260. Bison Bone Butterworth and the Ghosts of Kells Pub

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Very spooky. Hi. Hello. Nice to see you again. one ghost. Two girls, one ghost. Live from Massachusetts. Live from your office. Where you were poked by a ghost yesterday. know what the heck happened. That was weird. I don't know. Or your lightning crotch moved to your arm. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm not going to blame it completely on ghosts cuz I'm experiencing weird things. Yes. Consistently. So, who knows what it is. But I, a few weeks ago, had said on Campfire Stories, when you were having tech issues,

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Well, tech issues, the power went out, and so you got like booted. Yeah. And so I told a story about how my dad's office is experiencing haunting, and then you're like, wait, what's happening? And I was like, oh, I'll tell you on one of the episodes. Hm. And then I forgot to tell you. Because we got caught up in your house hauntings and then my power outages. Yeah. So, what's happening? So, I I'm pretty sure it's the Rutland office because my dad has two offices that he works from for insurance, for Allstate. But he was sitting with one of his I feel like we should do an ad. Do you need protection for insurance? Go to Allstate. Phil Vien. You're in good hands. Phil Vien Allstate Agency. He called me the other day and he was like, I swear it was the Rutland one. He said that he and I think his employee, Britney, were sitting in Britney's office Mhm. and they were going over some stuff, and they're probably sitting like the distance of you and me, and right here in the middle of them, they hear a woman's voice say, "Hello." Loudly and clearly. So, my dad just

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stops. And he said that he couldn't like he knew kind of that they said hello, but he wasn't really sure like he was confused. So, he just looked over at Brittany and was like, "Did you hear something?" And she was like, "Oh, you mean the woman that just said hello?" And then they freak out and they go tell the office manager. And the office manager is like, "Oh, yeah. I have experiences here, too." And she has experienced a bunch and then she had a lot of knowledge of like locally Mhm. what had happened to the building before it became this Allstate agency. Apparently, when they were doing renovations and construction, all the construction workers were reporting a bunch of paranormal activity. do. Years and years ago, and it's never really stopped. Interesting. So, what is the history of it? long. I don't know. know? Because I'm curious. I mean, that feels like a very active haunting. Like a very on the main street. Joining into the conversation, "Hello, I'm here, too. Mhm. I would like to partake." "Hello." And then in my dad's other

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office, they were really suspicious that there was a ghost. And I was like, "Honestly, it kind of sounds like someone's breaking into the office at night." And then they finally figured out that it was Um a raccoon. No. No, there were people that were working in the building that were going in and taking things and moving things. So, that was solved. That one was solved. So, one office, humans are interfering. Another office, paranormal activity. Well, see, that's the thing is they were able to prove that the first one was humans. They cannot prove that this new one is Although, they were trying to scream paranormal right away, which is like Which is very us. I wonder where you got that from. I was the one that was like, "I think maybe you should put up a camera cuz it kind of sounds like someone's breaking into your office." Well, at least it wasn't a break-in. That's also good. No. I know, but I do wonder about this woman. Hello. And the fact that she hasn't like that was such a clear hello that they heard. And the fact that other people have

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experienced things and just maybe never said anything. But this was my dad's first time experiencing Yeah. something. He's had the office for 20 some years. That is weird. Yeah. I don't know how. Okay. You'll have to keep us updated. Yeah, I will.

Marblehead inspirations

Last night I could not sleep for the life of me. in the air. Something is in the air, but also I think it's a little bit of, you know, staying in a new place by yourself for the first couple of nights is always a little bit weird. Yeah. But there's the it's an old house in Marblehead and I was watching TV in bed and all of a sudden I hear creak. And it truly sounded like someone was walking on the floor above me. My god. And this is like a house. It's like I was the I'm the only one staying there. And so I I paused you're like is someone was someone in the attic or something and they're coming down. Exactly. Well, it's a bedroom upstairs right above. Yeah. So I paused my TV from my computer and I'm like just listening. And again I can like still hear it and it truly sounds

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like footsteps on an old rickety floorboard. Like truly these floorboards are the type that when you are up in the room and there's a light on downstairs you can see the light shine through the cracks. Yeah. Like that's how old it is. Oh. So then I'm like really trying to figure it out. You're in the historic part of Marblehead. Like you're staying in literally the oldest buildings, all of that. Next to the fort, next to the old cemeteries. Yes. Exactly. So I am trying to do everything to just figure out what it is. Like what's the reality here? It's got to be something. Maybe it's the heating system because even like the downstairs the floor kind of shakes because of the heater. But I'm like why would the upstairs be shaking? Why does it sound like someone's walking? And then I realized right outside my window there's like this old flag pole that I think the wind was like twisting it and it was it's attached to the wall. So, it makes it creak. But then anyway, I was like, "Okay, now I know what it is, so it won't scare me as much." But then, last time I was in Marblehead, I

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wrote and came up with the concept for an entire show, which I've been playing around with writing as a book. And so, I'm trying to fall asleep. I cannot fall asleep because this narrative is just like in my head that I literally I had to open my computer and write and start writing for 2 hours last night. Isn't it so wild? Because when you came up with the idea, it was after you were struggling for a really long time with writer's block. Yeah. And you got to Marblehead and like 20 minutes later, we're on a walk and you're you're just the next 45 minutes of our walk, you're like, "And then this character and then this person and we do this and blah blah blah." And like you were just Immediately. just immediately going through it. It's so weird that you come back and then it just sleep. comes out again. Also, so in a an

Ancestral connections

Encounters episode that comes out, I think it's in March, so a couple weeks after this episode comes out, we talk about Christie, who is one of our listeners who's been sending me all of this like these messages and this intuition and things that she's been getting from my spirit guides and my family. And she believes that I am a

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reincarnation of this man named Sam, who died alongside an ancestor of mine. And remember how you were saying, like, "What if I have some type of ancestral connection to Marblehead in Massachusetts?" Yeah. Did you look into it? Well, so she last night sent me this whole message and she was like, "I'm learning more a little bit more about your past life and guess where Sam, Samuel, was born." Salem, Massachusetts? He's from Maryland, but born in Massachusetts. Oh my god. And later moved to Los Angeles when he was an adult. And I haven't done any research on the specifics of who this man is and I haven't been able to find all of that, but I was like, that's interesting. Yeah. What if? It is weird cuz it just it makes me go back to when we talked to Ariel Willow Mhm. about Astrocartography and just like the how aligned where you are and what you're feeling and what you're like capable of doing has to do with like your birth chart, but then don't your birth charts kind of have to do with

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just like who you are and your souls and past lives and like just so many different things. It's so weird. It's so intertwined that every It's like everything is connected. Mhm. And it's like almost reminding me, too, of the couple times that I've had memories that weren't mine passing through an area I'd never been in and could completely remember it and it's like that's a path like I've been here, but not in this life? Not in this body. And And so you do have those memories and those feelings and you're like, oh, I remember when I did this and you're like, well, actually you didn't do that. Right. Someone else did. So maybe you do have fond memories of of this area? of Massachusetts, yeah. Who knows how long Sam was here I know. or if he ever returned. I know. Well, the other thing is, you know how they say that your memories are attached to like your senses Mhm. and smell being one of the most significant ones. Like I wonder if cuz I always wonder like why is it like certain things trigger memory from past lives, but it must be like sense oriented. Yeah. I don't know. It's so weird though because it's like I've talked about this

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maybe on the podcast before, but I've definitely told It's been almost 7 years. But like my my grandpa lived in Stonington, Connecticut Mhm. and I've only been on the train to and from New York from Boston like twice Mhm. and every single time when I'm like reading my book or on my computer that we pass Stonington, which I've never been to that town, every single time without a doubt, I look up and look out and go, "Wow, what is this place?" And I look it up on the map and it's Stonington. So it's like my grandpa's still alive Mhm. and I'm not smelling anything except for the inside of the train. You inherited it. I know I feel like, oh I have to examine this town as I'm going by. Who has the answers? It's so weird. It's so weird. Who are we? What are we? But it kind of makes as someone who tends to be very depressed and sad in life, that makes me appreciate life. Yeah. Well, there's a lot that we just don't understand.

