325. GHOST FLIGHT | The Vanishing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 | Part One | Paranormal Podcast

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They boarded just after midnight. A two-year-old clinging to his mother's hand. A couple on their honeymoon. 20 engineers heading to Beijing for a technology conference. And a man on his very last work trip before retiring. It was routine. A redeye, clear skies, and the Boeing 777 was manned by a very experienced crew. 239 souls were on board. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took off from its destination at Koala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. It never arrived to its destination. 38 minutes into the flight, it vanished. No Mayday, no distress call, no radar contact, just gone. This is the ghost flight. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

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Yeah. Yeah. Very spooky. Hello everybody. Hello. This is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two girls, one ghost, and that is Karen. Hello. And I am Sabrina. And I'm so vain that I literally have a portrait of myself next to me. Okay. But it's not for vanity sake. It's for the vibe and the aesthetic of the space that you're in because you created like a whiskey bar speak easy lounge in your home. Yes. And you obviously had to get an oil painting. I feel like that's really cool. And you inspired me. I'm like, wait, I want one of myself now. I want us to get one for our studio. And I'm a little sick this week, which is why for the sake of Karen and her family, I was like, I'm just going to record from my whiskey room

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that looks similar to our studio. We'll get the same. Doesn't it look like we're in the same room together? Because we copied the wallpaper Sabrina had already picked out in her home for our office. But yes, we should get one for our studio of the two of us. this website. Actually, this company Payne found it. They're great. They're on Etsy. They're called portraitthy.art and they have a bunch of different artists. Do you choose a picture of you or do you just send them a bunch of photos of yourself? We sent them a couple photos of us. Like there was one photo I had of me holding Leia. That's not the photo that they used for my face. This actually this photo of my face was taken at your wedding. How? When? I took a selfie of me. The lighting was great. We'll add it in. It's a great photo, so let's add it in there. So, speaking of vanity, we're gonna add selfie into the YouTube video. We're gonna do a side by side and see how they used the photo to create. Yeah. Well, and so we're recording on the

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2-year anniversary basically of you taking that selfie. Yeah. Happy wedding anniversary. Happy selfie anniversary to me. Happy selfie anniversary to Sabrina. Congratulations on two years of an amazing selfie. All right, this isn't about me. This is probably about me either. This is about ghosts and paranormal and mysteries and strange phenomena because we are a paranormal podcast. And for this episode, I decided to kind of do a two-parter about a mystery that's like somewhat unsolved, kind of solved, somewhere in between. But this is Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which if anyone has watched the Netflix documentary, there's a three-part documentary. It's so so good. And I just feel like, not to scare people, but I I feel like there's just been so much about planes in the news recently, and it just got me thinking about what can happen. What has been happening with planes and aircrafts and

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just travel in general is very scary. And I'm really trying to just tune it out because I do love traveling and I've been on a plane like six times since everything. But I will indulge you in this episode. It is also heartbreaking and I think it's very heartbreaking. That is more than anything the hardest part. Yeah. Right. But it is the reason that this fits into this podcast is because when this flight Malaysia Airlines 370 went missing, there were a ton of theories and conspiracies about what happened. We're going to go through that and there are quite a few about the paranormal. And I will also say that in this day and age, we hear a lot more because of the news and because of like the social media outlets that we have. So, while yes, things have been happening and we're getting a lot of news of terrifying events that happened in the skies, it doesn't necessarily

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mean that it's happening anymore than it used to be, right? All right, but let us venture into a very sad sad tragic tale two weeks in a row because this is a two-parter. Before we get super sad, let me just set up something exciting for next week. I just had my Wikah

Numerology preview

beginnings like 101 class yesterday or Sunday and we talked a lot about numerology and astrology and I really want to start next episode with a little bit of a numerology discussion. I will read your numerology Karin. Okay. This is just like a general like your life numerology or is it specific to there's like four different calculations you do. You have your life path, your expression, identity, and soul urge numbers. And there's and I'll teach everyone how to calculate it for yourself. And I'll do like an analysis for you. And truly, once I learned about it, I did it for myself. I did it for a lot of people in my life, and I was like, "Wow, this is spot on. It's so

