261. HAUNTED APPALACHIA | The Moon Eyed People | Legends of the Trail | Paranormal Podcast

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very spooky hey hello I feel like you had a very like monotone sad expression with your hello but I think I'm also projecting because I'm no longer with you or in Marble Head which is why I'm wearing my sweatshirt oh wait oh you bought one this time no I've had this I've had this one we were together every day but you did not stay with me you stayed in Marble Head correct your favorite favorite place how was noom's baptism okay it was so good thank you

Baptism and house sorting

for bringing this up okay so we were getting ready to leave to go I made a

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fashion risk that I wasn't sure I would like it's one of those things that I was like I might look back in a couple years and be like what the heck was I thinking wearing that outfit but anyway I wore it it was a green hounds tooth patterned like green and black patterned Blazer dress but as we're walking out to leave to go to the baptism my sister pulled out a Sorting Hat and she was like no one knows but today's also her like she's getting house yeah God I love this I also love that your sister loves Harry Potter just as much as you do like she it's a family affair yeah it's not even a suggestion from you she's like already planning this sorting day and you just it feels like you are attending Hogwarts right like you didn't know that was happening and you show up and there's the Hat yeah so I don't know if you've seen these videos but they there're somewhere basically they'll make cakes or different something that represents each

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house and then the baby or the toddler will crawl to whichever one they want and that's supposed to be the house that they are sorted in so this one was actually a dog's toy but it had a hat and it had little like squeaky toys separate but that represented each house the Ravenclaw was missing but we show up to the baptism and everyone's wearing green it's like a weird why did everyone get this what's going on that is weird we're at the dinner afterwards when she's picking her house she picked Slytherin we all were wearing green it must have been this weird subconscious thing where we knew in the air she's a wow that is weird it is weird when people show up all wearing the same color mhm or everyone has the same outfit and especially for a baptism wearing green it's not like a color associated at all with the event I know look at that you have a Slytherin wait what is what is Lexi she is a griffin

Harry Potter audiobooks

indor but she has Slytherin

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Tendencies I feel like that she's very Harry Potter right yeah my brother's also a Gryffindor I'm a Hufflepuff I'm a Gryffindor and I guess now we have a Slytherin in the family there you go I was thinking about it I was like oh my gosh I finally get to buy the whole Harry Potter set to read because one of my favorite memories was my mom reading out loud all of the books to me and my brother and then when we would be traveling during that time when she was like crushing through all the books we would read or listen to the audio tapes go to the library and we would rent the audio tapes and oh my god oh it's so good to listen to the guy who voices the audio book 10 out of 10 we would listen on road trips yeah it was like the road trip thing because the chapters are longer too so it's it's a way to keep everybody in the car engaged but I was watching a clip or like an interview clip of the man who narrates the Harry Potter books and someone asked him how

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he knew all of the voices like how he could remember all of the voices that were in and he said the first time he read through he would write down the character name and then like as he was reading through the books he would Mark sort of like characteristics about them and then once he decided what their voice was he would make a little note like in he had this little like tape recorder and it would be like recording number one Hermione and then he'd do the voice and so when a character would come across and he'd be like oh shoot how do I say that again what is their inflection he would just go to his notes and be like oh okay so Herm is on recorder number four recording one and then he would just listen to like 5 Seconds of him talking as Hermione so he had his own little catalog of voices he didn't remember everything because there's just too much to remember Voice work is magical yeah it really is I think people who can do imitations and many of them I am Amazed by by all of

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you oh my gosh this is two girls one

Unpacking a haunted package

ghost oh my gosh two girls one ghost we are your ghostesses that is Karen I am Sabrina and this is a regular episode so it's a researched episode Sundays we've researched episodes Thursdays we have encounters that we share but I have been going through my house and trying to unpack slowly and I found a bag of stuff that we received in the PO Box in like September or October that just got misplaced in my move and so I unwrapped all of it you did an unboxing except for one package because as soon as I opened it it said please read this before you open this package there's a haunted object inside and so I immediately put it back in the envelope I will be shipping it to you Sabrina I have no idea what's inside I didn't read more I didn't want to touch it and then of course I had horrific paranormal

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nightmares last night and I don't know if it's because of the object being just in my house or because I am fearful of the object that is now sitting on my kitchen counter did you get a vibe from it before you saw the note of be careful before you open this no no okay I didn't wait I'm really excited and it was like

Haunting nightmares

I feel like it was wrapped in like I'm GNA butcher this and I'm not remembering everything correctly but I think it was like pink tissue paper like it it didn't it looked so unassuming and thank God I read it cuz I feel like all the other packages I was what were your nightmares well I had a few but the one that was most scary was someone had a really really haunted room and I can't even remember whose house it was but it was like this one specific room and it had been bothering everyone and it was like one of my family members and we were staying there at their house and they're like we don't know about what to do about this one room like we can't even access other rooms that you have to like walk through this haunted room to get to the other rooms and I was like I

