HORRIFYING HAUNTED HOUSE | The Tallman House | An Unsolved Mysteries Lost Episode (Ep 352)

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Oh, there's evil.

Alan awoke to the sounds of chanting. He saw this like light glowing from within the bunk beds and then it turned into a fire. Lovely. What a wonderful place to live. This is the story of the Tallman house, aka the haunted bunk bed case.

Yeah.

Very spooky.

Hello. Good morning. Good morning. That looks nice. Thanks.

So pretty. So does yours. So pretty. [laughter]

Don't you dare compliment me.

Ah, this is two girls, one ghost.

Two girls, one ghost. And we have Sven here. If you're watching on video, Sven is accompanied by a new little friend in the studio. Mhm.

A menace. An elf on the shelf.

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Someone that I, you know, I almost would rather be around a haunted object than an elf on the shelf. I find them so incredibly creepy.

Well, isn't the whole thing we're kind of turning them into haunted objects because we're giving so much energy to the fact that they're moving. They're doing things. They're

being little trickster spirits.

I don't like it one bit.

I wouldn't be surprised if they haunted you.

Oh, this is Two Girls One Ghost.

Did we say that?

Mhm.

Yep. We did the whole thing.

Wow. It was just a reminder in case you forgot. If you forgot where you were, like her in this is two girls, one ghost.

Just [ __ ]

I was [laughter] like, weird. Just

What if like this was the moment that you realized I like crazy short-term memory? I hit my head last night.

You're Dory.

No, sorry. I'm just mentally not all [laughter] there.

Just just You're just

I'm just just And I do have a haunted

Tallman House

object story this week.

Oh, yes.

Yeah.

For a minute, I thought you meant like you had your own.

Oh, no. personally. No. But anyway, we're not talking about us today. We're

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talking about a family that was plagued by something horrifying. It's a haunting story of a family tormented in their own home. A case with dozens of witnesses. Dang. This is the story of the Tallman House in Horaccon, Wisconsin, aka the haunted bunk bed case. This sounds so familiar. I feel like this is definitely on like every single list of haunted objects or something. So, it is on a lot of lists, but it's also kind of a mystery because, and we'll get to that, but the family doesn't really talk about it, and they've turned down multiple offers, like big money offers for people to like cover their case and do more in depth about it. But the family,

which makes me feel like they were really scared because if you're like, I don't want to bring any more attention or energy to it and like no money could make me do that.

Yeah. I think also they just didn't want it to be everything that they were about. They're like, "We're just working working class. We're just

the opposite of us."

Very opposite. [laughter] We here at Two Girls One Ghost love to be about ghosts.

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Like, do you know anything else about us?

It's interesting cuz I've been spending a lot more time in like my creative space. And when I keep like wanting to write stories, I'm like, do I make a decision to write something that's paranormal? But then does that like lock me in to

to being a paranormal writer? I feel like you can jump around. Riley Sager is a great example.

Yeah. But I

like sometimes there's real ghosts and then sometimes it's just a mystery.

But I feel like I have to make that decision first and then I can jump around.

Okay.

Like I feel like I need

So just for you mentally personally.

No. And also for me as a like I feel like if I do paranormal now like I'm kind of going to get locked into that. But if I did like more true crimey then the next one could be like okay.

Yeah. [clears throat] That's how I feel personally. But it's also indecision.

the Tallman family

But this family did not have indecision. They wanted to move. And it starts with a family moving into a home. A home that they thought they were going to fill with a lifetime of happiness, of joy, and loving memories. But instead, this house was filled with hauntings. Evil hauntings, terror, and nightmares.

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Lovely. What a wonderful place to live.

Oh, and death threats

from the ghosts.

Yep.

Okay. I'm sure you'll get there, but I'm very curious how that manifests. [laughter]

Yeah. Okay. As some background, by all accounts, the Tolman family was a normal family from Wisconsin. Allan and Debbie had met. They fell in love. They got married and started a family. So, by the time that this story begins, Debbie and Allan have two children, an older son, a daughter, and then they're pregnant with a third child.

Okay.

Alan Tolman was a working-class man who worked long shifts in a local factory, the kind that left his hands calloused and body exhausted. So, he worked really long hours.

Mhm. sometimes even working night shifts where he doesn't get home till 2 or 3 in the morning.

Wow. Spooky time to come home. Debbie spent time with the kids, providing a home that every child deserves, safe, warm, filled with love. They were a typical couple who raised a typical family. And in 1986, they had outgrown their previous home and decided to buy a

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new house in Horaccon, Wisconsin, a marshline town filled with working-class families just like them. And I did a little bit of research of like what this area was like, 1980s Horcon, Wisconsin.

It was the type of place where life just moved a little bit slower. It was a lot of marsh land. So, a lot of like open fields, a lot of factory workers

and it felt peaceful, like the place where neighbors, everyone knows each other's names. Kids are out biking. It's also the '8s. Like, you know, you just let your kids go run outside and do whatever. So, to them, this was the perfect place to raise their children. It was safe, predictable. Famous last words. Alan and Debbie Tolman were instantly charmed when they first laid eyes on this cream colored singlestory ranchstyle home on Larabe Street. There is something serene about it. They could easily picture their kids playing on the flat, neatly cut front lawn. The kitchen was warm and inviting. Easy to imagine evenings around the dinner table swapping tales of their busy days doing

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homework and lamplight. The image of their family gathered in the living room on Christmas morning. Dozens of moments filled with laughter and smiles. This home presented a beautiful future. So, they bought the house. And in April 1986, the Tommans, 32-year-old Alan, Debbie, and their two children move into the home. And the home did provide lasting memories for the family. That is for sure. But they weren't the ones that they had envisioned when looking at the house. Now, I did do research like trying to figure out the history of this house. I think at the point that the Tommens bought it, it was 2 years old and it was one of those neighborhoods that people would like buy the land and then help build their own homes

and then you own it because you help build it. But the Tommens moved into it 2 years after it had been built.