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spot on." Yeah. Oh my god, I'm excited. I'm excited to learn cuz now I'm going to do it on everybody that I know, too. Exactly. You will. And it's easier than astrology because it's like astrology has so many different elements, but numerology is more numbers and letters and then there's like easier breakdowns. Um, wait, one more side tangent before we begin. I learned from Alisa Kelly on her social media what planets being in retrograde means. And it's basically an illusion. Did you know that? When a planet's in retrograde, it's like we see that planet as going like spinning backwards, but it's an optical illusion because of the way that like our planet is spinning at the time that like those planets are spinning. And it's she compared it to like a I think it was when she was on Jonathan Vaness's podcast, but she compared it to like when you're on a train and one train is going faster than the other and it looks like the other one's going backwards, but really you're just at two different speeds of travel. So, she's like, "When you say Mercury's in retrograde, like the retrograde is actually fake." Like,

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there's no, it's an optical illusion. Interesting. Let us begin. It's a quiet midnight on March 8th, 2014. Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is cruising at

The Flight

35,000 ft above the South China Sea. The Boeing 777 jetliner, tail number 9mm. I don't know if that means anything, but I wrote it down for people who are big into aviation. It was carrying 239 souls. 227 passengers and 12 crew members. Most were Chinese nationals. Others were from Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, France, the US. 14 countries in total, all bound for Beijing. In the cabin, the lights are dim. Many passengers are closing their eyes, snoozing away. Thin blankets pulled up covering them. A few glow with reading lights. A mother reassures her child trying to get them to sleep. A businessman reviews his notes for a meeting that is awaiting him in China.

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Flight attendants quietly check that seat belts are fastened and they prepare for the overnight journey. In the cockpit, Captain Zahari Ahmad Shaw and first officer Farik Abdul Hamid guide the aircraft smoothly. The weather is calm. The thrum of the twin Rolls-Royce engines are steady. Everything is normal. Everything is routine. At 1:19 a.m. local time, Malaysia air traffic control radios in to hand off the flight to Vietnam's controllers. So, basically, they're passing into different airspace. And now there's another country in charge of air traffic control. And as the aircraft approaches the edge of the Malaysian airspace, Captain Sahari keys the mic and he responds in a very calm, familiar voice, "Good night, Malaysian 370." Oh, these words drift into the ether. A routine sign off. A routine night. Nothing out of the ordinary. That's a routine thing to say. Good night to the

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air. I think so. As you're like exiting one air control space. Basically, just like a sign off saying like, "All right, I'm exiting your lead and I'm about to hop onto another country's okay." programming or like whatever. I don't know the terminology. It just sounds like such an ominous, especially knowing where this knowing what happens. It sounds very obvious. Yeah. But like if you think about it, if you were flying a plane or like if you were in a boat or whatever and you're like crossing seas or whatever, you'd be like, "Peace out, US, whatever." And then you hello to the next person, right? Like it's like a sign off. So his last words were, "Good night, Malaysian 370," identifying his plane. Unbeknownst to everyone, these were the final words ever heard from MH370. See, even more ominous. I know. It's one of those things too where it's like when people pass away unexpectedly. I feel like there's always, not always, but like sometimes there are those really ominous things that happen a few days before or like a few weeks before where

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someone will like post something on Instagram and it like almost sounds like they know that they're about to die, you know? Yeah. And this is this kind of feels like that. I mean, it also reminds me of just like that book that was written years prior to the Titanic. Yeah. Oh, is it crashing and sinking and it just like makes you question things. It does. Seconds later, after Captain Zahari radios this in, something changes because in an instant, the plane's identifying transponder stops transmitting. So on the radar screens in Koala Lumpur, which is the airport that they took off from, and in Ho Chi Min City, there is this blip labeled as MH370, where they're tracking the plane as it goes through their airspaces. And this blip just vanishes, gone, which means the transponder on the plane, the thing that is able to send signals, has somehow shut off or something's happening to it. So, air traffic