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think I think I might be able to cleanse it for you and I like grabbed a bunch of crystals and like put them in my pocket and my uncle's pocket who was doing the cleansing with me and we walked around the room and we were just like saying out loud basically like that they were not welcome that this house is protected love and light L dah but it was terrifying like the lights wouldn't work in the house and it was all dark and we were going through and we were and there were so many like little closets and nooks and crannies and we were trying to do all and we felt like it maybe took us like 15 or 20 minutes and we were so so tired like totally drained of energy and then when we went back to return to the group in my dream cuz remember this is just a dream everyone was like what happened in there and we were like nothing it still feels a little bit heavy in there but like there's not as much Darkness we don't think and they were like well why did it take you 4 and 1/2 hours

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and we're like what are you talking about we were in there for 15 minutes and everyone was like no it's like 400 a.m. you lost time in your dream yeah my nightmare was about losing time in this like demonic dark haunted room trying to be the person to like cleanse it with all my tools I like that in your dream you're still the the one who cleanses well it was because I was amongst my family members so I was I was one of the ones and it wasn't like my immediate family it was my extended family so I was the one being pushed forward okay yeah we'll see what happens to you once you have it since you asked for it I'm actually really excited because I've only been given one other

Haunted cat item and strays

haunted object and it's the little cat perfumery bottle and we've had zero hauntings so yeah it's also kind of hard to know what hauntings you would have with that because it's supposed to be haunted by a cat and you have a cat so it's easy to blame cat activity on the cat that lives in your space with you

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that's true but the EMF reader didn't go off at all and it was like right near it when we were recording a couple days so I don't know maybe it stayed with the last person who owned it who gave it to you or Le is just like such a [ __ ] and was like I don't accept other cats in this home kicking you out you can go away the spirit of the cat is just like outside waiting to be let in constantly and it's like not today well there is this little like stray cat who I call moo because he looks like a cow and he comes by quite often and Leia's so interested in him he'll just like sit on my deck I truly like if I think if I left my door open he would come inside you should wait why not why can't you isn't this what is it called it's like the cat distribution well I think he has a home I think he's an outdoor cat oh okay so he's he's not a stray he's just an Explorer a little bit of an Explorer I don't know who he belongs to he doesn't have a color but

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he like Bops around between a couple of these like little apartments and houses here and he is very well fed well it doesn't mean he's not as stray that's true I should take him in because yeah I mean my friend Allison has that the neighborhood has a stray that she lives in in Marblehead yeah her parents neighborhood and Alabama had a stray that they all take care of I've heard of many many communal Strays is that yeah they appear wellfed and well- loved because they are cuz they have seven families not yeah that's true but this is just a final call to action not a final cuz I'll remind you again at some point but if you have haunted objects or come across haunted objects that you would like to send to us only positive hauntings nothing dark nothing malicious nothing evil nothing like oh my gosh I can't deal with these hauntings I'm going to send it to two girls one ghost instead and none of that no no no no making it very clear we'll give you Greg and Dana n contact if you have something like that and they can communicate with you about receiving that that object

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correct making it very clear I would

Opening the haunted pendulum

like to accept pleasantly haunted items please explain in detail what the hauntings are and you may send them to our PO box and like Karen said with this package disclaimer it put like in big block letters or something on top of it this object is haunted open with caution read letter prior to opening should I be brave and go get it and just read you what the letter is but not I'm not going to touch the object oh my God yes please please please please please please pleas okay I'll be right back okay I was wrong there's no pink tissue paper but there was a pink post it so the object is in this little felt bag and it says please read card before opening I promise this is not teeth okay let me glance at the card cuz I think as soon as I saw a haunted object I was like I'm out this was sent from Melinda it says Dear Karin and Sabrina in response to your request for haunted items I'm sending my okay wait I don't know how to say this word brici

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Jasper pendulum that has a trickster Spirit attached to it named Daniel oh okay this listener messaged us and I think is even on patreon and has commented about it on campfire stories oh really okay they purchased this uh pendulum from a metaphysical shop in Ohio originally after working with Daniel for a bit they learned that he was neither good nor bad but just a trickster with a sense of humor for example if they would ask him for help finding a pen he might lead them to a crayon which is technically a writing utensil but it's not exactly the same that's funny when he first arrives please be sure to cleanse him as you never know who has handled this letter on its journey to you when you communicate with him anytime you communicate with him always be sure to specify exactly who you want to speak with and state aloud no negativity is welcomed when finished make sure to

