The Cursed Wishing Well | Miracles, Misfortune & Dark Legends (Ep 247)

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very spooky hello I wish there was a ren Forest Cafe theme song I'm sure there is if we go back to the 90s what would it be they had to have some ads right I'm sure they did but we're now their advertisement yeah we are it all started in Minnesota when I walked through the Mall of America and I saw that there was a Rainforest Cafe rainforest cafes I thought had died years and years ago and it was really sad and I was depressed about it I saw the Rainforest Cafe and I said this is my greatest regret is not having enough time for us to go here Sabrina took that heart said I'll make

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sure we get to go to the one in Vegas being a good friend and then we were in San Antonio on the Riverwalk well no we were in a boat along the Riverwalk in a boat thank goodness for that boat tour CU otherwise we would not have known we wouldn't and we passed by the Rainforest Cafe and in silence without any words Sabrina and I just and look at each other and we knew when we got off that boat we were about to beine to Rainforest Cafe so on on our tour of 34 shows where we have zero downtime and on our very first evening off Karen and I decide we had we're in this really nice city of San Antonio we have so many amazing restaurants to go to and we chose the best option we went to the Rainforest Cafe and we have shirts to show for it and I have a a mug a glass do you still have your light up glass

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no RP I had a souvenir cup it was the children's cup it lit up it showed a reflection or not really a reflection but it like glowed the Rainforest Cafe logo on the ground but here's the thing it really wouldn't fit in my suitcase my suitcase was barely closing and I was like it's either Sven or the Rainforest Cafe cup so what what am I going to choose here and I really wanted to choose the cup we should have removed another limb I know we should have it didn't fit and then I was like that's okay like the reality is am I ever going to drink out of this plastic light up clup again every time we record I have a t-shirt though and that's what I will actually get great use out of okay well next time when we go in Vegas because we're still going in [Laughter] Vegas I honestly it was we needed that night because it was The Time Of Our Lives we had the best night ever I know and you were literally filming when when the thunderstorms would come on we were

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like little kids like Whoa We we were the only ones who clapped after the thunderstorm ended I was like guys this is amazing it was amazing animatronics and this is theater you're supposed to clap after a performance like that when we got in we sat down and they're playing like hits like today's hits and K and I asked our waitress we're like so do you guys still do the rainforest sound and she's like yeah every 30 minutes so you bet every 30 minutes we were ready we were ready we got to see them twice yeah we did we sat by the elephant we had a great time there were a lot of birthdays around us so we sang Happy Birthday to a lot of random people and it was a fun great awesome time we felt fulfilled we felt we felt alive again F alive and then we asked people to take pictures of us in front of the Rainforest Cafe we definitely got looks like oh okay interesting to we're we're

Inner child and witchcraft

almost middle-aged women Sabrina and we

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taking pics in front of the Rainforest Cafe but hey we have to remember what it was like to be eight because that was a great time yes and healing your inner child sometimes requires you to act like a child and you know what I have a question for you well this is you're the worst person to ask because I know you felt 30 for so long so I was watching shitz Creek and I've done so much therapy right like how do I word this into like a coherent thought but basically in shitz Creek there's an episode where they all go to the casino and what's her name Roland's wife oh oh my God I can't remember but yes I love her why can't we remember her name I don't know anyway Roland's wife has this like moment and she cuts her hair and she has this whole emotional moment where she talks about how she still feels like that 19-year-old inside like in her brain and in her heart and in her

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body but then she looks in the mirror and she's reminded that she's actually whatever age she is and I also have been on this like journey to find myself and then I've been reading a lot of things from people who are like you know celebrities who write Memoirs and they're like I didn't know who I was until I was 40 or I didn't know who I was until I was 60 and I kind of had this realization that we all we're just continuously trying to find ourselves and I think inside our hearts we're always younger than we actually are like we have this like joy and fulfillment and childlike self inside of us that we need to feed and we need to explore and it's like Parts if you've ever done Parts work in therapy you have your child you have your teenager you have your adult you have Karen I know your 30-year-old is very very bright and shiny inside of you because she's been there for years but yeah I'm like not relating to anything you're saying actually

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I've had the old lady inside me the whole time and not I'm like feeding the old lady I'm not feeding the child you fed the child at Rainforest Cafe yeah but I didn't I didn't feel like a little kid there I felt like I got to reminisce about a time that I was a kid but I didn't feel like I felt the whole time I was there I was thinking I can't wait to bring my future kids to Rainforest Cafe yeah but you're still enjoying it yeah well you can still enjoy things when you're getting older yeah of course but I mean like you're feeding like that energy still like if you're remembering your young self you're still feeding it but like yeah I think we are all an a magal of our ages yeah even if you're an old lady at heart I felt old for a long time I mean even when we do our shows people make us like friendship bracelets and you were putting on like jewels and stuff and you're like do you want some and I feel like it doesn't feel like me at all I feel like I'm cosplaying like I feel like I can't fit in anymore like I feel a lot older I don't know I just

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relate to like being older and so I feel like I'm faking things like I'm faking a youth that isn't within me if I had to do something like that we like if I see you with friendship races on and Jews I don't think like it looks normal but if I do it it feels weird yeah well that's you feel internally you feel weird you don't look weird you look great well I felt old for a very long time and that was a trauma response and so now I am Young just feeding my child yeah yeah well some of us have little old ladies in us some of us have little children that we have to feed it's so gross so creepy to say it that way we have little children we have to feed inside of us it's like a what were you referencing the other day at a live show tamagachi yeah yeah it's like feeding a tagachi it's like time time to feed your inner child well we're all feeding something and fueling something right right and we're also feeding our witchy powers

