Vermont’s Frozen People | The Strange History of Cryonics (Ep 211)

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very spooky hello can we talk about how you totally fell and knocked everything down and all I see is like oh no and then like blurred screen and then you left the zoom room and I was like oh is everything okay it is a super overcast day in Boston and for some reason that was affecting the lighting that we have because we record to post episodes on YouTube and yeah it was just too bright and so I walked over to to pull down the shades and I tripped over all of our wires and fell and

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slammed the computer shut so Sabrina heard just like and then boom I was gone but I'm fine okay over here honestly that's so much better than like something paranormal happening and you disappearing because I would lose I would start calling you type like over and over and over can you imagine I mean I feel like that's the most exciting possibility and yet also our greatest fear recording it's like what if we did experience some sort of wild possession or alien abduction or some sort of paranormal attack while we're recording and we capture it I kind of would love that especially I mean it was alien I got my flame a little bit yeah there's there's some possibilities we never never say never

Spiritual experiences

um I also have to tell you something well I okay so last episode um I told you about my experience with

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Joe and how it was like really really spiritual and he was like I think I saw into your third eye what I forgot to mention and I texted this to you yesterday so this is not the authentic oh first time hearing it reaction but you also didn't respond when I was like tell me everything and again just left me hanging yeah cause I'm sorry I didn't respond to hear it do you want to see how no I feel like you're just you're giving me click bait in our text messages is what's happening also I our click bait is for you to hear what happens next first this is two girls one ghost anyway here your ghost who says that is Corinne I am Sabrina I am terrible at texting I have 72 unread text messages at this very moment dang yeah I thought mine was bad I have like 10. but I thought okay it was bad but 70 something well I just deleted three because they

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were like we were what get 20 off anyway oh texting gives me anxiety and to then I'll go I'll get to a phase where I hate seeing the number and then I'll just open everything and I don't respond to them and I know that's wrong but it's hard life is hard communication is hard anyway if people really need to get in contact with you they can call you thank you yes I agree um and I might ignore the calls you might but what's important here is that you're having a spiritual awakening yes okay so with all those Cliffhangers

Energy and intuition

what I forgot to mention last week about my session with Joe was when there was a moment where he was doing his work and I felt so much tingling in my hands like like so much energy and he was like whoa he's like what he goes the she is swaying and I just got like a breeze of cold air videos there's no AC

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in here there was nothing to cause it moving he's like I think there was some Spirit of some kind that entered the room whoa okay so not necessarily because I I first thought I was thinking like maybe your astral body like you were pushing it because you were moving energy but he thinks it was someone else you had a ghost literally moved the sheets on you while you were getting like Chiropractic work done it could have been my energy it could have been a spirit guide who knows maybe the more I do it best freaking thing ever yes I'm so glad that you're going to this because I feel like every session you come back and you have a story something's happening the wildest part is that none of this I didn't go to Joe thinking I was gonna have a spiritual awakening with him I went to him because my body hurts all

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the time and and he is healing so right I am getting a lot of bonuses out of this experience but this is actually an incredible past few months for you because if you think about it so you had done your trauma therapy and what was it was like EMDR and all of these different things that you experienced and I feel like you had so many breakthroughs there and so you were really coming into yourself and then you go from that to just another thing that you think is just self-care and it ends up opening you even more yeah like I feel like this is just like the perfect succession of things all the pieces are aligning and you're about to just be like a master astral projector or something you're going to meet your spirit team finally well remember I saw like the the four and then the one um but

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I think our horoscopes for 2023 did say it was going to be a year of coming into our abilities

Life updates and classes

um also for all of you out there who continuously say I am pregnant I am currently bleeding and in so much pain yes everyone thinks you're pregnant always I am on my period And I am doubled over in cramps so because your body hurts and so you say things that other people are like oh that happened to me when I was pregnant but but my body just always hurts my stomach is always You're not Twisted in a nuts yeah my mind is always wacky yeah I'm working on that anyway what's new with you have you had any paranormal encounters no I have not had any paranormal encounters

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but let me pull up this text message because I don't want to get the name of this course wrong one of my old co-workers who was very experienced with everything like Shamanism energy healing muscle work uh choose the one that that will go into the ancestral or not ancestral the astral plane and help pick pieces of people's Souls up and bring them back yeah and to help them heal away trauma and everything so she had texted me the other day and she was like oh I'm taking this awesome class on ancestral Legacy and there are so many ghosts that need our help to cross over and I was like what tell me everything and so she called me and she started to tell me a little bit about it and I won't even get into like all the specifics of it now but basically we left the call being deciding that I was going to take the class with her and I was just in three sessions

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so I have to catch up on one of them because it's online and then we're doing the the third session in the second session together so I'm

Manifestation and goals

gonna have a lot to report a lot of new knowledge and it's going to be so great to do it with her because it's it's her uh whose name is Amanda and then one of her friends and Amanda's obviously super powerful and intuitive and just super connected and her friend is sort of this natural psychic medium and so they both bring forward two different perspectives to the class and then I'll be the one who maybe isn't into necessarily with my power but can can bring to the conversation what I've learned from this podcast yeah everyone else's stories so we're kind of like this is such a fun Trio to do the class together because it is online so we don't go in anywhere we just buy the the class and like watch the tapes and discuss and whatnot is this something that anyone can sign up for like what's the information like how

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do how do people let me tell you once I get it yeah okay because I imagine yeah she's gonna send it to me she she messaged me or earlier today so about sending me the class okay well selfishly send it to all of us AKA I send it to me yeah because we can all discuss this this sort of yeah actually this would be a fun thing for us to do on patreon Sabrina is actually discussing yeah I mean of course we can bring some of some of it here to our our weekly feed to everyone but it would be interesting to kind of do like deep Dives and like regurgitate everything we've learned which could be an entire hour like Korean to be honest knowing us when we get excited about a topic or something that we've learned we cannot hold back and we talk about it time and time again so it is foolish of us to think that we would not come to this podcast weekly after immediately learning all this stuff

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[Laughter] Amanda had sent me a bunch of recommendations for Reiki classes which I'm I'm evaluating because I really want to go in person and there's a lot of teachers locally to New England who have stopped doing in-person classes or the classes that they do have are like you know three months from now and a date that I can't do so I'm still kind of on the search for doing that but I do want to get into it I think I'm going to retake Reiki level one because I was 17 when I took it that was 11 years ago wait how old am I no 29 12 years ago that was 12 years ago um so I'm going to retake Reiki level one probably just online and then I'm going to seek out a Reiki level 2 and Reiki level 3 class in person because I just feel like it's so much better to it's energy feel other people yeah yeah it's like when you walk into a yoga class I don't know if this happens to