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There's a lot that's super cool about. Yeah. Kind of cool. It is very cool. I feel like the things that I do understand end up making me more depressed than the things that I don't understand. Also, have you put some thought into the fact that all of these ideas are falling out in Marblehead? Uh-huh. Like do you think that I need to move here? I won't pressure you on on that. I did enough last time we recorded. But I'm just saying like you've talked about going to Europe for a few months. Do you think to write, I presume to write that story? I don't know which story. I wrote down a list of like seven ideas that I'm like, which one should I write? Well, maybe you should write them in a hat and this one I think I should write this one in Marblehead, yeah. where it comes out like it minimum effort compared to how you might feel writing it somewhere else. Definitely. Hm. Well, the one thing I know for certain is if I even if I don't move back to the East Coast, I will 100% be spending time in my life in Marblehead. Damn. It's so wild. Like

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Yeah. I brought you to Marblehead before you stayed in Marblehead. Yeah, you brought me to Marblehead before. Yeah. And then when you were coming into town, you were like, oh I'm I'm having writer's block. I want to work on things. I want to like have some time. And I was like, instead of going to Boston, I literally was like, why don't you go to Marblehead? Cuz you can walk around and it's cute. It's quaint. It's right on the water. There's adorable little shops. Like you can get so much inspiration. And you're like, okay. And then boom. And here I am. So weird. genius on the rise. It does make me wish we could go back and see how you felt the very first time cuz you've been once or twice before Yeah. spending the night there. Well, I think every time I've come out to visit you in Boston and the surrounding areas, I've loved it. But like you know, like I've never left this area and been like oh I never want to go back. I've always been like I have such a fond love and appreciation for this area. And also I was seeing you like I was having a great time. Like of course of course

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I left being like I love it here. it's hard too cuz like when we were going we're specifically going to walk around the cemetery so it's like things. If you did feel anything alive around the dead. You associate it with the excitement or just like being around the graves and not necessarily the location itself, right? But it is interesting. Mhm. Serendipitous. Thank goodness you wanted a week to just be out here. I know. And thank goodness I was like well, I know you're not going to want a car so here's a place to walk around. And look at us now. You can dedicate that book to me. Okay. I will actually. I will be rewarded for my suggestion. It is amazing. I mean I've told you this before but the amount of times you have as a person and as a brain inspired my own thoughts. Like my whole script that got me into the Warner Brothers Writers Program was inspired by an Uber ride. We were We were driving to a bar. I don't know if I should be proud of this cuz I know exactly where this is going. best. You should be proud of it cuz it got me to where I am in my life. Anyway,

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we're we're a serial killer off of me. Like what? THAT'S TRUE. SO WE'RE IN AN UBER DRIVING to a bar and I don't even know how we got into the conversation but we were like oh what would you do if someone came and broke into your home. So to be fair we were all talking about something disturbing. Yeah. And you said oh well I would be sitting there and in the dark and when they come into the living room I'd turn the light on and stare at them and say, "I've been waiting for you." and scare the [ __ ] out of them. And that one thought of yours spurned an entire story that got me into the Warner Brothers Writers Workshop. You're welcome. It's when you don't filter your thoughts. And let it all fly. And it works. God. This is You're my muse. I'm your muse. You're my muse. Like uh what's-her-face from Uncut Gems or for Uncut Gems? Julia Julia Fox?

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Julia Fox. god. You're my Julia Fox. Give me a second. I need to go change my eyeliner. on. Wow, big praise. Wow. Thanks. I'm really glad we figured that out.

Introducing Kell's Pub

Okay, are you ready for today's episode? Yes. Okay. For this episode, I would like to recommend to everyone a little thing a little something a little treat to all of you. Cool. If you are listening to this episode on evening maybe after work or if you work from home and you just feel like having a little bit of a drink beverage you know I highly recommend you grab a spirit because this is a haunting of a pub. Ooh. So grab that beer crack it open, go to your local pub, pop your headphones in, ask for what's on tap, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Wait, what's that? Okay, so for people that don't drink, what's that one drink that you were telling me when I wasn't Oh, um I like canned euphorics. There's

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a lot nowadays of uh non-alcoholic in the hot tub when we were at the Farmstead? Oh, that's the mocktail I make. Yeah, I love that. What is it again? Okay, it's just sparkling water and one of the Suja juices but it was like a um From Whole Foods or whatever. Whole Foods. Like a lemon cayenne ginger Yeah, that was delicious. Gives you a little a in the back of your throat. It's so good. And you can put like a little rosemary stem in there to make it look like a fresh cocktail, a slice of lemon. Smoke the rosemary. Yeah, ooh. But also Kin Eu Fourx is really good. There's also non-alcoholic beers. There's so many options. There's a whole non-alcoholic drink shop in Brentwood. Really? Boisson, which is French for drink. Boisson. I like that. Okay. So, when you think of an Irish pub, what do you think of? Guinness. Beer, Guinness, Kelt. Uh them blasting American Girl and all the American tourists belting their Yeah. lungs out. Exactly. Dublin. Well, you might also, after this

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episode, associate Irish pubs with dead bodies. My god. This is not in Ireland. This is in Seattle. Kells Pub is a staple Irish pub in downtown Seattle, and we even walked right past it when we were there. And we did. Remember when we were in that little alley with the gum wall and the ghost coffee? That yeah, that little coffee shop. The entrance is right there. No way. Yeah. It was a creepy little alley. It is. But this pub is right there. We were so close. so close. even know. It's located in Pike Place Market, and I'm going to real quick just rewrite history, okay? Okay. Bear with me. So, Karen and I were on the way one to do that. Just picture this. Imagine we were in that alleyway. It was It was a rainy day right before a show. We had been traveling. The rain was coming down hard. We needed to step inside for a

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moment. Yeah. And you didn't know you were pregnant. We chugged our coffee and we're like, let's get something a little stronger here. colder. Yeah. And we see this Irish pub, and we decide, let's go let's go grab a drink before the show. And we go in, and we look at the bar, and we see there's there's a couple seats open at the bar, but there's a man sitting at one of them and there's two empty seats next to him. So we decide, let's like grab those seats. So we go over and I'm like, "Hey, is anyone sitting here?" The man doesn't really look at us. He's he's you know, he like mumbles something. And we're like, "Okay, I see you." Yeah. He's got a nice hat on. No more ice in his whiskey glass. Just his own breath fogging it up. Exactly. But then we go, we sit down. I sit next to the man, you sit next to me. And we order a drink, a nice cold one. And we're just talking, having a good time. Then all of a sudden you stop talking and you look at me. And I'm like, what? That's a weird look. But then I realize you're not looking at me. You're looking

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just past me. Just behind me. So I slowly turn. And that man that was there, he's not there anymore. But we didn't feel him move. We didn't feel him leave. We both kind of look at each other and before we could say anything, the bartender goes, "You saw the ghost, didn't you?" I wish this was true. Well, I hope I painted the picture enough to believe that it happened. And if it didn't happen to us, cuz it didn't, it does happen to many people at Kells Pub in Seattle. This is the ghost of Charlie, who is one of the most commonly seen ghosts at Kells Pub. But is he kind of antisocial? He just doesn't want to be talked to. He Or in just our scenario, he's like our scenario. Enough of you two and your energy. He was really there for his own enjoyment, not for us. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We could be we could be a lot. We can be. As a lot of you who are listening might know. Those of you who skip through our banter

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in the beginning. Sorry. I'm not. A lot of you come for the ghosts, some of you come for the friendship. I come for the friendship. That's how it started, so. Yeah. Okay, so that didn't really happen to us, unfortunately, but in my mind and in my recreation it did. But this happens to a lot of people at Kells Pub because it is haunted AF. But we're like, you know, we like to ask the question, what could have caused the haunting? Well, here we are to tell you there are a lot of reasons that this building is so haunted. So we're going to take a trip through history. Okay. And this kind of goes, I realize as I'm writing it, it kind of goes all over the place because there's a lot of side stories that will bring us back to Kells Pub. Okay.