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controllers in Vietnam await a contact because they just signed off in Malaysia. And so, now they should be saying, "Hello, Vietnam, Malaysian 370." But that contact never comes. The flight is silent. There's no distress call, no radio message, just absolute silence. The Boeing 777, one of the most advanced passenger jets in the world, has seemingly disappeared without a trace, not even an hour into its flight. Back on the ground in Koala Lumpur's control center, there is this watch supervisor and he's, you know, looking at the clock. It's been quite a few minutes since MH370's last check-in. There's repeated calls to the aircraft. They're asking where they are, if everything's okay. Everything's going unanswered. So now by 1:30 a.m. concern is mounting, right? Cuz they haven't gotten any contact back and it's been an hour. An experienced crew is not responding. Captain Zahari has so much experience, so there should be no reason for him to not understand these handoffs and what

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to say. He's done these flights a million times. And radar technicians, they switched to the primary radar. So they were like, "Okay, something's going on with our new technology that we use. So, let's use these old-fashioned raw blips. And they hear something. There's this unidentified echo, which is presumed to be coming from flight MH370, but where it's coming from would indicate that this plane has turned sharply off course. So, on the screen, the target swings westward in a bold unexpected arc, flying back across, I'm probably going to mispronounce this, Melee Peninsula. And the controllers and military radar operators are all watching in confusion as this aircraft that should be heading north towards China, towards Beijing is now going west. So in the complete opposite direction within the cabin, passengers probably felt a little bit of a shift. But I mean like I would never know that a plane is going off course if I were a

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passenger. And also it was nighttime like that you're and you're going across a huge ocean. though if there is movement it's very unlikely unless someone was watching like the screens on the back of the seats. I was just going to say because those show the flight path and it shows where the plane currently is. But my thing is like is that real time updated or is it just tracking the path? Like would it be able to show you that the plane turned left and started going this way instead? Right. This is the mystery because it's like what were people experiencing on board right when this happened? Like did they know or were the screens shut off somehow? Were they not working? Did someone intentionally turn them off? And again, like I know this episode is sad, so this is another tragic thing that I'm going to bring up, but you know, if you've gone to the 9/11 memorial in New York City where they play the like phone calls and voicemails and stuff, the last

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contact people on the planes sent to loved ones and family members, like I have chills. It's so heartbreaking because in some ways at least those people were able to communicate in a way in their final moments. Yeah. And that we have they knew what was happening too some awareness of what they were experiencing but in this case like we'll never know. Maybe one day but to date we do not. Yeah. Over the next hour, the aircraft veered off course, continuing northwest towards the Andaman Sea, and any attempt to reach the cockpit went unanswered. The plane slipped from Malaysian radar at 12:22 a.m., about 200 nautical miles northwest of Paneang Island in the dark of night and then nothing. Completely gone. No radar signals. How long was the flight supposed to be? Uh the planned duration was 5 hours and 34 minutes. Okay. And this is like what an hour into the

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flight. This is like just about 2 hours. Yeah. They started losing contact at 38 minutes, but then they used other technology to track what they thought was the flight which lasted about 2 hours. Jeez. So at first controllers assumed that there was a technical glitch, which I feel like I would assume that too where you're like, "Oh, there's something wrong in the radar." and like the team because the the planes seem to be flying at the correct altitude, steady, calmly. So, I think I would also probably be like, "Oh, there must be something weird in the Yeah. like some tech issue where they're being shown like the wrong path to fly, right?" But as the minutes stretched to hours, panic really starts to set in now and Vietnam reports that the plane never entered its airspace at all. By sunrise, officials initiate a full-scale emergency response. Search and rescue teams begin combing the South China Sea, but there is nothing. No wreckage, no debris, no oil slick, nothing. I mean, I remember

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when this happened and like everyone was following it live and like they were scanning the ocean in like the last place that the plane had made contact, right? Yeah. And even to date, I feel like there's still like every year there's something that comes up in the news, like some new information, something was found, something is said about the plane. But I I remember too, it was like the biggest deal in the world. And obviously like so many people just vanished without a trace. It's tragic. And the families were obviously like extremely involved in trying to figure out what happened. Um, and when you kind of find out how they were told, it is very upsetting. Oh no. So, back in Beijing, families begin arriving at the airport. So, this is like 6, seven hours after the plane has taken off, and they're expecting to greet their loved ones at 6:30 a.m., but the plane doesn't arrive. The monitors that are supposed

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to tell you what's happening with the

