REINCARNATION PROOF? | Ryan Hammons Remembered Being an Old Hollywood Agent | Ep 351

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This is one of the world's most widely studied modern cases of potential reincarnation memory. Over 55 details that Ryan provided were accurate, specific, matched Marty's life, and the majority of this information was not publicly available anywhere. Yeah. Yeah.

Very spooky.

Hello.

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas everywhere.

Wow. That was angelic.

Thank you.

Oh my gosh, Sabrina.

I just got so nervous. Did you become a singer? Like, no. Genuinely, I'm not. I'm not yanking your chain. That sounded really good.

Thank you. That's really nice. Now, I'm

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really I shouldn't have made a face. So, you would have kept going.

Um,

that feels like suddenly you have like a born secret talent that I'm discovering. This is the thing is I'm not a terrible singer, but I'm only good at certain things and then I'm not good at knowing when to come in. That's so funny. I like that.

I really don't. So, you're like a comedy singer.

Sure.

The new Bo Burnham.

I'm hilarious. Um, and we are two girls, one ghost.

Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghostesses. I am Sabrina. I almost said you are Karen. Anyway, that's Karen.

I'm Sabrina.

Sabrina haunted in Edinburgh

You just got back from lovely spooky.

So much to share with you

across the pond. So much to share with you, all of you. You want to hear the story about how I got haunted in Edinburgh, Scotland?

Yes. Which you already told on Patreon. And I feel like everyone was like, you were focused on telling the story, but I

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got to watch people's faces on the video as you were telling the story. And the amount of people that were just like jaw-dropped or just like shaking their heads like, "No, Sabrina, no." Well, because as I will tell it, but there's so much of this that I'm like, h would be so disappointed in me.

Okay, so as context, I went to Edinburgh. I'm

glad I wasn't there

and it didn't happen to you. So, I went to Edinburgh, Scotland, and it was amazing. So much fun. I do have to recommend the place that I stayed real quick because 33 Castle Terrace, you know, like when you travel places and you want to feel like you live there.

Mhm.

But sometimes when you stay in a hotel, you don't feel like you live there. Yeah,

this place I felt like I had my own apartment in Edinburgh.

Oh my gosh, so nice

that I was like, maybe I do want to live here.

It was so nice. You used to talk about doing some time over there. But right now in my life after all the travel and like how busy we've been for the last like

Right. It doesn't feel I'm like I have

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not spent a full week at home.

Yeah.

Since before August,

which is wild. Maybe you could do like a mini snowbird where it's like every year for the month of September or something. You

you go

discover.

I'd have to be able to take Leia with me. But anyway, okay. So, I obviously booked ghost tours and I booked I booked this one with the company City of the Dead. I highly recommend it. It is one of the best ghost tours I've ever been on because they really focus on the ghost stories. They take you It's so immersive, but it's so cinematic, too. And not cheesy cinematic, just the storytelling. Oh,

the the guide was next level.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah,

I love that because I do feel like we love going on ghost tours, but ghost tours can be a similar thing to just like seeking out a random psychic or something where it's just like,

right, it could be cheesy or it could be phony, but this felt so and it it was clear, shout out to Sarah, who was my tour guide. It's so clear that she was

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so immersed and curious and interested in Edinburgh history

that she had gone and done her own research to bring in her own anecdotes into the stories. Anyway, that being said, I did the double dead tour

which you go through the Edinburgh vaults which are infamously haunted and then you double decker. No, you just you double it up. You double it up and you go over to the other most haunted place in Edeto, Grayfire's Kirkyard.

Yeah.

Which we did an episode on and we referenced a few times

and it haunted me.

Yeah. That's where you went wrong.

That's where I where my grave mistakes. Grave mistakes.

Wow. It was a grave mistake

today, Sabrina.

And then I just had my first sip of coffee on camera. You saw it happen. Let me take my second. Watch out, everyone.

Oh god. Okay. So then, yes, we went over to Gray Fry's Kirkyard second. Nothing really happened on the tour. When we went into the vaults, a girl had to

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leave. She got instantly got lightheaded and had to leave.

They escorted her out. We go through the vaults. And I don't think we went to the same vaults that other tours go to. Cuz there's one vault that people kept being like, "Oh my god, did you step inside the witch's circle?" And we didn't go into a vault that had a witch's circle.

Oh

yeah.

I wonder what is the witch's circle? I think we've read a listener story about it before where there's like all these candles and you're not supposed to step inside.

Oh, we read this recently, didn't we?

Yeah, I think so. Okay, it's coming back.

But so that we didn't because there's a lot of different vaults in the Edinburgh vaults. Our tour went into like three of how many? I don't know.

And then we walk over to Grayfire's Kirkyard. We do the whole thing. And interesting fact, Bloody McKenzie's mausoleum is not the one that's haunted. The hauntings occurred once someone did break into Bloody Mackenzie's mausoleum, but the one that is haunted is actually behind a locked gate that is now locked because of all the hauntings that were happening and how many people were trying to like go

instigate and yeah.

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Yeah. Summon the dead.

That being said, Bloody Mackenzie's meleium does cause hauntings and I can attest to it personally. So, we're walking around, we're getting all these great ghost stories, and we're wrapping up the tour and our tour guide's like, "Oh, let's just go stop by Bloody Mackenzie's mazam." There was another group finishing up. We go over there, and she's talking about it, and she goes, "Does anyone want to play a game?" No hesitation. The word sure comes out of my mouth.

You're alone, too. Like,

I'm on this tour completely alone. I know no one. I'm staying in Edinburgh by myself. Yeah. I have to go to bed by myself, like solo. And I say, "Sure." She like looks at me and she's like, "Okay, come on up here." And she hands me a flashlight and she says, "Shine this through the grates and look inside the mausoleum." And then repeat after me. The first word she says is, "Repeat bloody McKenzie three times." And before I even say it, I like

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in my head, the first thought I have is, "Oh god, Karen's going to be so mad at me." And then the second is, should I really be doing this? Then the third thought is, well, it's too late. I'm already here. I got to give the people a show because there's like 25 other people on the tour.

It feels awkward to back out.

Yeah. I'm not going to be like chicken, not chicken

I am.

Peer pressure is real. Actually, no one was pressuring me,

but you're performing an audience against the expectations you believed others had for you. These strangers,

these strangers

amongst you. And so then

you must please the people.

