Corinne Welcomes Baby Noah & These Families are Cursed AF | Black Magic & Hauntings (x236)

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very spooky hi it's me from the present and visiting the past because we recorded this episode kind of a while back and I have a very special update that I'm sure if you follow us on social media you have seen But Ken and Brian have welcomed their baby boy Noah into this world and while Karen is going to be on maternity leave I'm going to pop in a little bit occasionally to give some updates and also comment on some outdated things that we said in the past but this is a note from Karen she says we welcome a healthy baby boy Noah on

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June 11th his early ejection attempt was going quite well but he did a few too many Twirls in utero and got a bit Tangled Up Karin is recovering from the C-section and Noah has very easily adjusted to life outside of the womb born to a Gemini father and Leo mother Noah was born with his son in Gemini and moon in Leo that's pretty cool he is not yet reported on any ghostly sightings or past lives though the hospital's maternity War is haunted I wonder if Ken has any ghost stories from the maternity Wing Ken Brian and baby are all home happy and healthy I know a lot of people do want to send well wishes and little gifts Karen would kill me for saying this and she would say absolutely do not do that but we do have a PO box if you want to send anything I am going to be making visits every once in a mile to her and to my nephew as creepy Aunt duties that I I have put on myself Ken

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has not asked me to be such but alas she is stuck with me okay back to the past SL episode hi I feel like this is going to be a spooky episode the setting is right it is and we have a theme over

Manifesting friendship

here for today you forgot you picked that I forgot I picked and I was like oh I need more time I didn't pick any stories for this I didn't realize you chose the theme and you were like you chose the theme like oh well I did half the homework I was the teacher but then I I wasn't the student at the but you have prepared them now now you have them yeah I think that that was actually a great example of what pregnancy has done to my brain I have about 30% of any thought or action completed and then it's completely forgotten about like I've been the worst worker I'm the worst at keeping my house together like I'm just the worst at everything because I only get 30% there and then I'm done you have an excuse what what's my excuse but I'm not used I'm not used to it is my excuse that you and I share brain cell and so

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whatever you're going through I'm going through is that how this works oh you're preparing for your maternity leave as well oh this is two girls one ghost two girls one ghost and we are your ghostesses that's Karen Sabrina and it does make me sad that we're like on the same Coast within hours of each other but we are not able to record together right at this moment no we will in the future you know what I think about a lot is and I've like had conversations about this recently where I'm like okay if I were to move back to the east coast my first thought is always to move either to Marblehead or closer like just generally closer to you and not to be right next to my family neor oh my God that is funny it's also funny because like you love Marblehead so much that you post pictures of Marblehead and so I think people like when you're when you're there and I'm going to say this and I don't mean this as fighting words but I think sometimes you forget that you're coming to see me and not Marblehead and that Marblehead just happens to also be

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here okay fair it is one of those like weird backwards things though because despite not physically seeing you in person I spend more time with you than anyone else in my life I wanted to pause for a second hi this is me in present day visiting past us because kin and I here are talking about how every time I visit Marblehead and don't really treat it as if I'm visiting her well guess what present day me lives in Marblehead and is a 30-minute drive from kin so after two years plus of her manifesting me moving across the country to being closer to her and to be in Massachusetts I'm officially a masshole what's up I'm in my house in Marble Hood right now you can see my books you can also see the reflection of me so if there is anything weird in the mirror besides my own reflection uh this is a haunted house so stay tuned on that but yeah just wanted to point out I do live in Marblehead and I am neighbor now yes

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well I've told you this so many times that I never in the past 3 or four years have ever remembered to include you on a guest list for anything because you are me and I am you and it's just a given exactly okay so we are one every single time anything happens people are like well are you going to invite Sabrina and I was like isn't she already coming doesn't she already know doesn't she already know because I'm thinking of the event so she must already know what happening we should try an exercise of sinking our brains I think if we did enough work on it if we found some way to do this I don't know what the science is but I think we could make it happen oh my gosh that would actually be so nice cuz then I wouldn't have to we wouldn't have to text right you know okay wait will you focus really really focus on a food a food item like 17 of them ran through my head but okay I'm focused on one I'm thinking of one I'm envisioning it I feel its texture I'm looking at its colors is it a lemon no but I I knew that you were going to