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plane, despite hours having passed and the airlines and officials knowing that this plane is missing, the monitors just say delayed. Uh, so these families are sitting here waiting, waiting, waiting. The monitor still says delayed. Waiting, waiting, waiting. The monitor still says delayed. Confusion then turns to dread because Malaysia airline officials then make an announcement at 7:24 a.m. So, an hour after this aircraft was supposed to arrive, where everyone's seeing on the monitor that it's delayed, that in fact, the plane was not delayed. Flight MH370 is actually missing. And I'm sure people were already like theorizing something had gone wrong because when a flight is delayed, I mean you can look up online a flight number, right? And it will That's what I was just thinking like I always look it up when I'm picking someone up. I track the plane. I don't rely on it tells you it took off at this time. So it's like okay well it took off so what's the delay and it is it still in

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the air? What's happening? You know that would be the first thing I did is look it up. Right. Me too. So grief and panic is now sweeping through the crowd of people. Family members are crying out. People are collapsing to the floors. People shout at the airline staff demanding answers. And then rumors start to swirl in the terminal. Some say the plane had electrical failure and landed at a remote airfield. Others fear a catastrophic crash into the sea. And there's just I I feel like Sabrina, you probably remember this too because like news crews arrived and they were filming these families that were kept in these waiting areas for hours and hours and hours and hours and people were like begging for answers and it was just like it was so horrible to watch. I mean, this happened recently with the DC flight. And I mean, I don't know if you saw this, but like the news reporter literally talked to a guy who he got a text from his partner who was on the flight saying about to land and is

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basically like talking to this person this who just lost their loved one and doesn't have like a complete story and is like so you got a text. Like it was just so there was no humanity. It was all about getting the story and not caring about the feelings of this person at all. Oh my god. It is really hard cuz it's like obviously like the news people want to report on it but like so much of it's so invasive. Yes. When it comes to stuff like this. Yeah. So in Koala Lumpur, the site where Malaysia Airlines 370 took off, stunned airline executives scrambled to understand how this state-of-the-art aircraft could simply vanish. Search and rescue is not even activated until 5:30 a.m. So that's like 4 hours plus after this plane went missing. And this was due to delays and miscommunication. So like people just I guess didn't know or like maybe just

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didn't want to accept that the plane had been missing. Well, also the timing of it crossing from Malaysia to Vietnam, like it would be like, well, who's who's supposed to send search and rescue team, like where did the miscommunication happen? And that's exactly it because there are so many countries involved based on the different aerospaces. Yeah. And also just like all the theories coming in. It is a very complicated case when it comes to searching for this plane because not knowing where it went, but later finding out the plane actually did fly for seven hours. It did involve a lot of different countries, a lot of different politics, a lot of different conspiracies, and it made the search and still today makes the search quite difficult. Right? By the time the sun rose, the great mystery in modern aviation, which some say is the greatest mystery in modern aviation, had begun. So, the early search for the plane is frantic. It's extremely disorganized.

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Dozens of aircraft and ships from multiple countries scour the waters of Vietnam and Malaysia. Reports of floating debris and oil slicks flood in, but all of them turn out to be false. None of them are either accurate or from this plane. And I just remember everyone talking about the show Lost and comparing it to that like there's all

Military & Satellite Tracking

these conspiracies like did it just like blip into another universe or and I know that that's not what happened but I just remember the conspiracy theorists coming up with all these so many people wanted to believe that it did land right on a remote island a remote air strip. Yeah. So meanwhile, confusion spread in Malaysia's command centers, conflicting information, missed radar data, delays in sharing key intelligence. Like you were saying, Sabrina, there's different countries, there's different organizations and all of them trying to share with each other. It created some confusion. Some countries were reluctant to share what they knew or what they didn't know because it also like sharing

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that was basically exposing their own technology and tracking capabilities. So kind of opened up themselves to, you know, certain risks when it comes to safety and whatnot. But then a week after the plane vanished, Malaysian officials revealed a game-changing detail. Military radar had actually tracked the plane when it went dark. The flight MH370 had turned west, flown back across Malaysia, passed over the straight of Maka, and disappeared into the Andaman Sea. It flew for over an hour offc course with no transponder and no communication. So I did kind of allude to this in in the beginning, but basically like when the flight first went missing, air traffic control only had even with their like old blip radar, they only had so much information and then it disappeared and then basically another few hours was picked up from military radar. Interesting. But this wasn't revealed for like a few weeks.