Okay.

So there's no bad history tied to it. The previous family that lived there experienced nothing. The land, it's land, it's all all of our land is stolen land. So there's that. But otherwise, there's no violent past. There's no

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prior reports of unusual activity in this neighborhood. It passed all of the inspections. It felt warm. It felt inviting.

It was a very normal house in a very normal neighborhood. So, they move in April of 1986. And for the first few months, like this is a very peaceful existence. They're happy. Debbie's pregnant. Their kids are enjoying the house. It's the spring. Like, what could go wrong? [laughter] And like I said, they had a boy and a girl. They did a really good job of like keeping the names of the children out of the story,

which I do appreciate and I think this family cares a lot about their privacy. I don't even know if Tomman's their real last name.

Oh wow. Yeah.

But I think it is cuz it's written in newspaper articles. So anyway, they have an older son and a younger daughter. I think the daughter at this time is like one or two. So they're young. So 52 and then pregnant with another daughter. They move in and Alan Tolman does some like minor renovations, painting, decorating, adding in pieces of furniture. And I think you and I both

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can relate and we literally even sold our old chairs that were in our studio on Facebook Marketplace.

We love Facebook Marketplace. I sell half my house was just sold on Facebook Marketplace.

And also like owning a home and like furnishing a home is expensive. So [clears throat] finding secondhand furniture or like buying and selling on a place like Facebook Market.

So many gems.

Exactly. So they don't think anything of it. And in the summer of 1986, their daughter is getting a little bit older. She's ready for a big girl bed and they're going to like use the crib and stuff for their newborn that's coming.

the bunk bed

So they're like, "We're going to buy a new bed for our daughter." And what kid doesn't want bunk beds?

Oh my gosh. So fun.

The dream.

It is the dream.

I never got any. And

my brother did.

He did.

Mhm. And I moved into his room when I was like five cuz I was too scared.

Top or bottom?

I was the bottom. It was like the top was a twin and the bottom was a full.

Oh.

So I was actually on the on the bottom. In the full.

Yeah. And I lived in Christian's room

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until I was 12 years old.

So they bought bunk beds. This set of bunk beds. I think they bought it for $100 and originally it would have gone for like $400, which is expensive back then, 1980s.

But they're like, "This is in great condition. in. We're going to bring it back to the house and we'll just refurbish it a little bit. So, they bring the bunk beds home and the daughter was so excited, so stoked. But before Allan would let her sleep on them, he brought them down to the basement. He basically wanted to like make sure they were really stable and he wanted to repaint them, kind of make them spruce them up for his daughter. That is when everything changed. [sighs] The energy in the home, once light and airy, turned dark and stuffy. strange sounds began like doors opening or closing. But it was so small and so rare that the Tommens really didn't think anything of it. And when things did really escalate, they start looking back and this is like what they attribute as like the first haunting. So Allan's downstairs in the basement one day

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working on the bunk beds. He's doing like a coat of paint and Debbie calls down is like, "Hey honey. Hi sweetie. Dinner's ready. Like come on up." And so

I'm sure it wasn't that nice. That woman's probably exhausted. [laughter]

Dinner's ready.

Where's the dinner? But so Allan puts the lid onto the paint can, like not fully, but he cuz he's planning to come back down after dinner to keep working.

Kind of places the lid on and then puts the paintbrush on like a surface on the table,

right?

And he goes back upstairs, has dinner, enjoys his meal with his family. They all wrap up dinner. Alan heads back downstairs and he's confused because he really does remember putting the lid on the paint can, putting the paintbrush down,

but when he gets back down to the basement, the paintbrush is inside the paint can top removed, but it's handle side in the paint.

Oh my gosh. Wait, so they didn't like the color?

Maybe. He's like, "Okay, this is

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confusing."

Mhm.

And he's like, "That's weird." But it's so easy for him to write off. He just worked a really long day. Maybe he like rushed upstairs because maybe yes, maybe Debbie did call with some urgency and like he was like, "Ah," or maybe it was the third time she called and he was like, "Oh [ __ ] I have to go up there."

Anyway, he doesn't really think much of it. I wouldn't either. It's like you would I'd be like, "Maybe I accidentally did this. Maybe off the table or something and like fall into the paint can weird. Maybe I didn't put the lid on."

You can write it off in so many different ways.

So, he gets back to work, continues on with his life. They read off most of these unusual occurrences until they move the bed upstairs to the 2-year-old daughter's bedroom. That night, the hauntings begin immediately. And for the next 9 months, this family is continuously harassed and haunted by whatever entity this is. [sighs and gasps] Oh my gosh. Oh, I feel so bad because the kids are so young, too. So, it

the hauntings begin

starts night one. They bring the bunk beds up to their daughter's room. She's

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so excited to sleep in her brand new beds.

Debbie and Ellen tuck her in. They say,

"And this is probably such a big deal cuz like she's probably getting out of the crib." So, it's like this has to go well,

right? It's like a big Yeah. They probably really jazz it up.

Hyped it up and talking about it for a long time.

Yeah.

Your big girl bed.

Exactly. They tuck her in, say good night. Then they go tuck their son in, say good night. And his bedroom is right next door to the sister. So, it's like I don't know the exact layout of the house, but I think it's like the 2-year-old, the 5-year-old parents bedroom. Like, that's kind of how it is.

Yeah.

All I know is that the son and the daughter share a wall. So, that night, Debbie and Ellen go to bed. Everyone is peacefully asleep and three things happen almost like simultaneously. The 2-year-old daughter wakes up because she feels like someone is sitting on the end of her bed. She looks and no one's there. But she feels that

this poor girl.

