Surviving a Spirit Conjured by Humans | The Philip the Ghost Experiment Pt 2 (Ep 286)

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very spooky okay hello hello this two girls one ghost two girls one ghost and we are your ghostesses that's Karen hi and I'm a Sabrina thought you were gonna steal it again no I'm just trying to balance this on my stomach so I can do the least actually I have a pregnancy tip for people please so Freda the company that does like fre to Mom fre to baby they just came out with the most incredible website ever it's called Freda uncensored they partnered with some adult actors and women

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to create are you going on it right now yeah okay well don't like watch a videos with soundon but basically it is a website where they show you how to actually use some of their tools oh so that you can know how to give yourself like a paranal massage you know how to apply the nipple balm you know how to use the Perry bottle and so they have an adult actress actually showing you how to use everything which that's why they asked me to put my birthday in yes yes so I mean it's completely educational they're casting now that could be me well I know I mean at the time of us recording this they're about to come out with their like post C-section recovery and post vaginal birth recovery videos wow so that you can learn like how to take care of yourself and your injuries and it truly is so incredible I was watching the paranal massage one and I was like I for sure would have done this one wrong so there's just like the sick part of my brain that's like there are people out there who have nothing to do with this that are getting off on these videos yeah they're probably getting off

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on the thought of it anyway so that's true for the amount of women it's gonna help okay probably worth those of you out there who have a weird par what's it called fetish paranal massage that skin right between your vag and your butthole yeah this is for you woo we're all about Kinks here anyway it was perfectly timed for me about to give birth that this came yeah that is great so I'm very

Personal stories and critters

happy with that can I tell you a different like update in my life that has nothing to do with sure and then I'm going to tell you something that has nothing to do with either of us okay great I love that so I think I've told you this but when I was growing up I was chased by a wild turkey and it was traumatizing yes um this is such a pivot it's such a where where's going were you chased by another well there's there's a wild turkey in my neighborhood and I terrified honestly I think Allison used to feed it probably why it's there it's everywhere wait Leia so I'll show you this video of Leia this was right before your baby shower oh there's the turkey yeah 100% Alison and Daniel would feed the turkeys the pawsum families all the

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wildlife listen I'm down for stray cats but like wild I just I'm traumatized there's raccoons I'm down for all of that I'm like it's just the wild turkey the turkeys are pretty intense and I don't know if anyone here lives in Cambridge or Somerville Massachusetts or Brighton or Brooklyn but specifically those towns the turkeys are mean they will fight you they're huge too they're really big they're old turkeys we already talked about this but guess my like Wildlife my only addition to Wildlife is that Brian and I have a I keep wanting to call it a fret but I think it looks similar it's a um weasel weasel what's the other word for it it's like an irine it's an IR it's like a short tailed weasel so it will turn white it's fur will turn white in the winter it will be so cute but it lives in our backyard and we have been cheering him on we need to give him a name Willie you want to name him Willie the weasel because he has for the proper after my father yeah yeah my Father

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William but he's been killing all the mice and the other day we left our garage open for a few hours and he well it's horrifying that we have just mice everywhere but he went in and he uh collected some treats for himself and we were cheering him cheering him on go go get the mice I feel like you're giving him treats it's a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship that you have with this weasel yeah he's not like not very scared of us either we got pretty close to him he was very focused on next time I see you he's going to be like on your shoulder you're going to be like a weasel lady in the neighborhood my parents frogs that I just have on your shoulder what yeah my parents every year in their pool there's always a couple huge frogs that make their pool their home oh do you give them one year I did befriend petunia ponia and she rode around when I was on the float she swam over she jumped on my shoulder and we we floated around together you do have quite the relationship with creatures Critters I'm a I'm a creature myself Critter girl that's true true yeah they

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recognize wild creature recognize creature creature recognizes creature okay but speaking of creatures the pivot

Bigfoot research theories

that is nothing to do with either of us have also everything to do with us what there at this time in May as we record there is a man on Reddit who has gone and dug through all of the Bigfoot research and like Bigfoot sightings and basically created map and realized the majority of sightings that there's like an epicenter where Mount reneer in Washington should we go there's campgrounds around the epicenter so we could literally go camping in the woods I feel like we're Magic School busing this for sure there's like pages and pages of research that he has that he posted on Reddit with the epicenter of of what he believes Washington yeah yeah and then I was getting upset because people were like yeah but if you overlay the amount of black bear sightings and black bear population with Bigfoot sightings

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they're basically like perfectly correlated and I'm like well both creatures don't want to be interacting with humans so obviously they're going to be in like a similar terrain and if I'm Bigfoot like of course I would go to a place that I'm surrounded by creatures that look similar enough that could be confused with me yeah it takes a certain body type to like be be up in that high elevation in the woods exactly you can't convince me get out here skep whatever even though I'm kind of a Bigfoot skeptic but I you so I after all of her three-part episodes I want to believe I want to believe I'm open to anything and everything okay also another pivot

Family ghost stories

tangent we were at your baby shower and I love going to family events of yours because I'm ghost girl and your like your family obviously talks to you about all their ghost experiences but it's so EAS pair of fresh ears because they assume that I didn't tell you even though you've already heard all St it's so easy for me to have like my social anxi I mean I still have social xiety

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but it goes much further out the door because everyone comes to me and wants to talk to me about ghosts like there's no like hm now what do we talk about the weather where where'd you go to college so your grandmother told me that she hears voices in her house yes and only since moving from they used to stay in the upstairs room now they're in the downstairs room and that's where they hear it's like a muffled conversation and then I met Addie your cousin who's haunted yes Addie's the one we've shared Addie's stories before where when she she was a baby my aunt and uncle they would post videos on their Facebook of orbs flying around in Addie's Nursery room and like Addie conversating with them and Addie had the story where basically she knew that one of their dogs had passed away because the other dog who' already passed a year or two before came and told her at school that the dog that Rowan had passed and was joining him over the like rainbow bridge and then she's seen his spirit in the house yes it's like a white form of a

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dog mhm also Addie was a little nervous at first your aunt brought her over to talk to me and she kind of did that like you know like yeah shy girl you know shy girl thing and I was like so you've seen ghost and then immediately she goes yeah I've seen him a couple of times and then remember remember when I was like Addie did you ever read scary scary stories to tell in the dark when I got you that when you were like four and she was like yeah and I was like I probably shouldn't have gotten you that so early and she goes I mean it made me sleep in my parents room for a year but it was great it was still cool and then she goes I was like what's your favorite episode and she goes well that one with the guy who's possessed is pretty funny so funny so she go I mean entertaining but you know she's a tween now yeah I love it she was so fun but I mean both sides my mom's side and my dad's side have both have so many hauntings so it doesn't matter who you talk to my dad's sisters know my mom's brother like you're going to get Ghost Stories and it was funny cu your grandma was like I probably