Of course, I'm a jester. I'm a performer. So in my head I'm like, okay, this is a dumb idea, but I have good intentions. So as I'm saying, I'm repeating it over and over. As I'm saying it, I'm in my head saying, I don't mean this. Haha, it's a joke. Like good intentions, no like no negative energies can come with me. You know, I'm setting my boundaries while I'm saying the things that are very much anti my

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boundaries. And I basically out loud say this poem that's like a game that people do to invite

Bloody McKenzie, his spirit to come out of the masilam and haunt you. It's like show yourself. It literally is Bloody Mary right with Bloody McKenzie. Nothing happens in the moment. Totally fine. The tour ends. Sarah's like, "Good luck, Sabrina." Then two girls come up to me and they're like, "Are you Sabrina from Two Girls One Ghost?" They had been on the tour with me the entire time. Shout out to the band Spanish Love Songs. They were on tour.

Oh my gosh. And uh stopped in Edboro, did some spooky things. Happened to be on the same tour. And I loved on Campfire Stories. Everyone's like those people were probably like, "Is that Sabrina from Two Girls One Ghost?" And then I went up to do the bloody

get like possessed.

Yeah, that's from Two Girls Ghost.

And I I think I said to them, I was like, "Nan's going to be so mad that I just did that."

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Oh my gosh. Cuz you're tempting fate.

And I tempted fate. So,

and like at a place that has a reputation. It's not just like, oh, like some random New Hampshire cemetery that like five locals, not to like diss on this, but like five locals had something happen. This is like the dumbest thing I've ever done paranormally.

I've done a lot of other dumb things in life, but paranormally, uh, yes, nothing happens. I'm totally fine. I'm walking home. It's now like 11:30 and again I'm like just sending intentions like hey shake it off. I did I truly outside of my hotel room shook it off. I like nothing is welcome. I'm protected by love and light. I set my intentions all this stuff. Go into my hotel room. Turn on Gilmore Girls. I'm good.

Mhm.

I fall asleep again. Like I went to bed like not thinking about it. So I go to sleep and I have a nightmare and it's like truly a twocond nightmare. I'm walking down the streets of what I presume are old Edinburgh, like the the closest, and people are moving out of

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the way, and I get this feeling that down the way, like as people are clearing, there's someone standing staring at me. And when I look, it's this like very, very unsettling, scary person. But their face is melty and they kind of look like haggarded and bent over. And even though I can't see their eyes, they are directly staring into my soul,

which is so creepy.

It's so unsettling. I wake up and I'm like, "Nope, didn't like that." Like I out loud said, "Nope, didn't like that. Don't you're not welcome here." And it's 4:15 or 4:20, something like that. And I'm like, "Okay, that was weird." But just a bad dream. I flip over. I lay on my stomach like literally like flat on the bed. All of my limbs are together. I'm like a needle in a bed face in the pillow trying to fall back to sleep. I'm still very awake.

Mhm.

When I start to feel also keep in mind the covers are completely on me. When I start to feel Hold my coffee, please.

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When I start to feel like what are hands around my ankles pulling my legs apart and my legs are actually moving apart and I don't like it. Who would? And I so I start to like try to move. I cannot move any part of my body. I am fully paralyzed and this is the first time I've ever had sleep paralysis. So my first thought is I'm having sleep paralysis. Don't like it. And so in my head I'm saying no, no, no, no. And I'm finally out out loud able to verbally say no and it stops. And then I instantly like slam my legs back together. I don't think I remember the detail of you slamming your legs back together.

Oh yeah, cuz I had been trying to like the energy of me saying no no no was me also trying to like close my legs.

Yeah,

because it does. So when it finally released you, you were

able to like bam. Yeah.

Thank god I fully got up and I was like no.

The people in the room next door are like that girl traveling solo is crazy.

Did you see her on the tour earlier?

Which I did ask you on Campfire Stories cuz I was like, "Oh my gosh, this seems

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like a incubus."

Yeah. Like a sexual sexual movement. But you said

that it didn't feel that way.

It didn't feel that way. I genuinely think it was whatever it was. I don't necessarily think it was Bloody Mackenzie. I think it was probably an entity at the cemetery that was like, "You dumb dumb girl, let me show you what I can do."

I think it was just like something it could do because I was laying on my stomach. So, it's not like if cuz if I was laying on my back, would I have seen something and that would have been enough?

Oh god, I hate that. Ew.

Oh my gosh, it's so disturbing.

But I was laying on my stomach face down so I couldn't see anything in the room. He's like, "What if it was the guy with the melted face?"

It seems like it would be, but like if that's how he presented himself in the room physically there with you. Who do you think it was?

I think it was just something from the cemetery. But here's the thing is I never had anything else happened for the rest of the trip. It was totally fine. Nothing else happened.

And you stayed another night in that hotel, right?

I stayed multiple other nights there.

Yeah.

And I even was in Edinburgh on Halloween. Nothing happened. It was

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totally fine. But I understand how entities or even demonic encounters or people like the the Smurl family or the Hinsdale house. Like I understand how these entities gain energy and don't even have to do much because just that one experience which is probably no more than a twominute experience in total.

I every night before going to sleep was scared to fall asleep because I didn't want that to happen again. And then it would happen. It would pop in my brain and be like, "No, you can't think about this before you're going to bed because like then it's going to cuz then you're summoning about it and you're summoning it

and then it's hard to not just like repeat it." It's like an intrusive thought basically.

Yeah. And it's a scary intrusive thought, but it's also so scary because it's like, yeah, it was a two-minute experience, but that thing in 2 minutes proved that it could be in your dreams and it could be physically in your room with you and paralyzed me. Mhm. It was like, I have you everywhere. You can't escape. You're asleep. You're awake. I'm here with you. It's not with me anymore.

Yeah, thank God.

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But yeah, so

it's just a one night thing until the next person plays the game.

Yeah. So when we say don't do stupid paranormal things, Sabrina, listen to yourself.

Do you judge me less for my reluctance to play paranormal games after?

Would I do it again? Yes.

No. Oh my gosh. There was like a 12 or 13 year old girl who I loved her because she dressed very like Blair Waldorf,

but she had dragged her dad there and she was jealous that I got to do that game and she's like, I want to do it now. And the tour guide was like, I don't feel comfortable allowing you to do a child.

Like, if you want to stay afterwards with your dad and do it, fine, but I can't. But

approve of this. Let your pre-teens and your teenagers summon the

Bloody McKenzie or Bloody Mackenzie. Jesus.

Scariest thing that's happened to me in a very very long time.

Yeah. So, all the listeners can probably I bet everyone's mouths were a gape just like everyone on campfire stories. They

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were like, "What the did you do? My grave mistake at Gray Fryer's Kirkyard." Damn. Crazy.

But otherwise, you had a great trip.

It was amazing. I loved And then I went to York, which we recorded a whole episode while I was there, but that that town is my favorite.

And I don't love London.

Yeah,

I love the sweatshirt I got from London.

Did you get a sweatshirt from each place?

Uh, I didn't from York, but I did from Edinburgh and I did from London.

