HAUNTED DOLL THAT KILLS| Harold the Doll, Possession, Demons & Unbinding (Ep 372 - PART 2)

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This psychic goes on to say that there are five spirits inside the doll. Okay. Anony's like, "Does that mean you are a demon?" The flashlight turns on. Little Vincent almost gets possessed. And when he came too, like after his fit, he doesn't remember it. And then we'll see if any of you get haunted. This is part two of Harold of the Doll.

Yeah. [music and singing]

Very spooky.

Hi. We've already had hauntings.

What?

From part one.

No way.

Yeah. I told you.

I didn't see this come in. Did you? I told you yesterday with our editor uploaded the episode of part one

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[laughter] and lit it's like literally the moment that we start talking about Harold. All of the audio cut out.

She edited it totally fine. Had no bad experiences. Uploaded it. The version she uploaded had audio. It just the second we start talking about Harold.

It's like one of those things where I'm like this is a sign we shouldn't put it out. But then unfortunately we have to

we're Yeah. Like it's just

it's our job. It's our job. It's what we decided to do. We're not gonna scrap an episode and frankly we don't have time to.

And also I kind of love seeing what happens.

Well, now I'm nervous. Maniacal.

I feel like a lot of people get some sort of like bad hauntings sometimes with these stories.

So now I'm nervous for our listeners. Well, as we will learn today, apparently the hauntings related to Harold should have stopped.

Oh, okay. Okay.

But

and yet here we are experiencing something.

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Well, this is two girls, one ghost.

Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghostesses. That's Karen. Hello. Over there down yonder

with my tissue. [laughter] Well,

your toilet paper toilet paper. There a tissue in my house. I've blown through them. Unfortunately, it's not an illness. It's seasonal allergies. So, we might get many more weeks of me sounding like this with my toilet paper roll in my hand.

And I'm Sabrina. Sons toilet paper roll.

Son's [laughter and clears throat] toilet paper roll. Fairly neutral allergies this season.

Yeah. Which I'm very happy with.

Anyway, yeah. So, we're back with part two of Harold the doll.

It sounds so casual when you're like, we're back with part two.

We're back. these people might not be severely haunted.

where we left off

Well, last week, um, okay, so to be very clear, this is part two of Herold of the Doll. So, if you would like the context, we highly encourage you to go check out episode 371, part one. But if you're

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like, nah, I don't need that. Okay, sure. I'll give you a little recap.

You can also watch on YouTube if you want to see some pictures, which you included last week.

But you're not supposed to look in Harold's eyes. Yeah, you're not supposed to.

And then the the um thumbnails that I'm making for these two episodes are just like straight up Harold's face.

Oh no, [laughter] just unsuspecting YouTube browsers.

Am I evil?

Am I evil?

Little thing. [laughter]

Okay,

if you watch this week, you might find the scariest thing, my mouth breathing the whole time.

That's okay. Okay. So, in part one, I shared how what started as a very simple eBay listing of a so-called haunted doll, although it was fabricated on the first post. Yes, we had talented creative writers.

Yes. But it quickly spiraled into something much more and very haunted. People reported headaches, confusion, unease simply just from looking at a photo of this doll online. The original

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seller himself claimed the doll brought him illness, depression, and the overwhelming sense that something wasn't right. Someone even had a vision of this original owner burning and dying just because he was trying to get rid of the doll. And then when Harold was passed on to his first real owner, Kathy, that's when things became impossible to ignore. What started as a questionably fake story was now a very real haunting. And anyone who interacted with the doll, including Kathy herself, faced injuries, illness, and in part one, we talked about how two people did die.

Yes.

After encountering and spending time with Harold the doll,

very real deaths, very sudden deaths.

Kathy still was unsure of what she was dealing with. She didn't really believe Harold was haunted, but maybe he was cursed. Either way, the horrible encounters were enough for her to put Harold back on eBay. back for sale for some other innocent person. And that is

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when a man named Anthony Quinada found Harold. He was a skeptic as we talked about in part one. And in fact, he was seeking out socalled haunted objects to prove that they weren't real.

Uhhuh.

And then after bringing him

which like I kind of appreciate that approach.

Totally. Yeah. Like I feel like there should, you know, I say there should be some skepticism even though you and I often go in like

Yeah. just fully believing everything and anything and it's like prove that you're not haunted.

Yeah.

But no, I do I I appreciate that.

Yeah,

because he's not saying nothing is haunted. He's saying I think most things aren't, so let's see what is.

Yes.

And then after bringing Harold into his home and testing the doll, Anthony was forced to question everything he thought he knew. And then where we left off at the end of the episode last week, Harold threatened a psychic saying, "I'm going to kill you, bitch." And Anthony wouldn't have believed it had he not caught an EVP of the spirit saying that exact thing. So yeah, that's where we

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left off

and where we're going to pick up this week. I'm going to tell you the countless experiences that Anthony has had with Harold, some answers as to what spirit or spirits seem to be possessing Harold, and then where Harold is today. Um, and then we'll just discuss some of our theories. But like I did last week, I gave a warning. So, I'm going to give that same warning at the top of this episode. This episode might be one of those ones where we call it a most haunted episode where potentially you might get haunted.

Right. We haven't had enough time with the actual episode like coming out yet to know.

We've only had our editor's experience and then just the warnings of every single person who's come before us.

Yes.

Which feels like enough. Em and Christine covered Harold the doll on and and that's why we drank. I don't know when it was. A couple years ago, but during their episode, a picture of Christine's dog flew off the wall. No,

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no, no, no. And it's going to be bad.

A sad story about a dog in this story. God. Okay. So, that being said, we recommend that you set intentions and pick where you listen to this episode. If you were like, I don't care. I want to listen. Just be conscious of where you're listening to it. If your house is super sensitive and likely to get haunted, maybe don't listen at home. And I feel like just don't listen in your car. We say that because there have been car accidents and car car related troubles, scary things that have happened to people

relating to stories that are spooky. Some of them have cars in them, which is like

maybe a part of it. This one doesn't, but like I feel like still it's kind of a warning.

Yeah. And honestly, we're not trying to scare you. We're just trying to like protect you. Yeah. If you want to listen in your car, you totally can. I just recommend setting intentions.

Yeah. Or maybe park your car at a park. Get yourself a nice Jersey Mike sandwich.

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We've been on a Jersey.

We've been on a Jersey Mike. We weren't even together yesterday. And Sabrina goes, "I'm ordering Jersey Mike's for lunch. Do you want me to order one to your house? And [laughter] I was like, yeah, I do.

You sent me a sandwich from miles away.

I did. [laughter] That's friendship.

That's friendship. I was like, wow, I feel so taken care of. [laughter]

I got you, girl.

You want the mayo? Yeah, I do want the mayo. [laughter]

Oh man. Okay, I got to blow my nose. I love how you whipped your eye first. I was like, are we crying about Jersey Mike? [laughter] How did we get Jersey Mike to sponsor us? Those are the two. Jersey Mike and Dunkin Donuts. God, get it together. New England.

Well, Jersey is not in New England, but Northeast. [laughter]

That all being said, are we ready?

I have no choice.

So, I guess sure.

But here we are. Um, oh, my last warning is don't mock Harold. If you look at a picture of him and you have thoughts, just keep them to yourself. Don't even say them out loud. Don't mock him. Don't challenge him. That seems to really based on the hauntings piss him off.

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Okay. So, we're going to start the

look into Harold's eyes

episode with a picture of Harold and Anthony if you dare look at them. Um, at Anthony, [laughter] what did I do? I never look at Anthony.

Actually, I do have Well, there's a couple thoughts I have. I mean, as we saw last week with Anthony, like there's some things that he does that I'm like, Anthony, why did you make that choice? And you're kind of a little bit rude to some people,

but sometimes it feels like things like actions versus intentions aren't quite

aligning with him. But

you know what? Maybe this is an episode for the car because then people won't be looking at pictures of Harold.

Fair. Fair. I actually think Harold's cute. I wouldn't have

He's not what I expected.

Yeah. He's like a little doll.

Yes. He He's a baby doll.

He's a baby doll. I always picture like creepy like porcelain or like you know like the

the typical like

he used to be on stage performing with his own

venturiloquist. Yeah. [laughter] Now

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he's retired and cracked and just

show he grew out of show biz too old [laughter] aged out.

Yeah.

No, but this guy Yeah. He looks like he once was loved by many children.

Agreed. We don't know the history of who owned him really. Um

No.

But okay. So, unfortunately, I don't have a massive update about April, who was the medium that was threatened to be killed by Harold. She did not die. Harold did not kill her,

but she did choose to never be around Harold again. And apparently, she did feel like Harold would visit her and harass her in her dreams

ever since then.

Jeez. But

which is like one of the craziest things I feel like about part one was just the fact that we got to experience or well we got to see that a medium heard live something that the other party Anthony in the room did not hear.

Yeah. He was skeptical of her and then when playing the tape back heard exactly what she reported being told by Harold

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the doll which I feel like should just immediately change any perspective from Anthony and just fully make him a full-on believer.

I agree. I agree. And I do think he became pretty much a full believer, but he, as we'll see, I feel like he becomes almost a puppet of like he thinks he's in control, but he's actually being puppeted by Harold. What's the name of the ventriloquist doll in

Goosebumps?

Yeah. Is it Lucky or something? Cuz now this is making me think of him where it's just like you are controlled.

Let's see. Slappy.

Slappy. Okay, so this episode's going to be a long one. Hold on to your butts. There's a lot that happens and a lot that I like cut out because it's just too much. But there's a book if people want to read the whole thing.

Yes. Which is linked in the show notes. Um, okay. So, despite this ominous warning and threat that Harold just gave

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to this medium, Anthony is like stoked. He's like even more excited and wants to find out more cuz he was a skeptic before. So now he's like excited to like dive in and really learn more. The year is 2003. Harold has officially threatened to kill his friend April. And no, Anthony decides, I'm going to start traveling with Harold.

Yeah, this literally feels like a series of children's books. And the following encounters happen from like 2003 to 2005, and I'm going to share them as if they are children's books. A grown man

Harold & Anthony go on adventures

traveling the world with a baby doll doing a bunch of tests. Harold and Anthony go to a bookstore. Anthony brings Harold back to the bookstore in Cherry Creek, Colorado, and meets with a group of women who all want to look at the doll. Anthony is at a table joined by six women. They sit in the basement of the store after hours. And he takes Harold out of his bag and sets up his recorder like he did when he was with April. And the moment he takes Harold out and puts it on the table, multiple

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women in this group starts pulling out crystals. Also, you pitching this as like a children's book without the context of Harold being a haunted doll is just already strange being like six women wanted to see this man's baby doll. [laughter] Like they get their crystals, they're packed them up. But Anthony thinks it's funny cuz he's like, "Wow, like all these women, woo woo women just pulled out crystals. What? How funny." He So he's like, "Why did you guys do that?" And one woman said it was for protection. And another woman said that the moment Anthony took Harold out of the bag, she got this wave of heavy dark energy and she got scared.