Introduction to water magic

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yes I just downloaded a couple of books to help get more in tune and this is actually I have to thank Ali Ward for introducing us to this person oh yeah it's a couple books by F Jed Parma we listened to their two-part witchology yeah series on the podcast allies yes so I downloaded elements of magic reclaiming earth air fire water spirit and the wi belongs to the world a spirit of becoming tell me how they are maybe I'll like an audio book because I want to start going on a lot of walks again once tour is over CU I'm creaky I can barely walk my hips the tight you and Spen yeah me and Sven we're losing limbs that's great I'm curious about that there was another book oh my gosh what is it called I'll remember it for the next episode that people kept talking about and I was like I need to read this and it seemed why am I going

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to talk about it Non-Stop and not actually know what it's called wait maybe I took a screenshot of it give me like two seconds okay because now I'm very intrigued oh I feel like everyone's gonna probably has read this except for me but I keep seeing it come up and it reminds me of Brian Weiss a little bit it's by Michael Newton who PhD and it's called journey of souls case studies of Life between lives and I really want to read that one oh that's so cool m I haven't read that we should read it together okay great why don't I start reading these ones out loud to you on the road okay oh I was thinking you're G to call me at bedtime and I'm just GNA fall asleep to it I could do that too I can record myself reading them and you can play them back I love that great plan great love it okay well with these and this is actually a great segue into today's episode so the first book that I talked about that I'm reading is

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elements of magic reclaiming earth air fire water spirit and I very much feel connected to water I will walk down to the beach and I put my feet in the water to ask it to take away any negative emotions and feelings similar to showers I think a lot of people like to cry in the shower because it's very cleansing and you feel like you're just like washing away all of that feeling so this episode is all about water and the healing powers of water it has a lot of religious connotations to this episode but it's also about a curse and this is the curse of St an's well so if you came to our shows our live shows in April Portland Maine and the New Brunswick New Jersey show you'll remember this we covered the curse of St an's well so water has power I think it's very healing it's full of magic and according to the Bible it has the

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ability to purify and provide Deliverance it can destroy evil and enemies so we must believe then that water is healing and good right right of course but then how why would this water this well or multiple Wells possibly provide curses to someone or many people it's so scary too because I think of a well as like oh it's the place to go to get fresh water to literally live to feed your body I think of Samara Samara of course I actually rewatched the ring on uh the plane home from Dallas oh did you I did I started watching Labyrinth for the first time ever and my God I'm gonna get through it because I feel like I'm supposed to but that is a weird ass movie I've never seen it I wouldn't I mean I think it's one of those ones where like it's a clo classic you have to watch it at a certain time period of your life and

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then you get obsessed with it but yeah you're not there it was weird I didn't like it is this your old lady coming out yeah I'm like the main girl she's so rude I didn't like her attitude just mean to everybody an expected help in return does that feel more natural for you it does than jewels on your face oh that girl I'm cranky you guys that's me minus five years for Sabrina add five years for me okay cranky Karen and Sassy Sabrina I don't know what else could I use I'm trying to think of one slippery salacious I don't know spooky Sabrina SP okay yeah that works spooky yeah apparently I'm creepy I freak people out

Story of Saint Anne

okay so just as a disclaimer this topic is really heavily rooted in cathol ISM but it is more of a historical story

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so I hope people do not feel offended by that or one way or the other it also has a lot to do with the reign of King Henry VII which I think is fascinating because I continue to be drawn to stories related to that time period I know why we need to do a past life raing yes okay so this is the curse of St an's well a well that healed and blessed those who stepped into her Waters a sacred pool with magical abilities but a well that suddenly turned from healing to cursing I'm going to begin with the story of St an an and her husband yoakim lived in Israel back in the first century BCE they go way back like early days before Christ they were well off and had many joys in life well worth celebrating but unfortunately they were unable to con ceive they were Barren and unfortunately

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during this time where religion was Reign Superior and the most important part of life being unable to conceive and have a child was considered a sin and yoakim and Anne had been married for 20 years and still had not conceived a child and they had been trying for a very long time so yeah that's what's hard the two of them went on a pilgrimage to a temple in Jerusalem and they approach the temple and there yoim makes an offering and communicates with the priest but the priest turns him away telling him that he would never have or see redemption or salvation because he and his wife were unable and still had not had a Child So that obviously destroyed this couple it was so heartbreaking not only are they already feeling inferior now they're being told by people who are who basically rule their world and say that they are not

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going to heaven that they are going to die sinfully because of this like that's heartbreaking yeah that's horrible I can't imagine shattering yeah the pain you would feel and as a couple do that puts such a strain because some people that makes them even closer because they're each other's safe space but then other people you know it's it's a hard thing to look at yourself and feel almost like a hatred towards yourself and then maybe that permeates over to your your spouse too you're like well maybe I wouldn't have this problem if you if it wasn't with you you know that's really tough it is and so that night Yim tore through the Bible basically looking for proof that their inability to produce he wanted it to be false he wanted what the priest said to be false but he found in the Bible it said all righteous people in Israel had children to raise which basically he interpreted if he did not have children he was not righteous so that next

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morning when an wakes up she finds she is alone yoim is gone she panics and she's like where could he have gone the last 24 hours had obviously been very hard for both of them but yoim doesn't just disappear like that's so unusual for him right She searches for him for days days she asks for help nothing she's told and she has to believe that yoakim is dead and so now she's a childless widow heartbroken mourning the loss of the only person she's ever loved yoim her best friend her husband an put her wedding gown on and took to the top of a hill she sat beneath a willow tree and wept for the loss of the love of her life her tears flooded her face cascading down her cheeks she prayed and prayed and prayed she asked for guide guidance asked for understanding poor