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guess lemon because that was a pregnancy craving and I just ate a lemon the other day I was thinking of a plum okay we have some work to do I know I feel like it would take us a really long time when people play that game where they're like trying to say the same thing I do think really long time we tried that backstage in Minnesota and we were so bad at it I also freeze up a lot I like second guiss myself right because I'll think of one thing and then I'll think of like five more things and then I'll be like wait am I supposed to say the first thing or the one that just came to my mind that's like ready to be spoken agreed and also then sometimes I'm like am I thinking that because I want that thing like the first thing I thought immediately was like sausages and that's because where my mom is not a fruit they finally well I didn't say fruit I said think of a food oh you did I misheard you there was only fruit in my mind wait well you know what's interesting is I said food and I still went to fruit and you heard fruit so okay we closer than we thought here we are baby we basically got it right okay but this

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do you want to tell everyone the theme I can't imagine you remember why you picked it but what's the theme you picked you know I'm going to guess that we had read an email that had to do with some family curse and you probably said oh we should do a family curses episode and I wrote in the Excel family curse episode question mark like months forward and that's why I forgot about it but we are going to talk about curses curses and curses that have Afflicted people and their families yes we are

Cursed women in the house

this is from our listener dill and it actually Dill sent it to us in 2018 hey see this is proof I do feel like every few episodes we do read some from 2018 yeah which I think is we didn't get emails until 2018 right I think people maybe sent a couple in 2017 2017 well if they did those were for sure readed because I don't think we had much we had yeah we were immediately reading anything that hit our inbox okay so this is from a listener dill and it's a it's called all the women in my house are apparently cursed hi girls I been waiting so long till I finally caught up

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with all the episodes before sending you my spooky encounters now I cannot vouch for the truth in what I'm going to tell you but it is what my mother has drilled into me so it is what it is I'm going to lay down the groundwork my mother grew up in Malaysia very poor with an abusive mother she was both mentally and sometimes physically abusive which has resulted in my mother suffering from depression most of her life she has also experienced times with suicidal adiation in 1990 she married my father my father is from signapore her marriage was supposed to be an escape from living in her then terrible conditions so she was so excited to move to signapore unfortunately my dad turned out to be an absolute and life was not easier for her she was in a marriage that wasn't working and was struggling to make it in a new country the details of the next couple of years aren't very important but in summary my mother had me and my older brother in the six years after her marriage and both her parents ended up moving in with her so essentially my grandmother wanted to mooch off my mother and continue tormenting her my grandma and dad did

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not get along at all however Grandpa was a kind soul and my mother loved him dearly everyone did I don't think growing up surrounded by that much negativity is the best and to add my mother had her own mental health issues which she refused to address so as you would suspect it led my brother and I to not exactly having the healthiest or best childhoods both of us struggled with mental health issues of our own and it's mostly a result of our home environment and Toral relationships with our parents to this day my parents are still married but since birth I have never seen them actually behave like a married couple unless we were around relatives but enough of that let's talk about the spooky shiz as a child and even till now I have been extremely fascinated with the Paranormal and Supernatural world this interest only really started because of all the weird things I experienced that my parents brushed off or ridiculed me for I never liked my grandma she gave me the most terrible Vibes for as long as I can remember her room always had this heavy feeling and I think it says something if as a young child I could notice this

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yeah when I was five we moved to a new flat and I had the joy of having my own room my room was directly opposite my grandparents room and their door was always closed but truly the second it was open you could feel the bad energy wow that's wild that it just permeates through the house I know this sentence makes me laugh my grandma being the absolute ass she is loved filling my room with her own crap and just generally invading my space and as a 5-year-old I was very vocal about not liking this and would just get told off and I'm not going to lie I hated her in my room because she would bring those vibes into the room too and my room I loved it was pink and unfortunately the more time she spent in there the more time I would be scared to be in there the air in my room would feel heavy and I would swear I could hear voices in there so thankfully I slept with my mom in the master bedroom every night and my dad and housemid would constantly switch between my brothers in my room as a kid I thought nothing of this but soon we will know