The Butterworth history

So Kells Irish Restaurant and Bar was founded in 1983 by the McAleese family, McAllis family, but it wasn't opened originally in this building. I couldn't figure out where it was, but according to their website it brings the traditions and culture of the Glens of Antrim to Seattle and offers a truly authentic Irish experience.

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It currently, where it is now, takes up residence in one of the oldest and most historic buildings in Seattle. It is called the Butterworth Building. Ooh, that sounds yummy. It does. But the Butterworth Building, when I looked up this building, this is the first article that popped up. Pike Place's Butterworth Building has pretty much been creepy since day one. Oh. So here begins our first tangent story. So the Butterworth Building, that's all of Pike Place Market now? No, it's just one specific building. Okay. Yeah. Here, I'll show you a picture. This is what it looked like back in the day. So it's just this building. Oh. Okay. It's not in Pike Place. It's across. It's like a building adjacent to. So that whole area is across. Yeah, over there. Mhm. Yeah. Yes, I like that. Okay, so the Butterworth Building, in order to tell you about that, I have to tell you about the man it was named after and built by. Edgar Ray Butterworth was a revolutionary. He was lovingly called E.R. Butterworth. He was

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born in 1847 in Newtown, Upper Falls, Massachusetts. Uh-huh. A masshole. And he from an early age was like determined to work really hard, to fight for his country, to fight for his family, and work really hard to make money for his family. When he was I think 15, the American Civil War was going on, and he tried to enlist, but because he was too young, he was turned away. Wow. So, instead, he became a hatter. And studied law. So, by 21, he was admitted into the Massachusetts bar. He married a woman named Grace Whipple, who very tragically 2 years later died during childbirth. Oh, gosh. Yeah. So, he was heartbroken, and he was like, "I need to start over." So, he moved to St. Louis, Missouri. So, the child died, too, then? No, I think the child lived. Okay. So, he now as a single father and widower moves to St. Louis, and returns to his work as a hatter again. Then he met and married a woman named

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Maria Gillespie, and moved to Kansas. This guy has had so many careers. So, he's a hatter, he's a lawyer, he goes back to a hatter, and then when he moves to Kansas, he becomes a cattleman. Okay. And in Kansas, there were so many plains and a lot of bison, Mhm. and there was this job that not many people wanted. Basically, it was hauling the bones of dead bison across the plains of Kansas to the railroad. And if you It was like you got paid $10 a ton of how much how many bones you would bring over. Yeah. And he was like, "I'll do that. That's good money." So, he went from basically giving himself lead poisoning Mhm. being a hatter, Yeah. to just like dragging bones, carcasses around. Yeah, he So, this is where his foray into the bone business began. There's a gateway drug for everyone. And It starts with teeth. It starts with teeth. full full bones.

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Starts with uh bison bones in this story. So, it was like a very necessary but grueling job. So, Edgar Ray Butterworth would haul bones of bison across the plains of Kansas. Mhm. And it was here on the desolate plains of Kansas that E.R. Butterworth went from bison bone Butterworth to human remains Butterworth. Also, I realized as I was writing this how much I love alliteration. Like, word play I think is my foreplay. Oh my god. I feel like there's a lot of it in all of your stories. Yeah. Like, you do write it a lot. Yeah, I cuz it turns me on. It's hot. Maybe you like poetry as well. Well, I'm terrible at writing poetry, but I think I just like the way like the way that this came naturally, bison bone Butterworth. The fact that it Triple B. Triple B. It named itself. You did nothing. I did nothing. The power of Butterworth, his spirit just came through you. Yeah. And oozed out some bison bone. Through my bones.

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Okay, so as the story goes, E.R. Butterworth is hauling bison bones across the plains of Kansas Mhm. when all of a sudden he comes across this man who is like gut-wrenching wailing, crying. Jeez. And so he stops his wagon, he stops his crew, and he did stop, you know. Some people would just be like, ignore, move on. Right. So, he goes to attend to this man and he finds out that this man is weeping over his deceased wife and newborn child because his wife and child died during childbirth. Oh my gosh. So, Butterworth, who can empathize and understand what this man is going through, stops everything he's doing and is like, how can I help this man? He decides to, out of his own wagon, fashion coffins. And he gives this stranger's wife and child a burial. Mhm. Out of the kindness of his heart.

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That's so sweet. I also did not think you were about to say wagon. I thought he was going to make coffins out of bone. And I was like, that's actually kind of sick. That would have been really sick. No, he was uh he disassembled his own wagon. I wonder if he still managed to get the bones back to the railroad. Anyway, he just did this act of kindness for a stranger and continues on with his life. So, he tried to stay in the cattle business, but something in his life just kept calling him back to the dead. And in 1881, he moved to Washington. He served as the city mayor of this town called Centralia. And the story of his coffin building followed him. I don't know necessarily how, but basically at a certain time, there was an epidemic that struck and he could no longer evade this calling. It was black diphtheria, which hit the region and there was a rise in mortality that no one could keep up with. So, people turned to Butterworth and they were like, "Help us build coffins for all the dead." That's It feels so random. It feels like there would have been someone else who

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who that was like their expertise. Their trade was building coffins. Yeah, why just one guy who built two coffins one time? I don't know. Maybe it's his calling. Jeez. And it And so Those must have been sick ass coffins if everyone if that reputation the most comfortable elite coffins you could ever ask for. Butterworth coffins. Sleep peacefully for eternity. So, it was at this point where he seemed to realize that beyond being able to offer like a kindness and a service to people, that the coffin business was actually a lucrative business. So, he undertook the undertaking. Nice. More wordplay from me. So, in 1892, he and the business really took off and he relocated with his family to Seattle and renamed the business E.R. Butterworth & Sons, where I believe five of his sons started working with him. Okay. Yeah. So, was Seattle like a site where people

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were dying of exceptional rate compared to the the rest of America? I mean, it was a big city. I don't think necessarily in compared to the rest of America, but the gold rush was happening and there was a lot of like violence in terms of shootouts and stuff, so people were dying in Seattle. There were a couple of epidemics. I think it was just like it was a big city, so Okay. he was in Washington, so close to that area and decided to centralize his business. All right, so he'd already kind of migrated out west. Yes, he had. Quite far. Yeah. In October of 1903, they moved the mortuary business to the custom-built Butterworth Block at 1921 First Avenue, the Butterworth Building. Dang. So, you might be wondering, how did we go from a cool Irish pub to the bison bones Butterworth? This is how. The first business to ever occupy the space that Kells Irish Pub now does was the Butterworth & Sons funeral business, a mortuary.