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shouldn't be telling people that I hear voices at my age and I was like honestly you're in the right crowd to be doing it you're the yeah we believe you we believe you yeah the younger you are and the older you get the more I believe your own Ghost Stories the younger you are and the older you get oh like if you're a child or an old person okay okay I thought it was like you talking about the same closer you are to death death or birth which is basically the same thing the astral yeah closer you are to the astral Realm to returning to it mhm or coming from it I feel like I believe those stories more I agree not that I don't believe any other stories I believe all of them believe you but yeah I would never listen to someone even like someone with dementia I I would never be like oh my God they're just you know it's just a thing I'm like oh [ __ ] they're probably they're seeing people now they're communicating well I'm glad you had fun at the party I had a great time great time my feet still hurt it's two days later and they're freaking my fingers here come on up my ankles oh my God look at them do you want massage my

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tree my tree trunks are resting you want me to give you a foot massage well I have that massage in an hour so you're fine I'm paying someone to do it do you like people touching your feet like if I were to touch your feet right now would you be weird no maybe should I try it it's no look at the tattoo on your hand that's what I'm trying to say you said no and I I'm not going to do it you said no and I respected your boundaries you said no why did I say it like that so speaking of ghosts and believing

Recapping the Philip experiment

in ghosts mhm we left off last week because this is a two-parter talking about Phillip the ghost which was created or conjured by thought yes humankind we concluded part one of Philip the ghost on a bit of a daunting Cliffhanger intentionally uh the fear that perhaps in creating the spirit that was Philip gave way to an entity that took on its own life its own will and had thus created something that they no longer could control I feel like the words you're saying are scary but there's beautiful birds singing outside the window so I'm

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like one part of my brain is like la la la and the other one's like o spooky scary it's a real Frankenstein story I am going to begin this episode with a short video it is a little bit of a compilation so basically I'll get to this later but at a certain point in the experiment they did start to go on like TV shows and radio Publications to document this and they made a documentary and so this video is a short compilation of moments from that documentary so you can listen to it in the audio version and you'll there will probably be moments where you're like ah what's happening but you can also go over to YouTube and see the video it's only 30 seconds okay hello philli are you there good morning Phillip good morning Phillip hi Phillip come on Philip louder here comes the microphone it has to be louder Alan won't buy it come on Phillip come on what I hear right under the microphone philli right here Phil right here

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no doing it over come on louder louder louder when did the Transatlantic accent die out because this is in the 70s and it is thick it is thick I did not think it was really around then I don't know maybe they just felt that way cuz they're on TV I don't know come on Philip Philip Phillip they're Canadian too so I don't know I also did add the spooky music to the back so to recap a little bit I highly recommend that you go back and listen to part one before listening to this because part one gives you a lot of the context leading up to what I will share in part two but as a brief recap in 1972 this group of eight sought to prove the power of psychokinesis to see if they truly could conjure up a spirit purely from the power of thought by 1973 they were discouraged and sought to switch tactics from meditation to now Seance

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communication by January of 1974 the group had experienced communicated with and witnessed such powerful paranormal phenomena that they were now sharing it with audiences they were taking their Frankenstein invention out on the road to show off its tricks they made a documentary which you can watch the whole thing on YouTube I downloaded the video and I'll put it on patreon it is really hard to understand a lot of it you are so you just disassociated I did so where did where did you go where did you go I was thinking about antiquing at Brimfield I was making a list of things I wanted you were a million miles away and I was like creepily smiling while I was doing were I don't know what you said to be fair I was giving a recap so as long as you paid attention for last part I did I got back oh my God see these are the things that I catch when we're together just agreeably staring off in I think if

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I had stopped talking you would have just continued to stare and not have noticed I think I was also like maybe even starting to move my chair away from yoube you were kind of I was ready to go look out the window sorry welcome back riving stuff let's let's return to the the interesting paranormal material k k has rejoined the chat okay so again I'm going to reference the book Conjuring up fillet an adventure in psychokinesis the most amazing occult experiment of all time written by Iris M Owen with Margaret Sparrow in 1976 that is the book that I read and utilized for a lot of This research now you're really engaged I can tell you're like yes blinking blinking making eye contact yes nodding my head okay so now here's the new stuff MH where we left off Philip had not yet been conjured as a full body Apparition and that's what the members of the group were seeking so their ultimate goal had not yet been

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manifested because visually they couldn't see him they were feeling him cuz he he attacked what's her name Denise Denise yeah so he had been able to communicate with them and answer yes or no questions he had come into his own shown his personality and was further able to manipulate the table almost moving it as if it was a human body or possessing it of some kind which possessions might not always be bad it's also like a Costco folding table which is just such a bizarre thing to have haunted they did also do experiments with other types of tables wooden tables metal tables and he was still able to manipulate those objects yeah so it just didn't matter it matter didn't matter the material my question is I wonder if I didn't write any of this but the way that the table did pin Denise like I'm curious if Denise was thinking about dorotha or like something that wasn't audibly communicated or if something in Denise's life just resembled Dortha you

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know yeah because he did really like Sid right and was curious about new people and with the table would move to someone who was new in the room to be like who are you like a dog sniffing a new person yeah so maybe she did have kind of like a dark thought yeah passed through her or it's just Phillip Gathering or whatever it is gathering all the energy that it can and it's starting to test the waters to see how they'll react to some of the violence I know that perhaps this Spirit or entity always wanted to throw their way because Philip seemed keen on exiting the room Philip seemed to have his own mind his own needs and his own wants but fortunately or unfortunately depending on what you wanted the story does not take a dark and twisted evil turn as I may have suggested it did at the end of part one it does have questionable things that happen but the group was very intent on setting boundaries and rules and a lot of it I think had to do with talked about this a lot but setting intentions

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and because they had manifested Phillip in all of their manifestations of him and their meditations upon who this man was they were under the belief that Philip was a good person so they were not worried about him and even if they were the group to be safe was like we all agree that Philip is a common decision and so anytime we speak to Phillip it has to be as a group as a whole MH and Philip has to be invited to speak to us okay so they're setting boundaries boundaries meaning they could carry him anywhere that the whole group was but they would not be able to summon him individually which is actually really nice because then when they go home right they're not being haunted or singled out one person being attacked or one person trying to use him but that's forious reasons you can all agree upon that but that doesn't mean everyone in the group is obeying or following that rule well and also how do you know that Philip is going to exactly Philip didn't agree to that or if he did it I mean rules change yeah I don't know but so