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otherwise ooh suspense sadly my grandpa passed away when I was eight and after that the air in the house changed my grandma was already a terrible person and she loved telling all of us off for just existing but she got worse after my Grandpa died so did her Vibes one day while my grandma was hogging my room to get dressed she wasn't even going anywhere but just got out of a shower and just came into my room and took 2 hours to get dressed I was super vocal about how I wanted her out ASAP my mother was screaming at me to stop being a little when suddenly there was a loud crash the ceiling light in my bedroom had fallen off the ceiling and hit my Grandma Square in the shoulder she was fine just a little sore and bruised this was a very new house and there was no reason that that should have fallen off naturally she left my room with my mom to get her shoulder sorted out and I ran into my room and instantly noticed that the air was way lighter like something changed Grandma truly never stepped into my room ever again she was afraid of any other incident so stayed that way for a while

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but then she developed a knack for decorating my room as her buying me little trinkets to put on display I sh you not with each new trinket she gave me the air of my room got heavier and heavier my dad is an alcoholic so it was not uncommon for him to be drunk off his ass and tell me things he shouldn't one day he spilled something that made many things become very clear to me apparently when I would sleep in my mom's bed with her and my dad and housemid kept switching rooms they did it because every time my dad slept in there he would see things so he asked the housemate to sleep in that room instead she started seeing things in the room constantly that's why they kept switching they would see figures standing over them even once the maid claimed someone sat on her chest while staring through the open door to my grandma's bedroom in the world definitely not right no needless to say my fear of my room increased exponentially and to add to that voices became more and more clear once it was Midday and I walked into my room to get something from my

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shelf I'm facing my shelf and I heard a very distinct female voice say hello from behind me I turned only to see the curtains shuffle a little bit and I just bolted this was one of the few things I remember distinctly but there are so many more my psychiatrist and I have figured that my brain has suppressed a lot of childhood memories which is probably why and maybe for the best fast forward I'm 19 I was very depressed and having suicidal ideations and I had only recently come out to my mom about my issues and it was not a fun ride that is when she sat down and told me this all of the women in our house were cursed apparently excuse me I feel like that should have been told far before this time I mean I feel like you probably don't want to believe it and if you acknowledge it like are you because you'll hear what the curse is but like you knew this before experiencing anything would it then cause you to experience those things whereas yeah and it's like the hope that it might stop or something right exactly okay so apparently my Grandma had had a first

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marriage that ended very badly the family of the man she was married to was not happy and apparently had cursed her when my grandma remarried my lovely Grandpa she very sadly had three miscarriages including one still birth apparently all of them were girls too she would have incredibly high fevers and poor health that would immediately disappear the minute those babies were gone my mom was not an easy birth either but somehow she was the only baby that survived wow she even experienced another still birth after that she then told me that I'd constantly see or witness strange spiritual activity and tell her about it my mom being the best Communicator ever apparently would just tell me I was lying and yell at me for lying I was genuinely terrified but I guess she wanted to scare the fear out of me I don't know did it work no no apparently all The Misfortune my mom grandma and I suffered was the result of this curse it made sense to me at the time because my brother had experienced literally nothing paranormal our entire childhood wow okay interesting my grandma got really sick a few years ago go she had an infection running rampant

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in her body and some of her systems were failing doctors could not see her surviving and she said that she started hallucinating she saw black figures standing in her room by this time my brother had gone to Australia for University and I was usually the only one home with her in the maid the air was Heavy I'd close my door to my room for privacy only to have the knob turn and open on its own multiple times a day sometimes I would smell a very specific floral scent in specific places in the house places where the air was still it was a smell of frop Pon flower a certain flower we cover corpses with in funerals we all expected Grandma's time to be coming to an end but one day she just woke up and was 100% fine infection was gone fever was gone we were all puzzled but the activity in the house did not disappear on the days grandma was not in a good mood or weaker little things would happen it has been a while since I've been home I've also come to Australia to study and it's been great to be out of that environment I try not to think too much about being cursed I'm pretty skeptical but sometimes things happen and I can't help but wonder I'm

