The Bottomless Hole of Mel Waters | A Paranormal Mystery (Ep 248)

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very spooky hey hey what's up on the RO still in the recording space from somewhere in Phoenix yeah we're in some hotel in Phoenix checking into another one in a minute yep we have one show left I know that's crazy it's so crazy back to reality you've been seeing a lot of Shadows at venues lately yeah the past two days I've seen in Phoenix and then in Vegas yeah in Phoenix I saw like a small Shadow I almost like At first I thought it was like an animal cuz it was like really low to the ground and small it was like I don't know were both of them Rel

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no oh that one was small and that one like moved in The Green Room through the bathroom like I saw it come from the light into the dark but that's all that happened there and then in Las Vegas we were at a brand new venue it opened nine weeks prior mhm and so they were like no there's certainly nothing here there are no ghosts and as we were setting up the stage like back in the kind of farthest tables but like a little bit more centered I saw what seemed like a shadow of someone so I thought it was a worker and I like looked up and there were no employees there so I was like huh maybe my mind is just playing tricks on me but then we had so much activity happen in both those shows so the ghosts are active they're like finally you're wrapping up and the stage can be ours yeah it's pretty wild how frequently the equipment has been going off at shows yeah You' think we'd get lucky with like maybe two venues out of all 34 shows but honestly I think it's been like more than half yeah more than like three quarters of the shows you think I think

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so cuz there's only like four or five there it was really quiet yeah where it was dead silent we had a little bit of a run after the alcatra where it was like very very quiet the ghosts are like why did you bring us to Alcatraz we're mad at you we're mad but now they're back and we love them we do we're also going to do a whole episode where we talk about our encounters from tour and just answer questions about tour and then we're going to read emails from people who experienced hauntings on tour mhm cuz there are there's a lot most podcast in America strikes again yeah it's our claim to fame and we're we're living up to the expectation yeah that we gave ourselves the name that we gave ourselves exactly has been true it has proven true we should introduce ourselves oh this is two girls one ghost two girls one ghost that is Karen hello and I am Sabrina and we're so excited to be here to tell you another spooky tail and talk about our lives and our hauntings I'm like I don't even have what's an update day I don't know we've

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been on the road for 2 months I'm like not even certain what's happened in life I have one what I haven't showed people my My Tattoos oh I got two tattoos after our Halloween show and I'll show them to everyone approach the camera approach the bench approach the bench so I got a little ghosty and then the top at the bottom is a hot's SAU and then above it is the sister tattoo you got your sister previously but the sister tattoo is is ephemeral which means they use a different ink and it's a tattoo that is supposed to go away after a couple years I've had it for a year when I got it they were like it will dissolve and go away in one year and then in the year I've had it they've changed it to it will go away in two years and then they've changed it again into it will go away in three years so I might have it forever and I'm okay with that right and the guy that did your new tattoo said if it does go away it's never really away cuz it's just going to be like scar TI Scar Tissue yeah so it'll just it'll

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always be there it's like a prison tattoo that's the same thing as a tattoo in my mind they're different oh I should shout out the guy Justin who did my tattoo in Atlanta he works at black cat tattoo which is just perfect and he can come to you if you would like which he did you didn't go into the studio he came to us to us we went to pay Lindsay's office and got tattoos after the show did not I was dressed as a blue man I needed to go shower and attempt to scrub that blue off okay on Instagram he is Cham chowder c h a m c h o wde r he works at Black Cat Atlanta his name is Justin and he's great also shout out at CB live shout out to Katie because Katie listens but we didn't know that and we didn't figure it out until we saw and we saw all the signature drinks and we're like someone here must listen because these are so specific to our show and then we found

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out it was Katie yeah who sorry Katie that we didn't order anything like fun we were working back like our time before going on stage is when we work yeah so we were we were like doing podcast you were listening to the episode I Wasing scheduling an episode I did order a cheesecake to go and that was delicious I ate it in bed yeah it's your signature move it is the midnight snacker mhm that's me that's you on the 7 a.m. snacker yeah you start at like you start eating at like 2: p.m. and then you end as we get bed and I rise from bed and I'm like food so we're on opposite schedules yeah oh okay Justin was telling me when we were getting our tattoos well when I was getting my tattoo that black cat tattoo at in Atlanta a bunch of the people that Justin works with they are like super into the occult and paranormal stuff but like almost in a scary way that he was like they do seances at our tattoo