Second thing that happens in the brother's room, one door over,

but the bunk beds are not,

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where he does not have bunk beds, his clock radio turns on by itself, and he recalls seeing the dials being turned as if by an unseen hand. Across the hallway in Debbie and Allan's room, Allan is like half asleep and he hears a whisper, Allan. But it's so faint and so quiet that he's not even sure he heard it. Not too long after hearing this, he hears his daughter crying out for him. So maybe he's like, "Oh, she just called my name." And I heard it weird,

like some weird in between sleep state or something,

right? But again,

more excuses.

More excuses. And again, it's like the daughter's crying out. He goes to check on her. She's too she's not really able to like fully express what's happening.

And again, he probably thinks like moving to a big girl bed, like this is an issue

or it's stressful. And also like the baby's coming. There's a lot of new changes and stuff. He gets her back to bed. They all go to sleep. And then the next morning is when the sun tells them about the radio turning on by itself. But again, Debbie and Alan are like,

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"This is nothing. It's like a weird little thing." But after that experience, things got worse. And I just know that like they were actively trying to ignore it because they probably are so tired and it's like this can't be happening. Like [laughter] no, we don't accept it.

Right. And also, these are such easy things to write off.

Mhm.

But what happens next is not okay. So the next night during bedtime routine as usual, daughter is hesitant to sleep in her bunk beds now because she says that something is in the room.

Mhm.

Debbie and Alan try to reassure her. They thought, you know, it's the change, the new sibling, the new bed. It's a lot happening all at once. They are able to finally get her to sleep in the bed, albeit a little bit apprehensive. All the kids are in bed and Debbie and Allan retire to their own room and yet again shortly after falling asleep. Alan awakes to a sound. Alan. At first, he thought it was a dream. Then he thought maybe one of the kids was calling him, so he goes to check on them. They're

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asleep. He's walking through the living room when he hears it again. Alan. Also, his kids don't call him Alan. Yeah, like that's like your 2-year-old.

They call him daddy or dada, whatever. Wait, sorry. I was facing no Emmy before I walked in here and my sister, she's like, "Talk to Bree. What do you say to Bree?" And she goes, "Chicken butt. [laughter] You trained her so well."

What do you say to Bree?

Chicken butt.

How funny. [laughter]

She knows that you like it, so she's I do. I love it.

Giving you the entertainment that you want.

Yeah, she loves it, too. Anyway, he's hearing Alan, and this time it sounded like it was coming from the garage. And I and I think based on the pictures of the house, like the garage is attached to the house, but I think they mostly would enter the house through their front door. So I don't know if there was necessarily a garage door or if there was, they didn't really use it. So he hears the sound coming from the garage. So he goes outside of the front door towards the garage and listens like no

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one's in the garage, no one's there, nothing's happening. He goes back inside, returns to his bedroom, but as he's walking through the hallway, he's like going from the living room past his daughter's bedroom. There is a freezing cold spot that he has to walk through. He like steps through it and it's kind of like shivers. He's like, "That's weird." And he takes another step

vent, a draft. Like, that's so strange.

It's literally like stagnant cold air in this one spot between the living room and his daughter's bedroom. Weird, but not much. Also weird on the ghost's part to just be standing there and let someone walk through you a bunch. Or is it the ghost standing outside of the daughter's room?

Oh [ __ ] [snorts] Because as Alan goes back to bed, he falls asleep and not 2 hours later does he wake up to his daughter crying out like terrified. A really horrifying terrified cry. He goes to check on her and she's crying, saying the door was opening and closing on its own, but by the time he gets there, like the door's closed or open, whatever. You know, it's

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not moving at all.

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escalation & the witch in the fire

escalate. After that first and second night, the family started hearing voices calling out to them. The children heard people saying their names. These voices would call to people when no one else was home. It was unsettling

and it knew their names. It called them by their names. Then the daughter begins to have nightmares and visions. One night she woke up to seeing a woman with long dark hair standing in her room. The figure appeared to have glowing red eyes with an evil sinister look. And the strangest detail that this young child relays to their her parents is that the woman seemed to be standing in fire.

So when the first time this happens, she tell basically like the way she can describe it is like a witch is standing in fire outside of my door.

Yeah.

She tells her parents this. They tell her it's a bad dream cuz like they want to believe that and I think they also

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want to allow her to fall back to sleep. It's just a bad dream. [clears throat] It's just a bad dream. It's okay.

They don't talk about it. They don't tell their son this. They don't tell anyone this. The daughter doesn't really talk about it because I think she realizes her parents don't want to talk about it.

They believe it's a child's overactive imagination.

So different than my childhood. My brother would like see cloaked figures walking in a circle in his room and then the next morning my mom would be like, "Oh my god, they're like they're at it again.

This is what happened in Christian's room last night." I'm like, "Shit." [laughter] Well, this is the moment that they stopped ignoring it because like I said, they did not tell anyone else. A couple months later, their son calls to them in the middle of the night and says that there is a woman who's standing in fire in his room. He didn't know any of the details of what his sister had experienced. And sure, you can say maybe like she told him, but I think this was whatever it is, this moment is the moment that Alan and Debbie are like, "Oh, this is not just our daughter's overactive imagination. All of these

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things that are happening, we can't ignore anymore. Like, we are being haunted and there is something sinister here.

They finally have to admit something is going on. They're experiencing a haunting. And once they had this mental shift, it feels like the spirit was like, "Haha, level unlocked." And got even more intense. I just like went somewhere for a minute cuz I was just like, "Oh my like for a second, my life kind of flashed before [laughter] your eyes."

Before my eyes because I was like, "What if I have to experience something like this?" like how how do you

Oh, well, I feel like you are way more equipped to handle this than this family.

Yeah.

And also just like our community that's here. I feel like we've got some bad witches here.