Nice. That's one of Sabrina's things. She buys a sweatshirt everywhere she is that says the place. It's like

I'll be in an airport, a layover, and I see the I they get me. I see the sweatshirt. foot outside of the airport there. No, but are you buying a sweatshirt to indicate you've been in the

I might need it.

Corinne's house ghost

Um I told you I have a 60second ghost story. It does not compare to that

at all. But I think that there's a spirit of foot in my house.

We knew that

because Yeah, but there's like a like a new one.

Oh, I don't know. It's we I just had two things that happened in the past couple

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days. Noah and I were playing with his farm truck and it has a bunch of like if you press the different animals, they make different noises. If you press oh McDonald these things oh McDonald have and if you press the smoke stack on the tractor it will start moving and Noah knows to do all of that and so we're like taking turns doing it and it's between us and Noah it's just like pressing on the animals and then something presses the smoke stack and it starts going

and Noah just like stopped and looked at me like

what happened

what like are you seeing this and then I didn't want to scare him so I was just like and I like touched old McDonald so he'd start singing as the tractor went by. And then the next night when I was in Noah's room, he's sleeping on me and I'm going to like put him back in his crib. The second the clock turns 3:00 a.m. the humidifier button keeps getting turned on and off. On and off.

Oh, I don't like that.

And it just keeps happening, but it's not like not at a normal rhythm.

So, it's not like a cadence. Yeah.

Yes. Cuz at first I was like, "Oh, did I

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accidentally set a timer? Is there like something happening to it?" it pressing it and then deciding to press it again. Yeah.

Yeah. No rhyme or reason, but it was pressed on and off probably like eight or nine times.

And then last night, this is not related to me, but last night I got a text message from my old roommate, Jill from HR, who also has a young child.

Mhm.

She said, "I just walked into my living room to turn down the lights at 11:00 p.m. and my daughter's DJ table started going off. I love the idea of a DJ ghost.

Just like a random DJ who's like going from house to house being like, "Let me lay down some beats."

Marty Martyn’s glamorous Hollywood life

Well, I have I think kind of a feelood episode. Oh, great way to start off December. Don't get possessed at Gray Far's Kirkyard like Sabrina and join me for a more positive tale.

Okay.

Okay. Marty Martin was a guy with an American dream.

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That's his full name. Marty Martin. Yeah. Well, it's his it was like his actor name that he I'll tell you his full legal name in a second.

So, Marty Martin, he was born May 19th, 1903 as Morris Kolinsky in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. His parents had recently immigrated to the US from Ukraine. And it was he and his two sisters. One of his sisters died unfortunately

in youth. But there they are in America being raised. And Marty has some big dreams. In the 1920s, Marty moved to New York City and made it on Broadway tap dancing on stage. So, this guy's like, he's got talent. He already is on stage, but his dream performer.

He's a performer.

So, he would have done what I did.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I don't know what his sister did, but I love that his

surviving sister moved with him to New York City. So, it's like the little siblings go off from Philly to the big big city to make it. So he makes it in theater, but his dreams go beyond the theater, beyond tap dancing on Broadway because Marty wants to be a movie star. And this is the era of old Hollywood.

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This is like the beginning of old Hollywood in films. So he eventually makes his way to Los Angeles. And while tap dancing was a dream that came to fruition, well, I don't know how easy, but like he made it. Being a Hollywood actor did not come so easily. So his acting career just really never took off. He mostly was an extra in all of the films. It's difficult. It is difficult, but he still had this love for films. And so Marty was like, "Okay, I need to find a way to make it in Hollywood in another avenue other than being an actor." So he decided to open up his own talent agency, the Marty Martin Agency. And after years of

I'm such a sicko.

Oh, you thought porn?

I thought smut films. Yeah.

Was porn a thing back then?

Yeah, for sure. It's always Hasn't it always been? Like I'm thinking about Jessica Lang in American Horror Stories. Is it um the whatever the circus one is and

freak show

freak show and she's like it's 1930 Germany something wasn't cutting it anymore and then she like does smut

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films and they cut off her legs in them anyway.

Yeah.

No, he he went talent agency route.

Yeah. So he decided to be an agent instead.

This is a heartwarming episode, Sabrina. So, I think it did take him a few years to like kind of make his mark in the agency world, but he did soon become pretty successful and wealthy and he was a man about town. You know, people knew who he was.

Mhm.

So, he ended up purchasing a large home on Roxbury Drive in Beverly Hills.

Oo, fancy.

He had this big swimming pool, so he spent his time swimming in his pool, heading to the beach, smoozing people in Hollywood over some really good Chinese food. That was like his preferred.

I love that. Over Chinese food.

Yeah. And he also liked to travel. So he traveled a lot back to New York City, which is I think you know where he still had a lot of friends and and a life there. Uh but he also sailed on the Queen Mary numerous times. I think it was four times total to visit Paris when sister was living in Paris. So he'd hop on the Queen Mary.

His life sounds dreamy,

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right? Old Hollywood. It really is.

Yeah.

He had quite a few children, both biological and stepchildren. And I would like to say that he spent time with his children. I'm not so sure if that's true.

Okay.

But he was a guy who like romanticized life, right? I feel like

he was tap dancing through life.

He was tap dancing through life. In a way, I feel like to make it in Hollywood, you kind of have to romanticize things and just like be okay with constant rejection and just

honestly to make it through life, you kind of have to romanticize things. Yeah,

totally. So, yeah, he romanticized life. He definitely had this idea of like what his life could be like in Hollywood. And he also believed in love. He got married. Then he got divorced. Then he got married again. And then he got divorced. And then he got married again. And then he got divorced. How many times? And then he got married again. Four four marriages.

Four marriages. Cuz he was a hopeful guy, right? He had big dreams.

It didn't work out. It will work out a different time.

If if you fail, try again. In Hollywood, in romance, business, marriage, it's the same.

We are. Yeah.

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Marty rises from the dead

Marty, at just 61 years old, after a battle with leukemia, Marty suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and he passed away. His legacy in old Hollywood left with him at his grave until one day when Marty woke up again.

Not in his grave, but in a little boy living in the 21st century.

Wait, so Marty is Among Us?

Marty's Among Us. Marty was born in 2004.

Marty's a Gen Z.

Mart is even Gen Z. What's the one below it?

I guess it's Gen Z. You're right. You're right.

Yeah, Gen Z.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like alpha sounds scary. We should be scared of them.

Millennials are like

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we're becoming such like old We're becoming boomers. No, no, no. Cuz boomers are the ones like no offense to boomers. Our you know a lot of boomers. Our parents are boomers and stuff, but I feel like boomers are the ones that are like millennials like you know they find a problem with the other generations. Millennials are the generation that fold and we're just like afraid of whatever you want us to do. Just leave us alone. We won't answer our doors and we're going to get bullied by other generations.