Wow.

When Anthony gets home, he reviewed the audio and he captured multiple EVPs. But here's what's wild is that when the women took out their crystals timing wise in the recording, all of a sudden this like buzzing noise starts happening in the recording. And it happened through the end of the recording when the buzzing. What freaks me out about that is that felt very early days of our own podcast where we would have like I

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know that they were microphone tech issues, but it would be like random clicking and buzzing that we just could not get rid of. And we'd have to record so many episodes like three times over, right?

Just to get it to sound somewhat normal.

Maybe did we have crystals around? Were we messing with the audio energy? I don't know.

Oh, maybe. I probably did have like a bowl of crystals on my nightstand that we were recording next to. So, when that strange buzzing noise started, there's an EVP on the recording, and it's the same angry voice that had threatened April, it says, "Stop it." The buzzing intensifies, and it continued for the rest of the recording, like I was saying, as if the crystals were impacting the energy of the space. And one of the women later confided in Anthony, saying they got the feeling that whatever spirit was inside the doll was trapped, like it couldn't get out, but it wanted to.

Interesting.

So, keep that in mind for later. But this kind of taught Anthony that the spirit doesn't like the crystals.

Okay. Did they have any feeling at this point as to whether the spirit was like a bad spirit that just wanted to

I mean it literally threatened to kill

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someone. So

or were they just so upset and distraught about being trapped?

No indication at this moment.

Book two. Harold and Anthony get denied by a psychic. [laughter] Anthony decided to travel with Harold and take him on a trip to California where he was going to visit his mom and sister. And his sister really wanted to do a psychic reading. So Anthony decided to come along and bring Harold cuz he was like he's doing all these tests, right? He's like, "Let me bring him to as many different people who can do readings and see if like they're saying the same information

cuz he had many many psychic friends, but he was also very skeptical of his psychic friends."

Yes. So he brings Harold and he's like, "Maybe the psychic can do a reading for Harold." The second Anthony walked into the store, before even taking Harold out of the bag, the psychic has a visceral reaction to Anthony coming into the store and tells him he has to leave.

Wow. Anthony tries to bring Harold out and is like, "Wait, can you do a reading? Like, I'm confused." The psychic literally has to physically step

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backwards. She is so like takenback by the energy.

And she was not told ahead of time like, "Hey, I'm coming with a haunted doll." It's just like a random client who's booked a reading or even a book asking for one.

Wow.

So, she's like, "You have to leave. You have to leave. You have to leave." And here's this thing about Anthony, like I'm saying, you'll pick up on it a lot if you haven't already. He doesn't really seem to get it. Like, he thinks that the woman's being rude to him, but it's clearly [sighs] the energy of this entity is just so strong, if not evil. Okay, not to bash Anthony in this exact moment, but I am curious if with separated from Harold if Anthony has ever had experiences like this too because like could some of this be his own energy?

No, for sure it's I think it's definitely his energy.

Oh, you mean like him getting denied? Oh, no, no, no. It's definitely Harold.

Okay.

It's definitely Harold. But

yeah, cuz I was like we're blaming the doll, but but could this have a pattern prior to the doll?

I thought you were saying the like him

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thinking the woman was rude. Like that's Anthony energy.

That's Anthony energy.

He just He's a little Yeah. He doesn't get it. So Anony's sister like after the fact is like, "No, no, she wasn't being rude. She was terrified." Yeah. So he gets denied. He has to leave. Now book three. Harold and Anthony visit the Wh house in San Diego.

Oh, why would you bring him there?

This story blows my mind and it's like it's giving you so much context of the spirit in the doll. Okay. Isn't the Whe House where there was like axing and stuff like that?

Have we come?

I get the Wheel and the Sally House mixed up all the time.

I don't know. I think the Whe House there was a hanging tree like right outside.

Okay.

And there was like a there's a lot but like people go to the Wheelm evidence, EVPs, photos.

I do remember a listener photo of a dog underneath a t a ghost dog table from there.

Scout's mom saw that.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah. So, not a listener,

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but a

close friend

cuz she doesn't listen. [laughter]

Close friend's mom.

So, sometime between 2004 and 2005, Anthony decides to bring Harold to the very haunted Whley House in San Diego. It's super haunted. People catch EVPs and photos of ghosts all the time here. And so, Harold thought it might be an opportunity for him to catch more evidence of the spirit within Harold.

And it worked. Now, I know the whole story of Harold. This is maybe my favorite story because it's like, I'll just tell I'll just tell it. I'm getting excited. [laughter] So, up until this point, there wasn't much known about like the personality of the spirit in the doll. We knew like male, angry, threatens to kill,

might actually kill, doesn't like crystals. But here is where Harold shows some personality. So, Anony's walking around the house with Harold and he has his recorder going the whole time. He's recording the whole thing. At some point there are like two women who are he cross paths with who are also touring the house and he stops and he has a brief conversation with them. They're from the UK. They're visiting yada yada

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yada. They're hoping to see a couple of ghosts. It's like a very like normal conversation,

right?

They talked for maybe like 10 to 15 minutes and they part ways. Later that night when Anthony is replaying his audio recording, here is what Harold had to say during Anony's conversation with those two women. Anthony and the women are talking and a loud male voice chimes in. You can get some. Moments later,

is aggressively or flirty?

Like he's basically encouraging Anthony that he can hook up with these girls. You can get some.

Oh, but then

so it's a bro trapped in a baby doll.

Moments later, this is like Harold's I'm going to say Harold, but a loud male voice says, "They're I'm telling you, they'll you. For the entire 20 minutes, Harold's voice, this male voice, continues to say really, really aggressive like sexual comments about Anthony sleeping with these women. But

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when the women and Anthony like part ways, Harold says, "I'm so disappointed in you."

Oh,

like upset with Anthony for not hooking up with these girls.

I know. This is so hard. I know I'm not supposed to say anything bad or else I invite something in. So, I guess I have to make keep my comments to myself.

No, you can. I mean, it just don't make fun of how he looks.

Oh, it's only about his appearance.

Well, I mean, like, we can give constructive criticism.

Okay. I feel like the energy that he was bringing and how intense he was about the desire to have them hook up made me think that there's some voyerism involved

and that maybe that is what he wanted. He wanted to see it.

Yeah. And toxic masculinity. like we've got some disturbing energy and um potential

well his interactions with women are either I'm going to kill you or I want someone to you which is

yeah toxic also

potentially demonic but we'll get there [sighs and gasps]

okay the next story next book Harold and Anthony get a tarot reading and go for a

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bite I put that in quotes you'll find out why

so Anthony decides to do a tarot reading for Harold and his friend Diane a friend from a ghost hunting group was like, you know, I haven't done tarot in a little while, but sure, I'll do a reading, like, you know, practice my skills. So, Anthony and Diane go to get lunch during her lunch break. And again, he sets up his recorder. And again, this is like another situation where Anony's kind of a dick, but but he does have a lot of female friends. So, it makes me wonder

if it's just pertaining to Harold, all the examples of his interactions make him appear kind of like a dick, but maybe he's not at all. Uh he he kind of like gives off a like I mean you'll just

be friends.

I feel like people just forgive him for things because they're like oh that's just Anthony. But okay so as Diane starts her reading she gets the feeling that the spirit of a child is in the doll. And again she had never heard what April the other psychic had said who had

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so she had no idea. And Diane says basically the exact same thing. It feels like a child who has been assaulted.

Wow. almost exactly what April said. So Diane continues to do a tarot reading which Anthony is like wow you're really rusty at this like you're not doing a good job. Like he basically says that and like in the moment is like maybe hopefully at least we got an EVP on the recording because your reading was Like he doesn't say it verbatim like that but that's the energy.

Okay. Well that is very rude and like what would he know,

right?

Does he read tarot? And like Diane was open and like being honest like, "Hey, I'm not great at this and I'm rusty, but like I'll do it for you as a favor for you." Right then and there after the reading, Anthony replays the recording. When Diane asks about the child's spirit, a male voice screams, "Fuck you." Then as they replay it, as they're replaying this whole thing, Diane feels a sharp pain on her hand. And then when she looks at her hand, she sees like

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almost a bite mark in her hand, there were like two teeth marks by her thumb. And when they looked at Harold's teeth, it almost looked like the same size. I tried to find a closeup of Harold's teeth, but like I couldn't. But you can kind of see here.

That is not what I was expecting. They're little.

Cuz I was like, "Oh, it's going to be it's going to be like the spirit the size of

No,

the spirit like however old they are." Cuz when they say a kid, like it could still be a 16-year-old. Like what do they mean when they say kid?

Keep this in mind. We already have this angry man.

Yeah.

He's the EVP we're getting. And every time they someone asks about the child, there's a threat of I'm going to kill you. There's someone biting like biting.

Yeah. It almost feels like the angry man doesn't want people to know about the little boy.

So disturbing, especially given the two psychics feel like this is a child who has been assaulted. I hate that they're they're still being controlled.

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Yes. Okay. Harold and Anthony use a Ouija board. Anthony decides to use a Ouija board at some point to talk to Harold. And he knew that he shouldn't do it alone, so he just in case contacted some friends. Almost all of his friends who have at this point heard about or know about Harold and Harold ant antics are like absolutely not. No thank you. Keep me as far away from that doll as possible.

But then there was this like newer woman to the ghost hunting group who didn't know as much. Her name is Heather and she's like, "Sure thing. I would love to. I'd love to do a Ouija board with you and your haunted doll. Absolutely. Count me in. I'm coming over. Um this is the last time Heather and Anthony ever really talked."

It does sound enticing.

It does. proposition me with that? Absolutely, I will come to your [laughter] house. So that evening, Anthony and Heather meet up to use a Ouija board and they do not set any intentions. They do not do any protective rituals. They're just like, "Let's get into it." They put Harold in between them and they start using the Ouija board as always. Anthony turns on

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his recorder and this is how the session went. They ask, "Is there anyone here?" It goes to yes. Are you the one trapped in the doll? planet moves to yes. Is your name Harold? It like flies to no.

Oh, okay.