Yeah. I was just like picturing myself like if Noah started like screaming bloody murder and like pointing or whatever, just like busting down the door, be gone. [laughter]

Banish. Not today, Satan. I'm going to catch you in a little jar and keep you on my shelf and laugh at you every time I walk by. [laughter] This is why spirits don't [ __ ] with K.

This is why people know not that would

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be a fun name.

This is why humans and dead don't [ __ ] with K.

Well, the humans try.

Okay, so they now like mentally shift. They're like, "Yes, this is a haunting." Haunting gets even more intense. Whatever the spirit is, it's like it wanted to be acknowledged and now it's freak flag flies.

Getting freaky.

Getting freaky. Items started being moved. There were these cold patches that were intensified. furniture started to shake. The bunk bed specifically would start to move on its own. They all kind of started seeing full body apparitions in the house mostly out of the corner of their eyes and then or when they were sleeping like at the end of the bed and the entities started to get physical and again I don't know if it's one or multiple but like something was happening and getting physical and it became poltergeist activity.

Doors would open and close including the garage door. it would fully open and close by itself, which is

I don't know. There's something about a big garage door that feels more ominous and heavy.

And it's like the middle of the night, your garage door being closed gives you

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this sort of sense of security and then for it to just be

open and closed,

open and closed. And then also, it's like, what else is it letting in?

Who else could just be walking by when this happens?

I don't know. So, the witch starts appearing at the end of the daughter's bed every night to the point where she no longer sleeps in there alone. So Alan is now sleeping on the floor in his daughter's bedroom to help her sleep.

He's not on the other bunk.

I think he want like she probably wanted him close to her.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. Floor. Over the top bunk.

Yeah, that's true. I was thinking like she was on the top bunk

because like kids a lot of kids want to be on the top.

Yeah, same. I would have gone top if I had a bunk bed, but I never got one. [laughter]

Um.

God damn [clears throat] it, Aurora.

I have childhood trauma, but no bunk beds. [laughter] Hey, you got one thing. Yeah. Woohoo. Now, I also did have a good childhood. It's not all bad. So, these experience also weren't just for Alan, Debbie, and their family. Like, I think extended family would experience it and then neighbors would experience it. So, it's like if people came over, they would

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experience it.

Oh my gosh. I feel like we keep relating things back to like the Hinsdale house or the Smurl family, but like this reminds me of the Smurl family where it's like like even neighbors, like are you like eight houses down? You might experience the poltergeist. Well, that's why and I know there are a lot of qualms with Ed and Lorraine Warren, but I do appreciate the like way that they attempted to analyze like the phases of

they called it like the phase of possession,

but like I do feel like

that ends in death,

right? There are just a lot of patterns that are similar,

right? Yeah.

In these cases.

Yeah.

But so, yeah, they are now like, we need help. So, they call in their pastor, and I do have questions about this, but their pastor comes in and apparently immediately walks in. He probably was given some like context prior to coming in, but he comes into the house, and he's like, [gasps] I imagine him being very dramatic. There's evil. [laughter] And he's like, "This is the work of the devil." And like jumps to the most extreme scary possibility. And then he performs a blessing. He's like, "Ah, I'll be good."

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But then, of course, if anything, it made it more I mean, that was my performance. I don't know how his [laughter] was. I think he was probably more chill, but I feel like the words and the outcome more were dramatic.

Yeah,

because Yeah, he did his blessing and then it ended up intensifying the haunting more than anything, which is so frustrating because it's like this is what you're told to do. You're told to go seek the church out or whatever your belief is. Go find the healer, the shaman, like someone who Waldo, someone who has like the power to come and do the blessing. And then like that's supposed to end things or at least like you hope heard it enough, you know? But it feels like in so many of these cases that actually makes things worse. But then I also feel like there's other cases where you do practices that we've heard of or like, you know, protecting your space and like boundary setting and all of that and it doesn't work either. It it is kind of do we even have the power to banish something like this or did it want something? And we don't

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know.

Yeah. But pastor leaves, the hauntings intensify, and the Tommens now believe that there's an evil entity in their home. And I feel like this fear and this like belief in it being evil probably did give it more power. And then one of the most terrifying encounters happened one night when Debbie had to take Allan to the hospital cuz he had a sinus infection. So they have Allen's mother, the kid's grandmother, come stay with the kids. According to Alan's mother, she woke up after like a little nap and saw a pair of red eyes peering into the window. And then after that night, everyone else started seeing these same red eyes throughout the house, staring at them.

I hate that,

watching them.

But it makes sense if like a fiery woman and then the red eyes. For months, they truly didn't have a moment of peace. Visions of this witch lady in the fire plagued them. Voices called their names at all times a day. It was relentless and horrifying. And these children who were previously happy and healthy start having constant nightmares, aren't

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sleeping well, which is obviously impacting their health. It's really impacting like all of their well-beings.

And so Alan was like, "I'm sick of this." He hit his boiling point. You

Allen confronts the entity

know, when they moved into this house, they had visions of the family laughing together, opening Christmas presents and stuff under the tree. Well, Christmas turns out a little bit different. It's the week of Christmas, 1987, apparently. And I don't know what this encounter was, but Debbie and Allen's son had like a terrifying experience. That candle's really dripping. Oh man, looks kind of cool. So, I'm not sure what the experience was, but basically, whatever it was, Allan was sick of this [ __ ] He was over it. He starts throwing a fit, a fullon fit in the house. He's screaming kind of in the air to this entity being like, "Leave my children alone. Get the hell out of this house. Like, we don't want you here. You're pissing me off. I don't know what other things he's saying. I'm sure he's like ranting.

He's projecting a lot of energy that yum yum yum tasty snack for

and he does something that is very

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reminiscent of the Ara Cheyenne Johnson case.

Oh, he tells the spirit

if the spirit wants to fight someone to fight him.

Oh, no. I mean, yes, good. You're you're the protector of your family, but

and the spirit basically we've heard the tale before.

