The San Pedro Poltergeist | Deadly Attacks, Ouija Revelations & Mysterious Murder Pt. Two (Ep 307)

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how can it get worse than almost dying in the Attic uh you'll find out okay because the hauntings are ongoing things were escalating and clearly The Entity is not going to stop as Jackie is thinking about how it's not going to stop her daughter's comforter spontaneously combusted into flames what there's the sing marks and it's also in a pattern of three the Cinch marks looks like devil horns don't they oh oh God it does it is a miracle that they are alive [ __ ] very spooky hi hey it's is two girls one GH

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seeing people reenact the plot on like Tik Tok and it looks when I look at the trailer I'm like I need to watch this but then when I look at people's reenactments I'm like does anything actually ever happen in this a lot happens in it I don't know if you'll like it it's one of those movies where I'm like Karin will either really like this or really hate it if it's too art okay so you won't like it it's very artsy but it's the original no Fatu is a talki so it's a silent film and or no sorry not a talki a silent film so opposite of a in my mind I was just like wait a second you knew what I was saying but opposite of a talki so it was a silent film so it's all um subtitled and it's based on or inspired by Dracula by Bram Stoker and so it's vampire horror but it's filmed so beautifully there were so many shots that I was like I want to recreate this and I want to have a photo shoot the final image of the movie is one of the most beautiful images oh I've ever seen I want to see

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this just the final image I'm not sure I want to see the whole movie it is long it is long but it's Lily Rose Depp and the guy from the great as I was watching it I realized I've become desensitized

Content Warning and Recap of the San Pedro Poltergeist

to some scary things because I would argue it is a scary movie not once was I scared is it because it was too artsy no because there were moments that I was like this should be a jumpy scary moment and I was not scared how interesting but I'm also very incapable of feeling emotions right now a little too numb perfect time to watch scary movies so bamal send me your reck did you know Snoop Dogg um good pivot has a song an Affirmation song that's like made for kids well I love Snoop Dogg he is perfect I've been sleeping on Snoop Dog Snoop Dogg is the best person in the world Snoop Dog for president just two white girls loving Snoop Dog yeah love love them but the

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content of this episode is not so lovely and not really kid-friendly no definitely not no kids allowed hey unless you're a spooky kid which if your parents allow you to listen who am I to judge this is part two of our two-parter on the San Pedro Poltergeist again I'm going to start the episode with a Content warning and then we'll kind of do a recap of what happened in part one we do recommend that you go back and listen to episode 306 which is part one of of this story so you don't miss a lot of Juicy Juicy terrifying stuff that happened setting up part two okay our content warning same one I said last episode this episode contains haunting subject matter and potentially triggering content it is the story of a vengeful entity who physically attacked attempted to kill and was relentless in its efforts to haunt not just one person but many we left off in part one after introducing the setting which was San Pedro and we set up Jackie Hernandez and

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the events that led to her calling in parapsychologists to assist in determining and hopefully but unsuccessfully getting rid of this

The Haunting Begins: Jeff's Near-Death Experience

Paranormal Activity what instead ensued was a horrific series of events that led to the attempted murder of Jeff weaton in the San Pedro Holmes attic on September 4th of 1989 fortunately Jeff did survive but this was not the last attempt to take his or others involved in this case's lives The Entity that was haunting Jackie Hernandez was just getting started so today my friends in the final part of this two-part episode we will resume with the haunting night of September 4th 1989 and hear years more of Paranormal Activity but perhaps we'll find answers to who or what was responsible for these hauntings and we might even find out why what can I make a prediction sure is there one single man who was once human who's kind of morphed into this

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bouldergeist and it's his human blood that's been oozing we don't get an answer on the human blood but I think we can presume or make an assumption but you're not far off okay again shout out to the documentary called an unknown encounter the true account of San Pedro haunting directed by Barry Conrad released in 1997 which again if you want to see actual footage and interviews and photos and documentation I highly recommend going to see it going to see it go go to your couch and turn on Amazon Prime time where you can watch it all right so it is early in the we hours of September 4th 1989 Jeff is finally removed and saved from what he was sure would have been his death and he and Barry leave the attic he tries to collect himself and piece together what the hell just happened but you can hardly put it together because the hauntings are ongoing they are continuing it is so active oh my God this is one of those stories it's so wild I don't know if you've experienced it but when you research like a certain story and you almost feel like you don't have to refer to your notes cuz it's so like you just

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know every detail yeah this is one of those I felt like that with the SML possession although I referenced my notes a lot cuz I was like I don't want to get anything wrong here but yeah it was like it was just so wild that I was like oh my God yeah that and Jeff the Mongoose I could recite Jeff to you right now still Jeff has always stuck with us so you might ask why did they not after Jeff was attempted to be hanged in the Attic why not the [ __ ] the human yeah the human in the story why they didn't pack their things and leave mhm but I think it was just like so much was happening all at once it was hard to process in the moment Barry Conrad is filming when you okay yeah I just heard a couple clicks so I was just looking at what could have been moving and clicking if you do see our plant moving it's because we have a little space heater blowing air yeah it's the plant waving hello hello so Barry Conrad is filming when the others witness a ball of Light