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It was the city's first custom-built mortuary and was built to accommodate all death-related services. So, from corpse retrieval to coffin making to funerals and morning processing, all of that. That's great. I mean, the last thing you want to do when you lose a loved one is have to figure out all the different Yeah. parts that you have to do. Just one-stop shop, full service. great. Yeah. And the building had uh the very first elevator on the West Coast of the US. Mhm. The whole West Coast? West Coast. Dang, Butterworth. And it was built by the same guy, I think his name is John Graham, who built the infamous Space Needle a couple years later. But, they built it as an optical illusion. So, from certain angles, it looks like it's only three stories, but it's actually five. Really? Yeah. Why? I don't know. Why not? It's fun. So, not only was it a modern revolution in the funeral business, but it was also beautiful. Like it was a beautiful building. It had ornate art glass, beautiful mahogany, brass and bronze

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hardware that was all custom made. Butterworth spared no expense and believed that the death business, despite its reputation, could be as beautiful as life. There was a 200-person chapel, a crematorium, a columbarium to store urns, a casket room, and so much more. This is um an original sketch of like the blueprint of the exterior of the Oh, beautiful. It's really pretty. It's such a like architecture. It used to be so wonderful. I know. Doesn't make you sad? Yeah. I'll never hate anything more than the '80s architecture, though. So, even today. Is that like the like very concrete Yes. Boston City Hall. Yeah. Yeah. Remember when I was like, if I become a billionaire, I'm knocking that [ __ ] down. First order of Brian really just told me it was voted the number four ugliest building in the world. It looks post-apocalyptic. It's so hideous. Like it makes me mad. don't look it up because it will make Yeah, you'll not You won't enjoy it. Okay, and also there's this like beautiful mosaic outside the front of

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the entrance to this that says undertaking. And we can put a picture in here, too. It's like handmade tile mosaic. Beautiful. Yeah. And I think it's still there. Oh. But so Wait, can I just interrupt and One of my favorite gifts I've ever received, my cousin Leenie, for our wedding, she It was like a wedding gift slash a housewarming gift. She found these Spanish tiles and like sourced these beautiful handmade Spanish tiles that say our address, like our whole street address, so that we can put it somewhere. Where are you going to put it? I don't know. That's so cool. know yet. Okay. so many options. Well, stay tuned. Well, you can't show everyone that, I guess. No, I I won't. me that. So, okay. It's believed that our pal Butterworth actually coined the terms mortuary and mortician. Which you're like, "Oh, where did those come from?" I know. Now I Now I want to know. He and his sons were early adopters of the embalming techniques, which have now become like the Western practice. And

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although they knew that this was a business, and ultimately the point of it was to make profit and make money, they believed that every person had a right to a funeral and a proper proper burial. So, every year they forgave thousands of dollars of debt. Wow. Yeah. That's incredible. And they would not seek retribution or like money from people who they knew could not pay for it. I mean, the whole thing started with him doing a selfless act. So, it makes sense that that would be a part of his whole business. Yeah. And what I love so much about this story is I think we hear so many tales of places that used to be a mortuary turned to whatever it is now, and there's so much like dark and negative energy. But I really It appears to me that the Butterworth family approached this business with so much love, so much compassion, and positivity that all of the hauntings, for the most part, are positive. That's good. Yeah. That's great. So, as I say that, all that being said, we're dealing with death.

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Yeah. So, we're also dealing with one of the most haunted buildings in Seattle, which means we have some stories to tell. So, there were all kinds of bodies entering and exiting the Butterworth Mortuary. Living, dead, those who died peacefully, those who did not. So, there were a couple of epidemics. There was the Spanish flu pandemic. There were a bunch of tragic illnesses. And then there was the Yukon Gold Rush, which made its way through Seattle. Which, apparently during this time, there were certain areas of the city that were extremely dangerous. And everyone knew like, "This is where the Gold Rush people are. Let's avoid it." Yes. And so, I'm imagining like the Wild West shootouts and like bodies just being left behind. Apparently, it was like that and it was to the point where like if you worked in the mortuary business, if you were an undertaker, you the city would pay you $50 to go retrieve bodies from these areas of the city. That feels like a lot of money. That for the time, which exactly is probably proving how dangerous that job is. Exactly. So, Butterworth and his family were the

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undertakers who did this. Wow. Yeah. I wonder if they had costumes, you know? Like what were their uniforms? They just put like spurs on real quick. Yeah, but like all black and then they have like a black leather Ooh. full face mask. Ooh, that's kind of cool. Someone else follows and just like whistles an ominous tune in the distance for them. Yeah. It's kind of like um what's the like British comedian who makes his own horse noises? James Acaster? No, why am I blanking? Oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. Who makes his own horse noises? Monty Python. Oh god. Monty Python. I never would have gotten that. Uh and that See, I know I wasn't explaining it right, but Monty Python and there's the one clip where they're approaching the castle and he has like his assistant like making horse noises. It's all fake, anyway. All of that for that. Okay. During the time of operation out of the Butterworth building,

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there was also a massive scandal in Seattle.

The starvation doctor scandal

Or also, I should say, a massive serial killer. No way. But a lady serial killer. Ah. Women who kill. Women who kill. And this is I had never heard this story and again, this is why I'm like another tangent side story, but it I couldn't just like tease you with a sentence about it. I had to go into the whole details. Right. So, this is the story of Linda Laura Hazard who owned and operated a sanitarium in or outside of Seattle called Wilderness Heights. And she's like the OG I can't say okay I was going to say the OG Jenny Craig but I feel like that puts a bad that's like calling Jenny Craig a serial killer. No okay she's like the OG fasting fad dietitian. Okay she was the first diet culture influencer. Turned serial killer. Yes. Okay. Okay. So Interesting interesting move. So From hating herself to killing others.

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Well is that Well this is the thing maybe this is maybe this does make sense. Wait a second. Well but okay so when I first was reading it I was like okay well maybe she had good intentions because she as a doctor basically was studying disease and how to cleanse the body of toxins and like bad cells. So she had this belief that fasting and living on a fasting diet could help rid the body of cancer and like psoriasis of the liver like a bunch of different diseases. Yeah. Which To some extent there is there is some science to that where like there's like the plant paradox diet with people who have autoimmune diseases like if you avoid certain things they should help you. But starving yourself is different than cleansing your body of toxins. Yeah it's a vicious cycle which I'll say something that's kind of sad. What? Right now I noticed that since being pregnant this is the first time in my life that I don't like ridicule my body at all that I'm like well if I need to eat and if I feel hunger pains I'm just going to do it cuz that's what my body

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needs. Well I hope you can take that into your life after pregnancy Karen. I know. That's beautiful. like well it's all for the baby so I need to start thinking of myself as baby after baby comes. Yeah. You are baby. crazy diets. I mean isn't it crazy that you are you are truly bringing a life into this world your body knows how to do that. And so your intuition your stomach saying like if you're hungry You have to listen to it. I can't not because I will pass out and vomit if I don't. So There you go. There you go. But I I get it. It's like I I feel so much hatred towards the diet culture, but it's cuz I'm a victim of it. We all are. Yeah. Yeah, it's shitty. There was a movie that I saw. Oh, it was the it was Iron Claw. The Zac Efron movie. And there's like Oh, about those like brother wrestlers or something. And like I really liked the movie. I couldn't even believe it was based on a true story. I was so shocked by that. It's like Foxcatcher or whatever. that one was that one was horrifying. Horrifying. But this So there's two women in that

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whole freaking movie. Which I know it's not about the women in the story, but there was a line that truly infuriated me because it just perpetuated every problem with society and the way that we treat women, and the way that we just ridicule women based on their bodies and make us feel like that's all that matters. Mhm. The mother of the boys, Zac Efron's character is getting married, and the mother has a line that's like "See how beautiful she looks when she just puts in a little effort." about the woman that Zac Efron marries. And I was like when I heard it, I was so shocked. But I was like "Okay, this is like in the middle of the movie. Maybe this comes back around." Mhm. There was literally no point in that line. It didn't do anything. It didn't share anything about the characters that we didn't already know. It didn't move story forward. It didn't come back around. It was truly just that for me it was like this is the problem with society. Because we continue to in movies and in entertainment allow things like that to be said. Yeah.

