Time Slip in Haunted Appalachia | Glitches in the Matrix, Cryptids & True Haunting Encounters (x348)

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The reflection in the mirror was not me, but he looked scared like he was just as surprised to see me as I was to see him.

Glitch in the matrix. [music and singing] Yeah. Very spooky.

Hi.

Hi. What's up, everyone? Hey, what's up? Hello. This is Ladies and Tangents.

If you don't listen, that is how Ladies and Tangents opens their episodes.

Yes, this is Two Girls, One Ghost.

Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghostesses. That is Karin.

Hi, I'm Sabrina. And this is an encounters episode that we alluded to a couple episodes back

a couple encounters ago. I think it was during like the urban legends one. We were like, "Oh, stay tuned. We're doing

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a glitch in the matrix, time slips, interdimensional type of topic, and it is finally here. I know you've been waiting, holding on to your butts with so much excitement.

We just can't get anything else done in your life until we do this, right?

We're so sorry to have put you through that. But don't worry, your life can now resume cuz we're about to deliver

Oh, yeah.

some stories of glitches in the Matrix. And I feel like you should go first."

interdimensional grifters stole my $5

Okay. I have one that I thought was kind of cheeky. I liked it. It's called Interdimensional Grifters Stole My $5 or five euro.

Okay.

Can you not say dollars for the euro?

No, they're different. Different currency.

All right. Things you learn.

Mhm.

Dear ghostesses, one of my strangest things. Whoa.

Red leather. Yellow leather.

My ears were so clogged. That was crazy. I feel like I just got off of a plane.

Karen can now resume her life, too.

Yeah.

She can hear again.

Okay. Dear ghostes, one of the strangest things that has ever happened to me happened to me way back in the autumn of 93. I was a university student living in central London. And one bright October

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Sunday, my friend Ray decided to go for a drive. His girlfriend Cassie had never seen the white cliffs of Dover. So, we decided that that was as good a place to go as any. The trip out east of London on the A2 was a fairly decent one. The plague pits of Black Heath are nicel lookinging nowadays and typically covered in kite flying and wanderers. This is like reading gibberish. I have no idea.

But it does sound like reading a book where you're like, "Ooh, entering a new world."

Yeah, we're world building right now.

A bit further and you're zipping through the vaguely green rolling countryside of the commuter belt Kent. Even that makes a nice break after months in the heart of the city. Once you get off the M2 and back onto the A2 at Taversham, Taversham, it's even pleasant in places. At least it was in the '90s when the port was running smoothly and the traffic wasn't typically backed up for decades. We left the A2 between Whitefield and Dover or sorry, Whitfield and Dover. Followed the A258. This feels like the SNL skit, like

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you go on the far side to

it's the UK version of it. Um, we go south for a mile or so and then we turned east onto Upper Road. The National Trust footpath site at the Langden Cliffs is the best walking spot for getting to see the cliffs. It's located down a jumped up track off Upper Road. And so we dutifully turned right off of Upper Road, followed the NT signs along the lane, and after winding round a couple rustic hedges, the road widened out into effectively a traffic island with a prefab 1970s plankbuilt attendance hut in the center, painted National Trust green, and sitting on a chunky concrete foundation base. The inlane took you up to the window of the hut, and there was an automated wooden bar across the road to make sure that you stopped there. A very pleasant young woman sat in the hut selling tickets and other merchandise. I gave Ry the parking fee, £5, and received our parking ticket, a small green piece of paper with the National Trust logo on it,

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ripped off of a roll like an 80s cinema ticket.

Mhm.

She tore it in half before passing it over and we politely turned down the $10 or 10 god [clears throat] 10B book. [ __ ] 10 lb guide book.

Mhm. And then the six pound local area map and even the four for two pound postcards. God, I can never live in England. I can't speak. I can't read. I have no idea.

So, basically, they turned everything down, only paid the entrance fee.

Yes. They paid the5 M

to enter. When we got through, I felt cheated. Honestly, I had paid two pints worth for access to this long, skinny car park, barely paved with gravel and a big National Trust sign board and a sketch map with some facts. Well, honestly, you should be glad because you can spend five pounds and get two pints. That is unheard of in the United States. You pay 20 dollars for one beer. Like, [laughter]

basically,

you're stealing. You're getting away with highway robbery, getting two pints

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for that price.

But anyway, everything was overpriced, but Ray wasn't charging me for petrol, so I didn't whine. We had a nice walk along the cliffs. It was quite quiet, so we had a bit of like faux solitude. And Cassie claimed that she was pleased to actually have seen the place finally. And we debated or not if we could see hints of France because it wasn't a particularly clear day. And we watched people just scurrying around the port like little ants for a bit.

Sounds like a nice relaxing day.

I think it's worth the 5 lbs.

Absolutely. Ray naturally had to go and sit on the cliff's edge and dangle his feet over despite all of the warning signs saying to not do exactly that. Hooray.

But he managed to not plummet to a messy death.

That's good. We're happy about that.

The afternoon was wearing on and after an hour or so of fresh sea air, we decided to go find a coffee somewhere. We slept back to the car park and drove out. The National Trust Hut was gone. Completely gone. Like no prefab structure, no green painted wood anywhere in sight, no bar across the

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road, no young woman, a chair, shelves of cheaply printed materials, no concrete plinth, nothing. In fact, the road didn't even widen out. It just sat there like an old stretch of road. Barely two-lane tarmac snaking around a scrubbing thicket where the hut had been.

Wa. And as a final screw you, grasp was actually growing up through the tarmac in the center of the road. So we crashed to a halt and we exchanged baffled stairs. After about a minute, Cassie suggested that oh well maybe we came out a different way. That's what I would think.

There was quite literally no other way. It was small halfared car park stuck at the end of a small halfar lane. Still, we decided to double check. So, we drove all the way back to the road, all the way to the A258, then to the A2, then turned around and very carefully retraced our steps. Everything was the same all the way up

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until the National Trust signpost along the lane of the upper road. But once again, as we followed it, no widened road, no hut, no barriers, just a clear run straight up to the cruddy car park. So, we parked again. We walked down the lane. We walked to where the hut had been. It clearly had never existed. So then I grab out my wallet and I fish around and sure enough there was the ripped green national trust ticket that the attendant had given me.

Wait, you have a relic from another dimension. That is the coolest.

That is worth way more than£5.

