Paranormal Postpartum | An Honest Conversation about Motherhood & Unexpected Hauntings (Ep 297)

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very spooky hello hey this is two girls on goes two girls one ghost and we are your ghostesses that is Karen hello and I am Sabrina and this is a long awaited for episode for me selfishly yeah cuz I've been keeping things from you this is going to be a little different from a lot of our other episodes cuz traditionally we research haunted places but a couple times we've done kind of specials where we cover all of the hauntings that we have had throughout our lives and this is kind of going to be something similar to that because while I was on maternity leave A

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lot happened to both of us yes and we weren't sharing it with each other no we were not cuz we were banking it for the podcast yeah and also I wasn't talking to anyone cuz I was trying to survive so we talked occasionally and I tried really hard to not talk to you about any work stuff so that you didn't have anything else to think about same same yeah so this is going to be packed with personal ghost stories this episode and I'm also going to talk a little bit about I guess birth yeah like having a child yeah things that people on campfire stories have heard bits and pieces of but I'll share more here sometimes you don't have to go very far to find a haunted place sometimes you live in a haunted place right here which is so crazy I'm like where recording Where Do We Begin should we begin with giving birth or I guess guess what was your first haunting actually okay we'll go back a little bit because when we were recording in April you had some

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hauntings happen in the house they were really small right they felt small in the in the moment but now because of some of the things that have happened since then I'm like was I ignoring potentially a bigger sign and probably so a few of those things I can't even remember everything but like one of the things that happened was we heard a loud crash basically at 6:00 a.m. and we came down and two different um curtain rods curtain rods had been ripped out of their socket and the socket was pointing up so it was like a 45° angle up so in order to get the curtain rod off of the socket you would have had to lift it up and they were like basically torn off and there were two of them separate that were bent and I can't even remember any of the other things there were totally some other things wasn't that when you were trying to sleep in and you had snoozed your alarm and then you heard the loud crash so it was almost like a wake up it no sleeping in and this was also when we had a ton of of projects

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happening around the house because we bought a house that the people who owned it perfectly timed their move they lived here for 20 some years and the second

The Hauntings Before Birth

they left everything broke everything was on like a 20e cycle so we had to fix everything so we were kind of ripping things down and disturbing the house and so we were curious like oh are we disrupting previous tenants but there were only like we know the people who had lived here and so far everybody is still alive well I don't I know that but if they are alive they're very old and people do here like do remember them right and there was nothing horrible that happened sure but people living people can leave behind energy residual hauntings of A Sort and the land holds a lot of history Beyond this house being here yeah that is very true I wrote Dy and see like a shadow in the kitchen or something I literally can't remember I have no idea that doesn't ring a bell okay all right well we have plenty of

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new ones to talk about Brian is a skeptic he doesn't like to hear well he's skep not the right word he's scared's scared he doesn't want to hear about it because he's scared of it but I did write down a b not even everything but I wrote down a bunch of things because I was like I'm going to forget because I forget everything now so I need to remember what happened okay we're starting before I give birth actually there we go that's what we're doing so it's a few weeks before my due date and my feet were so SW and I had to go in and get the nsts like twice a week because I was so swollen that they thought that something was wrong and so they were constantly checking me and the baby Noah and so with my swollen feet bless Brian and his sweet little soul he decided to book me at the super spiritual place he found in the NorthShore and is a Salt Cave oh situation they have massages there but they also have foot soaks so he's like this is something you can do while you're pregnant cuz I had terrible acid reflex I couldn't go get massages like everything was horrible I couldn't move I gave a T away so he booked me

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proud proudly yeah I still think about it I'm still holding on to some of it I can't let it go but so he booked me the foot soak so I go to this foot soak and already it's kind of like a wooo magical place right we love this place yeah and the owner is there and she's the one that's setting up my my foot soak there's one other person who's helping her who I think is starting to work there so she's almost like in training okay and then there's a third woman who is also there for a foot soak larly knows the other two women they're all kind of communing together I'm super pregnant so they're asking me questions about just my pregnancy and telling me stories of their kids and we were just all kind of chatting together the other woman who's getting the foot soak in the past like decade has basically had this spiritual awakening she does past life regression she does all of this amazing stuff and she's she helps people who like she does her own past life aggressions or she no she does with other people she just

Spiritual Experiences During Pregnancy

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suddenly kind of like opened up and oh absorbed all this stuff and can tell things yeah and so she's worked a lot with people who've dealt with like anxiety or drug addictions and like different things like that um and she told me some really interesting stories and there was one story where she was like text me if you want more information I can text the guy and see if he's willing to tell you so I need to do that but she worked with someone who suffered from an alien production many of them and worked through it with past life regression so I was like oh my God this is cool so it sounds like his alien abduction may have not been a pleasant one no no no no he like yeah not not a good experience seriously help him so I'm in this place and I'm talking to all these cool women and then the owner is like oh yeah this place is haunted and she said that this is amazing what is this place what's it called oh let me let me look it up it's in Hamilton Spirit tree Wellness that is

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what it's called hopefully they don't get mad at me for talking about this we we'll recommend them yeah okay Spirit tree Wellness it was a magical experience and I have gone back for a massage that was amazing too but we're all talking and she says this place is haunted that she feels that there's this kind of like she notices like a presence in the corner this one specific Corner kind of like Dart around and she's never really known who it was but she said a while back after she had opened this place someone came rushing in and was like oh my God oh my God my it was like their uncle or something used to work here he used to own this place he would sit in that corner at his sewing machine all day and that's the exact same Corner that she said she always saw someone like out of the corner of her eye right there oh it's his spot so it's his spot and then I'm that's a good haunting it's a good haunting I'm about to leave and the woman that does past life aggression is like is it inappropriate of me to ask if I can do raiki on you and I was like no shut so she does raiki on my stomach

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and she's like do you feel anything and I was like No And then a few seconds later Noah starts like bo bo boom bo going crazy and then at the time we Brian and I had decided Noah's name but we didn't tell anyone his name any one which is not like no it's literally the most common name like if you look at most common boy names Noah is number one but we just didn't tell people because there's that's common a lot of people don't do that yeah and we were advised by um parents in our in our family too to just like not share cuz everyone has a comment about it and so they're like even if it's like the most basic name like someone's going to have something to say about the name Chris so it's like okay I just don't want to hear it yeah right so we hadn't told anyone and the three women are standing there in front of me and I'm checked out and I'm about

Labor and Delivery

to leave and they said did you pick out a name yet and I was like I didn't want to say yes but I'm not telling you so I was like oh well we're we're between a few so we haven't ful committed but we