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Malaysia's authorities said that they weren't sure what they were seeing and critics accused them of actually covering things up because it took so long to come out with this information. And for days, the world watched as one of the largest multinational search efforts in history unfolded with over 30 countries joining in the hunt for MH370. I mean, I do understand to some regard withholding some information because they were confused by it as well. And they I'm sure they were hoping that there would be a discovery of the plane and more answers and when they realized that they weren't going to get it, they were like, "Well, we have to come out with this information." Well, and too, like we'll go into it. Part two is really going to have all of the conspiracies and the the theories, but you brought up 9/11. Like, this is something that was a huge consideration in this, which is like what happened? Yeah. Was this a terrorist attack? Did this involve some sort of cyber hijacking or like in-person hijacking? And so I'm sure part of it was not due

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to to a cover up, but like trying to figure out if there are other dangers and other people at play, other countries, other organizations, terrorism. They didn't know what they were dealing with. Yeah. Search planes logged thousands of hours scanning this giant empty ocean. ships crisscrossed waters on both sides of the Melee Peninsula and every few hours seemed to bring a new lead, a satellite image of possible debris here, or an oil rig workers report of a fireball in the sky over there. But again, all of them proved false. And I remember all of these things coming up in the news, too, where it's like this piece of debris or this and people are like taking pictures and comparing things and satellite images and no, it never really turned out to be anything. So, not a single piece of flight MH370 was found in the Southeast Asian Sea at this time. And that is when the satellite company in MRSA stepped in. Engineers reviewing satellite data discovered something strange. MH370's onboard systems,

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specifically its satellite data unit, was still active long after it vanished from radar. So, this was another confusing piece because it's like if there was something intentionally done on board to turn off radio signals and divert the plane, why would you only turn off certain tracking systems but not all of them? If that's even possible, I don't know. Right. So, between 2:25 a.m. and 8:19 a.m., seven quote handshakes, that's what they were called, or like pings were exchanged between the plane and the Inmarat satellite. So, this data from the satellite and where it pings, it doesn't reveal the plane's exact location, but it does prove one thing beyond a doubt, and that is that this plane flew for nearly 7 hours after going dark. Okay. I did not know this. Again, the flight was supposed to be 5 and a half. It flew for 7 more hours? No, it was 7 hours total. So, one could presume it flew until it ran out of fuel. I did not know that. In

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Marsett's engineers analyze the Doppler shift in the pings and produce this result. They say the plane flew either north towards central Asia or south into the Indian Ocean. Completely opposite spaces to search and for 7 hours of time that basically makes a search impossible. And this is also coming out like a week plus afterwards which makes a search even more difficult because they've been searching one specific area. But if it's five plus more hours in multiple different directions, like that makes the search even more difficult. Yeah. And it doesn't even take into consideration like the drifts in the ocean and like where things could be pulled if it did go crash. Okay. So after cross-checking with military radar, the northern path is ruled out because the military did track it going south. So they were like, "Okay, it it would make no sense for it to go south and then to go north, especially if none of the other countries like Vietnam picked up on their radars this plant

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coming into their space, right?" So the final handshake at 8:19 a.m. places MH370 somewhere along what's now called the Seventh Arc. So there are a bunch of kind of like arcs and like maps made in search for MH370. And the seventh arc is this vast curvature in the southern Indian Ocean west of Australia, which is where most of the search occurred after this discovery, I should say. Right. By now, families are growing desperate. Some believe their loved ones may still be alive. The plane had to have landed somewhere, right? Similar to like lost. Or others accused the airline and the government of lying. M in Beijing, families staged protests and one group stormed a press conference screaming things like, "Why don't you tell us the truth? What else are you hiding?" Just really questioning what was going on because it seemed like no one had the answers. And every time an answer was produced, there was something else coming out that was conflicting with that answer. So, it did seem really

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suspicious the whole time. And I feel