I eventually lost the ticket. [laughter]

I lost it in an international move a decade later. And even I probably wouldn't believe this anymore if I hadn't been with two other people who both remember it. But writing this up until now properly almost 30 years later, I see that in 1999, they finally improved the car park and put a proper visitor center complete with benches, sun shades, a restaurant, and almost certainly serve some sort of warm caffeinated beverage. And yes, despite

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the lack of barriers stopping you at the ticket hut, they do charge for parking. And they charge 350. Phantom scammers stole my5. And 30 years later, you are still pissed.

You're still pissed.

It's like your kilo pie grudge all over.

So reverse inflation, too. They charged you way more before it even existed.

Well, maybe then you traveled forward in time.

Oh, maybe you did. It gets worse again.

Yeah.

And everything's decrepit. It's not the only time that I feel I've seemingly slipped into a parallel dimension with other people as independent witnesses. Fortunately, but this one is most immediately dramatic. Seeing that empty space, it was an absolute kick to the solar plexus. Anyway, thanks for the glorious podcast. All the best, Tim.

Damn, Tim. I love how you can hold a grudge. That I think that is my biggest takeaway from this entire story.

Hey, he Tim went in already thinking that he was being overcharged.

Yes. And then to learn that he was being overcharged purely by another dimension.

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Yeah. And you can't even go up and complain because the hut is gone [clears throat] and another hut won't exist for a few years. Well, and now I'm also so curious because they interacted with a human

at that booth.

Yeah, just some young woman.

So, what's her version of the story? Did that car just disappear and she's like, "What the heck? I literally just like gave them a ticket. What happened to that car?"

Or does she never notice?

Or did she?

She clock out for her shift, another person come in. They have no idea that there's [sighs]

the car count happening.

And they were also watching other people. So, I'm curious if the other people were like from another timeline.

I don't know. But, you know, it's not often that another dimension bleeds through and steals your five pounds

and that you got a ticket from it that you lost

that you still have it. Well, not anymore, but you did for a while. You did

in your wallet. Like, that is so cool.

This also took place at an outdoors like national park situation,

which I feel like a lot of glitch in the matrix. A lot of time slips do happen in

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these regions. Well, it's also like remote, too. Like I feel like it's a lot of like, oh, we're driving on the road and there was nothing except for this one diner on this 50 miles,

which a diner is also a big part of interdimensional.

The diners are huge in these.

The other dimensions love a diner.

Mhm.

And don't say that you should absolutely go to those diners, but they love them.

Yeah. And all the patrons of said diner love to stop and stare at you.

Ah, it's like from

I need to watch it, especially cuz so many people are comparing Widow's Bay to From now.

They're so different.

And I'm like, well, I like Widow's Bay. They're so different. I would say from is more like Lost.

I've never seen Lost,

but it's got like a way more paranormal element and

well, I think a lot of people are saying like the clues and how hard like to actually figure out what's going on in Widow's Bay.

Like you do have to pay attention and there's a lot of clues and a lot of like

timeline and like who exists.

Okay, you watch Dark From has dark vibes.

Okay. I never finished dark,

but if you liked the beginning of it, okay,

it's got that same vibe. Okay, speaking

listener story: glitch in Appalachia

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of things happening outdoors, I have a glitch in Appalachia.

Ah.

Ah, the sight of many glitches.

Fancy me finding an Appalachia story. [laughter] Hello, Ghoulies. My name is Christa. Please use my name. My daughter and I would be stoked to have my story shared. Hello, Christa and Christa's daughter. [laughter] We don't have your name.

And Christa Jr.

and Christa Jr., I absolutely love your podcast. And since I too am a spooky [ __ ] who is haunted, you have quickly become my favorite ladies to listen to. I was listening to your episode encounters 283 about time slips and dimensional shifts when I realized I have a similar experience last summer. Oh, we do have a daughter's name. My daughter Adriana was participating in a 3W week horse camp. It wasn't overnight and not closed, so I had the fun experience of driving back and forth on the windy roads of Western Virginia every day.

It's beautiful because you see the mountains everywhere. But one week on my drive home from morning drop off, I was on the usual two-lane road about to come up to one of the two roundabouts that

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are on my drive. I took the second exit as I always do. And as I was driving, I realized, huh, I'm not familiar with this area. I pulled over confused and assumed that maybe I took the wrong exit. So, as any 21st century person would do, I pulled out my phone and GPS and I was in a small town called Free Union that was half an hour away from where I originally was. But here's the weirdest thing. No time had passed by. Somehow I went 30 minutes from the roundabout to this tiny town in less than a matter of couple minutes.

I felt like I was losing my mind. But then I listen to your episode and I feel less crazy. And now I think it was a glitch or a time loop or Appalachia doing what it does messing with us.

It has never happened again since. It's just so weird like when the setting around you like it almost feels like you'd like something would be garbled or like you'd feel dizzy or like like trees would zoom past you for like a second but it's like how do you just

all of a sudden

magically like there's no evidence of the wrinkle happening.

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That's the I have another story very similar to this where it's like how do you go from one place to another that is miles and miles apart in a blink of an eye. No time has passed but the distance is so far.

Yeah. These ones are the ones that freak me out.

Yeah.

Because other ones when people are like, "Well, I was on Wy Road and I was driving for what felt like 20 minutes and four hours had passed." It's like foggy and they're driving. They don't really know where they disoriented.

You're like, "Okay, that's weird." Like a weird no [clears throat] time,

but suddenly you're somewhere else. Hello.

It's like the people who disappear in um national parks and like reappear miles and miles and miles away.

Well, that's cuz Bigfoot carried them. But yeah,

so crazy. And it's Appalachia. I'm glad that Chris's daughter wasn't with her because no need to disorient it to both people.

It's also like what's the purpose? Like is there a purpose or did you just like randomly get blipped somewhere?

It's because we are in a simulation.

There's a bug in

and there was a weird coding issue

and they forgot to connect the 30 miles

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between where you were and

someone accidentally clicked backspace.

Yeah. Whoopsie.

Oops. At least they didn't erase you.

Yeah. Oh, thank God. But some people do get erased.

I know. or removed from this timeline. I

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interdimensional wolf

Well, I have a story that's called interdimensional wolf.

Oh, okay.

Hello, ladies. My name is Renee. I listen to your podcast while working my 12-hour graveyard shift

and it helps me stay awake. I've debated whether or not to send this email over, but I figured what the heck.