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you but this happens to me a lot where I'll walk into a yoga class and before we even do anything my back will just like crack like everything will just go into place oh does that happen no not to me oh really I feel like it's the it's the energy of the realm it doesn't happen in every yoga class but when I was doing Core Power Yoga it happened to me a lot a lot interesting mm-hmm you feed off of other people's energy yeah that's interesting it is fascinating hopefully we'll be like these powerful beings so will be witches someone emailed us the other day and of course I'm sorry to this person because I don't have your name handy but they essentially said that they hear us speak they've started at the beginning and they're like listening to early episodes I'm realizing you guys speak a lot into existence a lot of the things that you say you want to do become real oh and so I feel like it's

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hard for us to look back at that sort of thing which is kind of the point of our January or the first week of January when we look back at our horoscopes from the previous year and reflected on it but I will say yeah we really want to do a live tour this year so we'll manifest that but my hope is by the time we get there you and I will have tapped into certain abilities and we'll be able to bring like a whole new piece of spirituality to we show we can like group Reiki everyone like move a spiritual ghost in and out of the bar or space

Home design and aesthetics

um okay I love this idea also speaking of how we did manifest things the biggest one that I remember us doing when we first started the podcast it was August and as we were approaching October we were like oh how cool would it be if we could work with Universal

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Studios Horror Nights oh yeah and so we reached out like you know we just found emails on like the interwebs like the easy ones it was like yeah Universal yeah um and so we emailed them and we're like you know we're not gonna hear back and we didn't and then two years later or three years later whatever it was we got reached out to by Universal Studios Horror Nights yeah that was and we went we got sent to Florida I know and we got like VIP tour of the whole thing tour because it was yeah Halloween yeah that was incredible I was actually thinking about that yesterday I was thinking about the hotel that we stayed in and it was all yeah like 50s retro and it was so cool yeah there's there was this house that Brian and I had looked at because we're we're house hunting but at this point it's been almost a year and it's a slow

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process I just don't have enough money so one day I will get that house but we were looking at a house the other day that I think this is why I was thinking about this hotel it had the most incredible bathroom from the 1930s and it's not my style at all but I was so Brian was like oh we would have to redo this bathroom I'm like I don't know though like it's so cool it had Brown tile all around like Square Tile which you would think kind of ugly and it yeah would have been had it not been paired with this awesome floral print wallpaper and it had a yellow sink and a yellow toilet yellow toilet yes it was so cool it was so cool I was like no I want to keep this as a time capsule if we were I mean the reality is we couldn't we couldn't get that house um but we still fantasized about it and I

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was like I don't want to change this bathroom I know it's too cool I feel like there was a period of time I don't know if this is like it was in the Zeitgeist or if it was just what was popular at the time but like the modern new you know pristine look was something that I was very attracted to but the older I get the more I'm like why would I want that that's so boring and lame and like Cookie Cutter everyone has it I want yeah to I want people to walk into my home and feel like they transported through time into like the I don't know 1700s 1800s I want a Victorian Vibe I want my bathrooms to be like dark and Moody I want a lot of sconces beautiful yes old oil paintings in Gold frames yeah I want massive like floor-to-ceiling bookshelves which I've always wanted

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um but I want this to walk through a very traditional style I love the like white and black tiles in kitchens I just oh yes like the the what oh God what's it called like basically like a checkered floor yeah exactly yes I want that too and I want terracotta floors in certain areas ah God there's so many things too that you're like limited to if you live in certain climates like I don't know with terracotta even hold up in New England with all the salt and snow that comes in with you I don't know but there's I love that sort of stuff too I think I used to similar to you be very attracted to the more modern look but then I've lived in so many apartments that had that now I'm craving a lot more like I guess a different type of character character charm yeah that's

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why it's my old Beacon Hill Apartment it was so Charming well you'll find us everywhere you'll find it not even Charming I know and they were like I love the sconces that are little lamps like the little tiny lampshades on them I had that in my Beacon Hill apartment and the shutters that are just the wood shutters that are just on the bottom windows I'm putting beautiful wherever I end up if they're not there I'm getting them we have age very pretty we have age and it's a beautiful thing we're almost

Evolution and perspective

30. people say your 30s are some of the best times of your life and I look forward to it because I need some positive good best shifts and I don't know I just think it would be interesting to also look back on the beginning of our podcast not only for when did we manifest that came true but also just who we were as young little babies with our brains still not fully

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developed and who we were what we wanted and how that's changed I think we haven't documented our Evolution as human beings totally and it's always one of those things where like I thought about it the other day because twice in the past month there have been I've been near a lot of college kids and thought that they were in high school and now I feel old and I'm like whoa It's so wild to think about how I thought of myself and my choices and how I was so mature and I was such an adult and I still think of myself that way but then when I see what people looked like I'm like I I couldn't have been like how did anyone I know in the workplace respect me like I looked like a infant Maybe such a baby but it's one of those things where it's like you feel a certain way in your brain but you look another way and then when you look back on things you're like wow I can't believe I was thinking about myself this way but now

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like as an older version of me looking back I didn't know the answers I didn't I didn't I wasn't prepared for that yeah why did I experience that before I was ready to you know things like that yeah I completely agree I wonder what it will be like for us in five years to look back at this moment right now and we won't do that because we always forget everything we say wait oh that's true before we get into your story because I'm really excited to hear about it I have one quick thing that I remembered that I wanted to share with you also something I learned with Joe he was telling me and this is really fascinating and I feel like we knew this but never really put it in this context so when people say trust your gut it's because and Joe was explaining to me that our bodies actually know things that are going to happen before our brain does like our bodies are so connected to our

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spiritual like you know astral selves that it knows it stores information in your body that takes longer to get to your brain so for example Deja Vu often times our body experiences what's going to happen next before we actually experience it so there was one time specifically I remember and I think I shared this on the podcast and it was super super small but Nick and I were walking to go see a movie and I was wearing a shirt that says I hate mornings it's like my blue sweatshirt and I see this guy on the other side of the street walking towards us and I had just this I knew intuitively that he was going to comment on my sweatshirt and as we got closer sure enough he commented on my sweatshirt and I was like how how did I know that something within me within my body knew what was going to happen next