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parlor so that place has got to be really haunted it's got to be creepy and he was like I have to leave like I I can't on Halloween he was like it's good that we're not doing it in the tattoo place because they are literally doing a full-on ritual right now I would [ __ ] myself yeah and meanwhile we were just like listening to like Creed and getting tattoos it reminds me of Salem you know how like in Salem during Haunted Happenings which is basically like the website that tells you all the events that are going on in Salem they always have seanes like group seanes that you can be a part of the only Seance I want to be part of is sacrificing cheesecake to my stomach to the stomach God within yum what has been your favorite snack that you've had oh my gosh Domino's has been a great treat we've gotten it twice that mac and cheese from flower child in Charlotte and there's one in Phoenix mhm do we order it that

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was it was delicious so good cuz you don't get to have mac and cheese often and it was a gluten-free option and it was delicious it was so good was there like truffle or something in it it was whatever it was it was freaking Great Divine that was my favorite I'm trying to think what else we've eaten a lot of crap oh so much crap G we like crazy I can't fit into some of my t-shirts I brought I was like what happened I thought I bought an Exel and it's like I look like I'm I look like a little baby who's like being stuffed into six-month old clothing and they're 12 months old I'm like Michelin man I was like did this shrink no I got bigger very quickly I can I can barely breathe my underwear doesn't fit and that's what six weeks of eating dominoes does yeah it has been really hard to eat healthy on the road I really miss my Satan yeah you've been missing your little Satan sausages I miss my sausages I miss salad yeah what say that those words my brain has forgotten that word lettuce lettuce

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broccoli oh I love broccoli we met someone at one of the venues and he was really impressed with how many shows we were doing and he does stand up himself and he was like how do you guys stay healthy while you're in tour and we're like we don't that's the answer we just don't it's hard it's difficult I've worked out maybe you've worked out a lot yeah but I feel like not in comparon normal yeah I'm not working out every day yeah anyway stay tuned for a full recap of tour coming up in a couple weeks yes yes how Wild okay well I have brought a mystery to us for this episode or maybe more of a conspiracy theory if you will I wish we had tinf foil hats we could put on let's call the front desk quick we need a roll of Tino roll of tinfoil bring it up no this is this is a mystery SL conspiracy okay on February 21st 1997 there was a man named Mel Waiters or Waters who called into art

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Bell's radio show Coast to Coast a.m. he was calling in from Washington State his home was about 9 miles from Ellensburg in a very rural area near manastash Ridge I probably pronounced most of that wrong okay so Mel was very concerned about his land and this is why he was calling in because he had discovered this giant hole on his land the hole did not appear to be a sinkhole it was not a cave or a pond it was empty it was dark it was vast nine feet in diameter and an unknown depth just a hole a hole a gaping hole nothing in it well there would be a lot in it but nothing that they could bring out of it but they would put things in also I really want to do something real quick so you got an idea I have an idea oh my God this is like a sleepover in 2007 and we're like making videos on iMovie or photo booth sorry it was was the only thing I could think about after

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talking about tinfoil hats and so I needed to do it or I would not be paying attention Okay now it's done now I'm back okay gaping hole okay so Mel was very concerned about this gaping hole the hole went straight down and an attempt to measure how deep it was Mel had taken some fishing line and he tied a weight to it he lowered the line down into the hole and when he got to the end of the line which he had I think attached multiple lines together it had still not touched the bottom the fishing line was 80,000 ft I don't even know how long that took him to lower it sh yeah but it still wouldn't reach the bottom and this came out of nowhere like he he woke up one day and all of a sudden a hole was there no okay but he bought the property and the hole was there gotcha so he was new to the property is yes okay okay not at the time that he was calling but like it had been a concern for long enough that he thought he'd call into it didn't just appear last night and he was calling our what I was that wasn't his first step okay great there was a lot of other stuff and it got he was trying things out the

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community was involved and that's when he called arell okay after all of that got it so the fishing line and the waited waiter at the bottom he used ropes with cameras attached to them he lowered sound equipment down into the tunnel and he still could not find anything significant nothing would explain this NeverEnding hole and the hole seemed terrifying to most of the people it was just sitting there was gaping open swallowing anything or anyone who would slip in CU it was never ending right but this hole had a lot more to offer because it also had some magical properties so Mel was not the first person to learn of this hole maybe he was the first to measure it or attempt to measure it but for years the hole had been used by locals to dump their trash so people would bring old appliances car parts roadkill their beloved pets I was going to say I feel like there's some dead bodies down there for sure that's why you were like it's empty I was like it's certainly not empty there's stuff in there there's things down there we just can't retrieve