What the heck?

If there's anywhere to tell my story, your podcast is definitely it.

Yes, I agree with that. Not sure how to start, but here we go. Okay, so this happened back when I was an early teen. My mom, two younger sisters, and I had been at my grandparents house helping them out. As usual, afterwards, everyone got to talking and we're talking about like spiritual stuff, and we wound up staying pretty late. My grandmother's

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side has always been spiritual and everyone on that side has gifts and plenty of stories.

My grandparents live out in the middle of nowhere, Alabama. We lived over an hour away and we took the backwood shortcut to get home that night. And we t

Oh, that's where you go wrong.

Yeah, we have taken this route many times throughout my entire life. So, there was no apprehension this night. This was just a normal drive back home for us until we get about halfway down this road. We all feel like there's something really strange. A weird vibration is the best way that I could possibly describe it. We all at the same time looked to the left side of the road. It seemed like it just appeared out of nowhere. This giant black wolf. A wolf is the closest animal that I can think of to describe this creature, but it was taller than the minivan that we were in. It ran across the road. It jumped up onto a very tall bluff. And the strangest part was the speed in which we saw this thing. For my mom and I who were in the front seats, it went super slow. We could literally see its

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muscles moving beneath its fur. It was so weird because we could tell that it was running, but it was like time for us had slowed down.

Everything was in slow motion, even the car. But for my two younger sisters in the back seat, time went by really fast. They could make out that there was some sort of unnaturally large black animal, but it was moving at some sort of super speed. See, I I hate these ones when people who are in the same space have their reality altered in different ways.

Oh, it's like you have no control. Like that's what's that's what's like most of the paranormal I think is the sense of having no control over like your experience or your destiny or your fate.

Like having that ripped away for a moment,

which is a good question.

Yeah. Do we? As it jumped onto the bluff, time started to go back to normal and my mom slammed on the brakes. We all sat there in silence for a couple minutes before my mom started to drive again. A few minutes later, my mom spoke up and said, "Did anyone else see that thing?" And all at once, we said, "Yes." We then started to describe what we saw.

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And that is when we realized how different it was for those in the front seat versus those in the back. And the conclusion that my mom came to was that this was some sort of interdimensional creature making a jump from one plane to another,

you know, as they do, and accidentally warp your whole reality.

Yeah. I guess it kind of makes sense with like time because if they're opening up some sort of like portal and there's a wrinkle in time, it's like

it sends like a wave out.

Yeah. How close in space you are to it? Like the front seat might be

But they're so It's not like Oh, they're It's not like they're a mile away from each other. They're literally in the same car.

I What is this creature? There's no answers to anything.

Good questions.

With the way that the time was different for us and the gigantic size of the creature, this wolf creature, the only thing that I can think of was this as well. Another thing I forgot to mention was the colors. There were colors that I had never seen before. It just like hung around this creature like a halo that it was almost in.

Wow.

My mom saw this as well. And I've tried to find mentions of something like this, but I cannot find anything anywhere. I hope you guys have some clue as to like

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legends or myths about this creature.

Or maybe there's a follower and they'll email in about it. But this has stuck with me for over half my life and I remember it all like it was yesterday. I have so many more stories of ghosts, other spirit creatures, poltergeists, UFOs, but this is the only story that I truly have no answer for. I love y'all. See you on the other side, Renee.

Well, Renee, we can't give you any more answers. We are not your helpful besties here. We are scared for you.

Yeah, but it Yeah.

Like what is

Unless you were projected in a car, but like it is weird. Like a giant creature. It feels like you weren't obviously supposed to be there.

No. No,

like it wasn't like it was running next to you and trying to intimidate you. It seems like it was kind of like what your mom said, like there was some sort of purpose. There was some sort of activity. There was some sort of like jump or leap that was happening in that moment.

You accidentally were there.

I agree with that.

But the color thing is weird. Like seeing colors that you've never seen before.

That also makes sense because we are so limited.

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Yeah.

And we know that for a fact. We know we can't see.

It's also just like a weird concept. Like I can't picture a color that I can't perceive because I have no idea what it would look like.

You don't know what you don't know.

You don't know what you don't know. So it's like that would be so trippy.

What I will say, what I love about our studio is I almost feel like there are so many colors in here that I feel like we're seeing colors them all.

We're we're giving you colors that you would never see otherwise. [laughter] And that we can deliver.

Delusion.

Delusion.

I keep thinking about that one story we read. I don't know when it was, but it was about someone who was abducted by aliens or believe they were,

but their bodies were like placed back in their home, but on the second floor, and the second floor was like under construction and they were in the midst of like nails sticking up and

I don't know how to find it, but

I feel like there's been a lot that we've read where people, not a lot, but like enough

Yeah. People are placed in the wrong car seat or in bed in like the wrong

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direction or the wrong beds.

Yeah.

Or they're like sideways in like their brother's bed and their brother's like

Yeah. No, this one was one where they were the second floor was under construction and I think it was like this them and their sibling woke up in the midst of the nails and they had to like getting out was super dangerous.

That's even scarier. That's like something wasn't trying to like I feel like most of the cases it's like oh the aliens were just like doing a sloppy job putting you back. this they were not doing their due diligence.

Meant to scare them.

there was a dude in my mirror once

Yeah. Okay. I have one from our listener Alexis and it was called There was a dude in my mirror once.

Hello, I'm Alexis. I'm a brand new listener. This was sent last summer. And even though I don't really believe in the paranormal, I like listening to people who do. Although after this experience, I'm like, how do you not believe?

It's always funny when someone's like, I'm not sure I believe. And it's like, but you're writing in

about your haunted experience

with a story and they're usually some of the most intense and scariest ones. But I understand not want like I guess the point of the paranormal is like we don't know like what is it?

And I'd rather I feel like there's so

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many people who would rather be like oh it's got to be something rational that I'm just I was tired or like whatever. And I feel like this is

maybe the paranormal is rational. We just don't know enough about it to have it be like a regular explanation for things.

Agreed. That's exactly what it is. Okay. Okay, Alexa says, "I'm honestly the kind of person who would be thrilled to see ghosts if they are in fact real, but I just yet to experience anything that couldn't be explained with just people cheaping out on building construction." I argue this story. I'm always open to weird experiences and hearing things that challenge what I believe. If I hear a strange noise in my house at night, I'm not running away. I'm walking toward it like, "Hello, you good?"