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currently in a wonderful relationship with my boyfriend who has an amazing family which is something I'm not used to but I'm really thankful for however the first night I stayed over in their family home my boyfriend and I were up late working on assignments and at around 3:00 a.m. we heard a loud crash super spooked we went to the living room and found two large frames with family photos had fallen off two different walls at the exact same time whoa wait her family photos or his his his Family Photos okay it was definitely strange but nothing has happened since but when you're told you're cursed and a bad Omen something like that happening to a family you've just been accepted into makes you think thanks for reading I love your podcast you guys do this thing where despite the negativity and nature of the topic you talk about you make it a very positive experience I've also got stories of my high school campus having been a base for the Japanese Army back in World War II and it was the beach where they murdered prisoners of War it's down the road and that place was very active I can't wait to to your next episode love Dill d um this is giving me

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Practical Magic where Sandra Bullock hears the crickets chirping it's like the curse is coming the time is up with your partner who you love so much I hate that so much because it does feel like you know the at the end where it's like Dills with their boyfriend and then the family portraits are just it's like a reminder of like you can run you can think you have something but the family curse is always here I like how you're really leaning into the scary part of the curse I know D was like you always find a way to make it positive I'm like this is horrible this is horrible because we just brought things down in

Update on curses

past selves of ourselves and Dill was commenting about how we make things positive and a lot of things have changed since we recorded this episode I did want to pop in and make things positive again and comment on the news that I saw this week about a Practical Magic 2 coming out a prequel a sequel I know Alice Hoffman the author has

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written a couple of books there's rules of magic Practical Magic there's another one I think book of magic I have it on my bookshelf somewhere right behind me anyway I hope this is real I think it's real I think Alice Hoffman herself confirmed it but that's positive as heck news I hope we're all excited because I am now I'm going to reread the books just to get myself excited but then I'm going be like oh I have to wait for it anyway back to the past back to the episode h d here's the thing curses can be broken I know that for a fact I think if you are worried we can find a way I say we as if like I have confidence in myself but I I have confidence in our community and I have confidence in our Network like when we talk to Foo I feel like they have so much knowledge of a whole array of magic and Witchcraft and so yes Dale if you're concerned let's have a little uh curse conference maybe everyone in this episode we might need to do a little like group sesh to chat about it that sounds great you know I'm not feeling

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positive about this episode because I think that I think that we're just about to read a bunch more stories that basically talk about families being cursed in similar ways and it's like are there any answers at the end of these we'll see we'll find out or is this just a culmination of like wow that sucks maybe not all curses are forever

The curse of the nines

and maybe not all curses are bad I think like even when it comes to the Paranormal we've get we've gotten a lot of emails where they're like my whole family has the ability to do X Y and Z is it a blessing or is it a curse you know yeah it depends on how you view it how you spin it but I do think the one I'm about to read it's very numbers heavy um there's a lot of death okay oh I know exactly which one this was I almost picked this one the family curse of the nines hey y'all so I thought if I ever had the time to write in a story it would be about my haunted loft apartment or my husband sing demons when he sleepwalks but then I heard Lily story from encounters 8883 the one where

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patriarchal members of their family passed away at 49 59 69 Etc I completely froze when I heard their story because something very similar has happened in my family something that has freaked me out since I was a little kid there's a lot of family members mentioned here so I apologize if this is confusing I don't have a lot of details but I've been told that my paternal great-grandfather wasn't the best person I'm not sure what he did but the family does claim that this possible curse is the result of something that he did when he was alive GES he died in 1970 his daughter an my grandmother was 29 years old at the time my great-grandfather was the oldest member of their family the year after his death my aunt Beth was born in 1971 the next oldest member of the family was Anne's mother-in-law who was also Beth's grandmother she died in 1980 Anne was 39 years old Beth was N9 by 1990 Anne's mom was the oldest in the family and she passed when an was 40 9 years old Beth