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them oh jeez so Mel also used it as a dump it was on his property how convenient but he and all these people they started to wonder about this hole and then they realized after many many years it never seemed to fill so no matter how much was being dumped by the entire town this 9 foot in diameter hole never seemed to fill up so Mel's neighbor came over with his beloved dog that had passed away uhhm and he was hoping to lower his dog into the hole to have this be his final resting spot the dog's remains were gently lowered into the darkness and at some point the Rope was released leaving the dog's body to fall to unknown depths yeah I was going to ask how do you gently lower something in there if you don't know where the depths are but you lower it enough gently until you can't see it yeah until your heart feels okay to release it okay but sometime after that people began catching glimpses of this dog it's pet cemetery it's a pet cemetery basically holy [ __ ] literally holy [ __ ] yeah the

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dog was there it was alive it was wandering around the town and in the woods and the owner himself he saw the dog and was like calling out to his dog but he got no response the dog would not come it was very skittish and eventually sightings of the dog grew less and less frequent until people no longer saw it at all but it had somehow come up out of that hole alive so could it be that this hole was not a whole some type of portal some type of magical healing space or some weird pet cemetery [ __ ] going healing or terrifying because pet cemetery is uh Twisted creepy so if that's the case Mel definitely wanted to figure out what this hole was and how to harness it it was on his land and so he needed to figure out what these properties were and how to go about using the hole as soon as he gained the attention of the neighboring town so like the people in his neighborhood all knew about the hole but soon rumors started to spread and

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the hole was no longer just a dumping hole it was something much more and all of the neighboring towns and the state everybody eventually in America would learn about this hole because of Mel's appearance on Coast to Coast AM everyone was curious about Mel's hole paranormal researchers regular towns people Skeptics people wanted to know about this mysterious and magical hole like what is this thing I don't know why but the more times you say hole the more like Disturbed I get I want to see in your hole the gaping hole we all love Mel's big gaping black hole and people really wanted to know if Mel's hole was true too cuz I mean the neighbor said they saw it Mel said he saw it it was on private property it's not like this public display that people could pay five bucks and go see Mel's hole you know yeah maybe in some weird gas stations you might see that message you don't get warning though that just appears no okay so people wanted to know if it was

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true and word spread around Mel's story of his backyard hole was questioned as well because they're Skeptics people aren't really like fully believing him was Mel telling the truth is this just a prank why can't we visit the hole all of these questions were good to ask why can't we touch the hole yeah put things into the hole yeah why is this a special hole only for a few people why can't everyone have access to this hole let's share the hole let's all gather around the hole and welcome to two girl one go so the mystery of Mel's hole only grew when Mel himself was visited by US federal agents and as Mel was heading to the hole one day a man in a suit approached him and said hey this area is now closed off because there was a plane crash BS and Mel looked on and he saw no evidence of a plane crash and also no one in the town heard or saw plane crash and it's his property right but he did spot a few people in biohazard suits standing not far from the suited man who

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like approached him and stopped him from coming forward soon after the government offered him a sizable amount of money to vacate the land essentially seizing it from M like renting it but like he doesn't have permission like a normal landlord to even come onto the land anymore this is like stranger things it is and the excuse was plane crash plane crash makes the government pay you a [ __ ] ton of money to never come back to your land how convenient that the plane crashed right next to the hole I know it into the hole that's why they couldn't see it yep okay feel like you were going somewhere disturbing I know I'm stopping myself okay okay so Mel wasn't allowed to go back on the land so he and his wife they took the money and they moved to Australia but losing access to this land didn't stop Mel or the neighbors from speaking about the hole yeah Mel Waters called into Coast to Coast AM four times in total discussing this hole with artbell and years later after moving to Australia and very strong urging and messaging from the government for Mel to never return Mel Waters did

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return [ __ ] yeah Mel he went back to Washington but before he could get to his town he was on this bus heading from the airport to the Town police officers got on the bus and they removed him what he has no memory of what happened next but he became conscious two weeks later he was on the Streets of San Francisco missing a few teeth there were marks on his arm that appeared to be IV marks and so he basically thought like he must have been drugged or something significantly and dumped in a whole another state yes what the [ __ ] oh my gosh I know this didn't deter him though he's like I'm still getting back to my town yeah I would be like I want to go even more because of how they clearly are trying to keep me from something right yeah and how scary to like Miss all that time too the police take you and then like when did you even lose Consciousness too like what is your brain blocking out for you to not remember versus makes me so sad it is very sad and it's his land yeah they're