Oh my gosh. Brave or or the opposite of brave. A little too confident. I've never

What if there was an intruder?

Well, you scare them.

Yeah.

Fight them off.

Although, actually, I feel like you recently were like, "Oh, have you had any paranormal experiences?"

Mhm.

And I wouldn't call this paranormal cuz I don't know what it was, but like last night, I really needed to go to bed early cuz I was so tired, but I couldn't until Brian came up to bed at like 10:15 and he was like, "You're still awake?"

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And I was like, "Yeah, because I heard you come up and start to walk down the hall and like almost open the door like 30 minutes ago and then nothing happened." No more movement, no person coming in.

But I feel like your family has just like left a mark on this house, so you guys are haunting yourselves.

Yeah, maybe.

That's my positive spin on it.

Yeah. I didn't tell him all those details cuz he would have been scared. I just said, "I heard something and I got scared, so I decided to wait for you."

Yeah. Make it easier for him to fall asleep and then you switch. You were able to fall asleep peacefully and then he stayed awake all night. [laughter] Okay. Alexa says, "I've never had a full-on ghost encounter despite some friends who swear they've heard them, but I do have one story that came to mind when I listened to your Glitch in the Matrix episode." So, as some background, I've been living in the same house since my freshman year, and it was newly built by my stepdad in 2017. My room had a small oneperson bathroom just a couple steps from my bed. And throughout high school, I struggled a lot with insomnia. But by senior year, things were getting better. I had easier classes, more free time, and I was finally getting some real sleep. I also

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started reading before bed again fantasy romance stuff. So, as context, nothing scary or dark. This one night, I was feeling proud of myself for getting sleepy around 1 or 2 a.m., which was much earlier than my usual 4 or 5:00 a.m., and I was dozing off. I decided to go up and pee before knocking out completely. So, I walked a couple of steps to my bathroom, slid the door open, turned on the light, and at this point, I'm not even fully inside the bathroom, more like hovering half step in, half out. When I glance up and look in the mirror, I froze. I had to do a double take. There was a man in the reflection. The reflection in the mirror was not me at all. This guy looked like a real person. Taller than me, stocky, bald, with a ginger beard. He didn't say anything. He didn't move, but he looked scared. Like he was just as surprised to see me as I was to see him.

It genuinely felt like I had walked into someone else's bathroom by mistake. We just looked at each other, confused and startled. I truly just stared at him like it truly looked like he was in the middle of brushing his teeth or

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something or doing a nighttime routine. But again, I can only see him in the reflection of the mirror.

Oh my god,

he's not in the bathroom. I panicked. I turned the light off. I backed up two steps and I went back to my bed in shock. I sat there confused for a minute trying to figure out what the hell just happened. Was I dreaming? Was I hallucinating? I pinched myself. I tried to calm down. Then I decided to get back up and check. When I turned the bathroom light on again, the man was gone. But the mirror that was in the bathroom was not my mirror. It looked

like it was, but now it's not.

Yeah. Or maybe she was so takenback by the man's reflection, she wasn't noticing that the mirror was different, too.

The mirror itself changed.

It looked like it belonged in an old house from the 1950s. There were pink tiles going halfway up the walls, white paint above that, an old b Oh, so even the whole bathroom.

An old bathtub and shower combo, outdated fixtures, and a door in a different spot. Like everything about it was unfamiliar and aged. And I had never seen anything like it.

Did they trade places like Freaky Friday for a second? I was like, "What is this subway tile?" And

Right. I turned the light off again, got

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back in bed, and hid under the covers, frightened. I kept thinking, "There's no way this was real. It was a dream. Everything and anything that could possibly be logical." But I couldn't fall asleep. So, after a few minutes, I needed to go back to the bathroom to check. And this time, everything was back to normal. My bathroom mirror was my mirror again. My bathroom itself was mine again. But I was still freaked out. I ended up crouching while I peed to avoid looking in the mirror. you know, just in case the guy was still somehow out there. Anyway, if the man in the mirror hears this somehow, hi, hope you're doing all right. I'd like to know if you had any nightmares about me, cuz I certainly had some about you.

I mean, that's the thing. If this bathroom's from the ' 50s, it's not like, oh, I saw someone in early 1800s barb. Like, these people could both exist right now in this

in the same time

time each with a weird story and then realize it was each other.

Well, it's also weird cuz this is a brand new build of a house. It's like was there a house that stood here before and there's like a glitch in that way or is it just weird space-time continuum coding got mixed up?

I wish that locally people had, you know, like newspapers or like websites

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will do like misconnections or whatever.

Yeah.

And like people in the same town will be like, "Oh, were you wearing this like

pink polka dot sweater and ordering your Dunkin Donuts on this day or whatever."

I wish that there was something for this where it was like

it's our podcast. If the man in the mirror is listening right now,

but I want it to be like locals was easy.

We don't know that it's local. What if this guy is in freaking

Oh, yeah. You're right.

across the country.

I was thinking like, oh, it has to be like the same town.

No, it could be literally anywhere. Okay. Side story about something weird that happened while I was listening to your podcast the other morning. Okay. So, I usually play episodes while I'm getting ready and during my drive. The other day, I was blending out my makeup when out of nowhere, my smoke detector spoke. Not a chirp, not a beep. A deep male voice said, "Battery low." I froze because my smoke detectors have never talked. They usually just chirp annoyingly when the battery is low. And I've lived in this house for years. Never ever have I heard a voice come out of them. I thought maybe I was losing my mind until my parents walked in and said, "Did you hear that?" Naturally, I Googled the make a model and according

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to the manual and literally every site I could find, those detectors do not have a voice function. No recorded warnings, nothing, just chirps. So yeah, weird. I like to think that your podcast unlocks some secret firmware to make me check my fire alarms from Alexis.

Honestly, kind of a genius move if there's some sort of like guardian or is some protector who's like, "Okay, these alarms need to be checked cuz

something will happen if they're not to just pretend to be

battery low." [laughter] It's like you don't even ask Siri anything and then someone else's voice is like,

"Yeah,

time to leave now

for your appointment." [sighs]

Scary,

but also kind of cool. But also, what the hell?

The man thing is is I would be terrified of that if you walked into your bathroom late at night, 1 or 2 a.m.

I wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom ever again.