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they did say to Philip that he was not to visit individual members of the group he was only to appear at the request of the group as a whole but if Phillip wants and now is his own entity that would be frustrating yeah which to me is kind of reminiscent of Frankenstein or poor things where it's like yes you created me but now I am my own person right so why do AI horror movies too where it's like exactly or just children like your yes your parents birthed you at a certain point they've taught you everything you can learn and you do need to fly out of the nest or go start your own life yeah and you're not meant to be controlled you're just want to be taught life lessons these are the boundaries they set with Phillip and as far as I understand for the most part Phillip obeyed and respected the boundaries and this group is still seeking a physical operation so they're like okay we're communicating with him and we're conducting these sances we're learning so much more about Philip but how do we

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get a full Apparition so they're doing all these thought experiments they're reading again you know historical Tales of physical manifestations of spirits like what was done in those seances what was done in those practices to see if they could treat Philip the same way and then thought forms and hallucinations became a big topic of discussion because this group had been spending so much time together that they almost formed a universal Consciousness amongst themselves like they became so in tune with one another that they started having shared dreams really yes so then this experiment kind of added this whole other layer where it's like this group created a spirit but now also what did this experiment cause to these eight members right because also I mean if they're working so hard to open themselves up and conjure this thing could they just have accidentally essentially became little baby of their own and they're all reading the same

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energy right like all of that already existed but now they're accessing it yes and they're so in sync with one another they I mean Beyond becoming I mean it's very fortunate that this group became so close because it's very easy for like a group of eight people to have conflict or you know drama but they all became such good friends right and just opened up this whole other aspect of questions that they didn't really know how to answer but now they're like okay we're

Group consciousness and dreams

sharing dreams like they would come into their sessions and someone would be like oh man I had a wild dream and the details would be exact to one another they don't live together Beyond these experiments maybe they went and grab drinks and stuff but like they don't live together and they're having shared dreams I wonder what the dreams are about there were any messages or like hidden meanings or if it was just a random dream cuz like my mom and I had a random dream one time at the same exact time about like all of our family like trying to escape like a coyote or something that's so weird which is yeah it's random and it just happened exact same night but like there wasn't any

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real meaning to it that we could right attribute to the dream so the book doesn't say that or document any of like what the dreams were it just because I think this was an element that they didn't anticipate coming up and wasn't the the focus of the study but it was more of like this experiment now has posed these other questions it also makes me wonder about shared dreams are shared dreams truly shared dreams or is one person dreaming and the rest of the people are observing the dream yeah or someone's so Frau with emotion based on a dream that they're experiencing that they're projecting that feeling out and everyone else is picking up on it yeah but anyway so they're they're like okay we're we're experiencing this and this experiment has made us tap into each other in this way like how can we utilize that to manifest again physical form like we're almost close to experiencing a group hallucination if if you can say that so they were like how can they create a hallucination that is seen not only by everyone in the room but also people observing so that was what they were

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hoping to utilize and in my mind I'm like what if they all closed their eyes this is a question of like had they not drawn the picture of him had they all at this point closed their eyes and visualized Phillip would he have appeared in the same way exactly and it could have even been the woman Andy who drew the photo of Philip in the first place it could have been her projection of him being shared with everyone right you know I know that's why I said in the beginning of the last one like I wish that there was no image but again to your point we still wouldn't have had the answers because if they're already sharing the dreams if they're already like somehow synced up with their Consciousness we don't know how the we have no idea authentically like if that's how Philip is truly existing as its own entity and manifesting choosing to manifest or or if it's someone else's influence and vision yeah oh no answers so as they're again reaching for this goal of a physical Apparition they do experience physical anomalies so there

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would be lights flickered there would be glares in the video lenses and it seemed like he was interacting with the physical space but not appearing in full form so then it evolved into positing the question if they could not conjure the physical Apparition of philli could they maybe conjure the astral projection of a member of the group of eight if one or more were not present so basically if they could create an imaginary person could they create a physical operation of one of the members who's not there I love that this experiment never seemed to really stop it was just like well what next right because this opens so many doors you're right yeah it's almost like an experiment that creates more questions than answers yeah which I think a lot of science does that where you learn one aspect but then you're like well then what does that mean about X Y and Z right and if you already have a group of people who are already in sync and experiencing these things together right like what if you tried this experiment with a group of eight people who are in completely different places in the world where you give them all the same information and every day

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at the same time they're doing like manifestation meditations would they be putting that entity out in the world like the book club you were talking about right exactly or it's even reminding me of Harry Houdini and some of the work that he was doing to try to investigate where he was like putting himself and his wife in different areas and like attempting to to kind of crack the code on right magic beyond what he was capable of but like actual see this is why I I I would never be a good scientist because I get so overwhelmed Med and bogged down by the questions yeah cuz then I'd be like but this and then my brain would you do the next experiment that's you have a whole Journal justed but then I wouldn't be able to know which one to start with because there's so many that I want to understand anyway so the idea here is

Astral projection and theories

basically if Andy is not there one day could they all will her to be there and create a visual hallucination of her what happens to Andy like does she feel some tingling is she actually suddenly really tired and falls asleep in that moment and she asro projects again more questions more questions and so they're

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using examples like there's something called the night nurses syndrome and they reference this in the book but there's this whole study that apparently a lot of nurses who would work the night shift you know by the end of the shift or any shift I guess really like by the end of the shift they're long shifts they're exhausted they're tired they're like doing their final tasks whatever there are recorded experiences of nurses witnessing themselves do doing something from an outside perspective whoa so like astral projection yeah I did have that happen to me many months ago but I wasn't sure if it was technically like what would be considered dissociating but is dissociating also just a form of astral projection I disassociate all the time but I'm still conscious it's just my eyes and like my physical body kind of go into like as if I were a robot and I'm paused I felt like my whole body was pushed forward and I was kind of like zooming back and I was almost like

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watching myself do something and was like I was still actively almost like talking and and having the conversation but my brain the whole time was like I can't believe I'm doing this like this is so strange and I had like another monologue happening like basically watching yeah myself but I was awake that happens to me all the time I don't always see myself but I'm like conscious of almost my Consciousness and my physical yeah I didn't like see myself see myself but my behind me and I was watching myself well then there's also the examples of people when they're driving you kind of go on autopilot where you're like oh my gosh I don't remember the last like 10 minutes of the drive but I know I was driving it and I was conscious and I was Weare but like yeah you turned right you stopped at lights you did everything signaled to change lanes you did everything but it almost felt like your soul wasn't there yeah yeah anyway there's also this story of a school teacher who was teaching her students in France and it's kind of the same experience she was teaching she teaches every day she was writing on the

