NURSERY OF LIARS | Babysitters vs. Demons, Ghost Kids & Hauntings (x311)

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I don't want to hurt her. I don't care that you don't like her. I like her. Fine, I'll ask her. I asked who he was talking to. Just my friend. His name is Lucifer. He wants me to hurt you, but I don't want to hurt you. Want to go play a game in the basement? And this is an encounters episode themed horrifying nanny/bsitting stories. Hell yeah.

Yeah.

Very spooky.

Hello.

Was that a hello?

Yeah.

Were people supposed to hear that? [laughter]

I I don't know.

Everyone get your supersonic hearing ready because [laughter]

guys I'm out of breath. just ran up the basement stairs. One flight of stairs gets me these days.

I've been climbing six.

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Oh [ __ ]

Yeah. The building that I

life in an old city.

Yeah. And there's a Well, there is a little elevator, but I'm trying to make myself walk the stairs.

Oh. And work on my boot.

Oh, see when I lived on the sixth floor, I certainly took the elevator. [laughter]

Unless I'm carrying things, then I will take the elevator. But otherwise, forcing myself to take those stairs. Get that booty, that glutius maximus as

lifted, tight. Yeah, exactly. Because I'm not working out otherwise. So,

yeah,

my stairs are my exercise.

I was going to say me neither, but actually I really love their studio that I go to. Amethyst Studio.

Shout out to our listener.

Hey, Olivia. Olivia [laughter] started a a workout studio. It's like bar, pilates, yoga. They do sound baths and raiki.

Oh, yeah. Did you end up doing the sound bath?

No, I had to cancel last night. It was devastating

cuz I was so curious to hear if you were triggered again like the last time.

Yeah, my house fell with illnesses and so I was the only

Your house fell on top of a wicked witch.

I was the only non sick party so I

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wasn't able to leave.

Well, next time you'll go

next time.

But this time this is

two girls or one ghost.

Two girls, one ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That is Karen. I am Sabrina and this is an encounters episode themed in honor of a movie that is coming out that I am so excited because I read the books the entire series by Freda McFaten. I highly recommend if you are in a reading rut and haven't been able to like get back into it. Any Freda McFaten book will they're so easy to read. People post them constantly

and they're so good.

I feel like The Housemaid has been on my to read list forever.

Yeah. And now I really should read it. And I don't know how people will feel about the movie compared to the book, but at least the trailer of the movie looks so good.

I know. I'm really excited for it. I read the It's three and a half books cuz like she did a fanervice like half book about the couple after the three came

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out. I read them all in like a week.

Really?

Yeah. So, I'm excited. And in honor of that, we thought, what better stories to share than horrifying nanny/bsitting stories.

Hell yeah.

And it made me think about I used to be an Opair. I was an Opair for an entire summer in Italy. I lived with an Italian family, lived in their house. And uh

who what were their like what was their deal?

Yeah. What was their deal? How old were the kids to do?

Trapped in a room. It was more cuz I didn't get to travel abroad. So it was during the summer between junior and senior years of college

and it was just my way of spending a summer in Europe

where I was I had free stay lodging and then I got to like hang out with a cool Italian family like right on the coast. It was on the Mediterranean Sea.

How many days a week did you have to

I worked during the weeks and then on the weekends I would travel.

Oh. How old were the kids?

I think they were like nine and 11.

Oh, okay. That's way easier. They did it

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more cuz they wanted their kids to learn English, so they brought an English- speakaking nanny or

OPA. Like, where should we go? What should we do?

And then me and the other Opairs like became besties. It was so much fun.

So cool.

It was really fun. I did not experience any ghosts or hauntings or horrible people. So, that's great.

That's great.

But yeah, ghost stoal to tell and Sabrina will start.

They're scary. So excited. [laughter]

Okay, this is from our listener, Morgan. And there are a couple stories in here, but there's the first date horror, demonic toddler, and shadow people. A

demonic toddler. Is that paranormal or is that just everyday? We'll find out. [laughter] Hello ladies. I love the podcast. I even let my daughter listen in on the Bigfoot episodes. She is a certified creepy kid and is obsessed with Bigfoot.

I love that.

Anyway, I was listening to episode 66

first date horror & demonic toddler

today and Ken covered the haunting in Connecticut. Well, this sparked some hilarious and terrifying memories because I too was traumatized by the

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story at a young age. In fact, my first date ever was to the movies. And can you guess what we saw? That's right. Haunting in Connecticut.

Oh, [ __ ]

Mind you, I was in sixth grade.

That's such a scary one. Oh, in sixth grade, I think I walked out of uh The Haunting of Emily Rose.

Terrify.

It took me two two tickets, two movie tickets to finally actually sit through that whole movie. I think the only movie I ever saw as a child like or before I turned 18 in movie theaters was a scary movie and I left because I was so scared [laughter]

like here in this seat today.

Well, and it's also funny because I was talking to my sister recently. My sister and my mom growing up were like the horror movie fanatics. They would watch them all the time. I was the scaredy-cat and now my sister and I have like swapped where

wow

she doesn't really like scary movies anymore.

Like they're too scary for her. I also feel like there's a lot of stories I used to very easily be able to stomach and then having a kid has changed that. So I wonder if that is what happened to

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Lexi.

I think I just went through different life [ __ ] that now nothing scares me.

Yeah, we're just at me.

Moving on.

My medicine cabinet would say something is wrong up here. [laughter] Wires have been crossed. Okay, so Morgan says, "We walked our butts from my parents house to the movie theater, bought our tickets, and Andy's combo, which is something like from her small town. It's a famous cowboy actor

combo."