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was 19 oh my aunt Beth has never had children and has one older brother my dad and so when I was born I was the next girl in the family line I was blissfully unaware of all of this until I was about 10 or 11 I think and I don't really know if it was something that my aunt or even my grandmother thought about as my grandmother approached 59 there was about a 4-day window when my grandmother was 59 and my aunt was 29 and I was nine looking back I wonder if everyone was panicked in those four days back in 2001 but I don't know if all ever know my grandfather was the oldest family member immediately connected to all three of us my grandmother turned 60 in April 4 days after I turned 9 my grandfather celebrated with her that may my grandfather was unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer the doctors felt like they had caught it early enough to do surgery and start treatment so they performed the surgery in June and I remember seeing him in the hospital and he was doing well he seemed like his usual self just ready to go home he was discharged a few days later and said home to recover and everything had gone

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well but then he passed unexpectedly a few nights after he got home the surgery had caused a blood clot that had made its way to his heart it happened 4 days before my aunt's 30th birthday while she was still 29 and I was nine it was devastating the following year was really hard my dad struggled with it for a long time our relationship with my grandmother and my aunt started to deteriorate after my grandfather had passed and it's all very complicated and I won't get into that now but I supposed that if this possible curse had followed the usual trajectory the next death would be when I was 19 the oldest member of my family was my maternal grandfather who was 83 and it seemed to happen three times in a row over the span of 30 years and there was always a nine in the age of the female family member which would mean that it was done with my grandmother and done with my aunt it was just me now the next girl in the family line so I guess I threw everyone off when my maternal grandfather died the following March it didn't follow the pattern I still was 9 years old but then

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came the realization my grandfather's died 9 months and 9 days apart my dad explained all of this to me a few years later and I'm not sure why he decided to tell me this because it really did upset me so much that I spent a few days crying and freaking out because you know curses are scary so needless to say I was pretty freaked out about turning 19 it could all be a weird coincidence but it still freaks me out when I think about it but hearing Lily's Story made me feel a little bit less alone in this mystery and I hope you're doing well Lily some other time I'll have to tell you all of my other stories because my husband's sleepwalking is seriously the creepiest thing I've ever seen but he's pretty cool when he's awake thank you for keeping this out of work indie film actress both highly entertained and a little bit spooked during quarantine wishing you all the best stay safe stay sane Fina this is so hard cuz it's like I know Reena said in the beginning what was it like the p etal great-grandfather was not the best person but it seems

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like this nines like the number nine connection is traversing not just the paternal side but also now on the matriarchal side yeah and and it doesn't mean that someone dies when they have a nine in their age it could mean someone close to them dies so it's like you never know if it's coming for you or someone close to you which is so frightening again this one is hard where it's like now that you've put it into if because it's so spoken about amongst this family like not that you can cause someone to die just by believing in a curse but like yeah what does having the like I always say this about tarot readings and like palm readings and future readings you know psychic readings and stuff like that where I was so anti- them growing up because I was so nervous that I would be told something and I would make it happen because that's what I believed was going to happen yeah but isn't that part of manifestation too as you you speak as if something has already happened or that

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it will NE it does yeah but then can't you have the opportunity to try to manifest the opposite I don't know I think I'm impressionable enough that if I went to a psychic I would go with a openness and willingness to believe that they have the abilities to accurately give me messages that I'd be like okay well that's going to happen I have no control I don't know I don't know it's hard it's difficult and I hope that this isn't a real curse and I hope you break the curse I hope you live to be 110 yes if that's what you want everyone around you no one dies at all in the years that you have nine so that you can feel like the curse Has Lifted it's broken you guys are safe all the other girls born within your family nieces children of your own if you choose to have any everybody will be okay here's a

Personal curse experience

okay let's um manipulate the curse who needs the number nine Reena your family number nine doesn't exist just get rid

