yeah it's like a compilation of spooky stories I'm reading it right now I'll send it to you after wait fun okay there's some good stuff all the good stuff is what's happening to all of you out there that we get to experience alongside you that's the good stuff celebrate you our list litha she just planted an apple orchard in her backyard that seems pretty freaking sweet there's a lot of good things happening out there can I

Physical insecurities and quirks

say one more like negative thing about my life real quick okay yes of course I think I have a five head no you don't

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it's like half my head measure right now that's five okay well you're covering your eyebrows you're supposed to start above your eyebrows above my eyebrows I no I can't see your eyebrows start above your eyebrows above them also your fingers you wear such a tiny ring size I feel like your fingers are half the size of mine so if I were to put my hand it would be like three fingers on your forehead I think you just have smaller delicate lengthy Queen hands Queen hand you could be like a hand model and I have the Hamburger Helper glove full of hands so measuring the forehead doesn't quite I guess I have three both my mom and my sister I don't know if I told you this but both my mom and my sister within the same week and I I grew up with them like they've seen my toes my toes have been exposed to them for many years of my life they both made comments about how long and creepy my toes are and I was like that's weird thank you and my sister just like you know like

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your toes are like the Wicked Witch of the West hand like fingers but on your toes did they grow more no I like I don't know they're just long H honestly I think that only benefits you in life because what good are short stubby toes you can't pick stuff up or hang off of tree branches or Propel yourself forward faster if you're ever chased by something in the woods I've got the uh fast long toes those toes are your super power if you were in the acatar book series which I'm like fully ingrained in

ACOTAR book discussions

now I just started too your power would oh Spina you got to power through it because on the first of every single month right now on our patreon we're doing followup discussions on the next book I can read a book in a day I know I did read the first one in a day but the other the next ones are you know I can't read 700 pages in a day I've been too depressed to really read and that's been hard for me is that like when we're not

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recording and not researching I have to like turn the office or something on and like play Candy Crush because I cannot like my brain Focus yeah otherwise I need to sleep like that's just my depression cuz you shut down well I will say I mean I am more than halfway through the third book right now and I feel like the second book and the third book are so freaking good I heard book two is the best what do you think I really loved book two so much I have so many thoughts which we'll do a lot of them on patreon but book two was incredible because it was so much new like it was so many new ideas and New Concepts and new Magic and New World I feel like it was harder on book one with my opinions not realizing that it was setting everything up for book two and I think another thing that I really loved that Sarah J moss did was there are some things that are like maybe like a sentence or like a paragraph in book one and you don't find out why that was important in book one until like almost the end or far into book two so it's not get so it really is like you realize how

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much she's kind of like built and layered everything into the story and how much planning has got into it so I really loved book two I will say I don't know if this is a popular opinion or unpopular opinion because I'm avoiding everything on the internet acatar related because I want any spoilers but farra pissed me off I was really annoyed with her in book two book three she's redeeming herself for me but book two I was like good Lord girl get a grip get a grip okay well I'm excited I'm not going to let my depression win and I'm going to read it tonight pick out your book boyfriend your book husband we got a lot of options in book to was I right about all my love triangles um once I read it we'll talk we'll discuss I think I'm right there were some things that both of us got right with our predictions and some things that we got wrong okay we can't be perfect all the time no we can't sometimes we have black veins showing up we have black vein tummies shrimp lines on our stomachs I do think it's funny though that you made me realize in our discussion of book one on patreon that

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Lucian is supposed to be hot cuz I forgot that all the fairies are supposed to be hot and I pictured Lucian as Professor Moody like a troll yeah and then is it the second book or third book we get to like meet some of the other high Lords and the high lord of the summer Court tarquin I also forgot again he's supposed to be hot so I pictured Jordan Peele with really long white hair and it took me a while to realize like once other fairies were making comments about him that like he was actually supposed to be this like chisel God absolute best part about reading books is like is when you read them with other people understanding what they picture that's amazing oh man there's only been two hot fairies in my only the bat boys are hot in my mind iess but they're all hot they're all hot everyone else is we should put we should do on patreon like cast all of them with who we pictured

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after that's a good idea oh we should do that I want to because your cast is going to be [ __ ] hilarious is going to be random for sure oh man unhinged okay but anyway podast

Podcast segue to Mexico

paranormal hi hello uh we're here to talk about something specific I feel like this was a good segue though because I don't know the story that you're talking about but I saw it the like hint of it and it's like you know what sometimes the mental state that we are currently in what I'm currently in leads to what we're about to talk about yeah and I guess this is actually perfect to show where we're both at because normally we research like one topic and I've just been so [ __ ] all over the place that I decided I was going to tell you about three different places in one episode oh okay oh H man

Exorcism of Mexico in 2015

it really started because there was this clickbaity title that was basically like all of Mexico had an exorcism and I was like like what so I clicked on that and

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then I kind of just went through this Rabbit Hole like deeper deeper deeper deeper into all of these stories from Mexico which you know we always say is one of the most haunted countries that we we feel based on what other people from Mexico have told us and some of the stories that we've encountered so I was just like on this spiral and then I was like you know what I'm going to pick a few of these places that are really sticking out to me and tell you about them so starting out with the first thing that got me intrigued with these Mexican stories was the title saying that there was exorcismo Magno for all of Mexico and I was like wait what the whole entire freaking country was exorcised I think we both got targeted by this article and it's funny because this happened back in like 2015 so why is it making the rounds right now it's our Search terms also I think it's because we were preparing for your birthday and you always choose dark so you had exorcism on the mind yeah you always choose dark uh subjects so I think we both both probably doing some