I remember very little from that movie aside from being scared shitless for weeks. To this day, shower curtains freak me out. But my story is about a kid I babysat once. I used to work for an app that was essentially Uber for babysitters. I got a job close to my apartment and thought, "Easy money." The job was for one child, 3 years old, and it was only for 4 hours. I get to this beautiful older ranch style house. And when I walk in, the first thing I see is so many crosses.

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And they had this massive map that displayed where Christianity was all over the wall. Which I feel like if you're like 80 years old, I get it, granny, but if you're a young family with a bunch of young kids and your house is just like littered with crosses,

there's something about it that is like a little

Why? Also, like they're kind of dangerous. Like a

the metal poles unless they're like really

seems like a hazardous item. Overall, this was an inviting home, but I did notice and feel like all the crosses and whatnot were a little over the top. Anyway, the mom gives me the DL on the kid. He has behavior problems, but does well when his siblings aren't around, which was fine because that day it was just going to be him and I. He was super sweet while mom was there, and talked about how excited he was to play with me. Fast forward, we were playing a game. I don't remember exactly what happened, but apparently I was not playing by his rules, which really upset him, so he stormed off to his room. [laughter] I gave him a moment as his mom did warn me about these outbursts and said it's

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best to give him some space to calm down. So I go to check on him, but as I approach his room, I overhear he is having a whole ass conversation. It went like this. I don't want to hurt her. I don't care that you don't like her. I like her. Fine, I'll ask her. Then he turned around and saw me.

Oh my freaking god. And when he saw me, he got pissed and yelled at me to leave him alone. So I told him, "Okay, come find me. I'll be in the living room when you're ready." A few minutes go by and he comes out. I asked who he was talking to. And he looked at me funny and asked when I was just in my room. I said, "Yes." And he responded without a beat. Just my friend. His name is Lucifer. Are you friends with Lucifer?

Oh, somebody helped this child.

I said, "Nope. I am friends with Jesus though. And he and he calmly

It sounds like your parents are too based on the crosses everywhere.

And he calmly said he said you would say that. My friend doesn't like you. He

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wants me to hurt you. But I don't want to hurt you. Want to go play a game in the basement at [laughter] this point.

Like how confusing for this child, too.

So confusing.

It's like waffling between being really aggressive and then

just being like, "But like we can be friends." Also, clearly this friend is a very intense

Oh my god. Yeah.

wanting to control him. At this point, I didn't want to go anywhere. I wanted to leave, but I couldn't leave a 3-year-old alone. So, I say, "Um, why don't we play up here?" He got frustrated and kept urging, "Let's go play in the basement." Luckily, his mom returned home not too long after this interaction. I didn't even know how or what to tell the mom, so I said, "Everything was peachy." And I left. I immediately took them off my contact list and never went back because that kid is by far the creepiest kid I've ever met.

Okay, here's my one. Was this actually paranormal or was this like his imagination playing things out

only because like we both grew up Catholic going to CCD, whatever. Like my little small town church was quite

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boring. When I moved to LA, I went with like a group of friends who were also like well they were very like Christian and so it wasn't necessarily like a Catholic church but it was like a Christian church and one of those ones where like I thought you know like the band is going to be jamming like the things that you see early like oh Haley Bieber goes here or whatever. Yeah.

So like when we well this was pre Haley Bieber being a Bieber but I went to one of these churches one time and it was the scariest thing that I've ever witnessed.

Why? what they were saying. Like the actual sermon was so disturbing. It was so dark. It was so full with hate. It was like about how you'll like never be able to like ever like truly be forgiven for your sins and how everyone is just evil. And it was like super

Wait, so where's the positive spin in this? Well, the point being [laughter] perhaps given how many crosses and just how like devotly religious this family seemed to be,

what if they went to a church with someone who preached really scary dark things and this three-year-old's sitting

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there and it's like Lucifer and he he's going to attack you and he wants to hurt you and like

he's just absorbing this as a three-year-old.

It could be that. I also think as children like the way you process like good and bad like my one friend I told you about her daughter whose invisible friend is named Curly but whenever she does bad things she goes no that was Curly

so it's kind of like this disconnecting from your negative thoughts

right but like where did you get the name Lucifer as a young kid it was either

probably church yeah or Lucifer himself

or Lucifer himself

okay Morgan says finally my own story about the house I grew up in my home was a new build that my parents had custom built when we were little, so no one lived there before, and it wasn't built on some burial ground or anything like that. Well, I was always terrified to walk through my house alone at night. I always felt like there was someone or something watching me. My parents basically said I was crazy and made me go to counseling. And this is where I was told I was crazy and it was all in my head. Flash forward to now and my dad

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lives in that house alone and he has had to install cameras everywhere and has caught some pretty weird things. Orbs traveling through the house, sinks being turned on and off, lights being flickered. So now my dad finally believes me and I tease him that he's living there alone and it's his karma for not believing me when I was younger. It doesn't seem too negative just spirits hanging around making their presence known to him now that they can't torture me. Anyway, if you read this on the podcast, I will simply pass away. Thanks for reading. Love you ladies in the podcast. See you on the other side. Morgan, please use my name. It's pretty common. [laughter]

Oh, Morgan, that it sounds like you had one of the scariest babysitting experiences out there. I'm also just so curious. There's two parts of me. Like, for Morgan's sake, I am glad that she has not gone back to that house. But for a curious mind's disappointment, I want to know what happened with this kid and Lucifer.

Yeah.

And what's going on there? Well, it's also just like so hard to trust people. It's like what if the last babysitter

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like planted all this in his mind, too. Like I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that it's like it's coming from something else, like an external force that's like human and not

this demon coming after him

cuz he's just three.