They ask, "What is your name?" And it starts to spell out some letters. So, it spells out a h. And they're like, "Ahmed, is that your name?" The board goes silent. Like, they start asking more questions. The planchet doesn't move ever again. So, they play the recording back and they got one EVP right after they asked, "Ahmed, is that your name?" a voice spoke almost like annoyed and said, "Adam." And then as they're relisting to this, Heather yelt, and grabs at her side. And she runs to the bathroom and lifts her shirt and there is a long red like angry gash on her right side.

Whoa.

And she I'm grabbing my left side, but on her right side. And guess where

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Harold was sitting?

No way.

On her right [clears throat] side.

Is he only attacking women at this point? Uh yes. Although there was that one friend of Cathy's who was diagnosed with like terminal cancer,

right? He had a very quick diagnos,

but he also like lived in the bedroom where Harold was in the closet.

And then Anthony almost like doesn't talk about this much, but I do think throughout this time he's getting pretty impacted, but he's almost like not attributing it to Harold.

All right. Cuz I wasn't sure because it's also like he's he's his keeper. So like

Yeah. Do you mistreat or do you make that person's life perfect so you can keep trying to do whatever you want to do with your hunt doll self?

Y'all, it's complicated. Um, there's so many other adventures that they go on like they go to the Stanley Hotel. They go to SK Pierce Mansion. Wow.

They go on investigations. Like all of these things.

So really most of their trips are to haunted or like metaphysical type

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places.

Yeah. At least that he mentions in the book because it like pertains to the paranormal evidence. Okay, now we have a book called Harold Gets Locked Up.

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Harold gets locked up

People are constantly asking Anthony if he's scared of Harold. And Anony's like, "No, no, no." Like Harold knows better than to hurt me because Anthony feels like he's in control. But it's almost as if Harold is putting up with Anthony for the time being until he gets what he wants. [sighs and gasps] Because one night Anthony stands up and out of nowhere his leg just gives out to the point where Anthony collapses to the ground. This keeps happening like multiple times.

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Wow.

It felt like he had no control over his body. And then one day it almost was like a voice popping into his head, but it felt like it was his own thought. It said, "I tore your meniscus."

What in the world? Anthony goes to a doctor because his leg continues to give out and like he keeps like losing control of his body.

And he tells the doctor like, "Hey, I think I tore my meniscus." And the doctor's like, "I mean, maybe, but like based on your age and like your activity level," which I think he he didn't work out a ton. He's like, "I don't think you tore your meniscus.

What did you do to be able to tear your meniscus?"

But sure enough, an MRI did confirm it. He tore his meniscus. Anthony has to get surgery. And after the surgery, the surgeon is like, "Your knee is arthritic." Like, based on what we were seeing in there. So, it's kind of shocking to them. He has to do physical therapy twice a week for 6 weeks. And to this day, he still cannot straighten his right leg completely.

Wow.

So, he just knew he had this feeling

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that this was Harold's doing. So, finally, after two years of Harold tormenting other people, Anthony is finally questioning what he knows. Like, oh, maybe I'm not as control as possible. And also like why all of a sudden is Harold acting out? Like why is he hurting me? It's also kind of strange because I feel like in a lot of the scenar like even like the Ouija board and then that woman getting the gash on the side of her. It's like you're in control. Like this is your opportunity to share what you want to share. So why are you attacking people? No one's forcing you out of your vessel. No one's like trying to do any protective thing on you. I think you have you're on to something. Why is it so confusing? Because there's not just one spirit. There's many. While he's recovering from his surgery, he's like, "I feel like I'm missing a piece. I feel like there's something I'm not getting, which is why Harold like acted out or like there's something I should be doing." So, he reaches out to the renowned psychic Peter James, who has the best mustache

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I've ever seen. It literally looks like

Oh, wa.

a carpet. Like, it looks fake.

This is a Bob's Burgers mustache. [laughter]

It's so good. Damn, that is thick.

And it's it's super dark.

It makes me wonder if he uses mustache dye or if that's just the way it is,

right? Cuz he has his head his hair on his head is gray, but his eyebrows and his mustache are very rich.

The way you say mustache.

Well, it it is a mustache. It's not a mustache.

Mustache. Not a mustache. A mustache.

A mustache. Like calling it a mustache is like not enough credit to what this is.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like a yellow mustard versus a Dijon. They're different.

100. Yeah. Dijon. Djon Don mustache. Okay. So, Peter agrees to do a reading, but he's like, "Can you and Harold come fly to me?" Anony's like, "Yeah, absolutely. Harold and I love traveling." So, Anony's prepping for his trip, and the morning of the flight, he's getting ready to go. Like, he's got everything packed when he notices like a strange thing. on one of his window sill

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there are a bunch of coins lined up like almost very precariously placed on the like window sill and he's like I didn't do that.

Yeah,

that's really weird. He goes over them just to look at them. And the second he gets close, all of them like fall to the ground. And as they fall, Anthony is overcome with a fear he has never felt. And as he has that fear, he gets the feeling that someone is standing behind him. And then he's flooded with images, like horrific images of a plane exploding midair, falling into the ocean. And keep in mind, he's about to get on a plane to go fly to see Peter. And thank goodness Anthony takes this as a warning. He heeds the warning and he's like, "Peter, buddy, I really wanted to see your mustache, but we're not going to make it.

We're at a final destination situation

100%." And I'm like, "Thank God you listened." Also, he was struck with like a horrible pounding headache to the point where he had to lay down. So, he basically is like, "Oh, okay. I'm not

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going to go." But this fear that he felt is so it's so scary to him that he's like, I need to stop what I'm doing with Harold. Like, I don't understand this. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I thought I was missing a piece. I thought I was in control, but it's very clear I don't know what I'm dealing with. So, he wraps Harold in a bag, places holy water and a crucifix in there. And then if this were like some of the stories we've read before, I picture him putting him in a crawl space or in his attic

and then putting his house up for sale and leaving

and then another family moves in and they have young children and they find this thing wrapped.

Well, it's not too far off from that. So, he wraps Harold in this bag, puts holy water in a crucifix in there, zips the bag shut, secures him in a cabinet, locks the door of the cabinet, puts this cabinet in a storage facility, and this is where Harold remains for 8 years. stab.

Harold resurfaces

Here's what I think. I think Harold wanted out because in 2013, Harold

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resurfaces. For almost 8 years, Anthony has continued with his life almost completely forgetting about Harold

until all of a sudden randomly and I think this is like the era of like listicle and people being like top 10 haunted things or you know

someone posts a video on YouTube

forgot about listical all about Harold the doll and references the original eBay post from 2003 and someone sends this video to Anthony and there's so much incorrect information in this video like it's basically ally because for 8 years no one's heard about Harold or anything. The user in the YouTube video is like and no one knows where the doll is today. Like it's still out there like [clears throat] all this stuff. And I think

is it extra space storage,

right? and it has a lot of other false information about like the hauntings and the history and stuff and it the video has so much so many people viewing it that Anony's like okay maybe I feel like it's my responsibility to correct the story so that it doesn't get out of

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hand.

So after eight long years and I should say relatively peaceful years like Anthony had you know life problems but

he wasn't spirits were tearing his biscuits. Exactly. Anthony goes to his storage unit to retrieve Harold. He tells the original poster of the YouTube video that he owns Harold and the guy is like, "Okay, well 100 people have messaged me saying that they own Harold." Yeah. Like prove it. So Anthony decides to take a photo of Harold with the Daily Paper. So it has the date and we have that photo. It's dated August 15th, 2013. And he sends this photo to the guy and almost immediately one of his friends who he had told that he was going to do this starts getting sick. Like she's like being physically attacked and she calls him

so many women.

Mhm. She calls she calls Anthony and is like I'm so sick. And then Anony's like when did this start? And she's like

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probably around the time we talked about Harold. So Anthony hangs up the call and he looks at Harold and he's like, "Don't you ever attack anyone I love ever again. Do you hear me?" And he starts throwing holy water at the doll.

His friend stops getting like immediately feels better.

Okay. Well, I'm glad that that worked because I also feel like that's kind of a challenge and threat to some sort of spirits.

Yes.

Boundaries aren't always accepted.

Respected. No.

But so after this, Anthony puts Harold back in the storage unit cuz he was just trying to prove it, but he was going to continue on with his life. He's like, "Harold, you need to stay in storage." But as you can imagine, that taste of freedom and also probably maybe encouraged by Harold, like I feel like Harold's kind of controlling the narrative here, he's like, "I do not want to be locked up anymore." And Anthony wakes up with a massive scratch on his arm.

Wow.

And he just knows Harold is not happy. And then people online because now this video of Harold is like resurfacing. The story of Harold's resurfacing. People all over the internet are reporting

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hauntings just from looking at a photo of Harold. Multiple psychics are now saying that Harold had the darkest energy they had ever seen.

That is intense.

People were experiencing sleep paralysis and all types of hauntings all over the world. So Anthony is now like, "Okay, well shoot." Like I've kind of opened Pandora's box.

Yeah.

And it seems like even with Harold locked up now that he's on the internet like this, it's impacting people. Like I feel like I have a responsibility to stop Harold from impacting everyone.

It's also hard cuz it's like people are calling out to him.

I know.

And yes, he's tied to a vessel, but he also just exists as energy. So what is

Yes.

stopping him from

Yeah.

reaching out to anyone in the world. So Anthony decides to take Harold out of storage for real. Shortly after taking Harold out of storage, I mean like within hours, like Harold has these blue eyes, the doll.

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Yeah.

Anthony looks to the doll and feels like his eyes have changed to like this coal black

and every going to get blue eyes.

Oh no, Anony's possessed.

No, it's like that is creepy. Once in a while he'll like kind of peripherally look at Harold and his eyes are like a coal black.

Yuck. So now it's around this time that Anthony starts to piece together what kind of spirit or spirits are possessing the doll. And not really on purpose. And I'll be very clear like I don't really know what Anony's motive is. I don't even think he knows what his motive is. I think he's just kind of like trying anything.

Yeah.

And like see let's see what happens. But so Anthony continues to take Harold to multiple psychics. People who don't know anything about Harold, like there's one psychic who immediately the like first thing they say to Anthony is, "He's so glad he's not locked up anymore." Two psychics separately claim that there's a spirit of a very sad girl in the doll

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who loved the doll when she was alive, but now is trapped in the doll and is very sad.

Huh. So now we have

just be the child cuz

a little boy, a little girl, an angry man.

Yeah.

One psychic is like you need to take this doll up into the mountains into the forest and release the energy that was trapped in the doll. Anthony does not do this.