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have some options one of them goes says the name Noah and then the other woman says I'm getting well I don't want to say the names because I don't I don't like publicly shared Noah's middle name but she said two names and it was one of them so between the three names they got his first name and middle name that's wild like a week two weeks before I was so this is a very spiritual Place very spiritual Spirit tree Wellness there we go wow yeah I know it's I like what a cool way to kind of yeah that's such a positive experience and I'm nervous because you've hinted that the other things get so much worse once he once Noah arrived it got worse oh gosh so we'll fast forward I go into labor six days before my due date naturally I just like wake up have contractions I text Sierra from ladies and tangents cuz she's on vacation with her mother-in-law who was a labor and delivery nurse and I was like am I in labor like what is this and she was listening to me she was like oh yeah I think maybe you are you should probably call your doctor so I called my doctor they're like going to the hospital I go

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to the hospital they're like oh your contractions are 5 minutes apart but you're not dilated go home so I drive home and this is in rush hour traffic too of course also Brian was at work that day so I just didn't tell him until like I felt like he actually needed to leave work I love I have your location so like that whole week cuz you had gone you had told me you were going to the hospital and then you said they sent me home yeah and so after that I was like checking your location like crazy it's so funny cuz our friend Jordan also just facetimed me cuz she was like FaceTiming me randomly throughout the pregnancy and she facetimed me and I answered in the hospital and she was like oh my God she's like I was calling to see how you were doing the week up to your like leading up to your due date but yeah so ended up getting sent home went back 90 minutes later had to battle more traffic cuz it was still R hour traffic L dah whatever they let me in cuz I started to get a little dilated and then things kind of went mostly smoothly my water broke naturally

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at 5:00 a.m. I labored like in the night which sucked for my mom and Brian because they were attempting to sleep in preparation and I joked with my mom because she was like I couldn't sleep at all and I was like how could you there was a ghost haunting your hospital room cuz the whole time I walked around going woo soain wasn't the hospital actually haunted okay yes so ended up having to have an emergency c section because as Noah was coming down he got tangled up in the umbilical cord they threw me around for like 4 hours back and forth and uh because at that point I got the Ural which if you're pregnant don't listen to this part it hurts it hurts a lot everyone says that it hurts everyone says it hurts for a minute they're like it's a beasting for a minute they literally put 30 minutes yeah until it kicks in right I don't know maybe maybe something just went wrong with putting it in me because I was sitting there for a while and they were working on me and it really hurt and but I guess the plus

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side was I was really close in contractions at that point so I was just everything yeah regardless but yeah

Postpartum Hauntings and Family Connections

he got wrapped up had an emergency C-section did you see your guts no but this is one of the horrifying things about pregnancy is I don't know what I thought a C-section was but I didn't want to think much about it also they I had multiple panic attacks during it and they kept being like Oh it's just the drugs oh it's just your and I was like no I know when I'm having a panic attack and one of the times was on the table you're awake but you're whole body is you're completely awake no it actually only takes like 5 minutes from the time you're wheeled in to the baby coming out it's 5 minutes but then it takes 45 minutes for them to get everything put you back together put you back together and they also make you lay with your arms out like your Jesus on the cross and I was like do they have a sheet like in front of you like this yes they asked if we didn't want the sheet and I said absolutely not put the sheet up and then they said do you want to see the baby when he comes out and I said no

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you have to stitch me up first they didn't listen they showed us they showed us Noah but like it was also so weird too because you have this baby in you that you've never seen and then when they show you the baby as soon as he started crying that's I think when our hearts kind of went like uh but for the few seconds before he started crying when they just showed him to us I looked at him and I was like who is that like Str strer yes literally seriously yeah it probably does take a second cuz you spend so much time with him Imagining the moment of birth but and I didn't even hold him for that long when they were stitching me up because they put him on my chest but I was shaking so badly that I'm like I had have Brian hold him yeah but it was yeah it's scary cuz we're like holding each other like me and Brian it was terrifying and he's so tiny he's so so tiny yeah and also I didn't know this that when you have a C-section like the benefit of them going through the birth canal is they get squeezed and so all the liquid and stuff

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comes out of them so that night in the hospital was so scary twice he like like choked on all of the liquid coming up oh my God it was terrifying yeah but with the C-section thing I didn't really think much about it and then I was telling uh one of my friends Emma I was like oh my God it's the weirdest feeling like you really can feel everything that's happening I was like it feels like this like it feels like someone's like ripping you this far and like they're like I was like you feel it like 3 feet out from your body it's the weirdest sensation she goes oh yeah when they're taking your organs out and putting them on the table I was like come again yeah I didn't fact that you didn't even know that I don't know I thought they just kind of shoved them on the like in the side on you and then reached for the baby I did not know that the pulling sensation that I was feeling was theming my organs oh my God gross I

The Dark Side of Hauntings

was so scared though you had the sheet cuz if you had seen that that would you would you would have passed out yeah I

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will never sorry to anyone who's planning a C-section I will never plan one if I have to have one again I'm going to probably faint I think now knowing some of the stuff knowing what it is yeah even though you've already experienced it I've already experienced yeah but now I know now I know my organs are coming out oh my God I can't I was so scared too cuz obviously it was kind of an emergency so I didn't have much time to think and they were Wheeling me in and I told one of the nurses Nicole I was like I don't want to hear a single thing you guys are saying I don't want to hear a single I don't want anyone to talk to me I need you to play my music in my ear the loudest it can possibly go like deafen me so what song was playing when you gave birth to Noah it was Shania Twain I can't remember the exact song but I like that Shania Twain it was Shania Twain but not Abba no but Abba was on the list it was like all Chapel roone no josier but she puts on my music like she grabs my phone I give her the code and then she goes I just opened Spotify and you have a playlist called literally giving birth so that's what I'm putting on I said great that's what it's

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for but fast forward we're in the hospital so Noah was born on May 11th uh June 11th that whoa 611 at 6 PB 11 ounces 6116 was it 1: p.m. it was 12:45 okay too bad it was emergency maybe I could have been like actually can you whip them out it well I couldn't I wouldn't have known that 6B 11 o so we're in the hospital we stayed for 4 days cuz I was struggling with the C-section recovery and did for many many weeks yeah but we're some of the nurses are so helpful some of them not so much but there's this one nurse who was extremely helpful and I won't say her name CU she asked me to not expose what hospital was or any of this information but she's helping me and Brian a ton and I'm also by the way like I've seen other people in their Hospital photos and I've talked to other moms did you know that people put clothes on while they're in the hospital I was naked for 4 days did you have like a hospital gown they gave