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girl and as she was sobbing into her hands she suddenly became aware that she was not alone something's watching her someone or something was there with her she didn't feel frightened she felt like this presence was calming and very strong so she looks up and she sees an angel which I'm not sure because you and I talked about this a lot a lot of times Angels appeared in a very terrifying a manner they don't look white and glowy they look almost like scary and terrifying so they're not like the elves from Lord of the Rings they're like Pan's Labyrinth creatures typ of creature yeah so she sees this Angel and this Angel tells her you will give birth to a child a child who will be a servant to God and then an obviously like wait what hello and all of a sudden this Angel disappears so she can't ask any

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questions and she's in shock and before she can fully process what she had experienced she sees two more Angels appear these two angels have different news they tell her yoim is not dead because as it turns out that evening when yoim had been told turned away and read the Bible and believed that he was going to die sinfully he chose to run away and go into the desert alone where he planned to fast for 40 days and 40 nights prayer being his only sustenance prayer being his food and water I know that this is totally unrelated and doesn't well it's not unrelated but it doesn't really matter but I do Wonder Maybe if there's anyone who studied the Bible out there or is a theologist is there a word for like a group of angels because group kind of seems like you know we're thinking of angels as being human but are they human I don't think they are so what do we call them yeah a gagle gagle of

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angels clearly it is a gaggle the word just came it must be it must be gaggle of angels not a group not a flock but a gaggle of angels descended from the heavens a gaggle of angels wait did I tell you so I had a bunch of our girlfriends over here a couple weeks ago and my neighbor left me a voicemail the next day and it was like I saw the gaggle of girls coming over last night all blondes and I was like they weren't all blonde but it was just very funny blond there's one brunette there were two there's two there were two there's two so basically yes yoim goes off into the desert to survive off of prayer but he didn't tell Anne that he was just like Anne fell asleep I'm going to get up and disappear and while he was praying in the desert while his poor wife thought he was dead and an was praying underneath this Willow Tree

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separate angels visited both of them so that one told an that she was pregnant and another went to yoakim and told him the same news and told him an is pregnant with your child obviously yoim was like what say what say what you got to be my dick right now this Sorry God this is the modern day interpretation of St an and yoim if people learned this way they would remember things better oh my gosh we're being so sacriligious right now people who have listened to our podcast know that K and I both grew up in the Catholic church so there is a lot of Catholic guilt deep down inside of me somewhere I think she is with that little child of me and I'm trying to separate the two of them I'm feeding my inner child and not the the Catholic guilt yeah I don't have the guilt I have Catholic like anger I got that

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part okay so yoe and an reunite and they find out sure enough Ann is pregnant hooray hooray oh my gosh go yoe and an this is awesome yeah I am kind of like did they ever discuss the like you know yoe just disappearing in the middle of the night and having to make poor an feel like he was dead for so long I want the drama I want I want to know what the arguments were I want the tea although I feel like it's kind of hard to even focus on that part when you've literally had Angels descend and speak to you you're like okay I understand there's some weird things going on so maybe let's just focus on what's right in front of us and that's us having a baby yeah let all put the difficult conversations aside for the baby I guess sure you know what maybe that was not the most important part of the story but my psychological interest self is like yeah maybe they did have the conversation and just didn't make it in

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the final editing because they were like this isn't about them this is about right you're right a higher power and this is about their child so yoe and an give birth to a beautiful young girl this baby girl they named Mary and Mary she went on to really make a name for herself so much so that we still talk about her to this day and no I know you're thinking Mary J blig it is not Mary J BL oh my God my mom is gonna cackle at that joke she loves Mary J oh that was good Sabrina thank you I'm I love when you laugh at my jokes there's no better feeling we've been on tour so you're getting the quickness is coming into our podcast like where can I insert a joke how can I make Ken

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Laugh Mary J plge no this is Mary Virgin Mary the

Curses of Saint Anne's well

Virgin Mary so this is the same Mary who went on to have the immaculate birth of Jesus Christ Q hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah hallelu God bless you save my soul save my soul the timing of that was spooky I know my soul is just coming out of me it is interesting that I feel like I was missing that part going through CCD that Mary's own parents also experienced angels and kind of like Immaculate Conception yeah to a point but it seems like it was just like the first time ever and Mary's this special chosen one but it kind of seems like it's a it's a familial thing it's the lineage it is the lineage and clearly the spirits the Angels God needed Mary in order to continue this m Immaculate birth and all of that which then makes me wonder like

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how predetermined everything is you know yeah do we have any free will what is Choice and then it's like Mary's Child also saw and communicated with angels like where did it if Jesus had procreated and maybe he did and we don't know does that person see Angels you either get the hatman or you get Angels right but then also a lot of people who claim to see angels are like told that they're mentally ill or back in the day were accused of being witches so it's interesting the choices and the selective opinions of many of these people okay but so Mary she gives birth to Jesus and becomes a very prominent figure in Catholicism and an actually becomes very prominent as well because she becomes a saint and by 15 CE the story of an is very in the zeitgeist her story of conceptions very well known her kindness

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her grace her Serenity there's a lot of debate about an there are some texts about her that were banned because there was no way to prove the parentage of mother Mary but either way like a lot of people really loved an and like what she stood for in this like motherly and calm Serene presence so there's this sect of or faction of Catholicism that kind of took to an and really became enthralled with her which then earned her her sainthood and at the rise of St Anne's notoriety there was also political frictions that began so a lot of people fled Israel for the European countries to seek Haven and with them they brought their love of St an she became one of the most adored symbols of Catholicism relics that people were claiming belong to an were popping up all over Europe