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Googling into the darkness and we're getting targeted but Mexico is the second largest Catholic country which I guess Catholicism as a whole in terms of religion they have the majority of the people that perform like the classic religious exorcisms so I guess it would make sense that you know they would try or or have the idea to exercise the entire country sure sure but essentially this is just kind of like a quick bit of information what happened was back in 2015 Mexico was like okay wow there's a lot of [ __ ] going down there's a lot of violence there's a lot of things that we don't feel like we have control over perhaps to combat this violence and the drug cartels and all this death and conflict we could view this as a problem with demons and we've been plagued by Darkness we've been plagued by demons all of these people are like fighting for their lives fighting to be good and there's just so much around them that's making it really hard to live and make certain decisions that we want them to make let's exercise these demons from

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everyone and from the whole country right also another thing that was a driving force and contributing factor I guess to them wanting to do this was that even the Vatican went as far as to condemn one of the Mexican folk Saint Santa Muerte because it depicted or it was depicted as a skeleton or is depicted as a skeleton and they felt like the saint being a skeleton was too representative of the Narco culture of death and so the Vatican was basically trying to like punish them being like we're not going to view a saint as a saint anymore because there's too many people that are doing things that we don't agree with in your country and like perpetuating violence and using this saint as almost like their mascot but here's the problem with this it's like I understand the intention cuz like you know we've talked about different types of exorcisms where there's Exorcism of self then there's Exorcism of a house and it's like this cleansing of some kind but I feel like if you're doing a non-consensual not everyone's on the same page not

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everyone's on board with this exorcism it's just not going to work right and we can't just take all of the things that are happening across an entire country and across like various political and state to state and like drug lines and be like it's demons clearly like it's so much deeper than that you're not probably going to fix it unfortunately with an exorcism but they were like let's try so quietly on May 20th 2015 in the city of San Louis poosi a Spanish Exorcist named Jose Antonio fortia Cardinal Juan sandal iniguez again I'm so sorry I'm not a Spanish speaker so I'm trying my best Archbishop emerus of guadalahara and a number of other trained exorcists they came together they performed what was considered to be the top dog of exorcisms so this is the biggest form of

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exorcism you can have or do I'm sorry they needed more than like five exorcists to exercise the entire world I know well I think there were a bunch of other ones but I think these were the most popular names like the people that were held higher positions so they were name dropped name dropped still I feel like the exorcism influencers they they were they were invited to the tar trip but the rest of us weren't I also feel like one of the things I would have thought to be effective is if you like scatter them across the country and all have them perform at the same time but they were all in one spot they should have inquired and consulted with us cuz we have some ideas I think they should have placed them obviously they're doing it wrong on different lay lines throughout the world yeah yeah oh that's interesting see we could have really helped them out you're making me wonder what would happen if everyone who could perform a cleansing a ritual an exorcism all stood on lay lines and

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various like sacred energy hotpots and all at the same time did their ritual that would be a cool beginning to like a series yeah like what the [ __ ] would happen I don't know let's find out find out when you watch our Hulu special [ __ ] around and find out oh my gosh all right so these guys they all got together and they're all trained exorcists and they were like let's perform the biggest exorcism we have in our Arsenal which is only used when needed to exercise entire populations who have had great violence or Darkness befall them and in this case the great population was the entire population of Mexico now this exorcism was quite problematic too because it was not just about stopping death and violence although they mostly cited basically like the issue with drugs and the cartel but there were some ill intentions so these priests at the same time that they were asking for darkness and evil and demons to be rid of their

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country and begging God to help them they were also taking some of their own beliefs in terms of how the world should operate and asking for that as well so example of this would be they were trying to involve themselves in women's bodies and the right to choose things for your own reproductive system so it was like while they were all together like may as well ask for a few other things so it wasn't great so then this I have another problem with this is like they came in with one intention and then they were like well why we here while we're here let's just add a million other things and it's like well then how are you going to expect this to work if your intentions are all over the place be counteracting each other yeah it's like one thing you're asking for Liberation and the other thing you're asking to oppress and control yeah so that doesn't make any sense we we have notes well this group they went forward and they were like the extra ism is happening here are our requests let's do it they

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did whatever magical thing they did in this city and the exorcism did happen but did it work well the group said to set the expectations ahead of time they were like we don't expect to just snap our fingers and for everything to be better we rather view these as types of events something that we should continue to do like these exorcisms over and over and over and over again baching your hair you got to slowly do it right cuz otherwise it's not to work it's all going to just fall out or turn into something else that you didn't intend for it to be exactly so they were they were slowly chipping away at this or or I guess that was their intention was to keep coming back together and slowly do this and maybe over decades and decades it would all completely resolve itself there would be no Darkness only light in Mexico and everything would be amazing so they were like hey yeah we did the exorcism we do believe some of the evil entities were banished but in no way do we believe that we expelled all of them

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or even close to all of them some guys have poker Knight every month these guys have exes and nights every month kind of fun maybe I could get behind that that's the part of the event that I'm into it's like every month it's like their own book club okay so that's basically the

La Casa de Lamentos

end of this exorcism this clickbait story which was all of Mexico was exercise not much really changed after the exorcism but it did get me clicking around to see some other types of horor Ying tales and creatures and Mysteries in Mexico and I was like I really want to dig into some of these cases so one of the places that I found during my deep dive is called laasa de lamentos the house of laments it is in Guan Mexico so there was this couple they were named Danto fenio Mahia and I believe he went by to Deo because in all of the articles I read they called him too and then his

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wife Maria constanza de la Rivera they moved into this home now the house of laments and it was believed to have been previously operating I think at one point like maybe it was a hotel but it was also a post office like it was just used for various things over time and then it was a private residence and they moved in and they were super excited to have this new home together and they were so completely in love with one another and their friends and family would just like remark about how perfect they were like they truly in every way seemed really excited to do life together and to have this home and just to like be together so they were pretty well off moving into this large house today I worked as a mining engineer he was very successful they definitely had some riches and one day while he was out working Maria decided to go into town alone and she was snatched and she was dragged into an alley and she was assaulted and she was murdered oh my gosh some people say that it she never left her home that it was a home