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leasing it but also not letting him on it or did they take it fully cuz they could have given him money and then been like this is not ours no it said that they were like owned it leasing it from him I think yeah I don't know leasing it but he wasn't allowed back on and they gave him a ton of money to vacate for them to like rent it indefinitely interesting so he eventually made it back to his town but he felt like he was being stalked the entire time being watched and he couldn't get back to his land because it had been taken over by the government and it was fully blocked off so you can just like walk in and wander through the trees and get there could you imagine being a kid growing up in that town like the local Legends of M hole the dares of trying to get to yeah yeah so curiously others had claimed that when they were there dumping trash and whatnot into the hole if they had portable radios on them the radios would begin to play only they weren't playing the modern radio they were emitting

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broadcasts from the past what and so now all of these people are coming forward and there's all these rumors circulating now that people can't get into the hole and this is what's coming out a few of his neighbors also witnessed a dark blacker than black beam shoot up and out of the hole like a flashlight but it was in daylight so it was like part of the sky just went completely obsidian black I'm obsessed with this okay keep going I like need to know everything about it when metal was brought close to the opening of the hole it would change form melting and shifting into other types of metal creating new properties Mel wanted to experiment with this a little bit so like when he before the government had taken it when he was experimenting with this hole he took many different substances and he lowered them into the hole and he placed a bucket of ice into the hole lowered it 1,500 ft then lifted

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it back out and the ice was very warm but it wasn't melted it was like hot Frozen ice that also was now flammable what the heck I don't know this is a crazy and it also seems like I mean just the way that you're explaining it it makes it seem like it became more powerful over time and like almost like the more things it collected the more energy it got right and this is obviously why the government was like holy [ __ ] let's yeah freaking take this over something weird happening that is so wild yeah and it's all because he made the call to like I wonder if they would have ever figured it out if he hadn't made the call to Coast to Coast right but I mean like he doesn't have access to the hole anymore but he's still calling into ell's show and he's telling talking about it talking about it and telling about the experiments that he did do when he did have access to it right so sadly as Mel's curiosity peaked and his experiments left him more dumbfounded than when he began Mel's experiments became a bit more extreme oh he lowered a live sheep into the hole

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dropping at the same distance down as the bucket of ice 1500 ft the Sheep was terrified Mel's own dogs would not come within 100 feet of the hole and birds and other Wildlife they would never sit on the metal grate that he had placed Over the Hole to like keep people and things from falling into it yet this poor sheep was not able to get away the Sheep was kicking and screaming and crying the whole way down and then suddenly it went completely silent oh no and now trigger warning skip ahead if you don't want to hear about this animal death when the Sheep was brought back up to the surface it had cooked it was cooked alive but there was also a large lump on its side and Mel looked on in horror as his lump began to move so he grabbed his knife and he cut this open and a creature was inside its eyes were wide blinking at him and then it leapt into the hole like just flung itself back down into the dark never ending

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hole a creature a creature it's like the movie Alien and not long after neighbors sheep herders Hunters a ton of people in the area would claim to see this very creature wandering around though they felt like it was giving off benevolent energy so it was just kind of there they weren't really scared of it but it was seen I mean it does sound like it wanted to be back in the hole like it it was never meant to come out it can climb the hole but I guess maybe once it did get out it was curious enough that it did return to the surface so after encountering this creature Mel's cancer suddenly and miraculously disappeared what he was just cancer completely gone cuz I was going to say it feels like there's a lot of radiation down there yeah you would think it would be hurting people more than anything but it did bring a dead dog back to life yeah it's true I guess Mel was like was this the creature that did this was this the healing properties of the whole like what sort of encounter or what out of numerous cured my cancer jez so

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whatever it was Mel credits the whole with his recovery and in another experiment Mel yelled into this hole there was no Echo it simply absorbed all of the sound when they dropped large pieces of trash like refrigerators into the pit there was no sound yet other people have heard strange sounds and noises and screams emanating from the depths of the hole and that these noises sound otherworldly so is this wild this is wild I've never heard of this because it's kind of like a it's like Legend lore conspiracy theory or the truth like it's a mystery cuz also a lot of this is reports of what Mel did prior to losing the hole right and probably not much evidence to confirm what he experienced I mean it was the late 90s too so he probably wasn't really thinking too much about like content you know like he's not tick tocking no the guy doesn't even have a