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thank him and say goodbye and close the communication and then there's some more information on here about how to interact with him wait this is going to be fun I'm so excited now you have a haunted pendulum cuz I have one that kind of chose me in the shop and I have no idea who's attached to it but they speak only the truth because I did not marry Nick jonis I did not win the lottery yet and other things of the sort and also I had asked the pendulum about I can't remember never mind I'm gonna butcher it it's gonna be wrong so I can't for the pendulum well when I receive this haunted pendulum I will take it for a little spin on the podcast for the first time okay I'll prepare myself we'll do a cleansing we'll do it I'll cleanse it and everything beforehand and I'll State my intentions and everything during it it will be great I'm so excited and it's trick like how fun this is one of those things

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where it's like you ask for the pendulum but the PO Box is near me so I'm the one that goes and receives them I have to touch them first and then I send them off to you I'm still fearful yeah I'm half brave but you're full Brave no I'm think I'm full crazy it could be that too yeah okay

Appalachian lore

well I have an interesting story for us and this is going to dive into a lot of history and a lot of lore regarding Native American cultures on the Eastern Seaboard okay but then it does get a little bit paranormal so deep within the Appalachian Mountains in North Carolina there are Whispers of a Lost Colony a settlement of people whose existence is now only remembered through stories and through Legends and through lore but who have been missing now for centuries and this is not the Lost Colony of Rowan Oak if

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anyone was thinking that but the Lost Colony of Rowan Oak did disappear just north of here this is different though oh this is interesting like I wonder if there's connections what if they all disappeared to the same other alterate reality well there's some theories that I think maybe we could draw some sort of parallels between Rowan Oak and this one for sure cuz one of the theories is kind of one of the theories that happened to roke this story is a little different because these people people are described to be a bit different because as the lore goes when the Cherokees moved to the southern Appalachian mountain range around year 1,100 they were surprised to encounter another group of people who already lived there only their encounters with these people were unlike their encounters with other fellow native tribes these people looked super strange they were much smaller they were very short they were just little tiny people and their hair was very blonde their skin was bright white Their Eyes Were

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piercing blue and their faces were described as being quite flat feels very like Fay almost like Lord of the Rings Fay although they're taller but yeah there's so many different things it's like [ __ ] even like I don't know the kind of flatter face makes me think of like goblins and aliens and sort of how like those things are depicted as it's like just slits for mouths and like no real defining features mhm so yeah these people were physically very different in appearance and not the typical looks of the people that this tribe the Cherokee were used to encountering nor did it match with any of the Native American groups really in the majority of the Appalachian range spooky okay their parents soon made sense to the Cherokee as they recognized a pattern with these strange people this group of small pale

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humans lived in caves and underground caverns and seemingly could not tolerate any daylight only existing in the caves during the day and coming out at night and because of this they were given the nickname the moon eyed people I mean it's interesting cuz there's that very very rare disease where people are allergic to the Sun and they cannot be in sunlight but in order for there to be an entire group and civilization of people who have this problem it does make you think like maybe it is an alien species totally and it could be like generations and generations of people who well it's like you know the small communities in the end everybody's related right like you trace it back like far enough people are related so like it it could be passed down but then also going to the theory of like our aliens us in the future and you know we don't tolerate the sun anymore because

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it's so it's so bright or like there's some sort of natural or man-made disaster where there's not much sun and we live underground and we're not you blah blah blah blah blah like it very well could be us relating to that theory and not to go too too uh H in the very beginning I know I'm so late to the game but I just started listening to high strange and so now I'm I'm fully in alien mode my gosh you better catch up I know there well I'm a little bit late to the game I'll talk about this at the end but I just started watching helier which is the new GRE Dana Series so I'm on like episode three of first season it is scary and also now knowing them when you see them be a little bit confused and scared at times you're like oh God yeah

Welsh explorer theory

that's what is happening okay so now we know that they're being referred to as the moon ey people but like who are these people how did they get there

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assuming that they weren't already from this area because they seem to have a lot of difficulties with the climate the amount of sun and really preferred to live in the caves they were almost like a nocturnal people and the way that you're explaining them it almost feels like the native tribes of this area are observing them are they interacting at all yes they do okay they do end up interacting so some people have questioned whether they could be some of the early explorers because in the 1400s there were many ships that left whales under the direction of a Welsh Prince that wanted to explore the new lands and open up options for people who were currently experiencing a Civil War and so this is not Napoleon was famously very small so that's true but are the Welsh people small I'm not sure they're certainly fair skinned but I feel like they might be but not that what we see today I'm not sure but I mean we know