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like on a smaller scale, this is something that airlines still do and is something that I struggle with. Like when a flight is delayed, why isn't there more transparency? Or if a flight's going to be cancelled, I feel like they wait until the last second to tell you. And it's like they knew, they knew before this. They knew that the pilot and the crew were going past their, you know, allowed allotted time, right? Why not communicate with your passengers? I guess the confusing thing in this case is like they didn't know. They don't know. They barely know anything. They're trying to figure it out, right? So, these loved ones are vocalizing their pain, their frustration. They're saying, "Hey, we're not looking for miracles here. We just want the truth. You need to give us some information. You need to be more transparent. They deserve answers." And families were also not the only ones seeking answers because by now, the story of MH370 had gripped the world. News sites worldwide had picked up the stories. We were watching, we were

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reading, and everyone was asking, "How does a Boeing 777, one of the fastest, most advanced commercial jets, simply vanish in 2024 with all the technology that was in place?" No trace, no wreckage, no explanation. And yet, the satellite pings say the plane flew on for 7 hours across some of the most remote ocean on Earth. There was no radio, no transponder, no distress call, no passengers sending texts, nothing. It was a ghost flight. Families are told the heartbreaking news. Their loved ones are presumed lost somewhere in the vast expanse of rolling gray seas, far from any land, most likely so far from any available air strips to land on. And many refused to believe it. The idea that the plane could fly for hours in the wrong direction without anyone knowing, it just felt so inconceivable and so unlikely. And it's like, how does that happen? Especially when you're

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flying into different airspaces, you would think if there's some weird unidentified craft, right? Because it wasn't it's like normal signals and pings weren't picking up. If there's an unidentified craft, you would think, especially such a giant aircraft, that militaries would send out planes to go look. Right. Right. But that is what the data showed. And Malaysian officials citing the Inmarat analysis later concluded that it was beyond reasonable doubt that MH370 went down in the Indian Ocean with no survivors. So now everyone's told, "We don't know where your loved ones are. We don't really know where the plane is, but they're dead, right?" Which is a very difficult thing to say to people when you don't have evidence. But right, the lack of evidence is also evidence in itself. It's like there's been no sightings, no communication, no evidence to indicate that people are okay or alive. So, the only alternative is that yeah, they've

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perished, which is so sad. Investigators now face a chilling possibility that the disappearance was not an accident. that someone, either the pilot or an intruder, may have deliberately disabled communications and steered the aircraft off course for seven hours. But who and why? A team of international experts began reconstructing a timeline. And while they did that, Australian Transport Safety Bureau launched an underwater search. And the search occurred in the Indian Ocean, which was extremely difficult just like to traverse in and of itself because it's

Phantom Calls

really remote. There's hostile seas, waves up to 20 m, winds are howling, there's really strong currents. Like, how are you ever going to find something? So for weeks and then months, the international team combed through 120,000 square kilometers of ocean floor, the area the size of Pennsylvania using state-of-the-art sonar,

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submersible drones, and imaging equipment. Which my one question is like, how does that even work? Because like what if you search one area and then what if debris did drift into the area you just searched, but like right now you're not searching there. He you said that it's gone, that there's nothing there. I think there's a lot of math involved that I can't do. Yeah. So, the deep seabed there is very rugged. It's unchartered and search vessels battled mechanical breakdowns, dangerous weather. It was just like very much not an easy search to begin with. And then there were all these extra challenges that made it difficult for the equipment to even work. But they did find things in this search. shipwrecks from centuries past and other really cool historical things, but they did not find Malaysia Flight MH370. To just reflect on the cool aspect of this, finding old shipwrecks and just the ocean one, I think, is the largest graveyard. Two, is

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like a treasure trove truly. The amount of history hidden beneath the ocean is probably insurmountable. And I just think about like archaeologists and all these people finding treasure in like when I was in Peru like the Inca stuff and all of like the pottery from civilizations pre-Inca and like in BC. But like what's in the ocean, right? And like they found so much and think about how many shipwrecks and people have been lost at sea, ships lost at sea, especially before we had any of these Yeah. track. I feel like I'm probably conflating data here, but in my mind, all of the historical stories of like ship voyages, it was like one in three ships just like never returned. Yeah. So, and think about how many carcasses and prehistoric creatures whose bones are just like beneath the ocean. Yeah, that is really interesting. And I do wonder if there's kind of like bog bodies, how there's certain conditions