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parts of her body and bones were showing up too which I have a lot of questions about because yeah shouldn't that be a sin no desecrating the bodies of anyone especially someone who you consider a saint unless it's Fen to make room for a Rainforest Cafe cup he desecrated his own body he lost a limb along the way that was his choice well the thing about her parts of her bones showing up it's like one how could you verify it this is so far back in day yeah they can't like DNA test the bones and then also this cathedral St Francis sh Cathedral claims to have had Ann's severed head on display and I'm like well why was her head severed also why do we keep doing this I feel like when I go into churches in other countries there's often times some sort of body that's preserved and on display and do we need to do that do we yes the answer is yes so I'd like to skip that part and leave people wherever

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they want Ken we have to talk about we had listeners at was it the Charleston show who we met that they were like yeah we keep finding bones in our backyard oh my gosh yeah sweet but there was something else that happened too was it just that their house was super haunted oh the person who sold them the land was also really sketchy right yes there was a bunch of weird stuff so we're like is this a haunting or are you about to solve like a Cold Case so it was a mom and a daughter they found in the daughter's bedroom when they moved in in the closet was like weird like bondage things and a dead chicken yes yes like the corpse of a chicken like a rotisserie chicken bones left over yeah if you're listening can you let us know if anything's happened yeah we need updates weren't they in contact with the oh no it wasn't the place they were working with like a local they were working with someone who was going to identify the bones like it was someone

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in the medical field yeah if they were human yes yeah they looked human I mean what do I know but they were like they were big it looked like the tibia and then they were like almost like um spinal bones yeah yeah unless there's like horses in the area just dying in the backyard I don't know but it was big that would have had to be a big ass dog if it was a dog yeah anyway so similar to our listeners finding bones apparently people finding an's phones all over Europe which is weird because at least to my understanding and in researching this an was never in Europe so I don't know all of this is to say is that an was a very big deal and by the 14th century she was everywhere and is and was a saint that represented love mercy and healing which is where the well comes in the well and many other bodies of water because like I said in the beginning water has magical powers

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and the belief in Healing Springs pools Etc has existed in many different religions far beyond just Christianity so all over the world there were bodies of water pools oceans rivers lakes Wells Etc that were said to have the ability to heal but with those potential blessings also came a fear so there's one story about Ann's helpful Aid amongst the rain this comes from the infamous Martin Luther who when he was 22 years old in 1505 he found himself caught in a truly terrible thunderstorm he couldn't see he was out alone by himself he was terrified that he was going to die so he is walking through this thunderstorm trying to find safety and decides to pray to St an and he's begging her to keep him safe and he promises that if she saves him he would join the monastic life wow he made it out alive within the

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next few months he kept his promise he kept his word and became a monk there's some other stories related to different bodies of water there was a pool in V FR MOA that was dedicated to an and believed to heal infertility another body of water in the French city of Brie was dedicated to an and said to heal ailments related to eyes and throats and they had erected this statue of St an up on a hill overlooking the body of water I'm just curious about what the like eye and throat thing has to do with an because the infertility curing infertility makes sense for her and her story but the other one seems kind of random I think she just had healing like she was a very healing soul okay I don't know necessarily but here is a statue of St an up on a hill overlooking the body of water so when people go into this water and they ask for healing powers from St an they look up at her kind of like praying to her one man decided he

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did not believe in this power and he decided to mock an uh so he goes up to the Statue and turns it so that instead of it facing the water and looking over the water it is turned away from the water instantly he is struck blind and simultaneously the waters turn to blood what so she cures eyes but she also takes them too yeah this is very Brothers Grim right like this is the original silenda sarenda Cinderella Story I kind of like sarenda though silenda it'll be our our Off Broadway version okay everything turns into a musical over here yeah we have theater

The curse of Liverpool well

in our hearts so stories like this are becoming more and more common not only

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here but any body of water that is said to be blessed by St an many people who are mocking or coming with ill intent are not being blessed but are ending up cursed instead interesting so you get out what you give correct basically it amplifies whatever is within you yeah definitely it's just interesting to me to think that it's St Anne herself actually choosing to curse someone when you hear her story and how much pain she went through and all the good that she did with her life it is interesting that she would instill any harm upon people right but who knows because it's I'm almost thinking I always go back to this as an example because it's the first time I'd ever heard of it the bell witch cave and how a woman died the neighbor and all of the Angry and spiteful pieces of this woman ch kipped off and festered and created what is the Bell so

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it's the representation of this woman and like a version of her but it's definitely not her and it's such a small fragment yeah of who she was so I also wonder if like there's something in the sainthood of an where like her body split and separated like her soul and all of the good and amazing stayed there and it was healing and it was cured but then all of the anger that she had and resentment and fear through all of the hardships of her life also stayed SE yeah and that is what feeds on the people who come with ill intent it's very possible it also is very possible that there are just some evil people out there MH because there's also this well that was dedicated to St an in a town in Wales and they decided to harness the cursed rather than the healing properties of this well that's bad it is they invited people to come to the well and for a very small fee just three toes and all of your life savings

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that's not actually what they asked for but that's what I'm imagining they would able you to write the name of your enemy on a stone and lower it into the well while uttering a curse that you wish upon your enemy the people who you were cursing would befall those horrible curses that were wished upon them and never know why in some more fortunate cases if you learn learned that your enemy had cursed you at the well you could you could undo the curse if you pay a small fee I feel like this became just like a money like someone right figured out how to make a lot of money off of this I know I'm also hoping there was an age restriction on this too because I'm just like picturing everyone in middle school and high school who gets in a fight with like their best friend and they're like you I'm going to the well yeah yeah it's an emotional time I think think Beyond middle school and high school like people were just

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cursing each other back and forth at this well like truly yeah it was almost like okay let's just say picture this Karen and I are in a battle I don't know why and you decide to curse me Ken so you go to the well you put my name on a brick and you lower it into the well and you mutter a curse well then I hear you did that so I'm going to go and I actually am going to combat that curse I'm going to pay my small fee and actually put a curse on you and then you hear that and then you go and put a curse back on me and we go back and forth back and forth back and forth this is what people were doing and that person is like I am rich exactly chilling at the well making money so this was happening over and over and the well was so filled with curses and people would continue to curse one another that it became so evil and so malicious that finally I don't know who but someone took matters into their own hands and decided to cover the well and planted potatoes covering it in soil to