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me one I turned it around I was tits out the whole time I had the back that makes sense because you're breastfeeding and like doing all that why would you make it easier for you and with babies too when they're like oh your baby needs to eat every like 45 minutes or every 90 minutes okay well 90 minutes comes and then they eat for 45 minutes and then by the time you're done with that they sleep for 15 minutes and then they're up again so like it your why would you so I was naked the whole time didn't matter who was in maintenance came in you were glow honestly servic it made me it makes me mad every time I see and you're included I'm mad at you every time I see a photo of a woman who had just given birth and is like no makeup literally fresh out of pushing and going through labor not sleeping you were glowing it's it's sweat it's actually sweat but you looked beautiful thanks I was like dripping sweat cuz they pumped you with so much in the IV fluid so I was I couldn't stop you're stunning well thank you and you

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are stunning and I was so pumped with the IV fluid that I actually couldn't

The Mansion on the Hill and Its Energy

walk for two days and Brian had they would want you to get out of your hospital bed but I couldn't cuz my legs were so swollen that I couldn't benge them at the knee so Brian had to come and lift my legs out every time I had to pee and pull my legs to the side and then yank me up like a little freaking straight plank board so that I could hobble over to the bathroom you know what one benefit that you didn't have to experience because you did a C-section is the first poop after giving birth that's my biggest fear yeah well they still want you to poop but I didn't have to deal with painful yeah which also that poor nurse cuz they were like they asked you like did you poop and I didn't know what I was supposed to do so I showed her I said yes I did with your hand you picked it up well I wiped and then I was like here you go if you need if you need proof for your notes I don't know so anyway that was the type of behavior I was I was like here's everything I already know that there's 40 people have seen my vagina at this

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point and this one nurse was extremely helpful she after helping us for like 3 days suddenly goes oh my God you're curan from two girls on ghost and I was like what and she was like I finally put it together I listened to your podcast your doctor said did you know that she has a spooky podcast and I just now put it together no way yeah and she had so many stories so one of our listeners has seen your vagina she's seen everything I haven't even seen she told me with my boobs out I was standing there my she's seen more of you than I have she's seen it all she's seen me at my worst but she told me so many stories of her own because she's very it comes from like a very psychic sort of family but I don't think she advertises this much at work right and the hospital that I delivered out which I also won't say the name of they have a ghost in the Maternity Ward and they believe that it is the spirit of a nurse who used to work there because there's one specific

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room where the call light will continue to go off and it will go off even when someone is in the room so like it goes off when no one is in that room but also they have multiple like couples and moms and stuff being like the call light just keeps going off keeps going off and I never pressed it yeah and so that's kind of their little Hospital hunting I like that it's a nurse so sweet yeah I feel like most hospitals it is well I guess maybe it could be patients but I feel like a lot of the stories we've heard and covered it's a lot of suspected nurses we did have that one where it was like uh Children's Cancer Wing remember and there was like a little ghost girl who saved a life yes yes yeah oh my God chill thinking about it yeah yeah so special so anyway we get home new baby new energy house has a different presence to react to and it did so react it did I did write down the other

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thing that had happened remember I was like previously there was the beams that or the curtain rods that got ripped down the other one was when I was standing in here dirt materialized and fell from the air and hit me and we talked about our ghost worm yeah and we have no idea why there was dirt that hit me which you're like that's so random but now I'm starting to think could that be demonic it seems like there were two kind of really rough things maybe week two of having Noah I know babies are weird but he was always very focused on eating and never distracted by anything else there wasn't much going on in that little tiny brain yet MH in the middle of the night I'm nursing him and he is very food driven and oriented so he was not about to yeah he wasn't about to like rip himself off of my boob until he was like nursed to being conked out all of a sudden he rips his head up and he stares into this one corner and he's staring like person height and he like looks at me and then he keeps looking back at

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this like one corner and then he just literally stops and stares for like 10 minutes it was like someone was talking to him and then he eventually went back and continued and it was so bizarre do you think that's connected to your uncle well maybe initially I thought this was my grandpa on my dad's side because my grandpa Robert Bob he would visit other people like there's there's many people in my family like kids that are now grown up that when they were younger had like an imaginary friend or someone who would come visit them and my grandpa had died when he was in his 40s so none of us had met him and people kind of put two and two together once the kids like saw a photo of him and was like oh my gosh that's the that's yeah that's the guy that visits me so I was thinking that it was this man okay and I thought that for the next few weeks because every night I would hear walking up and down the hallway I would hear some it was like never in the room it was so weird it was like always right before Noah would wake up to eat I would hear

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walking down the hallway or I'd hear while I was nursing him in his room with the door closed I'd hear someone walk and stand right at the in front of the door like someone Wasing on me no in front of Noah's door I would hear walking up and down the hallway to come to my door and right before he'd wake up when he woke up and I'd go into the nursery I'd hear someone standing outside of his door so like protective and feels very I felt good about it I was like this is great I'm having such a hard time with this and sleep deprivation and postpartum depression and anxiety it's kind of nice to think that I have an ancestor kind of like hanging out with me yeah and Noah would also kind of like react to someone and only in his Nursery will he start cing and laughing and giggling and interacting with someone when he's on the changing table if he's down here or if you change him anywhere else it doesn't happen just in that room and I've like looked up cuz I'm like is there like something on the ceiling that like looks like a face like I couldn't figure anything in that room that belongs to family at all well the

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dresser is just mine from childhood okay no I guess no not really I mean I wonder why just that room just a collection of clothes and gifts that people who sure so maybe there is just like family protective energy yeah yeah I have no clue but he's very interactive stuff is still happening in the past couple weeks like there's been multiple times where I've felt really tired at night and one time I thought to myself oh my God I'm going to fall I need to get up right now and as soon as I said that a light that I have that's on a dimmer switch a task light that's next to the nursing chair which I don't have on at night I just have another lamp on the other side turned on so it's like someone was like don't fall asleep and then the which seems like a pattern don't fall asleep or don't go back to bed or wake up totally yeah and then the other day when I just walked in in the middle of the night it got turned on like before I was even in the nursing chair so helpful I love this and then my mom was theorizing that maybe wrinkles paid us a visit what if it is wrinkles because it could be it