This does feel like the goosebumps like the goosebumps about Slappy even going up into the woods and like trying to get rid of him in the mountains. in Anony's book that he wrote all about this, you you do get some of his perspective because he's t like when he's getting all of these readings from different people, he seems still to be in such denial and doesn't believe that spirits could get trapped in it all. So, he's like getting all this information.

Wow, there's so many examples. This is the part where I'm like, is Harold or is one of the spirits, and we'll talk about the specific spirits later, but like is one of the spirits manipulating Anony's beliefs because he doesn't want Anthony

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to free the spirits that are trapped,

huh?

Just a thought.

Yeah. And like who bound these spirits to the vessel or did they find themselves?

Unfortunately, we're never going to answer to that. Yeah. But it seems to be very clear amongst everyone who is messaging Anthony, everyone who's doing readings of Harold that there is a very sad heavy energy in the doll. And apparently one psychic claims it doesn't like when people say the doll is possessed.

Okay. Can we say inhabited?

It's just unclear. It's also like what spirit is used

alive. It's definitely I will say it's definitely being it's that trapped is the right word. Spirits are trapped in stall.

Okay. So around this time because of the popularity of that video and now that everyone knows Anony's the owner, Anony's like going on radio shows, people it's like such a public story.

Yeah.

And because of that, guess who gets

Ghost Adventures & Island of Dolls

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intrigued? Good old Zachie.

Oh

Zachie Ban classic

Ghost Adventures. What's this Google alert? That's what I want to know. I don't know. I mean,

he finds everything.

He finds everything. So, the Ghost Adventures team reaches out to Anthony and they're like, "Hey, you up? Can we borrow your haunted doll for an episode?" And at first, Anthony is super apprehensive cuz he's like, "I don't know that that's a great idea."

Yeah. But as he's thinking this and he's like trying to figure it out, he gets a phone call from one of his psychic friends and they're like, "Hey, so Harold's really pissed at you because you're supposed to be doing more and you're not you're not doing what Harold wants." So Anony's like, "Oh, is that Harold basically telling me I should say yes to Ghost Adventures?"

Bro meets Bro energy.

So he looks at Harold and he lit he's like, "Harold, like I'm begging you. Please give me guidance." Even though I would argue the psychic just gave guidance, but here Anthony wants the guidance like one-on-one. He wants it

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direct.

Okay. Yes.

That afternoon, Anthony takes a nap and he has a dream. And in this dream, Anthony is sleeping with Harold the doll in a dirty old shack with walls covered in dolls. And in this dream, Anthony hears voices and then he sees three men and he can't like really make them out,

but they're they walk into the shed and they look at Anthony and Harold and they're confused and afraid and suddenly these three men sprint from the shack and then Anthony notices the shack is now on fire. So he grabs Harold the doll and like sprints from the shack and wakes up from this dream.

Huh.

He's very confused by it.

Yeah. He has no idea what it meant and he puts it in the back of his mind. This dream is going to come back. So remember this. He decides to take this Ghost Adventures request seriously. So he starts calling around and asking people like how legit they are, making sure they are respectful. Everyone seems to agree that Ghost Adventures like crew

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very respectful. They don't like ruin places that they go to visit. They're legit. So ultimately he decides to agree to the offer. He's hoping that when the episode airs he'll get even more answers and like really know what to do. Yeah.

So, he ships Harold to the Ghost Adventures team and he just requests that they're very careful with the doll because his left arm was in bad shape and it was close to falling off. The Ghost Adventures team receives Harold. They film the episode and I guess after filming they call Anthony and they're like, "Zach was so happy. Harold is a star. The filming went great,

but he doesn't really know much else about the episode. Like, he's going to find out with the rest of the world when the episode comes out." So, Harold shipped back to Anthony. I'm sure Harold was stoked to get those compliments.

I'm sure. But so, as he waits for the episode of Ghost Adventures to air, Anthony continues to do tests on the doll. He brings him to more psychics. He even starts a Facebook group dedicated to the doll. He starts a YouTube channel where he vlogs a lot of his encounters with the doll. The Ghost Adventures

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episode that features Harold the doll was set to air on October 25th, 2014. It's season 10, episode 4 if people want to go and watch. But a couple days before the episode airs, Anthony does a flashlight test with Harold. It's on YouTube. You can watch it. And again, like this is all like gearing up to we're getting we're trying to get answers of like what spirits are in the doll.

Yeah.

So, in this test, Anthony asks yes or no questions using a flashlight. There's like a whole paranormal investigative tool where there's like specific flashlights that when you loosen the back, like a spirit can like press it for yes and like turn the light on. When not. So, here's the conversation. Anthony asks, "Do you not like being called Harold?" The light turns on, meaning yes. So, he doesn't like being called Harold. "Am I on the right track to finding out the truth about you?" Nothing turns on, meaning no. Anthony asks, "Am I completely wrong?" Flashlight turns on. Yes. Then Anthony

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asks, "Do you want to hurt me?" The light turns on.

Yes.

Oh my gosh. Anthony then says, "Some people think you are a demon. If you are not a demon, turn the flashlight on." Do we think the flashlight turned on? No, it did not. So Anony's like, "Does that mean you are a demon?" The flashlight turns on. So now Anony's like, "Um, okay, strange." But again, continues doing all these tests, continues doing all these things. And then the Ghost Adventures episode is coming out later that week. So, he's like, "Okay, I'm going to get answers. I'm confident about that." In the week leading up to the show, one of Anony's another one of Anony's psychic friends, Maryanne, calls Anthony and she's like, "I had a really weird experience." She was so excited about her about Harold. She was planning to like host a watch party of the Ghost Adventures episode at her house like for Harold's TV debut.

A couple nights before the show, she is

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woken up around 3:00 a.m.

by the sound of a little boy calling her name. She lived alone. No boys around, but she's like laying in bed. She sure enough hears a little boy calling her name. She gets out of bed. She invests. Of course, no one's there. After 20 minutes, she decides, "Weird dream, whatever. or I'm just going to go back to bed. The next night, she wakes up again around 3:00 a.m. Same time, but this time it's not a little boy calling her voice. It's a woman screaming her name.

Holy crap.

It is so intense that like she claims that she woke up not only to the screaming of her name, but her bed physically shaking.

Wow.

The next morning, the day before the Ghost Avengers episode, as Maryanne was processing, she felt like she had to call Anthony because she felt like this had to do with Harold. So, we have a little boy and a woman. So, then the episode of Ghost Avengers airs and the episode was actually about the Island of Dolls.

Oh,

which we covered back in in 2018 on episode 44,

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which is interesting that they brought in

another doll not related.

So, briefly, the island of dolls is a very infamous and haunted island in Mexico and it has like a whole mystery, but it's over time evolved where like the island is completely covered in dolls.

Yeah. So Harold's not the primary focus of the episode, but Zach introduces Harold the doll as their guest investigator. They warn people in the episode not to look directly into Harold's eyes. And as they're saying that, they put a big picture of Harold on screen.

Are you kidding me?

Kind of what I'm doing. [laughter] [gasps]

Okay. But you give warnings at the top.

I do. I do.

Minus the thumbnail.

Yeah. But the concept,

which to be fair, we also did that with

Peggy.

Peggy the doll.

Yeah. And the concept of this episode is like, oh, what what's going to happen when you take one of the most haunted dolls in the world and bring it to the island of dolls. Before they travel to the island of dolls, they bring Harold to see a psychic in Mexico City. And this psychic who in the show, like the

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Zach and the crew are like, "This psychic knows nothing about what we're about to bring in." You know,

or so they claim. But this psychic goes on to say that there are five spirits inside the doll. And she said that it was also very dangerous to carry the doll around you because you could get sick just being in its presence. So remember the five spirits at the moment. This is like this is the first time someone has said that there are five spirits in the doll.

Yeah.

But Anony's like dubious because he doesn't know the psychic personally. He's already dubious of every psychic he knows, even his friends. And up until this point, he hasn't heard that. Right.

But here's the most chilling part of the episode. Remember that dream Anthony had had months ago?

Yeah.

I believe it was a premonition.

Oh my god.

He was in a shack covered in dolls.

Oh

In the episode, there are all these shacks with dolls. And also in his dream, there was a fire. In the episode of Ghost Adventures, in the Island of Dolls episode, a fire starts out of

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nowhere.

Oh my god. Yeah, cuz that like my mind is trying to figure out like what came first. Was this Harold knowing what was going to happen and trying to give Anthony like let me go on the show or is this Harold being like I this is what my destiny is. I need to make this happen on the show so let me go and start the fire

or did Harold not start it and was just like hey this is what's going to happen when I go.

Yeah, exactly. Like which one was it?

I have no idea. But naturally with the airing of this episode, more people are seeing Harold the doll. More people are joining Anony's Facebook group. More people are tuning into Anony's YouTube vlogs. And Anthony is getting lots and lots of messages. And

it's like the way that Anthony writes the book, it reads like a story because there's just so many things happening. But it is kind of hard to know what's happening when.

Yeah.

And I do feel like a lot of things and it's something that we talked about with Greg and Dana Newkerk too. who were like things don't always happen in a linear

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fashion. Like one piece of information that you get like four years ago might not have an answer until like 10 years later,

right? It's like what is time? How is this all piecing together?

So, I'm going to kind of try to share this in what I think was the linear fashion and makes the most sense, but it's a little bit convoluted. But at this point, Anthony still has no answers. He's very confused. He's getting mixed messages from lots of people. All he knows for sure is that this doll is 100% haunted and anyone who's looking at it is experiencing hauntings. Like no matter where you are in the world, you don't even have to be in direct physical presence of this doll. Just looking at it can cause a haunting.

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next couple of things seem to happen simultaneously. There's a man named

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Larry who saw the episode of Ghost Adventures that featured Harold. And he becomes so fascinated with Harold. So much so that he does a deep dive. He joins a Facebook group. He watches every single one of Anony's YouTube videos and he just becomes overwhelmed this with this feeling that he needs to help Harold. Like that someone needs to help him.

Huh?

It's all Larry can think about. Like as he's going to bed, he thinks about Harold. He thinks about helping Harold. He's trying to fall asleep. All he can think about is Harold. So one night he's laying in bed. He closes his eyes. He's thinking about Harold. And as he closes his eyes, you know, like when you close your eyes, you kind of see like a black screen or like little dots, whatever. Yeah.

He in his mind's eye sees a face. It is.

Wait, this is interesting cuz I actually meant to tell you, but it stopped. So, I forgot to tell you.

What?

That for like a month straight, every time I closed my eyes, I saw the exact same singular eyeball. And it was the same distance away from me. It like wasn't a light trick where it was like,

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you know, expands or whatever. It was just an eyeball.