You want to say that we're idiots. Okay, we're idiots now. Stop talking to me.

Yeah, I know.

I feel like we just take it.

Millennials take it. We don't fight for ourselves. We've been through too much. Okay, so Marty Martin was born now once more in 2004 as Ryan Hammonds, a young boy from Oklahoma who around age four started telling his mom that he believed he used to be someone else. We haven't done a good reincarnation episode in so long.

I know. And I had this slated for sometime next year, but I was like, I got to bring it. I got to bring it up.

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This is a good into the holidays holiday season.

Yeah, it is because I have a scary story next week. But in a way, this is kind of like a miracle, you know, like

it is.

It is feel good. It is. There's something Christmy about it.

Okay. So, he said that he believed he was someone else. Someone with a glamorous life in old Hollywood with a different family and death that he remembered vividly.

Oh, this is one of the world's most widely studied modern cases of potential reincarnation memory. And no matter what your belief system is, Ryan's story has a way of leaving people feeling befuddled. He remembers a lot of facts. And I'm actually going to read a good amount of them. So, this one's for the skeptics. Let us know how you feel.

How do you Yeah. How do you explain this?

No. But I wrote this one's for the skeptics. One for people looking for belief in something more or just to experience the joy and wonder of getting lost in a story that feels so miraculous and so otherworldly. My coffee just

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tasted like Chinese food. And I think it's because like I mentally am now thinking about Chinese food that I

That feels like a superpower, like a secret.

But I didn't like it.

Like I didn't want my coffee to taste like Chinese food. So Ryan Hammonds was

Ryan Hammon's first memories

a happy ordinary kid growing up in Oklahoma. Nothing unusual in the beginning of his life. No Hollywood connections, no obsession with old movies, nothing that could possibly indicate the direction in which Ryan's memories would start to unfold. Plus, Marty Martin's not famous by any means. Like, I've never heard of Marty Martin before this. So, it's not like, oh, he saw James Dean on TV and was like, "Oh, that was me in a past life."

Exactly. Yeah. He was an extra.

He was in like a couple movies.

A tap dancer on

and then otherwise he just was an agent, right?

You know, like he wasn't there's not films about this guy,

right?

So, Ryan's parents were middle class. They were religious. They were very grounded. It seemed by the description of them that they were most likely not listeners of Two Girls One Ghost who were seeking out paranormal stories like we share. But just after turning four

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years old, Ryan began waking up in the middle of the night with these really intense nightmares. Each night he would start to like dread going to sleep. It was really tough for him. And then he'd wake up just like crying and and telling his mom he has a secret to tell her, but she can't tell anyone. And he's like, "You can't even tell dad." Okay. She's like, "Okay." And Ryan says, "I think I used to be somebody else."

And he's four, which is also the age that people, a lot of children

have these memories. Yeah.

Every night, Ryan started to tell his mom the stories, more and more memories that he had, memories from his past. And his mom said that it basically felt like living with someone with Alzheimer's like when sundowner comes because she said every night around bath time and bedtime he suddenly would just like it wasn't like a trance. It was just like he was overwhelmed and overcome with all these new memories. It was like a whole another life was flooding.

Well, it is wild. I mean could you

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imagine being conscious of your past life but being stuck in the body of a child where you don't have autonomy? You don't have the ability to be who you think you are,

right? And where you were used to living, Los Angeles or New York City, now you're in Oklahoma, like even your your scenery around you is just so different from what you were used to.

Yeah. So very scary. So as he would take a bath and his mom would like get him ready for bed, this was something that she would openly and like willingly participate in. She would ask him about his memories. They would talk about it. It seemed to help him. And other people might think that this is just like a childhood imagination, right? Like he's really getting creative with these stories. He's gonna be a great storyteller. But for Ryan's mom, she was like, I knew right away that this was different because his language, like his vocabulary would change when he was telling these stories. He would cry. He would say he wanted to go back home, meaning Hollywood,

a place which he'd never been, by the

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way.

Right.

And then he kept adding really specific details. And this went on for years. like four years till he was eight. Till he was eight around eight. Yeah.

Okay. Wait, sorry. I know that the story will continue, but do you think he will meet one of his past wives from his past life in this life and it will be like the last their chance to like actually fully

Oh, interesting.

Be together forever.

I don't know.

It will work this time.

Maybe.

Part of me was like, well, like what was it a horrible marriage? I don't want them to have to like

Well, he had four to pick from.

One of them were good. I don't know. That's true.

I don't want to wish that. I don't I don't know details about their

romantic relationships. I won't wish that upon Ryan who

I wish him happiness.

It's only How old is he now?

21. Congratulations. Here's a shot.

Let's just send a bottle of whiskey to Ryan Hanss. Okay, so this is going on for years. He keeps recalling these memories. His mom

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is writing them down, but he just keeps like coming up with more and more specific memories. So, a few things he said. The Hollywood home he asked to return to, it had a street name. He remembered it had the word rock in it,

which if you remember Marty Martin Liberty, Roxbury Drive.

Wow.

He talked about dancing on Broadway in the 1920s. He spoke about traveling the world. He said he owned a big house with a swimming pool. He remembered his time working in the film industry, acting alongside May West. So, it's like literally every detail.

Drinking with Rita Hayworth. What a flex. Drinking with Rita Hayward,

right? And then there were a couple memories where it was like talking about that Mary girl, which was like Marilyn Monroe, and about how like you no one could get close to her cuz she was so popular. Everyone wanted to talk to her and like

So, who was she really? Could you really get close to the real Marilyn?

Right. And then he was trying to talk to her one time and he like nearly got beat up and it was just like all this other stuff. Then he talked about his other mama. He talked about the three children

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he had.

He said when he died his heart exploded which you know like he his heart didn't actually explode but in a way like

when you die

his brain had explosion basically that uh stopped his heart.

And these were just some of the random bits that he shared. I'll share a lot more soon. But this was just so far beyond a child's imagination creating and crafting a story because as he told these memories, his mom was like he was so griefilled

like it was it was not just like some random account like you could feel that his soul was feeling it.

And so Ryan's parents are not sure what to do. And Ryan's dad by the way is a police officer and he was like I have investigated and interrogated so many people right in my line of work. And he was like, "Obviously Ryan's my kid, so I want to believe him."

So I can tell my son is telling the truth,

right? Yeah. So he's like, you know, like you want to believe your kid by default. He's like, "But the way that he tells it, that his body language, the way his eyes are shifting, like all that stuff that you would learn to look for like

it just so like totally seemed truthful

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the whole time."