The Entity's Relentless Pursuit

Pop and move towards Barry almost as if flying into him and as this light flies

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towards Barry and goes into him Barry is struck with a surge of energy and he passes out so like they were watching his eyes Fade Out almost as if all of the light source went out of him holy [ __ ] so this is now two physical attacks in one night in matter of hours wait this was Barry that it happened to mhm so now we have two men down out of the like four yeah I mean they're they're all still in the house but two attacks yeah Jeff was usually the logic police but he was like this is unlike anything I'd ever experienced and he couldn't reason with the things that were happening and that he was experiencing and he was plagued by such bad headaches after what had happened to him in the Attic that he had to go sit outside like he removed himself from the house sat outside to get some fresh air good Jackie grabs her newborn child her daughter Samantha and her two-year-old son maybe three at this time your old son Jamie and with her friend Susan who was at the house with them this night they all go outside and join Jeff

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outside MH while they're outside I think Susan had to like run inside to grab something from the kitchen and when she came back out she saw on baby Samantha's forehead this massive red mark and in the documentary you can see film of it but Jackie is so terrified that she thinks that her daughter would like hit or something that this is a physical wound so she goes up to her daughter and like basically like wipes it away and it fortunately was not a wound it was like a liquid of some kind was it the blood was it the human plasma liquid holy [ __ ] it was red yeah unfortunately they did not bottle that up to test but Jackie is like relieved but now also like the small the tiniest amount of respect for this Poltergeist to actually not truly inflict harm on the kids but it's inching towards yes it's hinting at it will it will so by 3:00 a.m. Jackie and the team left the house and Jackie was like I'm moving and and in part one we

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talked about how she was kind of broke and had spent all of her money restarting her life she hadn't moved in that long ago and so she was like I don't have the money to move but she knew she couldn't stay there so she packed up her things and moved and in the Los Angeles Times article I read she apparently tried to rekindle things with her ex-husband but that was not mentioned at all in the documentary so I don't necessarily know I don't know the details of that but Jeff Barry and the team thought this would be the end of the hauntings that like whatever it was was going to stay in the house and with Jackie moving it would be the end right yeah you would think this entity knew where everyone lived and it had its Mind Set On hurting and haunting with no end in sight oh my gosh this is like in the

Light Phenomena and Paranormal Evidence

smrs when they followed on the on the camping trip I know in part one you mentioned how this entity did follow one of Jackie's friends one time yeah and so I would understand if for like a week or two they got activity but I would have assumed it would kind of like snap back to its own Bungalow and that it was just

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temporarily following until realizing that they weren't returning keep in mind like this was the first year of Jackie living in this house and the hauntings happened for three and a half years and she never lived in that house again so it truly followed and continued to torment oh my God so many people now I understand when you said that her son was greatly affected by this because I mean by the time it ended he was probably like seven years old seven or five or six six yeah on multiple occasions this entity or the energy of this entity would follow Jeff and Barry and other of the like other people of the team barries Larry's Garry's but mostly Jeff and Barry and this is what I said in part one a lot of the encounters were focused on Jeff and Barry Conrad they would come home and I think a lot of the time throughout this period Jeff would stay at Barry Conrad's apartment in Los Angeles they would come home to find the burners on the gas stove on by themselves that's scary it gets

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worse sometimes they would be in the other room and hear the burners turning on which luckily they would hear it and be able to turn it off I'd be terrified that one of the burners wouldn't be perfectly turned on the gas would go and then something would turn the actual burner on and then boom just wait it is a miracle that they are alive [ __ ] some of the other investigators had similar experiences but it usually only happened for them like immediately after leaving Jackie or after reviewing footage speaking of reviewing the footage this is where discussion of the photos and orbs of light come in because they basically think that all the hauntings are going to end Jackie moves but they're still reviewing all this footage because they're like what is this what did we encounter what is happening and when they review the footage both photo and video they find countless moments where there are orbs of light flying both inside and outside of Jackie's home and it almost always was happening like when another paranormal event was happening so like if someone was like I hear knocking over there on the video

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there would be a ball of light moving across the screen interesting and in studying the photos they had like different professionals and experts on photos and light type of stuff on the documentary but they described it as comets of light they believed it was a visual representation of the entity and spirit and they seem to be self-illuminating which only like a couple of bugs are self-illuminating like bugs mhm and they would move very differently from how insects move so like insects are so they had fairy vibe to it because they would Dart in a straight line and then move again in another straight line in another Direction kind of in the same way that people describe seeing aliens or UFOs in the sky moving what is happening there are a lot of images here's one this is from the documentary where it circled you can see the orb of light do you see

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it Circle oh yeah it's so tiny it's like a little speck so they called them peep pods because a lot of the images if you got really close up to it it looked like a little pea pod with the individual peas inside of it and if you remember in part one Jackie and the team would describe seeing these lights start as one morph into three and then rejoin and move around the space interesting yeah there was also footage video footage of an orb flying into Jackie's head and they showed Jackie this I think after she had moved out of the house but she was so horrified by it because she was like is it in me yeah because that would be a terrifying thing to see well also you said Barry wasn't he like passed out or something because the orb like flew into him which is also making me think of aliens again and the idea that alien abductions are actual abductions of the astral body right so I'm like did was bu abducted and just didn't realize and like are these is

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this an alien story we don't are aliens and ghosts related somehow I don't know there's one video footage that they show in the documentary where they were doing an examination of the house this is midday like this broad daylight that's another thing that was really common this wasn't happening at night time where it just flashes of Lights yes it was happening at night but it was also happening broad daylight where flashes of light like this should not exist also like there's no source of the light regardless of day or night like what what's causing it how they were outside of the house and this little wood gate this is back in the S Pedro house the gate on its own moves open and when they're reviewing the footage they see this little orb of light move when the gate is opening the gate closes they see an orb of light again move almost at the exact same time the gate opens again orb of light and it's moving in different places on the screen in the video it's not like it's in one spot yeah they are like it's not a bug how bizarre right