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invasion but nonetheless the results were the same Maria was murdered jeez it's so scary and so sad so awful so too he was obviously completely lost so broken so horrified by the events that took place and by losing Maria and a part of him really did die with Maria that day and so he just felt like he couldn't live without her and he needed to evaluate his options like what do you do when your soul feels so completely attached to someone and that person is gone and you feel like a half a person if that right so he was like I need to figure out how I can potentially reunite with my love I need to figure out what my options are perhaps I could bring her back from the dead so too he found a bruha a witch and he asked her how he could do such a thing how can you raise someone to live with you once more and the bruha told him that he could bring her back it was possible but the cost of a life is not free and

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you do have to sacrifice others in order to give Maria life once more how many others a lot she didn't give a number it was just like when it happens it happens so in desperation and completely blinded in grief too he was once this really kind and compassionate man but he just completely lost sense of reality and and what is right and wrong in this moment and he was blinded by the opportunity to bring back Maria and so he turned turned dark that day he was no longer too he was now a killer who too would kill didn't matter according to the bruha it was not about a man or a woman or a child or the elderly simply a life was a life and he needed to Snuff out lives in order to bring back Maria so he would kidnap people or just convince them to come over and he would bring victims into his house down into the basement and he would kill them each in this like ritualistic manner waiting for his love Maria to return yeah I mean see this is

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why like nothing is worth oh gosh yeah this remind me is it a Black Mirror episode where it was like the woman had to like kill like three people do you remember that one no I probably watched like five episodes of Black Miry okay I I'm like faintly remembering it it was a weird one where it like didn't really feel like black Mary it felt more like supernaturally anyway oh interesting I feel like these stories unfortunately do find themselves a lot in horror shows and books and stuff because like does happen sometimes and people lose their sense of being like a normal moral and yeah and we just become serial killers right and so he became a serial killer under the delusion that killing enough lives in this like ritual practice in his basement that was advised by the bruha would bring back Maria and so like eventually with one of his kills she would appear or communicate with him and give him some sort of Direction so he just kept trying he kept murdering more people hoping for Maria to return but

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when she didn't he would just go out again in search of another person in search of another person in search of another person so he obviously failed to resurrect his lover and murdered a number of people the number of victims is not known but the police finally did narrow down this who their subject was in these mass murders these serial murders and too once he found out that he was the lead suspect he shot himself in the head to avoid any punishment for what he had done do we know this is like a true story or is this like an urban legend I think it's true cuz there's literally pictures of them oh [ __ ] yeah that's oh gosh okay I was really hoping this was like an urban legend it's sounds like it would be but it's not no this was one of the first serial killers of Mexico basically jeez so when the police arrived to search his property they found many bodies body parts and Ashes left over from the rituals in the basement because he would burn the

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victims he would you know do various things and there were also multiple texts found about this type of dark magic where you could resurrect people so he just had a bunch of like texts and like collected Grimms and like any sort of Direction in terms of like Witchcraft and spells and using black magic to try to do this sort of thing it does make me really sad because I understand that like in the same way you can harness like the positive energy in the world like why not be able to harness the negative energy and like there is a very much a healthy way perhaps to practice that where it's not harming anyone else or any person it is really sad to me that there are probably especially in Mexico there's so many options of brewhas and Powerful witches that you could communicate with to perhaps help you through this and it just makes me sad yeah that it went such a dark route I know cuz it's like what was this this

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is an interesting thing that you bring up Sabrina because it's like the person he went to advised him on this did he go to other people before and he just continued to search until he got an answer that he wanted which was yes you can bring back Maria or did he just happened to this was the first person that he met and unfortunately she advised him in a way yeah seriously and to heart and became very quickly not that it's her fault but like well then I am curious legally like is that person also responsible for this I feel like the answer in modern times would be yes right because she pushed him or like at least implanted an idea but then I guess it would it would depend on what was the conversation was she just saying like oh well I guess you know like in the past I've heard that you know like in Classic Spells or whatever like a life for a life but I've never seen that be able to be a thing like it what if he just picked up on that one thing and he went with it himself because he did have a collection of all these books to try to

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help him do it so I have no idea what the actual conversation I feel like the story places a lot of blame on this woman but who knows what she actually said she could have very much said go out kill all these people and you'll be reunited with Maria or she just could have been like there are spells to resurrect the dead but it does cost another life and she could have also even said it as a warning like beware though like something like this requires you to turn against your own moral you know like it could have just been like warning and he's like oh I'm willing to do anything this was a bright man who was very kind and compassionate and loved by Maria loved by all these people I think loved at work and clearly something broke in him because he was an entirely different person I think to even go out and try to have these conversations it's just so devastating and I feel so sad for all these people who got caught up with this man and like trusted him and and obviously his loss is sad but no loss is ever worse taking other people this happened in the 1890s

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and the house has since been turned into a museum allowing curious historians and paranormal enthusias to enter the strange and stained building I mean the building itself is pretty it's so interesting cuz in the episode that I was going to do a couple weeks ago when I ended up changing my topic but there was a house called I think it was like the witch house or the LA Moira house in Mexico City and it kind of VAR similarly like something very dark happened in the house and now it's a museum right well it's like we all get curious about going and I guess like historically architecturally a lot of them are preserved and like this house is actually quite beautiful but like obviously there's a weirdness to the energy because it would be it would be like if there was some historic building that John Wayne gasy had lived in and then we like keep it knowing that there was all of these horrific deaths that happened in the basement but we're like oh my gosh architecturally look at the stonework and the Arches gorgeous tile

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oh love there's certain places where it's like if something that tragic happened you don't need to preserve it I mean that's half of New Orleans when walking around New Orleans they're like this was a fruit salad of body parts and we're like great and now it's apartment building awesome true true so too he likely never found Maria in the afterlife as visitors have seen him wandering the home perhaps for eternity as a punishment for all the lives that he took while he was alive mhm unfortunately it also seems like maybe some of the victims are here or we can hope that maybe it's just a residual haunting because people do hear the sound of high heels across the floor some cold spots and pain screaming heard echoing through the Halls residual today you can tour the museum and around spooky season they also transform the home into more of like a haunted house sort of vibe where they put spooky lights up employees will