Is it your third eye?

Well, I have brown eyes and this was like a hazel eye.

Well, your third eye

was like blue blue sometimes and then like sometimes was more hazel.

Could be your aura in a in an eye.

I don't know. But but it's gone away. But it was like every single time I closed my eyes for like three, four weeks.

Weird. So the face that Larry sees is a woman's face and like this image starts to evolve. like he sees this woman's face and she's kind of in a fog. Suddenly, the face of a young child appears next to the woman. This child had very short hair and Larry assumed it was a young boy and he felt so much sadness and fear emanating from these two faces. So, he opens his eyes. He's like, "That's weird." He closes his eyes. They're still there.

And then he sees this woman kind of reaching out to him from the fog almost as if like, "Please help me." like I'm

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reaching out for help. Without warning, another face appeared in front of the woman and the child. This face though was gaunt and badly burned and it seemed angry. It growled as if furious with the woman and child for asking for help. That these are all like the intuitive thoughts that Larry is getting.

Under fire, too. I know. I'm like, okay.

A large muscular veiny arm reaches out of this like gaunt creepy figure. This hand had long fingers and claw-like nails. Terrified, Larry like opens his eyes and is like, I don't want to see that again. So, he starts praying. He's terrified. He takes a deep breath and he closes his eyes again. And this time again, he like sees the woman. He sees the child. He sees this like angry figure, but he also sees like two other figures kind of in the background of the vision. And they're like not very clear. like he can't really make out any details about them, but he does get the feeling that all of these figures are scared of whatever that like gaunt

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creepy entity.

Yeah.

Which Larry also is scared of that.

Yeah, that makes sense.

But he's so taken aback and he really feels like this all has to do with Harold because that's all he's been consumed by it lately.

And he decides to draw a picture of what he saw and sends it to Anthony via Facebook.

He's like, "Hey, I'm not I'm not an artist. Like, this is what I saw." And it looks like this woman, child, scary guy, his arm.

Yeah.

But then he's like, "Hey, Anthony, here's what I saw. I'm also going to reach out to an artist friend of mine to help me like refine the imagery." So that first photo was the one that Larry sent to Anthony. And then this is the photo that with the help of an artist, Larry sent to Anthony. We have the woman, the sad child, and this like gaunt almost Voldemort looking creepy entity. the child. Like in these photos, they look related. The mom, it's like a mom and son.

Yes. Remember Larry saw scary man, woman, child, two shadow figures.

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Yeah.

How many is that?

Five.

Five.

Anthony knows that Larry had watched Ghost Adventures episode. That was the first time the five entities is in. So, he's kind of like, "Oh, this is interesting. Thanks for sharing." But he does feel like maybe it's swayed a little bit by Larry having watched the show

and Larry might not even know that that's in his mind.

Right around the same time. So he keeps these photos, he keeps them to himself cuz he's again he's like not trying to put it's kind of like a police investigation. Like he's not putting all of this information out to the public because he doesn't want to sway

anyone else's opinions or experiences.

So around the same time he reaches out to his friend Melanie who is an artist. Based on this story, I feel like Melanie is also like maybe a little bit psychic, but he asks Melanie if she can draw literally just a picture of the doll. Just a picture of the doll. Melanie is like, "Yeah, absolutely. Sure can. Like, I'll do it off of a photo, whatever."

Yeah.

She physically cannot bring herself to

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draw a picture of this doll. And every time she's about to, she sees these faces in her head.

What in the world? Instead of drawing the doll itself, she decides to draw the faces that she keeps seeing in her mind's eye.

Yeah.

She decides to draw what she is seeing. And keep in mind, Melanie is friends with Anthony. Melanie has never heard about Larry's experience. Like, these things are all kind of happening at the same time.

This is what she draws, or this is what she sees. She sees a horned figure standing behind four other people. And this horned figure had its arms around the four people as if trying to keep them close. She said that one of the figures, like one of the four people that's being held by this horned figure, almost appeared shadowy, like she couldn't make out any facial features or anything. This is that picture that she draws.

Oh my god.

Does it not look so similar to what Larry saw?

What the heck? She sees a woman, a young

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child, a like maybe a little bit older but still child boy, this shadowy figure, and then a terrifying

very muscular looking thing holding them.

She sends this drawing to Anthony and she's struck by another visual, but this time it's of a woman trapped behind bars screaming for help. Beside her is a young boy who's also screaming. And then there's a slightly older boy standing near them who wasn't screaming and wasn't as clear as the woman and the young boy, but he looked scared. And then there was that shadowy figure. But this in this vision that she's seeing, this shadowy figure is outside of the jail cell, but chained. And she almost felt like it was like on a leash and being pulled around by this scary horned figure that like it almost was his pet.

Oh, I hate that visual.

And again, she saw that horned enormous

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figure with big muscles, red glowing eyes, and she just knew it was evil. So again, she paints this and this is that image.

It's like the Yes. It's This is the same stuff over and over.

Yep. And again, Larry and Melanie don't know each other, and no one besides Anthony knows of their experiences. So, we have five spirits. One evil, as if in control. Another more shadowy, scared, but also seemingly dark and menacing and like more akin to the dark, like

in control being. A woman and a child scared, and another boy also scared, but a little bit more distant. And then remember that psychic friend who woke up in the middle of the night once to a boy calling her name.

Yep.

Once to a woman screaming her name.

Right.

So there are so many accounts that are now so similar that Anony's starting to piece things together.

It's like there are five characters and everyone might experience a couple of

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them or one of them, but like regardless, the cast is the same.

Yes. Absolutely. And it seems like everyone is getting the sense that this dark terrifying presence is keeping the other spirits trapped within Harold.

So again, he's Anony's gathering all this information, but he's keeping it to himself cuz he doesn't want to sway other people's experiences. He doesn't share these photos with anyone. He just like has them for himself. And as he's putting these pieces together, his friend Kenneth Murray asks Anthony if he could bring Harold into his class. See, Kenneth was teaching a paranormal 101 class.

Here we go.

Which also like a dream. How fun.

It's so cool, but it's also making me nervous cuz now there's more people to be exposed.

Yeah. And he thought it would be fun for his students who are also paranormal 101. This is probably like a fun elective that they're just doing.

Half the kids are doing this cuz it's supposed to be an easy like

100%.

It's like when I did yoga.

Yeah. [laughter] That's it. I love you.

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But so he's like, "Hey, Anthony, can you bring Harold? Like it would be fun to do a little mini investigation with my students." So Anthony agrees and I'm not 100% sure of the timeline again. But this video was posted on Anony's YouTube on April 20th, 2016. And it's like relaying what happened in the class.

So as some context, Kenneth, who's teaching the class, is a psychic medium with the ability to do automatic writing. So his plan was to bring Harold into the class, let his students like use the paranormal investigative equipment, ask questions, and like he would do some automatic writing. Immediately upon opening the bag and bringing Harold into the class, Kenneth was struck by an intense energy that felt like anger and resentment. The class takes photos of the dolls and they start doing readings, like EVP sessions, and hears the conversation and like the voice that Kenneth heard and then the writings that he did. And Kenneth says that in his automatic writings, like while it was happening, he heard the voice in like a deep growling demonic

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sounding voice. But this is how the conversation went. The class asks, "What is your name?" Kenneth heard in his head, "You have to earn my name. There are no beings like me."

Oo. A student,

you did that voice really well.

Thank you. It

was actually really creepy.

Voice acting. [laughter] A student asked Harold to do something. Kenneth heard, "Don't make me perform. You won't like it." A student asked, "Can you make the lights go out?" Harold's response. I can make your lights go out. Do you fear us? Fear? You can't hurt me. Then a student asked, "How old are you?" Harold responded, "I was old when your world was young. My story began when time started.

This is very Marvel movie and I'm kind of into it. I'm ready to watch this one.

But it's like this is an ancient energy.

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This is like if you were

if you're so ancient and you have so much time and energy and power, like what's the point of this? What else could you do?

Well, what else is it doing? Is it able to do multiple things at once?

That's true. And is the trapped entity the like one that's on the chain? Is that the one that he's now like manipulated and left in control when he can't be doing things?

That's how I feel. So when they asked what kind of entity it was, the spirit responded that it was a demon who had danced with the devil. Again, confirmation that there is something evil in this doll, which I don't think we have to question. Like based on everything we know, there's something evil here.

Yeah. But still, Anony's confused and he has this whole feeling. I mean, he's been dealing with this for almost 10 years now at this point. And he just feels like he's trying to put together a 10,000 piece puzzle, but thousands of pieces are missing.

Yeah. Well, how do you even begin to gather them?

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Actually, he doesn't have the answers, but maybe a child in Australia does.

What in the world? What a twist. Because here's the thing again, like Anthony is getting messages from people all over the world with all these experiences. Yeah. And kind of simultaneously, so while he's getting these photos from the drawing from Larry, the drawing from Melanie, he gets a Facebook message from a woman. I think he changed her name for like privacy, but he calls Jane in his book.

Okay.

She lives in Australia. Jane messages

Vincent - the child with premonitions

Anthony and she tells him that she had just been watching YouTube videos on her iPad because so as context, Jane, has a she has two sons. One of her sons, Vincent, he's 6 years old, is moderately to severely autistic. And so she was trying to find ways to raise money for a service dog for her son. And so she had searched on YouTube like how to make stuffed toys because she thought like she could sell them

ah

to raise money. The YouTube algorithm starts to, you know, add in some like

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haunted doll.

You like toys? What about haunted ones?

So it like automatically goes to a video about Annabelle the haunted doll.

Yes.

She like kind of watches it,

which we just learned will be soon living permanently.

This is crazy.

In Salem, Massachusetts

in August. Yes, they are opening the entire Warren Museum occult museum with haunted objects is going to be living in

which we thought was going to be an exhibit. We're like, "Oh, it's going to be here for like a week or two."

No,

permanent residence.

It is living here. It's moving in. It's our new neighbor

on Essex Street.

We're kind of freaking out cuz it's also like

I'm nervous.

I'm very nervous.

Apparently, the people of Salem were trying to fight against it. Well, because Salem is supposed to be like it's not chasing dark energy.

No, we're trying to like everybody has a lot of

energy and

Yeah. So, stay tuned. Who knows what's going to happen there, but I will be

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going because that's just who I am.

I'd go.

Okay, let's go. Great. Decided.

I mean, we've already been to Zach Bagets. I kind of feel like what's worse?

I know.

What could be worse?

