Penny Wittbrodt’s Journey Beyond Death | Life After the Astral Plane (Ep 217)

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very spooky we we would have just done our live show in Portland Maine and I'm with you it went well I'm sure it was great I think I'm with you at this very moment I'm predicting the future I can see it you and I are laughing we're having a really jolly good time see look we're laughing we're doing it now it's so it's so bizarre having to record something that we know comes out after we just did an exciting thing and we want to talk about it but it hasn't happened yet

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for for current self for future self it did yeah we'll talk about it next time maybe no because that's even before you're right we have to pre-record a few episodes because of this the travel okay we'll catch you guys in a few weeks we'll catch you on the flip side on the other side hi hey do you want to introduce us this is two girls one ghost and we are your ghostesses that is Corinne I am Sabrina I like that we both have the curtain bangs now like that might have grown out we're just twinning also I'm wrapping creeps and crimes love them these I'm serious their merch is the most comfortable you and I both pretty much live in them I'm only ordering oversized sweatshirts from here on out because I think we both bought sizes that are are probably like three to four sizes larger than what we would normally opt for I can't not wear it I don't even want to wear any nailer stuff I just want to

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swim it's basically a snuggie it is oh my God it's really we're wearing sweatshirt dresses did you ever have a snuggie yeah and actually I have um sorry my ear is itchy I have I'm sorry gross I hate ears anywho they're like little mushrooms that grow on the side of your head but it would be better than just having a hole in the side of your head that's true like a bird maybe we could have some feathers that cover them up like words have you ever seen a bird ear it's literally just a hole it's freaky what did you ask me um Snuggie did you ever oh no no but I have a something you just said yes oh yes [Laughter] okay I used to have a snuggie I had a Snuggie as a child like as a teen and then now I don't have a snuggie but I have a comfy

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Campfire Stories

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Ghost Story

yesterday on campfire stories I mentioned that I had collected a ghost story from someone and I had very few details but I'll tell you a couple more details about who this person is because it ties into some news that I have some good news do you have news so basically I was at a house and a realtor

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told me that she had listened to my podcast because my realtor had told her about my podcast because they worked together I was like what the heck I told my realtor I'm like are you telling people and she's like yeah don't you need new listeners don't you need more people here like I was like I mean yes but I'm like slightly embarrassed but now we're like realtor gossip like oh I represent the weird ghost girl [Laughter] you're perfect as you are I'm fun you're unique but point being is this woman I was like oh do you do you believe in that stuff or or do you find Ghost Stories fun because she said that she had listened to an episode and then she said yes and that her I'm pretty sure it was either her brother or brother-in-law I think it was her brother had a haunted house and had lived in a haunted house before and I was like oh what happened

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and she was like well there were like these two little boys and they would run around in the attic and then they would you know like run downstairs and and do things and they never saw the boys but they knew it was like two little kids and I was like oh that's interesting like what sort of things would they do because I was thinking like oh dude you know my activate a toy or like play some little prank or whatever yeah let me tell you I really would put money on it not being little boys in that house well tell the chair thing that's what I was gonna say apparently like huge energy in action would happen in this house so they would come downstairs and there would be chairs like their dining room chairs would be up placed on top of the table nope nope that's not a little kid ghost if it is that's the strongest little kid energy I've ever heard of or it's like a little kid who has seen a lot of horror movies and is just trying to replicate it I don't know true but they also said oh this is

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another part that I forgot that they would come in and all the cabinets would just be open and then they'd like walk in and the cabinets would go and open oh they would open when they walked in I think so okay that's I might be mixing this up with like another ghost story that I recently heard I don't know there was a lot that happened in the past three days of my life either way that house is extremely haunted and your news please so I met the realtor because I bought a house Karen you are having a year you bought a house you went full-time podcaster you're getting married yeah you are I know everything all at once thriving yes congratulations thank you it was built for a year we had some failed uh what do I think it offers rejected offers but it's one of those things where when people are like oh well just wait until you get the house that that you end up with like you'll be happy

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those other offers were rejected and I'm very much feeling that right now I'm super excited

Pennys New Home

and you yesterday you told me that you believe I've always said I think you're really good at manifesting and yesterday you told me that you finally believe it I do because there are some features in this house where all the fights I either really yeah there's fireplace in the kitchen which is mine in the kitchen I know but it was like stuff like that like random things I would say in passing like oh like I love wall paneling I built in a lot of yeah I love built-ins you know like stuff like that and even just like when you and I were talking about a fireplace and you were like God I want a fireplace in my kitchen I was like that is a great idea fireplaces in the kitchen are like really cool like that seems like such an old old historic home thing yeah I would love to live in an old historic home with a fireplace in the kitchen and it's just like all those little random things that I either thought would be nice or like really was

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consuming me at every open house like I need this I love this you're gonna have a podcast recording office yes yes I get to use one of the rooms for podcasting I'm so excited to see the room with the built-ins yes so I think that is amazing the build-ins are behind me so I can put like cool things on the building yes till we get in the door because I think there's some some uh upkeep things to make it more appropriate for hospitable yeah um that's my exciting news really excited once we start doing things and and getting things a little bit more in our Lane I don't even know how to use words do you have a room for me of course I do okay it's already designed to Via Pinterest oh I've been watching DIY all morning it's like how

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to how to DIY your own tile how to paint tile and then I'm like man should I really do this I don't know yes it's so fun I I'm so excited to be able to do that when I have my own home yeah I know it's it's one of those things though where I get consumed by the DIY videos and I'm like I'm so confident actually Elise Myers talked about this one time where she was like I I forget what she called him but she basically said that she has the like I can do it Gene where she never ever has a thought that she's not capable of doing something she thinks she can do everything generally decently like it doesn't mean you're an expert it doesn't mean like oh if I pick up running I'm gonna be in the Olympics but it means I think I can run like oh I think I could build a house if I YouTube it and learn really good trait I do not have that I have the I can't do it see I have it hard I have it hard and so that's why I'm like trying to already pull myself back a little bit and be like don't jump into things too quick

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and make some bad decisions and choices just because I'm like oh but you can do it all this stuff up and no I can build a patio and I can do all the brickwork like maybe not that much but you can absolutely do tiling in my brain I can I have the other people can do it mentality I have the I want to do it but I can't do it except for here's the thing when it comes to handiness I am a handy woman I built sets in college like I with my bare hands I was using table saws I was like drill guns drill bits nail guns I was building up the storm so I know how to do I my I know how to use my hands perfect It's just sometimes it's easier to pay for convenience if you have the money to pay for the convenience of not having to do stuff yourself and here that's my news that's exciting

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news I hope that I secretly hope that your house is haunted but only for the like only good haunted like a nice little Friendly Ghost I didn't feel anything when I was in there not yet but you know what I do want to do is I want to get I learned this on Farmhouse fixer which is Jonathan knight from New Kids on the Block he has a show where he basically like renovates old farm houses and one of the things I learned on his show is that old historic properties often have a you know oh God I forget the name of it but you know when you're like walking like the staircase and then there's the final post at the end it's the something poster something whatever but it's the like there's more of an accent to it right because you have all of your like balusters and beams and whatever and then there's the the display post at the end that indicates like the beginning or the end of your stairwell however you want to look at it but older ones would have a hollow center

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and if you took the cap off of it and looked down into the center people would often put like the blueprints of their house or like the deed to their home in there and so I was thinking it won't be we don't have it I don't have all the pennies in the world to make every design choice I want but I think in the future that's one thing that I want to do I want to put something in like that and I know obviously it's going to be a like 2023 2024 thing it's not going to be like from the 1800s but I want to start writing Love Letters to the house and putting it in there so that if ever we don't watch our house oh that is the I just watched that show maybe that's probably in your mind partially coming from but just like little things like things that have changed things that we're noticing like cool things about the house just not really like I love you house but just I like a little that's so sweet Bible for the house I