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could be a whole host of people but wrinkles were thinking cuz the other night or at this point it was like maybe five or six weeks ago I was so tired and I was like Noah was starting to make some kind of like stirring a little bit and I was like I'm just going to wait and see if he goes back to sleep like I'll give it five minutes like hoping and I'm turned away or I was facing Noah and then I started to turn away from him and the second I turned away I feel pressure on the bed like At first I felt like it was someone's hand pressing right on the side of me and I'm awake and I was like that's so weird that Noah can reach up and out of his bassinet and like his really long arms that he has pressed down on the bed and I was like that's so weird and then it clicks in my head and I was like oh my God this is something paranormal and I'm I'm still waiting because at this point I'm also like trying to think of what's Happening behind me and the pressing gets more intense but this time it's multiple it seemed like an animal because it felt

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like someone was walking on the bed next to me and so I told my mom and she was like I bet it was wrinkles that's so sweet yeah very sweet so some of the stuff that happened was very sweet however there has been some stuff that has not been so sweet it's going to take a turn yeah Brian had his first encounter I was going to ask what Brian thinks about all of this maybe this one isn't so bad and we just talked about how like people can leave a stain somewhere but Brian texted me a few days ago he said I'm hearing things and I I was out on a walk with Noah in a stroller we were on the complete other side of the neighborhood I said what do you mean ghost things cuz I was like oh my God is it finally happening yeah and he was like yeah I keep hearing Noah crying but we were out of the house and I was like maybe it's kind of like an iPhone thing where you think you feel like a phantom Buzz because you're just like used to your phone buzzing but he's like yeah it's so weird I keep hearing him crying and that was the only time it's ever happened interesting that could be residual too yeah but but then a few weeks ago uhhuh my mom is here

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helping us and it's 10: p.m. it's not even that late Brian just went to bed and he's on his laptop my mom just walked into her room and I have just finished feeding Noah and I'm about to put him back into bed he Noah and I are just like there and I hear Brian go my love and then say something else and so I was like oh shoot and no's awake so I was like Daddy's calling for us and so I walk down the hallway and I go into our room and I'm like yes what did you say and he goes what do you mean I wasn't I didn't say anything but I specifically heard Brian's voice call out to me that also could be residual potentially that night something I didn't know until recently when I told my mom another thing that happened was my mom went to sleep and she had sleep paralysis in the guest room and she woke up and she was completely like in the room in the sleep paralysis State and there was this girl that looked kind of similar to me with long dark hair just standing there over

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her like standing on the side of the bed was she younger than you or your like was it you I think it was similar to my age but it wasn't me but my mom said that she was just really like kind of freaked out by it and thinking about it and the only reason she came out of the sleep paralysis was because in the middle of the night I busted the door open I was like Mom I need help because I was struggling a bit with like breastfeeding Noah and he was squirming and getting him in the position she felt negative energy she felt negative energy she didn't tell me this until a couple weeks ago the only reason she told me this was because I was talking to my neighbor and he goes oh yeah I was out checking my peach tree and there's a posum eating my peaches and I found the posum eating my peaches he shows me the picture and it's night time and I was like oh my God what time did you go out there and he goes oh I was out there at 11:00 at night and he goes I'm surprised you didn't see me I looked over and I saw you standing in your kitchen and you weren't I do not go downstairs after like 8:00 p.m. ever no not unless Brian's accompanying me like you didn't need to get anything for Noah or

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anything no I've never come down never ever come down so I told my mom that and she was like see someone who looked like you in a sleep paralysis state so I'm like okay something could be mimicking Noah's cry mimicking Brian calling to me and now appearing to be someone similar in looks to me and now we have my mom having sleep paralysis witnessing this woman and my neighbor who why would my neighbor ever suspect that it was a ghost can you tell how hard I'm trying to come up with like a positive spin on this right for this is what I told Jerry and Sierra when they were here I was like I got to tell you I think I have a doppelganger situation but you can't tell Sabrina because I got to tell the podcast yeah okay cu the only thing I'm thinking is and this is something that if you've listen if you've Len to the podcast if people have listened to the podcast before they've heard your Easter Revelation where you potentially think you may be haunted by yourself so I want to believe it's something connected to

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that but if your mom had negative Vibes because the timing if it is something positive the timing of when your mom had sleep paralysis and saw some version of you moments later you burst in needing help so was it this like moment of your energy going to your mom almost before you physically could well I don't know why I'd be in the kitchen watching Steven and his peaches maybe that's what you wish you were doing or you've started to astral project and you're just wandering yeah well let me add another layer to this oh no I was talking to another neighbor a neighbor who was born here raised here and now lives in the p in her parents house so she has been here since this neighborhood was built okay and I'm talking to her about Noah and just she's also kind of like spooky witchy sort of person and I was like yeah like you know energy shifted things have changed I should probably cleanse the house

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because Noah was definitely interacting with things and things have started to happen and she goes oh well you're very close to where the Mansion on the hill used to be and I was like wa what does that mean I I already love the Mansion on the hill even though I can tell there's some like dark connotation behind it but I just love the way it sounds she said that growing up she was not allowed to go up towards the Mansion on the hill and she never wanted to because the vi Vibes were so horrible there was this giant mansion up on a hill that since was ripped down and subdivided and now there's this neighborhood but where that exist she said there's such horrible energy she hates being up there she said when she's still to this day when she's walking her dog around the neighborhood when they go close to that area like close to where the driveways are to get to where that specific house used to be her dog will freak out she's like there is something really darken have you walked over there not specif I've walked past where she's

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talking about I do it every single day but I've never gone like up into that wooded area because it's someone's property now so I I can't do it but when she was a kid they would like kind of venture around and she was like yeah there's that was the place where you were dared to go and she said she had a dream one night that felt kind of sleep paraly sleep paralysis where there was something up on the hill that was trying to call to her and trying to summon her there and so she was like I was really freaked out by that area and you live basically on the backside of the Mansion on the hill so I wouldn't be shocked to hear if it's that way that way okay yeah she was like I wouldn't be shocked to hear if there's Darkness kind of like perating yeah going through the ground and heading towards your house I'm curious if we could do any research about that house the Mansion on the hill Oh I well I know the name of the people who owned it so I'm going to try cuz we should she also said that the people who lived in the

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Mansion on the hill only lived in a small section of their mansion because the rest of the house was overrun by ghosts I love that it's terrifying but I love that so much especially because it's like it's not right here you know we can set a boundary and like your mom did come back and it's right there but your mom did come back and cleanse with you right no we haven't had time oh I thought she came no we still she has come multiple times asking to cleanse and we have not had a single second because Noah's going through some stuff and it's been difficult to do she did bring some holy water and he was dead asleep and she put just a little bit on his forehead and he rose from his sleep and went and then passed back out and we were both looking at each other and she goes I think the water just scared him that's all yes it was just the water have to rename Noah Damian so okay yeah there's some stuff that's