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dress in costume there's sound effects so it is a little bit more Halloween adjacent in terms of it being this house of a serial killer but while I was on

Witch's House and psychic surgery

the topic of searching the dark and mysterious witchy cases in Mexico I also found this is like the wildest story I wanted to end on this one oh because I found another haunted home that's backstory I think could be an incredible movie I'm sure there's movies out there that have been Maybe inspired by this if not someone should definitely make one it's very like Inception style very magical but this house is called laasa de bras The Witch's House and the house is in Mexico City the story starts out a bit beautiful and then it just kind of gets weirder so the building itself it is this brick Gothic style building it was constructed in 1908 as a way to commemorate the Centennial Celebration of independence of Mexico and the plaza around the house is extremely beautiful like this is such a hot spot for architecture and it's just like very very gorgeous I was looking at a bunch

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of travel blogs and stuff that people had written about it and everyone's photos like regardless if if someone was had a knack for photography or not like this area looked so beautiful so it's stunning in terms of what this uh house is surrounded in the roofs are peaked and they almost look like witch's hats which is very fitting given the nickname of the house The Witch's House which the neighborhood kids wait I saw this one in my research today okay okay you know where this is going yeah so the neighborhood kids before there was ever a witch to live in here the neighborhood kids they did nickname the house the witch's house because of how it looked on the outside like the house is wearing a witch hat basically it literally looks like a smiling little witch yeah it it does and it does very spooky like it sounds spookier than it looks like it does look kind of cute yeah it's cute in the 1970s the very first witch to live in this house moved in her name her legal name Barbara Guerero

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but she was nicknamed Pita and she lived in the building in the 1970s and for actually a lot longer than that but she was born in 1900 she had a really horrible childhood she was basically abandoned by her well I shouldn't say it was horrible it was horrible for a small period of time because when she was born she was abandoned soon after by her parents but then this really nice man from Africa who had moved to Mexico he adopted her and he taught her about healing and about Oracle work and energy management and this is kind of how she became a little bit more like woo woo magical witchy being she would practice this sort of energy work for the entirety of her adulthood and it all started at a very young age so by the time that she was an adult she had people who would come visit her these clients who were pretty high in status you know she would have these prominent politicians and they would come ask her for help because she also I mean I'm calling her a witch but really she was a Kuro which is like a shaman or a

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traditional Native healer and she never charged anyone she would heal people she would do favors for them she just it was like out of the goodness of her heart and the abilities that she felt like she naturally possessed and so her Client List grew and grew and she took on many more high-profile clients as well as just like regular people she performed numerous types of healing she would help people find jobs she would cast spells on political opponents of her client and she would also cure illnesses how would she cure illnesses well it wasn't simply just like oh you have a cold let me give you this like magical potion and remedy it could be like you have therosis of the liver I'm going to remove your liver like something like that so it was not just like illnesses it was diseases it was really intense medical ailments wa was she doing like surgery or was she doing witchcraft to remove deliver both this is like the weirdest thing as I kept reading it I

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was like cuz I thought that this was going to be like a fake out at the end and I'm like who the hell is this woman and what can we Le from her okay so she believed that she was a psychic surgeon since childhood pach had used herbs and plants to heal people and this soon escalated to performing fullon surgeries but it wasn't pach performing these surgeries she would Channel a spirit of the Aztec warrior and I'm going to butcher this name but quat and she called him hermanito like little brother and basically these surgeries would take place at the hands of the two of them working together so she would essentially be possessed by this Aztec warrior and he would perform the surgeries through her body it's so incredible but it's also terrifying cuz initially I'm like there's no way that this is real I'm sure everyone died who she ever performed a surgery on like this feels like doct death right but she has this like ability yes so when a surgery was needed she would perform the

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surgery being possessed by this ancient Aztec warrior and she would have this one surgical tool which was used for all of her procedures it was this like kitchen knife basically like a little butcher knife and she covered the handle with electrical tape and this is what she would use to just like no matter what she was working on or operating on she would just use this knife to cut into people which is like also so concerning for a hygiene like right when you think of surgery you're thinking about like the sterilization and like hyper clean this is like I feel like I'm just picturing it taking place in her kitchen mhm it basically was and also it's like did she sharpen the knives in between like is this a dull knife that she I like that that's your concern I mean if you don't have the other option I at least want this to be like the sharpest cleanest incision that it could possibly be also I feel like we should say this I feel like we don't need to but just so that we do just say it do not try this at home if someone says that they perform a surgery on you in their kitchen with their dull kitchen

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knife don't agree to it please no and I'll just tell you this pach is no longer alive so if anyone says I am pach and I can do this to you it's not it's not her more like bullita bullsh that's what I was thinking but we're about to get into a weird area of this this old topic where I'm like what do I believe I don't know so her clients they would come in they would hope to be healed and she was one not trained two had no anesthesia or any pain relief thing to provide her clients but she would somehow be able to put them in this trans-like state she would slice them open stating that she could remove any problematic organs and put others in their place healthier ones that she could just simply conjure out of thin air to heal them the room had to be dark lit by only a couple candles because she said the bright lights would damage the new healthy organs that she would conjure and she would do all of this with her eyes closed blind cutting

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into but not her the Aztec warrior that she has channeled right let's also keep in mind Aztec medicine probably not as advanced as it is today no but also I don't know because again this is getting into a weird spot where I'm like maybe everything I thought is wrong maybe at least in this situation no nothing so you would think that someone like this who's performing these surgeries getting no payment and just like doing it out of the goodness of her heart you would assume that she would try her best to make sure that any trickery or deception that she was planning to do to like execute on this would be covered up and so you would think like maybe it would be like just her and the patient but no that was not the case she fully believed in what she was doing and so she allowed other people into her operating room so people would come in with their loved ones or someone who was going to and they'd watch help them come home yes they would watch they would observe her so like she had her eyes closed the whole time but they would observe of her in this dimly lit space she would raise her arms up and literally conjure organs