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strange like I'm trying to understand Deja Vu is it because sometimes people are like oh well maybe you experienced this in another timeline or you can see the future but is it is deja vu actually just us aside from when people dream things is it just like that the information is traveling in atoms or whatever right to us faster than our brain can process like we're I don't know this seems like a really big delay you know because you have time to think about it it's not just like a Split Second there's also I mean we've talked about this a lot where time is not linear so if everything is happening all at once then in essence the moment of the man commenting on my sweatshirt is happening at the same time as my brain registering this man is

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crossing the street I believe he's going to comment on my sweatshirt because it's already currently happening yeah

Animal instincts

this makes me want to lay down and look up at the stars at night and have this conversation oh man yeah yeah sometimes yeah I love these conversations but because we never have actual answers to them they they end with okay yeah uh-huh well it's kind of like I was watching a video the other day of cows lined up in a single file line and people were like oh my God something's happening with the cows the crows all this stuff but all the farmers were like no cows line up when there's a storm coming like they they know the storm is coming like they're getting ready to come inside or like you know maybe they're just about to be fed or whatever but it made me think about the well I feel bad bringing this up and totally cried about it earlier this week

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about all of the devastating earthquakes that have been happening again turkey and just throughout the world too but especially turkey is just so so awful but I remember watching a video a few weeks ago of a dog that began howling 10 minutes before the earthquake one of the earthquakes oh hit and so it is interesting like we are animals humans are animals and so is our trust the gut sort of the same as a dog picking up on the the shifts or cows understanding the barometric barometric pressure changing like are these what's the difference scientists let us know I don't know I don't know it's a fascinating animals we need we need an alley board to do an ologies all on this right oh someone who can understand like exactly

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what that means like how technology yeah yeah I don't I don't know who knows the instincts I'll email her after this

The beauty of Vermont

okay are you ready for this I am I have a bigger zero clue okay I've I'm really excited alrighty well we are going to my home state of Vermont it's well let me hold up I'm back backing up because I said Vermont without a Vermont accent there's no tea in it okay so we're going to my home state of Vermont it is a beautiful state with the Rolling Green Hills that are alive with the sound of music it is where the Von trap settled after they fled Austria you can go to the trap Family Lodge some bratwurst and get some locally made beer it's great and people travel far distances during Autumn to catch the Flaming Reds and the glowing yellows of the Falling Leaves of Vermont it's one of the best places to see foliage in the

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world Leaf peeping Leaf yes Leaf peepers is what they are called I remember in college when your mom would box and send leaves to you and then you did it you did it for my brother when you moved oh and then I did it for you yes yes my mom would in the fall because I was so homesick in the fall I get really homesick in the fall for Vermont and my mom would go out and collect the really pretty leaves that fell in our neighborhood and put them in a box and ship them to California and I took tape and I taped them to my wall and I did not take them down even when they turned brown and crispy yes I remember that I remember yep and then kovid I sent all of our friends in California some leaves just to you know covered was tough trying to cheer everyone up with some color and it was nice and it was lovely it is

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nice and if anyone wants to go to Vermont to peep some leaves my suggestion is uh plan to do that a year in advance and book all your travel and stay then because yeah it's really hard everything books out like a year it's so popular yeah peeping season yes yeah I have a whole itinerary I can get people okay more about Vermont because it's my it's my time to tell everybody about my home state Vermont is the number one producer in the U.S of maple syrup which is used on everything ah we put it on our soft serve ice cream which we call creamies c-r-e-e-m-e-e uh we put it on our brussels sprouts as like a side dish for dinner it's on everything can I real quick grab my maple syrup and see if it's from Vermont yeah okay totally Show and Tell show and tell okay I do believe that is that from Whole Foods yeah I think that's a

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Vermont one okay it says product of USA and Canada but I want to know where in the USA hmm oh and it even says try adding some to ice cream roasted brussels sprouts and root veggies or mashed sweet potatoes there you go for our friends giving one year I made meeple mashed potatoes in college so you really can't add it to literally everything put it in yogurt in in the morning there's just so so if you haven't tried maple cream growing up my family would go to Canada to ski every winter to Matra Blanc and I want to go there it's so beautiful um and they had I don't know how they made this but I think they boiled maple syrup and then they would put it over so it was like more syrupy like thicker and then they had this like ice

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platter that was outside like truly like packed snow really densely and then they would pour the boiling hot maple syrup on a like in a strip and it would get like sticky and then they would roll it up onto a popsicle stick and you just had like maple syrup lollipops that sounds so good it was and I I want to master this because I want it I crave it it sounds so good I need to try that I can't believe I haven't you can't believe that doesn't exist anywhere that I've been to in Vermont because they should start doing that they should but well Canada is the number one world producer of maple syrup and then the little tiny state of Vermont is second wow which is pretty wild yeah we also have the most micro breweries per capita we have beer and cheese that have won World Championships and we've also made Billboards illegal nothing can take away from the beauty of our state Billboards are illegal you will not see one in

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Vermont mm-hmm nope you're really selling EV I mean I'll speak for myself but I imagine everyone else is like one I'm I'm hungry now and two I want to go be in Vermont hey and we also don't have tolls on the roads so you don't have to pay to drive through because we don't want to take away from your experience and also if you're a resident you are going to be taxed up the Wazoo in many other ways I was just gonna ask what are taxes like it's expensive it's a very expensive place to live yes uh Vermont smells magnificent pine trees apples Maple and wildflowers this is what makes up Vermont's fresh air fresh air also being Ben and Jerry's secret ingredient so if you go on the Ben Jerry's factory tour and they ask you for the secret ingredient the answer is fresh air from Vermont wow it's an incredible State and was the first state to grant women partial voting rights abolish slavery and allow gay unions Vermont once put out arrest

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warrants for George W bush and Dick Cheney it's a state where you'll run into Bernie Sanders while grabbing a burger it's also the only state that won't allow McDonald's to open a restaurant in its state capital Montpelier so you will not find one there the only state they're very Pro small businesses yeah Healthy Living calm nice gentle lifestyles so anti-big box stores okay if the promise of covered bridges small quirky towns shaded Adirondack chairs and the smell of a wood burning stove at the edge of the garden hasn't sold you on the state of Vermont yet Perhaps this