Ever [clears throat] again. Oh, Lisa, I like the pink tiled bathroom. That's very cute.

Mhm.

Yeah. You don't even have a mirror in your bathroom down here.

Well, that's that's a commitment issue. [laughter] That's because I haven't found a skinny

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one that I like.

Gotcha.

Cuz it's a really narrow.

It is narrow

space that I need for the mirror.

But after I ate my sandwich earlier, I wanted to go check if I have food in my teeth and I go can in there. Have one in the studio though. Don't worry.

Yeah.

But like upstairs, I don't check my I never look at myself in the mirror

cuz remember a couple years ago I looked at myself, but I was looking at myself and then saw myself look up. It was like just delayed enough that it freaked me out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, mirrors are definitely very creepy.

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interdimensional ghost plane story?

Okay, I have an interdimensional ghost plane story. Oh, hi ghosts and kitties. SP. Sorry, they said Sven.

I literally ceased to exist if you read this on the podcast. [laughter]

I will fang girl into oblivion.

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Oh,

it's like you're going into another like did you glitch right after sending this email?

Boop plop. Can't be perceived.

We hope you're still with us.

My name is Dakota and I am a longtime listener of the pod. I joined Patreon last year and holy best decision I have ever made. I am a believer in all things spooky.

Promotion for Patreon. Yeah, thanks.

Firstand testimony.

It's the best. Dakota said, "Best decision they've ever made."

Wow.

I'm a believer in all things spooky and always bring you two up in any spooky conversation that I have with people because the triangle scheme. Woo!

I've been meaning to send you to an email for years now. I have countless stories. Everything from Inception dreams to ghosties to premonitions and I will share those in the future. But I just finished your episode, Ghost Flight, Vanishing of Malaysia Airlines, Part One, and I realized I have a spooky plane story that never really made sense to me.

Okay, so to set the scene, I live in a smallish town, a farm town called

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Oxbridge, located in Ontario, Canada. I've been here for 33 years, moving three times with my parents, but always staying close to Axbridge. We were 45 minutes to an hour away from the downtown Toronto area, 45 minutes to Pearson International Airport. And now this one morning in the summer years ago, I woke up late for work. I was rushing out the door. I work for my mom as a dog groomer, so if I don't arrive there early, I'm late in her eyes. And this drive is supposed to be an hour and 10 minutes.

Okay.

As I'm rushing to my car, I notice that there is a plane in the sky. The sun shone off it so brightly it was blinding.

So I stood there for a minute just watching the plane and then something told me that I should be videoing. I always get these really weird gut feelings and I never listened to them.

That's a weird one. Yeah.

Like one of my strongest ones was when Bitcoin first came out. I had the strongest feeling that I should drop $50 into it. Anyway, I digress.

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And you didn't.

That's such a such a bummer.

I'll send more stories about that. [laughter] all your dodges with becoming a billionaire. Anyway, I get into my Jeep and I start heading up my long driveway to the main road. I'm still glancing at the plane and this is when I noticed that it seemed to have not moved from where it was when I first saw it minutes ago. So then I stopped the Jeep. I watch again for another minute and this thing is definitely not moving.

Just hovering there.

No jet fuel streaming behind it. The sun is still hitting it in the exact same spot. And might I add that because we're not super far from the airport, the plane was quite low. So I could count all of the windows, I could clearly see that it was an Air Canada plane. And so I drove onto the main road. I'm glancing at the plane, which I was now under, and it still was not moving.

That's weird cuz I do like understand sometimes just based on like where things are in the sky, like sometimes they look like they're not moving.

Yeah.

But if you stop and you watch it, then eventually you're like, "Okay, it is. I see." Yeah. But this is like a long

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period of time. Yeah.

We both live by the airport and like you don't look up and see a plane for many many minutes.

Yeah.

Especially when it's that close too. Like

you should only get to see it for a few seconds.

Agreed.

Okay. So then I lose it in the trees for a split second and then it was gone. I'm telling you, gone. I pulled over when I had a clear spot and view of the city line and it wasn't in the sky at all.

Obviously, I've told my friends and family about it. My theory is that maybe it was from another timeline. It jumped into ours and then back into the other I don't know like a portal. I'm not sure. But there's a TV show called Manifest where the plane lands 10 years later and the passengers haven't changed yet the world around them has. Maybe it was that. I wish I videoed it. I'll forever be kicking myself. But I am so glad that I got to witness something so strange.

Thank you too for all that you do, Dakota. Dakota, at this point you have enough evidence of like when your voice tells you to do something to now do it.

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Yeah.

Film, buy that Bitcoin.

You know, you know, you have so many examples where you didn't trust your intuition. You didn't trust your

little voice inside your head

saying just do it.

Just do just listen to me.

Listen to me.

Do whatever I say. Film the play. [laughter] Film it.

At least it's nice. And we just made it menacing cuz slowly then it turns to

upload it on Tik Tok. [laughter]

When ghosts start whispering my name in your sleep, allow me inside. Let them

possession.

Let them in.

Yeah. Well, um I don't know how to explain that. That's very strange.

Mhm.

glitched and ended up in a different state

All right. Well, I have a story called Glitched and Ended Up in a Different State.

Oh,

and is from my listener, Lily. Hi, Karen and Sabrina. My name is Lily. You have permission to use my name. I just listened to Your Encounters episode about glitches and time slips, and it moved me to tell my own story about my own creepy glitch I experienced while driving. For context, I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, which is the most southwestern part of the state. It borders Kentucky and Indiana. A few

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years ago, I got invited to attend a girls trip at a lakehouse near Columbus, Ohio, by a friend I was trying to reconcile with after a fallout. I knew most of the girls attending the trip, but wasn't close with anyone in particular. It was supposed to be three nights long, but by the second night, it was clear that I was not with a group of people I wanted to stay with, and I decided to leave early.

So, already leaving early after like bad vibes.

Yeah.

Columbus is exactly 2 hours northwest of Cincinnati, basically smack dab in the middle of Ohio. The lake we were at was a small lake in a very secluded area about 30 minutes outside of Columbus. When I decided I needed to leave and drive home, it was around 11:00 p.m. It was summer, so the weather was nice, but it was pitch black outside. And now I've driven to Columbus times, and it's essentially a straight shot from Cincinnati on a one highway the entire time. I got in my car to leave. I put in my address in Google Maps and called my now husband to keep me occupied on the drive home. Because of this, I wasn't

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really paying attention to the route. I was just following the directions because I wasn't really familiar with the area of this lake town that I was in. I just needed to get to the highway and then I would know my way home. My husband and I were yapping for quite a while and I don't remember how, but suddenly I found myself on a onelane road with absolutely no street lights and maybe a small house every mile or so. I remember saying to my husband, "I'm on a really creepy road right now and I really can't see anything at all."