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cell phone yet so he was not filming these things I I could guarantee that yeah okay so conspiracy theories surrounding mels hole have gone from this being an entry point to a massive underground cave system to a natural formation with such unique properties that it defies conventional scientific understanding and will rewrite geology physics and chemistry as we know it to a government experiment gone wrong with a hidden facility under the surface to a portal between the alien world and ours I would love to like do a scraping like a biopsy of the internal organs of the hole to understand like what it is to like lower something 15,000 ft and just like drag it up the side scrap the sides yeah I think it was I'm pretty sure I wrote it in here somewhere so we might get to it but I think it was like brick for as far as they could see or like stone or something brick would be like is this manmade but if it's Stone yeah okay we'll we'll get there because I can't quite remember okay so it would make

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sense if any of this were true that the government or a government agency would want to kick the locals out and not have access to this thing because the locals were primarily just dumping trash in it imagine aliens just like opening up a portal and being like finally like the humans will figure out and like raise their Consciousness level and we're just like great I'll put my old refrigerator in here dump my trash dump my trash jeeez and they also probably would not want someone like Mel advertising this hole to the masses too bad because even when they took the hole he still was calling into Coast to Coast AM you can't silence him yeah so people began to look into Mel and his story was Mel telling the truth was Mel who he said he was and in conversations with arbell he mentioned his wife taught at CWU Central Washington University and with the name of the town that he lived near knowledge of his wife's job and knowledge that he generally owned about 9 acres of land or

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so in this rural area this proximity people looked into town and property records but they could find no evidence of a man named Mel Waters living in the area oh really so some people thought done this is proof debunked but others disagreed because if the land was meant to be kept a secret how easy could it be for Mel's information to be scrubbed from the records this is also the 9s too so it's not like you're easily finding things on the internet you have to like go in person and do some research yeah and I mean I think there's different agencies out there that are very powerful in changing people's identities or scrubbing information and clearly if they made him forget two weeks of life like yeah they they that ability to do a lot that's again like it still is in the conspiracy thing where it's like would we as the public definitely have access to M's information no matter what or could this have been altered and changed and blocked out from any Public's

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knowledge because of who Now controls the land right and rumor has it this area is also blurred out on Google Earth you can't get close enough have you tried to look no well we don't have the exact like town or anything well didn't you say the town I said where it's near okay well I'm going to look overs the entire the way I assumed it would be is like not from far out I feel like it's probably one of those things where you know certain places you can't zoom in fully without it getting really grainy okay how much time do we have not enough for this okay this is what I'll do sitting by the pool today okay so Mel also went on to claim that he found another hole quite similar to this in the Badlands of Nevada while the Washington State hole had brick lining the hole okay so it was brick he said as far as they could see with the camera and everything it was brick that's so wild which is weird yeah he said this one had metal coding the whole thing so people are like okay what are the

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chances that the same guy finds both of these holes like that's suspicious that's weird or is it like Mel was meant to find the holes exactly that's like the counter argument basically it's like is this just him kind of making up things or maybe he truly believes it himself but it's all it's all existing in his world only but he has neighbors and stuff that have confirmed things true okay it's hard cuz there's like group hallucinations there's people that want to just be in on things even with like True Crime cases the stuff comes up all the time so right I'm fully in on the Melo whole conspiracy like I don't even know everything but like no matter what anyone says I'm going to be like okay but you could also say this yeah and I want to believe Mel seems pretty wild and wacky and cool and scary mels hole is my new home that's that's what I want I live in M hole okay so obviously more people were questioning Mel especially after he came out saying that he found a second hole but I will say

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this I only read one article that said that he had found a second hole so I don't know if that part is factual gotcha okay but there was a group of people who claimed to hear a voice coming out of the hole and that voice was Mel's voice Mel's haunting the hole Mel's haunting the hole could something be calling to Mel could it be connected to these portals people just have no idea why or how or what if Mel was like talking into one of the holes and it came out of this hole oh waa that's crazy like they're connected it's like a walkie-talkie situation right so they don't know how Mel's voice is just existing and coming out of this hole sometimes I'm just picturing like old Greg living at the bottom of these holes what you doing in my Waters so Seattle's KO m o Como TV station found someone who claimed to continue to visit this hole like actually sneak through and and gain access long after Mel and his wife had