Jackie's New Life and the Return of the Haunting

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and it's also there's no wind or anything causing the gate to move like they very much believe it was the entity kind of manipulating things in the house there were anywhere between 24 to 36 occasions of light phenomena in the 6 hours of videotape that Barry and the team had filmed inside and outside of Jackie Hernandez's home that is a [ __ ] ton yeah that is sometimes what people paranormal investigators hope to hope to capture in their entire lifetime so it's now October of 1989 exhausted Jackie moved her and her children 300 M North of San Pedro to Welden California where aside from horrible PTSD and the inability to sleep and having nightmares of potentially having these hauntings reoccur Jackie did find a semblance of Peace okay well this is good for a period of time yeah that's right because you said it's 3 and a half years long yeah so she kept fearing that the hauntings would return and it was quiet and in the LA Times article Jackie is

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quoted saying within a couple of weeks or so I felt really comfortable being there I thought I had left the ghost back in the house I thought everything was going to be okay until March of 1990 it was late at night when Jackie heard some scratching in a storage shed just outside of their trailer she tried to write it off it's probably just like a wild animal yeah but then shortly after that scratching she started to see Pops of light in her trailer things escalated from there again this is like she's not alone when she's having these experiences someone is with her witnessing it a friend is over at Jackie's trailer when down the hallway the friend spots an eerie black shape floating towards them Jackie knew in that moment it was back she knew what it was she knew what was going to happen that feels like a play from the Poltergeist to give a a sense of calm and like oh my gosh I'm finally past it I have some peace and then to just wait

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for her to feel that and then boom here I am again I also feel like the entity was looking for her oh like it took that period of time to locate her and then it had to rebuild its energy I hate that it feels like it follows scariest movie I've ever seen in my whole life actually I I feel like you won't like it uh no Fatu because it's nothing it's not going to be one of those movies where you reference a lot okay yeah I probably won't watch it but I really liked it I personally really liked it you like artsier stuff yeah I'm artsy fartsy I also like the history of it I'm like just just give me the horrors yeah give it to me straight so from that moment on the activity picked up almost as strong as it had been when she left San Pedro as if nothing had changed and now she's living in a community with trailers multiple of them all of her Neighbors start to experience hauntings to the point where there's a couple that lives nearby that starts to hear banging in their Nursery people are seeing this old man face very similar to the old man

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that Jackie described seeing on her child children's bunk beds in part one that is so scary multiple times people would hear those three snaps this reminds me of the SM position again because the neighbors are experiencing things Y and how awful to be like this community that accepts Jackie and her kids in and then suddenly it's like brought us hauntings yeah things were escalating and clearly The Entity was not going to stop as Jackie is thinking about how it's not going to stop her daughter's comforter spontaneously combusted into flames what in the middle of the night wait was her daughter in the bed no I think she was okay everyone was okay but like oh my God there's the sing marks what and it's also in a pattern of three the Cinch Parks looks like devil horns don't they oh oh God it does I don't know what the third one is maybe the mouth that's terrifying yeah well what do you see Jackie was traumatized again she feels like she's losing her mind and feels

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like there's no reprieve there's no way of escaping there's no safety for her and her children yeah she's terrified and she felt so alone and didn't know what to do like all she wanted to do was keep her kids safe and anyone who walked into Jackie's house experienced something and now it is Friday the 13th of course Friday the 13th of April 1990 so April 13th 1990 things begin to escalate again her two neighbors whose names are Jim and Janice are in like their storage shed grabbing a TV that keep in mind this TV is unplugged it's been sitting outside and they're like let's move it inside as they start moving it Janice freaks out because she sees what is a man's face learing at her from the top corner of the screen of this TV it is unplugged it is not on she's like what the hell is this yeah she freaks out so then Jim is like what's going on he lowers the TV down and he too sees the space in the TV what the hell I like is it a reflection like

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is it behind me is it in the TV no I don't know where it is oh my God that's so scary they both see it and Janice knew like she was in her gut she was like this is something evil it felt like an evil man looking into her soul and so that evening Jackie calls our good friends Barry Larry Barry Jeff so Jeff and Barry Conrad decide to pack up the car and drive to Jackie's new home in Welden California those are are some brave souls Jeff and Barry decide to drive up and see what is going on in Jackie's new home in Welden California and you kind of said like why why are they going yeah and Jeff recalls in the documentary like so many people are like are you delusional why did you keep you almost died last time right why do you keep going keep inviting and participating in these hauntings but the truth is that the hauntings hadn't stopped following him and he really wanted to make okay have some

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understanding of why this was why was it targeting him so badly that makes more sense well on the night of April 13th

The Ouija Board Session: Seeking Answers

Friday the 13th 1990 he got some answers did it make him feel a little less scared no it actually made things worse how can it get worse than almost dying in the Attic uh you'll find out okay yeah so call it delusional or Brave he decides to go drive up to Weldon California with Barry and they speak to neighbors and they basically get all of their stories people are seeing flashes of light the face of the old man knocking polter activity it's just incessant they again caught the same light phenomena on camera the little the peep pods the PE pods SL comets of light the comments peep pods and comets and the group does the unthinkable the unforgivable they played a Ouija board yes what the [ __ ] they didn't have any other way of communicating listen I will