So, I slowed down and I checked the address I had put in my maps and it was correct. Our home address in Cincinnati. I assume maybe there was a bad wreck on the highway and my maps was taking me some back roads way to beat traffic. So, I kept driving. It's midnight at this point, and I had been driving for an hour, but I still had not gotten on the highway. Finally, though, I see the on-ramp, and I tell my husband, "Oh my gosh, finally, I'm at the highway." But then, as I got closer to the on-ramp sign, I saw it was going north, but I needed to be driving south, and there were no other signs pointing me to the south ramp. Again, stupidly, I assume my map was rerouting me to be an accident

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or construction, which obviously this happens sometimes, and it often happens on this specific highway. So, I keep rationalizing it. I get on to the northbound ramp. I keep driving. Now, my husband and I share locations with each other, and by this point, I felt so confused and my gas tank was nearly on empty. So, I call my husband and I ask him to look at my location and tell me what city I'm near and if there are any gas stations near me. He checks my location and yells out, "Holy [ __ ] you're almost at Lake Erie." I'm like, "What? Where the hell is Lake Erie? Like, Michigan Lake Erie?" He says, "Yeah, you're heading to Michigan." At this point, I'm freaking out. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm almost out of gas.

And they like been on the phone with each other.

Yeah. I can't go back to the lakehouse. And now instead of being less than an hour from home like I should have been, I'm now 4 hours from home. I pulled off the highway immediately.

No way.

Quickly found the South Ram. I debated getting a hotel room for the night since it was now like 12:30 a.m. But my husband reminded me I was lost in a very rural area and for my safety, it probably wasn't a good idea. Not to mention, it was unlikely that I would even find a hotel nearby. And

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something's trying to take you up north. Like, no, go home. I was able to find a gas station. By the time my car had 7 miles to empty, I filled up. I grabbed a Red Bull, got on the highway going south to start my long journey home. To this day, I have absolutely no idea what was happening. It felt like I was driving through a parallel universe where I was on a onelane road in pitch blackness. I had checked my address in Google Maps while on that road and after I got home in case I searched the wrong address. But no, I put in my home address. If my husband hadn't checked my location, who knows where I would have driven to. I don't know what I would have encountered, but I do know that that entire trip had really bad energy and I never should have gone to begin with. But yeah, that's my story.

Weird.

I would love to hear your theories

cuz you're not just sitting in the car for 4 hours not knowing.

Yeah. She like had multiple moments where it was like this feels wrong.

Yeah.

But checked the address, checked maps, and had the correct address in.

This makes me wish she had like data on her travel.

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I know. where it was like, okay, between mile 32 and 33, it seems like your car traveled 700 miles in 1 minute to like get you the extra like what happened?

I don't know. Or

how do you get there

at this point? You encountered an alien object and it rerouted you and tried to disorient you. Yeah.

Or also [snorts] just there were bad vibes on this trip. And obviously we don't have the context of what happened on this trip, but like was it just negative energy following her that was trying to disorient her?

Dang. Thank goodness.

Again, this is like a creepy one where it's like you don't realize

Yeah.

what's happening

and what's the intention and what would have happened?

What does Lake Erie want with you?

Well, Lake Erie is haunted. I did a whole episode about it.

I have an idea.

Sure. Okay.

We just read a glowing review about how Patreon is amazing and the best thing ever. And

Dakota,

this is an episode where we would usually end it right now.

Yeah.

And we'd say, "See y'all [ __ ] later, except for unless you're on Patreon, you get an extra story. Should we gift all of our listeners the bonus story so that

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people can understand what they would get if they're on Patreon on a regular basis?

Sure. Okay.

A little treat.

We're so We're such good people.

Here's a little treat.

Here's a little treat.

Every other week you would get an extra story from an encounters and every month there's an entire fulllength bonus either episode or encounters on Patreon.

So there's a lot of extra content but this week we'll give it to everyone.

We'll give you a little treat, a little gift, a little taste. Should you want this every week or every other week, you can sign up on Patreon. And if you're an Only Phantom's tier, you would get the bonus story on Patreon. Yes. When you

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bigfoot of Hungary

Okay. And so this story is the misunderstood Bigfoot of Hungary.

Oh, you picked a good one.

Yeah. Wow.

Because Bigfoot is said to be an interdimensional being.

Absolutely.

So I was like, obviously I have to find a way to include a Bigfoot story.

And here we are.

And it's going to just be for Patreon, but now it gets to be for everyone.

You're welcome.

They start out and say, "The name

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Matroani would be very difficult for you to pronounce, so I'm going to translate it in a way that makes this easier to talk about." Is this their name?

No, this is the name of the

Oh, of the creature,

the Hungarian Bigfoot. [gasps]

Okay.

The translation that you may call it is the woodcutter, though this is not the original name.

Okay.

The legend of the wood cutter first surfaced in the 1980s among miners.

Oh, I love Later in the late '9s, a school group reported seeing it. And then in 2001, a group camping near Matronovac encountered it as well, alongside several other reports. Every account described the exact same figure, a 2 m tall being with long, slender limbs, its body covered in pale fur and its face faintly resembling that of an ape. Some claims to have seen it in the trees. Others believed it dwelled in caves and roams the forest at night. And there's a

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picture that we will include. Okay. So, very Bigfoot like,

but almost like Bigfoot meets Slender Man.

Yeah, it's a it's a very thin version of Bigfoot.

Big hands, too.

My name is Vicki and I'm from Hungary. Hungary is a relatively small country, yet it is filled with cryptids and folklore that has never truly faded from the modern mind. A thousand years ago, before we adopted Christianity back when we were new to find this land, a young nation among an older one, we followed very different belief systems. It was deeply rooted in nature, in rituals, and the profound significance of dreams and the dream world.

It was a world alive with wondrous beings.

But I feel like it's like Lord of the Rings.

It does kind of feel like that.

Like fairies,

the elves.