Okay, sure. Great.

Love it. Thank you. We'll do. And 3 weeks later,

a bigger fight.

On January 7th, it's 1988 now. Allan returns home from work again. He's working the late shift. So, he gets home around 2 or 3:00 a.m. Pulls into the driveway, parks his car, gets his little lunch pail from the day, and he starts walking into the front door. All of a sudden, like a really weird sound starts like coming from the garage. It almost sounds like a tornado or like a windstorm is happening inside of the garage and he's so confused by it. So, he's like naturally he's like, "What is happening?"

Yeah.

And as he's approaching the garage, he starts to hear Allen. Allen.

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But it's like his brain can't rationalize the fact that there's this wind and a name, someone calling his name inside the garage. So he goes around the side of the house and is like, "Is someone outside?" He's like, "Hello. Is someone there? Hello? Is someone there?" No one's there. He hears it again. Alan. This time it's saying, "Come here." And it is without a doubt coming from inside the garage. So he's approaching the garage. Got a little lunch pail in his hand.

Oh my gosh. He's doing it like, "No, [ __ ] You come here."

And then

you called me.

But the garage door is closed. And as he's like getting closer to the garage, he sees those glowing red eyes appear through like the window of the garage. And then instantly it like turns into fire and it looks like the garage is like fully ablazing on fire. He's so confused. He's so taken back. He literally runs to the front door, goes inside, gets inside, drops his lunch pail on the ground, and stands there in shock, confused. And then he's like, "Holy [ __ ] Wait, is my garage on fire?"

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Right? like was he imagining part of that and his garage is on fire and he needs to know

and he needs to now get his family out. So he runs back outside and the garage is fine. No fire, nothing. He feels like he's losing his goddamn mind. He goes back inside, closes the front door and his lunch pail that he had dropped it literally picks up off the ground and gets thrown across the room. Good thing it wasn't thrown at him.

Yeah. My god, this is horrifying. I do wish when it said Allan that he had responded guess what and then it said what and then Alan said.

Me too. would have been a much more fun story. Yeah. And then maybe the spirit would be like, "Haha, actually a great time."

Great.

Best of buds. The end.

Merry Christmas. [laughter] Hats off to you.

Wish you a present. It's under the tree. Meet me under the mistleto's first.

So, this is like a massive escalation. It is like interact with him. It's tricking him. It's doing all these things. And then a few nights later, it made its intentions very, very clear. So, like I said, Allan is sleeping on his daughter's floor like basically full time. He's just he's sleeping there. So,

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one night he's sleeping on the floor next to his daughter. And over this time that he had been sleeping on the floor, this mist would form like kind of in the corner of the bedroom, but every day would get like clearer and darker and then it would get closer and closer. So on this one night, Allan is sleeping next to his daughter and he wakes up and he sees this like misty blob

which is clearly like a negative entity and it whispers very very clearly, you're dead. The death threat found horrified. He sprints out of the room which woke his wife Debbie up and Debbiey's like oh my god what's happening? Like he cannot even speak. He's so

yeah,

he doesn't know what to do about this. He's frazzled. He doesn't know what to do. So the next day, Debbie immediately calls the pastor and is like, "We need another blessing of this house. Like, please come help us." They do another blessing. Doesn't do anything. Now, there is one story that I don't know how true it is, but I'm going to say it cuz

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it's kind of crazy, but it might it might not be true. It might be like an amalgamation of all the stories combined into like one incident because the Tommans don't really talk about this.

Got it. Yeah. There was a report that one night while sleeping in his daughter's bedroom, Allan awoke to the sounds of chanting and when he opened his eyes, he saw this like light glowing from within the bunk beds and then it turned into a fire and his daughter is sleeping there, right? So he's terrified and he like jumps up and goes to like extinguish the fire, but there's no heat emitting from this like fire looking light.

And as he's like trying to get rid of it, all of a sudden it disappears.

Damn. I'm just so confused too because it's like I mean I know we've heard so many stories not quite like this

but in a similar vein and it's just like what do you want

right

like what's the purpose

what's your purpose sometimes it's so not clear

like this time it's so not clear so then a few nights later is when the family finally hits their breaking point it's now January 11th 1988 and Alan had to

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work late at night so I think with everything going on Debbie was just like also exhausted so they started taking to like having family members or people come stay when Allan was working late.

So they had a family member come stay this night while Allan was working late and I think this family member was a skeptic. He didn't really he she I don't know the gender didn't really believe in everything that was happening with this family

which like sometimes that's a good thing until tonight because he's there he is I'm saying he but I don't know it just says family member. So this family member is there and it's not clear what happened that night, but he witnessed something very paranormal. It was like so obvious and I think it was threatening because Debbie decides to pack everyone up. She packs her kids up and she gets out of the house and never returns. January 11th, 1988. She's just like reached it. She's like, "I'm over this. I'm not doing this anymore. My family's in danger. Whatever this is is not going away." I'm a little shocked

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that they didn't make the connection to the bunk beds.

So, I think that they did. It's not clear at what point they did.

Did they try to get rid of the bunk beds? Like, you would think you would get rid of bunk beds before abandoning your whole home. It is a cheaper solution, but I think they just This house now is just tainted with horror, right?

Yeah.

So, January 11th, 1988, Debbie moves the family out of the house. They never live in that house again. They moved out with no plans of where they were going, what they were going to do with the house, but Debbie knew that she couldn't take it any longer. And if the spirit wasn't going to get out, then she was. So now

the aftermath

they move out and despite the family kind of keeping it to themselves, people knew about it. Like neighbors knew that the Tomman's like up and left. And so rumors start following the house and they're spreading throughout this town. So much so again cuz the Thomas are not talking that these rumors become crazy. Bleeding walls, a hole to hell in the basement. Apparently there's like a

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story.