I guess we'll never know unless you're listening to the podcast and this is your child and you're like, "Oh my god, my son and Lucifer. Let me email."

That's his imaginary friend. And he still has him. [laughter] And he actually eats dinner with us every night. We have to hide all the knives. [laughter]

So scary. Okay. Well, I have one called

nannying two creepy kids

I Nanny Two Creepy Kids. Great. Hi, Ghouls. Baby Noah and Leia. I'm going to stay anonymous, so you can call me E. I'm from a small town near Boston that's basically been there since Christopher Columbus' crusty ass touched down. So, you could say my town is a little bit spooky. I know. And I'm really curious like where it's also show your house.

They're like, "Oh, this town's been around since forever." It's like, "Okay, well that's a lot of the Massachusetts towns."

I haven't had too many experiences in my

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hometown, but what I'm going to tell you today is what happened to me just last week. Ooh, I nanny 3 days a week for two lovely kiddos. For the story, we will refer to them as baby L and baby C. I've never thought of them as creepy kids, nor have I ever felt anything out of the ordinary in this home. But now I'm seriously second guessing this. The house was only built in the early 1910s. So a weird colonial man haunting us is sort of out of the picture here. But there is a graveyard across the street with some of the stones dating back to the late 1700s. So the other day it was the first really warm day in Boston. So I decided to let the kids play outside after dinner. And inevitably we found the ice cream truck. In true toddler fashion, it took them a solid 40 minutes to eat their popsicles. So, we ended up heading back inside way later than normal. I brought them right up to the bath because they were disgustingly sticky.

Yeah.

And 40 minutes melting popsicle. It's like Yeah.

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It's like, how many times does that popsicle touch like their shirt and the ground and bumped into things around them?

Yeah.

Yuck. [laughter] Okay. And then I continued my usual nighttime routine, getting out the pajamas, the diapers, laying out towels, and picking out outfits for the next day. While I was walking out of Baby L's bedroom and heading to Baby C's, I heard something from a closet. Baby L had three separate closets in her room. One of which, the one next to the rocking chair and covered partially by a nightstand, I have never opened before. It sounded like a thump on the door or someone or something maybe helping finish close the door. Hm. I really wasn't sure which closet this noise came from, and I was kind of hoping that it didn't come from the oddly blocked one. I got chills. But I had to get the diaper and the pajamas from BBC's bedroom and get the kids out of the bath. Don't worry, the bathroom's across from the hall. Both kids are old enough to sit by themselves, and I'm still able to see them and checking on them every second. I tried to forget about the noise, and I started getting the kids ready for bed. While I was dressing baby C, a noise like a light

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switch came from the hallway, specifically near the bathroom. Baby L looks at me calmly. She looked back at the hall, turned back to me, and said, "Who turned on the bathroom light?" It definitely sounded like someone had flipped on the light switch. But I said, "No one, silly. I left the lights on." But I am not really sure that I did.

Oh my gosh. My ADHD ass very well could have kept the lights on or turned them off because I genuinely don't remember what I did when I was leaving the bathroom with the kids. But I was really freaked out. I felt really weird after and I just let the kids play together and I silently prayed. I'm not religious either. I'm culturally Jewish and I definitely more spiritual than religious. But in this moment, I knew I had to bless the house, the kids, and bless myself in the name of Jesus Christ. After praying and saying that no spirits were allowed in the kids' bedrooms and had to stay away from us, I didn't really feel anything the rest of the night. I was super spooked. So, I did sit in baby L's room until she fell

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asleep. And then I really dragged out me having to go downstairs by myself because was there a spirit there with me? Maybe someone shaming me for keeping the kids up too late, telling me that I had to get them to bed. I really don't know. I really don't know. I'll keep you guys updated. See you on the other side.

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Well, it sounds like E does babysit these kids regularly, so I'm curious if anything more has happened. When was this sent?

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Uh, this was in April of this year.

Okay.

Spring. We need some updates. I mean, it doesn't seem negative. It just seems like it's messing with the lights. It's doing typical ghost things. Maybe it lives in the closet and it was

But the kids are aware. They're like,

"Right, get turned on."

I am also curious like I'm in my imagination imagination. I'm picturing E with their back to the bathroom and the kid like E facing the kid, the kid looking towards the bathroom. And when they heard the light switch, the kid actually saw someone in the bathroom, too.

Oh, so who was like, who is that turning on the light?

Was like, I'm seeing someone,

right?

But I don't know who that is.

And then the kid is like, oh, I don't want to scare my nanny e because clearly E think thinks doesn't understand what's going on. So I just

But also, as a kid, you probably are like, "Someone's turning the light on. Don't really think too much of it."

Well, maybe. I just have memories of like all the houses I lived in and how terrified I was. Like I knew when someone wasn't

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supposed to be there.

Supposed to be there. Yeah.

I don't know. Yikes. Okay. Wait. This is a little bit of a tangent, but I need to talk about it because it's all I've been thinking about for the past couple of weeks. How people think is so vastly different.

Oh, yeah. Do you want to talk about this before?

I don't think we've had like a full conversation about it because I think in full sentences. I hear my own voice. There is a constant monologue happening inside my head which is why I think

and sometimes sub monologues like multiple three conversations at once.

Yeah. But it's constant which I think is why I spend a lot more like I'm an internal thinker and I don't like to like I'm not a chatty chatty Kathy. I'm more internal and then some people like truly just see visual. So when

that's what I don't understand. I don't understand how you can like speak words if the the words aren't in your brain.