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say despite the terror that is about to ensue that you were about to hear about that happened while using the Ouija board they did get some answers that I don't think they would have gotten otherwise okay I mean I guess you got to do what you got to do it's already so bad how can this really make it that much worse right and also Jackie was the one who was like we should do this so what I appreciate about this is there was a part of me that when I was doing this research where I was like did Jeff and barries and Larry and all those Aries did they kind of stir up and make the energy worse because once I did get involved it did seem to pick up and become more violent well there's more people to feed off of or was it always going to be that bad yeah so I was nervous when I heard about the Ouija board thing I was like please tell me they didn't make Jackie do this but Jackie actually was the one who suggested the idea dang Jackie mhm similar to Jeff she was so desperate for answers yeah makes sense this has now followed her 300 miles it's been over year of this haunting so over the course

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of a couple of hours this group of four so it was Jeff Jackie Barry and then one of Jackie's neighbors SL friends this forsome witnessed so much Paranormal Activity it began with the table shaking and the candles flickering on off the Ouija board was moving so fast the planet was moving so fast that they truly couldn't put together the answers in the moment they had to just take notes of the letters that were coming together and then after the fact they were able to put together all of the information but this entity was communicating in full words and full sentences with special attention to grammar and spelling interesting I literally wrote which they thought was interesting and it also reminded me I saw this um actually there's a picture if you want to see it on YouTube I Follow The Language nerds which is one of my favorite Instagram accounts the last words of Marquee defra after he read his death sentence before being hanged in 1790 his last words were I see

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that you have made three spelling mistakes which wow that's like the best fu yeah well you'll know it's me coming through the Ouija board if I die first because there will be no attention to grammar yeah it will just be chaotic yeah get as much through as possible word vomit yeah they felt such intense and dark energy and the following messages and answers and questions were kind of deciphered and put together after the fact but I'll just relay it to you now they asked the entity how long it had been trapped in the spirit world the answer was 60 years question did you die in the San Pedro house the planette moved to no where did you die San Pedro Bay did you drown no I was held underwater did you live in the San Pedro house my murderer lived there how many spirits exist amongst the living Phantoms fill the skies around you oh my God the table is now shaking so

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violently Barry asks is there anyone in this room you have hate for the planet moves to j e Jeff F F Jeff frustrated it's like why why me why are you focusing so much energy on me what did I do the spirit answered you are the likeness of my killer oh my God but this is such a good clue because right look for who looks like Jeff who lived in this house that is the murderer right so at that moment as the Ouija board spells out you are the likeness of my killer everyone watches in shock as Jeff who's sitting in a chair with his hand on the planet is literally with the chair levitated up off the ground and thrown against the wall I'm sure it's so confusing as a spirit too to like like how do you recognize that this isn't your killer right there he knows it's not it says you were the likeness of my killer I know but maybe aware like it's a back and forth thing I think like revenge and

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vengefulness and anger has consumed the spirit that it's almost Humanity yeah Jackie's FR Tina screams she runs out of

Confronting the Spirit: Revelations and Discoveries

the trailer she's like I am not going to be next she's convinced that Jeff just died Jackie runs gra her kids and apparently her the her kids were in the back of the trailer and she was so scared to go through the hallway she felt like something was there but obviously her kids are back there so she goes and she grabs them and she leaves and Barry ran to Jeff who fortunately was alive but yet again this Spirit now this is like third time at least that the spirit has tried to harm him physically in such an intense violent way yeah they all left the trailer unharmed is but truly we're all horrified and traumatized by the experience and after everyone left Jackie's trailer was so cold she had to ignite a fire Days Later Barry and Jeff who were relieved to have survived finally settled their nerves and r their conversations with the spirit putting

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together all of this information The Entity had told them that he had been born in 1912 and died in 1930 and had been in the spirit realm for 60 years which that times out because 1990 is 60 years after 1930 he had been murdered held underwater in the San Pedro Bay in 1930 so Barry is like is this enough information for us to find who this spirit is right and also I think gentle parenting might have worked cuz this is clearly someone who is so hurt and hasn't processed their emotions and like doesn't know how to but how much of humanity is left in this spirit I don't know it's 60 years of anger and is even fully the spirit or is this like a bell witch thing where it's like a piece of the Soul that's chipped off and manifested into this right vengeful creature either way Barry visits the news pilot which is a local paper in St Pedro and he freaking flipping fun lines an article dated 1930 the body of a man

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named Herman Hendrickson was discovered floating near the 22nd Street Landing when his body was discovered authorities thought there was Foul Play an autopsy determined that there was a fracture to the skull but without further Evidence the man's death was deemed accidental as if and they presumed that he had fallen into the ocean hit his head and died so the major discrepancy from this article and the story the spirit told them was that he was murdered according to the spirit and held underwater but was it possible that someone pushed him off of a pier or a boat he hit his head so he was murdered in the sense that he was pushed and held underwater because of his head injury or like you know there's rocks and and kind of Jetties and stuff like he could have been someone could have there could have been a struggle they could have slammed his head on the Rock and held him right underneath the water right there right either way he hit his head and drowned was Herman Hendrickson the spirit haunting