Is that that crazy though in comparison to like a fiery being that turns the garage into this next story would have been great. But like this is a story that starts spreading in the rumors that there was a ghost powered snowblower that cleaned the driveway by itself. [sighs] Oh my god, I wish. Right. So, this is all to say like it just became a bit of a circus and everyone around town is talking about it to the point where now people are becoming looks. There was an article published in April of 1988 that recalled like this is like the week after the family moved out. So,

the week of January 11th, this is quoted. Ghost rumors swept through the crowd at the Friday night basketball game at the local high school. Hundreds of cars then swept down Larabe Street past the Tommen house. People walked through the yard, climbed over fences, peering into windows of all 10 houses on the street. Drunks showed up. They weren't afraid of no ghosts. They were all intent into getting into the Tommen

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house to prove their bravery. Police arrived and arrests were made for disorderly conduct. Hundreds of cars. This is a small street with only 10 houses. That's crazy. And that's also like if the demon is still there, if this entity is still there, like that's so much energy that it can just like siphen up.

I know. So meanwhile, the Tolmans are hiding from the press and hiding from the hauntings, which ever since they left the house, they're not experiencing anything.

Great,

right? That's awesome. So now this is like a full week free of hauntings, but they also like don't really know what they're doing with the house. They're trying to figure it out with like the loan that they have.

That's also like their stuff. Like what stuff can they take,

right? So then also now the police are getting involved because all these kids are coming to the house which is destruction of property and like the neighbors are calling whatever. So the police come and talk to the Tommen family and again it's not clear like what happened but based on their conversation the police even believed the Tommens and were like very intent on protecting them. I don't know what exactly happened in like the next couple

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of weeks, but I think the police basically convinced Allan and Debbie to to speak to one news outlet so that they can get the story straight in the media

so that the rumors kind of stop. So they met with journalist James B. Nelson from the Milwaukee Sentinel who was very much more interested in writing a story about a troubled family than a ghost story, which

Oh, that's so unfair to them.

No, that's good.

Well, define troubled. No, it's better than like like a making up a rumored ghost story. Like he's

Are you saying that there but like is he painting as like this family was plagued?

Okay. Yeah.

Basically like before all

troubled I was thinking like oh this family's dissolving like these people are you know losing

I thought it was more

slanderous. No, the point is like everything prior to this was rumorbased and like all about like making a good ghost story whereas this guy is like no no no like I want to write about like impact on this family and how they are being troubled by what's happening.

Okay, that makes sense.

And so because of this article, things

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did seem to settle down, but then we're left wondering what happened to the hauntings, what happened to the bunk bed, what happened to the Tommen family. So, there was a follow-up article written in February of 1988 that stated the house was up for sale, apparitions and all. So, now it's become famous for hauntings, and that the bunk beds had been taken to a private landfill in the area, were destroyed and buried.

Wow.

So, Debbie was quoted saying, "The beds were buried Saturday in a landfill where nobody will ever build. They took them out there and plowed them under." And it's like undisclosed location. They don't want anyone to have access to these. They don't want anyone to ever build property on top of this land just in case the beds now like are emitting this haunting on that land.

The Tommans then moved to a nearby town and never experience another haunting. But their experiences in the house did long haunt them. Even Debbie said in this like February 1988 article, "I think it's going to be a long time before things get back to normal. I still cannot sit at home at night and

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not be afraid of the dark. That makes me so sad." So, they had originally bought the house and it had a market value of like $50,400. They took a loss of like $3,000 in the sale, but they were like, "That's worth it for us. We need to get out of here."

Yeah.

Then, this is where things get a little interesting. Well, it's already interesting, but sometime after the move, the story reached the producers of Unsolved Mysteries. And I don't know how, but somehow they were able to feature the haunting and the Tommen story in October of 1988 on Unsolved Mysteries season 3, episode 13. The dramatizations that Unsolved Mystery filmed were actually filmed inside the actual house.

That is very cool.

But this episode has become one of the most popular episodes in history, but it is now considered a missing segment because

Wait, what do you mean? Not in like a mystery way in a the producers or the legal team of Unsolved Mysteries

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somewhere between the DVD release and because now you can watch them all on Amazon Prime. They removed that segment so you can't watch it on Amazon Prime. I think there was a Reddit forum with the producers of the show like asking why is this segment missing or why did you pull this one?

Right. Did they pull a bunch or was it just this one? No, there's a bunch though. There's like a whole You can look up like all the missing segments. There's like a whole bunch of them.

I don't understand why any of them would be pulled.

Well, I'll tell you. I looked it up and there are a few reasons that it could happen. Family and law enforcement requests, issues of rights or statutes of limitations, which I mean that makes me think that they basically signed a deal with whoever the story is about that they could tell have rights to the story

10 years or whatever. Yeah.

And then so like they can no longer have it. But I think with this one, the response as to why it was no longer or why it's a missing episode, I think was something about respecting the family. So I think the family didn't want it to be

Oh, interesting.

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Like I said, they were really like they they've denied a lot of money. They've turned down like opportunities to turn this into something.

So they weren't involved in the unsolved mysteries.

They were and I think they probably later regretted it.

Okay. Yeah.

But you can watch the segment on YouTube. We'll put the link in the show notes. And originally the Tommen family only agreed to do it if the names of their children were left out. They're like where they ended up going and all and their faces were blurred out.