In your brain. No, I know. I guess there's like so many different subcategories of how people think. But then people like have combination. But my Okay. to figure it out with all of you. If you're if you want to play along, first of all, let us know how you think. But there's like the main

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categories are a thought like you hear the voice of yourself thinker, visual thinker, feeling thinker, and then there was one other one where it's like, what was it?

It's interesting because I feel like the the feelings and the pictures and stuff will come into my mind, but then my voice analyzes it.

Okay, so I'm seeing this or I'm now feeling this and the voice is still talking. If I tell you to visualize your mom, do you see her actual face in your mind's eye or do you see the idea of her face?

I think it's kind of both.

So, I I see more of the idea. I'm like I know your face, but I'm not seeing like a perfect

Yeah. Like I feel like when when you said that, that's why I the reason I said both was cuz it's like like I got like the face shape and then I got her lips, but it wasn't like the full thing. It was like and then it was like then it kind of disappeared and like it's kind of blotchy and coming up and then

but the idea of it is there always.

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Yeah. But it just made me think about how no duh we have such a hard time as like humans connecting with one another because if we think differently it's going to be harder to connect on that level.

Yeah.

I don't know. I just thought that was wild. So anyway, how do you think it's so wild? It also makes me wonder like people who study the brain like is there a way to know on brain scans,

right? Does it show what someone thinks?

Is there certain portions of your brain that light up more significantly than others? And does that equate to like how someone says that they think,

right? I don't know cuz I always think about too like um what's it called? The INFJ personality types and like your attachment styles and like that how that relates into like working on on yourself and communication with people.

I feel like there should be a study based on the way you think and how that impacts your communication style.

Yeah.

If I was studying psychology, that would be my thesis. [laughter] No, my thesis would be like ghosts are real, right? Or do they live in our

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head? That literally was mine. Senior year.

I know. I love that.

College. No, it was people's personality traits to uh paranormal experiences.

Oh,

it was compared to like the big five personality traits. So, my group researched a bunch of people.

I wasn't included and I'm offended.

Well, you weren't a psych major. So, sorry. But my senior capstone, like that's what we found was that there was a perfect correlation between people who scored highest on openness in their big five personality traits. 100% of those people had paranormal experiences. That makes sense. I feel like people are more empathetic.

But now we have now we have math and statistics to back it up.

Hell yeah. This is from our listener

shaking couch & mysterious blood

Theo. Hello ladies.

Hello. I Theo take thee Karen and Sabrina to be haunted for ever more. I'm originally from Texas but now from California. And you will find out in the story why. I started listening a few months ago while I was studying for law school to be a lawyer for ghosts. Um I made that up. But while studying, I

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would listen to you guys and get scared shitless. But it also helped me focus more. So my story starts in my childhood home in San Antonio, Texas. It was a pretty old house since it was passed down to my dad by his parents for us to live in. I'm not sure as to why our house had so many paranormal things happen in it because it was almost never empty. Sometimes only one person would be left, but at least once a month extended family members would come and hang out at our house. So like there were always people there. Maybe that's why the ghosts were there. They like your family. One of the most memorable experiences was one that I didn't encounter, but our Opair did. Ooh. Her room was right next to mine on the second floor. And one day, she was home alone. I was at school and my parents were at work. Our Opair decided to take a nap. And while she was laying there, she suddenly heard heavy footsteps in her room, like someone was walking toward her, slow and deliberate. And keep in mind, we had two tiny Pomeranians. But she swore this sounded like an adult human footsteps, not tiny little dog footsteps. So she was

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terrified and she stayed frozen in bed. Another time, my uncle was napping on the couch when suddenly the couch started shaking violently. [clears throat] He thought it was an earthquake, but when he looked around, nothing else was moving, just the couch.

Yeah.

So he just closed his eyes and waited for it to stop.

Like what else can you do at that point? I would get off the couch. as someone who experienced that in my family experienced it in my childhood home. That's

true.

You just wait for it to end

because it probably does happen pretty quickly by the time you're like processing that nothing else is vibrating and shaking.

Sometimes it's many many minutes.

That's crazy.

But at least for ours, it wasn't like, you know, you're not being like rocked and like back and forth. It's just like

shaking like an earthquake, but just on your bed.

Yeah.

My mom had her own creepy moment, too. One morning, she was home alone. The rest of us had already left. The Opair had the day off. and she swore she heard me calling her from my room like, "Mom, please come here." multiple times. She said it was like I was pleading for her to come to my room, but she knew that I wasn't there, so she didn't even come to

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check. She just stayed put and pretended she didn't hear anything, which we all think was a good call.

Yeah.

Now, about 8 years ago, we renovated the house since it was pretty old and was passed down from generations and stuff was pretty outdated. So, before construction, it was this like old creaky kind of place. But now it's Easter Sunday, so no workers are around. And we had been out for most of the weekend. Like truly, we hadn't stepped foot in the house for more than 3 days. But then we go back to the house to check on things, and we randomly find drops of blood on the floor.

Excuse me.

And not like old stains. This was like still wet drops of blood.

Literally, no one had been in the house. And we're all kind of like, what?

That is so creepy. Also, I'd be like a little nervous there was an injured animal

or an intruder, like someone who was on the construction crew who like knew the family wasn't going to be in town, so he like decided to spend the weekend there. I don't know, but they never found a source of it. Now, this encounter was the most memorable for it happened to me directly. This was during finals week. I

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was home with only our opair who was already asleep because my parents were out of town. I was filming myself studying because, you know, accountability or whatever, and I literally filmed myself locking the door, both the knob and the deadbolt. And then 20 minutes into the video, the door just swings open by itself. No one was there. And the deadbolt can only be unlocked from the inside. So, I immediately grabbed my stuff and went straight to my OPAIR's room. I was done. There were so many other little things, too, like my baby cousin talking to her friend in quotes, who didn't exist. No one was there, but she said her friend was from Jacksonville, which is 16 hours away. And my baby cousin was only three. Like, she'd never been to Jacksonville before. Our dogs would bark at empty corners. Doors would slam and lock by themselves. Toilets flush randomly, faucets turned on by themselves. And eventually, it got to a point we were like, we should probably move. And we did. It's been 3 years since we moved states, and we haven't felt anything weird. Noises, no creepy feelings, no ghosty nonsense, just peace. Honestly, I

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hope it stays that way. from Theo.