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It was unnecessary. It goes so much further than than that, too, because I remember I mean I worked in HR for a long time, and a good amount of that was we've been in a pandemic for a long time. Yeah. And when everyone was first starting to transition over to working remotely, there were comments made about the women's appearance on video just because people stopped wearing makeup, but hair was still done, professionally dressed, on time, like everything else. The same amount of effort put in to be presentable. And then there would be comments and it's like, "Okay, well, I'll start wearing mascara when the men start wearing mascara." Because this isn't a requirement of this job. But it's like one of those things where it's like, "God forbid you don't slap some pigment that's probably toxic." Probably giving you cirrhosis of the liver to begin with. And it does make me sad. And it makes me sad how subtle it has become. Because it still exists. Like despite everyone in society like or a lot of people in

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society trying to like combat it. Just a small like one line in a movie I know. can perpetuate it. I get so upset about the What's the What's the shot everyone's doing to lose weight right now? Ozempic. I almost said Paxlovid, which is like What what you take when you have COVID and they need to lessen your symptoms. It's not the same. Very debatable. But I get I got so upset when that was starting cuz I was like, "I thought we all lived through this and we were rejecting diet culture and like really try and then to see all of these millennials hop on it. I was like, "Wait, I thought we were the ones that were saying, 'No, we're not wearing low-rise jeans and we're not calling someone who's 115 lb fat on the cover of a magazine.'" Right. And I say all of this because I am trying so hard to combat my own negative self-thoughts that have been It's a It's such a toxic spiral. It's like society has put these negative thoughts in my brain and have truly made me feel this way about myself and made me judge people and made me judge myself

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and then despite me wanting so hard not to buy into it, you can't avoid it. No. Ugh. Anyway, back to serial killers. Okay, so our first enemy Our first enemy. Um Enemy of herself, too, I'm sure. Well, you'll find out. Okay, so at first I was like, well, maybe this woman had good intentions because there were a couple people who really swore by her practice and felt much better and healed after doing her cleanse, I guess you should call it. Yeah. But then I kept reading. And in an effort to not get into details or trigger anyone who might have an eating disorder or anything, she basically would put her patients on very strict diets to the point where they starved to death. Is this a woman who wanted everyone to eat the sun's rays? No. No, no, no. I guess that's more way more modern I feel like that's more okay. This is around like 1900, early 1900s. She would starve them to death and then to like on their deathbed she basically would have forged the signatures or forced them to sign over

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their possessions to her. So, she I think at some point shifted from healing people to realizing that there's more money actually in killing people. And in 1911, actually it was at least 15 of her patients died from starvation. Some of them weighed like 60 lb at death. That's how bad it was. Oh my god. There was one patient who had been found with a bullet wound in the head, which I mean, that's straight-up just murder. Yeah. So, in 1911 she was found guilty of manslaughter, sentenced 2 to 20, which is kind of a large span of years, of hard labor for killing at least 15 people for financial gain at the sanitarium she operated. During the trial, this is how we connect back to Butterworth's, the Butterworth's were accused of participating in helping perpetuate this scam because I guess one or two of the victims had been sent to the mortuary there and people were like pointing fingers at Butterworth's being like, you knew that this was a murder and you did something during the

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Oh, basically that they didn't report that the condition of the body was That and that they had done something to make the body look less emaciated for the funeral services. Mhm. But there was no evidence that they were actually connected to it. There was no like financial record that they were benefiting from this. I think they I also have no understanding of what embalming actually does, but I am curious if like them trying to embalm someone with the regular amount that they would insert into an an adult would look quite odd and different in someone who was not presenting as like a normal Well, then also like wait. I I mean, I have watched a couple episodes of Six Feet Under, so I know everything about the embalming process. They do a lot of in that show at least, they did a lot of like manipulating of the skin and the body to make the person look more presentable for funerals. Mhm. Like there was someone who died of a bullet wound and they like covered it up or something. And then also the bodies blow after death. I know it's different

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when you embalm them, but Anyway. feel like I've never seen an open casket where it like truly authentically looks like the person. It's so different. It's so different. Yeah. Anyway, there was no way to verify or there was no evidence to actually point fingers at the Butterworths. It was more of like a suspicion. But when you look at it from a paranormal aspect, it does make you wonder if like that type of victim being brought into that building, what kind of energy it would leave behind. Mhm. Body upon body entered this building. Think of so many various traumas that the people endured leading them to their death. Cowboy shootouts, epidemics, being starved to death, murder. Many of the bodies also during this time I think were unidentified. It's like early 1900s, a lot of people dying from flus, epidemics. Which brings us back to today. So, in 1923, the Butterworth and Sons funeral business relocated and the building was pretty much empty before Kells Irish Pub took residence. Okay, so as we

Hauntings at Kell's Pub

transition back to the Irish Pub and modern day, I want to leave you with one

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sweet fact and one justice fact. Okay. So, the Butterworth family, actually this business ran for decades to the point where it passed through family hands all the way down to Edgar's E.R. Butterworth great-great-grandson. I love that. Yeah. No one just sold it to have the money. they've had a couple of mergers and then I don't necessarily know what happened after that, but it stayed in the family for a really long time. Wow. And then as a piece of karmatic justice, I don't know if karmatic is a word, but It is now. Karmic justice. Karmic. Karmatic. Yeah, don't rely on me for any correction. These days there is nothing going on inside this mind. Guess how the serial killer, the starvation doctor, Linda Laura Hazard died. Well, initially I would say she died from malnutrition and starvation. You're right. She tried to do one of her own cleanses and she died. Wow. It's hard because I feel like the

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people like her and maybe I'm just thinking of certain people that ran like essentially cults. Usually they do die from the same thing cuz they end up convincing themselves of the thing that they're preaching. 100% I think she fully believed that what she was putting people through was a remedy. It's just wild. It's like after you see two one person, okay, maybe you're you're convincing yourself it's that person they had something else going on. Right. And it wasn't having to do with your own treatment, but like two people, three people, four people. Like 15. Even yourself as you start to drop weight, wouldn't you say, "Okay, well, I've already watched 15 people die?" Yeah. You would think. It's so Yeah, it's Yeah. What I do like about yourself. this story is kind of going off of your episode last week about how like sad these industries and like these like reformatory schools and sanitariums were, a lot of these doctors who were running them did not see any

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repercussion, but she did, which I appreciate. I am glad. Mhm. But okay, thousands of deceased and even more who mourned the deceased came in and out of this building. As you can imagine, the energy in the building is palpable. All of that mourning, all of that love, all that pain staining the walls, taking up residence in the form of residual and active paranormal happenings. There was a quote from this woman, I think her What's her name? Mercedes Caraba, who once ran ghost tours around Pike Place Market. I want to read it. She said, "This area is just kind of inarguably creepy." Yep. Straight to the point. Yeah. I couldn't find the exact date that Kells pub moved into the building, but the family that owns it has owned the building since 2005 and almost immediately began to experience hauntings. So Karen, who is the sister of the owner of the pub, was in the building on All Saints Day, November 1st, in 2005. And she saw She