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prevent any other cursing oh that's nice but do the potatoes then contain the curse like is that food if you consume it does it have the curse within it I don't know maybe it was more taking that power the like intense energy in there and putting it into something good which is yeah feeding people feeding people yeah so it's interesting because aside from that one well where people were like cursing each other back and forth every other story I read and or like bodies of water where like people did get cursed it was only those who were wronging her so people who wronged her it was like a defensive thing like don't mock me don't belittle me kind of thing right well and also not to get too like biblical here but like we question why an would do something bad but there's so many examples of it throughout the Bible and that we learn in Catholicism where it's like someone's eyes get plucked out

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someone's child is killed because their dad didn't do something you know like there is still fear and like you have to follow my orders as I lay them out yeah yeah you're right well there's one last well that was dedicated to St an that I would like to talk about this is the curse of St Anne's well in Liverpool England and this is where King Henry VI comes in so as The Story Goes during The Reign of King Henry VII there was a small priy on Elton head Farm in Liverpool it was a very large plot of land but the monks had built a small Monastery where just 12 monks lived so basically they weren't using a ton of this land but at the edge of the property was this well or pool belonging to St Anne and it was said to have healing properties and then just beyond that border of this land lived a wealthy man named Sir Thomas bold Sir Thomas bold had a house manager named Hugh Darcy and bold was never really on his

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land that often so Hugh Darcy very much took it upon himself to manage this property and almost felt like it was his own Darcy for some reason had some grudge against the religious men and began arguing over the property lines claiming that bold's estate actually went into that of the monks and so this guy Hugh Darcy is like blaming the monks for stealing his boss's land and then it became this Feud the monks were like let's just not let it get to us they kept their heads down and they continued to work they invited people anyone who needed help or shelter or food or any kind of healing into their walls and they took care of them that's lovely they would show these people down to the well and allow them to step inside of it for the healing properties this well was a Sandstone pool 4 feet deep and 5 and 1/2t wide so like a hot tub size okay it was said

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that St Anne herself had visited this well in her life even though she never left Jerusalem so I don't really know but visitors were suggested to make a donation to St Anne and toss one coin into the water before slowly stepping into it and receiving St Anne's blessings it was known to be a very powerful site but unfortunately Hugh Darcy would not let this dispute over land go and finally he got what he wanted because one day there was a knock on the monastery door two men stood outside holding a decree that stated that these two men were to seize the entire property on the king's orders and then this is also if you remember the Tower of London or the Ulin episode King Henry VII when he wanted to marry Amin he ended up severing the ties with the Catholic church and basically wiped out monasteries throughout the realm so like it became a very very tur

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time with the crown versus religion right because he was writing whatever rules served him he wanted right with like yeah I want to get married now I don't want to be married now I need this and now I need another wife and now I need to kill my wives yeah yes so these monks are devastated because that means they're going to lose St an's well and the head monk father Delan he knows he knows Darcy is behind this and he goes to the well and he is basically you know mourning and he's there and he sees Hugh Darcy standing there smug and father Delaine is like I know it was you and he curses Darcy he calls upon St Anne and the power of her well father Delane asks that his greedy rival would never be able to enjoy the Propet of his sinful actions Darcy laughs and turns to walk

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away and is like haha father Delane utters his final words and immediately lets out a gasp and drops to the ground and dies so his final actions were to curse this man and he invoked all the power within himself and within St an and basically gave up his life to make sure that this other man Hugh Darcy would never enjoy the land that he stole that is that's Petty but that's also kind of awesome at the same time like I don't wish that to happen on anyone else but I do understand like the pure aner of like your whole life all of your land which was like everything back then yeah being ripped away from you hell yeah I'm sure he also didn't know he was about to die doing this too no I don't think so either and also like he's devastated his entire life like this place that he

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lived is now gone I imagine it was a very emotional moment for him as well right so father Delane dies and shortly afterward Sir Thomas bold does take over the land including St Anne's well and Hugh Darcy watches on greedily but Hugh Darcy is never able to enjoy his sinful prophets because months later Darcy's son fell ill and died which is really sad that it went on to other people yeah his son's cause of death was unknown Darcy's finances plummeted and then that boss that he acquired all this land for fires him and Darcy's at a bar one night drinking his sorrows and never makes it home the next morning guess where he is found in the well his wife found him lying Dead at St an's well his head crushed oh my God ew do we know what it

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looks crushed by I don't know I was just thinking like was this Supernatural where like his head imploded or did someone like take a shovel to his head you know that was kind of my question yeah human or Spirit just picture like a dear David Benton head yikes It is believed the curse of St an's well got him after all and I mean a lot of these stories especially this well was believed to be a myth because records of this story didn't appear until nearly 300 years after the supposed curse of Darcy but then recently this narrative shifted a little bit because in 1976 an archaeological Society studied this site and discovered what did they discover a 4 foot deep about six foot wide pool no it's real there it is I know I

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can see the bottom of it but the way that the steps lead down in the angle of that photo it almost looks like it would just keep going and you like walk down into the underworld yeah well dang well well well well well well that is the story of the

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curse slash also the like blessing of St an and St an well dang dang not a place that's on my bucket list to visit let's just say that no there's a lot of other holy places people can go to ftim of Portugal If you're looking for some good vibes in water or I don't know basically anywhere except for there right yeah it is interesting like anytime we talk about the Paranormal or like magic and Powers there is good and bad and everything can be used in one way or the other you and I Karen very much believe