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tormenting Jackie Jeff in this team so Barry does more research into Herman and who he was before he died Herman Hendrickson was a seaman who worked on a ship called the Ator which was a lumber steamer remember the knot that was tied on the rope that was around Jeff's neck it was a bow line knot which is a common knot that every Seaman would know it's funny CU I was going to make a joke like oh is he a Boer but then I was I was like G classic like knots boats the tie damn literally tying it all together so it's him so that's what they think they think it's him well who else would it be there's no real way to verify though who it was and also there's no evidence of who did this right it's like you can presume back and look at the identities of everyone who had lived in that house from the time that he had been murdered you have the time stamp of like right well you don't necessarily know that the person who lived there at the time of that guy's death was the person who who

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like some at some point yeah he lived there he lived there but it also Spirit could have followed him sure house to house until he died sure I'm sarting to respect him cuz he kind of if if this is true he's pulling the that like Seven Psychopaths thing that I was saying I would do as a spirit if someone like harmed me you also said you do this in like life you would go knock on everyone's door semantics but like he he is trying to make the person who killed him their life a living hell right which I understand but then once he dies stop stop haunting innocent people maybe he didn't die though maybe he's still alive and he just moved and is no longer a vampire well no because if it was 60 years what if he the guy was like 20 years old that killed him now the guy's 80 I guess but then why didn't he follow him why' he put so much energy into targeting ja the same reason it took so long for him to find Jackie took a couple of months anyway he's incorrectly

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targeting people who are innocent that's true his energy yeah it didn't dissipate he just redirected it right it is cool like it really makes me forgive everything about the Ouija board session because they would not have known all of this information no otherwise this is use it again now I need more so all this information is adding up but there's no real way to verify it except for now I want to know the address of Jackie Sedro home so that we can go through all of the records and try to piece together the timeline and who this man was CU then we have a picture of Jeff Jeff weaton who is supposed to resemble the likeness of his killer could we figure out who it is but Jackie is frustrated because they have all this information but the hauntings are not stopping and clearly moving to Walden California didn't actually make a difference and truthfully Jackie did want to be back in San Pedro so she's like at this point she's like it doesn't matter where I live I'm just going to move back to San Pedro with my kids yeah they move into a brand new apartment and she has a priest Come Bless it upon

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moving in but she's like I know it doesn't matter I can feel the energy around me yeah he it whatever it was was with her she continued to see balls of light in the home she caught them on camera hovering above the floor in her bedroom and the kitchen everywhere the light was the same as before one bright light that would split and come back together over and over it was a bright light that illuminated the carpet in photos which so it's like it has a reflection almost it reflects off of things which now this is reminding me of the Crone in Greg and Dana's possession because remember when they were they first noticed on surveillance footage that there was like a reflection right of the orb or whatever and the Crone had moved so they like captured the spirit attached to it saw the moment yeah yeah I don't know but remember how you asked how things could get worse than being nearly killed in the Attic yes here it begins so the hauntings with Jackie kind of continue but it does seem like the spirit is targeting Jeff because after

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this night of April 13th of using the weij board Barry and Jeff are constantly targeted there's one evening in 1990 that Barry and Jeff were staying at a hotel I'm not sure what for if it was because of this investigation or what yeah but they left their hotel room for dinner and when they came back they found underneath their pillows were scissors How threatening and they're open oh my God God there's more why is this guyy so mad at them they're trying to help they're trying to figure things out and also are these scissors that Barry and Jeff had or is this ghost making them materialize out of thin air the next night they're back at Barry's place again where Jeff would spend a lot of nights there just because they work together a lot and they were good friends and they start to hear things and this was common at the house they would have this is where the gas stoves would turn on and everything they walk into the kitchen and find one of those pairs of scissors from the night prior on the floor below the kitchen sink so they start to take out the cameras and

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they start to film because they're like now it's here yeah they are filming and they see lights being turned on and off in another room so they leave the kitchen to go investigate the lights and there's a moment in the documentary they return to the kitchen and you hear a loud metallic bang and they pan towards the stove which is the same stove that the gas burners are turning on all by themselves and another pair of scissors different from the one that was below the kitchen sink fell out of nowhere landing on top of the stove are they all matching they're all these like silver shears yeah so weird The Entity was making it clear that no matter where they were they were not safe one night this is like another thing that makes me kind of the conspiracy theorist in me

Escalating Paranormal Activity

where it's like when people say that we're in a simulation how are these scissors just right being created I saw a Tik Tok the other day where it was like someone was driving in two different occasions on the same day in different areas of the Town mhm they saw

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someone walking backwards on a sidewalk and there were two different people like in different areas of the town and it was like is this proof we in a simulation what is happening see I saw someone comment online one time and I've never agreed with anything more I said if you believe every conspiracy something is seriously wrong with you if you don't believe in any conspiracy something is seriously wrong with yeah I agree with that kind of like with the Paranormal if you don't believe in the Paranormal something is wrong with you exact something is seriously wrong with is wrong with you one night a brims was found shoved into the stove into the burner fortunately they got home prior to the burner being lit and something worse happening but literally they have a photo of the broom sticking out of the gas stove burner oh wow another night they came home in a window had shattered seemingly out of nowhere so they are cleaning up the glass and they make note of one particular piece that looked so dangerous it looked like a dagger like it was a massive piece jeez and put it along with all the other glass into a trash bag and then took the trash bags

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out to the dumpster and they came back inside sitting up right in Barry's typewriter was a piece of glass that looked exactly like the dagger piece that they had stopped to talk about and they're like what are the chances that there were two pieces exactly the same and that we didn't see this one in the typewriter before this is so bizarre I so confused by this whole story and there is part of me that's like okay did Barry and and this is like the skeptical version of me and I don't want to say I believe this but just throw it out there I'll posit it as a theory a lot of these encounters that occurred like the Broom the scissors and stuff that happened at Jeff and Barry's like when Jackie wasn't around I'm like did they fake this like are they trying to make it more intense than it already was yeah because so much is happening to