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was like busy doing some things, like setting up, when she sees out of the corner of her eye a man walk in towards the bar. And she like looks up. She's like, "That's weird. There shouldn't be someone here." She looks up and sees this man's wearing a a suit jacket and notices his hands are very thin. Thin hands. And before she can like really say anything to him, he she sees the man walk to the end of the bar and then poof, disappear. She's like, "Huh." It's also strange like he must have been larger in stature for his slim hands to be such a noticeable So noticeable. Like he wasn't a slender man No. elsewhere. Right. Just his hands. Slender fingers, forget Slender Man. Salad fingers. Salad fingers. Rusty spoons. And so, the hauntings began. Over the years, staff and patrons have reported so many ghostly happenings, apparitions, objects moving on their own, eerie feelings, ghostly whispers. and the family who owns it, having spent

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so much time there, believes there are a bunch of different ghosts that come and go, but that there are a couple regulars. The entrance to Kells is in Post Alley, and the bar is technically in the basement, but over the years the business has expanded. They've now taken residence of like the whole building, so there's different banquet halls, there's restaurants, bars, and the bar itself, where it resides, is where the Butterworths kept hearses and horses for transportation of bodies, and right above the bar is where the embalming room was. Wow. Mhm. Patrick McLeish, who owns the bar, wasn't really sure what to think of all the strange things happening, and for a really long time was like, "I don't think I believe in the paranormal. I don't know. Doors open on their own. Sometimes I see a man sitting at the bar who isn't really there, but I don't think it's anything." the wind or an old building? Like, if you're seeing a man, you're seeing a man. That's paranormal activity. Right. I know. And he said, okay, so this is his story. So, this is Charlie, the ghost who sits at the bar, who we, in our rewriting of history, sat next

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to. Yes. We know Charlie. We know him. Good friends. He didn't like us, but we love him. Rejected. So, Patrick says he'll, on occasion, be working behind the bar, and it's like one of those bars that has a mirror, Mhm. like, you know, where all the liquor is. So, he There was one time where he turned and was grabbing a liquor bottle and was looking into the mirror and saw behind him at the bar a man in a derby hat, just smiling. And he turns, and there's no one there. I wonder if the Was the man looking at him, smiling? so. And it always happens in that exact spot. So, it's like Charlie has his seat at the bar. Yeah. And he was telling a story about There was one article where it was in an interview with Patrick, and he was telling this story about there was a couple that was at the bar, and this woman was sitting I couldn't tell if she was in Charlie's seat or the one next to Charlie's seat, but basically her husband was taking a photo of her. And he was looking at her straight on the

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mirror of the bar behind her. But they look back at the photo and his wife's looking at him the at the camera, but then there's this like profile of a man kind of like right here. Do we have the actual photo of it? find it. Damn it. I hate when these things happen. I know, but there is on this article there was a recreation of Charlie. And we'll put it in here. It is the funniest picture. Oh, wow. see him? Yeah. He's holding a Guinness. He's holding Yeah, of course. He's got a grand old smile with this little hat on. He looks jolly. He does. So, I wasn't able to find that photo. But there is a creepy photo. Mm. So, during a remodel, I'm not sure who took this photo, but there was a photo taken that shows a very, very creepy-looking thing. So, basically in the photo trying to look over your drinks and see what that is. All of your drinks. All of my drinks. My water and Celsius. Okay, so in the photo there is it's taken kind of near the area where

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Charlie's mirror is, but I don't think it's Charlie. It's like a door slightly cracked open and there is something is that? Right, or someone poking peeking through. Skellington. Right? Isn't it creepy? Ew. I don't like this. So, some people are like, I think it's Charlie. I know. I don't think it's Charlie. It's not Charlie. Because there's another ghost. This kind of looks like a kid. I was going to say like a maybe like a bison skull. Oh. Is this a skeleton? Interesting. What does kind of look like it's wearing a mask? eye socket. And then the rest feels like bone. I just imagine that it's like the way the picture was taken. It's not very clear because I feel like if you were to see if you look even closer like it's like the profile of a face where I feel like this is the nose, right? like Jason, you know, hockey mask. But I could also see it just being like a little kid. Oh. And I do think it's a little kid because there is another regular at the bar. Okay. And it's a child.

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And it's a child. It's a little girl in the red dress. And despite this being a 21 and up bar, actually during the day that it's open to kids, but this little girl is the most loyal patron. She loves the bar. She loves the bar. It's the forbidden place. Everyone wants to go. And she truly has been treated as a member of the team because of how often she is seen. She is very playful. She actually likes to prank people, and then during the hours of the restaurant operation, if there are kids there, she will try to play with the kids. And so a lot of kids will like report like the little girl like in the red dress wanting to play. Wow. She also manipulates things. I don't know what pranks she pulls, but there was a security guard in 2010. His name was Josiah. And he was working at Kelv. It was a busy weekend, and I think his he was sitting up like on the second floor doing like a standing guard of the door. Mhm. Basically making sure no one came upstairs. And it was getting ready for shift change when he heard the sound of

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footsteps running up the stairs, and he was like, "That's weird." So he walks over to the stairwell, and by the time he gets over there the the feet are now climbing up to the next set of stairs up to the third floor. He sees what appears to be a little girl. He sees these like black little ballet flats, white stockings, So cute. bottom of a red flowy dress. And she takes off up the steps. She's trying to play tag. Josiah, go play hide and seek with her. So he's like radioing to all of the other security because it's it's late at night, and this is now it's a 21 and up only. And he's like, "Does anyone have a kid here? Like did anyone stay for like lunch or dinner that ended up like not leaving?" And they're with the kids still there. know about the kid ghost at this time? So, I think he had heard, but didn't believe. So, it's just the last thing in his mind that he was actually seeing a spirit. Absolutely. Spirit. So, someone responds on the radio being like, "Negative. There are no children here." And so, Josiah is like, "Oh [ __ ] like some kid snuck in." So, he runs up the

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stairs and gets up to the third floor where it's pretty much empty except for like one doorway, which is locked. And it's dark. And he's like, "There's nowhere this little girl could have gone." And it dawns upon him as he's up there in the darkness of this third floor that he just saw a ghost. So, he runs back down the stairs and he's like, "Nope." Not dealing with that. Yeah. It's a lot of stairs to have to fly down. Yeah. stairs did he take at a time? That's my question. I think the average stairs per flight is 14 steps. So, do you think he took it in like three steps? so. He's a big guy, I think. Or do you think it was like one of those things where he gets so scared his brain doesn't process? He does the like Scooby Shaggy like run in place really slow. on each stair twice. Playing a little like piano on there. descent. I don't know. That story happened in 2010, and I think this article was written more recently, and he's like, "Oh man." Like he still remembers it very, very

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clearly. Yeah. like it's always the security guards who get the most scared. I know. Because they're alone. They're alone, and it's always dark. It's always dark. Yeah. But, it does seem like most of the spirits here are friendly, which is nice. And people believe, like I said earlier, that despite the original building having housed such a morbid and dark business, that the way that the Butterworths attended to and cared for the dead with so much love and compassion that they brought with it this positive, beautiful energy that helped usher the dead from this life into the next. That's really lovely. There was a saying that like I think the Butterworth Mortuary monopolized the death business in Seattle that almost every person who died in Seattle went past through those doors. Wow. Honestly, and this is a It sounds like the way that they operated and how their family went about treating other families who lost people, I'm glad that they did. Yeah, me too. It's a business that should have been dealing with mourning

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people. Exactly. Because we've heard horror stories. Right. Yeah, I do appreciate that this is a positive experience. And so now, with Kells Pub, there is a resurgence of this positivity and liveliness that apparently the ghosts love and like bask within because Oh. it's like people having fun and drinking beer and there's just like this positive energy to it. I mean, Charlie's smiling, the little girl's running around asking people to play with her. Yeah. There's nothing super creepy except for that one photo that you think is of the little kid, but I think It's a skeletal bison. It does have like a little like dear deity vibe to it, like a little kid. It's a little too smooth egghead. Yeah. So, there's all of the like typical hauntings, lights turning on and off, sounds, temperature shifts, eerie little like sounds, some people feel touched. And aside from this one encounter, which is is scary, most of the spirits are positive. There was one

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encounter where the owner's mother had like walked up the stairs or like was at the top of one set of stairs and was pushed. Nope. That's [ __ ] up. It's so [ __ ] up. push anyone and you don't push an old lady. No, you don't. But aside from that, most of the encounters are positive, like Charlie smiling, the little girl running, just temperature changes, nothing massive. In 2010, Ghost Adventures did visit the pub and apparently caught photos of a disfigured child, which could be the photo similar to the child in that photo I showed you. And on the show they caught sounds of footsteps and tortured whispers. But today Tortured whispers? Sounds way more extreme than just a jolly good time. Sure. But again, it was people dying. They're confused. They don't know what's happening. Right. The hard thing though is like I feel like it's so easy to be like, "Oh, people died here." But they they were already dead when they got there, you know? Yeah. Maybe it's confused. Well, how long do people follow their bodies for? know.