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that allow preservation, if there are any areas in the sea that maybe are hiding that where there are these like prehistoric circuses like dinosaurs and stuff that their bodies are preserved because otherwise the ocean and the minerals and the bacteria and creatures like you know things don't last that long. It's everything's pretty recycled. But the bones wouldn't decay, right? I don't think. Wouldn't they? I don't know. So, still, despite there being any evidence of what happened to Flight MH370, families refuse to give up the search. Yeah. Every year on March 8th, they hold memorials. They light candles. They share stories. They ask the world to keep looking because until the plane is found, the story is not over. Theories arose about a murder suicide plot, hijackers, military coverups, and some questioned whether the plane was abducted by a UFO, if it entered a time slip, if it entered another dimension. Because how does a plane go so far off

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course with no contact and seemingly no one on board noticing? For the loved ones of the missing passengers, there remained a bit of hope. And there was something that happened within those first few days that the plane was missing that made them question whether the plane was missing at all. Desperate and distraught, loved ones placed call after call to their family members phones, praying for an answer. And oddly, some of those calls went through. What? The cell phones of the missing passengers on this missing flight rang a few times before disconnecting. Multiple families later reported that the cell phones of missing passengers continued to ring for hours, for even days after their disappearance. Okay. So, they they never got answered, but they rang. Yeah. As opposed to when a phone is off or dead, it it goes straight to voicemail. Right. But this would indicate that the phones were they felt it indicated the

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phones were on because it would ring a few times. But I've also I feel like I have had instances where it will ring like two or three times and then go to voicemail. I'm just curious what the technology is or like what the reasoning behind it is. Well, I'll tell you what the reasoning claimed to be in part two. Oh, okay. Got to wait. Got to wait. Sorry. All of the answers come in part two. Cliffhanger. But for days after the disappearance, some of these cell phones of the missing passengers continued to ring. And there was a journalist from the China Daily who even dialed one of the numbers of the missing passenger and it rang and rang and rang, but no one answered. So people were asking, "Is this a glitch? Were the phones still powered and apparently reachable? And if the plane crashed, why were the phones ringing at all? Where were the people aboard missing flight MH370? And why wasn't anyone saying what was really going on?" H because maybe

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the truth isn't buried underwater at all. Maybe it slipped into a tear between worlds and is still trying to call home. In part two, we dig into the final moments of the plane's known trajectory and the theories behind the disappearance of Malaysia flight MH370. And next week is a long one. There's a lot. Ah, this it's just so heartbreaking. And I mean, that's the only way to address this. It's it's so heartbreaking and I feel for these families and loved ones and I can't imagine the pain, the confusion, the desire for answers, the heartache and the feelings of hope that they wanted to hold on to. And Right. Yeah. It's heartbreaking. I know it is. And it's also so confusing, too, because I guess like just walking away from part one, my mind is like, okay, well, the plane crashed. But then in part two when we go into the theories and the conspiracies and some of the things that were talked about, you're like, "Oh my god, there really are so many possibilities with

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what could have happened." Yeah. And because there's we're lacking so much evidence. Yeah. A lot of these things kind of have a chance of being true or like in your mind like who's to say, right? Exactly. And again, like if anyone's watched that Netflix three-part special, it is really interesting because they do go into some of these theories, especially with the hijacking and all of that sort of stuff. And they like play out like show kind of like what would have to happen, where someone would have to be and how they would have to like come out of a compartment or who they would have to face, like all of these things that would have to go perfectly right. And everyone's turning their heads and asleep and not looking and ignoring this or that and that and that for certain things to happen. It just seems like every theory seems both improbable and probable, right? And it's like everyone's a suspect. Every country is a suspect. Like until we actually have hard evidence, anything is possible and we should look at possible all options and or possibilities.