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think I'm gonna do your maybe your memories like what you've done in the house that's kind of yeah when you have kids yeah oh it's like a little time capsule and then yeah you know if we ever sell the house maybe we just like grab some pliers and pick all the paper or leave them in and out and re-look at it and then maybe shove it in for the next person to find when they do a renovation a little discovery I love that okay

The NearDeath Experience

I'm excited for this one so I do need to credit very heavily one person and that is well I guess two people Anthony Chen Anthony Sheen it's Anthony and then c-h-e-n-e production on YouTube this person has a bunch of documentaries that they make that are really incredible and there's a whole series where Anthony interviews people who've had near-death experiences oh and so that is how I found the documentary about Penny whitbrought and obviously I

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have to credit Penny too because it's her telling the story so it's all her in the documentary firsthand she's the only one that speaks and she brings you through a bit of her life and what she experienced in this documentary and she also has a YouTube channel and she's given many many talks um so Penny what brought if you look her up you'll find plenty more information much more than I'm able to tell you now in this one episode isn't it wild how we decided to do a different format of our episode so that we can really go in depth and do more research and we have found that we can hardly contain it to the one and a half hour time frame it's just we have so much information and also I think part of it is that before when there was a really huge topic you and I kind of strayed away from it because we were like oh it's going to be a little bit too much but now some of those really big ones

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those like huge stories that are super detailed we're like let's tackle it then we're like oh my God this could be a whole season Tower of London I kept putting off I kept putting off kept putting off and I'm glad I did because there's no way I would have had the ability to contain that to half of an episode ever like not without missing yeah there's so much with certain places there's just like so much that goes into it and different players that so many people informing the story and so and I'm excited because now that we don't have themes every episode is kind of a surprise to me or to you so near-death experience hell yeah near-death experience also if you're on patreon in I think any of the tears so same for joining campfire stories um you do get a little bit of a sneak

Childhood

peek you get hints at what the next episode will be okay so this is Penny whip rots near

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death experience as she tells it firsthand in this documentary that I watched so Penny grew up in Michigan and her family was very Catholic they believed in God they went to church but she said that she thought of God more as this punitive God that was just waiting to whack you on the head as soon as you made a bad mistake so basically she was saying that she was fearful of God right like she grew up being like if you sin that is horrible like you won't go to heaven God is always watching it was this scary figure over her a lot of guilt it was like Catholic guilt to the extreme I think where it was just like a scary experience and she said that when she was a kid she also feared dying not necessarily the act of dying but she feared not being able to make it to confession in time before dying to confess our sins and get to go to heaven so like God and the religion and stuff it was scary right yeah like yeah he

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will come and punish you for everything you've ever done in life unless you're perfect and have perfect timing and whatever I mean there's a lot of that in religion of just you know like the decision day and what you know are you good or are you bad depends on you know decides where you end up I mean there's always like in every city there's someone with a sign like Judgment Day is coming and repenting your sins they have their microphones I think that's the word I'm yelling at everywhere but I said decision day it's the thing clearly I have not been to church in a long time that's okay uh I think Penny was probably hoping that she wouldn't have to go to church as a kid because yeah it was just this figure watching over her every misstep and so she was a bit fearful as an adult Penny got married she had three kids got divorced she had a pretty

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messy divorce I think there was a lot of like infidelity and and heartache when it came to her relationship with her husband and then she moved with her three children to Kentucky so away from Michigan where she put herself through nursing school while raising her kids and she mostly worked in the critical care unit I think she worked I know she started an open heart care and I'm not sure if she stayed in that department the whole time in that unit

Allergic reaction

um but she she worked as a nurse in critical care until she retired in 2014. but while she was still working as a nurse Penny was at home with her daughter making fruit smoothies one day so very normal very average day she's drinking her strawberry smoothie and then it feels like there's a lump in her throat and she's swallowing and she's swallowing and it's like getting bigger and bigger and it's harder to swallow and then her mouth starts feeling really tingly and then her her tongue is number and it just keeps

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getting itchier and constricting and she's having a harder time breathing now so she's like oh my God I'm having an allergic reaction luckily she had a pack of epipens because she had a shellfish allergy why she was reacting to this strawberry milkshake for a fruit smoothie she doesn't know I don't think but something happened and she's going into anaphylaxis so she runs she grabs the pen sticks it in herself and then her son who was of the age to be able to drive her he gets her into the car and they rush to the emergency room and her I mean the EpiPen only does so much right it's basically a shot of adrenaline to just keep your heart going and keep keep you breathing for a short period of time in anticipation of you going to the hospital and getting getting some real treatment so she's struggling this is terrifying it's so scary this stuff is so scary especially not knowing you know

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not knowing you're allergic to something and then experiencing this I mean horrifying yes and it's just so I mean I'm go I'm not happy it happened it happens to anybody but I'm at least glad that it happened to someone who was a nurse who had an EpiPen who knew what was happening and what to do because you hear those horror stories of you know like a child in elementary school and it doesn't fare as well for them so anyway she's being rushed to the hospital and she gets to the emergency room and she actually knows the nurse who checks her in she had previously worked with her and I think um maybe had like helped to cover some of her shifts or whatever but whatever it was she knew this person and so she she gets to this nurse a familiar face and she's like okay great like I'm going to get some treatment right away and this nurse is like why are you here and penny is

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barely able to breathe she said there's like a whistling coming out of her she's like like what do you mean why is she here like she's clear and this person worked with her yeah and so it wasn't like just some random person that you're like oh I can't tell anything's off like she was so clearly having in anaphylactic shock so the nurse is like why are you here and Penny's like um well I'm completely swollen I can barely talk I'm like gasping for breath I'm clearly experiencing anaphylaxis and the nurse goes well did you take your EpiPen and she's like yes and she goes then why are you here you're fine

EpiPen PSA

which let me tell everyone right now is this a PSA if you take an EpiPen you are one thousand percent meant to immediately seek medical care whether it's calling an ambulance or getting yourself to the hospital you don't just take an EpiPen and say I'm fine well that's good to

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know I did not know that if you have an EpiPen you get this training and if you're like a school nurse or anybody like you get this training so it was shocking that this nurse was yeah so clearly like uneducated about it yeah just incompetent so yeah never never stay at home go to the hospital which is what penny did so she's already off to a brutal start right like she's barely alive kept herself alive is in the emergency room and then this woman is like you don't need to be here but she's like okay fine like I'll bring you back do you want this wheelchair and Penny's like sure sits down in the wheelchair the person this nurse brings her Wheels her back to a quiet part of the hallway Penny says it was basically near the sleeping quarters of the doctors in the emergency room like it was quiet there was no one around so there was like a basically abandoned nurses station right next to her and her breathing is getting worse and worse and worse and she's like so scary it's so

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scary it gets to the point where it is so bad that she grabs out of her purse her second EpiPen and stabs herself again right there in the emergency room because no one is helping her so she's just saving her own life she's saving her own we're trying and she's literally in her own Hospital like in the emergency room and no one is helping and like knows some of the staff it's so scary to hear stories like this because it's like you are exactly where you need to be with everyone who should be able to help you how does this happen how does this happen to someone it's infuriating it shouldn't yeah it shouldn't so she stops herself with the second one she's fine for 15 minutes and then it starts getting worse again and she's very quickly dying like that's the last EpiPen they come in a two pack she's she has nothing else and she's back in this hallway like barely alive at this point what's her son doing at this point uh I

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have no idea he might have just been in the I wasn't allowed to go back living room yeah yeah waiting room because then there's no one to help you know advocate for her right exactly and two I don't know what her her home situation was or the age of the other kids because you know if he was 16 and had to rush her to the emergency room potentially her other kids were like five and seven and he had to go back home to take care of them like I don't know I don't know what he was doing I just know that she was alone in this this hallway all by herself but luckily a competent