I know. I'm just Some of the darkest stuff I've ever seen. Like it's I'm more concerned about the energy that other people are bringing to that space like the taunting energy that they might bring and like the like I don't believe in you and what that will do because I do feel and I hope that these dolls or like whatever these objects are have just like been contained in their energy. I don't know.

Anyway,

but if we go in August and not in like October

I know. Should we go to mostly locals?

Should we get invited to the opening?

Yes. [laughter]

Go to the red carpet. It'll be my first postpartum outing.

I love that. Okay, so again, Jane is sending this message to Anthony and she says that what happened was like after watching the stuff toy tutorials, an Annabelle the doll thing came up and

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she's like, I'm not usually into the paranormal, but I was like intrigued. And then on the side, which again it's like if you like this video, you might like, is a video about Harold and she clicks on it. She was like, "Something drew me in about Harold." And she starts watching it and then but she pauses [clears throat] it because like she has to do other things. She has two kids, whatever. She locks her iPad

in the middle of watching this. Like she pauses it, locks her iPad, doesn't think about it. But then her six-year-old son, who's we're going to call Vincent, but again, name has been changed, is like, "Can I use your iPad to play a game?" He unlocks it, but what's the first thing on the screen? Because what had she been watching when she had locked her iPad?

Picture of Harold.

Is a picture of Harold.

Vincent had such a visceral reaction to the image that even Jane is taken back. Vincent looks scared and sad. And he's like not the most verbal autistic kid.

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He He has a [clears throat] hard time expressing things. Vincent keeps repeating, "The baby is sad. The baby hurts. The baby's sad. The baby needs help."

Wait, this just triggered a memory of mine where you know how when we did the Conjuring House tour and our sweatshirts and how a lot of people were saying that their kids kept pointing

at the one picture when I wear it, Noah has started pointing at it.

Isn't [clears throat] it with the animal? Yes. I mean, it's not the real Annabelle, but yeah, it's

But it's with the doll. And it's not like he's like, "Oh, what's this?" It's like a very like investigative like I I don't know what's going on here.

That's so weird.

And he keeps doing it every time I wear it. He stops and comes up in this like this. And I'll go I'll be like, "Sabrina, mama." And he's like very focused [sighs and gasps]

on that one spot.

That's so weird. Okay. Anyway,

kids, they know things. Um, okay. But so over the next couple of years, Anthony and Jane become incredibly close. Like,

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they form a friendship because Vincent, six-year-old Vincent, becomes essential to putting the pieces of Harold together. But it does come at a cost. Unfortunately, young Vincent does become tormented by the spirit or spirits inside of Harold the doll. And as some context, Vincent apparently had always been very in tune with the other side. Jane told Anthony that even prior to seeing the image of Harold the doll, Vincent could see people's auras. And when they first moved into their home, Vincent told Jane all about a man that lived in their home and that was very sad.

Oh.

So, this was not new to Jane in the sense that like she had become accustomed to her son sensing things and knowing things.

Yeah.

But she was so shocked because he had never reacted to an image.

Right. This is a YouTube

picture.

Yes. And again, prior to seeing that photo or image of Harold, neither of them knew anything about Harold.

Yeah.

No one in their family had seen about,

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heard about, watched Ghost Adventures, nothing. So, Anthony took note of the the baby is sad because that's lining up with these images and like dreams and things that people are hearing and having. And then Anthony gets another message from Jane. Six-year-old Vincent was in school not long after seeing this image of Harold. And in school, he did a lot of art therapy. In his art therapy, he made this painting, which I'll it's in the YouTube video, and I'll show it to you. It's black and white in the book, but I think it's in color because in one of Anony's YouTube videos, I think he has some of these paintings in the background, and it looked like this, but it was in color. Anyway, when in art therapy, Vincent's teacher was like, "Oh, this is a beautiful painting. Like, what is it? Can you tell tell me about it?" And Vincent said, "This is what he wants, the doll and the iPad."

Ooh. Ooh, what a creepy thing to say. And maybe the answer we need.

And Jane was curious. It's like

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Vincent's art art therapy teacher is definitely like confused by this. So, he realized it to Jane. And then Jane is curious and tries to ask Vincent more questions about it and again showed a picture of Harold the doll. But this time Vincent looked away and says, "It won't let me look. He doesn't like me. The blob doesn't like me and the blob won't let me help them."

The blob.

So that's what he calls it, like the black blob, which I think is

the shadow

is the like scary

overarching Okay. So, like the muscular demonic

demonic ancient big.

He then says, "The little boy is scared. He wants his mommy and his mommy wants him. She told me to tell him to go to the sunshine, but the little boy can't." Oh, this is so sad.

Yeah. So, let me show you this picture. So, this is the picture where in the top left there's this like really dark like overarching like big black energy and

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then there are four lights.

Oh, is that not representative of the exact same thing where it's like this demonic entity? Yeah.

And four other spirits

and it's almost like cuz there's a shadow figure that keeps showing up or sometimes it's one, sometimes it's two,

but when it's just one, the other one that was a shadow is now another child. So, it's almost like what can people tap into or who's like strong enough to show themselves,

right?

Oh, this is so terrifying.

Or who's in control and who's not? Yeah.

At this point, Jane is now like concerned about her child and like doesn't want him to be afflicted by these spirits, right?

So, she tries to distance herself from Anthony. She tries to distance herself and her child from the whole Harold the doll situation, but she doesn't have control. No one here has control. Harold or the spirits in Harold, they are in control and they latched on to Vincent.

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What began as Vincent getting messages or having some kind of spiritual connection to the entities evolved into one point where it kind of feels like a possession. It started with Vincent claiming that the blob was angry and that it was telling lies. And then Vincent began waking up from nightmares. He would tell his mom that Harold was coming to him in his dream, saying, "He's very angry. He hurts my eyes."

Oh. Oh, I don't like that.

Then Vincent starts complaining about a sound and he's like, "Can you hear it?" And his mom is like, "I don't hear anything. Like, what are you talking about?" And Vincent says, "It's coming."

Good god. Black birds, sometimes it was um one, sometimes it was two, start lingering on the window sill just outside of Vincent's bedroom. The energy in their house started to shift. Jane was getting scared and she's she's relaying this information to Anthony.

Yeah.

But she's like really paranoid. She really wants to protect her child. She's so confused how it could be happening.

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She never liked paranormal things. She didn't even understand why she felt drawn to the video. And that's when Anthony and Jane are coming to the conclusion that like Harold is in control. Harold wanted you to see it. Like if it wasn't that, it would have found another way.

So Anthony and Jane are trying to like come up with ways to stop whatever entities are doing to like stop them from harassing Vincent. Anthony would like give Harold the doll in physical form, like a stern talking to. He would douse the doll in holy water. Jane would cleanse her house. They would cleanse the Vincent's room. They would try to like stop talking. Maybe if they stopped talking, the spirits would leave them alone. But that almost made it worse. It was almost like the spirits were using Vincent because Vincent was picking up on something that Anthony wasn't or that other people couldn't that they needed Vincent to relay the messages to Anthony. So when Jane and Anthony stopped talking, the hauntings got worse.

But when they talked, while they were still bad, they weren't as extreme.

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Yeah. So Vincent started acting out. Like this is during a phase when Vincent, Anthony, and Jane are not talking.

Yeah.

Vincent starts acting out in school. He begins cursing at teachers and even having physical altercations with with other students and with other teachers. And prior to this point, he had never exhibited violence like this. And he came home with another drawing, shows it to his mom, and he says he is angry. In this picture, the black blob is massive. And according to Vincent, I'll show you this. So, here you see the black blob. It's massive.

Yeah.

It almost looks like that's like a small house. Like this is like taking up the whole space. This little scribble is a dog according to Vincent. And what does that word say? D I E.

Oh sh [sighs] I was like pie so slanted. [laughter] It says die. And

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when he hands this drawing to his mother, he says he is angry. He, as in the blob.

Yes.

At the same time, Anthony receives a couple messages from other people saying that they're sensing this spirit is extremely angry right now.

Wow.

One person gets a visual of this dark mass seeping into the lights of the four others. So you have these four spirits that have some light in them and the dark energy is trying to like diminish their lights.

Yeah.

Again, the idea of one overbearing evil spirit trapping and dimming the lights of the four others. So now because of this drawing, Jane and Anthony start talking again. Jane sends him the picture and is like, "Hey, just an update." Like it seems like the hauntings are getting worse and this is the drawing that Vincent did at school

Chance the dog

today. when he sees the dog and the word die, Anthony gets concerned about his own dogs. He has two and this is around August of 2015 and he posts a couple videos on his YouTube channel and I'm

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was piecing together some information so it's not totally clear, but in 2013 2014 before Harold was on Ghost Adventures, Anthony had adopted his first dog named Chance. When he first brought Chance home, Chance was terrified of one room, the room that Harold was in. And so Anthony decided to have a conversation with Harold and be like, "Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to tell you. Like, I adopted Chance. He is now part of our family. Please, like, please treat each other well. Like, he's one of us now. Like, he lives here. You live here. We all can coexist like one big happy family."

Yeah. The second after Anthony had that conversation with Harold, Chance was no longer ever scared of that room again. Totally fine. Well, that's good. Okay, so there is like some receptive energy. But then in August of 2015, when Anthony received this drawing from Vincent with the dog and the word die, something does happen. The very next day, one of, and I'm not sure if it was Chance or the other dog that Anthony had gotten in recent years, one of Anony's dogs got

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out of the backyard. He still has no idea how. And the dog came back about an hour later and was injured. He thought the dog had like gotten hit by a car or something and so ran him to an emergency vet for surgery.

He went home awaiting the news. The moment he gets home, he sees a swarm of flies in his window. He felt such negative energy in his home as if it was all Harold. And the very next day, Anthony gets a call from the vet that his dog did not make it. So, this six-year-old child in Australia drew that image before it ever happened.

And it's almost like false hope because we're like one dog is respected, one space is respected, and you're like, "Oh, everything's good."

But this is again indicative of so many different spirits at play here.

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possessed by a demon?!

Despite their efforts to distance from like the spirits from Vincent, Harold continues to visit. And I am saying Harold, but it's this darker energy or the spirits continue to visit Vincent. Vincent tells his mother, Jane, he can be really nice to you, but really he's nasty. He likes to do tricks and trick you into doing naughty things. He also tells Jane that there is a nice spirit named Charlotte, but that she doesn't like being called Charlotte. You have to call her Lahie.

Oh,

and according to Vincent, Lahie likes to sing. And he said in quotes, "She's the nice one. She helps me sleep."

It's interesting that she has two names. Like,

well, Charlotte and Lahie is the same name.