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that that part of history is fact but what we don't know is really where they ended up if they ended up anywhere in this area of America that part's kind of lore mixed with history but some people have questioned whether they could be some of these early explorers because this Prince this Welsh Prince and his brother along with a few others they supposedly sailed across the ocean and made it to North America Landing somewhere around Mobile Alabama and similar to The Lost Colony of ronoke Prince mad I think I'm saying his name correctly mad madok he decided wow this is such a great place to stay why don't I go back and gather more people and we can go and journey back to where we just came from and establish this whole Colony right and so that's what he did he returned and had more people 10 different ships sent on this second voyage wow only for the 10 ships to become lost at sea all 10 never to be

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heard from again yes from what they know so it is assumed that these groups all died on the ocean and that their boats eventually just sank bearing any evidence of them or what happened to them but some people are like well could they have made it to land did some of these people survive and what about the small group of people that were already left in America but Mobile Alabama is so far from I mean it's not ter terbly far but it is far from North Carolina it is

Cherokee encounters

but like there's a lot of centuries and like time that people could move okay sure you know it's kind of like with Rowan Oak one of the theories of the Lost Colony of ran Oak is that they literally went and joined the Cowan tribe to survive right and that some of the reasons why there are some blue-eyed native people who are part of the croan descend because of yes that sort of thing so it it very well could be that but just a quick side note this part of

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history is really hard to decipher too because not only is some of it lore but some of the Articles discussed that these voyages were really hard fact so I was getting really confused with like what actually happened versus what part is the lore so I'm just going to say that all of that we're going to just say it's a theory okay so they were protected and not attacked by historians or anyone who knows more than we do listen once we get the time machine built ready to go we will take our research to the next level we'll go back be there live it come back here and tell you all about it just stay tuned it'll be 100% fact instead of just our 2% history question mark So regardless some people have said that these Moine people are the descendants of this original group of colonists okay that the battles that occurred between the moony people and the Cherokee people were really just the Welsh people fighting the Cherokee People and that

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the Welsh eventually were driven out by the Cherokee and moved a lot further south the small group which it's like how far south can you go at that point sure so this small group of foreigners that were supposedly Left Behind are said to maybe again like the Rono Colony have taken on bits of the Native American cultures and norms and perhaps eventually appeared a bit as some of the other tribes in the area just extremely pale so they present and interact and kind of survive in a way that's similar to what they've observed other people in the area doing but they themselves are still extremely pale it's very hot the Appalachian mountain range can be quite dangerous so perhaps they were just you know they were trying to acclimate but just not entirely so perhaps they took to hiding in the caves as a means of survival and protection are there theories that they still exist in the cave systems and only come out at night sort of yeah yes but that's kind of when once we lean more into the Paranormal

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side of the story so there's no real theory that this tribe exists today as people but if they are paranormal creatures then yes I've been in paranormal mode since like minute one

Moon-eyed people theories

so catch up it gets there okay so the problem with the theory that these could be Welsh descendants or Welsh people originally is that the timeline doesn't match up because the Cherokee predated the Voyages of the Welsh to this area so the moony people already existed there they certainly weren't the group of welshmen who were abandoned and left behind right so some scholars believe that this tribe could have already been here because the creek the shauni the senica Nations all have stories of the Moon ey people as well so well get attributed a lot to the Cherokee there's a bunch of different tribes and Native groups who've encountered Ed these people and so it seems like this was already an

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established group right yeah well Dr man a scholar of Sena suggested that they were descendants of the Adena culture which is the culture of various communities native communities in what we know is North America that existed from as early as a th000 BC up to as late as 200 ad and they would build Effigies burial and ceremonial systems and they could have been Avid astronomers which could be a reason for like their infatuation with the night sky and spending a lot of time so much time out there at night out at night but other people have suggested that the original Cherokee legend actually never mentioned anything about the skin color they just called them Moon eyed people so just a group of people who spent a lot of time out and about at night isn't it so interesting how that evolves like if someone spends a ton of time out at night and you don't really see them during the day as the story gets passed on through generations it's like oh and they were extremely pale meaning they couldn't even be in the sun which is why

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they were only there at night and it's also I mean it's just like another version of kind of whitewashing some of the history based on what is published and written LS and yeah stories because someone said that they believe the first time white was added as a description of this group of people's the moonite people's skin was when a white author Benjamin Smith Barton in 1797 published a fairy tale sort of thing about the moonite people and said that they were white or super pale H if this were the case it still could have been another tribe of living human people it doesn't mean that they're necessarily aliens but it has been suggested by a few Scholars that maybe this could have been a group of indigenous Americans that just had a lot of albanism in their group which would

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make them more sensitive to the Sun and it's also interesting because I feel like regardless in history a lot of groups of people who have been ostracized for the way they appear like I think of leper colonies as like the first example but I thought you about to say leprechaun I like oh wow we really are stuck in the Paranormal today but yes the leper I wonder if there's like some there was some Superstition based on the difference paleness of their skin and they formed their own colony yeah I mean that totally could be the case and it's also like the the Appalachian appalachin mountain range is so dense and the terrain is kind of difficult to Traverse and there are still groups that are so incredibly tucked away in these Deep Pockets of this mountain range that I feel like it could be be possible that this group of people could have existed in this like