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board and a student looks out the window and goes sees the teacher out in the field the same teacher that's at the Blackboard out in the field picking flowers I swear you covered this on another episode did I I feel like this was some like weird alien abduction it was part of one of those episod I don't remember this at all I really like this is I remember this or something similar enough okay there might be something similar like children and a school teacher and it happened within the classroom and they like all witnessed something happened but I thought it was sort of like a doppelganger situation maybe it was but basically they see the teacher out on the field picking flowers and they all now notice it because like the other students all look the teacher even sees it and then when they go outside to look she's gone and so the belief is that this teacher who you know kind of goes on autopilot and is teaching every day is dreaming of picking flowers out in the field and Ash really projects and actually does it so was I just inrim field picking out my you might have been I had a handful of

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candal labras while I'm actually here also trying to listen to the story right so these studies are now making them question how can this influence their experiment with Phillip and then they also turn to evidence from history like the fox sisters and many other Infamous psychic mediums and tablet tapping experts but then they also like I said poses a lot more questions than answers and mostly this is the biggest question if if they did in fact create philli then what does that say about all other paranormal Encounters in the past and previous contacts and Communications with the dead would this then prove that all paranormal encounters are actually created by human mind and thought form does that mean it's actually all a shared hallucination and they didn't seek to state that and why can't that be some of the like there with all these questions it's like that could apply actually to maybe some paranormal encounters that doesn't mean all of them into that box like all squares are

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rectangles but not all rectangles are squares right it's also those questions are assuming that they did actually conjure a spirit successfully and it doesn't take into the to consideration some of the other questions that we'd asked before about like timelines are calling upon details of past lives or other influences that we aren't consciously aware of and we just assume because the experiment went in saying like create this fictional ghost and see him and then stuff happened that that was successful but very much there could be a million other factors at play here factors that we don't understand which they're seeking to understand but because we can't understand them there's no way to say with certainty like there could be a spirit there that's like o I'll be philli exactly we cannot determine the cause no experiment failed but so this was like the questions and they weren't really seeking to answer that or to state that there was just more of like hm and as a group they were like let's continue to preserve this open-minded attitude and believe in the

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afterlife but also perhaps state that seances tabl tapping and those types of movements that occur at sances could have the logical explanation of the power of thought so by the end of the

Scientific findings on the mind

experiment they concluded the following the Toronto group produced wraps and table of movements of an apparently paranormal nature in full light in many places with different tables they did not designate any one person as a special Communicator nor they believe any single member of the group to have medium or psychic powers more so than any other member of the group they do not believe that their Communicator was actually a discarnate spirit their common focus of intention and attention was an invented character a product of their own imagination in the just two years plus of their experiment they produced wrappings and table movement and just once Philip levitated the table all four legs were about half an inch off the floor and there multiple Witnesses who

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saw this okay that makes me believe the table tilting a little bit more because there was they all have their fingers on so there's always the question of like is someone unknowingly like a few of them unknowingly getting excited and kind of applying too much pressure and so it's leaning one way but their fingers are on top of the table Not underneath it right so for all four legs to come up it truly levitated because there was no way for balanced fingers on top right to like sticky finger pull a whole table up correct and and the hard thing with this is regardless of how you're filming it it's hard to catch that because say you're filming from an angle a little bit above you can only see the first the front two legs up right or you can kind of maybe see all three but like you wouldn't ever be able to see all four unless you were you have eight people packed around a table like there's a lot of Limbs obstructing views but there were also times where the table would flip onto its side and then flip onto its back so it would go to many different positions but it was almost always touching the ground at some place but this one time for

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multiple seconds it levitated inches off the ground wow or half an inch off the ground it does make you wonder all of those spiritualism experiments where almost we can say with almost certainty that the majority of them were phony and faked it was like basically just a an act but it does make me wonder were there ever moments where stuff like this truly did happen and the person who was faking it was like oh my god well we talked about the fox sisters and I do believe they were experiencing true things but then they became this money-making scheme and you had to produce you had to so of course they turned to tricks and gags to do that they weren't the same sisters the fox sisters weren't the same sisters as the ones from like England that were photographing the fairies right those are different no those are different but that one was a hoax yes yeah so while they were able to prove the power of psychokinesis they could not expl explain how this group thought could be

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heard and recorded audibly and visibly so while as a group they conjured Phillip Philip now became its own entity that was creating sounds that audibly could be heard true yes so they couldn't and outside of the room exactly so it argues that it wasn't just a group hallucination it was a group mentally that physically impacted the reality of this Dimension so human thought can impact reality physically so the only thing that I'm truly taking out of this experiment is that we are a little bit in a simulation depending on like the definition of simulation where it's like can you alter energy in the course of sure or that we don't actually understand all of physics and the physical capabilities of energy created by ourselves like we can create energy and put CERN trying to smash particles into each other right right we are all just made of stard yes we are we are so beautiful so in the book they conclude

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that this energy was manifested by the collective thoughts of the group or energy manifested as a result of the group sharing thought but the question that is left remain on top of millions other questions is where does that energy come from because yes we are made of energy but now we're this basically states that a group can think up and create energy amongst themselves right and energy neither created nor destroyed so where is it borrowed from right but then it's like well this is kind of like witchcraft right where you're all together channeling I know witchcraft can be very independent study but there is like covens who utilize and share energy with one another to create something so it does bring up questions like how does this work did I tell you that there's a witch in the neighborhood I told you that is it not you there's another one no oh I think I told people on campfire stories when you missed it there's a witch in I was talking to neighbor and he was saying that he wished his wife was with him right then

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in that moment cuz she loves spooky stuff and podcasts so I was like oh my gosh I'm sure she's listening to some of the same podcast that I listen to then he's like you know that there's a witch at the end of the street and I was like what and that's all the information I really got so I need to do some more exploring you got to go door knocking I think his definition of witch like I think he was like you know I think she does some of that like energy work I was like riy he's like yeah like which but like one of us yeah just one of us the whole time I was just like great now I can make a little COV yes I'll be a part of it perfect okay the NorthShore coven so apparently and I didn't know this but they do know and we know that brain cells are continually generating an electrical force it can be measured and charted which I guess makes sense but they don't know where the force originates from so following the Philip experiment Dr Joel Whitten who was one of the overseers of this experiment began an experiment in connection with brain waves and then studying those brain waves in people who claim psychic abilities like astr traveling he was able to pinpoint energy