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or body parts that were needed so people said that this like fleshy material would just suddenly appear in her hand out of nowhere and she would then place it into the incision that she made and also it's important to note that these people that were watching they weren't just always family members of the patients but credible professionals who came to watch her Miracles so actual doctors would come and surgeons would come be like P we've heard of the work that you do can we observe your next operation she'd be like for sure I want a video I want to watch this I know me too well I don't want to watch but I I don't want to watch the surgery but I do want to watch the organ just like suddenly appearing out of thin air so a few hours after she would have these operations or perform these surgeries she would send the clients home with a bandage and instruct them to rest for 3 days for some reason I just pictured her putting like a tiny little Band-Aid over yeah it's like the small circle one that

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they sometimes put on you after a shot yeah but I don't think it was huge regardless because it would basically be like this bandage that you could just go home with she would tell you rest up for 3 Days drink these various concoctions that she had put together for various types of uh healing depending on what people were getting done and that they would be good to go on the fourth day and these procedures they're like tumor removals bone graphs organ transplants she would finish them in just a few minutes and these are surgeries that like modern day take hours to perform and she would apparently do it in just a few minutes and then like weeks to recover from too exactly but pach few minute surgery slap a bandaid on rest for three days drink her potions and you're good to go and were they apparently they were I didn't find anything saying that anyone has died at the hands of p and there's also this doctor from Mexico so his name is Dr Hobo grinberg he was a nurse neuroscientist and he used the scientific method to study a bunch of

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the kind of like more I always say woooo but I guess like woooo is practices in terms of healing so he used the scientific method to apply to Shamanism and meditation and astrology and other similar topics to try to understand like what are these things if there's anything actually happening outside of just like our brains trying to fill in the gaps and believe in these things so he was super interested in studying P's work and subsequently he spent a lot of time with her and Pito let him sit in on numerous different surgeries and Dr grinberg he was shocked because I don't think he was expecting to experience what was said to have happened in pacha's operating room he witnessed numerous surgeries by Peta where he himself watched as organs and needed body parts materialized out of thin air and wounds instantaneously heal without infection or even scarring so it would be one thing for him to be like okay yes if we're in a dimly lit area maybe

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there's some trickery with like how she suddenly has like a pig's heart or something in her hand a completely other thing for him to sit there having gone through medical school and watch someone's like gaping open incision just start to sh in the moment it's so wild to me and it's hard cuz it's like if you look at the evolution of surgeries and just how medicine has evolved we've Advanced tremendously over yeah centuries even if that's something that we can reach and get to in decades from now it feels so far from anything we have now that it's just like how is this happening and how is she not teaching it to other people you know it's just and it's all energy work too like it's not even like you know when we think of the future we're thinking of like some soldering machine that like Burns and closes the human flesh really fast and helps you heal faster it's it's not about that with P it's just about like

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the energy and just her being there that like coning organs from where yes that's a good question where are they coming from is someone else just suddenly missing a [Laughter] liver so wild wait this reminds me of Sierra's story of like didn't she okay I feel like I'm going to butcher it but Sierra from ladies and tangents uhhuh was it that she like was missing her appendix but never had record of having her appendix removed yeah she had some sort of surgery and in the process it was like either her appendix or kidney or like she was missing something in her and they were like oh when did you have this surgery and she was like I never have and it wasn't that it was missing there was evidence inside of her body of like a surgical removal is this like something that happens to other people and that's where these parts are being conjured from is p an alien maybe perhaps and she like spends time on a

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spaceship and abducts people and does like the reverse organ collection organ harvesting to then use to heal all these other people under the guise of just like this little old lady who likes energy work I feel like we're missing some Vital Information but also we're just filling in gaps of nonsense cuz we don't know right it does feel like nonsense but if there was someone who was going to figure it out it was Dr Hobo grinberg and that's what he tried to do so he soon gained the trust of this ancient Aztec Emperor who possessed pach and the emperor taught Dr grinberg how to manipulate reality which is what he was doing to basically perform these surgeries which Dr grinberg then called the cgic theory and I was looking up cgic Theory because I was like what the heck is this and I literally found a Declassified document on the cia's website about this topic because of Dr grinberg so basically there's this publication that says that the cgic theory postulates that the brain creates

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an energetic field so a neuronal field is what they call it that expands into space it interacts with the space matter Continuum and is able to change the informational content of the lad and thus affects other neuronal fields and physical forces so essentially I mean it's kind of hard to digest it that way but I was doing a bunch of research and essentially what it's trying to say is there's this field around our reality it's called a source field and outside of our brains is the neuronal field which is where our Consciousness lives so we can kind of think of this as like this is why I was saying this part reminds me of interstellar because it does feel like when he's floating through the library and there's like it's not a library he pushes the book out to his daughter but he's in that kind of like extra Dimension and there's all these like lines and numbers and everything's everywhere so that's kind of what it feels like it feels like almost like the simulation and our Consciousness lies outside of what we just experience in our own field and like there's like a blocker basically that keeps us from being able to experience what more is possible and

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what we're capable of this like really just makes me think that life is a simulation and this is proof of it and some people just know how to manipulate it but the rest of us are just like cogs in the machine and believe what we've been told quite literally because like the dumbest way of saying this is that pachita basically knew how to put in the code Rose Bud semicolon exclamation mark semicolon exclamation mark and could just do whatever she wanted in in the simulation yeah so Dr grinberg in this theory he said that most people operate at a level which splits separating our Consciousness from The Source field but for a few people who operate as this like cgic being as he put it you are one with everything this is very like everything everywhere all at once too you are one with everything you have the knowledge of the universe and theoretically you could use this to manipulate time space gravity you could materialize organs out of thin air and heal people in a few days rather than a few weeks or months so it literally is just like do you know the cheat code do