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really secular type of living for a really long time encountering almost no one and kind of having that thing where like maybe it's not a bunch of people that found each other but it could just be where like after so many generations the of a small Colony it is a bit incestual I thought that's where you were going yeah don't [ __ ] your cousins and take your pills good person I don't remember what it is I think I'm

Lore vs reality

forgetting I'm remembering most of them I'll never forget don't [ __ ] your cousin don't worry but don't play with Ouija boards I might forget at one point in my life that's true it's not going to be a don't forget it's going to be a intentional breaking of the rule well I almost broke the rule I was not allowed to based on rules of a different place that we were in than their rule was don't play with fij boards which you guys will hear about in March which this episode comes out in March so just a couple weeks just wait okay so of course now we're going to delve into more of

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the Paranormal because with their these people their small stature their disdain of the sun people are like could they be vampires could they be aliens are they a crypted are they a human hybrid I didn't even think of vampires vampires yeah except well here's the thing it was said that a lot of these groups were and this is part of the lore too right where like if you ask certain people who are descendants of the tribes that lived in these areas at the time some of them will be like this is completely made up this is total lore none of this is fact and other ones will be like I hear stories that you know like my great great great grandfather wouldn't settle on this land because the moony people were said to be there and we were scared of them you know it's just different based on what sort of environment that you're in I guess and so it's again one of those confusing things where there's just I mean it's like any fairy tale any bit of floor things change over time

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especially when you start adding decades if not centuries because this is like centuries and centuries to the stories it becomes a game of telephone yes exactly it is also interesting this is another example of like how Cryptids and folklore is born and then it does become hard to really figure out and pinpoint where it came from what the origin is and what is the truth totally which is like I enjoy talking about these stories but at the same time I feel like instead of letting myself get lost in the story I feel like because other people are listening to this I feel like I have to constantly backtrack and be like just as a reminder we don't really know yeah yeah okay but now let's get lost in the sauce a little bit okay we'll get lost

Paranormal connections

in the sauce so in Cherokee beliefs there are other non-human and Supernatural groups of people who live amongst us and interact with our world whenever they please yet in the these stories told by the Cherokee these groups the moony people were not

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referred to in the same way as other Tales of supernatural beings it seemed as though these were living they didn't feel paranormal and that they were just some sort of nocturnal human or subset I guess of human some people have Associated the ancient stone structures found in the foothills of these mountains as evidence that there was once a great war and that the moony people were proof of these ancient people the sole survivors who descended into the darkness to survive oh Fort Mountain which borders North Carolina and Georgia has a 850t long stone wall that stretches across the top Ridge and the stones vary in height and I was looking at pictures of them and some of them like look very large like almost like Boulders put next to each other but the majority of them almost feel like smaller rocks and Pebbles just kind of like piled up up to create this sort of structure of

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protection perhaps and it is thought that this wall was constructed around year 400 or 500 and so if this were the case again this could indicate that there was some sort of protection needed maybe some sort of War fought where whoever was behind that wall was trying to protect themselves from whoever was trying to make their way up the mountain and up the ridge so this would predate the Cherokee People by half a millennia wow again it's like the dates don't match up it's like if it were the Dutch people that doesn't match the Cherokee version of it and then the Cherokee coming into this area doesn't match the structures that already existed there not to say that there weren't already groups of people there there definitely were but it's like who built them why did they build them who was here okay this is going to be a little bit of like a bear with me out there conceptualized Theory remember the email we read from Ken who was taken aboard a spacecraft of some kind and this doctor or this being

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was showing her around and basically she saw all these different types of creatures on the ship some she recognized some she did not and they basically said that when certain types of animals and species were going extinct they would try to bring them back on the ship and like rebreed them and then put them onto either the same planet or a different planet to repopulate that species yeah and oh it

Moon-eyed people wars

was what there was some sort of like fox or something that was being reintroduced the red fox yeah yes what if humans didn't originate on Earth what if humans originated on a different planet and we were going extinct and alien species brought us here to repopulate and the mooni people are more of the original aliens who were trying to watch how the repopulation was going do you think they just dropped us here or did they force us to breed with the like neanderthals

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and other types well given how much Neanderthal you have I don't know because yeah I'm given more Earth person than space person based on my DNA I come from caves what was it like that my Neanderthal had like less than 2% and yours was you had more Neanderthal than like than 66% of users but I love chicken so much me and the baby dinosaurs just trying to live it just reminds me just a very quick tangent Cassandra from National Park after dark Cassie she posted this meme that was a dinosaur like a T-Rex in the sky looking like in the cloud like looking down at a chicken on earth and the T-Rex is like remember who you are remember where you came from wait I kind of love that so much like how we have our ancestors as like Guardian Angels