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in the use of things in a positive and good way and not to manipulate them or use them for your own like sick perverse benefit but there are a lot of people who would prefer to do things in a quick fix situation which might mean cursing someone don't curse people please yeah just don't it's so please everybody you never know what's going to happen and also I don't know if this you know I think the people that are in a place where they do want to curse someone just saying don't curse of one is not the best deterrent it's not accurately going to work so maybe maybe this will scare you enough you don't know what's going to come back for you you might curse someone and drop dead just like that guy did when he cursed the person who took his land and his well I always think back to that one listener story we read where oh my God I know exactly what you're talking about it was like her uncle's wife like or ex-wife or something like that cursed him and she

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like started losing her hair and like all these terrible things happened to her uncle but the woman who had supposedly cursed him also had some terrible like really really gross like unfortunate things happen right there's power to your words there's power to the energy that you put out there seriously just try to have good vibes fake it till you make it then you might be better off on the other end just mind your own business you know like mob and also if someone pisses you off have a conversation communication's great yeah or just like take three days yeah even two days I feel like almost every time I get pissed about something if I wait two days it's not a big deal anymore yeah and also if someone like doesn't treat you well then like be like hey I don't want you in my life good riddens goodbye no protect your peace distance yourself from that person yeah and don't curse them no okay I have

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a listener story that's not exactly about cursing but I felt like it was adjacent enough that I'm going to read it okay for this episode hi Karen and Sabrina I just started listening to your podcast on Spotify I really enjoy that you stress the fact that you're not experts we still do yeah it's refreshing to be listening to these stories from fellow sensitive individuals that don't Lord their Superior knowledge over others so thank you very much for that but that's not what this email is about you want stories background I'm a 31-year-old medium and hedge witch who has been practicing the lad for over 22 years now and still learning something new each day the mediumship part I figured out in high school but had been having experiences since early childhood I lived in San Bernardino County in California and I grew up in sananta Monica California I lived in Georgia I moved back to Santa Monica and then finally I moved to Maplewood New Jersey in September of 2021 for work do you know where that is no but I love that it

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was Santa Monica in New Jersey where uh yeah you did the opposite yeah interesting they write I love it here lots of good vibes from the spirits that I do interact with oh I must have been about 2 or three for my first communication experience my mom was asleep my dad was at work my sister was at school I sat in the living room of our first home in the early '90s a little yellow house in San bernardina and I heard my name being called in a deep guttural whisper on the Wind oh my name was called three times and I got a chill up my spine Flash Forward I'm about 5 years old my grandpa's having a routine checkup at the VA he was a CMS in the Air Force we are at a wishing well and there I made my very first prediction which in 5-year-old logic made sense the way I was putting it I wished that he could live but that he didn't have his head my reasoning when my grandpa chastised me for my wish was that this would be safer for him in

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early 2001 he had a stroke and then found out he had a few brain tumors he died of a heart attack later that summer after a second stroke in the cancer spreading to his spine and lungs but even though he couldn't really walk or remember who we all were walked to the couch in the family room and watched his last sunrise at the same time my birth parents still had custody of my sister and I we lived in the home with negative energy a small motel room and all of the worst Spirits seemed to be attracted to us later on in the years it would appear that both my sister and I created PK manifestation Poltergeist my father seemed to attract the most of it though as an abor individual we dealt with scratches sleep paralysis being pushed when we were alone and the constant sensation of being watched jeez my time there was a blur until when I was about 14 years old I moved from San Bernardino to Santa Monica my oldest brother adopted me I

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call him dad and we lived a Wonderful Life across the street from a six- foot underline of Freemason section of wood Lawn Cemetery do you know where this is yeah nice okay I walked past the cemetery all the time over time I started to enjoy it there and would walk through it to get home sometimes I would stop and I would have some tea I would read I would write a poem it was peaceful during the day during the day there wasn't a lot of activity but it still had a Stillness to it even when the police canines were playing fetch in there that's so cute I know it's so cute there was still a silence that fell over the place funny enough it was also always the first part of town to get foggy at night despite us being a mile from the coast for a long time that part of Santa Monica was mostly rival gangs and theyd used the summer to assassinate members of other gangs what oh god there

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was a lot of violence especially in the corner closest to the college that wasn't the only weird thing happening in the cemetery though occasionally you'd see or hear women weeping over Graves under a tree in the south side of the cemetery where the ivy didn't grow as thick over the fences the cops that were stationed inside the cemetery would leave before 3:00 a.m. and not return until sunrise though they still wouldn't lock the gate either some times you'd get followed SL a temporary attachment I was lucky enough to have one of these some tall guy who just wanted to watch me sleep for a few days before he went back to the cemetery interesting I know casual maybe they were like this person seems less chaotic than what I see in the cemetery let me just go home with them for a little watch them sleep yeah just something nice and peaceful and predictable someone's sleeping but personal experiences in Santa Monica I have a few I had a friend a fellow witch and Goth who I used to hang out with in the cemetery and talk with and drink tea

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with she was less cautious than I was she had this great idea to go into the cemetery at night and have a seance and try to record an EVP Sabrina this sounds like something you would make me do you know I would not do it alone like I would make sure people were with us who knew what they were doing yes yeah but these people do know what they're doing they're both witches that's true four of us went in through the south gate on 14th Street three blocks from home we walked past the mausoleum really more of a gate that went to a staircase leading into the pitch dark even in the day and that gate always gave me the chills even in the daytime I would avoid it we walked further in and we started hearing the tinkling of bells which had long since not been used on Graves and the laughter from what sounded like a little girl is the Bell like the ringer I wonder like the people decorate the gravestones with the bells or is this like the dead ringer thing where like they would attach the Bell to a string