Well, because it's one thing too for a kid to, you know, have an imagin an active imagination and spin a story, like a one time story, but this is happening night after night. This is happening for four full years.

Yeah,

it's more.

It is. And I also feel like it goes beyond like I feel like if you're encouraging a kid or like sometimes they can like very quickly start spinning tails and it gets wild and wild, but it doesn't seem to be that for Ryan. It's like if he doesn't remember something be I don't know. And then like maybe a year later like one small extra detail will come to him. Like it just feels so authentic.

This is wild.

I know. This reminds me so much of um my favorite listener story we've ever read from we met her.

I know. Literally, we were fangirling. We're like

um is it Elsie or Elise?

I think it's Elise.

I think it's Elise, too. But

it was a really amazing past life story that a listener, a mother sent in about her daughter.

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Oh yeah, Elise. And we read it in multiple episodes. Let's see. We read it We read it first on Encounters 137. We also read it on a Patreon bonus and I think we read it again. We were like, "Wait, we love this." It's so good. It's

the photograph

so good.

Yeah. Okay. So, Cindy, who is Ryan's mom, her name is Cindy. She doesn't entirely know what to do for Ryan because he just like night after night feels plagued by these memories. She's listening to him. She's conversating with him. She's trying, but she feels like she needs to do something more. And so she starts taking out books on old Hollywood and will like sit with Ryan, flip through the pages and try to like learn about old Hollywood. Maybe this will like do something for his soul or satiate something in him that like he needs.

One day while reading a book about old Hollywood. It was specifically about the May West film Night After Night. Cindy is flipping through black and white photos, actors from the 1930s and 40s who are not household names today. Most people wouldn't know the majority of the actors in this film.

Yeah.

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And then Ryan suddenly and excitedly

exclaimed, "I found me." Oh my god. He points to a man who is not one of the Hollywood actors. In fact, this man is not named in the book. The book lists him as a Hollywood extra. So now they have a photo, but they don't have the name because Ryan couldn't remember his name. Well, especially because he didn't go by his actual birth name either, you know?

Right. And I have, if you're watching on YouTube, I have some like photos. I showed this photo earlier in the episode, but like look at him cheesing a just a happy guy. He's so sweet. I watched there's there was like an NBC special on him. They did like some media circuit. I am so curious cuz I'm just thinking about as a teenager like how embarrassed was he by the story or how much did he not want like because I'm sure he got to a point in life where he didn't remember those things anymore. He did

and but he is his story has been shared with so many people. It's been so

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researched.

Like was there a phase of life where he was just like stop talking about it mom? I don't know. I feel like it depends on your own personality and like the upbringing you had. You either embrace it or you

cuz I feel like I like my upbringing it never it would have always been like yeah that was so freaking cool. But I also grew up in a haunted home ever ever present conversation.

But it's hard cuz and I think this is a tough thing that people have with reincarnation just generally. It's this idea that then your own life isn't really your own and that like you aren't your own individual soul that you which I believe in universal consciousness which also if anyone's watching the new you should watch it the new Apple show pluberous.

Yeah. Yes. Brian and I are watching

it's plur plurabus plurabus. Pluribus whatever

you made it really hard to say.

Yeah. It's from the guy who created Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. The woman from Better Call Saul.

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Yeah. Is the main actress.

The main actress. And it's so good. It's about this like

alien disease.

Yes. Which like creates a universal consciousness where everyone is fully connected, but there's certain individuals just like a handful

that don't get affected across the entire world. And one of them ends up being the most cynical

people in the world. And like now she has to find a way to save humanity.

Yeah. It's so good. But it is this idea of like so they are all basically universal consciousness. So they there's no individuality. There's no making decisions for yourself,

right?

And that's kind of like one of the themes because she had not it's not going to spoil anything, but like she plus a couple of the other people that weren't affected have these conversations in the show where like some of them are like well why is this a bad cuz she's like we have to save humanity. And they're like why is this a bad thing? There's no war. No one's hungry. Like works together like we finally have world peace but she's like but at what expense

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right we've lost all humans like persons

but so like with this I wonder how much it would influence your life in terms of decisions you make for yourself

or how you feel about yourself

I'm glad you asked that because I think it's like the last line I wrote in this episode you'll hear a small answer to that

okay so Ryan finds himself the man listed as a Hollywood extra so Cindy's like, "We have the biggest clue we've had so far. I need to do some real digging." So, Cindy goes into research mode. She's looking for clues from the book. She's got the information that Ryan has told her. And soon she learns the real name of this man. His name is Marty Martin, a former movie extra turned Hollywood agent. He danced in the film Night After Night, which is why he was in that book.

He worked on Broadway. He traveled to Paris and later he became a powerful studio agent. So many facts about Marty Martin's life matched perfectly with details that Ryan shared from his past.

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Right. That's the wild part is cuz it could have been like, "Oh, I oh that's me." And then the details didn't match up and it's like, "Okay, moving on." But no, it's like everything,

right? Like the Roxberry like, "Oh, I lived on a street that had rock in it in a big house with a pool."

Like his family, the Yeah. Literally everything. Most of the details Ryan recalled because there were there were dozens of facts that he over the years had shared were not even on the internet at the time. D using other researchers and experts and stuff and doing some real digging, they found old documents that weren't

readily available anywhere on the internet,

right?

And realized that everything was matching.

That's amazing.

Yeah. So, the Hammonds family eventually

proof of reincarnation

sought help from Dr. Jim Tucker, a University of Virginia psychiatrist known for studying children with past life memories. And I think that we've talked about him before

because he is one of the really big names. So I think in some of the modern day cases, we've covered a few in the past. I think that he also was working with them. Um

he's the reincarnation guy.

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He's the reincarnation guy. So he trained under the late Dr. Ian Stevenson who spent decades cataloging thousands of cases worldwide and at the University of Virginia where Dr. Jim Tucker is working. He works in the division of perceptual studies and they're studying past life memories. And what makes it so unique is that in these studies, these cases that they study are not to prove anything, but to methodically document what can't be explained away, which is in some way proving something, right? Because you're proving that what we know isn't all that we know. Yeah. But I like the approach, too, cuz they're not like you can't come at someone who's like, "Well, I'm not trying to prove reincarnation. I'm just literally listing all of the facts that can't be

explained and collecting data that way to group together. What that will equate to in the future when we eventually crack the code, who knows?

We don't know.

So, in the over 200 cases studied at UVA, here are some of the key

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characteristics that pop up time and time again in these past life cases. Memories begin around ages 2 to four. So, four for Ryan.

Mhm. Memories fade around age 6 to 7. It was around 8 for Ryan. Children recall traumatic deaths more frequently. Names, places, occupations, and family structures are remembered with surprising detail. Many children express grief for their other family, which definitely happened. He was talking a lot about his other mama. And verified correspondences often match people who died abruptly.