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patterns in these psychic people while they're awake that otherwise was only charted in like normal people when they were sleeping they tapped into an area of their brain yeah they were able to awaken the synapses were snapping snapping synapses wow interesting which otherwise is only activated when people are sleeping so maybe there is something to say that like the dream state which we've always kind of theorized is something more right this is interesting too because it's almost like it's reminding me of what's the book called It's like the psychopath inside or do I even have it on my bookshelf I'm wondering that one book where there's the neurologist I think he's a neurologist and he's studying different brain scans of psychopaths and trying to understand like what is activated in a psychopath's brain how like what areas are bigger or smaller or whatever and realized that he himself was a psychopath and wild and then it was just like him kind of reflecting on his life and talking to a lot of his friends and family and them being like this makes total sense and giving him so many different examples of Psychopathic quote

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unquote Psychopathic Behavior which when you say someone is a psychopath it does not mean that they're a murderer those are two different things different but we've just come to try to use that as a term but it is weird how like the brain doing different things can change your behavior right and then also like you can chart this but you can't quantify it necessarily yeah you still don't know how it works right it just you you see it's doing something you know that there's something there but you have no idea you can't like replicate it right and then the people who are experiencing it probably have been experiencing it for a long time that they're like this is just my life I don't know I don't know anything different how do you know any different okay so the Philip

Poltergeists and group energy

experiment came to a close in the summer of 1974 and the group decided to take a brief rest from their regular meetings and apparently in this break MH all eight members started to experience Poltergeist activity in their homes but it was that they weren't supposed to experience anything Soo but Philip's like hey when are you gonna come back I don't know but apparently it was very

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benign it was objects moving from room one room to another misplaced items reappearing in spots where they were like I swear I looked here a million times there' be sounds emanating from rooms and that no one is present in but the question is was it Phillip or was it other members of the group because this group was used to spending so much time with one another yes and also this group perhaps one of the biggest takeaways was less of an understanding in regards to the Paranormal but more an understanding of one another they became so close and so in tune with one another they truly could understand and feel one another's emotions feelings from miles apart like someone could be doing something or be going through something and another member of the group would be like I think I need to call and check in on so and so wow it's kind of like a mother's intuition that they talk about but it's just everybody right Al together so so interesting they started to believe that the polter activity had nothing to do with philli but with one another sharing feelings emotions or thinking of the

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other person like if I was thinking about you and wondering what you were doing and I somehow like projected my energy into your home because I was so intent thinking about you yeah it's making me like reflect on certain things that I've happened right well then in the book they start to like kind of ponder about polter Guest activity generally yeah and I'm going to share one story specifically about Poltergeist activity that like they were like what is Poltergeist activity and we've talked I was just going to ask like what is their definition of pter activity now I'm thinking Interstellar where it's like he pushes the book off and then his daughter sees the book fly off the bookshelf or whatever well I'll give you the example they use in the book is by the end of this they're now wondering about Poltergeist activity and what this says about it because yeah they look at this story of a single woman who's 22 years old named Annette and all the names were changed for anonymity but Annette was 22 years old living with her 20-year-old sister Joan and their parents Annette Joan and her parents had a history of poltergeist activity in

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their home from like childhood but suddenly it increased and it became much more physical and much more threatening and it reached a Peak at a period of time where the parents had gone out of town and so it was Annette and Joan both staying at the house by themselves their parents had gone on a little trip and when they were coming back Annette and Joan's mother was going into like a life-threatening surgery it was a very dangerous surgery there's a lot of fear of like is she going to be okay what the recovery will be like and Annette and Joan are now spending a lot of time together and Joan apparently had her boyfriend over a lot and these events seemed more active when Joan's boyfriend was in the house they would hear footsteps Annette would hear breathing in her room and one night the three Annette Joan and Joan's boyfriend were sitting in the living room when they heard Annette's bedroom door slam shut they all go to investigate and they cannot physically open the door oh I don't like that one night Joan was walking across her room when her hair was violently pulled back by an unseen

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Force holy crap then in studying the case it seemed apparent that Annette was very stressed out during the times of increased Poltergeist activity their mother was going into a surgery that was very intense MH Joan has this boyfriend and apparently at the time was talking about moving out of the house with her boyfriend oh and a lot of the intense things were kind of targeted to Joan the pulling of the hair yeah it was almost as if Annette was so stressed and anxious and fearful of being alone or people leaving her in her life that her energy was being projected and acting out oh this is making me think so much like I wish that I had some sort of record or way to look back at my childhood home because it's always been super haunted but it's been in big swings right where there will be a lot of activity for like a few weeks and then it'll be absolutely silent for months right the second that Annette addressed these concerns and her mother

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actually went through the surgery and was fine and recovered and was able to be healthy polter gas activity stopped so are we all just haunting ourselves right we can we not control the energy that we're putting out this is so which also you know why did I throw dirt on [Laughter] myself but it's it's so tough because it's like I I believe all of this can coexist like there can be examples of this act like where our energy haunts people or the same way where you walk into a room and you someone has bad vibes and you can feel it you immediately know you know when someone just had a fight the energ energy is vibrating in a certain way but then it's also like I do believe that ghosts exist and so why can't it all be true right because we have a million examples of people's loved ones coming and interfering or or helping them in some way visiting making sure that their their presence is known telling things about the other side exactly it's a spect it's a spectrum so by the end of the experiment this group

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of eight were like whatever this was we were able to create something together but it also created a bond between the eight of us that is almost telepathic that we are so connected with one another that without speaking without even being in the same physical space we can feel and almost physically be interacted with one another that is so wild and so it birthed in them a lot of empathy Dorothy began having some Clairvoyance and precognitive dreams and intuition after the Philip experiment can we just choose like an hour every week where you and I just meditate at the same time and like have similar prompts or whatever and like just attempt to connect can you imagine if we like never even had to text again we just check in I would love to do that next time I space off I was like oh sorry I was talking to Sabrina we're just talking to each other in our heads while talking to everyone else wait is she here I'm like no she's she's traveling right now on a plan she's on a plane they also believed that a singular

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person could perhaps leave behind such strong energy like they did with creating Philip MH but then also perhaps that says that upon dying a person leaves that same energy and then future people in that space could pick up on it so like a residual hunting in the book they all kind of wrote a afterthought like a what they learned from the experiment and it did seem the most common between all of them was that they were like I've never felt so connected to a group of people before they were so in tune with one another I'm curious what happened to them after the experiment like did they all get together sure out they're all still part of the cyclical research group so yeah or parasal group but so with this belief that polter dice activity could be created by human thought which is what they believed created Philip they were like let's test it with a new group because the only way to prove something is to continue to prove it it's part of the scientific method you have to prove