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been going on that is why you've set boundaries with me and said no communicating with ghosts in the house but recording demonic things recording all about the Paranormal totally fine I mean how I I can't say no to that that has to be the one thing that I allow slip in we have to yeah but I've been very scared cuz all that stuff is happening well it's it's one thing where I was like I'm scared but I'm also so tired just like trying to keep another human alive that I've actually done the thing that you are supposed to do when something potentially demonic is happening IGN it I've completely ignored it I've paid it no mind things will happen next to me and more on your priority list yeah and I just move forward well that's great yeah good job I can't think ofse perfect yeah thank you thank you and then I told you this and other people on campfire stories the other night but I've been having a really hard time with postpartum depression and anxiet and I was having just like an especially horrible day and

Dreams and Connections with Loved Ones

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that night I went to bed and I had a dream that didn't feel like a dream it felt like a visitation if because I was in my body and I was thinking this is so weird that I'm here and I'm like dreaming right now and people are around me and I had the conscious train of thought in my dream yeah it was lucid it was lucid yeah and my uncle Dicky was in my dream and my uncle Dicky passed away in 2020 he had Parkinson's and there were some complications with being in the hospital in Co and different things yeah but I loved my uncle Dicky so much and growing up we would go over to Janette and Dicky's house all the time and we'd go visit them in their house in Florida and I have a chest that his son gave me as a wedding gift and this is my great uncle Dicky I call him my uncle Dicky but he's my great uncle Dicky but he used to restore these antique chests and he and my great Anette also were collectors of like Antiquities and had an antique shop and all of that stuff and so he just always like gifted me these old things so when he passed his

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son gifted me one of these old chests that he had restored when he was alive and it is like so dear to me and I have it in the sun room right next to where I spend a lot of my time yeah and I've never ever dreamt of Uncle Dicky ever and the other night when I was having a horrible time he came in and he was in a wheelchair in my dream MH and he looked at me and he didn't really say anything yet and my brother was next to me but I wasn't like looking at my brother I just like knew he was next to me and I started to like lean forward to hug Uncle Dicky and my brother goes oh are we allowed to like basically being like well are we allowed to hug you yeah and he interrupts and he goes of course you can I've missed you and he reaches out and hugs me and the second we're embraced I wake up and Noah is like wakes up too what if Noah was dreaming about him too maybe or maybe Noah was actually seeing him maybe I don't know but it was I told my mom that my mom

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like got teed and she's like oh my god really really special yeah because we fully believe Uncle Dicky was yeah was there I fully believe that too yeah I also very much believe whatever Dark Energy might be passing through or bleeding down here from the castle on the hill it is no match for what you have protecting you and like the positive energy and I mean think about wrinkles alone is a guardian of yours and wrinkles alone will defeat any Darkness I know that for a fact but you have so much support and love around you that even living living and deceased family or past lives Spirit guides whatever nothing's going to harm you I hope so we'll make sure of it I don't think anything can and I think that's also why I haven't been as panicked about cleansing like my mom has been because I'm like every night I feel people around me but like good energy

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there's only been a few spooky things where I'm like but for the most part I know other people are here and they're trying to help me right and we also spend our lives doing this podcast talking about paranormal often some of the dark stuff so of course you're going to be on guard when something a little bit uncertain happens which I think it's good yeah because then you're aware enough to be like okay should I be cleansing or should I be calling upon my love ones to really like surround me in this positivity I also feel very protected just based on our listeners like I feel like there was so many people sending me Good Vibes I feel like it did kind of create this almost Shield this like force field where there were a few times where I was like who is this I wonder like whose energy is being projected that we know I mean we literally have had listeners we I can't remember her name but we had a listener come on on campfire stories maybe a year ago to tell us about like this haunting that had been following her for her whole life mhm and we at campfire

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stories were like let us all take a moment to send energy her way this protective force from our community and she said from that night she has never experienced anything again I know the story but I still get chills every time we hear it because that is so wild it's it's believable like it's it's one of those and we just talked about this with the SML position where they I mean I know it didn't work for them but they like had a big group of people just constantly trying to come in and have the positive energy and I feel like we have that we do like the whole Community can project their energy towards someone and it does work it does work so I do feel it and there was even like one campfire stories where I knew you were having a tough time and I was just like let's all send healing energy towards K and yeah I mean even without me asking I know that people are doing that for both of us yeah yeah witches thank you guys witches love you witches

The Power of Community and Positive Energy

yeah witches we love you for it we do love you for it

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I do want to talk for a moment about postpartum yeah I was going to depression anxiety yeah cuz it's something that I've really been suffering with and I think that it's also something that I was so not prepared to deal with because I'm already going to start crying I know because like people are sorry it's just going to be tears that's fine yeah people talk sorry before I even talked about this I just remembered something

Navigating Postpartum Depression and Anxiety

did you know you can be allergic to breastfeeding and I was and M of course you literally everything happened like my feet would swell and welts every time I breastfed and I just kept doing it and after like four weeks it finally stopped happening but I'd be like horribly itchy and swollen like you spend four weeks with Leia and eventually you'll be I guess it was horrible I almost quit grass-feeding over it I probably should have but anyway I feel like everyone talks about postpartum and in that people are like oh yeah it's very normal to have postpartum depression a lot of people have it people will feel a lot of sadness you might have trouble bonding

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with your child but no one gives you specifics of how you're actually going to feel but also everyone's specifics are different yes but it also made me feel very embarrassed because I felt like my specifics were like I'm going to start grinding again like it felt just like Beyond like what I would have considered to be depression because I've had anxiety I've had depression in different bouts and Times of my life and I've gone to therapy for those things but this felt so much worse and it started basically like maybe day three of after we came home from the hospital and at first I was like maybe this is Baby Blues because the majority of people get baby blues it goes away within a couple weeks where you just feel off like all of your hormones are kind of like pulsing through you right but this just did not go away and it's still kind of here but it's I'm going to give specifics because I don't want other people to experience it and then feel embarrassed and I also just want to say

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in case Noah's listening to this in the future like it has absolutely nothing to do with him and everything to do with just like the chemicals in my brain yeah so there's nothing he did at all that could have changed this or prevented it or anything but I think the first thing that happened was like my postpartum anxiety and it was I also have OCD so that doesn't help to like add another layer onto it but I did not sleep for weeks because I would sit and stare into his Binet to see if he was breathing and I know a lot of parents have that fear and so people do that all the time but it was like obsessive and I was so scared and I told my doctor cuz I got flagged pretty quick for she flagged me she saw I thought I was like which is great I'm glad that you know that she was able to see it completely honest in the questionnaire I thought it was like and she was like we're fling fact that you were trying do it lightly and she was like red flag red