The frozen people legend

will Vermont is weird it was its own country for 14 years it has a cemetery specifically for retired Ben Jerry's ice cream flavors there's a lake monster affectionately named champ which Elena covered when we did our Crossover with morbid yeah and vermonters freeze people

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for the four months of winter and bring them back in time for spring I'm sorry what say that last part again that's right this is not a Hallmark movie this is a horror story okay but really I need we need more emphasis on that sentence to yeah okay say it again we are going to dive into the urban legend the vermonters freeze other vermonters for the four months of winter thaw them back out in the spring just in time to start their gardening okay is this willingly or is it unwillingly okay it's willing I mean if I could opt in to skip in Winter I would do it right just see you later you deal with with uh the freezing cold temperatures and trying to survive the 1800s in Vermont not me so it's December 21st 1887. and the

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people of Montpelier Vermont are about to be rocked by the news plastered on the front page of the Montpelier Argus and Patriot it's an expose of a family who lived just 20 minutes out of town a family who ventured into the world of Cry Of cryonics the author who went only by the name am happened upon a journal written by his uncle William skimming the pages of his family history this reporter laid eyes on something he couldn't quite believe entries in his uncle's handwriting about a strange and near-deadly family ritual his family members froze the elderly and thawed them back out in the spring I so I'm going to read you this entire article okay it was a column in the newspaper front page okay it is called a strange tale by am I am an old man now and have seen some

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strange sites in the course of a roving life in foreign lands as well as in this country but none so strange as the one that I found in an old diary kept by my Uncle William that came into my possession a few years after his disease the events described took place in a mountain town some 20 miles from Montpelier the capital of Vermont I have been to the place on the mountain and seen the old log house where the events I found recorded in the diary took place and seen and talked with an old man who vouched for the truth of the story and that his father was one of the parties operated on the account runs in this wise so basically the article is like this traveler who happens upon this journal from his uncle and goes and explores what had happened in that town but now we're reading the actual journal entries from his uncle William January 7th I went on the mountain today and witnessed what to me was a horrible sight it seems that the Dwellers there

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who are either unable from age or other reasons to contribute to the support of their families are disposed in the winter in a manner that will shock the one who reads this diary unless that person lives in the vicinity I will describe what I thought it's persons four men and two women I'm going to omit the word that they used but they're trying to describe someone who has some physical disabilities the man with physical disabilities about 30 years old the other five passed the age of usefulness lay on the Earthly floor of the cabin drugged into insensibility while the members of the family were gathered around them in apparent indifference in a short time the unconscious bodies were inspected by several old people who said they are ready they were then stripped of all of their clothing except for a single garment then the bodies were carried outside and laid on logs exposed to the bitter cold Mountain Air the operation having been

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delayed several days for suitable weather it was night when the bodies were carried out and the full moon occasionally obscured by flying clouds shown on their upturned ghastly faces in a horrible Fascination kept me by the bodies as long as I could endure the severe cold soon I could stand the cold no longer and I went inside where I found the friends in cheerful conversation in about an hour I went out and I looked at these bodies they were fast freezing again I went inside where the men were smoking their clay pipes but silence had fallen on them perhaps they were thinking of the time when their time would come to be carried out one by one they at last lay down on the floor and went to sleep I could not shut out the sight of their freezing bodies outside neither could I bear to be in the darkness but I piled on the wood in a cavernous fireplace and seated on a shingle block past the jury

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night January 8th so a new entry okay day came at length but did not dissipate the terror that filled me the frozen bodies became visibly white on the snow that lay in huge drifts around them the women gathered about the fire and soon commenced preparing breakfast the men awoke and the conversation began commencing Affairs assumed a more cheerful aspect the men awoke and conversation began commencing Affairs assumed a more cheerful aspect after breakfast the men lighted their pipes and some of them took a yoke of oxen and went off towards the forest While others proceeded to nail together boards making a box about 10 feet long and half as high and wide so basically they're building like a coffin of sorts okay when this was completed they placed about two feet of straw in the bottom they then laid three frozen bodies in the straw then the faces and upper part of the bodies were covered with a cloth the Morris draw was put in the box and then

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the three bodies placed on top and covered the same as the first ones with cloth and straws they're just piling that six people three in one box right with straw covering them putting something over their face and like nailing it shut also this poor guy like why was he even there to witness yeah that I I have quite a few questions but okay yes there's gonna be a lot yeah there's a lot to dive into here there totally is boards were then firmly nailed on top to protect the bodies from being injured by carnivorous animals that made their home on these mountains by the time the men who went off with the ox team returned with a huge load of spruce Spruce and Hemlock bows which they unloaded at the which they unloaded at the foot of a steep ledge came to the house and loaded the Box containing the bodies on the sled and Drew it to the foot of the ledge near the load of bows so they've now put these Frozen family

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members that they left out overnight to freeze to death after drugging them yeah in wooden boxes covered them with straw nailed them shut three people per box two boxes the guys with the ox are now loading up these boxes and they're bringing them to nearby the house but to a very secure and frigid area where the bodies would remain cold I just one question it says that they put them in the boxes and nailed them shut to PR to keep them safe from any carnivorous animals that roam the region but prior to doing so they left them out nude for an entire evening yeah they all went to bed right that's an interesting that's a really good call Sabrina it's not really adding up what's happening here because they're so concerned about them but and yet they leave them right

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outside the door unsupervised for 12 hours as they sleep and and and the fact that this is my smallest question about the entire situation is it says a lot hahaha I mean it's pretty messed up yeah but also amazing because think about well maybe where or it's like trying to do that actively right now with science too so if they actually did figure out a way to freeze people and bring them back that is fascinating yeah but I have a lot of questions there's there's a lot of questions it's yeah I mean this is why it's an urban legend right like it doesn't allow no it's truth Corin there is no such thing there's always truth in fiction yes these were soon piled on and around to the box and it was left to be covered with snow which I was told would lay in drifts 20 feet deep over this rude tomb

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we shall want our men to plant our corn next spring sarigongish looking woman the wife of one of the Frozen men and if you want to see them resuscitated you come here about the 10th of next May with this agreement I left the Mountaineers living and Frozen to their fate and returned to my home in Boston where it was weeks before I was fairly myself as my thoughts would return to that mountain with its awful Sepulcher turning the leaves of the Diary the old man recounts he came to the following entry May 10th I arrived here at 10 A.M after writing about four hours over muddy unsettled roads the weather here is warm and pleasant most of the snow is gone except here and there are drifts in the fence corners and Hollows but nature is not yet dressed in green I found the same parties I left here last January ready to disinter the bodies of their friends I had no expectation of finding any life