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You know? It's a good question. Some people might I mean a long time. Why are Why are certain grave sites haunted in cemeteries? Good question. Some people are attached their bodies. Yeah. So today Kells Irish Pub is a Seattle staple. They have embraced their haunted reputation. You can visit yourself, sit next to Charlie at the bar, stop in for a drink, or there are a lot of ghost tours like I'm pretty sure all of the Seattle ghost tours have Kells Pub as a stop on the on the tour. I can't believe we were so close. I know. No idea. But we were a stone's throw. We were in the vicinity. We were too distracted at chewing gum and adding our And then getting Ghost Alley coffee. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I chose a story from the UK because I just assumed your story was from the UK. I'm pretty sure I put Kells Pub, {comma} Seattle. Probably. I saw pub, I said UK. Okay. All right.

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UK, okay. Okay. Okay.

Peter the pervy ghost

This is called ghost story, Peter the dead pervy drunk. I'm down. Yes. We love a pervy ghost here at Two Girls One Ghost. Actually, pervy ghosts love us. That's true. That's more true. We have done nothing Well, to warrant what has happened. Sure. Peter Ghostessis and Sven. Question mark. It's like and Sven. What if what is Sven is the pervy ghost? Sven takes many forms. That's much true. Sven is many. Hi, I'm Sarah from the UK, the place with all the ghosties, and this is my first time writing you, and I doubt it'll be my last because I just have way too many stories. And the more that I listen to you guys, the more of my memories get triggered. Ooh, we're unlocking your triggering memories. I feel like that happens to to me still too. Like both of us. Yeah. It's like almost seven years of the podcast, and we'll be like, oh wait, that one time. something like that happen. I feel like more so for you. Because I have a horrible memory. Paranormal, yeah. Well, I feel like I my

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paranormal memory is stronger than like any other of my memories because I don't have like any memories, but I just have like my key paranormal encounters. You have you have a handful. Yeah. Yeah. I started listening to you after you guys were on Morbid. Now I'm hooked like everyone else, and I feel like you guys are my friends. And then I take my headphones out, and I'm like, oh wait, yeah, they don't know me. Now we do. I would describe myself as a sensitive but skeptical person. Like I'm wishing for a tangible logical reason so that I can say, oh thank god, this is just nothing. Yeah, we understand that. it. I grew up with a nurse for a mom who always worked in care homes. Palliative, am I saying that right? Palliative and hospice care? Yeah. So she had her share of experiences, but I don't think that she's as open to it as me. Probably because she didn't grow up with her mom coming home and telling her spooky stories. Maybe one day I'll write down some of her stories for you, too. What should I tell you? I could tell you about my encounter with Jack, a kid ghost from

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Edinburgh Vaults, which was where I really started to accept that I was sensitive. Or I could tell you about my last house, which I may have been possessed in. Sarah. But it's a dark story. It really scares the hell out of me. So today, I will tell you about a spirit whose house my sons and I currently rent. My home is in a tiny brick and terrace house, two up and two down in the center of town and was built around 1910 to 1920 as housing for a local brewery. That's so fun. that is fun. Also, how lucky for those people that they got housed, you know? Work at the brewery, we'll give you housing. you housing. Mhm. This terrace is solid. They built them different back in the day, I guess. If my neighbor can't hear my 4-year-old having a screaming tantrum, then I'm definitely not mistaking her for my ghost. Yep. We've been here for over a year now and this ghost has made themselves known. The encounters initially started as things being knocked over and thrown and I would blame my cat, a black cat,

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Mhm. called Ada, and eventually I started to realize that Ada would be somewhere else or she would be sat next to me. I should add that Ada rarely responds to anything ghostly, but she is technically blind, so I will give her a pass on the paranormal detection business. Ada is so cute. She has no idea. Yeah. Or maybe she just truly thinks you have another family member. Right. It's just normal for her. Yeah. We'll often hear footsteps running or walking between the two bedrooms, which as a single parent I notice because 70% of the time it's one of my sons running in to cuddle me in my bed. One time my friend was over and was pretty emotional and whilst she was crying, I started hearing footsteps. But then she's holding the cat and has a light bulb moment about the noise and says, "I thought you said the boys were with their dad." And I was like, "Oh, yeah, they are." And she's like, "Wow, you weren't joking about the ghost, were you?" On one morning we accidentally played hide and seek with our ghost.

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Accidentally? Accidentally. Oops. My oldest son, he's about six and he had run and jumped into my bed. Usually my younger son Wyatt will have already run in at that time, around 5:00 a.m., and then he goes back to sleep. But on this day, there was no Wyatt. So Aaron and I are talking and we're cuddling, and we're hearing footsteps. Aaron says, "Wyatt's coming. Hide." So, we dive under the covers, and we wait for his 4-year-old brother to find us. The boys love to hide when they know that someone's coming into the room. Whenever me and their dad would come and pick the boys up, they would always duck under something so that they can jump out at us. I feel like I still love to do that. Yeah. So, in this instance, it was pretty normal. However, we hid, and Wyatt did not find us. Nothing happened. Eventually, we peeked back out, and nothing. I went to go check on Wyatt, and he was completely knocked out in bed. Legs akimbo, mouth open, snoring away. I've been circling around the ghost as I'm writing, but now I'm really going to get into it. Okay. This guy is a cheeky little [ __ ]

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and he likes me. He doesn't interact too much with the boys, but they have obviously experienced him. Many times I felt his presence behind me like someone's standing really close. And once I was washing the dishes, and I felt this intensity, and then he whispered in my ear, "Hello there, lovely." You're being seduced. It's kind of hot. I imagine the like the breathy whisper, like sending shiveries down your his arm around her. Yeah, it's like romantic. He puts on the rubber gloves to wash the dishes. I was like, "Where are we going with the gloves? Is he murdering her?" No, now he's doing the dishes. That's not right. romance. Needless to say, I froze. And then I hunted through the house for a physical person or a window left open, but nothing. But I'd felt him behind me. I felt the breath of his words as he spoke or or flirted? I don't know. Imagine a drunk old guy in a pub. That's what it felt like. Oh, okay. Okay. So, not what we were thinking.