It's also 1980s. Like you're not thinking about Facebook. You're not thinking about like how easy it is to now find

people. Yeah. But also I feel like in their defense now there's I mean we also sit in a unique spot where like I feel like there's a lot more acceptance with the paranormal and people outwardly talk about it like celebrities there's all these shows random interviews on the red carpet someone will be like oh my god my hotel was haunted. Like my perception is that people are a lot more open with sharing and that it's way less of like a weird fauxpaw thing which maybe in the 80s it still was like

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strange. Yeah. I did read this thing where there was like an article and at the bottom like you know how people can comment on articles on websites

someone was like I worked with the Talllmans and the day I was hired I was told to never ever ever bring up the paranormal with Mr. Tolman and I'm like okay well one is that true and two what does that even mean? Yeah,

like that's exactly what I was gonna say. Like a traumatizing experience. Like you wouldn't be, you know, someone's brother gets murdered, you're not going to be like, "Oh, by the way, first day on the job." Just make sure you don't ask about like, "Hey, so your murdered brother." Like that's so inappropriate. That's a [laughter] really hard

time for someone. So I understand that if it was like, "Yeah,

that is a really awful traumatic thing that happened to their family." So they don't talk about it. But other people use this as an argument to say that the Tommens made the whole thing up.

Oh.

But I don't think they did. But the

was it the bunk bed?

question is, was it the bunk bed? Because I read something that a haunting

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actually happened way before the bunk beds ever came into the house.

In the house?

In the house.

So apparently shortly after

Wait, for this family or for this?

No, for this family. Oh [ __ ]

So shortly after moving into the house, apparently Debbie and Allan had left their son under the care of a babysitter.

Mhm. for just like a couple hours, right? And the babysitter when they came home told them of like a weird occurrence like they were sitting in the kitchen and one of the table or one of the chairs in the kitchen started to move on its own. Like truly, she said it rocked along the floor, bounced a few times and then stopped and then even the sun confirmed this. Like they both saw it.

God.

But that was the only thing that happened from they moved in April of 1986

until like the summer. So they didn't connect it.

It's also hard because like I feel like there's so many spirits that can pass through, but that's also a very

It feels similar

like Yeah. the energy that's put forward

and it's the furniture

furniture strong.

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So we don't know. But all we do know is that ever since moving and ever since destroying the bunk beds, the Tommen family has not experienced a haunting. At least that they've shared.

And the family who moved into the house also never experienced anything in the house. Damn.

So, it wasn't It doesn't seem like it was the house. Maybe it was the Tallman's and the bunk bed.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know either.

I know. It's scary, though.

It makes me wonder if there was something attached to the bunk bed that like either like got in a fight with the spirit in the house,

right?

Or just like reminded this spirit that was like lingering or entity waiting for a time to strike. It just like triggered it in a way.

Yeah. Why would it just immediately just like voom full throttle as soon as the bunk beds are put

into the bedroom though specifically?

Mhm.

Yeah. [clears throat] I don't know.

And then I wish we could find out like who they bought the bunk beds from like the history of that cuz like my rational brain wants to trace it back and then

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ask that family like what did you experience? Why did you get rid of them?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like can you call the antique store? Can you message the person on Facebook Marketplace? Like can't

can you track down however you acquired your seemingly haunted antique and ask

right like could you imagine the untold story where it's this family who sold the bunk beds to the Tallman's.

Maybe they never experienced anything or maybe there was like a weird fire incident like their kid was like a little fire setter pyro kid.

Yeah.

And they were like okay you're losing your bunk beds. They sell them, move on with their life, and then a couple of months later, they read these papers all about this haunted bunk bed, and they know that they're the ones who sold it.

Gosh.

But they never tell anyone cuz why would you?

Damn.

This is not the same at all. But that just reminded me of when when [laughter] I was little and I went to an Easter egg hunt in our town.

Okay.

I was like maybe like seven.

There's a little toddler. Couldn't keep up.

You kicked the Had no eggs. So, I gave

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some of my eggs to the toddler and then that was the end of the toddler's Easter egg hunt. Then, like next week in the newspaper, there was a report like kind of describing me cuz they didn't know who I was and how kind I was to give their child the eggs. And I had given away an egg that was a winner to like a giant basket, but I didn't know. I'm glad they won. But like still in me, there's part of like my childhood that's like I can't believe I gave away my prize. [laughter] cuz you were

like I tried to do a good deed

and then you lost

and then I lost I became a loser.

But you also could have never known that and you would have been fine.

Yes. But because they

because you knew

like man keep it to yourself if you if [laughter] you win.

That's what they say about the lottery.

I still think about it and I'm in my 30s. I never won an Easter basket every single year except for the one year I gave away my winning egg.

I'm going to allow you to win a beautiful Easter basket.

Thanks.

It's going to be filled with toys for seven years. Easter basket was like something that I needed. It was probably like

lotion and like it was [laughter] like I

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have to need it. But

I do have that problem though. Like I I love getting gifts and I love giving gifts

but I also don't need anything.

Yeah.

I want to gift like experiences

to people or even like gift them a dinner at a restaurant or like something that can like still be enjoyed on someone else. But then part of me is like well does that feel too impersonal to be like here's a gift card to a restaurant?

It just depends on the person too. What does that person want?

That's what I love doing is learning what type of gifts people like.

Yeah. Okay. I have a listener story.

listener story

Okay.

It's called I was a creepy kid.

Love it.

Hey, ghosty girlies. I have a few stories for you today about how I was a creepy kid. I meant to send this way back when Karen was pregnant with Noah, but I have wild ADHD and I forgot. But now I'm on meds. Woo. [laughter] And your most recent episode covering creepy kids reminded me to send this. So, let's get into it. First off, my sister and I were apparently both creepy kids. Either that or something like to possess us at night.

Oh no.

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My mom had

both are terrifying, [laughter]

right?

Well, I guess like that would be kind of the same. You're creep Yeah.

I think I'd rather be creepy. I'd rather have a creepy kid possessed,

but I'd rather a creepy kid that sees things than a kid being possessed for the sake of the kid.

Oh, yeah. Definitely. [laughter]

My mom had a major fear of my sister and I being too cold while we slept at night. So before we went to bed, she would come in and make sure all of our covers were pulled up so we didn't need any more blankets. My sister is 5 years older than me, so she started doing this in her sleep first. Anytime my mom would step into her room, my sister would sit straight up in bed and look at her, not blinking, not saying anything, just watching her as she moved to my sister's bedside to try to tuck her in.