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flag yeah and then she made me come in every week which was good good that's very good that she was like I'll see you next week you're not coming in in four weeks you're coming in every single week until I feel like you're okay yeah so I told my doctor I was like it was this thing where anytime Brian left I would be so scared that Brian would die it was like this thing that was just like consuming me I was like Brian's going to die or Noah's going to die and every time I would like move Noah I would be so scared that his neck would snap like there were just these horrible intrusive thoughts and it wasn't intrusive as in like that you think you're going to harm your child it's that you think your child's going to be harmed yeah I would swing from these crazy anxious anxious moments into deep depression and I had no in between and the Depression was basically like I could look at Noah crying and like just be completely checked out and blank face and not feel anything or I would think like what if I just walk away and I just leave for a week and just come back or like he would

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be so much better off if I wasn't his mom he wouldn't be crying if he had a different Mom I'm sorry like things like that and it was just really those are really hard thoughts to have and to have them and be like why am I thinking this and then get even worse to yourself and be mean to yourself and then every single day at 400 p.m. I would just feel like I was going to vomit cuz I'd be so anxious that night was coming and that it would just be me and Noah alone because I was breastfeeding him so it's not like Brian could help and there were many times that Brian ended up just sitting with me and getting up and just like sitting to be with us but oh my God it was just like so horrible and just like some of the thoughts that you have are just like you feel really disgusted with yourself and also people would text me and they're like are you so in love are you so happy and I'm like I don't know like I don't think this baby even likes me no he smiled a lot at pran and he didn't smile at me but also because I was so anxious that I spent every single

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moment looking at him like this like are you breathing are you okay like I never smiled at him for like a month because I was just struggling so much and then he's gone through his own no's gone through his own issues with so many different things yeah so many different things and we've had a lot of talk to visits and stuff and I was fine for like four weeks and then it just all came full force and it's horrible because I'm trying so hard not to cry in front of him but there was one time and I told you about this but I'm like also embarrassed by it that I just couldn't keep it in me and I just started sobbing and Noah had been crying and he was like on my shoulder and he just stopped crying and he propped himself up on me and he like literally tried to balance like he's wobbling and he's trying to balance and like reach out and like touch my face and I was like he loves you I know but it made me so sad I was like I don't want him to feel like he has to comfort me he's the baby I have to comfort him I know but you're human and I think that's part of raising a child is showing them that it's okay to have emotions and oh

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God I'm really sorry that you have gone through this and you are experiencing all this it's so incredibly hard and like it's also you are not good at asking for help and I think this has forced you to reach out to people in a way that will probably leave like you with really positive outcomes out coming out of this but it did make me realize too the importance of having the right partner because yeah I feel terrible for Brian but there have probably half the time that Noah's been alive he's had to fully take care of me and Noah and he hasn't like he's been so good at it but I'm sure he went through his own thing with transitioning into being a dad and our lives been completely different and he didn't really have time to process it cuz he had to fully take care of me and our baby and I was just thinking oh my God I like can't even imagine doing this alone I can't imagine doing this for the partner who like didn't fully support me or this child or that I didn't trust

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fully like I mean that's God I have Brian oh another thing with postart of anxiety that was so crippling was I couldn't stop crying not only just for like the things that I was experiencing but I couldn't stop thinking about all the babies and the moms in the world that were not in safe situations I know like I still think about it all the time yeah I mean I feel like you're going to think about that forever yeah yeah doesn't help all the things that are going on in the world that are just so incredibly atrocious and that we're you know we see it we hear it and I just can't stop thinking about those babies I know it hurts it does it hurts a lot but one in seven women experience postpartum depression so you're not alone and I feel like I gave like very light examples of some of the things that I experienced in thought but feel free if you're experiencing something to DM me on Instagram because whatever crazy thing or embarrassing thing you're thinking or feeling I

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probably felt it yeah you're not alone yeah and also I mean I'm not going to say names but we have a friend who has a child and experienced postpartum like years later and also similarly she felt so embarrassed and felt like something was wrong with her and people don't talk about a delayed postpartum but it does happen I mean motherhood is so I mean I can't speak from experience obviously but like you are putting something else and someone else before you and that's already so difficult and so like such a tremendous amount of giving that is going on that I hope you know you are doing an incredible job and you are there's nothing wrong with you you are an amazing mother it's just everything to your point all at once like you're trying to fully protect this person and have you lose yourself and you also have to G like I guess this was another thought I had that I was embarrassed by

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there were times when I was like we ruined our lives because I was like we're never going to get to go out to dinner again we're never going to get to be like the couple that we were like I'm not the same person I never you have to grieve yourself your relationship with everyone that you've ever had because it's always going to be a little bit different but in a beautiful way yeah it doesn't feel like that in the moment I know I know but I think with time it will come in my mind that was like that was very embarrassing to think like oh my God I ruined my life I shouldn't have had a child and then I swing and then I'm like when can I get pregnant again when is my section going to be like they said one year like it's crazy these swings I know it's exhausting too cuz you can't keep up with your own brain on top of everything else yeah well I love you you're doing such an incredible job and well and thank you to Sabrina for I was supposed to be on maternity leave for 3 months and it's basically going to end up being like six months because I can't do anything I can't think I can't

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remember anything so Saina I show up I will I will be your calendar I will be I put on the bookshelf and that you did you did yeah you know I went through trauma treatment and you took on more of the work then and like yeah we've there for each other yeah and I think that's you know that goes for so many people in your life you have such a beautiful support system including our community and people love you and even when it's hard for you to love yourself or for you to see everything clearly other people will be there I will be there I will continuously remind you thank you yeah and now I live here so you have to deal with me that's true but I do want to put in the show notes we'll link some support uh sites for people if you're suffering from depression anxiety we'll have some resources for you there it's especially important if you are in the postpartum depression phase of life to seek help because uh suicide is the

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number two yeah reason that people end their lives postpartum and out of that number of people who do that the large majority of them had never seen a therapist or sought help within the past month before that happen thank you for talking about it because that's part of what I think helps people other people yeah and I know a lot of our listeners are entering similar phase in their life as you are or might be going through it and haven't been able to feel safe talking about it so thank you and also it helps to just ask I know it's so hard to ask for help but like it took me how long to ask for help when I told Brian like I'm suffering and he went and he found me a therapist and he booked it he did everything so call your friend tell a coworker also if you are a friend of someone who has recently had a child