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there but a feeling that I could not resist impelled me to come and see we repaired at once to the well-remembered spot at the ledge the snow had melted from the top of the brush but still lay deep around the bottom of the pile the men commenced work at once some shoveling and others tearing away the brush soon the boxes were visible the covers were taken off the layers of straw removed and the bodies Frozen and apparently lifeless lifted out and laid on the snow just like that they just took out the Frozen family members they're still frozen just put their little blocks of ice bodies on the ground and then large troughs made out of Hemlock logs were placed nearby filled with tepid water into which the bodies were placed separately with the head slightly raised boiling water was then poured into the trough from kettles hung on poles nearby until the water was as hot as I could hold my hand in

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hammock bows had been put in the boiling water as such quantities that they had given the water the color of wine which what are Hemlock bows I think it's just a I think they're just taking a hemlock tree and creating this sort of like bathtub out of the wood gotcha but if we think about hypothermia today if someone's hypothermic the worst thing that you could do for them is to put them right by a fire that's like the number one thing you're not supposed to do because they're the same way similar to like like the opposite if you like spill hot water on you you should never put cold water onto it right yeah so the idea that they took these fully frozen bodies and immediately put them in near boiling water to warm them yeah Wild I mean just everything you had to kill someone 101 like either of these well

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choices I mean let's add to the fact that these bodies have been frozen for how many months but four months but the uncle in the beginning he recounts being so cold that he could barely handle it anymore so he went inside when these bodies were first being frozen and now he's saying that this water is so hot that he can barely keep his hand in it and how are these then break I just don't know flesh to go through let me tell you that it's pretty wild and I still have so many questions about why Uncle yes there because I think he's just like a little peeping Tom like witnessing people just throw out their their relatives into the snow and he's just like creeping by the tree line being like what the hell is going on this is a murderer I'm witnessing but he was there like he was invited to him he was invited he's been night and I'm like what are you saying to these people Uncle William because you're saying what they're saying to each other and the comments that they're making but are you not raising any

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alarms here yeah what I'm ah okay Uncle William we need more from you what happens next oh I will tell you okay after lying in the bath for about an hour so only an hour does it take for frozen bodies to come back to life color began to return to the bodies when all hands began rubbing and chafing them so everyone's just giving them a little friction rub down this continued about an hour when a slight twitching of the muscles of the face and limbs followed by Audible gasps showed that the life was not quenched and that the Vitality was returning Spirits were given in small quantities and allowed to trickle down their throats so they're then taking their Frozen and ancestors relatives their Frozen relatives putting them in boiling water then rubbing their bodies for an hour and then pouring alcohol down their throats as they're gasping for breath

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wow soon they could swallow and more was given to them when their eyes opened and they began to talk and finally set up in their bathtubs they were taken out and assisted to the house where after a hearty meal they seemed as well as ever and in one wise injured but rather refreshed by their long sleep of four months truly truth is Stranger Than Fiction that was the article that was published

Fact versus fiction

okay well so this cider yeah finds this diary from his uncle and it's like Jesus what is this okay but where's the journalism where's the investigation into the story I mean the writer attempted to investigate right like he found the Log Cabin where his uncle had witnessed oh he did okay yes so he found the log

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cabin and he was asking around about this practice and he found one guy that said oh yeah that was my family who did that and that is factual my dad is actually someone who would be frozen in the winter months like we don't do it anymore but yeah that's we did that why would they stop I think the reason that they did it originally was because this family lived in a mountain town on a lot of Farmland there was a lot of them it was the early 18 early to mid 1800s when this actually like was said to have happened and they were super impoverished and so to be able to make it through the harsh winter and to feed as many people as we're in their family seemed near impossible and they had a greater chance of all surviving if they froze part of their family and then thawed them back out when it came time to start their Harvest again it's just so fascinating for a million reasons as we've just been talking about

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but like the ice box I just looked it up wasn't created until like 1802 or like just like even the smallest model the home freezer or just a freezer the concept of a freezer wasn't invented till the 1930s so for this advancement of yeah cryo cryonics whatever it is yeah cryogenics was somehow manifested and created before the time of these other inventions just right boggles my mind and it feels like there's witchcraft involved it does I mean I guess the same could be it does because it feels so close to where we are now that we're like how how if there was a family that was doing this in the mountain town how did no one else know about this or how did no one else raise the alarms or I mean having lived in Vermont it is a very it's a small rural place and even if you live in a populated place there's so much emphasis on community and

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sharing things and like I mean eating local like everything is it feels mom and pop Everything feels not insular because it's it's that's not the right way to describe it but but there is a lot of community you know all your neighbors you know everybody in your town so it would be strange for me to think that this was happening for one family and I'm sure a lot of other families in the community were struggling just as much when it comes to surviving and having enough sustenance and money and all of that and so I can't imagine this one family would keep the secret and the other families if it worked wouldn't take on the same approach but it seemed to stay with just this one family unit and then we're just supposed to assume everyone else who knew about it just ignored it well then also what is what's the trial what was the trial and error process I I just want to know like when it began how did they figure it out yeah how many

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people died what what is the key is it something about the the sedative that they gave these people before doing the freezing that actually helped them and what was it what sort of slow poison okay well actually this is reminding me of two things one mid-summer remember where yeah people have reached a certain age they well that's that's gruesome yes but it is interesting it's like in this family they adopted something similar where it's like when you reach a certain age or when your Mobility is of a certain level where you're not a key contributor to surviving the winter are then Frozen until spring how did William phrase it reached an age of let me tell you it was so insulting yeah it was so rude like use uselessness yeah yeah no longer useful um

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uh past the age of use usefulness so how rude totally rude totally rude let's talk about wisdom and knowledge right storytelling I mean Perhaps Perhaps the thought was you know like these are maybe it's the older people who taught the younger ones how to survive through the winter and it's but here's what you have to do to my body here's who you have to pack away for four months pack away right and it's hibernation back it is it's human hibernation and they bring them back in the spring to help it has to just strictly be about food because yeah they're bringing them back in the in the spring to help with the farming to help with the planting and and every all the housework so clearly everybody is able to contribute it's just it must just be like the months that we have to survive on our potatoes and soups there's not