The Drama Unit

nurse spots her rushes over grabs her runs her to the drama unit and then they they basically pump through an IV Benadryl into Penny's arm I don't know the medical reason or terminology for this but basically whatever was happening to

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Penny's body her veins has started to like constrict and contract and pull deeper into her body so it was really hard to find a vein in the ivy that was placed into her was barely in her arm like it was it was not well done because they could not really find a vein they had all shrunk away so it's like everything that could be going wrong is going wrong aside from the fact that she did have an EpiPen and was able to get to the hospital so that's those two steps were successful and then once she's there everything is just going wrong it's going wrong exactly basically the doctor who comes in is like relaxed we have plenty of time to treat you before your breathing stops you're gonna be okay well she actually didn't have time within a few minutes Penny died and she remembers her vision closing like tunnel vision and then when she

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collapsed her Consciousness popped out of her body whoa and she was looking down on her body from above and she was watching everybody rush around her she was seeing people intubate her she was seeing I think family members who did arrive into the hospital room at that point were being pushed away shoved away and Penny said quote I remember hearing the code call going off overhead and thinking oh my goodness somebody's really sick and I looked down at me in the bed and I didn't know it was me and I thought wow I hope she's okay she looks like she's in really bad shape she didn't even know it was her not at first no oh my God she pops out of her body sees the commotion is like wow that woman is in bad shape and then Boop everything goes black okay see that makes me think that our because you know we talk about how our Spirits hold memories of all of our lives and

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that's why it's hard in our current lives to remember our past lives it makes me think that when she popped out for a moment all of that recollection came to her spirit that it was hard to tie it together to this life right especially because that that life was like basically she was in the suspended in between yeah she hadn't fully died and gone through the processing of death beyond our current life yet so yeah whatever happened she was super confused whether it be confusion with the soul or or really just a traumatic experience and and her Consciousness I I almost said brain but at that point it's not our brain but like her Consciousness trying to protect her from what was happening yeah

Penny in Wisconsin

so then everything goes black Penny awoke again still in spirit form and she's now in Wisconsin in her sister's car it is pouring rain it is a horrible

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driving conditions it's late at night and she noted how her own body felt a lot lighter so it wasn't like the normal density it wasn't the normal sensations of sitting in the car and you can feel the fabric or the leather touching the back of your legs you can feel your back leaning against like you can feel pressure around you can feel the weight of yourself she didn't have that feeling so she was just basically a little ghost in the car just floating there and so she was nervous that she might spook her sister and so she basically remained quiet because she didn't know if she was able to be seen like yeah she had no idea what's going on and her sister is in this like really wrinkled shirt clearly out of the hamper and Penny's still not registering that all of this has happened to her and her sisters probably wrinkled shirt out of the hamper in the middle of the night in the pouring rain heading to the hospital she was like Wow there must be an emergency if she's heading out like this not thinking I'm the emergency right and

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there's got to be some element of shock so putting it all together is difficult because she's aware that she's not her physical form but she's not putting it all together right right there's a lot of confusion a ton her sister pulls over to the gas station and Penny's still in the car right like she's still her astral State her little ghost self is still riding along and they pull into a gas station together Penny knows they're together her sister does not um and her sister opens up Facebook and writes a message and Penny's looking over her shoulder at the phone and can literally see the message being typed out can see Facebook and her sister writes hang on kiddo I'm coming and later it was found out that it was I believe a message to Penny's daughter saying that she was on the way your your Auntie's on the way gotcha

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Penny sees this message to be sent and then black again this is wild I know I know because it's not like she's just there and aware and floating about she's being like ripped back and forth like a featuring like a boomerang or like a like a rubber band just and also popping around to different

Confusion

places to different people that are important to her and in her life and I mean I feel like usually when we hear of nude other experiences a lot of them are pretty similar where it's you know they see this white tunnel and they see their loved ones and they often say it's not your time you know you gotta go back and that's the extent of it but this is so elaborate it totally is and you're you're making a good point too where it's there was confusion she wasn't fully aware of what was going on so it's not like she

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was hovering above her body and then has the thought oh my gosh I'm in a horrible condition my children let me go see what my beloved sister is doing and and make sure she's on her way like there was no thought it just no it's not happening she was just pulled there yeah so it's all black again after seeing this message go through on Facebook and then Penny's body her physical body at the time is being actually flown to a bigger Hospital and ah this is a gross detail so if anyone's driving and easily faints skip forward 15 seconds start like you now I'll give you a couple more seconds grab your phone fumble okay now skip forward um so her veins had retreated so much into her body that they actually had to drill a hole into her Shin to administer the medication because her veins were no longer accessible I mean the fact that that is a

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possibility is also kind of incredible yeah I know it's gross I mean but it saves people's lives yeah and also

Pennys Spirit

I mean that's just like that just shows uh shows us the extent to which Penny was so close right right yeah so Penny spirit is still in the astral plane although her physical body is now in a new hospital even in her astral body she was still struggling to breathe which is something that's unique because we always hear you know like all the pain is is lifted you feel wonderful and great and have so much Clarity and are all knowing and all this stuff and for Penny it was a lot of confusion and she still felt like she was in agony like what was happening to her physical body was still happening to her in spirit form she could barely breathe at this point she still hadn't put together that it was her I think maybe she did now okay okay yeah

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and so she's awake and she can't breathe and it's pitch black around her like it's like a void and she knows she's not standing upright but she's somehow suspended like she was basically floating but she couldn't see anything like it was com pitch darkness and so it was really scary and so she was in this like weird space and once she realized what was happening she it's basically like She fainted it's like the OA yeah yes yes totally and even a little bit of a stranger things too yeah yeah the upside down you know yeah yeah well just going when 11 goes into that space Oh yeah meditating and it's all dark and then she finds who she's trying to see like remote seeing yeah so Penny's Spirit or

Pennys Awakening

penny in her in her spirit form she goes unconscious again and when she wakes up she's in the exact same place suspended in this infinitely dark space

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and what penny said here in the documentary really struck out to me and so I'm going to quote her directly she said quote I was starting to doubt that I had ever actually existed because if I had existed why weren't people looking for Me Maybe I had done something terrible that I couldn't remember and had just been banished to this place and everyone had forgotten me whoa I make you so sad so sad she basically thought she was in hell oh especially because of all the fears yes poor Penny she didn't get to go to confession oh right before poor penny so yeah this is it's like the fear of God and the for how she was raised in her religion like it all just culminated up into this point in her being like Oh my God maybe no one's ever coming for me maybe I'm here in this Darkness forever with no one around me basically like

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blipping in and out of consciousness infinitely that keeps happening to her she keeps blacking out and coming to and blacking out and coming to and she's still in the same space this dark vast Infinite Space finally one of the times when she wakes up she decides she needs to try to move and she's not standing remember she's like in the suspended stays so she's like I don't really know how to move so she leans forward but she doesn't Bend at her torso she more just like straight As the board leans forward and as her torso goes forward her legs come up so she's basically in this horizontal line now just hovering where she feels like she's looking down at an invisible ground right like just Blackness Superman style oh wow and she begins to fly forward and she realizes the more Shillings floor forward the faster she will fly so she can feel herself whooshing around this

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dark space it's still completely black this is like lucid dreaming oh my gosh this is so yeah extensive it is it is and she's also like scared now so she's like okay I figured out how to move but like What if I strike something like I have no idea what's in front of me if there is anything in front of me so she's pushing around but she's like totally nervous that she's gonna hit something but then as she's experiencing this moving around she can see a faint light in the distance and she starts to head that way her little Superman style and she's heading over to the faint light and as she gets closer to it she sees that it's actually a piece of glass so she goes up to the piece of glass and she presses her face against the glass and she looks in and it's her it's her body Below in the hospital room whoa I was just really trippy