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the chickens guardian angels are freaking T-Rex they have their ancestors the T-Rex don't let them bully you oh my God I love that so much okay so back to the moon on people of the Appalachia according to one variation of the Legends it's believed that this wall that exists on Fort Mountain could have been a remnant of a war fought between the moony people and the Creek Nation with the moony people losing the battle on the night of a full moon which could have been the reason for them being called the moony people because they lost on the night of a full moon again this is all speculation but still it goes into the Laura a little bit because it says that they lost on the night of the full moon because the reflection of the moon was so bright that it still blinded their eyes cuz they were very much a light sensitive and nocturnal group interesting yes some say the war

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didn't happen until years later and it was actually between the Cherokee and then the moony tribe but the belief is that the loss in the war is what drove these small pale humans underground to hide and survive so there's so many different variations of like why they're there where exactly they lived what they built who they came in contact with why they were named this when they were there when they were there yeah but in the end we're still basically left with there was a small group of people or people looking things creatures that existed in this mountain range some few hundred years ago or more that spent time only coming out at night otherwise they were living in the caves so that's the consistent thing throughout all of these different versions and then there's just different offshoots of what other people have added to it okay right

Effigy discovery

there's been a lot of scrutiny regarding this history because it involves native

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Legend colonization and a largely whitewashed Legend MH many people argue that the moony people to the Cherokee were not as we describe them today simply just another group of people or a representation of white settlers that they encountered the lore has been added to over time embellishing the story and turning it into one of paranormal nature however in 1841 an effigy believed to be of the Moon people was uncovered on some land near Raleigh North Carolina pulled out of the river and made of soap stone and talc and it is on display now at the Cherokee County Historical Museum and its appearance has once more opened up questions as to who these people could be um apologies for background noise here someone decided to lawn mow a parking lot now like trimming some imaginary grass on the concrete but here's a picture of the statues that were

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uncovered it reminds me of so many things that we learned about in art history and like the oh there's one specific one like the woman oh the pregnant woman yeah doesn't it kind of look like that it totally does it's interesting because it yeah if you look at all of the different things that you encounter in a museum you're like oh that reminds me of so many different man-made objects that we know exactly where they came from like what date generally they came from what group what area but this one we don't know exactly where it came from and that's again it just adds to the Paranormal lur cuz they're like well it also looks like aliens so people have asked were they a neighboring tribe preferring to work in the dark over the blinding hot days were they a group of Welsh people who eventually assimilated into native tribes a nocturnal cave dwelling human yet to be seen for the past few centuries or could they be something else a spirit the [ __ ] a group of alien beings now in many of

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the Legends most native groups were said to have been afraid of these moony people and was it because they were dangerous or just because they looked different the connection between the appearance of the moony people and

Goblins and aliens

goblins seen around the Appalachia has also raised an interesting Theory so back in episode 140 we discussed the Kentucky Hopkinsville goblins case of 1955 where there was this family who was besieged by a group of they were calling them goblins at the time but basically they saw like a UFO it landed in their field and it just kind of attacked their family and caused chaos and this set off a series of sightings and these goblins aliens were said to have kind of run off into the caves and taken protection in the caves and the different like abandoned Minds in the area I forgot about that story now I want to go back and listen to it right okay so I was looking into this and like relooking at all of the stuff with the

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Hopkinsville goblins and that's when I realized that the first season of helier Greg and data new kerk's show is connected to this basically so I watch I'm only three episodes in but in helier the first season it starts with Greg receiving an email to his old ghost hunting group that had since been dissolved but in 2012 he received an email to that email that was no longer really functioning from a man named David Christie who claimed that these humanoid creatures emerged from A Min shaft on his property in helier Kentucky and were terrorizing his family and after making contact with David Christie the man described the creatures they were small pale almost featureless so kind of like the flatter face that was described Voldemort I have a very flat face from my profile so so I'm like I feel like they're describing me a thin line where their mouths should be and

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they would stare Through the Windows and operate only at night the Christies which is I think a pseudoname their shed would be opened at night their kids toys would be stolen and then one day their daughter was like yeah I watch the kids without hair they play at night in the yard and so their family really feared this group of like small pale creatures that would come out at night in this area basically in the in the appalachin mountain range so David even backed it up with a bunch of photos of these really bizarre three-toed footprints that were left behind in the backyard and like around the creek bed in his property and they were about half the size of a human foot and they also had dermal ridges which in August of 2023 we did a three-part Bigfoot series episode and we talked about the importance of dermal ridges in the foot castings because it's really hard to fake and it definitely is something that that leans more to like an authentic footprint cuz