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moved away and the government supposedly seized the land this was a man named Gerald R Osborn an intertribal medicine man whose ceremonial name is red elk and he said that his father had brought him to this Hall back in 1961 and told him that this was a bottomless hole and since then this man Gerald or Red Elk he has returned many more times in 2012 he said that this area was certainly being used by the US government as a top secret base for this area had a ton of alien activity that he had witnessed over the decades Gerald Red Elk is not the only one who's claimed to venture into this hole after Mel's departure either many people say that they know where the hole is and they visit the hole yet when it's up to them to lead a group to the hole it can never be found it's kind of like um Superstition M yeah like the hidden treasure yeah only those who are meant to see can see which which is also fascinating cuz that makes me think that despite the government having

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this like lockdown and quarantined it doesn't matter because the people who are called to it and allowed to go visit it are going to be able to like in a secret yeah they're given a path to go there yeah a geologist named Jack Powell who had worked as an exploratory geologist taught geology at CWU for 11 years and he worked with the Department of Natural Resources for over 20 years he believes that this story is entirely a myth so he's one of the experts that people have like interviewed and stuff when they cover Mel's hole he says that he thinks it was inspired by the many mine shafts left abandoned around Washington State some a few hundred feet deep Jack Powell explained that the deepest M shaft in the world is 12,672 Ft deep that's so deep that's so deep it's in South Africa the deepest known Cavern is 7 ,1 188 ft in Georgia the country and the deepest hole ever

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drilled was by the Russians in 1989 going 4,230 ft deep how deep is the core of the earth I have no idea deep I need to figure out how deep cuz what's that movie is it called the core Journey to the Center of the Earth no I think it's called core oh I have no idea let's see the core yeah it's like a science fiction film and this like group people go down into the core I don't know I don't remember where it goes let's see how deep is the core okay it's about 1,82 miles below Earth's surface so deep very deep very deep okay so basically when he heard that Mal Waters had run out of fishing line at 880,000 FT he was like I know that this is fraud like that that's impossible no person has ever done this yeah it sounds like this guy just is stating why it would be impossible for it to exist but in my

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mind it's not a Earthly creation it's like an impossible yeah thing even if it was an Earthly creation like we haven't seen everything if someone was like I found a 100,000 foot Cavern you'd be like no actually the only deepest naturally occurring one is a little over 7,000 ft that's just cuz that's the one you you've seen right right that's the one you've discovered like this clearly not man-made to me no yeah no okay so he thought that this was basically a local M shaft that Mel had encountered and this inspired his whole story and he just kind of like ran with it and that he thought these stories were just being increasingly exaggerated as they were retold people were getting into it you know people were lying or in on the joke or whatever right also he said it would be impossible because a whole that deep would collapse into itself under the tremendous pressure and heat from the surrounding strata okay so it's impossible for a whole to just exist on

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Earth like that according to a scientist what does he know I almost said that guy but then I was like wait he has way more credentials but that would be a regular hole like you said but we're forgetting sometimes that this is a magical hole like you said it's it's not of or or maybe it is of Earth but it's there's something else magical that we don't understand about it yeah a portal of sorts a entry point for extraterrestrials we don't know mhm but for those who wander through the woods to find this hole the presence of Dark Shadows amongst the woods and the feeling of being watched often accompany them on the journey are these Spirits are these signs that this Enigma of a hole a paranormal portal is near or is the government watching them I was just going to say is it the government guarding Mel's hole forever and so the mystery remains I so badly want to find Mel hole like I've never wanted like the way that you feel about

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wanting to see and find Bigfoot I think I feel that the same sentiment towards Mel's whole like it's wild the first time I ever heard of this I was like what in the world is this place I've had it on my list for a couple years I'm so curious too of like CU it seems like a lot of the narrative is told from Mel is Mel still around do we know where he is uh I have no idea okay well let's go find Mel and interview that that would be such a cool interview yeah I think when he called into artbell I'm I don't remember but I think it was something within like four years of his original so it wasn't it's not been something that he's continued to do interviews for yeah I mean after losing two weeks and being kicked out like I feel like I would just slow down it sounds like a lot of Neighbors in that town and a lot of people had encounters and experiences like it sounds like we've never heard from them like i' would be curious to hear from other people and their experiences and if anyone lives here that listens to this podcast and knows

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anything about like the legend the lore like what do the locals say yeah I need to know what have you grown up hearing about this cuz is this just really fun lore or is it is real we need our tin hats I'm truly going to spend some time looking at the maps looking at the maps cuz it's supposedly blurred out yeah that's also like a cool I feel like we've talked about this before doing like an episode on blurred out places on the maps yeah we've talked about a Google Earth one all the like weird things on Google Earth we should bring that idea back yeah if you have ever seen something weird on Google Earth please send it to us and we'll do some research I also feel like the mels hole one would be hard because who knows if the whole area is blocked out or if it's just like two pixels of the actual hole right cuz would you notice that I imagine it's got to be the whole area I don't know but then it's almost more obvious because Area 51 if you look at it on maps is like really blocked out is it yeah but also here's the other thing here's another conspiracy theory in me