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that was attached to someone's finger so if they woke up and were accidentally bued alive it would ring I wonder if it's evolved into like a Decor thing now yeah or like symbolic I don't know because I I don't think they still do the dead finger ringer I know creepy okay and the laughter from what sounded like a little girl it was very very rarely ever actually a child if there's a haunting involving one see demon we walked past the Freemason section of the cemetery and we touched the plaques I remember feeling the way that people felt in life it was highly unpleasant we wrap all the way around to the frontmost side of the main building and go towards the corner where supposedly a girl jumped the fence and got hit by a bus that she was trying to catch this is wild that this is all right down the street from me I know right we started the Seance and my eyes grew heavy next thing I know I'm waking up in the cemetery alone at just after 3:00 a.m. I fumble around and I find my

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glasses and I look at this big marble wall of plaques for all the interred there and as I'm looking up at it it pulses like a heartbeat the entire wall is beating like a heart I hear a whisper that just says run as I'm getting up the giggles come back I'm dashing past the Elk Lodge melum where the white roses look like they're rotting and turning brown and my heart is racing as I'm trying not to step on the stones the woman is just behind the main building the cops are gone and I'm dashing for the gate that we came in the only one open at night I hear the screeching of tires in the thunk as I get to the sidewalk I spent the rest of the night in a cafe with another friend freaked out and I started learning how to protect myself after that one of the next things that happened to me that was significant was I was at my friend's house over by the high school and she and I were talking all night on on top of her garage she was talking about how her house needed to be blessed a few times a year and none of us would ever

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go into her house I went inside once and the atmosphere was just heavy like it dragged the air out of your lungs jeez but we were talking about our experiences and three deep Cuts opened up on my right arm I was startled but luckily it was easy to stop the bleeding the cuts healed a couple days later but I made sure not to go back to her house past midnight ever again but back to that old friend from the cemetery she started getting into some weird after we graduated high school her boyfriend became agitated more easily around this time oh jeez I was her research assistant for her witchcraft supply shop whoa that sounds cool wow I would look up spells and craft the supply kits necessary for her clients and I got some great spell resources at this time for more peaceful magic and even some herbalism please share I want to know everything me too but each and every time I visited them her boyfriend would become more and more agitated and

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they both became more and more ill they got swine flu and I brought them some tea that I had made for them using some holy water and she started to feel better but her boyfriend got sicker and he would complain about how the tea burned we stopped talking eventually after that and he did get better and he was grateful some years later when our paths crossed again at a local park which also had a dark history to it but those ghosts I see whenever I visit are from witnessing a murder of a friend there so any Readings By Me For That Park would be unreliable oh my gosh jeez around 2010 my friends and I got high in our friend's garage and we decided hey you know what's a great idea let's have a seance we used candles a mirror and a piece of concrete from a demolished building nearby called The Haunt this was naturally a bad idea since my friend's garage was also filled with various occultt symbols he was heavily researching the history of alchemy and found it fascinating so middle of the

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night a bunch of idiots who had less ability to keep walls up SAS protected and a seance what could go wrong oh my gosh well our buddy CJ passed out and something took the form of a little girl and was just hovering over his passed out body giggling what the Giggle was very familiar it was from a previous night he was knocked out and this thing was rather intent on getting him I stayed up all night watching to make sure that he was okay and the next day he felt a little sick but he was all right and I would see that girl in my nightmares for weeks until I went back there and cleansed the space and then I destroyed as many sigil as I could find I moved to Georgia in 2012 and left 2 years later the house I lived in was also my exes whose entire family was gifted so this is a whole other chapter of stories basically when when you have one sensitive they can act as a beacon when you have one beacon in a place that's easier to handle however if you

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put seven sensitive psychic mediums in a house in the woods in the South yeah things get a little hectic yeah things started off pretty easy there nothing crazy crazy we would just see this little girl with blue lips on the roof of the patio and there would always be this light in the woods behind the house oh this poor girl then when we went into the house to explore in the daytime there would be no house no cabin no anything there what I'm like my heart is pounding the headstones at the local cemeteries were old and made of slate abundant in that area I would walk daily unless there was a storm and would occasionally just pass through the woods Tall Pine trees coated in Vines one day I walked into a little clearing of overgrowth with slate headstones unknown unmarked besides the stones and just near the corner of someone's property in an area that used to be a Plantation not hard to imagine what these Graves were there for that location came up with a very peaceful

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Vibe no Spirits at unrest luckily the driveway we had at the house was long and passed through the woods one night at around 3:00 a.m. because we were smart we took the trash down there were eyes peering at us from the woods multiple and we thought to ourselves maybe some raccoons but we shined a MAG light down there and we saw no animals whatsoever we turned off the flashlight and the eyes were back then we saw one blink we got that trash can down to the curb and we ran back up the driveway as fast as we could so yeah this house had a lot of energy it was a new construction that sounds familiar and this was the first family to live there so no chances of murders or violent deaths on the property just the fact that everyone there was a beacon and most didn't know how to protect themselves unfortunately this means that there were a lot of spirits and I mean a a lot most of them would show themselves as shadow people and it started to seem like they weren't quite actually shadow

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people but like they were being controlled and made to present themselves that way not uncommon when a place has a lot of spiritual activity and bad energy the youngest sibling of my ex seemed to be the most affected me being the more experienced medium in the house it came to me to do my walkthrough which didn't take long and to talk to her she had us paint her entire bedroom black because otherwise there was always this feeling on the ceiling of seeing something looking at her she was waking up with scratches and bruises she was barely eating or sleeping and when she did sleep she would wake up screaming in the middle of the night how did they keep doing like why would they stay here well cuz your house poor you buy a house you have no money how do you leave GL no I know it just I feel so sad oh no it's almost like I don't know drive to a friend's house and sleep in a tent outside or like even just sleep in a tent outside of this house I guess maybe not but there's eyes and the looking at them I know other dangers then I guess yeah I worked my magic I banished whatever hell that thing was from the