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it is it is this this part reminds me of interstellar you know when he's like in the fourth dimension or whatever I mean it does make me wonder these people who write these types of scenarios in moving movies and television how do they come up with it right like is it a Consciousness or a subconscious thing that is coming to them because of or do they just study everyone who has experienced stuff or down a dark Hall type of thing where amused comes through right totally yeah yeah I'm curious if you ever meet one of the writers the interstellar no let's ask them I'll let everyone know yes okay so she is pressing her face against

Pennys Death

the glass and she's looking down at her body and she can see the ventilator

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hooked to her she notices the drugs hooked to the IV she can like literally see what bags are hooked to her and since she was a nurse she was aware of what those medications were and she was like oh God this isn't good and then she looks at the Monitor and she reads her vital signs on the display and she knows from all of what she's saying that she's barely alive her body is very close to death then her eyes move down to her daughter her daughter is standing in the hospital room right next to her bed like kind of just just I think behind the monitor and Penny said that her daughter has always been a super stoic person like she's she's very private she doesn't really show many emotions on her face so it's always been a thing throughout Penny's life that she really truly has no idea what her daughter's ever thinking what she's ever feeling like she's just very poised like she's permanent Poker

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Face and so in the hospital room her daughter is still doing that the poker face the no tell as to what she's feeling but suddenly for the first time in her life Penny can feel all of her daughter's emotions she can feel all of her fear and how upset she is and the just Panic that her mom is gonna die that Penny's gonna die and so Penny being a mom or just being any human being wants to go comfort her and so she reaches out to hold her daughter but her astral body hits the wall and she can't she can't go any further and this makes her so angry she begins yelling at God saying things like either let me live or kill me now what even is this place why would you show me this she's yeah being stuck in this in between and not having control or like you know I I

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absolutely understand that frustration because it yes continuous this is long this is a long time it's a long time and also like can you imagine I mean neither of us are our parents but we both have pets and have and we're empathetic that we and we're empathetic like I can't imagine the anger that would boil over me too if like there was someone that I needed to comfort who was experiencing quite possibly the worst thing to ever experience in their life yeah and I was stopped from being able to be with them oh of course I would be yeah

Back to the Window

I would blow up and that's what she did her anger angered I guess whatever was listening whoever was listening and she was sucked back to the darkness pulled back a little bungee cord rips back everything goes black she wakes up again and she finds her way back to the window and this time when she's approaching the window

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she says it appears to be living like there's like this glowing bubble around it and it looks almost like it's breathing amongst this pitch black nothingness so she gets up to the glass this time and she's trying to collect herself and calm herself and she reaches out her hand and her hand starts pushing through the glass and she can see her hand on the other side of the glass so I'm successfully put her arm through so then she shoves the rest of her body through the glass and now she's in the room she has no idea what to do but the only thing that she can think of is I should get back into my body so she lays down on herself she like gets onto the bed and tries to lay herself perfectly on her physical body in her actual form is like come on absorb yourself again absorb back in like let's go but she doesn't re-enter her how is this

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not a movie right right it's so good it's wow just the wildest story and it's so incredible and also I I mean please everybody go watch the documentary and watch really every clip and video and yeah talk that Penny does because she's so she's so just like matter of factor she's describing it like there's there's plenty of emotion in her voice while she's speaking about it and there's moments that she gets choked up but it's like it's one of those things where you know she doesn't have the opportunity where she stops and is like isn't this incredible yeah it just it's her life it happened yeah and she's probably told the story so many times that it's just like it's just wild to watch this woman wow discuss all of the things that happened to her right incredible

The Darkness Breaks

so she's trying really hard to get back into her body and she's not being absorbed so now she's like trying to mind control pieces or parts of her body so she's like just lift a finger just

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lift a finger her finger won't lift she's like just blink her body's not blinking so she's like okay this is really not working and so she's confused she has no idea what to do and so she just thinks to herself in that moment why is this happening how could this possibly be happening to me and then a thought pops into her mind and the thought is because you made this place and whatever that means that suddenly however she got this thought put into her or if it just came out of her but whoever was speaking through her the thought triggered the darkness to basically break into shards so it was like a ripple like she said it reminded her of when growing up in Lake Michigan like that when the ice breaks on the lake like it kind of looked like those cracks like because you made this place because you

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made this place okay and it's all cracking and she's coming or the light is coming through towards her the darkness is now in shards it's splintered away and there's just this bright giant Spirit she said it was so giant it's like it like literally takes your breath away it is it is a massive being of light that comes towards her and the spirit opens their arms and Penny is pulled in this reminds me of everything everywhere all at once some of those things where they're just like this feel my hair all over my body just I know hooting out of the follicles kills the whole time truly wow so she's pulled in by this being and she remembers that around her all of the darkness that had splintered off it's now in shards it like looks like pitch black obsidian black glass and it is

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coming at her like she's a magnet it's trying to reach her it's trying to pull her back in and suffocate her once more in the void but because she's being held by this light being it's bouncing off the energy of the spirit so she's completely protected here from the darkness and she just breaks down crying because she finally feels safe okay so I was because I was thinking that this spirit is taking her soul to the other side which is a positive thing right but scary to also be like okay that moving on which I know that that's not what happened but right because she's here to tell us the story but you're not totally wrong so she looks up at the Spirit finally this like massive light being and she sees fiery orange hair and blue green eyes and this is when she realizes it's her grandmother oh and in Penny's mind so you're not talking at all like there's no actual speech it's just like

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all telepathic communication she says in her mind I thought you were dead and in her mind in Penny's mind she hears her grandmother respond oh no there's no death you know this and Penny is confused and then her grandmother continues and reminds her the energy is neither created nor destroyed it just changes form which is what we talk about all the time yes her grandma was saying you know this because it's like you learned this in science class yes in high school yeah so her Grandma's like what do you mean where this is not a penny isn't it we literally you learned this 30 years ago penny come on those are her Grandma seems a bit sassy it's like oh Penny you're you're in the you know the other side basically but come on

The InBetween

and I didn't include this because again there was just so much that I needed to cut out so go watch the documentary go look at all the things the penny has

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ever talked about and published but um I'll say just uh briefly that her she describes a bit about what her grandma was like growing up and her grandma had this horribly difficult very physically taxing job and just like all the stamina that her grandmother had and what a strong person she was and what a very strong loving Force she was and so she felt very comforted by her grandmother in this moment which is probably why her grandmother specifically showed up you know like they had this very special relationship in life yeah and she was such a strong person too right like if Penny looked up to her grandma and said this is this is an incredibly Invincible type of person like that's the best person to come collect you don't you think absolutely yeah you feel safe this protector yeah Penny asks her grandma now about this

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place where am I what is this place and her grandmother tells her it's the in-between State she's attached to her body still via a cord but Penny would have to decide if she wanted to stay with her grandma in this space and move on or if she wanted to go back to her body and stay on Earth do you stay or do you go if she decides to return to her body the cord will pull her back in so she can't necessarily just lay on her body and be absorbed back in she has to be pulled and it has to be a specific clearly there's some sort of like learning or message or something that she's even though she initially wanted to be back in it wasn't her time to make that decision yet if she decides to move on with her grandma the cord will sever and she will die her physical body will her soul her energy will move on transform

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penny cries this is in a feels so heavy feels so big what an impossible decision to feel so comforted in the arms of your grandmother on the other side but then get to have to see you're barely their body and your daughter panicking over you like it is horrible so she cries her grandma calms her pulls her in and puts her into this hyper relaxed state

Pennys Grandma

and she's like feeling like she's being held and she's crying and she's weeping and then she opens her eyes and suddenly her Grandma's not there so she felt all the warmth but the being is no longer there her Grandma's yeah over there I'm just continuously I don't even know I'm speechless I'm shocked this is beautiful and confusing and scary and I'm just hearing it so I