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or like my distrust of everybody everyone yeah it could be not blocked out but not an actual representation of what's there oh like they put something else there yeah that's true they can manipulate whatever they want they're the government welcome to America Welcome To Earth Tru Welcome To Earth yeah man and like is it even the government it could be some other agency that like they just assumed was the government but it was what if it was just the Men in Black it's like the government thinks they're in control but there's actually another agency above us controlling everything cuz this is the Sims right my brain like could not process in the airport the other day when I was about to throw out my water bottle in the trash can and I thought to myself in that exact moment I really wish that there was like a thing that you could dump all of your water into before you put it into the recycling because it seems like such a waste and I turn around and there's this man like waving and kind of going like wait wait wait and he's carting over a thing for

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me to pour my water into yeah and I was like what in the simulation is going on right now you liter created it yeah yeah it felt like that in the moment it is so bizarre I can't spend too much time thinking about it because then I get like the amount of conspiracies I can create in thinking about what is life and is this a simulation are endless like as you're talking about this I was like what if the government created them effect like if the Govern not even the government like it's just this other entity or like energy force that's we associate it as being like anything that's taken from us we assume it's the government but what if it's not it's just something completely out of control and we right if Men In Black because yeah I mean literally we the amount the very little that we know is bizarre like we don't know anything it's so weird because part of me is like I want to know everything but the other part of me is like maybe in this life I'm just supposed to like chill and have a good time and garden

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and just enjoy my time do I really need to be stressed about all that stuff and I can't control it that's why we create all these little hobbies and things because if we didn't have those we would spend far too much time thinking about the existential crisis of life and it would drive us all crazy yeah and what is life like for the people that actually know I want to know like who's the one person on earth that is closest to knowing everything like all of the secr never how is their life like are they okay I'm concerned for them well then that's the thing what was it there was one episode that we did where it was like the guy who he ended up running for president I think and he said that he was like a time traveler and he was like able to go back in time and like talk to George Washington and tell him to cross the Delaware River to like help win the war was this one you did I think so okay but like when you hear stories like that people then start to think that that person is crazy and what if actually all of that was true but no one else can

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understand it so they do seem we don't allow ourselves to be convinced of certain things because we don't really want to hear yeah yeah anyway that SMS whole and catch me wandering around Washington Washington actually tour is not done we're going to go to Washington for a month and walk around the woods yeah we'll look for Bigfoot and Mel's hole at the same time that's the perfect place to do it we'll find Bigfoot first and then ask Bigfoot where Mel's hole is Bigfoot will bring us there I feel like yeah Bigfoot would be around Ms hole Yeah it almost feels easier to find what Bigfoot and ask Bigfoot then to find Mel hole at this point great see you see you there changing my flight okay I have a story from listener this is from our listener C and it's called portal opener a te hi girls it's C like I previously mentioned I have so many encounters to share with you but this is not as much of a lengthy story compared to others but it deals with Shadow People I was nine when the first

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encounter occurred I was in my parents room and I was watching my newborn sister while my parents were in the living room watching TV the only light I had was the NightLight and everything else was Pitch Black I didn't realize I had fallen asleep until I opened my eyes and saw a figure standing over my sister's crib oh God over the crib I sat up but the figure placed a finger to their lips telling me to be be quiet how ominous and then they leaned down towards me I thought it was my mom that was checking on my sister so I laid back down and Clos my eyes but me being a kid I peaked but then I didn't see anyone there I looked towards the door to see if my mom was still walking towards it and no one was there nor did I hear the door open I walked out to see my parents still sitting comfortably on the couch and I asked my mom if she came into the room and checked on us she said she and my dad had not gotten up since I was nine I stayed in in the second largest room in my house which was literally the size of two bedrooms I