Dang. Honestly, what a lovely end, which is that like all those hauntings are over and you just get to live with the stories of them from the past, share them and be like, "Yeah, I experienced some creepy things. My parent did. I was a creepy kid. Everyone in the family experienced something." But it does feel like this house just has so much loving family energy,

especially the like while Theo's studying the door being opened. It just feels like a family. It just feels like a family member having no boundaries. Although like I keep thinking because this happened to my mom a lot too where she would hear me and my brother calling for her and then she'd go check and we would be fast asleep, right?

But like

could that be residual though?

It maybe but in this case it was happening

when no one was home.

Yeah, it wasn't like she was waking up from slumber and like maybe had imagined it or whatever. This was

active,

awake, alert. Fia wasn't home.

Maybe it's a ghost kid who wants mom's attention.

Mommy.

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Well, also this story made me wonder cuz so my family also had opairs growing up

and even the story like when my story of dreaming of my sister being possessed and my dad like actually seeing my sister get possessed like overlapping. We had an OPAIR in the room across the hall from my sister at that time.

Oh [ __ ] So I'm like, how many ghost stories do the opairs we had growing up

are there, right?

That we don't are such it's such an interesting concept like to just have someone live in your house with you. Like it's like another family member.

Yeah.

To just hire someone to be your family, just another parent.

But it's kind of fun because like I would definitely hire an OPAIR at like when my kids were my kids the kids I have when I have kids and they're a little bit older like ages four to six. Like I think it'd be fun to have an Opair to one help them like learn a different culture and like experience something and then I just think it's kind of fun.

Yeah. Well, you lived it and I had one and then became one.

Yeah.

my whole life is a ghost story

Okay. I have one called My Whole Life is a ghost story. Creepy kids. And after

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listening to y'all, my peaceful house is now haunted.

Sorry.

Or you're welcome. I don't know. Some of you sickos want that. Some of you sickos. Okay. Hello, beautiful ladies. Thank you for taking your time to read this and hopefully share it on the tube. This will be a long one because I feel like my whole life has been a big ghost story. So, my dad is the definition of a supernatural enthusiast.

At a young age, he played around with Ouija boards and other things I'm sure we don't really know about, but his ghost stories have kept me up at night for sure. I blame him for all of my experiences that I've had because I'm convinced that I have something that follows me now. Or maybe I'm just sensitive to it all. But it is funnier to blame him for it. [laughter] The earliest event that I can remember happened when I was four years old. We moved into a bread brick house and we had many

bread brick house. Is that what I said? A bread brick.

It's instead of the house made out of candy, it's a house made out of bread. [laughter]

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The mold would be horrible.

Yeah. Four years old, we moved into a brick red house. We had many experiences there. From waking up to all of the kitchen cabinets being opened. Wow. How very paranormal activity. One

to all my Barbies on my floor without their heads.

That's horrifying.

Oh, I thought like this triggered a memory for me.

No, that's just the most terrifying without their heads.

Beheading a collection of Barbies.

When you said Barbies on the floor, my first thought was like, oh, their all their heads are like turned around. But literally plucked off of their bodies,

decapitated. I blamed my brother, but in reality, I knew he didn't do it because he wasn't that type of kid, and he was also only two years old. My Barbie's heads were not really that easy to take off.

No.

The weirdest thing to happen to me was when my dad had a party at our house, and us kids knew that we weren't allowed to be around the adults, so we were always told to go stay up in our rooms. But for some reason, this night, that rule felt a little foggy. I walked into the living room to a bunch of adults

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drunk and dancing when my dad's cousin grabbed my arm aggressively and told me in a deeper voice than normal, "You need to get out of my house." And it's not even his house,

right? I pulled my arm back and I ran to my room. I got in bed with my brother. And then the next day, my dad asked me where I got this bruise on my arm and I told him what happened. As an adult, we talked about this event and he said that he called his cousin and asked her about it that day. And my dad was very protective over me. She said she never even saw me that night.

Why does this remind me of the scene in um Halloween Town where all like the parents are under the spell or is it Hocus Pocus?

Hocus Pocus when they're like in the town hall.

Yeah. And they're all under a spell.

Yeah. They're all drunk and dancing with it.

Yeah. We're kind of under a spell.

A drunken spell.

Spirit spell. Another day, all of our doors locked while we were playing outside. My dad said that he heard someone whisper in his ear often when no one would be there. And my brother cried saying that he saw a tall man with a top hat in the bathroom while he was peeing.

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He didn't go into the bathroom alone after that experience.

No, I wouldn't either.

The house almost caught fire once because someone put a piece of paper in the heater that blew out onto the carpet and my dad swore that it was us. But me and my brother to this day know that neither of us put the paper

in. Reminds me of the Hinsdale house.

Yeah, the Hinsdale house is really scary. It is. I feel like when we were talking about it, it was like creepy and scary, but I just feel like it keeps coming.

Especially how many people have gotten in car accidents while listening, even though we warned you not to drive while listening.

Yeah, but people don't want to listen in their house either cuz they don't want their house to be haunted.