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enough for 12 people in this family we can only okay is this top six is this family like are they vampires that's what I was kind of thinking I was like this feels very other worldly like yeah they're not full human but then again this also reminds me a bit I mean obviously these people weren't frozen to death but do you remember God three years ago or something we did an episode where we talked about the zombies in Haiti where right wasn't it in Haiti where people would be given this drug this sedative that would slow their heart rate so much that they would appear to be dead right and then there would be a burial so none of their family would come looking for them and this is real like this isn't yeah this wasn't like a oh this is an urban legend this is this was real yeah and they would have a funeral or they would just be fully kidnapped and presumed dead

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um and then those people would be brought back to life and basically enslaved and so they would always be kept at a certain level of but being drugged I guess uh I don't know with what because I can't remember where they weren't able to like I guess run away or fully process what was happening to them they were truly enslaved and so this kind of reminds me of that it's like you can slow the heart rate down you can slow the body down and also actually doctors too do this I can't remember exactly what it's called but there is a process where um I think it's after head trauma or something where where they will cool someone's body down and slow their heart rate for like 24 hours basically to ensure that there's no swelling around the heart or the brain to basically reduce it so it's like but but it's not freezing people for four months right like no one's done right they're just their bodies slowing down so that the

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swelling and everything can go down you know what else is in a hospitalized setting right so that's very monitored and supervised but what else is interesting is that when people have organ transplants the organs are transported in ice or in like an ice box which is interesting because our internal body temperatures are warmer than that so what like it is a form of keeping it cold to preserve it which is like the story of I guess you can find the in between of how cold is too cold where the cells begin to fill with fluid and rupture and die or it's too warm where you begin to decay right yeah like where is that in between where you can keep all the tissue when the cells and everything alive and maybe maybe it's impossible maybe that's why

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we haven't quite figured it out yet well but this is why again it's even more befuddling to me that this community was for reason it's not like it was controlled whatsoever it was truly just all right it's the full moon and it's cold the weather is the weather is cold weather there's no control four guys two girls like get in get in your boxes grandma Merry Christmas my mayor it's almost time to put you in a box and freeze you till spring thank you for for my stocking of oranges I really appreciated it now go be gone be gone hibernate it's truly yeah it's truly human hibernation okay so I was asking myself how is this freaking possible uh and I guess we can't say Never Say Never but it doesn't make a lot of sense

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because there are no cases of humans being frozen for months and then coming back to life and even the couple of times people have been basically Frozen and completely hypothermic for a day and survived those are super rare cases there's only less than a handful and they're considered miracles when exposed to low temperatures our core body temperature will drop our metabolic rate will decrease our heart rate and our breathing will slow and our body will begin using fat deposits to fuel the body this hibernation Works in an extent to for certain animals but in humans we can't simply just put ourselves in a cold box and live the cells will die apparently you can apparently but here's another thing it says I read that the cells in our body begin to freeze at 31.1 degrees Fahrenheit winter and Vermont whole lot colder than that right so how were all of these again are they vampires like how did their how did their insides not rupture

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that's okay so I mean my knowledge of vampires a lot of it comes from True Blood and Vampire Diaries but in Vampire Diaries um there are the vampires that are trapped in their coffins for decades and when they're finally opened they're still alive but they're just like kind of decayed until and like wrinkly until they drink blood again and then they are revived yeah mummified versions well I guess going off of that so let's say that your body can slow down you can utilize your fat deposits and you can your body can protect your vital organs for four months in the cold let's say that that's real if that existed you wouldn't warm up in a bath and be completely fine after right there would be a lot of Limbs amputated because you'd have I think about Everest people come back and they have like one toe left right

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yeah and that's when you're like fully clothed and have taken so many precautions and even taking those precaution leads to amputations but these people are stripped nude right yeah they're stripped nude and also I'm like man I wouldn't want my family stripping me nude no I don't want anyone to see me dude I don't even want to see myself nude I need my my a decency cloth before anyone freezes me I'm noticed when I want to be yeah I was gonna say I feel like you have talked quite often about being a fan of the nudist colony it's weird because I'm totally the naked neighbor like I'm fine with being naked in front like in apartment living not knowing who's seeing me naked but if I know the person who sees me naked then I feel uncomfortable strangers can see me nude but no one who

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knows me that's fair that's basically the role in my mind yeah yeah okay so I was I was uh looking into this a little more because I'm like how the hell does this happen and there be no complications after being unthawed that seems like a fairy tale and it pretty much is but there are cryogenic Laboratories that are now accessible to people who have enough money to try to bring themselves back to life after death but so far given the damage to cells during these freezings there have not been any success in waking Frozen people and also we're not even freezing the whole person working their brains right in America I believe there's about 300 some people who have been frozen thus far uh and none brought back yet so my question is those people who have been frozen what is their age are they dead when they're frozen or yes I think it's

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a part of it's like a part of your your will I guess you know like so kind of like people say Walt Disney oh I want to be cremated yeah but apparently that's a rumor I don't know I've been listening to Frozen head morbid's new podcast and I think the Walt Disney one was a rumor well it's a legend we don't know but someone might know it's a legend someone might know but I think it's like when you die if you've already signed away all these things and they can get to you in time if you're if you're you know not dying in the wilderness and found 15 days later you'll be that part of you will be transported to this cryogenic laboratory okay and you may or may not be brought back you know there's no promise it's new technology yeah new medical advances that haven't actually Advanced because no one has been brought back I'm sure they've

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learned many things but right I mean most people have technically fully died who've donated themselves or or not really donated they've paid to be a part of this because that we didn't figure it out yet so well that's what I was gonna say it's so expensive think about people who freeze their eggs and the maintenance of what it costs to store them what would what does it cost to store your body I want to see what the well it's just your brain I think I want to see what the what the inside of one of those Laboratories looks like is it just a bunch of frozen brains and tubes it's like walking through in an aquarium and there's just you go through there and then there's just like floating brains everywhere and I imagine they're like connected to a weird tube yeah oh

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weird it feels very Spy Kids and then even if you can bring uh like the neuro I don't know like their neurons and the energy back to the brain if your soul is not connected to it what does that mean for your brain like is it just like a weird zombie hard drive of you right because are they technically I mean if we're freezing brains to try to bring them bring the Consciousness back what does the Consciousness look like and is it in a suspense suspended State like is there still something going on or is it completely shut off and then we'll be turned back on somehow okay Allie Ward should do an episode on Cairo cryogenics and someone who works yeah in the field I would love to pick their brain oh I know it's wild