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slept on one side of the room where my right side of my bed is against the wall and facing the door the other side of the room was my vanity and my dressers one night when I was sleeping I woke up to my blanket moving on my headboard it wasn't slipping off it was being pushed inwards towards me it was still dark so I couldn't see much almost yeah but I'm like imagining it being pushed off her feet and up further oh like it's a weird I don't know it was still dark so I couldn't see much but I called out to my mom and asked what she was doing but there was no response as soon as I realized no one was there I stopped calling whatever it was and moved my back against the wall before praying I'm not sure how many days after but I was laying in bed falling asleep when I heard a pile of books that was on my vanity fall over and a couple of frames too I got so scared I hid under the covers and the S was so loud that my dad came into my room to check on me I said something fell over and pointed toward my vanity my dad checked and told me it was just my books then told me to go back to

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sleep since I had school the next day and it was getting late the book part reminds me of interstellar I'm like someone's in a portal like pushing things over trying to get your attention wow another encounter that happened when I was 15 or 16 was that I fell asleep with my door open and I woke up to a figure standing in my doorway it was dark and the hall lights were not on but I could still make out what looked like someone standing in my door again I called out to see if it was my mom and the Fig just stood there not saying a single word before turning and walking away from my door who are you figure I was too tired to do anything so I went back to sleep the next day I asked my mom if it was her but she said no that she didn't wake up in the middle of the night that time I'm not the only one who has seen these Shadow People my younger sister recently saw one she was standing looking in the mirror at the end of the hall and the mirror had a clear view of the front living room she said that while she was looking in the mirror she saw something cross the front living room room my parents tried to debunk it possibly being a shadow on the outside of the neighbor's curtain making it seem

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like something was there or that it was my dad who pass the front window but my sister said it didn't look the same as a person walking across it was something like a shadow my cousin used to live with us and we were in the kitchen talking late one night about our experiences in the house we were talking about seeing shadow people around the house and the encounters we faced during the trip to the motherland with our cousins mid conversation a Tabasco bottle on the dining table Falls over and the oven timer started beeping we both looked at each other picked up the bottle my cousin turned off the timer and we were like what was that we tried to debunk the reason why it fell over by pushing the table and literally moving it 2 feet the bottle never budged we thought the bottle was placed on top of something that made it lean over but nothing this is like your tattoos combined like hot sauce and a ghost ghost ghostly hot sauce a few weeks later my dad's sister came over and she talked about her paranormal experiences around the house when she was growing up

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she said when she was a teenager her and her cousins played with a Ouija board and they got so scared that they threw it away and it later reappeared that is a nightmare it's like that and leaving a doll like in the woods blindfolded or something and then finding you again those are top spooky for me yeah she says I'm not sure if she said buy or not after they threw it away but whatever it was she probably opened a portal for all of these occurrences to happen in our house I have no idea what happened to the Ouija board or if someone has it but my dad has also told me about my aunt doing Ouija board sessions and speaking in tongues thank you for listening I'm not sure if I have more stories to tell my mom also has a Ouija board story she told me and just a spooky family yeah everybody's playing with Ouija boards everyone once I remember them I will email them to you guys and give you and the viewers Goosebumps see you girls on

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the other side see wow I mean portals portals and like it feels like it's within the family it almost feels like you know Mel might have been the chosen one to find different holes hole Hunter hole Hunter but it is weird it's like everyone's encountering this Shadow everyone's tempted and Drawn to Ouija boards I am curious okay the Ouija board coming back is terrifying but ites seem like these Shadows are like maternal parental type of entities like they are continuously checking up on the kids that's true that's true like looking at the her younger sister in the crib checking on her and like looking at her from the doorway maybe they were just trying to read a book like pick out a book for a bedtime story to yeah and then it just accidentally fell and then they're oops and they like fall back and more things fall and they're like oh my God or or if C forgot to do their homework and the ghost is like come on

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you didn't do it it's a reminder a reminder yeah and then the hot sauce and the oven timer going off it's like well C and their cousin were talking about all of their encounters and it was almost like the ghost being like yep we're here making a sign yeah or there's just a very clumsy ghost who was like trying to be nosy and be like what are they saying about me constantly tripping falling things oh [ __ ] that would be me interesting well if you've uh opened a portal or found a hole in your backyard if you're a hole Hunter please email us your encounters to two girl1 GOP podcast gmail.com you can support us in a variety of ways rate and review us on iTunes or Spotify or wherever you listen tell everybody about us pyramid scheme Works we've seen it live in action at our at our live shows uh and you can also check out our website and follow us on social media to figure out what we're up to yeah we're up to a lot of things searching for Mel's hole and Bigfoot forget going home thank you for

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listening thank you to Jamie for producing and editing this episode thank you to Avery and our whole team we really appreciate all of you and thank you to all of you for listening and we will see on the other side very