So for Ryan, all of this was true for him.

That's interesting. Like an abrupt death means that you're more likely to recall your past life in your future life cuz you're

you don't have closure.

Which is similar to like why people say ghosts exist like this lingering unfinished business

until 50 years later they get plucked and planted into a little boy

in Oklahoma 2004.

Yeah. I mean like think about it. Marty Martin could have just been haunting a

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place for 50 years,

right? Or just like lost in the ether.

Yeah.

Which also is very sad. Oh, it is very sad. Did I tell you my new theory about residual hauntings?

No.

So, the other day, I don't even know. I was just driving and I was thinking and like my brain randomly went back to this moment from like when I was like 14 and I was like what if because I just thought about it if someone's in that room that like where it happened there's a haunting that happens because it was it's a traumatic thing that I was thinking about which I've done a lot of therapy on so I don't think about it often anymore but like

what if a residual haunting is when the living person recalls that memory the like energy that was left there is like triggering

comes alive again because it's still attached to you,

right?

Oh, that's so interesting. It's very creepy.

I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just It's a hypothesis out there in the world for you now.

I like that. Here's the thing. Everything could be true

and nothing could be true.

Mhm.

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We could be not real figments of your imagination. You're actually crazy. All right. So, Dr. Tucker, he's brought in. He meets Ryan. He interviews Ryan's family and he investigates all of the claims that Ryan's making. So, I'm going to go through like a a bunch more of the things that he said, but like for example, some of the things that were verified. Ryan said he danced in New York. Marty performed on Broadway.

Ryan said he had a big house with a pool. Marty had a stately Beverly Hills home.

Okay. Bragging

the the street rock, Roxberry Drive. Ryan stated he had three sons. He actually had three kids, a daughter, and then I think two sons. Um,

does that say something about Marty? He always wanted all sons.

Yeah. But then like in the whole investigation, they they actually realized that Ryan had actually said he had three kids. He never said sons, but his own parents had just assumed sons and had repeated that he had three sons. Okay. So Ryan actually didn't say that. And then plus he had a bunch of stepids because he was married a million times.

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Yeah.

Ryan talked about traveling to Paris. Marty traveled to Paris on the Queen Mary.

Ryan said he died when his heart exploded. He had a cerebral hemor hemorrhage which stopped his heart

and he died. Ryan said he worked for people and made lots of money and that he worked for an agency. Marty became a successful Hollywood agent representing old Hollywood stars. Ryan said he died at age 61, which he died at 61. Marty's death certificate said that he died at age 59, but he actually

they got in contact with Marty Martin's daughter. She said, "Oh, the death certificate is wrong. My father died at age 61." Chills, right? So, Ryan's memory.

Wait, so they even talk back against historical records?

But they also talk to Marty's daughter.

Yeah.

Did Marty's daughter ever meet Ryan?

I actually have no idea. I'm not sure.

I don't know if I'd want to like as the daughter, I'd be like, "No, that like that's his life. Like I want him to have his own life."

Yeah.

I'd be curious, but

I know. And also, I'm thinking like she she was he was such a young young kid

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and she was probably

older. Yeah.

Much older.

Yeah. I'm including some screenshots of some of the notes that I don't know if his mom took these notes or if the researcher took these notes, but there's just like a a list of some of the things that Ryan shared. I'm going to rapid fire 47 facts. Should have been 61. Okay. Actually, I'm going to not read the ones that I've already read.

Okay. Okay.

He said he was very rich. He said there was a brick wall at his house. He said he brought coloring books home for his kids. He said that he had some boys that weren't his, but he gave them his name. So I think like his last name and they got remarried. He had trouble with his oldest stepdaughter. She wouldn't listen. She didn't respect him.

Daughters, they leave an impact on the afterlife. His mother had curly brown hair. He bought his daughter a dog when she was about six.

She did not like the dog.

He hated cats.

Okay, rude, Marty. He had a green car. He didn't let anyone else drive the green car.

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He drove a nice black car, too. The agency he ran changed people's names just like creating

right even his own name

stage names. He tap danced on stage. The stage was in New York City. He saw the world on big boats. He danced with pretty ladies. He ate in Chinatown a lot.

He loved Chinese food.

He got skin burns in Hollywood. I don't know what that means. Is that like I feel like a cosmetic thing where they would

Let's see. In researching something for Crimes of, I learned that people used to like extract arsenic and put it on their faces because it like lightened their skin

going on back then.

Yeah.

Yikes. Skin burns in old Hollywood a hazard for actors and stunt performers.

Oh,

basically from pyrochnics and dangerous makeup, which makes sense when you think about like the Wizard of Oz and things like that where everyone's just like constantly being poisoned,

right?

He played piano. He took his girlfriends to the ocean. He had

girlfriends. I love that.

He had many girlfriends. He knew Rita Hayworth. She made ice drinks.

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Bread was his favorite food. He had a pretty big sunglass collection. He was a smoker. He also had many affairs. He never had any problems getting ladies. He liked to watch surfers on the beach. He owned guns. He didn't have a TV when he was a little boy. He had a radio first. He hated FDR cuz he was a Democrat. You go to a room with numbers on the door before dying. Like a hospital room.

Oh, okay. I thought like before dying.

Yeah, before dying.

For some reason, I thought like your like spirit starts to like go to a

who knows

like a hallway.

He said quote, "I'm not five. I'm closer to 105." Which if you did the math when he said that, when he said, "I'm closer to 105."

Yeah.

If Marty Martin had been alive, he would have just turned 106. He died at age 61. Whoa. And then a couple of my favorite others, there were a couple more. He and George made films together and he was friends with a cowboy guy that was in

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Night After Night. This cowboy did cigarette commercials. There was a scene in the movie in Night After Night where there was a closet full of guns and Night After Night was about a guy who had been a boxer. The cowboy friend had a horse. He remembers a lot about his cowboy friend. His cowboy friend did a whole bunch of westerns. He believed Teddy Roosevelt was the best president. Mayo was the guy that used to pay him to do movies.

I thought he was going to talk about mayonnaise.

I know. Mayo. Mayo. I don't know. He said, quote, "Mommy, I can't wait until I get big again, and I can go to those big fancy boats, wear fancy clothes, and dance with all the pretty ladies."

Sorry to disappoint you.

I know.

Life's not as magical.

And he also tried to teach his mom a dance that resembled a waltz. Oh my god. I hope when Ryan gets married, he and his mom do the Walt as their father daughter or mother son dance.

Oh my god, wouldn't that be amazing?

That' be so cute.