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it's almost like a fingerprint of the foot basically right and so all of these Footprints seemed very legit and they were largely found in like sediment from M shafts so like right along where these creatures from 50 years ago on the other side of Kentucky would hide so it's like again just using all of the caves and whatever sort of tunnel system already exists to hide out at night oh and so Greg and Dana they dive a lot deeper into the series and where I'm at in the series right now they're interviewing a bunch of people and there's plenty of people who talk about and even children who have stories of seeing these small pale creatures coming out of the M shafts and all of this stuff so now I went from being like Oh the moon people are definitely just a group of Native

Hopkinsville connection

people who were probably like much smaller in population not much is known about them maybe they assimilated into

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some of the other groups like whatever I went from thinking that to 100% being on the side that these were aliens it's how it happens in helier everyone should watch it they do talk about all of these sightings the synchronicities between David Christie's experience the Hopkinsville Goblin sightings and a plethora of firsthand accounts that they find along the way includ ining connections to The Moth Man prophecies which is so wild wait this is great because next week it's all about Moth Man prophecies oh [ __ ] okay I got to find a moth man email then to read at the end of that episode it's a good one okay I'm looking forward to it but to wrap this episode up all along the Appalachia these small creatures come out at night favoring the cave systems as their hiding place or home and instilling ing fear from the people who encounter them could these creatures be

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the moon-eyed People The Lost Colony of the Appalachia the Appalachian Mountains hold many secrets and for now the moon ey people remain one of them person Goblin alien we may never know yeah it's hard I don't know what I think they are I do like my theory referring to kin's email but it is interesting that people continue to experience entities similar to them and also just Appalachian appalachin however you want to call it the trails just in general and those mountain ranges have so many hauntings paranormal whether it's paranormal Supernatural cryptic whatever it is that I almost feel like if you were in that area and you were camping or whatever you may be doing would you know how to differentiate what you're encountering from the plethora of things that you could possibly encounter well it was interesting too because this was a very

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quick part of helier but they were talking about how these creatures what could also be the moon people that I just described but these Goblin like creatures or the creatures in heli or Kentucky that same description is found in so many different creatures all over the us but like especially on the

Creature similarities

Eastern Seaboard and so it was basically insinuating that these things could exist in a lot of different places but we just have different names for them it's kind of like Bigfoot right like there's so many different versions yahi the swamp monster yeah there's so so many so it's like this could very well just be the exact same crypted or alien or creature that we just don't understand and we're giving them different names because regionally we're experiencing things and we're just assuming it's happening in that one region but this makes me want like a David politus type of of map right where it's like it connects all of the creatures that have different names and

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we just have one list where it's like also known as this this this and we just give them like one name you know where it's like the fox and then you can see where the arctic fox is they're the red fox or whatever but because we've never actually been able to like fully stop look at analyze it is hard to know if they are of the same species or like you know how they are different like sub branches of like there's different like cat species yeah and dog also in helier too they were showing pictures that the guy David Christie and his pseudonym had sent them that he captured of these creatures like looking in his windows and it was really interesting because they both look like photos people have taken of alien-like creatures but then they also kind of looked cuz they were grainy enough and dark enough they also kind of looked like like the great horned owl or like a certain owl species from far

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enough away you know like with they're really big well because owls do have like the very flat faces and like wide eyes are they just giant owls but then that doesn't make sense either because it's like you know an owl especially if you're living in a certain geographical location like owls are all over there's no way that all of these native groups would be like what's an owl like it's a huge part of their sure their own belief system too so it's like in terms of relating it to what said to be part of Native American lore I don't think an owl would make sense but I think for modernday times for certain photos an owl make sense but it still doesn't make sense like what owls hang out and crawl out of cave systems and play with children's toys in the middle of the night on the grass and also s just like constantly peering into your window and like that engaged and curious about you as a human I don't yeah I don't buy that and I think as humans we try to make

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connections in order to like comprehend something so if you see a picture that you don't know what it is but it looks like an owl it is easier for us to be like well it's owl like that just human I don't know I think that there are these little alien creatures living in that area o I just got the chills thinking about going camping there and encountering one remember that when you

Listener experiences

had something had been calling you there oh my God I felt so strongly I was like I'm going to quit my job I'm going to convince my brother to quit his job and we're going to go on the appach and Trail together you know what you did the the safer option which is you quit your job and just talked about it yeah and then I now full-time podcaster it is weird though because it's like I still exist basically on a part of that trail like growing up in New England the mountain range is here like I have definitely