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can't even imagine experiencing it so now penny is without her Grandma she's just alone in this void the space again but at least it's not dark you know like the shards of Darkness haven't consumed her and then there's this rumbling the whole place starts vibrating she can feel it all over her in her bones even though she has none right now and she's terrified that God is about to show up and she believes that that is exactly who came through to her at this moment oh my gosh there was another light being that came forward and Penny's mind went completely still she said she basically had no thoughts just illness she's still experiencing the terror because she's so viscerally terrified of of God um but the light being just tells her calm yourself and she's calm and the being then shows her an image of her in her hometown grocery store giving

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money to a little old lady in front of her who couldn't afford her groceries she was just a few dollars short and was trying to decide what to put back and Penny really felt for her having been in this position herself and feeling the stress of you know like not really having extra cash and feeling a little bit of the embarrassment in public kind of having to be in that predicament and so penny at the time gave this woman some money to cover the rest of the groceries that she wasn't able to cover and this is a real

The Ripple Effect

experience that happened in the past the real experience yeah okay and this Godlike figure is showing Penny this and then the image kind of dissolves and new images start projecting and this time Penny's not in it but that little old ladies in it the same lady that she had given money to and this little old lady is working in a food pantry and a similar situation happens there's a woman that comes in and she's very embarrassed and she doesn't have enough

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money for the food that she needs and now she's here and this little old lady Comforts this woman and says that she's been there before don't feel bad people will help you because this little old lady experienced Penny's help and now she gets to provide help to someone else and so penny is shown the ripple effect of these small kind gestures throughout her life and so that's a good feeling right like she's you know God was the scary being for her thinking that he was going to judge her and now she's shown this beautiful thing in this these beautiful effects that she had on other people but then she's shown something that she didn't do quite well okay oh no she is shown an old co-worker of hers and this was a co-worker who Penny didn't really she just didn't really get along with like she didn't really like her she was just kind of always peeved by her and started to

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resent this woman because she just wasn't she wasn't doing a great job at her work and Penny often times would have to pick up shifts pick up the slack like just had to do a lot more like Penny's job became more difficult because this person wasn't fulfilling their job or or excelling at their job really so Penny had always just kind of not liked her had some negative thoughts about her never trash talked her never gossiped

We Are Human

about her but just was like Ugh I mean that's fair we're human first of all so we have emotions and feelings and there are certain people that we don't get along with you cannot possibly get along with everyone and one of the things I'm trying to learn is that you cannot please everyone you cannot go through life without upsetting certain people or like you know if you're if you're doing something that's in your best in your best interest but it's not in someone else's best interest that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it like you shouldn't be afraid of you know hurting people

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but you also shouldn't be consumed with negative thoughts towards someone else which is basically what penny had experienced here it doesn't sound like she was consumed it just sounds like that's the normal there are certain people that irk you there are but I'm just I know that you're experiencing this because you're human and I've experienced this because I'm human but this god-like figure is trying to teach us how to transcend those feelings and that's the lesson Penny's getting right now is you know what thank God then God should not have made us human because that's part of it I don't know I think we signed up for the human experience at some point in our Soul's existence our energy was like let's try it and here we are some of us I don't think clearly not so happy with that decision take me off your list yeah Return to Sender I do accept returns exchange life is beautiful I love life

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real convincing Sabrina gotta take more antidepressants huh take your pills take your pills and don't [ __ ] your cousin remember that's our motto very important okay so Penny's shown this woman that she had a lot of negative thoughts about and Penny just like you or me or a lot of our listeners probably didn't think anything of it especially because honey wasn't hurting anyone she wasn't saying anything out loud to anybody and she was doing her job it didn't affect her in any way it was just thought she had because it was how she was perceiving this person's impact on her own life and it was a negative impact so this light being then shows Penny This Woman's life and this is you know what's interesting is what happens here is kind of what you and I had talked about in oh actually it hasn't come out yet it came out on patreon but we'll post it

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later um in March but we did my special like the Korean special part two part two yeah when we were talking about when you overthink someone else's situation and you like I had gotten myself in some difficult relationships because I was overly empathetic and we thought about like what would their parents want for them like they have family members who love them you know like they're not being their best self they could use the support and you abandon yourself yeah because of this thought oh hello self-aband and are number one over here yes it's hard not to because your brain you convince yourself that's my superlative most likely to self-abandon [Laughter] hello 30 years of it yeah but not anymore turning over a new Leaf New Life New Leaf the crunch old Leaf has been now

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you have a a glimmering glamorous yellow bright yellow leaf yes your new life anyway so it's interesting because like with our experiences we're probably gonna disagree with some of these messages because they don't feel right for us in our situation the one thing that I'm thinking is I well okay the grandmother said was I think I believe it was the grandmother spirit said or the voice told her that she had created this space like she was scared of it but it was her own creation so I imagine there is an element of this near-death experience for whoever it may be being catered to who you are as a person yes totally and two I think I mean like I'm gonna say God a lot in this episode because that's what penny believes she believes she was raised Catholic she still probably identifies a bit as Catholic and she believed in God but it's again

1:00:00

it's probably one of those things where it's we've heard it before where there was that one person who had an ND that we had discussed a couple years ago where their experience was like oh you're shown whatever you believe in Whatever You're Expecting is what you get because they were getting like remember they were getting like all these like psychedelic like 70s hallucination Ayahuasca woo-woo and then they were like is this it and they're like for you it is yeah yeah for you it is for Penny it was God and it was hearing some life lessons that helped her and so she's shown This Woman's life this woman who made her life more difficult she's shown This Woman's hardships all the trauma that she went through things that were impossibly difficult to ever predict or or it would just make you upset to learn that anybody near you went through horrible horrible horrible things and abuse and all this stuff so Penny felt horrible for having all these negative thoughts

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that she ever had towards this woman now knowing that she wasn't able to bring her best self to work because of all these other things that were affecting her and she felt badly about thoughts that she had the Judgment she bestowed upon this person even though she had never spoken them out loud but basically this light being was like well actually the energy of your thoughts and your actions can move through space and attach themselves to others so you thought negatively and that did attach to her and your negative thoughts hindered her ability to move forward it's not entirely your fault but when there's a bunch of people who are thinking negative thoughts about someone it just makes their opportunity to get to a better version of themselves that much harder like there's just another coding of of film that they have to punch through and so basically he was like you need to control your mind which reminds me a lot of some of the stories that we've read

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on encounters where there are people that are really witchy and they have to like really concentrate hard on not getting overly excited or overly angry because their energy like bursts out yeah yes yes it it manifests into something even though it was just a thought it was just a quick emotion it can turn into something I also okay I know I was just saying like it's part of life and Humanity to be irked by certain people but uh yes I think this lesson is really important of you never know what someone's going through and you never know what they have been through but understanding that you have your own past your own traumas your own history that every other person also has that and Carries that with them which led them to where they currently are is I I think a very valuable I mean it's empathy right it's understanding that you may not see everything beneath the surface or know everything exactly the surface it's a hard pill to swallow and it's a

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hard thing to probably hear when your body is dying in a hospital room and yeah right this whole thing is just continuous right it's a wild experience yeah totally so penny is angry and she gets angry again and she's like okay I'm supposed to be all nice and kind and have positive thoughts well God where were you when my husband left where were you when my husband told my kids that they were gonna set he was going to send a piece of mail and they walked to the end of the driveway every day for months looking for the mail that never came where were you then why didn't we get anything why would you do this to me why would you do this to them so she was really just like okay if you're if you're looking to change people's hearts if you're looking to change people's minds like why didn't you start with my husband who could have you know like his actions negatively impacted four people greatly here and so the light being who Penny

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believes is God God and for Penny I guess shows Penny this new scene and it's three years in the future and she is at her grandson's soccer game and her own son her grandson's father turns to her and explains that he has plans to be the best father and he is going to be the father that he felt he deserved this is the future this is the future so she's seeing her grandson at the time I believe was two and so she's seeing him at five years old playing at the soccer game and her own son being like everything I didn't have from Dad I'm gonna do for my son and had he not experienced that pain he wouldn't know how to change it and treat his son differently yes and so basically that was the exact message it was like her children had to experience it to break the cycle in their familial line okay well my question is and maybe you're gonna get to this but does this