A So Dr. Tucker in working with Ryan to

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collect all of his memories and then compare them with any written records of Marty Martin's life. They were able and of course like there's plenty of memories that he has that there's no like actual physical proof or Yeah. record of, but it revealed that over 55 details that Ryan provided were accurate, specific, matched Marty's life, and the majority of this information was not publicly available anywhere. Damn. This case would become one of Tucker's Dr. Tucker's most compelling and widely cited investigations. And perhaps the most

accepting life after life

heartbreaking but beautiful part of the story is Ryan's reactions once his memories were validated. So Ryan's mother, Cindy, in doing a lot of her research to try to help Ryan when he was younger and he was struggling, she found other people online who had similar things happen to their kids, other parents of kids who believed that they lived another life,

right?

And a lot of these parents suggested like if you have the means to travel to the places that your kid is talking about, it does help bring them closure, it appears.

So they did that. They traveled during

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the investigation when they were working with Dr. Tucker. They traveled to Hollywood and to places that related to Marty Martin's life. And after this trip, memories started to fade a bit. And by age nine, all of the anxiety, all of the nightmares, the night terrors, the like sundowners memories seemed to stop as if his soul just needed the closure. Needed to recognize what happened to him. Needed to be recognized as Marty Martin. And now that that happened, Ryan could finally settle into the new life that he had, into life as Ryan Hammonds. He stopped calling the Hammonds his new family. He stopped

What an honor as a mother like finally I'm not the new family. I'm finally his mom.

He stopped asking about his other mama. He stopped bringing up his death. And today Ryan Hammond said he barely remembers any of it. But what is super amazing and this kind of goes back to what you were talking about uh or asking. Ryan said he could feel things from Marty's life that Marty did not want to repeat.

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Oh, that's so beautiful. Mhm. So Marty was very greedy. He did a lot of time at work and sch smoozing and like really focused on himself and his career. He had no time for his family and for his children

and having lots of affairs.

Yes. Yeah. So Ryan could feel how negatively that affected Marty and Marty's soul. And so Ryan was like, I feel this so strongly. And he said this and I think he was like seven or eight years old. He was like, I need to live my life without greed. I'm not greedy. So, he's correcting the things that Marty potentially regretted most in his own life. A chance to do things differently. That reminds me, um, Jacob Olardi, who is like everyone's crush right now, cuz Frankenstein um, and Euphoria, but he he just seems like a good person. He did an interview recently where he was asked like, "What's one thing like you wish about like people?" And he said, "I wish people felt more shame." like he thinks the world would be be a better place if people really had to feel the shame of

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their actions.

It's because the internet doesn't make you face yourself,

right? Yeah. So I was like, "Oh, I really like

you don't have to own your own like

which is like similar."

Yeah.

Ideology there. Don't be greedy and feel.

So Ryan Hammond's case, Marty Martin's case has left a lasting impact on this research and the belief in past lives. And does a past life exist within a person or does it simply exist all around? If a 4-year-old recalls the private life of a Hollywood agent who died decades earlier, where is that memory stored until then? Is consciousness local to the brain? Or is it something like a radio signal and the brain is just the receiver? Maybe the soul is bigger than just a single biography. Maybe consciousness is something ancient and vast, something that flickers through different lifetimes. Agreed.

Cases like Ryan's are captivating. It makes death seem a little less scary because it seems like it's a transition, not an end. And we all have the opportunity to live again, to try again, to dream again, to love again, to make

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mistakes again, to learn again.

And that is the reincarnation case of Ryan Hammonds, a boy with the memories of an old Hollywood agent, Marty Martin, and Broadway tap dancer.

Yeah.

Wow. That's a beautiful story. And it's so recent.

Yeah. Like we literally have Ryan amongst us.

Yeah.

When he just turned 21.

Ryan, where you at? Actually, let me do a quick uh

Instagram search. I was just like, should I look in our inbox? Like, what if what if we have Ryan Hammond? He He doesn't listen.

Just because he's never emailed us.

Yeah. I was like, well, this would be a case that you would email us, right? Say, hey, I remembered my past life.

Okay. Well, we do have so many listener stories about past lives that we should do an encounters that is all reincarnation. Like truly, it was so hard to pick because there are so many.

Mhm.

But I did pick one. This is called

listener story

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Creepy Kid. Three-year-old recalls his past life in Hoboken, New Jersey.

That's great. Hi, Karen and Sabrina. I'm such a big fan and I've been listening forever and have been a self-proclaimed ghost girl since elementary school. Hopefully, you have a creepy kid episode coming up that you can use because this is a story of some interesting snippets of a past life that my son has been bringing up over the past year or so. So, my son just turned three in August. Let's call him E. He has a pretty unique name, so I'd like to keep it private. I've always said he's an old soul. The only song that could get him down was American Pie by Don McClean. I would sing the entire version, and in 8 minutes and 16 seconds, he'd be out. While I know while we look nearly identical, E has curly, dirty blonde hair and bright blue eyes. And my husband and I have dark hair and dark eyes. So, he looks more like my grandfather's side of the family. He has always been chatty. But around 2 and a half, he started to bring up some interesting, to say the least, memories

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that did not belong to him. So, here are a couple snippets. We were eating dinner at my aunt's house. We're a tight-knit family from New Jersey, and we spent a lot of time together. But here's how the combo went. My son said, "This is my family." I said, "Yep, we're all here. This is your family." My son said, "Except for my daughter." And I said, "Who's your daughter?" My son said, "Amanda, she has yellow hair and she lives in the sky." So, one day I'm giving him bath. This is another snippet. And he starts to complain of his back pain. I keep asking him about it, like, "Did he fall at daycare? Is something wrong? I'm looking for bruises, anything." And I ask, "Why does your back hurt?" He looks at me, he goes, "Lifting all that ice."

I ask, "What? When were you lifting ice?" "For years. That's how we paid the rent."

Years of hard labor. It follows you into the next terrible.

So, it looks like young men used to

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carry ice to apartments before modern-day luxury of refrigerators. They would literally carry slabs of ice to kitchens. Another snippet. We were swimming at a resort pool for what felt like hours and I'm begging him to get out. So I say, "Come on, let's get out and dry up." And he looks at me, he says, "Yes, let's play bingle swish." I'm like, "What the fuck?" And he says, "The game." And I'm like, "Okay, who taught you that game?" He looks at me and says, "Murray at the shop. We play all the time." I love Murray at the shop. I love how it's just like some kids are like like in the case of Ryan where it's like he's kind of pained and confused by remembering this stuff, but

this kid is just like Murray of course.

Like he really just it almost feels like he's not even recalling this is a past life. He's like no no no like my past life is my current life. Yeah, he still is.

Remember Murray from the shop and all my paper with the ice? What the hell?