Yeah, but the Hinsdale house haunting themselves had so many car problems. That was why Definitely don't listen in the car. Anyway,

weird stuff happened often. I don't really recall why we moved, but we did not stay in that house very long. second house we moved into and still to this day my brother lives in. My dad had built a room for me at this house because I was the only girl so I deserve my own room

and I loved it.

It was pretty and it was pink and it was floral and I was convinced that

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something else was in the room with me. I was 6 years old at this time and I never went to sleep when I should. I would listen to music until like midnight most nights until I fell asleep with my Walkman. Almost every night I was woken between 1 and 3:00 am to knocking on my wall.

Don't like that.

Most nights I would just be brave about it. And on the nights that I couldn't be, I would just run into my dad's room. I for some reason was convinced that it was the devil himself knocking.

Which like being convinced of that at that age, like yes, you were saying, you know, like we're taught heaven, hell, especially if you grew up in the church and stuff,

but being convinced it's the devil.

Yeah. is a very very weird thought to have.

Right. They're right. I don't remember this, but according to my dad, this is what I told him. He told me it was just squirrels in the walls. [laughter] I knew it wasn't true because the knocking was like a tune, not something done by an animal. Also, if I acknowledged it, it was like it knew it had my attention and it carried on with

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the tune. And it took a lot to creep me out at this point. My first horror movie was The Exorcist and I was like five when I watched it.

Okay. But when something pulled my covers off aggressively many nights, by the way, I basically had my breaking point. I ended up not sleeping. Yeah. So young.

Also to be like, oh, I was hardened by the time I was six because I watched The Exorcist when I was five. [laughter]

Jesus.

I ended up not sleeping in that room after that. And honestly, I tried to stay in my grandmother's house as much as I could.

Also, like the Hinsdale house,

right? It was like all the kids eventually like jump ship. Is this from a hintale?

Yeah. Like,

let me look it. Okay. Okay. Well, last name doesn't say h still, but I don't know. I would feel bad leaving my family behind, but it seemed like this was the only way to get it from messing with me. To this day, my brother says that he hears knocking still. Odd things happen often in that house, and I still get the creeps when I walk in there. My grandmother's house also had a spirit that walked in front of her windows every night at 10:30 p.m. I was not

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scared because it felt like it was a nice spirit, but everyone knew about it, even my friends. and they would come and watch it and

like wave hello.

I mean it if it's 10:30 every night it's like everyone want to go see the ghost.

It's like a fireworks show. It's a ghost show.

10:30 drive by grandma's house. [laughter]

Honestly, I felt kind of sad about it cuz I felt like they were lost and they needed to cross over.

But let's skip to when I moved out on my own as an adult because this really could get long if I just kept going on about my childhood. At this time, I now have a child that at birth I knew would be very special. I know every mom says that, but I really in my soul I felt like she was with her as a baby. She would wave at things that were not there. She would do all these weird kind of baby stuff, but like to creep you out. [laughter] And when she started talking, I knew that there was more. My grandmother passed away when my daughter was just 1 years old, and she never really got to see her.

She saw her as an infant in the hospital, but really not much after that. We were at my mother's house and my mother's mom had already passed away and my daughter looked at my mom and

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said, "Grandma, who is that in the corner looking at me?" My mom was like, "Who?" And my daughter said, "I don't know, but she won't stop looking at me." My mother just ignored it, thinking, "Okay, she's just a kid. I'm going to move on." But the next day, my mom was putting up pictures on the counter of my grandmother, her mom, and my daughter was in her lap. She said, "Grandma, that's the woman that sits in the corner all the time."

I like that.

My mother smiled and said that it was her mother and that she must be there to watch over us.

That's sweet.

She had many experiences like this. She hears and sees people all the time. She went to Indiana for my mom's last wish to spend time with her family who has now passed. She was dying of ovarian stage 4 cancer.

I'm sorry.

So sorry. We went to a petting zoo that had this old Victorian kids playhouse. It was super cool looking. We took my daughter over to go look at these houses. She refused to go near one of them and started acting really, really scared. I asked her what was wrong and

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she told, "Mommy, there's a little girl my size with no eyes in there and she is so sad

but scary looking." See, this is the whole this goes back to like the black eyed kids theory and there are the terrifying like cryptedesque demonic type of blackeyed kids, but there is also many stories of kids that have black eyes and it's like the sadness like some people say that their spirits appear with either no eyes or dark eyes because like their innocence and souls were ripped away. So,

right, they saw too much.

Yeah.

Oh, man. At this point, I'm used to my daughter saying stuff like this, so I told her, "Oh, well, it's okay. We don't have to look at this one." And then we moved on. [laughter] Many times as my daughter grew up, she told me, "Mom, please tell them to stop arguing." Or, "Why are they talking so loud?" And this only happened when we were in her room. Babysitters have told me that she has done really odd things, things that creeped them out and they refused to babysit her anymore,

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which is wild because that's just babysitters who told her things. Me and my countless like our first listener

gone through. Yeah.

Who literally never came back. Yeah. [laughter] Goodbye.

Block.

After my mother's passing, she had visited her a few times, too. And I feel such a relief knowing that my daughter's protected. I do look forward to my daughter telling me more of her stories about my grandmother and how she enjoys these visits from her. These visits from grandma were peaceful unlike the others because even as a teenager, my daughter still struggles. She has shadows following her, chasing her. She's also cursed with empathy which has caused her to be a deeply depressed child at a young age.

Well, this goes back to your study in college of openness and empathy equing paranormal encounters.

Yes. really what she needs is a spiritual guidance counselor, but Texas does not have anything like that.