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and prove and prove or disprove over and over again was this only about the group of eight like was this like the magical group that could do it or could you teach it to any group of people I feel like we accidentally kind of did this with the community of 100% of our phants 100% and anytime that I think we also are so afraid of a haunting happening I think we do create it like when we did the episode of Greg and Dana's like haunted objects which comes out next week yeah I buckle up for that one don't well maybe this is because we at the end of the episode we were like guys maybe don't listen to this when you're doing this yes we'll tell you now next week when we cover some haunted artifacts perhaps choose the area and location where you want to listen to that you don't bring weird energy into your own home or if you feel like maybe your cars uh already on the wait instead of like clutch your pearls clutch your crystals

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clutch your crystals it's kind of hard to say it's twister clutch your crystals just be careful where you listen next week because stuff did happen it did but

Other spirit-conjuring cases

okay so this group now decided to put together a whole new group who again would invent their own completely different story and in different character from philli and they were to meet on a different night of the week in a different location and use a different table so they were basically like everything has to be different yeah same type of concept everything has to be different so this new group invented Lilith a French Canadian spy leth was born in Canada and went to France during World War II and became a member of the French Resistance unfortunately she was caught and shot as a spy o Lilith the Philip group they went from meditations for a year into the sanes this group The Lilith group now went straight into the Seance thing they had only been meeting for 5 weeks when they first began getting physical phenomena table tugging knocking Lilith

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would respond to their questions and fill in gaps of her own madeup story at the time of the book being written in 1976 the Lilith group was still in the early days of their experiment so there's more information a little bit a little bit more about the Lilith um but then they were like the question posited in the end of the book was in enough time can we put together the Lilith group and the Philip group and can these groups because they've been tapping in like this will they be able to have the shared telepathic connection oh or is it dependent on spending significant amount of time with one another basically understanding how telepathy and like empathy Works do you have to do I have to spend a million hours with you in order to have that connection with you or could I form that telepathic communication with a huge group of people and then be able to apply it to others in my life yeah I don't I don't know because I feel like there's again a million examples of both being true

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there's the people that can be sort of these like psychic mediums and do tarot and just get messages for anyone that's in front of them and there's other people that just have these bonds with specific people where they just for some reason are tapped in to just a small group of people or one individual person it also made me think of the injured cold episode and planet lanelos where they all communicate telepathically and it came out of a need for survival to communicate telepathically and is it a skill that we can learn and right because nurture on lalos are they just us evolved exactly which it sounds like we're already getting there yes so since the publication of the book and the Philip experiment other entities have been conjured there's Lilith Sebastian who was a medieval Alchemist and a man from the future named Axel Axel Axel Rose how far in the future because I feel like that's kind of a baby name now I feel this is someone who was just born I don't maybe they did create Axel

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Tucker and Olivia and Sophia then a similar group in Sydney Australia conducted a similar test that they called the Skippy experiment and this is a trigger warning the story that they gave Skippy is really really traumatic oh my gosh or did Skippy give it to himself herself herself so six members in Australia created their own fictitious character named Skippy Cartman Skippy was a 14-year-old girl who had sadly been murdered by an older man Skippy had been in a relationship with one of her Catholic School teachers brother Monk and she became pregnant she told him of the news and he was enraged and murdered her he then strangled young Skippy to death and buried her in a shallow grave beneath the floorboards of a workshed on her parents property which when discovered her body had already suffered so much decomposition that investigators were not able to establish that she had been with a child and the man responsible was never caught or convicted so they spent months following

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similar methods to the Philip experiment with little to no results but after switching the kind of table that they were using they apparently were met with many responses and then as recent as 2007 the group claimed to be still communicating with Skippy and that they would soon produce video and audio evidence but it's now 2024 and they have yet to do so yeah the Philip experience

Our own upcoming experiment

has produced so much evidence and many many questions and it curates much debate and conversation it also inspired multiple movies 2012's The Apparition and 2014's The Quiet Ones I will tell you right now the operation has a 24% on Rotten Tomatoes and The Quiet Ones has a 25% on Rotten Tomatoes okay so good concept perhaps not executed properly or well it does make me wonder if there's anyone who like right now is planning to recreate one of those experiments like try again well it sounds like people are still doing it yeah and these two movies do very much seem like our worst fears

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of what could have happened so The Apparition is once they contact Phillip or in the movie his name is Charles Charles is actually an evil entity that they accidentally conted up or called upon and kind of allowed in and then The Quiet Ones a professor and a student seek to prove or disprove the existence of the Paranormal by experimenting on a young girl who seems to be at the center of these strange occurrences at one point the girl's treatment and Trauma creates an entity that only she can see and goes on to attack every person involved in the experiments but that is the story of Phillip I'm like so lost right now thinking of this experiment and just I feel like this is one of those ones where it's blowing my mind and I just want it to be nighttime and to just sit outside and stare at the stars and contemplate what is life what is energy what is communication what is being a human what is the Paranormal it am I even actually sitting here right now how are the atoms that never touch but

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somehow form my body keeping me together that's C I can't think I can't think about that it's too much too far you've taken it too far how do we not go through each other when we like touch and the atoms not separate because they're vibrating so quickly so close to each other that we can't spread yeah and then how do you like make stuff like how do you make plastic chemistry it doesn't make sense no it doesn't also I just came up with our own scientific experiment what is it okay you and I and we've kind of already done this which is in the form of Spen but we didn't consciously do it now I'm coming up with this idea that we are going to consciously create a spirit and you and I on our own gonna get jealous well it's a friend for son okay you and I on our own are going to come up with a story none of you get to know we're going to keep it a secret and it's only between you and I we're going to come up with a story of sven's lover will'll come up with for for you Sven and give them a whole back story give them like a whole personality you and I will manifest and

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meditate upon this spirit and invite them to come into our recordings with us and to interact with our audiences and to see if our listeners experience a similar haunting without telling them any context of what we've created oh interesting okay I feel like this is actually works out really well for us because this episode comes out in August but it's May right now so we can start thinking about this and really like have months of trying to like project this into the world and then gather in the spookiest month in October and see if it works yeah and this episode people like what if people start emailing us all like consistent stories about stuff over the next few months and they don't know yet because this episode hasn't even come out okay well we have to start working on our invention today our creature today right now wow oh my gosh are you ready to spend hours and hours and hours with me where I stare at you like did your stomach just yes it