Though centuries have passed, a certain superstition and distrust of the unknown still lingers within us.

I think we live by an unspoken rule, something akin to maybe the Appalachin instinct. We ignore what's strange because understanding it can bring misfortune upon us. We lower our gaze.

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We turn away from the mystery and magic, fearing what might unleash upon our families. The creatures of our folklore are almost always described as terrifying. Like the garons, a ragged boy carrying a magical book whose visits bring misfortune, or the god, these pronunciations, I'm struggling. the Marco, which is a monstrous dog said to devour the sun or the moon, or the Leer, which appears in human or animal form. Visiting people at night and engaging in intimate relations that leave the victim gravely ill.

Why does that feel like the manangal?

Also, the sex with Fay on the eclipse.

Oh, yeah. You're right.

We're back to one of those. Or the Vasuru Baba, the iron-nosed crone who steals children away. So yeah, basically all to say we're afraid of everything.

I would be too.

It is no surprise then that most sightings, whether paranormal or crypted, remain local whispers, never becoming widespread news. They survive

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only as nervous murmurss, dismissive gestures. Because if we don't speak of it, it cannot harm us, right? And yet there is one creature whose story somehow escaped the confines of hushed homes. It could not remain buried beneath fear. Its legend spreads beyond the guarded borders of the quiet villages and it has reached our entire country. This is Hungary's own Bigfoot.

Wow.

Oh, and then they include a photo which we'll include.

It's a creepy photo.

Yeah. And it says the creature was cited from a moving car, though this picture, whether it's edited or true is highly debated.

It looks like Professor Lupin when he turns into a werewolf, doesn't it?

You're right. Yeah. like the coloring, the way and it also kind of looks like the Grinch stealing gifts. [laughter]

It does. Okay. So, Matra Novak is a secluded village hidden within dense forest in the northern part of the country. It's difficult to reach. It's surrounded by hills and mountains and yawning mines. The kind of place no one ever really hears about. But then in a

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crypted focused blog in 2011, someone wrote about it where the wood cutter was first named. Okay. And then they translate the post for us. So, I'm going to read that.

How generous. Thank you.

So, this was posted in 2011 and translated to English. Thank you to Vicki. It's been almost 5 years since I've heard from an acquaintance about a creature that lives in the forest. The forest is next to a village called Machan Novak in Nograd country. The creature is supposedly humanlike. It has long arms that reach down to its knees. It has been seen multiple times already, and kids are not allowed to go out into the forest. At first, I thought that this was just a rumor. I laughed it off. In December of 2010, I was reading a site about paranormal phenomena where people send in their own experiences and one post caught my eye written by a guy named Tibby. Tibby says, "About 2 years ago, there's a memorial like two streets above where we live. We used to go up there with friends and drink because the view was very nice and I clearly remember everything. We were up at the

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memorial. You should know that this is a private property and is only open from 6:00 a.m. in the morning to about 4:00 in the evening. So, we weren't exactly there legally.

Behind the memorial, there's a small path, and if you go along it, there's a smaller field. Before we even started drinking, the dog started barking really hard from the direction of the field. And I've never heard the dog bark like that.

Test your pets.

It was like the dogs were really scared.

I told Danny, "Let's check out what this is." So, we don't get into trouble because, you know, we are on private property.

Yeah. Go in the direction of what your dogs are terrified of.

So, we start down the path and that is when we reach the end of it. And in the middle of the field, we saw something that was not human. It was standing fully upright. Its arms were hanging down to its knees. Its build was also pretty strange. Like somehow it was way too thin. I know this sounds stupid, but it was very scary. And it was walking towards a tree. And the weird thing is is it knew we were there because it looked at us.

I just don't know how it knew we were there because we were really quiet.

Cuz it has super hearing.

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It looked at us, turned back, and then disappeared into the trees. Oh, we could smell you, too.

It didn't come out from behind the tree. We had stood there waiting for it to come out again. And so then we went back to the others. We talked it through there and we couldn't find any reasonable explanation for what had just happened.

It reminds me though of Bigfoot because a lot of people say like it uses the trees like goes behind the trees to go through the dimensions.

Yeah. And that sounds similar to what happened here

cuz just disappears.

It just like the footprints like when people get castings and stuff it'll be like boom boom boom. Nothing. Makes no sense. So, the original poster then writes, "Hearing the story surprised me quite a bit because this was very similar to the story that my acquaintance had told me." Then a few months later, I read on another website that someone saw a creature in April of 2011 and there were actually two cases which here are those. It was very close to this forest. I just don't want to write down where because nobody would believe me anyway. But besides me, about seven other people could have seen it. It was evening. We were camping near that forest and it kind of was a

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farewell party, but that's not important. Around 1:00 a.m., I was watching the fire when I heard something moving about 25 m to my right. I looked there and at the same time called my friend and a few others came out of the big tent with him. They also saw a very tall, longarmed creature that was moving along the edge of the trees.

Sometimes it was on all fours, sometimes it was just standing upright on two legs. I immediately grabbed the axe and I sent the girls back into the tent while lighting this thing up with a pretty strong flashlight. The creature went back into the forest, but then for about five more minutes, you could hear big branches breaking.

That's a long time.

Yeah.

And again, similar to Bigfoot.

Yes. And then the second case on this post, we were in the forest not far from the Russian barracks near Pel with a good friend of mine. And we were just walking when we saw something in the bushes. Imagine being behind a 2 m tall man. Imagine that it had longer arms reaching below its knees, standing with its back to you, and then it has a patchy white dirty fur. And two meters I looked up as six and a half feet for us

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non

meter folk

when we're not on the metric system.

Yeah.

When it crouched its knees went above its head.

E

its legs were that long. I saw a dome-shaped head and maybe its neck was leaning forward or something like that. I only saw the cone like shaped head or what I thought was its head. It didn't look back but it noticed and it jumped up. Not very high, maybe about half a meter and then it ran into the bushes. And of course we got scared too. So we ran in the opposite direction. We were very scared of it, but it did not hurt us.

It sounds like it was very scared of them too in that situation.