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moment actually happen in real life did it ah this is so I mean again it goes back to time like time is not linear we have no idea how it works it's everything is existing all at once I know isn't it so crazy too because it's like thinking about that was she seeing another what if Penny decided that she actually wasn't gonna go back and she was done with her life on earth does that scenario still play out because in another dimension or because time is linear and that you get like every possibility of every single Choice ever and you get to see it you gotta you gotta you gotta read dark matter okay I do I will I'll get it on Audible because then I'll I'll Crush through it way faster I truly read it in like three and a half hours oh okay maybe I'll do it on my car right up to Vermont yeah it's great so she's seeing this and she's starting to feel

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like okay I'm starting to understand a little bit more and she remembers thinking that maybe things will be okay if she doesn't go back so now that she's seeing all these images and she's seeing things even though she's seeing herself in the future she's like maybe if I stay here and remain with God everything will be okay and as that thought comes to her light starts to envelop her it starts swirling around her and her whole body body is being warmed and it's tingling and it's shimmering like she's feeling just like she's a little ball of sparkles warm sparkles in the this suspended State this non-sky's guy and it's wrapping her from head to toe which or I guess I think from toe to head which reminds me of the ribbon wrapping technique yeah because that's what it feels like it reaches her neck and when it does it suddenly exits from her mouth and her tongue is now glowing

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and she starts singing she has no control over it but she's singing and she's singing beautifully and she's like wow if I ever go back to Earth I hope I can sing like this again because she's like not a good singer in real life and she was like huh it's a little mermaid angelic totally the leg then goes up to her brain and she can feel it everywhere and she feels like she's being healed so all of her pain all the illnesses all of all of it just like all the trauma everything she ever experienced in her human life is just gone and she's just at peace and then it all stops and Penny and God begin to fly and they're now flying around her DNA she's like seeing the helixes of her own DNA and they stop in this one particular section and she's asked do you want to stay or do you want to return to your body my gosh and she says yeah through this place this is wild she says I'll stay so she's gonna leave

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her human life she wants to stay here she's so dazzled by it she wants to stay but then as soon as she says it she immediately regrets it and she thinks about her life back on Earth with her family and now seeing and knowing all that was just shown to her she really wants to go back she doesn't want to stay anymore she's just said that she did but that was just for a split second she actually wants to go back she wants to go back and heal her traumas she wants to engage with life more but the light being starts to recede away she had made her decision she said she was gonna stay no it starts she's begging please roller coaster I even know the ending and I'm like ah spoiler alert she's still here she's she's live but she is begging this light being she's begging God like please please let me go back I was I was just kidding I

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don't want to stop a funny joke right I tricked you prank how often do you get pranked God probably not a lot that's why I did it you can have fun that's what this is fun um no but she's begging she said please let me go black please let me go back and he's like oh okay you want to go back now and she's like yes but I if I go back I I really only want to go back if I can remember what happened here because I fear that if I go back without memory of this place then I'm not going to have the hope that I have now I'm not going to know the changes and the lessons that I need to have to have this to really live life to really like be fulfilled and do clearly what I'm supposed to be doing within a split second of her essentially saying that which is telepathically Penny wakes up in her body she's in her living just like that fleshy human body she chose to live and so she shall the pain returns

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of course it does the pain Returns the medical staff notices that she's there she's now conscious and they run and grab her family after her family visits and you know there's some tearful hellos and whatever and she's trying to get her her groundings there because it's all still confusing and blurry and what the hell just happened to her she is left alone in the room after everybody visits the medical staff leaves for a moment and in that time that she's alone in the room God Appears in the startless penny because she's not in the actual plane yeah she's in her body she's in the physical life that we know right now okay and she's so scared she screams because he just put up right in front of her she has no control I mean hey and she said that she screams and then she goes I thought you were gone and God starts she said quote cracking up laughing

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God started cracking up plastic laughing yes yes he's just cracking up laughing and then he goes I'm never gone and basically he popped in to tell Penny that he wants to her to share a specific message with the world and he hands her a note and she reads it and she said it's so overwhelming it's like the most beautiful thing she's ever read it's just like truly hits her and all of her being and she's reading this now and I have no idea if this is like a physical note that she still has or if it was just like a note that was basically tattooed into her existence and it's just exists it's no it's all knowing I guess it just lives in her but however she has it however she read it however she kept it it's in her so she reads it and she agrees she'll share it but she was lying she was like this is so beautiful I need to keep this to myself and for the next two and a half years

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she kept it to herself simultaneously she experienced respiratory failures 18 times she had the super rare autoimmune disease she basically keeps dying basically like one after the other like she's barely able to get by I mean she's she's in the hospital like every other week essentially from respiratory I'm guessing until you know you know where this is going so the last time this happens she floats above her body once again so she actually removed her actual State projected above her body and she's like oh no I'm all too familiar with this and God is there and he basically scolds her he's like Penny this is ridiculous you said you wanted to live and you're not living and you're not sharing the message and she's like uh I've been a little busy dying every five minutes that's like do you want to help me out there and he's like no I keep putting people in your path to help you and you keep saying no to them you need to say yes

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and so then she's put back in her body and she receives a call from one of her friends Brian who I believe also had a near-death experience and Brian had been asking her multiple times do you want to come to my group and share your story and there were other people like this too like people that would just come into her life but she was just so I keep using the word consumed but she was consumed again with just like always basically feeling like she was dying you know all of these respiratory failures so she was just overwhelmed with life and not focused on any of that stuff and saying no to everyone who came in and was just like super anti-social but God just told her he need she needs to say yes so he Brian calls and is like do you want to share your story with a group she says okay yes I will do that wow and Penny lives her life everything returns to normal she doesn't have the respiratory failures anymore and she always has the

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feeling of the presence of God watching over her and she said that one time and this reminded me so much of everything everywhere all at once which makes me wonder did the writers well maybe not but like I'm like did they hear about this she said she was in Walmart and she felt like she was being watched and she looks out the window to the area that felt like she was being watched and there was no one there but there was a rock and she knew that that rock was God and it was warm and it was lovingly staring at her like it clearly didn't have eyes but she like felt all the energy and everything gosh rock it was like pulsating from The Rock to Penny inside Walmart it's because God is everywhere exactly God was there God was everywhere I also love that Penny had been given all these messages and was learning so much in this astral plane while she was

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in the near-death experience and yet didn't fully listen to God but like you know she tricked him she tried she she played some pranks on him and were like oh yes but yes means no or yes doesn't mean no but it doesn't mean yes I'll do it right away it just means some point I will and God's like penny come on I'm God this is ridiculous I know everything I know the being that she was so fearful of and now she's just not even listening twice she's like yeah I know him we're on a first name basis now um it's good he laughed at my jokes I pulled prank she also said that it really was just a light being like there was no real features that she could make out but she kept calling him him because she felt like it was a masculine presence which again could be you know like her belief in God was of this male God and so that's sort of like the energy that was being presented towards

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her so Penny's beliefs surprise Brides have changed a lot since having her near-death experience she fully believes in everything having Consciousness and the energy around us being this living thing we are all connected three years after her initial anaphylaxis that landed her in this near-death experience penny found herself at her grandson soccer game and her son turned to her and explained to her that he would be the best father and she had never told him this no oh my gosh I've chose the very conversation that this Godlike figure had played out to her just played out in real life now I know Penny's life is quite different now she views the world very differently her relationships to her relationship with herself um it's completely done through a