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you know how to pull different what you need from just like The Ether of existence either pach knew or like the Aztec warrior working through pach knew Dr grinberg he published this paper stating or I guess theorizing rather how to achieve telekinesis telepathy and levitation all of this is from his work with pachita and with this ancient Aztec Emperor Emperor and Warrior December 8th 1994 Dr grinberg and a lot of his material suddenly disappears and this is right after he published the cgic theory never been found he is a missing person vanished I like literally have chills cuz again this feels like it's lore but it's real he just disappeared he disappeared no one knows where he is and so some people are like maybe he figured out like how to be the Oneness with the source field and like how to

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basically level up in the game and it's like bopped into some other dimension now or was he kidnapped maybe by the CIA or some other service out there but I think and was either killed or is being kept based on his access to something that a lot of us don't understand it's almost like I want to have this knowledge and I would love to be able to tap into this but then it becomes dangerous because you become a threat to the simulation and who knows about the simulation and can take you out yeah and it's so hard because it's like I guess what's the difference between pachita and Dr grinberg Dr grinberg had this reputation which was of a neuroscientist like he had a lot of credentials which made people believe in the things that he was publishing and his work that was being published was viewed as like a professional scientist that should be taken seriously where P who was actually practicing it it seems like such a wild story that maybe they felt like she was

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no threat at all because she was just this little old lady living in this house who like had these weird sketchy neries she also didn't seem like the type of person who was like out there marketing herself she was more of like a it's like a reference Word of Mouth type of situation yeah if you know you know also pacha's reputation as a witch and a Healer grew and soon talk of her ability reached other continents so I guess it is really a word of mouth thing and I couldn't really find anything about any deaths on her clients so like I truly think maybe everybody survived but there was obviously some questions people had about the surgeries and what was being removed and what not from these patients and so people were like could these be just like weird body parts of animals could these be I don't know just like a fleshy thing that she like concocted in her kitchen like what is this and so there was actual testing done on some of the organs that were removed from clients to see what the hell was going

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on what these things were and they came back as confirmed organ matches with the clients that she had taken them out of so she literally was removing these organs what she was putting in I don't think they ever got the opportunity to test that in 1979 Pita passed away in Lassa de la bras and today people claim to see her spirit wandering through the house strange shadow Shadows odd noises they feel a presence lurking about and even demonic figures are said to roam the walls of laasa deas some have theorized that P's spells have actually trapped these spirits in the walls so something in her practice like anytime negative energy or something came she like basically trapped them in her house and was like ah you can't leave now you can barely do anything against me like I am your leader now uh so basically that P made the house haunted by the work that she was doing and of the healing that she was doing do people still live there is it still a house that is a good

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question I actually don't know cuz I would love to live there and just like Channel PTI just be like tell me your ways I think you can go in it I think it might be a museum again now too wow I mean listen I feel like this is one of those topics that can so easily go from Wow Let's just endure this magic to holy [ __ ] what is the truth of the world is this a simulation conspiracy hats on foil the start radio chel speak aliens so it's fine line it is and this is what happens when you start to spiral deeper and deeper on the internet because it literally started with Mexico had an exorcism whoa Mexico's first serial killer a witch told him to be one whoa and then it's like and now what the [ __ ] is going on with the universe and who are we and where do we even live and who controls us and are we all one being experiencing the same thing or a bunch of other ones

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and how deep does our belly button really go yes and can p fix that conjure up more belly button material for me patch the hole this episode is the perfect example of like what researching looks like for us yeah and why it feels so impossible sometimes to choose something yeah yeah so in this case I chose three and also another example of how we're never going to run out of things to talk about because we just go down these rabbit holes and also like we've been doing this for seven years I'm shocked we hadn't heard of this before and the fact that we both ended up getting Stu like the fact that in the last week while we were both doing research for episodes to record in batch episodes we both ended up on the same article right that is weird that's strange the universes they wanted us to talk about this or we're just so in sync with like however we're Tethered to each other and connected on this plane that we're we're getting the the same things directed to us we're tethered yeah I

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like being Tethered to you me too okay it's fun it is fun okay well I have a

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story from our listener Andrea and I picked it because of Witchcraft like I was kind of going on that yeah perfect that path I mean witches were pretty much involved in most of this episode so it is called curse hex witchcraft cleanse trust your gut trust your pets and trust your witch friends moms hi girlies my name is Andrea this is the first time that I write into a podcast not that I listen to a lot of them because I'm a bit picky but I found your podcast in 2023 after feeling I needed spookiness in my life your Vibes and how funny you two are specifically you Karen you are hilarious I love how this episode was like your Vibes and we started out the episode being like we're depressed and crying what is life you know what I guarantee there are some listeners out there who can relate to the depression and they're like I'm not alone let's

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listen to Spooky things to just cope week to week and even sometimes dayto day how much things can swing for a person and what happens in their lives you know so remember how you and I were trying to find a specific story that we read I wonder if it's this one because Andrea says I decided write in after hearing a listener story about breuh Haria in episode 80 so we should look and see if that's the same one you're talking about yeah yeah yeah I'm from Chile and Chile has tons of myths Legends and mystery stories this experience happened back in 2018 but I remember it as if it was yesterday everything started in 2010 maybe a couple of months after Chile's earthquake that my dad during his morning in downtown visiting clients bumped into an old nanny of ours to have a nanny in Chile is pretty common and it's not super fancy but this nanny was struggling with work and finding a place to live so my dad thought she could stay with us like old times for a bit she had left us in 2005ish so it's been about 5 years my dad came home later that day

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and told us that I'm going to call her n was going to stay with us for a while until she managed to get back on her feet again and we were thrilled because we had a really great time with her and liked her a lot so basically the way it was going to work is that she was going to be doing the cleaning and cooking for the house in exchange of living with us like a Livin Nanny situation yeah this dragged way too long for way too much time but my parents are the nicest people in the world and they rarely say no except if you're their child LOL the first years yep years were good she found a job close by she kept the house tidy cooked the yummiest meals etc etc it was also very weird because to every family event or trips there she was she was everywhere and anywhere with us my parents house was always a very warm place with a very good vibe we'd always have people over to party and overall have a good time but as the years passed and started to do less and less in our house and in 2017 there was