Is it? Is Lahie a nickname of Charlotte?

Lahie. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah,

I thought they were totally two separate names.

No, she likes going by Lahi. Like that was her nickname.

Well, that's cute then.

Yeah. Again, like Vincent is having

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positive experiences, too. Like this woman is helping him sleep.

Yeah.

And Vincent tells his mom that the lady and children are scared of the black blob and the black blob won't let them go to the sunshine. [snorts] So again, they're trapped.

This is like a horrifying thing to happen to you in the afterlife. How could this happen? So there's so

this makes you want the grim reaper to come and collect you and help you the other side or a loved one or something cuz it's like what if this thing comes instead?

I know. But here's okay. So there's so much more that happens throughout this time and I'm truncating it to like get the story across. But the biggest takeaway is that the more that Anthony, the more that Vincent and Jane and others seem to focus on helping these trapped souls, the four that are trapped, the angrier the black blob becomes. So, it's like it's trying to keep these spirits trapped and doesn't want anyone to stop it.

But at the same time, these other spirits are trying to get through and ask for help to be freed.

So, it gets to the point where it seems

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like little Vincent almost gets possessed. He starts acting out more in school. He starts having blackouts during these fits. Like,

uh, Jane sent a photo, which we'll put in the video, of Vincent's bedroom. because Vincent like destroyed it like threw everything everywhere. She's like he's never done this before and when he came too like after his fit he doesn't remember it

which is really scary.

He tells his mom he doesn't remember what happened but that he as in the black blob is angry at uncle aunt cuz he started calling Anthony uncle a

uncle aunt.

Jane buys a St. Michael necklace for Vincent. And when she tries to put it on Vincent, he has one of his his fits and like screams and kicks and is like rejecting the energy of this holy thing.

He breaks the necklace.

So Anthony advises Jane to have the house blessed by a priest.

And so she has priest come over and for a period of time like everything does calm down. Like the blessing worked good

temporarily

cuz it makes me nervous for him that

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he's like this living vessel.

I know. So, for a couple of weeks, like things are quiet and all of a sudden Vincent wakes up in the middle of the night and starts screaming, "Mommy, mommy, it wants uncle aunt." And he tells his mom that it's mad. And this is like a big turning point. So Vincent says, "It's mad because it told me its name and it never should have. It doesn't want me to tell Uncle Aunt. It doesn't want Uncle Aunt to know Appalon." I almost repeated it, but then I was like, wait, is there going to be a rule where like we say it three times and then

Yeah, I will.

So, I was like, I'm not going to say the name.

I will for the sake of this probably only say the name one more time, but yes, because the name the names are names of demons.

Okay. Yeah. So the next day, because Jane doesn't really know what to think of that name and like she doesn't understand it, the next day Vincent writes two names on a piece of paper and it's like you can see it's written in child handwriting and right next to the

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names is this black blob, the dark energy,

the eyes.

The two names, and this is the last time I'll say them, are Abbidon and Apolon. This is a six or sevenyear-old child. Keep in mind, this is a six or sevenyear-old child at this point who doesn't look up demons, doesn't know the name of demons. And when Anthony gets this drawing, he does research. Guess what entity has like there's two names for one entity. It is these two names. It is in Revelations 9:11. It says, "They had his king over them, the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is the first name, and in Greek is the second name."

Oh my gosh. So, this thing is ancient.

And and it literally says in Revelations 9:11, that is destroyer. [gasps]

It's so freaky. I know that across cultures, across texts, across generations and a little boy in

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Australia are all communicating or like talking about

right

the same energy entity.

And again, like one of the stereotypes is with demons is that when you know the name of the demon, it gives you power over it. Like they don't want you to know that their name. And if you remember, 6-year-old 7-year-old Vincent says, "It's mad that it told me, and it doesn't want Uncle Aunt to know the name."

Oh, but Vincent tells the name.

So, like, did this little boy in Australia trick this David into telling it's a he like asked the right questions

or did like one of the other spirits like were they able to tell Vincent the name? I don't know. But essentially, this confirms that yes, in fact, this horned entity is absolutely a goddamn ancient demon.

Wow.

Things do get worse for Vincent to the point where they essentially have to do like it's not quite, they don't call it an exorcism, but they do like a really legit blessing

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and priests come over to say the right of deliverance. So, two priests go over to Jane and Vincent's home and perform blessings on the house. And in the book, this is just like a cute like very childlike antidote or an anecdote antidote kind of antidote to [laughter] like pure possessions where when Jane was relaying to Anthony like how this whole blessing went. Anony's asking like what does Vincent think? Vincent the one thing he couldn't let go of the of the whole thing which I'm going to talk about the little details of it. Vincent is so stuck on the fact that the priests came over and they ate cake.

Oh, that's like the the weird thing. It just feels out of place.

I had cake with priests. Yeah.

Strange. Never heard of a priest eating cake.

the exorcism

Yeah. These two priests come over to Jane and Vincent's home and perform blessings on the house. They have everyone in the family hold candles and walk through the house repeating the same prayers over and over. The priest say the right of deliverance. And it's

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long. It's like a long ritual that they do. It's exhausting. But the next day, Vincent is totally normal, back to his like pure child innocent self.

His drawings are no longer dark. They no longer feature the black blob. In fact, so there's this drawing that he makes and it's literally of like a bedroom with a little toy truck and a window and maybe the black blob outside. So Jane asks Vincent, "Is that the black blob? Like, is it now outside?" And Vincent says, "No, mama. That's the sun."

Well, yeah. I was going to ask if it was the sun.

Well, because all the other drawings had the black blob like so big inside the room, but he says, "No, mama, that's the sun."

Wait, so the sun has come back.

Mhm.

Or at least getting a lot closer for these entities

or specifically for Vincent.

Yeah. True. [clears throat]

Yes. The last thing Vincent ever said about Harold and about the evil spirit that was in the doll, he said, I'm going to say it in quotes, he told his mom,

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"Mommy, you know, as the old superhero dudes got rid of the black mean thing, it came to me and it told me it wants Uncle Aunt." So, the two old superhero dudes, the two priests, as they were getting rid of the black blob,

eating cake, getting rid of the black blob,

the black blob visited Vincent. And the last thing it said to young Vincent was that it wanted Anthony.

I'm coming for Anthony.

So Jane relays that ominous

gone. It's just moved to a different

Well, and it's also still very much in the doll.

Yeah, true.

an end to it all?! releasing the spirits within Harold the Doll

With that ominous message, Anthony is now like, I think I know what I have to do. He is determined to free this trapped spirits and ultimately he wants to move on with his life. He's like, "I actually don't want to give this evil entity any more time. I'm going to help these spirits who are very clearly trapped, who very clearly want help finding the sun,

and I'm going to then say, I'm done." Cuz he at this point had spent over 10

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years obsessed with, if not like kind of manipulated and puppeted by this doll.

That's a long time.

It's a long time. And

now there's so many more people involved, too.

So many people. And he wants he doesn't want people to continue to be haunted by this,

right? cuz it's not just haunted like a lot of people are getting actually harmed

and now it is hard and there are like a lot of stories where like some people are coming forward saying like I think that this spirit like the first spirit that was ever trapped in the doll is a spirit of someone who was like wrongfully convicted of a crime and like hanged for their crime even though they didn't commit it. and like that negative energy drew something or like someone trapped their soul in this doll as like a punishment cuz they thought they were guilty of it and then this like evil entity. It's hard to know but basically what Anthony gathers and believes is that a human being did cause these souls to be trapped. Like a human being called

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upon this evil entity and like trapped the spirits in the doll for the spirit.

Okay.

Or demon I should say. So he believes that a human being can free the dolls.

There's hope

or sorry spirits from the doll.

Yes, there's hope within

Yes.

this scenario.

Even though it feels like a hard feat given that this is like some sort of ancient being that

it's like you might be able to free yourself, but how do you free the other spirits?

And up until this point though, like he hadn't tried to free the spirits. It's like he'd kind of been like doing tests and hearing stories, gathering information, but never really done anything.

Which makes me so sad that for a decade these spirits are like attempting any chance they can to make themselves known.

Yeah. And they're being tortured.

Yeah. And that he's just like ignoring it. They're like, "Oh, well."

Right. Which is why he also got messages from a psychic saying, "Herold's angry. There's more you're supposed to be doing and you're not doing it."

Yeah. But it's also confusing because there's different spirits saying different things,

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right?

Okay. So, I'm going to use Melany's drawing of the entities to talk through just like a recap of what spirits we have here. So, we have the black blob or the horn figure, which is the demon, the puppeteer. Then, we have the shadowy figure, which everyone seems to believe is the entity that calls itself Harold. This is the one that is like chained, but it's outside of the jail cell. So it almost feels like what people gather and like my belief is that maybe this is a spirit that maybe at one time was more innocent like the woman and the others

but that over time and the more time it spent under the demon's thumb the more evil it too became and that given enough time the black blob the demon would have done the same to the other spirits. So then there was Charlotte or Lahie and then there were the two boys and these three were scared. Lahi was trying to protect the boys to keep them from turning evil like Harold did because there was that third boy or like the other boy who like sometimes appeared

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more shadowy and like almost feel felt like it was closer to becoming what

I think about that as being a [clears throat] possibility

right so this is the essence of what everyone believed and Anthony felt like he could help free the spirits ultimately after nearly 15 years of haunting and tormenting the Anthony was able to release The Trapped Spirits in February of 2017. [sighs] Unfortunately, Anony's book, the one that I used for this episode, ends with when Vincent was freed of the evil entity and like it doesn't go into the releasing of the spirits at all. So, I kind of had to piece it together based on vlogs that Anthony posted on his YouTube video. And there's one posted on February 22nd, 2017, and it is a video of Anthony recording from the Brisbane International Airport at 2:30 in the morning. And the video is

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titled, "It's done." He speaks to camera and states that he tried to meet with the two priests who had helped cleanse Vincent and protect him from the spirits in the doll, but those two priests were like unable to help with the release of the spirits in Harold.

That's so sad. but that Anthony was able to orchestrate the release of the spirits with the help of the Brisbane Paranormal Research Society. They took Harold to a cathedral to do the release. And apparently, as they were driving to the cathedral, it felt like the spirit of the doll knew because they kept having car troubles and that everyone in that car felt like a really heavy energy.

It was like Harold didn't want them to go there because it knew what was going to happen. I'm saying Harold, but like the evil blob.

Yeah.

I like calling it blob.

Makes it feel a little bit more like you have a chance of winning,

right? It's almost like diminishing

their power.

Yeah. Like you're just a blob.