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like younger, attractive in a romance novel. Heath Ledger behind us. sex. This encounter made me start to acknowledge the ghost, and I would calmly say, "No, thank you." And tell him that if he meant us any harm, he was not welcome. And that if he behaved respectfully, then so would I. Then he can get in your pants. I started thinking about the ghost as this cheeky old drunk. I rarely spoke about the encounters whilst I was home because it doesn't really feel polite to talk about it in front of the ghost. Like I'm gossiping about someone to their face. Aw. However, my boyfriend didn't subscribe to this and he was on the phone with me one night quizzing me about this guy. During this call, I said, "Yeah, he seems like an old flirty drunk. They're just messing around." And it was then that I immediately knew that I was wrong. I felt guilty. I felt embarrassed. Like I called a fat girl pregnant. That happened to me once. I had the image in my head like it had

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downloaded to me of a young man with dark hair and what I would describe as his 20s in working-class clothes. And it felt like he was being like, "Excuse me? This is what I look like." So, he is hot. He is. I'm picturing like Cillian Murphy in Peaky Blinders. Oh, yeah. I don't know why I went to Damon Salvatore from The Vampire Diaries. He's real dark. So hot. And hundreds of years old. Millions and thousands of years old. But okay, so now we're we're dating like early humans. Prehistoric humans. Caveman. Millions of years old. He's a centipede. In current's episode of her own story, she mentioned knowing and this is exactly what I think it could apply to me. I'm not a medium because deep down I do have a lot of doubt, but maybe this is due to my own insecurity and my anxiety about what I experienced. Either way, crazy or knowing, I now

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believe {slash} know that this ghost is {slash} was a younger guy. I've got two more encounters with him to tell you about. After I broke up with my boyfriend, I was in bed one night having a good old cry. Both rooms have built-in wardrobes and the doors are pretty old and they're pretty heavy. They don't rattle. It takes a solid yank to move them, let alone a draft. Anyway, I'm crying and those wardrobe doors start rattling. And my first thought is that Ada the cat got herself stuck in there and she's trying to bang her way out. So, I go, I get up and I go to let her out, but she's not in there and I'm just looking at my shoes thinking thinking the [ __ ] I track her down and she is asleep with Aaron on the top bunk. I go back mildly creeped out, but telling myself that maybe something fell. I end up crying again later that night because I was having a real pity party as we all do after a breakup and again the wardrobe doors starts banging and rattling. So, I walk over and I can literally see them shaking like they're being kicked

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from the inside. I open the doors expecting Ada to just casually step out again like, "Oh, fancy seeing you here." But again, nothing and that cat is still asleep with Aaron. "Oh, no thank you." I say and then I go back into bed. I put the covers up to my face. If the point was to get me to stop crying, well, then it worked. Nothing like a real horror movie to stop a girl from crying. Lastly, I'd showered and I was lying naked on my bed doom scrolling. Home alone for a change. I know. As I'm lying there, I hear Aren't I? Or maybe you're predicting what's going to happen. And I'm here for it. The pervy ghost is actually you. Maybe. Hey, if I'm a ghost and you want some help, ask. Why not? Why not? dead. As I'm lying there, I feel a hand gently pressed to my shoulder and then slowly

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stroke across and down my back until it reached my bum where it gripped and then disappeared. Again, I say, "No, thank you." And then I get up and I get dressed so quickly and then I get into my bed. Nothing else happened, thank God, but that little [ __ ] he felt me up. I wanted to tell myself maybe it was a muscle spasm, but I really can't excuse the sensation of his hand squeezing my ass. Yeah. It was a confident and familiar touch. Familiar. some [ __ ] slapping you in the ass in public. It was like a partner who'd seen their partner naked. Oh. much as I didn't like it, I didn't feel threatened by it, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm just in denial. Recently, I thought, "I wonder what their name is." And a name came to my mind immediately. Peter? Peter. I don't know why, but if I want to lean into the knowing ability, then I'm just going to go with it. I'll call my ghost Peter. And bear in mind that I thought he was just this drunk. This house was housing for a

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brewery worker, which is something that I found out as I'm writing this because I googled it. And I'm literally sat there thinking, "Christ on a cracker, how how how how how?" And that's me done for the day. Hope this wasn't too long. I do have some happy ghost stories, not just all creepy, that all point to me being sensitive. Like my dog coming back to visit me to break me out of a panic attack. Aw. Dreaming about my nan visiting my mom only for my mom to wake up the next morning and immediately start going through her old possessions, things like that. See you on the other side, Sarah. Okay, well, Sarah, you owe us a lot of emails. I know. I do wonder if you could find out information about Peter because if you can find out that there were people living there working at the beer house, like I wonder if there's record of Peter. Cuz I do wonder if that was like a job where there were a lot of people that were cycled in and out or if there was just Yeah. of employees that were there for for time. time. Also, just so you know, Sarah, I'm sure you already thought about this, but Peter is watching you shower, watching

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Like that was not the first time Peter saw you naked, but it was the first time it was the first time Peter had an opportunity to touch you. Because got to say it, you were laying there naked. Yeah. On the bed. And he thinks you're pretty hot. He likes you. He's flirting. Which is why he was so upset when you pictured him as something other than what he was. He was like, "What do you mean? I thought we were kind of like having this rapport, having this flirtation back and forth. I hang out with your kids sometimes." I'm kind of picturing Ryan Gosling in The Notebook. Oh, yeah. That's a cutie. It is interesting though. Yeah, but I wonder if anything like that will happen again. Let us know, Sarah. I mean, he's like a full grown man. If you still live there and you would like a a roommate for the summer, hollah, I'll hang with Peter. Peter, Peter. [ __ ] eater? I was going to say that and then I was like, "Don't say it." But we we got there anyway. each other's sandwiches.

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Why are we referencing a children's movie after saying Isn't that from Step Brothers? No, it's it's a Anna and what's his face? Olaf? Hans. They're like singing a song. Oh, but that's also from Step Brothers. Of course that's your reference. sandwiches. That's what I was going to say. I think that's from Step Brothers though. Origi- like Is it? I could have sworn. The origin of we complete each other's sandwiches. The joke has been popular since 2005. Let's see. Oh, so maybe it is Step Brothers. Scary Movie 4, That '70s Show, Arrested Development. I don't remember it from Step Brothers, but I certainly remember it from Frozen. All right, well, it is also in Frozen, of course. Of course you're correct. What's in the It's in the musical number. course, the big big number. Uh but yeah, so it's been in a bunch of things. Wow. Of course your memory is cute little innocent child childhood Childhood. We were like 20 when it came

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out. children's movie I should say. Mine is more of like a One of our good friends that was obsessed with Frozen. So I think I probably saw it 20 times. had I spent the summer in Italy as an au pair when that had come out and I remember watching it in like every language with the girls. Oh really? And even cuz I always forget you were an au pair. It's so cool. It was like a small It was short. But they would watch it in Italian and then they'd watch it in English and they knew the words to it in English because they had watched it so many times. Yeah. Anyway, if you would like to share your ghost story with us, please email it to us at twogirlsoneghostpodcast@gmail.com. And if you would like a roommate in the UK this summer or if you want me to rent out your home in the UK, ideally if you have a ghost, that would be great. One that looks like Peter. A hot hot sexy ghost, please.

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But any ghost will do, mostly. two bedrooms, two baths, quaint, uh maybe a cat or two. I'm not asking for much. Yes. Potentially in a tower or somewhere in a castle or castle. Yeah. On the grounds at least, you know. Small asks. Yeah, very very small. But I mean the UK has a lot to to offer, so deliver, please. On a platter. Yes. You can support us in a variety of ways. One of the best ways to support us is to tell people about the podcast. Have two people listen and then you're officially nominated as the head of our pyramid scheme. Yeah, you can be promoted. Join us on Patreon. You can get episodes one week early and ad-free. On Patreon you get a bonus episode every month, you get campfire stories every Tuesday, and a whole bunch of other little presents and prizes. Mhm. Including a quarterly book club. Yes. Which is big. It's super fun. Yeah.

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