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a major shift suddenly the house had a weird cold feeling it was gloomy that's when n got diagnosed with renal insufficiency and shortly after started getting dialysis mind you this person was young maybe like 30s early 40s yeah I started to feel so much anger disgust and hatred towards her even my dog started to bark and growl at her sometimes but also at the same time I felt sorry for her because of the whole kidney thing and how fragile a state she was in she was so weak that months after she was diagnosed with TB she got it controlled and luckily no one else in our family got infected but she still had it but then beginning of 2018 I sort of opened to my eyes what was going on I started question many things why is she here why is she not paying rent why is she eating our food why is she not cooperating with utilities if she lives rentree why isn't she cooperating with the house generally then may of 2018 my dad got diagnosed with lymphoma a cancer

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that affects your lymphatic system doctors found it pretty early but it was still shocking and terrifying I remember that my mom got my brother and I into a living room and held our hands and told us about our dad both my brother and I cried but it was in that very moment that something sparked in me and my first thought was is n going to continue living with us she has TB and maybe it's not contagious but my dad's immune system is going to be depleted and if he could contract this it would be worse right so I asked my mom if that was a risk that she was willing to take she took a minute and she said we'll talk about it later it was then the beginning of June and my dad was given his first date for chemotherapy and N was still in our house I started to get in arguments with my mom that she should man up and kick her out of the house which that fight didn't end up well because my own mother ended up kicking me out of the house saying if you don't like it the door is wide open it was brutal I wasn't going to be home then so I went to my friend's house and I told his mom about this whole situation she without taking her eyes off of me said in a very

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serious and quiet voice Miha you should talk to this woman and she gave me a piece of paper with a woman's name and number I came home the day after and I could feel the regret in my mom's eyes I was hurt so I was not going to make things easy for her so I kind of just ignored her later I was watching Game of Thrones and she sat by my side and told me how awful she felt for screaming at me and kicking me out that she never meant it blah blah blah I was like okay Mom but that doesn't change my question or my request we need to get this woman out of the house for Dad's safety she agreed but then she crumbled down crying saying the whole situation was too much so I told her what my friend's mom suggested and she said she would give it a go so I did that night I messaged the woman who I will call G without giving too much information about what was going on she said you and your mom should come tomorrow at 900 p.m. so we went and she read cards for my mom and we found out that n had actually tried to curse and hexus the woman that was living with them yeah oh my gosh oh this

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is like totally taking a Different Twist cuz at first I was thinking you know the Sandra bulock movie bird box and there's like the Dilemma within that where it's like keeping her child safe or both of the children safe and like that one child's innocent like I could understand this person's mom's dilemma of like okay my husband should come first cuz he's the family but this person feels like family and she's going through so much and she's so weak like to just kick someone out at that point feels it's so hard to make that decision right but also keep in mind this woman has been living with them since 2010 it's now 2018 yeah she's like family so an had apparently tried to curse and hex us her goal was to take over the household which is why my parents were so blindsided and now that I think about it my mom during all of those years was never taken in consideration for household decisions my dad would always ask n according to the switch she paid a decent amount of money to get the is done and she comes from the countryside and in Chile the weirdest [ __ ] happens

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in the countryside but as you girls might know when you throw that kind of energy into the world that can bounce back in the shape of illnesses or Misfortune and gez did that woman have lots of illnesses and Misfortune upon her anyway G gave us instructions on what to do we had to get rid of her before midnight as that day happened to be a magic day for cleaning and new beginnings and once my mom banished her we then had to tell my dad firmly that she has to go and if he doesn't like it my mom and I would be leaving the house for good the next day G would perform a cleansing of the house so we left G's house it was 11:2 p.m. we had 40 minutes to get home and do all of this I was driving I had so much adrenaline running through me are we going to make it in time I don't know there were a lot of lights but I kid you not when I'm telling you that every stupid light was green on our way home all of them it was like the universe was trying to help us get home and it was taking care of us we got home and my stomach dropped I felt so nauseous it felt like it was out of a horror movie I swear that my house didn't even look like it used to we were

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in the living room we held hands and I told my mom you can do it you are powerful you've just been asleep you need to claim what's yours your house your family your peace your energy your happiness I've never seen her struggle so much to face something so she did it she went into n's room and thanked her for the first years and the immense help she gave us but it was time for her to move on after 8 years and she didn't want her to leave next week or anything no she wanted her to leave tomorrow then we went to my dad who was soundly asleep and woke him up and we told him that n was leaving tomorrow he was like why we were like because she has to it's been more than enough and if he didn't like it we would be leaving instead he was like no no no I understand we said good night and we went to bed girls I have had bad nights but that one Jesus it was so bad I dreamt that I confronted her in my dreams and she was like why are you doing this to me and I said it's because it's been enough you've been leeching from my family and it was all red and black and confusing I woke up sweating a couple of times I don't know

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it was awful I woke up the next day and I was tired and I asked my mom how she slept she said awful she explained her dreams to me they were the exact same dreams I had had oh my gosh we went downstairs and N was packing her things she didn't say a word of gratitude or anything to us she seemed mad packed the last of her things and was gone didn't say a single word to us anyway lunchtime came came and my dad wasn't really speaking to us because I was the bad guy of course but G came to our house with a friend of hers and they did the cleansing together G is usually getting the energy and entities away while her friend is praying and supplies Gigi with power as Gigi Was preparing my dad came downstairs saying how he didn't believe in G or anything that she was doing it was awkward and he left I apologized to G and she was very understanding and she told me his reaction was normal that he was still maybe in a trance from the spell hex and curse would the cleanse work on him if he wasn't there I asked and she said yes that's fine all we need