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of it you go from 8 to 10 you're 28 again you're 38 again it's like the 13th floor on in hotels it just skip it it might be there but we're not acknowledging it and if you don't acknowledge it it doesn't exist so science brains okay I have like this one I kind of took a pivot but I thought it would be a fun one well it's also scary but fun to mix it up a little bit it is about a curse but this is from our listener wit and it's I think cursed someone once and this reminds me Karen of something you said recently on the podcast that I had no idea and you were like I think I've told you this before and I was like no you haven't but anyway it made you change and basically be like I'll never curse someone again oh oh me and my brother both saying yes yes yes yes yes yes okay so Whit says I think I cursed someone hello everyone I'm gonna just jump into this so about 5 years ago I was with my ex who I will call Sam Sam has a brother who we will call Frank and during this relationship with Sam I grew

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to loathe Frank due to the sheer amount of money and possessions he stole from both Sam and I to feed his own drug addiction oh that's tough he also took advantage of his family often and it was all around just a really terrible situation to be in anyway another family member of theirs helped Frank get a new car so that he could get to his job easier and was told that eventually he needed to pay this person back after that Frank decided to steal lots of my own possessions to pawn for drug money and I was extremely upset about it there was nothing I could really do without it upsetting my then boyfriend so I just held on to this anger I later came across something on the Internet and it was a how to curse someone I'm not going to describe what to do because of what happened next so there I was and I performed what was instructed I did all the steps and at one point you have to Envision what you want to happen the first thing that came to mind was that I hoped he wrecked his new car not enough to hurt anyone but enough to Total it can you guess what happened 2 weeks later he wrecked his car Frank total his

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car he was not hurt he didn't hit anyone else he collided directly into a rock on the side of the road when he was apparently reaching down to get his dip do clarify I am not a practicing witch and I really didn't think it would work I just needed to channel my anger and that was how I did it since that day I have sworn to never do it to another person and truly nothing else has happened to people I know see you on the other side wit wit oh my gosh see I do relate to this it's like one and done where you're like whether it's total coincidence or my thoughts and my energy directed towards that person and it was like the last thing that was needed to make this happen you never want to feel that sort of responsibility for something bad happening to someone because it could be a total coincidence but it does feel like you're like oh and I do think things like this happen not necessarily often but we we don't realize the power our energy has and when you're feeling such anger you never know how doing something like this might come out right I'm just glad no

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one was truly killed and seriously seriously injured in that okay this is

Hatman curse sightings

called the hatman curse oh no hey guys so first off I love the show and second off I know how crazy weird this sounds and how it sounds like it's just some 2009 creepy pasta by some 12-year-old but I promise that this is exactly what my friend told me and I just suck at writing I'm sure you don't so several months ago my lab partner in chemistry class told me the story about her own family curse and even worse how she's next in line we were casually talking about how weird our family was and she mentioned how a couple weeks ago she woke up to the sound of her 19-year-old brother screaming and sobbing she then told me how she rushed out of her room and into the hallway connecting all of the bedrooms to see her brother absolutely losing his running around yelling and crying and her parents soon grabbed him and pulled him into his room where they stayed and talked for nearly an hour my friend of course tried to overhear but she

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couldn't really overhear more than mumbles after this my friend said that her parents and her brother refused to talk about it despite how much she tried to make them it took another week or two as she was telling over dinner a weird dream that she had had the night before and in this dream she woke up and she walked out to the living room and then all of the sudden she was dragged into her parents room by this dark force while her parents simply watched her mother even telling her that there was no point in fighting back and then she woke up from a few seconds before she was completely dragged inside of the room when she shared this dream her dad and mom kind of looked at each other with that oh no look in their eyes and after her dad took her out of the room and told her everything everyone in their family has been visited by who they call the hatman this man who apparently is nothing but darkness and he wears a large brimmed hat and has dark glowing eyes he appears between the hours of 12: and 4:00 a.m. and he will speak to you although not normally what he says is total gibberish while you

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somehow understand what he's saying the hatman then slowly moves towards you and lowers his face down to yours before you wake up Apparently that is what happened to my friend's older brother that one particular night and has also happened to her dad and it's believe that the curse happened in her mom's family since her great-grandmother and grandmother also have seen the hatman for the last several Generations after my friend told me the story we started doing our own research into this hatman and apparently several other people have been visited by him as well and he appears to be another shadow person but somehow darker and more powerful I haven't yet reached your episode on Shadow People so I don't know whether or not you two know of him but at least here's another sighting I don't know if this family curse is real or if it was just my friend's dad trying to freak her out so she stopped asking questions but either way it's freaky as hell and her adult brother still cannot sleep without a light on sense weird story over you two are great best regards Bella okay so that's terrifying