So I ask who is Murray? And my son says your cousin. So, I look it up and it seems like Bin

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Cole Swish is a version of Ben Cole, a card game played in the 40s and 50s. Swish is a faster hand. I'm trying to teach myself on YouTube before he forgets so I can play with him.

What? That is the coolest thing ever.

I know.

Think about that. Like to say that you got to play a card game with your son's past life,

right? And it's it's not a game that any child would know. I've never heard of that before.

You should have him teach you. So, I'm not aware of any cousin named Murray, but I have my sister looking into it. Well, this part also makes me wonder if she was a part of his past life in some way, too,

right? Like, it's lineage wise. It doesn't work with like their current

Yeah.

line. But,

we were getting coffee one morning and we're waiting in line and the song Papa Loves Mambbo comes on and he starts swaying and says, "I love this song. I used to dance to this in college." Now, we're huge fans of Sesame Street. The song goes, "Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street?" And one, "Can you tell me how to get how to get to Sesame

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Street?"

So, one day I overhear him playing and singing, "Can you tell me how to get to 11 Jackson Street?" And I go, "That's not our address, Bud." He goes, "Yes, I live in a small red house, so we have an address." He doesn't even know his own address, but he recalls his address from his past life. We don't have a Jackson Street in our town. Another snippet. Most recently, we were at a brewery and our group brought a speaker and iPhone to jam. There were a few other kids and they were all requesting songs to sing and dance to. And he comes up to me and asks for his song and started to sing. Should all acquaintance be forgot and never brought to mind should all acquaintance be forgot and days of along sign? We were all shocked. We put it on. My cousin put on the first one she found on Spotify which was by Ingred Michaelelsson. And he quickly said, "No, not this one. He wanted the Virgin by Guy Lombardo. My family stares in shock as he knew every single word. I don't have video of him at the brewery, we were so in shock and didn't even think to tape it. However, I asked him to sing

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it again later that night and the video is attached. I've started doing research into my family history with the help of my sister. And I know that my grandfather had a cousin named Amanda who he was very close to and Amanda was like the name of the daughter. They lived in Hoboken, New Jersey, where there is a Jackson Street. Since he had mentioned we're cousins, it may be a viable lead. So, is it possible that my son is my grandfather's uncle? We're planning to take him to Hoboken to see if anything comes up. But yeah, I really wanted to share my creepy kids story, Love the Pod. See you on the other side. Justine.

Oh my god.

And this was sent to us in October. So, it's a recent It's an ongoing past life

Yeah.

experience. I'm so curious too if you did go to any like historian from Hoboken if you could like figure out in like the 40s and 50s the shop that Murray worked at because like it probably isn't that anymore. It's probably like swanky restaurant or something,

right? Cuz there's no ice shops now. Like not like that.

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Yeah, but like where was that? Where was the ice shop?

Hoboken does, I feel like, have a lot of its heritage still in place. like they have like old signs and like old painting on the bricks that

doesn't apply to what the stores are now, but they kind of like paint the past. Okay, so I'm going to play

so cool.

I'll play a couple seconds of this video. We're not going to put the video in to not show the face of the kid.

He's eating a snack while singing. Oh my gosh, this is so amazing. I feel like he provided so many details.

So many

like I what I love with this is you feel like you can get a sense of his personality before.

Oh, absolutely.

Like that's coming through 100%. So cool. God, I hope I hope Noah has some memories, please.

Okay, I'm just going to read one more. It's a short one.

Okay. Yeah, cuz I love this too much.

Okay, this is also a similar It's from

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Jess. It's a creepy kid with a past life story. Hey ladies, furry princess and Sven. I have no idea if you read my previous email as I'm not listening in order. We do email you when we read your story, but I'm currently at work listening to episode 191 and I work at Amazon overnights. As many know that can be painfully boring, so I listen to y'all. People walking by seeing everything from me laughing to balling my eyes out with your stories. Okay, but now my story or my daughter's story. My daughter Nova who will be eight on January 23rd. That was 2023. So, but she used to tell everyone the river story. Now, I know kids tell weird stories, but she literally told this to everyone for a few years, and it started when she was only about 2 and 1/2 years old and really started to talk in small sentences. My sister caught on about her telling everyone, so she asked me about it, and I told her I thought it was just a dream she had, but then my sister was like, "Let's sit her down." So, we decided to sit her down for more details. So, this is the story from Nova's perspective from 2 and 1/2 years

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old, completely unprompted. I was walking by the river and I fell in. Then the alligator came out and chomped chomp chomped me away. Here are the list of questions we asked her about the story and her answers. We said, "Was this a dream?" "No, mommy, it really happened." When did it happen? Before I came to you. How did you come to mommy? I was born. Can you describe the river? There were lots of trees and the ocean was on the other side of the river. I asked, "Who was with you?" And Nova said, "My sister." I asked if her sister helped. And Nova said, "She tried, but the water was I asked, "What was the weather like?" She said, "Sunny and hot." Ladies, my dad is from a huge family in southeast Georgia. It's all swampland and there are lots of gators. So, I'm curious.

Oh, that's what I was just thinking. I was like, "Okay, somewhere between like Georgia and North Carolina."

Yeah. So, I'm curious if she's a reincarnated family member.

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She did stop telling the story around 5 years old and now when asked, she doesn't remember the story or any of its details.

Wow.

I just had another baby in April and I had a baby girl. So, I'm dying to find out if she says anything similar or if my oldest will have more details since the baby is here. I love you ladies and wanted to thank you for giving us all a safe space to share our stories. If I can't see you on this side, but I hope to, then I'll see you on the other side. love Jess.

I mean, again, like a traumatic death,

right?

And you just recall your death in in the next life.

Chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp. And the like the ocean, like the water going it like not to be extra grim, but like it reminds me of like the alligator like when they do like the barrel roll, right? Like they're the water does feel like it's like all around you because you're

you're being it's dangerous.

It's the death roll.

Yeah.

What a terrible way to go.

I know. I mean, death is scary, but it's not the end. And I think that's

not the end

the message of this episode.

Yeah.

And our podcast

and merry holidays.

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And if you have ghost stories, please email them to us at two girls and ghostodcast@gmail.com.

And if you're an alien deep within the void and you want to come visit,

abduct me.

Beam Sabrina app. Just say, "Would you like to play game?"

Say, "Sure.

Sure." Um, why not around and find out? Which is what I'm all about and Karina is not.

Yeah.

Boundaries safety.

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Oh my gosh. Yeah, our holiday cards are coming out soon.

They're they should be in the mail by the time this comes out.

Yes, that's true. We love you all. Thank you to our editor Jamie and thank you to our producer Emma. We're so grateful. Couldn't do it without all of you. And thank you to all of you for listening. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

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Very spooky.