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Jeff and Barry yes a lot of hauntings are happening to Jackie as well but could Jeff and Barry be feeding off of this and making it an entertainment piece maybe but also just the voicemails and stuff that Jackie like what she was saying she was seeing and feeling I don't think Jackie made up anything neighbors and whatnot it does make me think like there's always a chance that people are making stuff up and exaggerating with anything in life but given how much Jackie or experienced and neighbors experienced I would imagine that this Spirit would probably be really upset with people coming in and trying to Sure metal and also Jackie was physically pushed and she witnessed like Jeff being levitated and thrown against the wall so it's not a hard jump to be like if that's all happening in front of Jackie and other Witnesses then all this stuff could be happening to Barry and Jeff where there aren't as many witnesses yeah either way more stuff starts happening on August 29th of 1990 the activity at Barry Conrad's Los

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Angeles apartment escalated yet again Jeff was physically shoved onto the bed in the apartment while he was walking into a room so he entered the doorway and then literally was pushed luckily the bed was there he fell onto the bed when they looked at Jeff's back there was a big red mark in the spot where he felt he was pushed again Jeff was the target of the entity's attacks now months later December 4th 1990 Barry spent the evening with Jeff and and Gary filming a Christmas event which is one of the ways they made their actual money and they went to Barry's apartment after only to experien some of the most horrific activity 30 to 40 paranormal events all occurred that night December 4th 1990 again the burners in the kitchen on the gas stove were turning on and off a knife was thrown in the kitchen something even Drew on the camera lens and when they looked closely it looked like two different colors of ink so two different pens as if it was trying to block them from filming wow

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objects were thrown at 3:59 a.m. Barry Conrad basically put a envelope and a pen on this was a poor decision on his part at 3:59 a.m. Barry Conrad invited The Entity to write a message on an envelope and here's the mistake that I don't know how he didn't put this together but he puts a blank envelope and a pen on the stove so it's four burners and so like you know like the middle part is like yeah like whatever the material is metal plasticky thingy so he puts it there five minutes later they go back in the kitchen that envelope is burning and all four burners are on why would you put anything on the stove I feel like that's where I'm like you're kind of asking for it this is a part that is absolutely like [ __ ] your pants terrifying oh my God so they go in there and they had gone in there basically like let's just just check the envelope is burning all four burners are on they

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turn off all four burners they get rid of the fire ablazed envelope they leave the room as they are leaving the room they hear something fall they turn around thank God they had turned all those burners off what falls on top of the gas stove seemingly out of freaking nowhere is a box of rifle shells what which one I'm like if that was kept in the that's so dumb or but two if it appeared out of nowhere how horrifying falling on top shells or was there any like ammunition I think they were I think there was ammunition in it but they were not in any weapons I don't know what happens to gunpowder if it's just like I think it explodes just like these little pockets just like like metal sharnel yeah oh jeez thank goodness moments before they had turned off the stove anyway everyone this all is in one night everyone witnessed a light fly toward Jeff almost flying into him and as it like goes into him the

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light disappears and Jeff was violently thrown into the corner oh my again the light going into him into someone and physical change Happening by Sunrise everything fell quiet Barry tried to review this footage in his editing Bay when the system began malfunctioning like lights on the machine were flashing in such inconsistent patterns that they were like the only reason this would be happening is if something or someone was actually pressing the buttons so they are no closer to getting real answers when all of a sudden for no apparent reason the haunting sto similar to the SML possession they just randomly one day stop after years and years of Torment they stop I'd be so curious again if they go back and they figure out who looks like Jeff who lived in the house and then look at the date that the hauntings stopped and then look at the date that that person died that matches up if they were just

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waiting for this person to be on their plane should we call Barry Conrad bar bar we have some so ideas I'm curious when they were using the WIA board if they ever asked like what do you want yeah that's not recorded anywhere but I feel like that's a that's probably maybe the first question I I would ask yeah or is there anything I can do for you you know right yeah they're responding in full sentences so it's clearly like yeah you want thing so granted it was Friday the 13th April 13th 1990 that they used the Ouija board so presumably right around then is when Barry put together and found this article of Herman Hendrickson and The Haunting stop somewhere before winter of 1991 like January of 91 so it's like they end December is 1990 yeah so like there's part of me that was like oh did putting together just identifying the spirit help put them at ease cuz it's like at least someone knows my story but it continued for months after that so I

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don't know so weird when it just stops like why what happened I think you're on to something with the potential potential death date yeah of the of the person or did like a relative a loved one pass away and move on yeah yeah some something had to have happened in the astral plane or someone's passing that

The Protective Spirit of John Damon

would make this stop because otherwise it doesn't make sense and we know that this was a human that Liv my other theory is like perhaps someone new moved into that house and the entity got a new Target oh [ __ ] but then I don't know like wouldn't we hear about I feel like this group would have done their due diligence and then kind of checked back at the house to see but not if it's someone who's not open to talking about it either way Jackie thinks the entity is still around her occasionally she does have some activity that still happens but she said it mostly when it comes to this Spirit and the negative energy she feels it's just a knowing like knowing that he's still around and lurking which could be a