I am sure that there are many of our listeners who would be that.

Yeah. Skipping a few years after, I was

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dating this guy, now happily married to him, and he stayed at my apartment. That night, he woke up extremely spooked and went home. I never understood what happened. He didn't stay the night much afterwards, and I just chocked it up to maybe him being anxious. I'm a home, buddy. But later I found out that he had been woken up by my closet door opening. And when he looked, there was something that flew slash ran out of the closet and through the wall. I was

Did you do a haunted boyfriend's episode,

right?

Or haunt haunted like dates.

And I love how he was just like, "Well, I'm just not going to come over much or spend the night, but like I won't tell."

But didn't want to say why.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was really used to weird stuff happening, but bless his heart, he did not know what he had coming dating me. We later moved into a house and this house had so much stuff happen. We felt like we were being chased when leaving the house all the time. Laundry baskets would dump over, items move on their own, shadows everywhere, bad night terrors with my kids, dogs acting weird, things missing, seeing apparitions out

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of the corner of your eye, feeling like someone's watching you, mostly while you're in the shower. Uggh. Right.

And we had to cleanse so many times, but nothing ever worked to change anything. So, we ended up buying a house while renting after living there for 4 years. We were so happy to leave. I can only imagine. So, now we're in this new house. It feels peaceful. It is a house on a little piece of land with a guest house next to it. The guest house is weird. When we first moved in, I had it inspected. It was a cute little one-bedroom, one-b house and apparently was built for the old owner's father who was sick. While walking into the guest house, we noticed the doors had oil marks on them. I then noticed that they were crosses.

Oh.

I said, "Great. This house has been blessed and we should be fine." But minutes later, the bedroom door closed by itself. I was startled to say the least, being the only person there. And I quickly left. To this day, I don't really feel welcome whenever I go in the guest house. My mother-in-law lives there now, and she tells us that she hears stuff all the time. So, we chalk it up to being the goats that live next

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door.

I mean, have you heard them when they scream? They sound like women. Super creepy. A few months ago is when you talked about the doll. And that very night, my vanity mirror slammed open.

What doll?

Probably PTD.

Oh,

cuz that one's the haunted one.

So, I tried to pay no attention to it, but then the next week, my husband's nebulizer machine just turned on. No way possible to do that without switching the on and off button.

So, I've been having a hard time going back to sleep after that. But we recently took in 18-month-old twins, and man are they giving us a run for our money. The girl twin talks to someone all the time and waves at whatever this is. I want to believe that it's my mother who loved babies.

Oh,

we also recorded some orbs flying by. My mother's ashes are on our fireplace. And this is where the orbs were caught. And the like kind of like happy waving sounds like it's a positive experience,

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right? So, we're gonna say that my mom is haunting us.

She was an amazing person and left way too soon at the age of 45.

I'm sorry.

Take care and I hope you all come back to Texas. See you on the other side, ladies. Heather.

Well, yeah. I mean, it does sound like cuz Heather started out this email saying she blames her dad and that also since listening to our podcast, there are more hauntings. Heather was a creepy kid. Heather has a creepy kid

and now creepy twins

and now took in creepy kids.

Just sounds like ghosts are going to be a part of your life. I do hope that Heather's daughter is able to find some type of

Yeah.

spiritual mentor of some kind because it can I can only imagine how isolating that must be.

Right. Yeah. Well, and too it's like one thing to be like, yeah, my daughter sees stuff and experiences paranormal and our house is haunted. It's another thing to have it like so confirmed to the extreme where like you have babysitters that are refusing to ever come back to like that's kind of a hard life to like not

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have or feel like

your mental health,

right? Where you're like, "Oh, is this this is obviously not like the norm?"

But like is this really as bad as it

sad

seems to them?

Give her a big hug.

Yeah. Okay. I have another one. This is

the ghost kid that lives at my work

from Mary and it's called the ghost kid that lives at my work. Hi ghostesses. My name is Mary. She her and I have had plenty of paranormal activity that has happened around me all of my life. I will start with most recent events as the rest spans 30 plus years. I'm a nanny and I work at a private residence. This family is exceptionally normal. They don't believe in the paranormal or if they do they do not talk about it. But I however am a believer. I'm also very scientifically minded, so I will run through every explanation that might explain a noise or an event until I have zero other explanations for things that have happened. So, I'm going to give you a sense of the house. It has three levels plus an attic. The basement is a dem, so only part of it is underground.

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Everyone enters the house through the back garage door, and all other doors are kept locked at all times. Even this back garage door is locked unless we're outside. The playroom, kitchen, dining room, and a couple other rooms are on the main floor. Upstairs has a couple bathrooms and all the bedrooms. And then the demias has the entrance and garage, plus storage. So, I started working for this current family almost 5 years ago. And I started noticing that toys that required movement would randomly go off when I was the only one around. Every other adult would be at work and every kid would be at school or asleep. Just me on the main level of the house. So, I jokingly started saying that there was a ghost kid because it would happen somewhat regularly. And at first, I figured the batteries were running out. And as I'm typing this story, a toy just sounded off, which hasn't happened in months, so they must know I'm talking about them. But one night, I was working late while one boss was out of town. It was just after 5, and it was winter, so it was already very dark outside. I was helping the at the time 3-year-old after

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she went to the bathroom, and the 5-year-old was playing with the 1-year-old in the playroom. There used to be a gate, so the baby couldn't get out. So, the two older kids had a habit of climbing over the couch to get out. And I hear footsteps. So, I assume that the 5-year-old was running out to see what we were up to. And out of the corner of my eye, I see a little body run by to the corner of the kitchen. It had long, light brown hair flowing behind it. And it's important to note that the 5-year-old has dark brown hair. But the only problem was that I could still hear the 5-year-old dancing around with the baby in the playroom. [sighs] Oh. So, I shakily call out the eldest's name, and the three-year-old looks at me and says, "She's in the playroom." So, I got up, walked the five steps to the kitchen, and sure enough, no one was there. So, I witnessed my first ghost, and I was right. There is definitely a ghost kid who lives in this house and just wants to play.