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did no it was the creature was the creature was the creature within all right well since last episode obviously I learned a little bit about what this was about so I tried to choose something a little bit more on the nose with what s's backpack just fell over but both of us are like how's that happen well it was standing for like three hours straight and now it's tilted it's already begun we haven't even thought of what welcome to the podcast hey Sven significant other lady we don't know what sven's into that's true honestly Sven Sven dabbled on tour Sven dated a lot of people feel like Sven has multiple lovers like Sven is like in an open marriage who was sven's that first date was with uh what was in Minnesota what was his name he wore that turquoise dress I forget their name I don't remember one venue had had a had a great date for him okay this is called the

Listener ghost hunting stories

family who ghost hunts together dot dot

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dot oh hey ladies I just want to start out by saying how much I love your podcast I just started listening a few weeks ago and I really enjoyed binging the episodes I also joined the patreon hey this was back in 2018 so Bessie are you still listen we made it so much better thank you for the sweet thank you note and sticker remember when we used to handw write them all hundreds of them yeah yeah I heard one of your recent episodes about ghost hunting and I I thought that I would share some of my very positive experiences with paranormal investigation and I'm sure that this is going to be a long email but I promise it's worth the read okay now on to my story great my parents both started their careers as Tennessee State Park Rangers so cool that's actually how they met back in the late 80s as Park employees they both experienced some pretty spooky [ __ ] and heard plenty of weird stories from other Park employees across the state over the years my parents kicked around to the idea of compiling the ghost stories of Tennessee State Parks into a book oh my God I hope they did that I would love to read I

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know fast forward to the early Ops when all of the ghost hunting shows were just starting to get really popular on TV MH we love watching them together as a family and one day my Dad decided that he wanted to try ghost hunting himself so fun my parents put their heads together and decided the perfect angle for the book idea would be to get permission to investigate the various state park locations and see if any of the stories of paranormal activity that they'd been hearing for years could be scientifically proven they asked me if I wanted to help and being the so cool I want to grow up in this house they write being the gothy Paranormal obsessed teen that I was and definitely still am at heart I said heck yes parentals let's hunt some ghosts over the course of my late teens and early 20s we investigated several sites in parks there was one site in particular that proved to be a hot bed for activity for us in Upper East Tennessee there was a historic home known as The Carter mansion built between 1775 and 1780 it is the

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oldest standing frame house in the state of Tennessee we decided a photo of it I know I want to look we decided to include it in our investigations because of the following story during the 2005 Christmas candle It Tour program a Park employee who we will call Bill for the sake of the story and his mother were volunteering that night and they saw a full body Apparition at one point in the evening Bill's mother found herself with a small group in the second floor of the children's bedroom she noticed what she thought to be a new mannequin of a little boy partially hidden behind the door a mannequin oh it looks so much fresher and newer than I was expecting it looks like I got a paint job yeah it's well kept yeah built before 1780 yes so 1775 to 1780 was the construction the 18th century style clothing that the boy was wearing looked really authentic and really well made and Bill's mother reached to touch the linen shirt oh as she reached out she jumped back when the child's eyes widened and his small body

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Drew back from her touch realizing that she just made a big mistake she apologized to the boy profusely and asked him if he wanted to come out and join them for the carolling that was about to begin but the boy vigorously shook his head and he drew further into the Shadows of the room but the fact that he stayed physical and didn't poof out of there so scared of her not wanting to frighten the boy further Bill's mom backed away and moved the group into the next room what all through the evening bill and his mom kept seeing this young boy hanging around the periphery of the tour groups there were other costumed interpreters volunteering on site that night so bill and his mom just assumed that maybe this little boy belonged with them right oh so they don't even know it's a ghost they would think it's especially because it didn't just disappear it didn't dis you would think it's and that is like a real like kids are startled by strangers a little bit then would be on the outskirts like I'm not sure now right and it's like if it were I don't know like a human man you might spend a little more time being like excuse me are you supposed to be here but a little boy like oh I'm like all right let's move on cuz scare you creeping out this kid and then you'd go into your head and

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be like why do I scare little boy what's wrong with me me at the end of the evening bill and his mom ushered out the public and the other volunteers and proceeded to close down the Mansion for the night the candles were extinguished the doors locked and they made their way to the parking lot to leave as they prepared to enter their vehicle both were startled to hear a small voice behind them call out Merry Christmas both looked up in time to see the figure of the little boy waving enthusiastically to them he grew to like them he Stood Beside the chimney under the window of the great room they waved back they looked at each other rather puzzled and then back at the boy and they were shocked to discover that the boy had vanished from where he had just been seconds before that's wild Carter family records from the 18th century state that a young enslaved boy was sitting in the open window of the children's Second Story room when he tragically fell 12T to his death oh poor baby this would have been the same

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window that bill and his mother saw the little boy standing under on the night of the Christmas program both believe that they met this boy that night wow after hearing a story like this how could we not investigate right the first investigation we did yielded some interesting results lots of knocks and Taps odd tingly feelings felt by several of the other team members including me unintelligible EVPs and some odd colorful orbs caught on camera the weirdest occurrence happened when we decided to try table tipping with a glass in the Garrett on the top floor bill was with us during this investigation and he asked the questions during this session we felt that any Spirits might feel more comfortable dealing with him since they spent so much time with him there as an employee of the par nice yeah Bill asked if the little boy who played with the Carter children was present and the glass moved tentatively at first but it slid halfway across the table did you fall ill and die in the house no movement did you fall out of the window in the children's room the glass remained still in a

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hushed voice someone suggested that bill asked if the boy had been pushed oh no were you pushed out the window of the children's room the glass began to slowly twirl and moved several inches across the table to the edge where it dropped off into the startled hands of those who were sitting there oh my gosh that's so sad I know they're solving a mystery too at the same time I hop that that wasn't true yeah an accident that's actually a murder most of us had tears in our eyes and major Goosebumps we placed the glass back on the table and Bill continued was someone angry with you did someone mean to push you out the window no movement were you pushed out the window on accident the glass moved in a wide Arc and then stopped we had our answer oh the next time we returned to the house to conduct an investigation we captured some very interesting EVPs among other things at one point that night we all decided to take a coffee break in the backyard and we left our video and audio equipment recording in the great room on the first floor when when reviewing the audio from that point we heard a strange noise like heavy iron

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skeleton keys jangling together after several minutes of that noise someone Among Us must have made a really funny joke because we could all hear all of us laughing outside while we were laughing the audio picked up a very clear child's voice in the great room saying rather pitifully they can't see me I think I think you can imagine our surprise when we discovered that gem while reviewing the evidence afterwards jeez the last experience I'll share is from our final investigation at that house unfortunately I was away at College during this time so I missed out on all of it bummer I know Betsy that's rude of your parents how dare they continue investigating without you at the time one of our friends Leslie who investigated with us was getting her Masters in parapsychology so cool she's also a certified hypnotist and her thesis centered on the hypothesis that hypnosis made people more sensitive to Paranormal Activity Leslie is so [ __ ] cool if you hadn't already guessed can we like have Leslie on the show right