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posttraumatic stress disorder experience where like the fear of it continuing or happening again is just lurking but Jackie does believe that there were multiple Spirits haunting her in the St Pedro home and I do want to end this story with a little bit more of a positive account so remember the old man that was sitting in the bed in part one yes cross-legged with his red flannel shirt tucked into his his high waisted and the of Po aective Spirit saying in here she believes it was a spirit of and she did some research to figure this out but the man that built the home The Bungalow in San Pedro his name was John Damon and she believed that this might be the good spirit because she had this really beautiful encounter so she's in San Pedro and she all of a sudden sees this bright light and this is spring of 19 90 and she sees this bright light that was visible in

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daylight and it started moving so she felt like she had to follow it and she followed it apparently to a nearby graveyard where it hovered around a grave and according to Jackie the grave had the name John Damon engraved on it according to Jackie and this is a quote from the Los Angeles Times article written in 1993 the ball of light went around and around the grave and then just disappeared and she went on record saying that she believed it was the spirit of John Damon wow saying goodbye I love that he realized something was wrong in the house and that he was staying there to try to try his best to try to do anything and protect I know who's there right a so that's one positive story to end us on but in this article Jackie went on to say that her daughter was really too young to remember anything which she was grateful for but her son was impacted greatly and even once was thrown against the wall all by an unseen force and was plagued by nightmares for some time but

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[ __ ] as he grew up he seemed to have outgrown them oh but that is the befuddling mysterious SL terrifying case of the San Pedro Poltergeist and Jackie Hernandez's story and I truly have no idea I it's so weird because we're like so close to getting answers but then don't have any in the end right and part of me is like okay this entity was clearly in the home like he admitted to being in that house because that's where the killer lived did anyone who lived there before Jackie experience anything or was Jackie just the like perfect combination of things that could activate it like a young kid she's pregnant with and second kid on her on undergoing so much stress yeah second kid on its way like was it just the perfect storm that all of that energy was just right at the right moment that activated the energy well and they say like when you're going through any life change like if you're having a baby if you adopt a dog if if your goldfish dies

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like you should do a a cleansing and it's like she had a million things all at once happen yeah right that would warrant trying to clear your space right and then why did it stop that is my biggest question yeah and for the amount of violence that it had I'm so curious one why it stopped and two why it didn't utilize the Ouija board to like why just answer the questions that they ask like if I were I don't know the rules of the Ouija board on the other side but like I feel like that's your opportunity to monologue like tell say what you want and I mean he was saying a lot so he was utilizing his stage right that's your chance here's what I need from you I really truly believe he was just so

Listener's Haunting Encounter

wrapped up in Anger that like you were saying similar to the Bell Witch what Humanity was left was so small and the energy of anger and hate or Revenge was so strong that it it was a primary force terrible yeah okay I have an email called that time an entity tried to take

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my boyfriend excuse me rude hey AB besties new listener from ladies and tangents hey I would like to start off with an apology for the spelling and mess of this email I have a spicy ADHD brain ha well honestly that probably makes this email perfect and easy for me to read yeah my name is Tori she the worse it's written the easier it is for us to read I'm from brisan Australia I have binged almost all of your episodes and I fall out in love with you guys so thank you for filling my ears while I'm at work and at the gym and with that hold on to your butts because this is going to get wild you know what's crazy I went through a period of time where I was Rel listening to our episodes while I was on the treadmill like walking MH and I had to stop because I felt like I kept especially specific episodes I would get so spooked that I hated the sensation of like looking over my shoulder or feeling like I needed from our own podcast oh interesting yeah so I don't know how people run on treadmills

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yeah US list when we were when I lived in Boston and I had a walking commute that was like 45 minutes yeah but no longer now I want to go back and like choose a random one and see if I get scared the one that scared me the most over the summer was the episode where we talked about Greg and Dana's haunted objects oh oh and the Bible won't talk also by the way they've taken everything about that off the internet you can't find anything about the corrupted Testament well so we're not going to talk about it because we can't we don't know you know you do know though oh yeah it's in my research that I I want I personally just want to know I'll just send you the what I written okay but I'm scared you don't have you read it in here just on my computer I'm not like sending it anywhere it's just like you see where it already you can read through it okay so first in background I am sensitive meaning that I can see hear feel dream and smell all the ghosties and I have for my entire life you have every clear oh whatever like you have every CL you're you're clar all clar

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all this is sometimes good and sometimes bad as this tail will show let's jump in the way back machine to give or take a decade and I'm 17 I'm living in a share house with a few friends and we spend our time smoking the devil's lettuce and binge drinking because youth gardening as they call it the youth call it we also delve into playing with Ouija boards because yeah dumb youth but we do know the rules don't play inside always have white candles say a prayer before starting always say goodbye and never ever take your hand off the Planck I never heard don't play inside I never heard that either feel like that's the only place I've ever played I feel more scared playing outside what are you opening up a giant portal in the sky the whole world which we did follow these rules we had played multiple times in different places and for example we played at the cemetery down the road but this night in particular we played in the driveway of the house while it was raining and we were under the eaves for shelter and this meant that the board was up against the garage door and one of my friends was on the opposite side