Yeah. Me versus blob. when they start to

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do this. I don't again like I don't know what they did specifically cuz it's not really talked about in these vlogs, but what is talked about is like people's impressions cuz there's like a video of Anthony with the two people from the Paranormal Research Society and they all said it felt like they could feel Lahie's energy like this protective energy wanting to help save

like almost like Lahi was helping them with the ritual.

Oh. Oh, I like that. Lah's trying so hard to free all of them, the kids, her.

And it's like, it's almost as if I don't cuz I don't know for sure if Lahie is actually the mother of them or if she took on this role to take care of the other spirits.

So when they began to do the releasing, they announced to Harold and the spirits that they were going to release them. And apparently they said Harold, which is like the more menacing but like trapped spirit, they were like, "We want to release you as well." But they were met with anger. And I don't know how it

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was relayed, but apparently Harold said that he and the one he serves, aka the demon, would not allow any spirits to be released. But Anthony and the group prevailed. And according to them, they did successfully free the trapped spirits. And by the end of it, they decided it was best to actually keep Harold or like the the chained shadowy figure trapped in the doll because it seemed like it was almost like he was past the point of being able to be rehabilitated. And it was better to keep that spirit trapped

than to release. [clears throat]

Yeah,

I know. But what happens if he's released and suddenly like it just everything undoes

and he's exactly who he is again?

Well, they tried. But I think they tried to and it kept saying like me and the one who I serve. Like it's just it almost feels like Stockholm syndrome.

Yeah.

It's so sad.

But after they did release the other three spirits, everyone agreed that the

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energy around them felt so much lighter. And Anthony ended his video saying that he didn't know what he planned to do with the doll after releasing the spirits. But he did say, "I believe this is the last time anyone, including himself, would see Harold again."

Wow.

And that was in 2017. And up until now, like what, 2026, there haven't been any other like hauntings.

Yeah. Say that. But then you just said that Christine's

picture flew off the wall. And then our editor had so much trouble the second Harold's name was

Well, she didn't have trouble editing it. It was just the upload.

The upload.

Yeah. And then we'll see if any of you get haunted. But yeah, that's the story of Harold the doll and the demon that was trapping souls inside of it.

But again, like we have to remember this started with a fabricated story.

Yeah. [sighs and gasps] But like, was it fabricated or was he picking up on something

or Yeah. or was was one of the spirits

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inside the doll trying to get the story out or was one of the evil spirits trying to like wreak havoc on the world and like manipulate everything just cuz it's it's beyond just one spirit which makes me think that there was something

before that guy wrote his little creative post eBay posting or whatever.

I don't know.

It was adult

just like an ancient being that like it doesn't matter where in the world you are if you're in tune enough you're picking up on it. Well, then there's also a lot of again like these are hard to verify, but so Greg who originally posted the eBay posting in 2001 2003 not Greg Newkerk the Google search AI submar said

Greg was an antiques dealer and had found the doll like that part was true like they had found the doll like somewhere amongst antiques so it's hard to know who owned the doll previously and Anthony over the years did get a lot of messages from people saying I used to own that doll. Again, it's so hard to

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verify, but like there probably are countless people who owned that doll and maybe had experiences but like

didn't share it, didn't talk about it because

well, think about how many emails we have in our inbox of people who've had thousands hunted toys and dolls and things like that and they just

yeah find a way to get rid of it or it's like in storage and they're not creating a whole YouTube channels and writing books about it and pulling more psychics and stuff like most people don't have the time or resources or it's not like their main focus.

Yeah. Or like their main

There's a lot of hauntings out there that we will never ever hear about.

Which makes me sad. That's

will never run out.

That's true. Yes. But the idea of like living in a world where there's so many things you'll never know, never understand. There's so many people you'll never meet, books you'll never read, songs you'll never hear, things you'll never understand.

Does it make you want to be a vampire?

No. It makes me It feel makes me feel like the world is too big and it I don't know. I feel like what's the point?

Oh wow. [laughter]

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Not where I thought this was going to go.

Oh my god. I had the most disturbing as I was driving here intrusive thought that I've never had before.

I was driving underneath one of those like signs that like say the exit name like here and like the big green ones.

Yeah.

And as I was driving under it, I was like, "What if that fell and guillotined my like head off and

guillotined?" Yeah. Like I literally was imagining it as a guillotine like dropping and slicing my head off.

Well, I think it would slice your whole body in half cuz you sitting around.

But guillotine you're like you're laying down and then you get you decapitated.

You could People use it to cut cakes nowadays.

Oh, I did see that video.

Yeah, I enjoyed that.

listener story

Okay. Well, I said last week that I tried to pick stories where there was a chance of a redemption arc happening with these haunted items, these dolls. So, I have one from Honey. Hello, Karen and Sabrina. You can call me Honey. This is my first time ever sending in a story, so here it goes. When I was little, about six or seven, maybe, my

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mom took me to a Walmart to buy a new toy. I remember seeing that little rat-faced doll with her horrible and hideous scowl. She was small. She was supposed to look like a cute baby. Her outfit was pink and white with polka dots, and a giant ladybug was printed in the middle. A pink bow is permanently molded to her head. And I still don't know why I told my mom I wanted her, but that is what I did.

Yeah, the description already that from Honey does not make it sound like it enticed you.

Disgusting creature.

Little face.

She seemed normal at first as I took her home, but soon I became way too scared to play with her. She would give me horrible headaches every time I picked her up, even though she had no scent to her that might cause one. So, one day around Christmas, oh, and then she she wrote, and I'm getting a headache now just even typing this and thinking about her. Yikes. So, one day around Christmas, my parents told my sister and I, we'll call my sister

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Diana, to get rid of some toys and make room for some new ones. I think that doll, who I had named Pinky, was the first to go. The bag was taken out to the shed in case we ever wanted them back. And years later, I was 12 and me and Diana went out to the shed to look for our old toys. We found some cute, innocent looking ones with some fond memories like a toy giraffe, a Minnie Mouse plushy. Just good memories. Then [snorts] we went through the third bag. Again, innocent toys. But then her Pinky, unlike the other toys, Pinkiey's tan skinned complexion had turned black in some spots, like black crayon black.

Oh, I was not the skin tone. [laughter] That's what I was thinking, too. And also, no other toy was like that. She was protected in a bag just like all of the others. I decided to leave Pinky there after she'd given me this horrible headache. But one day, something told me to take her back in. And so I did. Big

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mistake.

Pinky started giving me headaches again, but it had gotten worse. She also inflicted nausea and heartburn on me when I hadn't eaten anything, and I saw creepy shadows when I was alone. and I'd had enough. So, I decided I would take an old shoe box and I would put Pinky in it, throw some salt on her. I made a crucifix. I laid it on top of her. I prayed over her scripture. Yeah.

Wow.

Normally, we hear people making Ouija boards, but

crucifix. I guess whatever works.

I threw that box out on the front porch and I planned for my dad to take it out to the trash. But the story does not end there.

Where's the redemption in this?

It comes.

Okay. [laughter] in two sentences from now.

Okay, great.

I was telling my friend, we'll call him Ember, about my doll. And Ember had been having terrible dreams where this dude, who we'll call Alter, would visit him. I think [clears throat] he'd had these dreams for like a month. And then he said, "Wait, what did the doll look

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like?" And I described Pinky to him, kind of confused. And he said, "Alter showed me that doll in my dream. It's his little sister in it, Rebecca." I froze. So, I thought I had a demon, but maybe it was this little girl.

Just the sister of a demon.

Just a sister of the little sister of a demon.

He went on to tell me how Rebecca had loved dolls when she was younger, even into teenagerhood, but would be made fun of for it.

Oh,

so she had possessed a doll so she could play with one, but she was a pretty mad spirit and thus inflicted pain on me. I went home with that knowledge and I took Rebecca out. I apologized. I gave her a bath. I gave her a new outfit. I also gave her face a fresh repaint. I still have the crucifix laying on her, but she hasn't bothered me since my apology. We now happily coexist.

Leading our own lives, and I don't really talk to her much, only sometimes, as I do with some of the other doll

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collection that I have. But she seems happy nevertheless. No more headaches, nausea, no shadows. I think maybe finally she's at rest from honey.

Wait, do we have a picture?

No. I'm kind of glad.

We got to ask for a picture. Okay.

There's some misunderstood.

Misunderstood. But

now they live peacefully together.

Also terrifying for years and years and years. And then

that's true. But sometimes people are just misunderstood. Spirits are just misunderstood. This is why whatever if you have paranormal things happening around you, if you have haunted objects, like

stating your intentions and like being very clear with them and like setting boundaries, I actually think

is the right way to handle it because the chances of you dealing with a demon are pretty slim. Like I think most of the time when there's paranormal stories, you're dealing with either an angry spirit, a confused spirit, or a spirit. Like it's it's not malevolent. So, trying to explain it to them in case

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they're confused.

Yeah. This one's hard though because, you know, Honey purchased this from a store as like a brand new toy as a child, not knowing that this was

an item. It's not like a collector's item from like Etsy or something where you're buying a haunted doll and you can make your introductions and stuff. It's

anything, but to your point, you can always change your relationship and try again. Okay, pitch for a different children's book separate from Anthony and Harold go on adventures. It's a toy factory and a bunch of spirits, like one spirit has found this toy factory and like comes up with the idea to help other spirits and so brings all his spirit friends to the toy factory and says, "Take your pick. You get to go home with a child and live a happy life. Pick your doll."

Oh man. And [laughter] that is how you have a whole generation of of haunted

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kids

and haunted toys that how else does it happen?

Well, please let us know if anyone experiences anything paranormal from this episode either of these parts.

Yes. Or if you have any paranormal experiences whatsoever, please email them to us at two girls podcast@gmail.com. And you can join us on Patreon for episodes one week early and ad free plus bonus content and witch class and campfire stories where you can share your ghost story with us live and lots of other fun things. And then you can watch us on YouTube. So if you want to see if you if you want to look into Harold's eyes and Anony's eyes, you can in the YouTube video.

Lovely. I'm kind of glad I'm not watching on YouTube cuz you just showed me like a quick glimpse.

Yeah. You didn't longingly Yes. stare into

I can't I'm not rewinding and relooking and pausing. Yeah.

I got what I got and that is what I will accept.

And we other than the audio issue have not experienced anything.

No, we have not and I'm happy for that. But you also told us at the top how to

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try to maybe go about the conversation. So perhaps that helped.

Well, thank you so much to our editor Jamie Ryan and producer who helps us put this show together. And thanks to all of you for tuning in each week. We love you

and we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.