As soon as my mom would go back towards the door, my sister would just lay back down and go to sleep like nothing happened. and she never had a recollection of doing this.

It's so weird because you know that her mom for sure tried to like say something and be like, "Oh my god."

And she just stared,

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right? You're like kind of scared of your kid, but like you're not supposed to be,

right? And you're also trying to tuck them in. You're like, "Okay, good night."

And then I started doing this, too.

Oh, jeez.

My mom always said that she was a little creeped out, but didn't really think too much into it. She thought maybe we were just sleepalking or walking until I really creeped her out one night. Oh [clears throat] no. At this point, I had bunk beds. I turned the bunk bed into a loft bed, so I was on the top bunk. And she came over to make sure my blankets were up and covering me. As soon as she went up the ladder, one rung to check on me. I sprung up, sitting straight up with a giant smile on my face, and I enthusiastically said, "I want a hug."

I want a hug.

Yeah, but like they were like demon

demonic voice.

Terrifying.

I want a hug. Demons want hugs, too. That's all they ever want. [laughter]

My mom says she's never been so creeped out. She shoved me back down to lay down and then she got the [ __ ] out of my room before I could do anything else creepy.

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We finally grew out of this as we got older. But my mom said that that moment with me was what made her want to stop checking on me at night.

I don't blame her.

And then she writes, "Hard jump to the next stories. Both my grandpas passed away when I was pretty young, so I don't really remember much of them, but they seem to be able to get my attention in their afterlife pretty easily. The night after my paternal grandpa's funeral, we were staying at my Lola tagalog for grandma at my Lola's, and I swear I heard him come home that night. Oh,

my Lola's house has always kind of freaked me out for some reason, and I never really could sleep very well there. I remember hearing the front door open, the sound of his work boots, very distinctive sound, and no one else wears them in our family in the front entry, followed by softer, more cushioned footsteps walking through the house, and then up the stairs, almost as if he had taken off his shoes by the front door and was walking to go to bed. Filipino households don't play about having shoes on in the house. They have to come off at the door or by the front door. So, I told my parents once, it was morning,

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and I told them that I thought I heard him the night before. My dad said, "Oh, I must have just been hearing things, but to not say anything to my Lola because she was very religious. She's very Catholic, and hearing this would probably freak her out." She came down for coffee that morning and said, "Lolo, grandpa, was in her dreams last night." Grandma said this?

Yeah. Did I actually hear him coming to say his goodbye?

For sure. Fast forward to when I was about 12 years old. I was visiting the other side of the family in Oregon for the summer, and my aunt took me and my older cousin to a beach town for the weekend. My grandpa on that side had passed over about seven or eight years ago by this point. I was maybe four years old when he passed. And my aunt had mentioned that this town was one of grandpa's favorite places to visit. So we decided to go honor him that night and play a round of cribage, his favorite game in one of these towns since we were placed. Everything was fine and normal until we went to bed that night. My aunt and I were in one bed while my cousin was in the other, and there were two reclining chairs near the window next to where I was sleeping.

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My aunt woke up in the middle of the night to me sitting on one of the reclining chairs, playing with the foot lever, and talking. She thought I was just sleepwalking until she heard what I was saying.

What was she saying?

Apparently, I was having a full-on conversation about golf, martinis, board games,

martinis,

all my grandpa's favorite things.

I know nothing about golf still to this day.

And I was 12. I had no clue what a martini was, although now they're my drink of choice at 25. My aunt was convinced that I was talking to my grandpa as I was talking to him about golf and about him golfing with his friends that I don't know nor have I ever met.

Damn.

She finally asked me what I was doing and I remember waking up and mid-sentence I was like very confused as to how I got out of bed.

Oh, so you were like full on sleepwalking?

Yeah.

Damn. Did my subconscious make me dream while sleepwalking that I was with my grandpa because we had mentioned him earlier that day or was he having a conversation with me in the reclining

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chairs? I don't know. But we haven't been back to that hotel since. So yeah, those are my creepy kids stories. Love the podcast. Keep up the spooky work. Payton she her.

Damn Payton, you are I mean being 12 and having that experience like I feel like that proves that Payton's like connected to the other side beyond just like early childhood. Yeah,

I do believe like she was in like a sleep, but it was paranormal. Like she was talking to him.

Yeah, it seems that way.

Which also makes me sad that she doesn't like it.

Yeah. But like sometimes it's not the memory is not for her. It's for like the people who really

her family

spent a lot of time with the grandpas and like needed that reminder, needed that confirmation.

Damn.

Sometimes you're just a conduit for your relatives. [laughter] And sometimes you buy haunted bunk beds and there's no reason, no rhyme, just run.

Uh, bunk beds are just inherently creepy, too, cuz like just picturing like Payton's mom having to crawl up the

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ladder just to like check on her

and then

I want a hug. I want a hug.

It also there's something about bunk beds that remind me of like summer camp and like camp is creepy. There's just like a lot of ties.

There's big spiders in the cabins and then you're on the top bunk. You're closest to the spider that's on the ceiling. Hell no. No thanks. Anyway, yes thanks. Yes, please to your ghost stories. Please email them to us at two girls onego podcast@gmail.com and uh let us know how you like to get gifts nowadays in your life.

If you have gift ideas.

Yeah,

let us like what are you buying people? Give us some ideas.

Yeah, [laughter] we'll create a Two Girls One Ghost gift list based on what you give us.

Yeah, you and that list exists just in the comments on this episode. this episode.

Maybe someone will put it together. I don't know.

No, but truth ideas are welcome.

Yes. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. And thank you to our producer, Emma Leventter. We could not do this podcast or this business

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without all of the help. And we also couldn't do it without all of you. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.