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or is even just like just reach out to your loved ones just generally and tell them that you're there for them yeah and if they don't respond just text them again it doesn't have to they don't have to respond because also I don't respond to people for like seven days cuz I just don't have time but I like that it seven days seven days I only respond if you text me within the 10minute span that I'm actively pumping yeah right and then otherwise you have to wait 7 days for me to open your text if I ever do just hug your loved ones remind them all that you love them and just know no matter what in life you are not alone and there is support for you and we're here for you we love you we all love you Karen thanks you're incredible and I love everyone else I don't want to scare anybody away from having a child but yeah but and

The Importance of Support and Open Conversations

it's the other the one other thing and this is the last thing I'll say is I think that if you are starting to be honest with people about how you're feeling you will be shocked at how many people start to tell you stories because

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that was the thing that I experienced over Instagram Direct messages with other people that were moms or even just walking my neighborhood every time someone said how are you I said I'm alive yeah and immediately because I didn't say oh we're good which is what it's everyone wants to say that even like if you don't have a child even if you're not experiencing postpartum like any type of ailment or issue in life I feel like we are taught to like just be like oh where everything's well just D we'll survive no I was like I'm alive I'm awake and immediately the number of people that were like oh my God I had postpartum depression are you experiencing that it was crazy how more Comm it's so common yeah people don't talk about it or they just say oh I had postpartum depression and they don't want to revisit it because it is very painful and it's also probably really hard when there are other people in your life who are having kids and aren't experiencing it and and are experiencing this Bliss and like one of my friend had

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a baby one month after me and our experiences are so different she is baby bliss over the moon Heart full of love immediately bonded everything is perfect rainbows butterflies that's not always that's not always the reality and yeah I

Exploring the Paranormal: Hauntings and Connections

love you thank you for sharing that so I've been battling the P few months but now we have a new recording we have comfy chairs we have comfy chairs I mean you saw our Aura reading at housewitch with kayin it was wild how your aura has changed my aura was basically like fight or flight yeah survival survive yeah and I knew it well I was suspecting that it if it wasn't I would have started to believe a little bit less in Aura readings I mean that makes me believe in AA readings wait we should frame our Aura photography you have them right I do here hold on okay I'm going to show our AA okay well just to give everyone an example this is what I used to be and

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what I always was that was what 3 years ago almost yeah and anyone I ever encountered who said that they could read auras told me I was purple this is Sabrina she's pretty much always been this except she became super psychic with that white Halo this was the other day mhm then this is me now whoops but you've also experienced some hauntings that I haven't heard of and I got glimpses of it here and there because I was seeing what you were sharing on social media but you didn't you saved a lot of I haven't told you all of them yeah yeah so where do I begin I don't have as many as you I mean and and they're all pretty streamlined so but you were also experiencing a lot before too and you had shared those things yes you had the faucet that would go off okay so I'll just like so as context uh I moved into a house built in 7 67 in Marblehead which is a very haunted little place and the previous

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owners had told us that there were some hauntings the two things that she had told us was that occasionally you'll see something out of the corner of your eye and then there's one faucet that will turn off or on randomly and they had a plumber come and look at the pipes and there was nothing wrong with it they're like we can't explain it I have experienced a couple of things and most of it has been Electronics turning on doing weird things mhm and then it was aggravated after talking about the SML possession yay shout out to the smls and then we find pennies everywhere are they facing up like heads up or it different they're different but they are in the most random places like there was in closet no I have zero pennies right there was one in a closet live in an Apple pay era yeah there's some in the garden and then I found one in a purse and then there was another on the bathroom counter what the heck but I was talking about this on campfire stories and everyone said it's really positive

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and that's like a almost a gift from the spirits and I have always felt positive energy from the house except for the basement oh wait before you go to the basement can I pitch something to you sure the ghosts are giving you pennies as a gift pennies are shiny can you give that as a gift to your neighborhood crows and ravens and then maybe oh and then the crows and ravens will give it back as a gift and the ghost will take it and then you create this little like little cycle I mean maybe I haven't seen any crows and ravens though well maybe if you put a shiny penny outside maybe they'll come flocking uh our house is the pigeon house because of Aunt Polly there's a actually there's a lot of pigeon stuff that's been happening so what in one of the articles that I found about the history of the house there was a woman named Polly who lived on the second floor and they called her Aunt Polly cuz I think she was the aunt of the owner of the house at this time there were six different families living in the house and she lived on the second floor with hundreds of pigeons that she raised and then sold that is so cool and

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occasionally well we have pigeons around the house all the time but when we first moved in these two pigeons kept sitting on the window box looking into the living room and it was weird we were like that's weird that these birds keep coming didn't really think much of it and then I was coming home one day and we have a camera at the back door and I was just picking up packages minding my own business and all of a sudden and I have a video of it these two pigeons just fly over my head like they were making a nest in the corner of the back door a and sweet little pigeon Nest they're so sad I know and twigs these pigeons just hang out in the backyard and like are always there and I say hi to them and welcome them to the house I need a pigeon expert to weigh in because I'm I'm wondering if pigeons have this sort of memory that's passed down I think they well I don't know about memory but I mean carrier pigeons like people use them to deliver things so I

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think they have like some type of connection to a place the ancestors pigeons were they Pie's pigeons right or is poie still a p spectral form oh or Shear a pig okay many options so many options when it comes to the Paranormal or is poly a pigeon okay that would be a great reincarnation yeah that would I mean it seems like something that she would want yeah you got to start feeding the pigeons I do wait what let's train them and then let's send message screw text messages you'll actually answer to my carrier pigeon 100% I won I'll proba get them as fast as I get text responses because you live so close faster you will get them so much faster oh my gosh I want to try all the free time we have to train the pigeons I'll I'll say right now we probably won't do that but if we do you'll be sure to hear you'll be the first to know and then the basement you said oh the basement okay so I've talked about Chris on campfire stories and also

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I think on one of the live streams I've done I will link all of Chris's information and Instagram because Christ's readings and Also Chris's an artist who made me that really cool did I show you this no she made me this like beautiful little alter frame yeah what the he we should have her make one for here yeah we should yeah gosh that's sick but I walked into to the store in Salem and got a reading randomly with Chris and everything was spoton to the point where I texted Chris afterwards and I was like hey will you come do a reading of my house cuz we had just moved in and so Chris came over in the afternoon and was just reading the energy of the house and of me and of pain and just like seeing what was up we were sitting outside doing this so she hadn't even walked through the house and she goes were you in the backyard by the body Mound we were in the backyard kind of by the body Mound and and Chris goes your house has really really good energy