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hypnotize us what other experiences has or experiments has Lesly conducted that night's investigation was actually going to be part of her thesis research so cool my dad who has always been a little skeptical but wants so badly to see a full body Apparition that he can taste it volunteered to be hypnotized the hypnosis chair was set up on the second floor Landing Leslie put my dad under and then asked him to look around and describe what he saw Dad said that he saw something in the shadows but he couldn't quite make it out as he was speaking he was interrupted and then suddenly said something just pushed me sure enough two of the team members saw and the camera picked up the back of the chair moving as if someone had just shoved it I mean he's kind of channeling yeah it almost seems less of hypnotized and more of a become an open vessel uh-huh very scary huh after that my dad still under hypnosis declared that he wanted to go upstairs to the Garrett so

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everyone moved up there a camera had been set up and a kickball had been placed in the middle of the floor in the center this weather makes me want to play kickball right it is kickball season now spring has sprung Nostalgia is like sent me to the like pavement out by the the lunch yard lunchroom and recess recess but it was during lunch pavement by the lunch yard the pavment by the lunardon as a child wait we we would bu a kickball on the pavement yeah and it was like during lunch so it wasn't necessarily recess oh I feel like ours was like lunch and then recess maybe it was immediately after all the kids could throw throw up my dad sat down next to the ball and proceeded to invite someone to play ball with him he then gently rolled the ball in front of him and rolled it out a bit wobbled slightly and then the ball slowly rolled back to rest in front of my dad's legs he repeated this a couple times until my mom stopped him she was skeptical that the old wooden floor was uneven and producing false results so she asked my dad to try rolling the ball

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out in a different direction he turned and he did so the ball rolled out it wobbled a bit and then it rolled back to rest in front of him oh my gosh my mom still wasn't convinced challeng she thought there must have been a dip in the center of the floor where my dad was sitting so she asked him to try it again in a couple of different directions all with the same results as before wow on the final try however my dad rolled the ball out it wobbled it started to roll back back towards him deviated from its original path just before it came back to him rolled all the way around him and then stopped dead in front of his legs after that wild after that display everyone was pretty convinced it wasn't just a wonky for we should go to this house I know this sounds so cool I also do appreciate that they're like okay well let's try everything cuz this is an old house like floor is dip it feels like an old ship when you walk through old like even my house it's like but the fact that they spirit is so responsive and willing to do all of it because I feel like granted we're very new and

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novice in our paranormal investigations but like you could have a commun like a form of communication come through and the likelihood of the spirit being able to repeat it or validate it is often hard yeah and I don't think we get that but it was so consistent with like okay I'm gonna do it again I'm gonna do it again oh you're still doubting me let me just let the the ball dance around these random patterns and then go right back to the mark the best part is all of the activity was caught on tape but that isn't all also we didn't get any excuse me send us the VHS I'll watch it I don't even think it was that that long ago VHS send us your Blu-ray DVD while the ball rolling was happening both the camera and Leslie's tape recorder picked up the same child's voice that we heard on the previous investigation clearly saying he likes me oh my hypnotized D was totally playing ball with the ghost kid lots of other stuff happened in our investigations at

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the Carter Mansion as well as those conducted in other Parks but since I've taken up way too much of your time already oh bets you could have kept writing something touched me what hello are we Conjuring Spirits right now either that or a vein in my finger like did a weird thing it almost felt like a wet tongue touching my stop but like a like a like a small tongue it's like a animal almost a worm cuz I I had wet dirt and now you're having wet wet Slither it didn't it was just like a weird like I was holding my hand like this and it almost felt like it was cold like it almost felt wet right here I feel like this is this is just the room that we have to just keep all paranormal activ room where it happened yeah oh my God I don't feel weird about it but I was just like that was a weird sensation I've got a whole thing of every time someone sends us a crystal or a sage stick I put them all in that so I got we've created a ghost worm TR to create a a haunting a worm just appears it hasn't crystallized

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yet I like it being a worm it's kind of funny yeah until it grows and eats us oh God I'm just picturing the worm now from SpongeBob I never felt threatened or afraid in the Carter mansion and none of us did personally I believe the spirits there are relatively happy ones and do not mind having visitors I do feel so sorry for the little boy though and I hope that he isn't too lonely in the afterlife he seems sweet regardless we haven't ghost hunted in several years but now that my dad is retiring and we'll have more time on his hands we might get the team back together my mom did give him an ovalis this year for Christmas Oculus maybe it was supposed to say Oculus AIS OV v i l s oh it's a ghost hunting box oh oh damn wait I want one now I don't even know what it does but I want one oh [ __ ] it's expensive that's why it's a Christmas gift we are now accepting abulous should we have a ghost hunting registry yeah we should our Amazon wish our paranal inves

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and avises yeah anyway thank you for reading my story and thank you so much for making an amazing podcast P.S I have my masters in photo history and I know a fair bit about 19th century postmortem and spirit photography if you ever have questions Betsy that's so cool see you on the other side Betsy I'm like Betsy you're my role model your whole family is my like dream family friends like par like oh my god what the circle you run in you got to get the game back together as ghost hunting family that could be a movie like the the family that goes ghost hunting together 100% it does sound like everything's very positive that they've experienced and we need an update what's going on with your hand they're just so like look at how my fingers are can you see can you tell how sausage fingers wow they're tingling which is why I looked oh cuz they're so swollen maybe I was feeling you're tingling maybe maybe it's working but okay Betsy we need to know

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if your parents ended up writing that book together and if not we are willing to help participate in the ghost hunting to help write this book yeah if your friend Leslie wants to hypnotize us aka me AKA Sabrina I'm open and willing and the volunteers tribute if you have any paranormal encounters if you've conjured a spirit perhaps or know someone who has or have theories about what that is please email us at two girl mongos podcast gmail.com you can rate and review wherever you listen iTunes Spotify iHeart wherever you can tell people about the podcast that actually really helps so for us but for all the other podcasts you listen to as well reading and reviewing and just word of mouth is super helpful and we're going into spooky season so this is the time to recruit people into what we say is a pyramid scheme so tell two people and then let's yeah let's figure out what ghosts are yeah or never figure it out but just keep getting ghost stories and be entertained yes are you not

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entertained exactly Gladiator is that what it's from Gladiator I think so okay thank you so much to our editor Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our audio and video and thank you to all of you for joining us each week we love you and stay tuned for the ghost that we're creating and we will see you on the other side me