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another was on the right side of the board my boyfriend on the left and I was the scriber being off to the side next to my boyfriend okay we stated a prayer we lit the candles and we asked if there was anyone that wanted to talk to us and I cannot remember what was asked or what answers we received we played for a few hours in side note I don't know if either of you have played with a board before but time flies when you do it's like you go onto Spirits time and it's like three times the speed of regular time and anyway I feel like we only asked a few questions and it was time to go home because it was late so we all say goodbye to the board we cleaned it up and we went our separate ways this night I was staying at my mom's house and my boyfriend and I drove home while in the car my boyfriend asked me could you see the thing that we were talking to I replied no could you he replied yeah it was up against the garage wall hanging upside down with long fingers and one long black nail on the planet ew oh my God I was shocked that is terrifying long limbs

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hanging upside down like a bat yeah long limbs massive hands really long black fingernails using one long black fingernail to move the planet no thank you what on Earth were we talking to I hate that 20 minute ride back to my mom's house Al it totally knew that he could see it yeah disgusting it's like isolating him [ __ ] 20 minute arrived back to my mom's house we rode in silence after this side note my ex and I had a little routine eat smoke shower then bed so when we arrived home he went straight to bed I was like well I'm hungry and so I ate I had a smoke a shower and then came to bed the light was off but I could tell that he was in the middle of the bed and I was like can you move over nothing babe please move over nothing I then shook him nothing in a 17-year-old rage I turned the light on ah you're so annoying move over oh no and there I saw

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him lying flat like a board on his back his eyes open his mouth open his lips blew his hands to his chest with the imprint of hands on his throat and chest because at this point he wasn't wearing a t-shirt and I freaked out immediate panic I stood there looking at him being like [ __ ] what do I do what do I do so I yelled let go with him let go of him he's not yours let go and nothing I only allow those who walk through the white light to be in here anything else is not welcome let go nothing just weird gurgling noises coming from his open mouth oh my God his eyes looking straight forward looking at the ceiling so I flung the door open I ran to my mom's room I woke her up Mom wake up he isn't breathing I need help what do I do how horrifying as a mother oh my God I chills just reading this mom in her half asleep state was extremely confused he isn't breathing mom there's something on him so mom walks into the room and quickly turns to me and says what did you do what did you contact she knew she knew instantly we did a

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spirit board tonight and she snapped at me you idiots called 0000 so I called 00 and I asked for an ambulance to attend to our house my mom was in the room with him she was trying to complete CPR but nothing was working we could not move his arms from his chest we couldn't do anything so my mom grabbed some Sage from her room and we started burning it in our room the ambulance arrived 5 minutes later I ran to the front door I flung it open I let them in I waved them down as they turned into my driveway I turned around to get my mom and boom there's my boyfriend he's standing an inch from my face what he asks what are you doing what am I doing what the heck are you doing I thought you were dead I screamed at him he replies what am I doing we just got home why are you opening the door why is there an ambulance here is your mom okay I am stunned he remembers nothing I quickly explained why we're there he reluctantly gets into the back of the ambulance they check his vitals they give him a clean bill of health what what did her mom

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witness I think all all that same thing because wasn't the mom upstairs with him oh yeah like how did he how did what happened in that moment once that was all finished we went back inside and I asked him what he thinks had happened and he explained to me that he did not remember coming home he just remembers when he asked me at the door what are you doing thinking that we had just arrived home shut so what this is crazy we completed a cleanse of the house and of him that night before we went back to bed I guess we will never know what it was that tried to take him but yeah we never touched another spirit board again lesson learned thanks for reading my story I have plenty more like how my toddler spirit guide saved my life and two of my friends lives when I was in a car that rolled off the top of a mountain or the manifestation of depression of my ex's family being uplisted and did not like me being in their house but yeah I'll save those for another time yeah I can't even process what she I want to hear other stories but like I'm still trying to process love you Tori Tori what the okay

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because this is giving me big no feratu Vibes but is there a possibility there I mean there is of course there is there's a possibility to anything because it's all none of this makes sense is there a possibility that this entity actually manipulated Tori and her mom to experience this whole thing but it was actually like what the boyfriend experience of them just getting home was the real oh interesting I don't know I mean it's whatever it was like does the boyfriend remember the Ouija board experience like it's just everything after it's just after I think it's like the car ride nothing this is the one part of no foru that I wish you like I think you would like is the power that this vampire no Fatu has over so many people I Put a Spell on You it very much is like that and now you're mine his hand I mean granted these hands are way more beautiful on our wallpaper but

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there's a lot of like thought talking about your hands oh no there's a lot of moments where like the long creepy nail hand Shadow is reaching over cities of people yuck how Wild though how Wild oh and how scary too to just like see basically see your boyfriend dead in bed and not be able to do anything yeah also the fact that like his arms were stuck to him like they couldn't pry his arms off of him to try to like Corp a rigid postmortem oh my God what is it called riger mortise rigor mortise yeah wild well that was quite the episode all right sleep well everyone nighty night yeah if you have any haunting encounters please email them to us at two girl1 GHP podcast gmail.com if you would like episodes ad free and one week early please join us on patreon where you also get access to campfire stories which is live every Tuesday you get bonus content and so much more you can tell all your friends about us that

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would be pretty pretty sick pretty cool sick that' be nice thanks shout out to Jamie who edits our episodes thank you Jamie and thank you to all of you we love you we hope you come back next week we really do we can't promise it will be great but it will be fun well it's my episode so maybe it won't be great what what episode are you doing tease us there's a screaming house it's going to be amazing I need to have more confidence in everything I do cuz if I feel like people who walk around just like confident is all [ __ ] other people think that they're great yeah if you think you're great I think it's posture Well mine's terrible keep your chin up yeah I'm hunched over too well we love you and we will see you on the other side very spooky