Well, I'm glad that there are other kids there, too, so that like, you know,

yeah, they have company.

They do get to play with other kids. One

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time, the baby, who's now older, but was a baby at the time, was napping, and my boss was out with the two other kids. I was sitting on the couch, head back, eyes closed, when I heard in my ear, clear as day, "Wake him up!" in my left ear. My head shot up. And of course, I freaked out because no one was around. And then Mary doesn't tell us if they went to go wake up the baby. Oh my god. [laughter] But I've heard several other sounds that make me think that there's more than one ghost here. I'll save those if you'd like to hear about them later. Uh, yes, we want to hear about them. I love the podcast. Keep up the good spooks. Let me know if you'd like to hear more and I'll send others. Mary, we absolutely want to hear more. Let's see. Does Mary Has Mary sent another? Well, we want more.

But we want more.

We want to hear everything.

You don't have to ask.

No, but also 100% Mary, there are multiple spirits. A spirit saying, "Wake him up."

That's not the kid.

Mm-

Also, why why was it so important to wake him up just then?

I don't know. This is why I want to film.

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I feel like we would have to wake him up. Like that would

I be so scared if like is there a tree that's going to come through the roof? Are they being stopped breathing for too long?

So scary. That reminds me of the wake him up where the tree is going to go through the window. That reminds me of the episode where I told the Ouija board Reddit stories

and the one where they talked to the aunt and they the aunt was like, "Move the crib."

Mhm. And like they moved it and not two days later did a storm happen and a tree fall exactly where the crib had been.

So terrifying. That was like the first thing we did when we moved. We removed two of the like giant oak trees that were right on Noah's room.

Yeah, of course. Not worth taking any chance.

No, no, no, no, no.

Terrifying.

Wow. Kids are creepy.

Did you have you ever had any creepy babysitting stories?

No. I just hated babysitting. I almost never did it.

Why? Because it was scary.

Oh, you were scared

being in someone else's house. I was scared of my own house.

That's true.

I was definitely going to be scared of other people's houses. The only time

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like I would go across to one of my neighbors house that was like basically directly across from our house and they had three younger kids and I was almost like a mother's helper sometimes. So it would be like,

"Okay, she needs to like shower and do some stuff. I can come over for two hours and entertain the kids in the backyard."

I only did one actual nighttime babysitting gig in my same neighborhood. It was like four houses down

and I was terrified. I basically like melted into the couch after the kids were

asleep and like called my mom on the phone and like just had the TV on and talked to my mom and waited until

No, the parents got home. I couldn't do it. I wasn't sad.

I wasn't brave enough.

I babysat all the time. I watched like my brother a ton,

too. and like my brother and his best friend and like the best friend's younger sister would always be over and I remember in our Branchburg house babysitting and and playing in the basement and the amount of times we would like all run out of the basement because something spooky would happen.

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Yeah, it's too scary.

See, I'd rather babysit in someone else's house than my own haunted house. [sighs]

God, I think I could be a nanny. I don't think I could be a babysitter cuz nannies are like they're there during the day when parents are at work. Babysitters are like it's night time. You're putting kids to bed. You're waiting for home from Yeah,

that's like the difference. And I I couldn't I'm a daytime daylight.

So, you could probably be an opair too

cuz OPAIR is similar thing. You mostly work during the day. I couldn't be an Opair cuz I couldn't I couldn't like check out and have to I wouldn't be able to like appropriately separate myself from working hours

with kids cuz you live in it.

Yeah.

Like if they want to do something and I already had plans. I'd be like, "Sorry, [clears throat]

[ __ ] luck." [laughter]

It would be awful if you didn't get along with your host family.

Yeah. I remember in my town, but I always wanted to make like a little like sitcom about it because every family in the town that I was a Opair in in Italy, it's called Arzano. Like most of the

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families would have OPAs over the summer and like we'd have these events where the parents would like gossip about the OPAIR and the OPAR would all gossip about like our families and but then there were some OPAIRs that were year round OPAR and they thought they were better than like the summer Opairs and there was so much drama.

Well, I could see why cuz they were like we're permanent and you guys are just coming Some of those permanent were

I was like I would not trust you with my children.

Oh yeah.

And the movie Housemade which this episode is not sponsored by at all by the way. We

just excited that it's coming out. Excited that it's coming out. Not all nanny situations end up like that. But if you have creepy babysitting opair nanny stories, whether you were the nanny or your nanny was creepy or your nanny left screaming and never came back, [laughter] please email them to us at two girlsodcast@gmail.com. We want to hear all of your stories. Even outside of the nannies, outside of babysitting, anything creepy, anything paranormal, anything crypted, alien, Bigfoot, whatever it may be, please email it to us. Patreon.

Yeah, just [laughter]

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All right, I got this. Karen's going to sleep. Okay,

I am. I like literally was like, I need to make tea to like get through the next episode that we have to record. I need a shot of

If you want episodes one week early and ad free, join us over on Patreon. We also have Apple Plus subscription. If you just want the audio one week early and ad free, that's available to you as well. Um, thank you so much to our editor and producer Jamie Ryan. Thank you also to our producer Emma. We're so grateful for our team and we're also so grateful for all of you. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.