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and she's like sometimes it feels a little bit more masculine but then I feel like you are bringing a much more feminine energy into the house and I have been connecting very much with my mother's side and my ancestry on that side and I have photos of them like in the house and I really call upon them and she goes there's just one weird energy that I'm getting and it feels like it's coming from like a rocky Corner in your basement my basement is not finished but they did like concrete on the floors and then you can see the exposed rock in certain areas there's one corner that you see the exposed rock of the foundation of the house cuz the house is literally built into rock and I will say prior to Chris even saying this that corner has always given me the heie gbes sure enough we go down towards the basement after she said this and she was like this is the corner and it's some weird energy and she she's like it's not

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negative but there's something weird and that's so wild too how specific it was to the actual layout of the yeah and prior to Chris and like right when we had first moved in that corner is like right below the back door mudroom and like entryway I had hung dried baby's breath at that back door every time I would come back there it would be ripped off of where I had hung it and on the ground every time and I was like that's so weird and it happened like six times M then I hung my little like witch's broom or broom by the door and it stopped falling interesting yeah so I was like is there something that's in the basement that doesn't like that energy being brought here anyway so then as Chris is doing the reading of the whole house she said there's one room actually the guest room so if you're guest at our house it has the best energy in the house well that's good and all of my stuff that I brought with me from LA and Santa Monica which makes me

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think that oh you're your like my healing era yeah stuff that I bought has kept its good positive energy and has brought that when you lived on the commune mhm the compound the courtyard the courtyard and then the room that is above the Rocks has like a weird energy and you can even feel temperature difference really yeah so we did a little like protective stuff in that area so chriso are reading that's kind of like the biggest takeaway it was like that one weird energy but otherwise everything's positive so while you on maternity leave I was like I'm going to talk to the dead I'm going to embrace this I'm going to open my third eye I'm going to get in touch with my psychic abilities get in touch with my ancestors yada yada y i do one live stream from the basement it was middle of the day I set up like candles down there it's dark down there you can watch the live stream we'll link in the YouTube video here but I spend like the first 10 minutes just

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talking about the basement about the house talking about what Chris said and I'm sitting with that corner with the rock behind me yeah and I kept saying like right behind me like I was like maybe I shouldn't sit with my back to it but I was like whatever I'd actually rather not look into that corner cuz I don't want to acknowledge it so I set all of that up and then I turn on ghost tube which is an app we use and have used at the Lizzy Porton house at the SK Pierce house and in live streams that we've done and it has always been so accurate yeah and the second I turn it on you want what the first thing it said was behind you which it's like is that something saying I'm behind you or is that something else warning you that there's something behind you based on the conversations that followed it made me think it was the thing that is behind me and it was like yeah you were just talking about me and I am here oh my God Sabrina have you gone back down there since not to like speak to the dead oh okay you're not there every night at

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midnight no God no after that I was cuz also as that was ending it was basically every time I've done a live stream as I'm ending the spirits are like please leave that's wild so I'm like I hear you I'm going to leave it's like when we were at the Lizzy boardon house and they were like all right time to go and they like turned on all the lights in the house leave once we were like okay we're leaving yeah and then the last thing I'll say and this again reaffirms my belief in ghost tube I had it on during campfire stories one night cuz I was just like you know I'll have it on as I was talking about the pennies and finding stuff in the house and it kept saying Nathaniel And I was like who's Nathaniel anyone have a relative named Nathaniel and then the next day I'm in the shower and it Epiphany like light bulb moment the house is literally built for a Nathaniel his name is on the plaque outside of the house oh I just got so many chills yeah this is the most magical thing about having a house that's that old and knowing the history

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of it too cuz you did a whole episode too where you like looked at into all the history of your house yeah holy yeah everybody's coming out and saying hi everyone's coming out there is one weird thing that one of the beams in the living room has almost as if someone was counting down the days it has like tallies has eight tallies scratched into the beams oh and then the only thing could think of is I mean read the writing on the wall comes from people used to write on the wall and I think it comes from specifically construction I might be wrong about that but people used to write notes on like when you're building a house they would write like little things on the wood boards yeah so I was like maybe it's that but it's on a ceiling I don't really know I mean it's worth an email to I think it's the Salem Historical Society there's this one guy that works there he's also on Farmhouse fix all the time cuz he goes in and he knows all the history of like the things that they used to do and he's looked at wood carvings and markings that have been odd in various homes that they've worked in yeah it's maybe worth just

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sending an email and being like this of any significance or is this some random is it common place that people did this yeah I don't know interesting anyway so we'll stay tuned on that but otherwise it's really just been electrical things like the TV turning on by itself and all of a sudden being at full volume while I'm alone and it scares me but otherwise I felt very positive energy I've also our listener and I'm sorry I'm blanking on your name I have the note with the pendulum but Daniel is the spirit attached to that pendulum remember a listener sentence a haunted pendulum Daniel and I are best friends I love Daniel so much I've been using the pendulum every time I do any communication with the spirits and I feel like Daniel has Sven energy to me where it's like this like playful spirit who's on our side but teases us you know a little bit you just made me have an idea and I feel like we should each we should get little stands for our pendulums and every time we record you can bring Daniel and your pendulum with

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you and we'll just hang each of our pendulums behind us and so that they can communicate if they need to I love that okay we'll figure it out I also learned that apparently putting your hand your other hand underneath the pendulum helps with like energy oh especially your energy yeah to kind of ground it yeah but interesting to like that's a great idea let's do it I'm order after this we'll order pendulum stands and we'll put them up perfect but I think that's most of my huntings they've been pretty small dang I don't think that's very small at all I guess casually chatting with the dead yeah casually chatting with the dead you're literally communicating with them yeah it's beyond just like oh there's a faucet that turns on like there's communication there's words there's other people involved coming and telling you I guess I kind of had the same thing with the neighbor being like Oh yeah you live new right but you're not actively trying to communicate with the dead I am M and now I'm making you here's the lesson of paranormal it doesn't matter if you try to engage with them or not it

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will find you if it wants to if it wants to and it does find a lot of you and a lot of us and we are somewhat most of the times grateful for it yes and we're grateful for all of you and if you have any hauntings that you would like to share with us please email them to us at two girl1 podcast gmail.com and join us on patreon for campfire stories which is live every Tuesday night you can come share your ghost stories with us live we also have episodes ad free in one week early on patreon and we do bonus episodes every month so many cool things over there book club so head on over check it out and we'll see you here twice a week otherwise thank you to our editor Jamie for editing and producing this podcast we are so grateful for you and we're so grateful for all of you and we will see you on the other side very spooky