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house but even that didn't stop the issues I wound up doing a deeper dive and finding a portal so portals are exactly what they sound like but they often look a little different depending on the location the perspective of the individual and the source of the portal whatever the source was this one felt reflective which is great because it was on the opposite wall of a mirror mhm during the next cleansing of the house the activity got bad pictures would fall off the walls the cats were freaking the out and the faucets would turn on on their own jeez I had to have the younger siblings leave the house for a bit while my ex and I took care of business what a little witchy power Duo seriously a family of witches basically just banishing these Spirits like everyone who's dating the family also witches so cool yeah I made my way through the property cleansing it and I sealed the cleansed space with crystals planted in the woods at the edges of the property and one in the center of the

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property with a seal carved into it stage one was done the bad spirits had been banished the portal started closing on its own with nothing to feed it and keep it open next we worked on closing that portal completely as to avoid any further issues that was a relatively easy process being medium you get a sense of the spirits some of them will show themselves to you there was a lovely little hat which originally was cast in a shadow that started to lighten up more and more until it presented itself and it was an orange tabby the positive Spirits were more than welcome to stay but most moved on after the activity subsided the next thing to do was to get those that created poltergeists to therapy so that they could give those less power when I left Georgia the house was much more Serene and secure the flowers grew in the garden again and no Shadows were in sight wait I love that before I left however oh no oh no oh gosh I did a few

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walkthroughs and cleansed the other properties and one person's house had an entire hallway and Atrium filled with mirrors yeah that's not the best idea their kids had played Bloody Mary and thought that they'd invited something in however it was their mother who was walking in the woods one day and accidentally brought in a haunted object that she found by the river note if you see something by the river in the woods where you normally wouldn't see something like this and you feel compelled to bring at home just don't okay I gave the results and suggestions on what could be done and they didn't do any of it she got sick a few years later I moved back to Santa Monica after that and being so open I helped friends deal with their problems that they would have I'd walk down the streets and I'd always feel like I needed to run home at night it was just toxic in that neighborhood where I lived but I managed to be there for a few years after that I moved here to New Jersey and I haven't had a lot of

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experiences and haven't needed to do anything too extreme I've had a banishing and ceiling in my house at the foundation in the basement due to an inhuman spirit being present okay well that's something that's massive I know ever since my housemate and I did that this was her first lesson we have been able to go back in the basement at night before then it was terrifying and I would refuse to go down there after Sunset hell I was scared to go down there during the day I always felt watched and in danger there until one day when whatever the heck that thing was showed itself in its mangled form after that black salt sigil crystals satchels and whatever else could be thrown into a spell bag to keep that place safe I live on the top floor of the house just under the attic and after that banishing there wasn't too much activity but occasionally I will hear some footsteps above me my cats will freak out at night staring and hissing into the darkness this is all the stories I can remember right now but if I recall more I will gladly gladly send

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them also happy and I'm going to butcher this but this will be a learning moment for me lugas said and happy new moon today is a great day for cleansing and smudging warst for cards Violeta or vieta vieta Violeta what the hecka what the hecka this is so wild too because it's like it all started almost like when they were 5 years old and they made a wish and that wish was basically like a premonition it was like an intuition you wish in the well that your grandpa doesn't have a head because something in you knows his head is hurting him and his head is going to be the thing that kills him and then he has cancer and then from there they just encounter like Darkness after Darkness troubled Souls yeah oh my gosh I can't even imagine having that much just surrounding you constantly I feel like I'd never leave my house well well even in your house you're not safe yeah it's true but it's wild how much the cemetery nearby you

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has too I know I I should walk by it and see if I feel anything but it's also fascinating I think vietta and I'm sorry if I'm saying your name incorrectly but like we've heard stories from people who have powers like this and it becomes so overwhelming and consuming and it's hard because there are all these dark things that continue to pop up there are all these people who end up needing your help and there are all these Spirits making themselves known to you but I feel like this was a beautiful version of how you can coexist and how you can make sure your space is safe yes and yes they might appear and yes they might continue to appear and show up in different ways in new places and there's always a way to protect yourself yes there is also I am so confused by when they were in that house in Georgia MH and and like they would see the eyes in the tree lines and then when they would use a MAG light there was nothing but the second the flashlight was off they

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saw things because usually seeing eyes means the reflecting off of light like when you use a flashlight usually is when you would see like the reflection of the eyes so it's so creepy it is it's like whatever that was had the ability to cloak itself or disappear or something only exists in dark I don't know this is the thing it's like we know nothing about anything right yeah we know nothing because there's always going to be a million more examples that go against whatever we think as soon as we're starting to figure it out yeah I would love to have a lesson from vieta vieta I know on protecting ourselves from Darkness because yeah you don't need a well to curse you sometimes there's just things around you that are bad and you got to keep yourself protected and safe yeah agreed wow and now I'm GNA like walk around Santa Monica with such a different lens how many spirits are

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walking amongst you that you don't even realize well technically everywhere no matter where you are there could be spirits around you all the time I know but if you walk through the cemetery it sounds like there's going to be a a lot more than normal yeah well I'll go check it out take some pictures yeah please do walk by it it's like8 miles away I looked it up great great well everyone thank you for coming back again for another episode of two girls one ghost we love you you can show your love in a variety of ways you can rate and review us on iTunes you can tell friends about it word of mouth is so important you can also visit our website for a variety of other ways we have links to our patreon links to merch we have one weekend of the live show left or are we done do we I don't know let me look does this come out the day of our last show yeah we're done you guys we're done 34 shows Dawn that's so wild wild well thanks to everyone who supported and could come or

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