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Damn. Well, I didn't pick a story about a plane crash because I knew Well, one, we don't really have that many, and two, I wanted to do something a little bit lighter. Great. Although, I will say we have one I know story about a plane crash, but we have not. It's only on Patreon, but we read it like very edited on one of our Patreon episodes, but it does include a like very convincing ghost photo attached to it. Wait, we read that on the regular feed. Did we? Yeah, we read that on our main feed and then we reread it on Patreon. But yes, I always think about that one. If you go to our Instagram and go to the highlight reel ghost photos, I believe the photo is in there if you're curious what we're talking about. But for now, I'm going to read a story about us haunting someone while they were on an airplane. Oh, that's cool. Okay. Mhm. So, this is from our listener, Raquel, and it is called I

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thought a plane flight would save me from Sven dot dot dot. I was wrong. Hello, Karin and Sabrina. Hello. Longtime listener, first time ghost story submitter. So, a few years ago, my best friend got me into your podcast, and I've since made a fan out of my husband, who has then gotten a few of his co-workers into Two Girls, One Ghost as well. We hope we make the triangle proud. Wow, you really do. That's so cool. Pat on the back for all of you. Raquel said, "I'm typically a few weeks behind in my listening, so I first heard the news of Kin's floating candle flames on Instagram, and I knew that Encounters

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151 and the Nuns Are Possessed episodes were causing some serious activity. So, I decided to finally listen to those episodes during a plane flight because somehow I thought ghosts couldn't track me if I was going extremely fast in the air. Well, I was wrong. This is a science experiment and you proved your hypothesis wrong. So, congratulations on

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science. Yes. And congratulations to Sven defying physics. I guess the paranormal already does defy the physics we understand and know. Yeah. So, I finished both episodes just fine and we were about to start descending into our destination. I travel a lot for work and this was a work trip. So, my plan was to head to a hotel after the flight landed. But before we start descending, I see my backpack, which is under the seat in front of me, deflate out of nowhere, like someone pushed in the side of it with their foot. Odd, I thought. But if that's the extent of activity I get from these episodes, all right, not bad. Mhm. Fast forward to I get to my hotel room. It's about 8:00 p.m. when I finally check in and get settled. I'm in the hotel bathroom about to brush my teeth and head to bed because I had a work meeting in the morning. My phone is securely lying on the counter beside me in the middle of the counter near the sink when suddenly my phone shoots off the counter flying to the bathroom floor. Rude, I exclaim and then I try to

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rationalize. It's expensive if you broke that. I know, dear spirits. But what a way to get your attention. I tried to rationalize what happened by checking for some type of angle or slant on the counter that would cause it to fall off. But no, I think Sven got me. Also, a thing to note, I was on the top floor and as I got settled into bed every 30 minutes or so, I heard what sounded like footsteps above my room, but I'm on the top floor. So now I'm getting spooked. I turned the TV and lights on and I slept with them both on that night and barely got any sleep. In the morning, exhausted, I proclaimed, "I do not have time for this." As I prepared for my important work meeting, so I must have closed myself off because after I said that, all of the activity stopped. Interesting. Thank you for all that you do. You two are amazing. See you on the other side, Raquel. Okay, this email kind of reminded me of questions I have about I guess like our podcast and the hauntings involved because we don't know

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when an episode is going to cause hauntings. And it is so interesting because it does seem to be like there are very specific episodes that a large number of listeners do experience stuff and we find out after the fact from people emailing us, commenting us. Sometimes we experience stuff ourselves when we record that episode like with the the flame from October a few years ago. But sometimes we don't experience anything and we just tell our story, post it, and then everyone else is experiencing things. But it does make me curious how much of those experiences are Sven haunting like a new listener being like, "Oo, people are expecting this. Let me perform or actually something like darker that's attached to the story or just feeding off the fear of people hearing those stories or someone's own guardian being like, "Hey, I don't think you should listen to this episode. Let me try to scare you off of it." Or spiritual censorship. Yeah, spiritual

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censorship. That's the other mystery of the paranormal is very very rarely do we get answers. We actually we should do a we are haunted episode again because the amount of stories. So send us your emails just in general. Send us your emails about any paranormal encounter, any weird UFO, crypted, anything odd, supernatural, and strange. But especially send them to us if you have had an encounter while listening to our podcast because of our podcast that you credit to Sven or maybe it's like the PTD Peggy the doll episodes that have haunted you. Just send them to us cuz we'll do a whole place whole encounters and make sure you put your like keywords into your email too because we theme all of our episodes all of our encounters and just because we covered something before does not mean we won't cover it again. Follow us on social media. If you want episodes one week early and ad free, plus bonus content, join us on Patreon. And if you want to help us out

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