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like we're living at a time when this is an experiment maybe by the time it's happening would you want to this already happened would you want to be brought back no no me neither give me a fresh bod yeah I'll be back but just not in this one yeah maybe the next one can uh have a better metabolism please for love for the future if that's so much to ask please I just want to eat mac and cheese with no repercussions I just want to eat pizza for every meal oh yeah wouldn't that be lovely it would until then that's where we want all of our money to be the research should be there not with freezing people and bringing them back please come on all right so how did this family in rural Vermont preserve and bring back to life their

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Frozen family members after a four months I guess how did this family in the 1800s master cryonics and how did no one know about this until this Anonymous reporter am found his uncle's diary I want to say on that note we actually wouldn't have even known about this newspaper article at all had it not been for another guy who kept the original newspaper article in a scrapbook this scrapbook had been given to him I think by his mom and his name is Albert Stevens he's a or was a formal former Sawmill owner in Bridgewater Corners Vermont and the Scrapbook that he was given by his mom had all of these old newspaper clippings and he was flipping through it you know passing some time interested in the old old clippings what was going on 40 years ago that his mom found interesting and put in the Scrapbook and he was like what the hell is this

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there's this yellowed newspaper that doesn't have the title of the newspaper at all doesn't have any information on the date but it was this story and so that's the only reason we know about this story was because this guy Albert Stevens he reads it and he's like what the hell is this family who froze their relatives and why don't we know about this why is everyone talking about it so the story didn't really reach super far though it did consume his thoughts for many Winters after that and so he took the newspaper clipping to the Rutland Herald in 1938. so this is 50 years after the article was even published right and he was connected to a reporter Bob tuckman and Bob published the story once more so he brought it back to life just like the dead bodies were brought back in the spring oh look at you you writer yeah

Confirming the hoax

came straight from my brain

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it's not frozen it's alive despite its processing abilities this time the story reached audiences outside of Vermont being featured in Publications like the Boston Globe Yankee Magazine and the Old Farmer's Almanac of 1943 just to name a few and then author Charles crane would often read this story on Vermont radio so people who were listening it was kind of like the Art Bell radio so people that were listening into Vermont radio the whole state uh would sometimes hear this man retell this story read it just as I did but probably better maybe he had different voices for different parts I don't know so concerned and intrigued many people started beginning many people sent letters of inquiry to the state capitol to Montpelier to be like what is up with his family that froze their family members we want more information on this spooky dookie

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newspaper that you published 50 years ago but there were no solid answers no one quite knew whether the story was true or false but in 1949 Ronald Robbins of Vermont went digging and he flipped through Ronald Roland Robbins of Vermont went digging and he flipped through old newspapers at the State library and finally he found it he found the actual newspaper so that's what I was getting all the information yeah so he went back I mean can you imagine how painstaking that is to go through that but how fun how fun but it's also you know like it's not like internet where you can just swipe or scroll like he was going through and I'm sure putting things on projectors and and looking for words that matched and whatnot so I think and the fact that there's there was no newspaper name on top of the article no date nothing and what the newspapers come out every day

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he just had to I guess look with the Montpelier area knowing that the article said it was 20 minutes from Montpelier So yeah thank goodness for him thank goodness for him so he found it it was originally published in montpelier's Argus and Patriot and apparently the original article didn't cause as much of a stir as we would have thought is it perhaps because the community knew who the original author was am a mystery to us but maybe a neighbor too many back then did everyone know that this was a fictional story made up for their Amusement during the cold harsh winter months or was this old news did everyone already know about the family on the hill who froze their relatives while I'd love for us to continue to enjoy this urban legend and to think that my cool fun keep it weird Vermont State uh freezes people in the winter there's a piece of evidence that hints that this very much was a hoax no not necessarily don't do this to me I know

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I'm sorry Karen Mabel Hines came forward and stated that her grandfather Alan Morse am was a Storyteller and writer who wrote the article and her mom published it as a surprise birthday gift for her dad Mabel's grandfather she says that he would tell the story all the time at family gatherings and picnics she said quote each time it was told something new would be added or changes made to make it sound more weird and strange by the time grandfather got around to writing about his story and entitling it a strange tale by am it was years after he dreamed it up and had relayed it for the very first time so while the Frozen people of Vermont may be an urban legend perhaps one day it will be a possibility for humans hmm and also I mean it does make sense what she said about her grandfather like

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telling this really fun story to pass the time about oh my neighbor's freeze people with one of his many stories and having it published and the reason why it wasn't causing asterisk because maybe am published many fictional stories that was yeah his uh okay poem that he occasionally had it is just weird that it was front page news like which also speaks to Vermont I think a bit of just like nothing else big was happening so let's put this great story on the front I will I can vouch for that there's not a ton that happens I mean one of the great things that my mom used to do aside from sending leaves is she would take she's told that she takes pictures of the Morning News sometimes with the and it's like moose leads officers to weed farm like like it's like random stuff like muskrat steals from neighbor's blueberry bush like it's there's nothing I mean there's not nothing but there's I mean it makes there's a lot of drugs

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there's a lot of big heroin problem but uh otherwise there's not enough to fill up a whole newspaper with wild stories right of local stories yeah I it makes a lot of sense hearing about Vermont and I've been to Vermont many a time but hearing about your experience in Vermont and what attracts you to Vermont makes it makes so much sense that you want to live in the woods and in your little cabin away from everyone because I think that's just what you grew up with in Vermont I was just with my brother in Houston and he and I were walking along the river that goes right by Houston the Bayou the Buffalo Bayou and we're both like we really hope that we have a moment this summer where we can both be in Vermont and float down the Winooski River because that's one of my favorite things just getting in my tube floating down the river takes five hours to go

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one mile and it is so peaceful can you do that before or after your wedding yeah I wish you could come to my bachelorette because then we could do it I know you can do it well you'll just have to come like dead of Summer sometimes okay I'll come again and we'll go we'll do it if only my cousin weren't getting married I know on your bachelorette weekend curse we should do a combined birthday party for you and I one year where it's just you and I floating down the river it will be our podcast anniversary I do love that our podcast anniversary is like so perfectly between our two birthdays like literally smack dab it is perfect it's the perfect time to celebrate I love it um but that yeah that's the Frozen people of Vermont I will report if that ever becomes a reality again because I'm sure if it is Vermont will report on it because

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there's not much else going on also if you know how to freeze yourself for the winter months let us know if you're a vampire let us know um shockingly we do not have a story