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spent time on the trail I just haven't slept over or been there at night you know it's very different going on like a two- mile hike MKE than actually being out there and investigating yes okay well this is an email from a listener who did investigate not the moon children which also moony is like a beautiful like I feel like that's a beautiful description like if someone said I had moon eyes I would be like okay romance Love Letter cuz it makes me think of the Moon yeah so I'm like oh full of wonder and luster and mystery and Intrigue and just yeah exactly I like that description okay this is from our listener Lany and it is called the pope lick monster made me realize I am sensitive to ghosts and spirits hey y'all I'll just jump right in the popick monster made me realize that I'm

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sensitive to ghosts and spirits you all speak about ghosts and spirits but I thought we should take a turn on how Cryptids can help haunt us as well now let me give you some background from a young age I've always had weird experiences and never knew how to explain them from dreams of things that would later happen just a few days later to extreme emotions to objects turning on turning off things moving and flying across the room and just odd interactions with people I just brushed it all off because when I was younger I would cry to my mom all about it and it was really hard for me my mom does ghost hunting on the side and a few times I would go along with her and I would always feel so flooded from emotions and after the event I would feel so drained but this past weekend a post colle graduation idea I went to another investigation with my mom and the group she goes ghost hunting with which are in my opinion kind of famous and have a show on Destination America wait cool I

Poope lick monster

want to know who me too so they decided

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since they were in Louisville Kentucky to go hunting for the answer to the pope lick monster part sheep part goat part man that resides on or near an active train track along with this many people have passed away from being hit by the passing train here's where it gets weird we had emfs k2s spe boxes and all the other sorts of things going I was holding the K2 meter which is a device that goes from green to dark red depending on how high the energy was everyone around me was asking questions and getting active responses I however was just silent looking at the K2 as it kept going back and forth from green to dark orange I started to feel very very strange and I started to feel very overwhelmed with sadness I began to sob I could hardly control my breathing and soon a train began to pass I begged my mom to bring over the psychic that was there with us that night after the train passed and I was talking with the psychic and I was able to get my breathing back and soon I began to talk

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to my mom and to the psychic she told me that I was sensitive along with being sensitive she said that I had a spirit with me describing her around my height like 55 with dark hair and who was close to my family my mom began to cry and I asked if she was just talking about my mom but my mom said no I know exactly who and when I asked she said my grandma who had passed away when I was young younger my grandma has apparently been by my side my whole life guiding me through all of this and trying to get me to be aware of the fact that I am sensitive I found out though that night from my own account that I can usually begin to feel the emotions of what other people are feeling the moment they pass so I don't know if that's real but that's the only way I can put it into words so I wonder if when the train was about to pass Laney was struck with like all the different emotions of people on that train yeah that is interesting or if people have passed there of course if there's spirits who have died tragically in that way right yeah like could it be

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residual or even is it like is it something that was just about to happen too you know is it almost like a premonition like is someone else about to pass soon in that area I hope not that's such a sad it's such because you can't do anything about it I know okay but actually that's kind of answers it so knowing all of this had actually made me realize a bunch of things from other experiences I had there was one time I was in a graveyard and I started getting sharp pains in my head and I realized that the grave that I was standing in front of was from a man who had been shot and died from being shot in his head oh God other times feeling like I can't breathe and then learning it was a spirit of someone who was suffocated to death or strangled I'm not necessarily sure where learning this information will take me but I hope I can use it to help individuals later on when I begin to follow this New Foundation see you on

Closing thoughts

the the other side and hopefully I'll meet you at your show in Nashville Laney and this was sent back in 2019 when we

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first did our show in Nashville wow oh gosh I just it's so interesting because it's like when people are more sensitive it is kind of confusing when it comes to what you're picking up on like are you picking up on the energies of people who have passed some sort of residual energy or is there just something in the air that is unexplainable and a little bit more like crypted and mystery and you're picking up on that feeling of like sadness and fear and just your body's reacting to being near something that could potentially be dangerous I don't know I'm curious now cuz since I was in 2019 where Lany is in their exploration and their journey of understanding these abilities I also love that they were it was a paranormal investigation a ghost ghostly paranormal investigation but with the determination to understand a crypted

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yes yeah which is helpful you know use all your resources yeah did you discover anything about the PO monster and also I'm curious now for Lany probably understanding a bit more about their feelings and what certain things mean within their own like intuition and magic abilities looking back and reflecting on this experience what Laney thinks she was feeling because we have what what Lany thought at the time yeah but now is there any like missing connections like oh [ __ ] when I feel that way it's actually because this is about to happen should I look and see if we have any updates from Lanie yeah it's kind of cool how many people have began their Journeys with the podcast or not even with it but have sent us emails from the beginning of their Journeys and that was years and years ago that now they are so much more advanced we don't have another email shoot but I will ask I will follow up okay all right

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