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different lens now and she did say I wasn't even gonna say this I didn't even write it down but she did say her and her current husband who I think she was married to at the time that she experienced the initial anaphylaxis that they had some difficulty after her near-death experience because she was so changed with her beliefs and that's one of the pillars of a foundation or the pillars of a relationship right like it's you have to you don't have to believe in the same things but there has to be like a mutual respect for each other's beliefs and understanding and she was just so completely different in what she believed from what where she had been before and her husband was kind of struggling a little bit with this new he kind of saw it as like a woo-woo sort of thing you know she was all of a sudden like a little Buddhist monk in many ways and they made the decision that no matter what they would try they would stay together they would try everything to come back to each other

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because they'd actually done some research and apparently according to their research I have no I didn't look it up I didn't do any research myself so I don't know how factual this data point still is but apparently 70 of people who experienced near-death experiences and are in relationships their relationships do not survive those relationships end because you just come out a different person you see you see things I want to say I'm like tempted to say clearer but that means that other people aren't seeing clearly and I don't want to like insult people but like she just got a very different she was given the opportunity to see something from a different perspective than what an average person gets to see and it's something that only Penny experienced so to be able to express that and have it be understood by anyone else is probably extremely difficult especially if you've already built a pre-existing relationship with them

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that was founded on different morals or different beliefs it's just it's a massive shift very quickly yes and I think she was challenged a bit by people who didn't necessarily believe her story people that were like oh you must have just been hallucinating but she's like how do I hallucinate exactly what medications I was given how do I hallucinate exactly what the hospital looks like how do I hallucinate watching my sister Drive in another state in the exact clothes that she shows up in how do I hallucinate exactly what my daughter is wearing when she's staying behind my hospital bed like and I see all the stuff then the the future the seeing the future seeing the future exactly and also knowing the co-workers trauma like I'm so curious if Penny ever I mean it's hard right because that feels a bit like an invasion of privacy but I would be curious if Penny ever spoke to her co-worker and

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got validation about some of the things that she saw and learned I would be I would come out of that and be like all right girl I'm sorry for being a total b-i-tch to you I know your trauma now yeah I mean I wouldn't do it like that but I think it's so hard though because it's like how intrusive like how would that person react well it's the same way like if a medium gets a message from your loved one right like and they want to share it with you it could be I guess it depends I received this message about you I feel like you'd have to just express it in the correct way yeah right sometimes the traumas like your deepest darkest secret right and you're like why is my co-worker now I'm telling me I know it there is a part here Sabrina I'm gonna get to that okay I think you'll find really interesting and okay do you tell them why when I get there okay so basically Penny's viewing her life very differently she's doing her

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relationships very differently she's way more understanding she's empathetic she's loving it's not always easy but she's trying Penny also is now getting visions visions of the future and they're not always positive so she's actually seeing like murders and deaths happen and then they come true murders oh my God yes something has been unlocked within her and she's able to see she basically is having premonitions and some of them are really scary and so she's she basically was saying in the documentary that it's really hard but it's necessary for her on her journey to try to separate her self from the scarier side of death like that like seeing those types of Visions like getting a sort of like power and understanding of the world is one thing but always subjecting yourself to things that still feel scary as a human being you don't have to do like you shouldn't have to subject yourself to that so she's tried to pull away from having those sort of visions and she's really

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thrown herself into helping people deal with death so one of the things she does is she meets with families who have someone on hospice or are preparing to potentially have end-of-life care and she talks to them about what it's like to die what it's like in the in-between State what it's like just as you're about to pass over the things that she experienced and she tells them the things that the people might be able to see the people that might come to them the people or the things that they might be able to see in the Very Room that they're dying in and some helpful actions and words that those family members and loved ones can do to help a more for a more peaceful passing for that person so while she was in the initial astral plane during her near-death experience Penny saw a brick wall and the brick wall was everything that had ever held her back

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everything awful that had ever happened to her and some of the bricks were just bricks that she had put up herself to protect herself and shield things that she wasn't ready to combat and and deal with or recognize and Penny says quote the thing with wall building is while walls do keep people out they also keep you in you make yourself a captive and unwittingly become your own Jailer you limit all potential and so she said she has been working to this day one by one Brick by Brick to break down and chip away at this wall that she met in the actual plane and basically climb out of it to Freedom wow which to me feels a little bit like transcending The Human Experience right like finding absolutely finally acknowledging all the lessons your soul was supposed to receive and yeah I guess like accepting it in this lifetime

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living it being freed from it that is incredible isn't it not that I want anyone to experience a near-death experience but it sounds like it's yeah transcending experience so pennies take away from this whole experience is to do the best that you can with the people around you give Grace and understanding to those who come into your life help people when you're able to don't let your anger and your frustration or your resentment change your thoughts and how you interact with others obviously like protect yourself but but don't don't let it consume you show up in the worlds how how you want to and the number one most important thing is to not isolate yourself it can be really hard to socialize it can feel like a burden it can feel embarrassing to reach out to people and to ask for help but you must do it Penny says quote we're not here by

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accident I know this all seems chaotic and super scary and like it's all going to crash and burn but we're here right now and the timing of you being here right now is not an accident and so to end this I thought I would read the message that she received from God oh she has it she wrote it down on a computer uh on like a board doc or something and okay she read it in the documentary okay I guess this is a good time to remind everyone that you know take the message as you will it was a message that she was encouraged to share but obviously it was a message supposed to be for Penny as well applicable to her I'll try not to butcher this should I print it and put it sorry in my mirror yeah just say it every day it really does sound like a prayer so it does have some Catholic religious sort of elements to it okay okay here is the message that she received from God in the hospital room when he

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popped up and scared her such Folly to think anything escapes by knowing is when you were with me all at once all that I allowed you to know you knew no words were spoken nor were they shouted I whispered them into your spirit I discreetly filled you with knowing knowing flowed into you is effortlessly as taking a breath is this not so no truer words have ever been spoken or written The Great I Am is in your core The Great I Am is the light even when I am Hidden Still I am is my energy charge sending me over each synapse in your brain even though small fibers knew that I am they Rose and they fell to the Rhythm I created to the symphony I conducted I composed I consider a tragic comedy of arrogance when man denies what the smallest innervation knows man thinks he acts and moves outside of my knowledge how could it be so I say I Proclaim he

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does not his own fibers clutch themselves laughing at the idea I am the flower the wind the rain the sunu the marrow the rock the author the maker the touch that set in motion all that you see all that you know and all that you do not see or know I knit you I breathe in you I'm coded in every cell every nanosecond of time falls in Step as I will it so I am in you I am all even when you perceive nothing still I am there as I tell you this here and now pressing my truth into your breast your very heart presses it further in and that's the near-death experience of Penny whitbrought wow speechless this I know and like the fact that she heard this and was so taken by that message too just makes me think

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that it was kind of about her own faith right of not really knowing and being scared of this Godly being and also parts of this it's like The Great I Am is in your core The Great I Am is the light even when I'm hidden I am it kind of makes me think of a little bit of the theory that you and I have discussed where it's like what if we're all just chips of one giant Soul like yeah we are everything yeah each one of us is everything yeah or or just one one thing splintered into everything yeah I mean I think it was I can't remember what episode it was but I talk about Universal Consciousness and just this idea that like all of us together are the collective consciousness of the universe

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yeah I mean okay this is such an incredible story and I love it and I'm I'm so glad that Penny survived and is here and has these messages and has this beautiful outlook on life but it scares me because it get it brings up the question that I we shouldn't dive into too much because it hurts my brain but it brings up the question of free will like is there free will and how does that work because if God is everything and is in us and has nothing happens without God's intention and that God was able to show Penny the future and that future moment did happen and I believe that God probably also knew that despite Penny saying I'll stay here God knew that she would then change her mind because God knows the future and the future already exists and if I get see this is like I'm