Pizza party ghost

about the Frozen people of Vermont no one's Frozen anyone and watch them come back to life what what no so I I picked a story that I think appeals to both of us first great it is about Vermont and secondly it is about pizza so our one our one true I mean aren't we pivoting research away from cryonics and two ensuring that everyone can enjoy cheese and pizza and yes macaroni as much as they want right or finding a way to create like plant-based cheese that truly tastes like real cheese and melts like real cheese I agree

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um I uh there's so many new vegan restaurants in Boston and I've been trying many of them and oh vegan cheese just not it it's not the same but there's some that's delicious I really love um I've mastered the vegan macaroni and cheese but it tastes different but it's delicious like it's with a lot of nutritional yeast why do you look like that because I'm just thinking of of one that I tried like a week ago that was not good I'll make I'll make it for you are you gonna be sad though I don't like it yes no I won't I wouldn't I wouldn't be I wouldn't be offended I think I just I've learned I really don't like cashew oh I don't like cashew either I do um walnuts okay because I don't like cashews either it makes a huge difference okay

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okay yeah yes okay so this is from our listener Kelly it is called Pizza Party Crasher I recently discovered your podcast and I'm binging like crazy I thought I'd share this sweet little experience with you all my house in Vermont sits a slap on the road maybe 10 feet or so away our road is popular with hikers and Walkers and most days when I wash dishes I look out of my sink window and see people walking past they usually look in and we exchange waves so Vermont so Vermont my sister Tracy was visiting us one July and after a long sightseeing drive we got home and she my husband Pete and I stood around our kitchen island eating a pizza right off right out of the box because we are dank that way that's also the best way to eat pizza I'm also trying to guess where they live I'm like Charlotte for gents I'm like going through all the towns that I know to be popular with main roads and hiking at

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the same time you act as if Vermont is like one little tiny Town one neighborhood it is um wait can I just can I interrupt for a moment yeah have I told you this yet that when I when I was at my friend Ben's wedding this past New Year's Eve the New Year's Eve Eve was like the welcome drinks welcome party and it was downtown on Church tree at a Halverson's and Bernie Sanders was in there having dinner like a normal person and every person from Vermont didn't bat an eye which is saw Bernie kept moving on because we've all seen him he's taking pictures of him he's been to our school he's been on the side of the road picketing things like he's a regular character in life in Vermont he's just your neighbor but you could tell who all the plus ones were because they were oh my God oh my God sneaking photos like it was the most

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Vermont thing ever so cute all the plus ones were so excited to see a Vermont celebrity I mean also he has become a sensational meme so regardless of Bernie and his political stance yeah you love Bernie gotta love the guy okay uh Kelly says I glanced over to the sink window and noticed my neighbor Sherry walking past I waved to her she was looking back and forth into the kitchen in a curious way and I thought geez nosy she hadn't met Tracy yet so I assumed she was wondering who she was she waved and continued on her walk by the time she came back from her walk we were outside and I called her over I introduced her to Tracy and made a remark about our classy standing Pizza dinner she said I thought it was a formal Affair and I looked at her and at Tracy Pete and myself because we were all wearing dark t-shirts and shorts formal I asked puzzled

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she said well yeah who is the older gentleman in the white shirt and tie I asked what man she insisted that there was a man in the kitchen standing around the island with the three of us that there were four of us and this man was wearing a white shirt and necktie oh Tracy and I exchanged glances and said no one was there but the three of us she insisted that there was a man there about Pete's height and then changed the subject my neighbor is not spooky in the least a very practical and pragmatic New Englander not prone to flight to Fancy I knew right away who that extra guest was later I asked Tracy her thoughts on who it might be and without hesitation she answered dad our dad wore a white shirt and tie six days a week before he retired he passed away two years ago and the day of the stand-up Pizza dinner was July 10th our dad's birthday he celebrated with us

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happy Birthday Dad keep up the good work ghouls uh and see you on the other side Kelly wow um Kelly said PS just listen to The Haunted toy episode it was great but I have to tell you I'm great friends with Robert the doll and the toy he is holding is a lion named Leo wait you're great friends with the doll we need more information Kelly Kelly was holding some some more stories from us yeah but how amazing I love I can only imagine how confusing it was for the neighbor to be like huh there's this man who's like I presume he probably was laughing enjoying the pizza dinner hanging out and she probably was watching him interact with everyone but no one acknowledged him and then she was yeah who was that guy and then when she realizes she saw someone who wasn't there she's like backtrack don't worry yeah I'm running home

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ah I do love it it's so interesting how the three of them were in the presence of the spirit and didn't know but that someone on the outside looking in could see him right right so interesting but I just love thought that he was just standing around and really enjoying the dinner you know like can't you just picture your your dad after work and his in his attire and his suit just hanging out at the kitchen island coming into all the activity that's already happening around you know just take it and it was to look around and enjoy your family and it sounds like it was Tracy's first time at least at this house so it was these two sisters bonded and reunited again maybe perhaps in a long time I don't know it's also on his birthday it just seems like this beautiful moment that their dad would want to be a part of um

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feel like that's a great place to visit in the afterlife because there's so much activity with people walking by and hiking and there's just a lot to see out the window I'd be happy as a spirit to just hang out with my kid and watched life outside the window shocker in Vermont you oh I remember turning into my grandpa I noticed myself a lot looking out the window and holding my hand holding one of my wrists behind my both my hands are so pensive yeah and I'm just like looking out oh squirrel oh look at that what kind of bird is that like I've I'm already becoming but Karen that's beautiful you're slowing down and taking in the beauty of the world around us which I feel like we don't do enough so I think that's very commendable and yeah uh I think there's a big thing too a simpler life right we're all experiencing a bit of burnout or have in

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the past yeah I think me and my 72 unread text messages could uh concur with that yeah let's go back yes back does not mean or simple does not mean back simple yeah simple can be the new Norm yeah totally yeah I agree wow uh I wish we could talk about Vermont every day we should do uh an encounters I think we did this in the past but we should do a Vermont themed encounters and then we could do a New Jersey James encounter I love that idea yeah um in terms of keeping it simple there are a few simple rules to follow in supporting our podcast the first is email us your ghostly Supernatural paranormal Cryptid encounters to our email which is two girls oneghostpodcast gmail.com and then tell all of your friends about the podcast because this is a pyramid scheme and we need everyone to get lost

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