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is a picture of him on the dinner table we had a plate with a white candle and a glass of water on the side she had a bowl of herbs with sticks and whatnot and they started praying and asking for protection and to bless us she lit the bowl and the smoke started to come out of it she put the bowl on the ground and told us to walk above it I was the first one all good the smoke and fire maintained regular but then my brother walked and wow there was a burst of Flames that came out as soon as he walked past it same with my mom what G told us that it was because they were more affected by the spell my mom and brother and I were coughing and crying holding hands while G was praying with her friend blessing us and protecting us she explained that the coughing and crying was the release of negative energy within us they added a few more herbs and started cleansing the house apparently they felt seven entities or shadows in the house one was in her room and I saw G fight with it she would faint and in her friend with would start praying harder and G would come back to reality and banish whatever was there they repeated this in every room on the

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first floor then the smoke was way too much for me I'm asthmatic so I was told to sit down on the couch and wait there my mom went with G and her friend to the second floor and according to my mom my room was fine but my brothers she said that the second they stepped into the room the bowl blew up several Flames several times same with my parents this is so wild oh my God I swear the bowl that they took to the second floor was barely smoking but when they came down there was Flames burning from it I asked if they added anything to it and my mom was like nope apparently their bedroom my parents room was the most charged you know how I mentioned that the bowl had herbs well what was left over in that bowl looked like tar it was black sticky gross G put the tar and burned it in the fireplace but man that thing was not coming off in Chile we have a plant that we call Ruda I believe in English it's Rue it's magnificent it can cure stomach EG but also if you have one in the front of your house it's supposed to help with bad energies and it is said that if it

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dries out that there is a bad energy in your house as you might have guessed ours was dead G told us to get the plant and burn it with the tar so we did then we went to check the plate with the candle that was almost completely consumed and the wax formed awful looking faces that almost looked demonic and that glass of water that had been on the table which was plain water all of a sudden now was dirty and gross and and it had bubbles like a white slime on top absolutely disgusting literally everything that can be affected is affected yeah so we took the melted wax and put it in the bathroom along with the gross water and we cussed the bad energy saying it was not welcome ever again in this household and we banished it from this plane my mom brother and I sat on the couch and this feeling of relief was astronomical I felt sleepy in peace warm and happy we thanked G and her friend and they blessed us once again after that I had a few more dreams about this woman n and a friend told me to put her name in the freezer to stop her from anything so I did and I've

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never dreamt of her ever again a few of our friends have seen her out and about in our town and say she looks evil like somber the relationship with my parents the dynamic in general with the family improved so much after she was gone our house felt like our house again warm cozy happy and not scary my dad is now cancer-free my mom is back at her Virgo powerful era and we are all happy thanks for creating a space we can tell stories without being judged I hope to hear my story eventually I have lots of catching up to do but love you girls have a great day Andrea I was all over the place with this story too with my opinions cuz in the beginning I was like okay I understand like this person must feel like family after so long but then at the same time I was like well Andrea doesn't feel that way Andrea is very quick to be like no I think something's wrong there's a lot of like gross weird energy around this person let's get them out where if someone had been living with you for that long you would think that they would feel differently but but Andre didn't so it was really interesting cuz I was thinking about all of this like as the story was going and

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then the fact that there wasn't nearly as much smoke or reaction around Andrea like The Veil The glimmer the glamour or whatever was not there for her as much it reminds me of the sex with fa story where it's like that one girl was with that group of guys and she was the only one not impacted by this like right whatever Glamour the Fay was putting on these guys and Andrea just saw through it and it's so interesting cuz it's like the whole family feels like everything is maybe normal to an extent but it's clearly not because then when this person is removed from their lives and they're cleansed and they go through this whole like ritual practice to kind of like remove that type of energy or whatever like hex was put on them life was different after like there is a before that happened and an after and it's a very clear divide and things were better relationships were better everything was better it's scary how I mean obviously this is happening over such a long period of time but it sounds like it kind of was happening really slowly that it wasn't until Andrea's dad

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was diagnosed with cancer that like Andrea was like wait wait hold on like all of her concerns were very Justified of like okay this woman in our house has TB and is like constantly sick if my dad is going through chemo and his immune system is like completely messed up like we need to make sure he's being taken care of and like in a very healthy environment bubble wrap him up yeah EXA but it took that almost to break the spell you're right I do wonder what drove this woman to try to do this because the first few years seemed so great so did something happen after the fact right was three or four years in what did she want there a moment what happened to her and what more did she want because she was already living somewhere for free and it seemed like a great situation like I don't know I feel like this could have gone in such a different direction where things could have been very happy and like it just I don't know I just feel sad does make me wonder if she encountered something out there in the world you know where maybe

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there was an attachment something darker that found her that was kind of like Whispering these things and pushing her to do these things yeah was it fully just like on her own accord that she did all these things or was there an outside influence I always think like when I think about these things like even the story of the man in the house of lament like there's always an origin story yeah obvious there's some people who are just like evil and maybe like the conversation of like nurture versus nature but like I think you can always like dig into someone's psyche and understand at least a little bit with empathy of how they got to where they are but right it's sad that it got to a point where she was willing to impact other people so heavily mhm and it was impacting her it was impacting her right yes she herself was UN well I do wonder if that's one of those things where like when she went to the countryside to make that deal if there was again like that ominous warning where it's like you're bound now to this deal and it will come

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back to you in whatever sort of way because to me I'm like if she had already gone through the process of doing that sort of like curse I would think that she would go back to the same people to be like can you help me with my health issues that I'm going through is there anything for this but maybe oh it's such a complicated situation I don't know I would love to talk to N I want to hear n's side of the story just because but I so don't want to interact with someone who's potentially cursing people but I just want to know more same like I feel like we get all the stories from people who have been cursed but we don't have the stories from people who are cursing we'd like to hear from you too you can be anonymous anonymous yeah and just like promise not to curse us please let us freely judge you but you can't judge us we're already depressed just listen to the beginning of this episode and realize that we don't need to be cursed no things are already happening we struggling as is but if you have any paranormal encounters please email them to us at two girls monos

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