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getting bogged in down and spiraling in these thoughts because it is confusing it is but then it's like you know going back to that movie everything everywhere all at once where it's like well if there's infinite choices Maybe maybe they didn't know but maybe this light being or God for for Penny didn't know exactly what would happen in this one scenario but then if they're all knowing God I don't know I keep thank God God whatever you believe in yeah yes it is so trippy and it's like this is why I love near-death experiences because there's some that we've talked about where people aren't Catholic you know like where they they have totally different religious views people who are Buddhist people who were did agnostic you know and each one is so different yet so similar yeah I mean I okay so I have a listener story

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about a near-death experience this is a perfect I will segue into it because it is a very different experience this is from our listener Amanda and it's called life flashing before your eyes or alternate outcome slash divine intervention and then Amanda sent two stories so in encounters 178 I will read part two of the story of the email um okay hello ghosties obsessed listener two times over I experience a lot of small spiritual things on a daily basis crows and ravens literally follow me and yell at me sometimes which okay this little tangent yesterday I saw a crow and I had this very spiritual moment where just I looked at it and it looked at me and I knew like in my heart of hearts that crows are I have a very deep connection with crows whether it's they're my

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Spirit guides or like my spirit animal or I was a crow or will be a crow or messages will communicate through me through crows I don't know but it makes so much sense because I've been so fascinated with them and I just had this moment with one yesterday you need to give it a gift so that it keeps coming back I'm gonna explore the crows and you can befriend them you must befriend the crows yeah I'm gonna be Moira the crowing or what is it called I think I think it was like or is it the crows have eyes yeah maybe I can't remember okay back to Amanda's story uh Amanda said mostly when I'm at work when I should be working but instead I'm daydreaming it's kind of funny actually I know the phone's going to ring before it does sometimes I know something won't go according to plan before it even happens my ears ring all the time and I know it's messages but I can't always understand what they are yet sometimes I

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just know what's trying to be said not like a voice is telling me or anything but more so like I just know the answer to the question that is being asked of me my gut feelings and thoughts of something's wrong slashing you to slow down a bit or change lanes while driving for example I was driving down the main Highway one day on my way to work and I had immediate thought pop in my head saying slow down so I did a few seconds later some jerk was flying by that I didn't see in my mirrors prior and he probably would have hit me had I not slowed down or I'm so glad that people get messages like this right it's like trust your gut especially if you're in the car seriously I see Angel numbers all the time and I have many other little experiences like that but anyway enough about me and on to the stories I have two spirit I have two stories that have been used apart the first being before my spiritual journey ever started okay this was July or August of 2015. I lived

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with my ex at the time outside of the city I live in which is Winnipeg Manitoba in Canada love that area let's call my ex Jake for this story my personal vehicle was broken down and Jake just so happened to have a spare vehicle but it was a standard not automatic manual for us Americans I'd never driven a standard in my life before so I had spent an hour or two watching YouTube videos explaining it yes silly I know and I went off driving to have a clear image of what I was driving I've attached a picture of what the car looked like it was a old 2000 Civic Jake is over six feet tall and I'm a short five foot two on a good day this car was lowered and had racing seats that you could not move closer to the steering wheel so I had to sit unfolded up beach towels and a couch throw pillow yes I know not safe this car was the definition of unsafe it

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had no working airbags either so now that the unsafe painted picture is complete I drove around all day I was perfectly fine no issues at all down the gravel roads into the city then back out into the country before I decided to go home I stopped to visit Jake's parents place that was located maybe eight to ten kilometers away from where he and I lived at the time after the visit on my way home I was going about 60 to 70 kilometers per hour down the gravel road that Jake and I had traveled multiple times a week I was maybe five minutes if that yeah I wonder what that speed is in miles per hour is it like 35 or something 37 yeah okay seems more appropriate yeah I was maybe five minutes if that away from my house when all of a sudden the back end fishtails out of nowhere and I lost control of the car not knowing how to correct losing control in a standard I just let things

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play its course the back end swung out to the left and the driver's door was heading towards a deep ditch going directly for the side of a culvert at a driveway this driveway had a metal fence chained closed at the entrance of the driveway so to have a visual of the story there's a photo below and it's an example of how the ditch that's driveway kind of looked minus the gate I instantly had this thought I'm done I'm gone I'm going to slam into the side of the driveway and that will be the Last of Me and then I remember thinking no this can't be it this is not how I will end I prayed to be saved but not to God or Jesus I just prayed to anyone that would hear me not even knowing if anyone or anything was listening all of a sudden at the very last second the back end of the car swings the opposite way essentially redirecting the vehicle which ultimately saved me from having direct impact to the side of the driveway and ditch to remind you I didn't know how to correct losing control while driving a standard vehicle so I didn't move the steering wheel at

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all I did not touch the brake or the gas honestly the might the car might have stalled out by this point I'm not sure the car ends up going half in the ditch and half on the driveway the front of the front end of the car got caught or impacted something forcing the car to stand on its nose end so I was staring down at the ground with the metal gate directly beneath the car and the car flopped down onto the other side of the metal fence teetering on the edge of the driveway on the opposite side of the fence I am now on this person's property with a chained gate between me and the road I was just on when the car stopped moving I got out and I was completely in shock crying having a panic attack crying having a panic attack and couldn't breathe it didn't really hit me until Jake's brother came to my Aid after calling him and not being able to get words out except for I'm on the route home and I had no actual injuries bruises on my knees from hitting the underside of

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the dash on impact and a bruise on my left shoulder from the seat belt that is it no cuts no scratches nothing but small bruises everyone says when it's a near-death experience or something of the sorts they see a lot they see life flash before their eyes or see an alternate outcome of what could have happened well I didn't really understand what that would look like until it actually happened when the car actually hit the ditch I swear I saw dirt water grass and glass flying around inside the car as if Windows had shattered and water and debris from the ditch were flying around me I also remember seeing it happening as if the car was rolling multiple times in the field of this property my Oppa on my mom's side had passed away in 2010 and the more and more I thought about it the more and more it didn't make sense as to what actually happened versus what my eyes saw after talking to my parents and letting them know what happened and that I was okay my mom said it was my Oppa watching

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I truly believed he saved me that day and I've come to the conclusion that me seeing all the debris flying around and seeing it as if the car was rolling was the alternate reality of what would have happened had I not had divine intervention saving me that's exactly what I was thinking Amanda attached photos said the third photo a chat is the actual car in the damages the part that I think started this chain of events to happen was my ex Jake had said that morning before he left me for work he said don't crash my car he jinxed it he was an a-hole anyway so I'm glad I told it his piece of [ __ ] car from Amanda Amanda thank goodness you are okay yeah that is so scary so scary so so scary and you know I'm terrified of dying in a car accident so of course I've read this story too that's terrify

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me even more but yeah I mean divine intervention and just seeing all of this stuff Flash before her eyes you know the visuals of what could have happened whether it's an alternate reality or or it's had someone not come in to help oh it's so it's so it's so strange it's like is it an alternate reality or is it a premonition or or is it okay what if it's this what if so oppa clearly came in and took control of the standard car and corrected the car but oppa knew to do that because he saw the future so what if because he was so close to her so close to Amanda in that moment that she like absorbed his seeing and the vision that he had which then prompted him to save her and so that's why she saw that because he was preventing what was coming that's cool just proximity wise

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she just got a little got some dust of being able to see the future through oppa wait I really like that that's so fascinating because then it's also like the idea of Amanda almost being in the astral plane momentarily because of this like intense fear and emotion and connecting to oppa spirit yeah yeah oh you're alive you're alive Amanda we're glad you're alive thank you for sharing this story with us and thank you to all of you for coming and hanging out with us come to our live show in New Jersey if you yes are in New Jersey come hang out come do the things support us love all the things hold our hands for the rest of time yeah spiritually or physically whatever you know here's my hand take it they're a little clammy but

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they're here for you yes and thank you so much to our editor Christina who is new to the two girls one ghost uh business but we're so grateful to have Christina our show crashing it yes thank you and we do hope to see you on this side but if we do not we will see you on the other side