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they like being dragged cuz I haven't heard that where the hatman drags people no although this is reminding me so much of I've referenced this so many times but my friend Nikita who had a dream that she was being dragged down her hallway in her childhood home I know I hate it and yeah thought it was a dream Woke up had rug Burns all down the front of her body so this is making me think like was it a dream I don't believe it was a dream for Bella was this was this truly all existing in the dream world to Bella's encounter with this dark demonic shadow figure of the hatman or was there some sort of like back and forth too because it's Bella was getting dragged and she felt like she was waking up in the dream too for a SPL second and then would be dragged again but then of course her parents weren't actually there being like taunting her and there's nothing you can do but like it was the whole family had been experiencing it and even the brother yeah too so right I mean we have heard that the Hat man is like a familiar and I know there are some people who listen to this podcast who really hate us using

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that name so I will no longer continue to use it but we've heard it is a familial like inherited haunting which is so confusing especially with such negativity but it's like when did it start and how did it pick this I know because there's no other shadow people that have that Association as being this sort of generational right passed down curse of a right of an entity that follows them it's just this guy freaky guy well okay I have uh another freaky email to end us on it's from our

Black magic and cleansing

listener Maya and it is called Black Magic hello Karin Saina and Leia I've started listening to your podcast and I listened to it at 1.2 speed in an attempt to catch up I've been very dedicated I started on episode one and I'm listening through I just finished a couple more episodes today at work including episode 44 which was dead man's Island you guys mentioned Vancouver Island which is where I'm from so I just feel even more like we are besties wo so I'd like to tell you two a story of black magic from my family I

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mentioned how my family is indigenous to this land in a previous email I had heard of black magic involved in some First Nation culture but I didn't know mine was included this first story was just recently told to me but happened in 2003 when I was a baby and this email was sent to us in May of 2023 when this episod comes out a year ago my dad had moved in with my mom because my family lived 2 hours away and now it was time for their own one morning my dad woke up after my mom but when he woke up he was paralyzed from the waist down he called out to my mom she was in the kitchen and she came to find him unable to move or get out of bed I guess while living with my grandma my dad had made some people upset enough to put a curse on my dad literally leaving him paralyzed my parents called my grandma who had some Elders Come Bless my dad and cleanse the house thankfully after this cleansing my dad was able to regain all movement back in his legs wow good that's so scary for such a long period of time and physically affect you like that yeah

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debilitate you like that also is it bad that I like want to know what he did to upset people or what they interpreted as a negative thing and what kind of curse they did yeah what to avoid when you are choosing to actively be mean to everyone well what can I say though okay this second story happened a year ago unfortunately at my uncle's funeral in my culture a funeral is a ceremony that takes place over 7 days it requires all individuals children and spouse to have their eyes covered in this time of mourning the rest of my family closely related was there to support and mourn together as one my uncle was a scandalous fisherman who once had an affair ending in pregnancy and my family did not invite my uncle's other daughter and said she was unwelcome to attend due to the stress it would have on my aunt and cousins during a time of Silence the other daughter walked in with her family and her eyes covered in mourning as her family practiced the same culture it made a lot of people up upset and quickly turned into an argument resulting in the other daughter and

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family literally being kicked out to the steps oh see that's so tough It's so tough this obviously upset them and unknown to most while they stood on the steps the other family huddled together and put a curse on our entire family that would turn everyone against each other uhoh well that's not the proper response to that situation no but I understand it like right it's basically you won't accept us as your family so we're going to tear apart your whole family yeah now you won't accept any of you as family I know it's messed up but like okay there's also a lot of emotion involved in it you know I just wish it yeah wish that it didn't happen I wish it didn't happen I wish they were just like wow that family is messed up thank God we have each other and could just like latch on to each other instead of being like all I want is to be a part of your family and I'm upset by you kicking me out of this funeral so I'm going to curse forever do appreciate though that that entire family unit was on the same page like they clearly like they're like yeah we're all doing this that's true