Yeah. So then the original poster said, "Okay, so this is very strange to me because now there are three cases that perfectly match the same creature's appearance with three witnesses and they all live kilometers apart. They don't know each other. They've never heard each other's stories. So could there be a crypted or just a well put together lie?" Now Vicki says, "Okay, so that was the article. I hope it sent a chill down your spine. Imagine its effect on the

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entire country. Stories like this began to surface. People opened up, sightings multiplied, and in the worst possible development, television. [laughter]

I mean, I understand why that story would want to be a TV show. A popular channel sent reporters to the village, interviewed locals about the entire phenomena, and basically their conclusion was the woodcutter was nothing more than an elderly limping villager with gray hair who'd worked as a lumberjack just being mistaken for a monster. But personally, I don't believe that there's a 70-year-old man wandering in the mountains in the middle of the night, chopping wood and frightening campers.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

A man? No. And if he could climb those hills with a limp, well, I'd very much like to know his secret. And in truth, the report served to only bury the stories and make people ridicule them.

Government government cover up.

Government cover up of the Hungarian Bigfoot. And I do understand why people would be hesitant to share these stories because I have a friend who has a story and people are not very open to her

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story. But here it goes. At least this is how I remember it.

My friend loved to walk at night. So much so that she would wander the countryside for hours along dirt roads and beside wheat fields. She had a headlamp and she recorded most of her walks on camera, though it mostly just showed her because she tended to talk a lot during them. One summer a few years ago, she spent some time at her parents house. The village was at the bottom of the mountains, not far from where this Hungarian Bigfoot has been seen. Her grandparents lived besides the forest, but the location did not stop her from setting out on her nightly explorations. On one of those many nights, she ventured into the dense forest beside the house. And though she never strayed from the worn path, knowing she would not find her way back otherwise, but she started to grow braver and braver, pushing deeper into the cool mountains and the valleys where the slow streams head. And one night she was already far inside, walking through a valley. It was very cold, and she had begun to head home when beneath the sound of her own footsteps came another set.

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That is horrifying. in.

My first thought is another human and that's terrifying.

Yes. Yeah. Like something's stalking you. Someone's there.

At first, she paid it no mind. She was used to quiet creatures of the forest at night. Small pebbles ground softly in a steady stream. So basically the sound of a human gate.

She was used to that. Great. [laughter]

Her headlamp illuminated the narrow bush choked pathway winding through the valley. But that other sound would not leave her alone. It was slow. It was steady. Just as her own. Nothing like crashing bores or quickly scurrying away smaller animals.

It's methodical.

Yeah. She heard it to her left where the valley rose steeply beside her. And from time to time she would glance up towards the hiking trail running above and her light would reveal only dense thorny undergrowth and the trees concealed everything beyond.

But she did not dare slow down, afraid of those footsteps following her. Something was following her. So she climbed upward out of the valley and she reached a sandy clearing. She stopped to catch her breath, though she kept

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glancing over her shoulder. Since reaching the clearing, she could no longer hear the heavy dragging steps. But the thought of them unsettled her. She studied herself. She decided she would run the rest of the way back home. So, she packed away her camera. She tightened the strap of her backpack, cast one la last glance into the dense darkness beside her, and she just set off. But she had barely taken a few steps when the creature appeared. Not behind her, but in the forest, stretching out before her. [gasps and sighs]

Oh my god. It was waiting for her to run.

She stopped dead in her tracks, completely frozen. Moonlight lit the edge of the clearing ahead where the trees began. And there it stood, peered [clears throat] out from behind a hunting stand, almost as tall as the structure itself, which was about 4 m high. This thing had long bluish white legs and it had the short hunched upper body with one elongated arm. It gripped the side of the stand and leaned out and

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looked at her. Its face was hard to make out. She said herself. Maybe fear just made her perception of it unreliable, but it seemed almost apeike, and it had twisted into this snarling angry expression. She was stopped no more than 7 m from it, so far too close. The creature then crouched, half hidden by the hunting stand, and then with a sudden motion, leapt up onto the roof. From there, it grasped a nearby tree and then vanished from her sight. If it made any sound, she didn't hear it. Her eardrums throbbed, the pounding of her own heartbeat. She felt dizzy. She felt like she couldn't move for several minutes. Her eyes remained fixed on the place where this humanlike figure had just disappeared from. And there and then she decided that the only way out was to convince her mind that none of what she saw was real. She had she has to be calm. So she began to hum. She began to move her arms and her legs watching the forest around her. And she kept this up until the very first light of dawn crept in. The sky became pale.

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The birds started to sing. And only then did she manage to believe that maybe she was safe. And that is when she just set off for home. Not wanting her grandparents to worry. She ran past the hunting stand, threw herself into the forest. She ran and ran, leaping over branches, dodging stones, when from a distance came an animalistic roar.

What?

Echoing through the air. It rose in the valley far behind her, and the birds suddenly fell silent.

No.

She ran faster.

This is horrifying.

By this time, she burst out of the forest into the first street of the village. Her face and her legs were covered in cuts and wounds. Her whole body was shaking, and she never ever spoke of it at home. For months, she didn't want to think about it. She says she remembers it as being a nightmare. And every day she tries to convince herself that it was only that. But the location, the description of the creature, gosh, it just matches far too well. So, what do you think?

Um, I have a question. Did your friend ever go on these long walks again? Because I would never go outside again.

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No. With love, Vicki. Also, when did your friend sleep? Cuz it sounds like she's always out in the middle of the night.

She's the crypted who lurks in the woods. She's the other set of footprints people here.

Wow.

It's like it was watching the whole time or at least just like the fact that like as soon as she takes off running, this thing roars

revealed itself and like showed it to her.

Yeah. Like both times. Like first it was like right next to her and then the second time it just like lets off a giant roar that silences the entire forest once more.

Okay. Well, a little cute thing that this reminds me of is Delfina is like very much learning all her animals and like the animal sounds. She loves a lion.

Oh. Does she roar?

And so we go, "What does a lion say?" And she goes, "Rar." [groaning]

I love when they do like the gruffy little the gruffy little sounds.

So cute. So I'm just picturing the Delelfy's little roar. [groaning]

Yeah. [laughter]

Very fierce.

Our our neighbor dog is like this tiny little terrier. So I don't even know where Noah's hearing this dog. But now when he does wolf, he goes like it's I

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can't even do it right now because of my voice. It's like this really dark grally like ruff. Like, [clears throat] which dog is doing that?

It's so funny.

It's so cute. That's the only roar I will accept. Or

dang, a Hungarian Bigfoot.

It seems to be seen by a lot of people in this area

and it's interdimensional. Wow.

Seems to be that way.

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and we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.