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strong bonds families that curse together stay together this is sad okay my mom took my brother and I to the funeral and we left that evening to drive 2 hours home without any knowledge of the curse that this other family put on us my dad ended up calling my mom 2 days later after he found out what had happened and told us immediately that we had to drive down Island to be part of a cleansing ceremony from the Shaker Church my mom and I made the trip but my brother refused it was a 4-Hour ceremony in a small room lit only with candles and one chair in the middle one by one each of our family members and I were cleansed by touch and song it may not sound like much but I don't know how to explain the energy in this room you could feel the song and soul from everyone in your bones it finally ended at 11:00 p.m. and we made it home at 1: my brother never went so who knows if it's fully gone anyway I'll see you on the other side Maya um see that's a very ominous way to end an email where it's like is it gone is it not will we be cursed if it had worked we Maya would probably

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have given us an indication of a tear in their family which doesn't sound like it's happened yet I'm just glad that they were able to like I wonder who from that family let them know that there was a curse put on them you know that's what I was just thinking or like was it one of those things where something happened so they went and saw like a special practitioner who can identify curses that was like oh you have a curse on you and this is right this is what I'm picking up on like how did they find out about the curse cuz it didn't last very long no what did they say like basically like a week or so before something like that like they were very diligent in all right we heard about it we're going to take action it now yeah and also it does help I think knowing that there was intentionally a curse to pull you apart is so helpful to know that because whether it was going to work or not every time there's some sort of argument every time there's an opportunity for people to have a rift you can be like this is not us this is the curse like let's work our way through through this because we cannot let the curse win I feel like there is some power in

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convincing yourself that you have to fight against the curse instead of fight against each other right I do love that like the whole family I mean aside from Maya's brother did come together to like do this whole ritual yeah so it's not ripping the family apart in fact it's bringing them together again it is that's true even more it's is true well man if you're cursed or if you've cursed anyone let us know please do I feel like we used to say don't curse anyone and I I do very much believe like I'm not saying curse whoever you want but after talking to Foo and reading F's book The which belongs to the world I did have a switch in understanding of curses because they're not all bad and some curses I think are I think curse might be like the wrong word for it but it's like it's almost like justice and Karma yeah Justice Karma giving someone else a learning opportunity so long as there's no real harm in what's happening I still think about oh maybe this is an email I can read in our revisiting encounters

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but there was one email from a listener about a curse where like the uncle was cursed by the ex-girlfriend and she started losing hair and there was like a whole practice that he had to do to try to break it do you remember this not really okay I'll find it and read it again on the upcoming because it was I like it stuck with me is it in Mexico or maybe one of the like Central American cultures there's like some practice I'm going to butcher it where we've had listeners tell us about it where like you crack an egg and depending on what the egg looks like you'll know if you've been cursed or not yeah I think it shoot we had an email about it I can't remember what you see in the egg I think it's like muddiness like the like the color of the yolk or something yeah it's cloudy stringy yeah if it's cloudy there's something yeah we have to revisit this if we ever feel like we're cursed we got to we got to revisit have someone help us with the egg we should do like a whole episode on like different curses and different like practices of breaking curses we need an instruction manual I feel it requires a

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lot of help from our listeners because there are so many different practices if you have an understanding of curses and how to break curses will you email them to us and we'll include them in this episode that we will do eventually that's a great idea how to reverse the curse let us and we'll share the information with everybody else yes but if you have any hauntings curses visits from loved ones pets just spookiness around your life or around the people around you's lives words then please email us at two girl1 go podcast gmail.com you can rate and review our podcast wherever you listen it really does help move us up in the charts which helps more people find us but you can also help people find us by talking about the podcast Pyramids Game bab abduct I keep saying abduct because I am fully visualizing us in a spaceship coming but induct people into our spooky triangle like the idea of abducting people to listen so we are trying to tie people up and force them to listen to

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