326. NUMEROLOGY & MH370 | Disappearance of Malaysia Flight MH370: Theories & Conspiracies (Part 2)

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Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished without a trace. A modern jet, 239 people, no distress call, no wreckage, just silence into one of the most remote areas on the planet. The search area was massive, the ocean unthinkably deep, and the clock was ticking. But beyond the sonar scans and the drifting buoys, another investigation quietly began to take shape. Not just where the flight went, but why. Why did a seasoned pilot fall silent? Why did the aircraft veer off course and head west away from radar, away from safety? And why did it continue flying on autopilot or under control for hours, 7 hours into utter darkness? The first theory to gain traction was also the most disturbing.

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Yeah, very spooky.

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Hi. Hi. Are you ready? I am. Sabrina's going to read me to filth. I teased this last week, but so I'm taking a witch class for those of you who have been here before, and we're learning all different aspects of Wikah and just like witchiness, spirituality, however you want to title it. But this week, or I guess last week, we learned about numerology. And I was just blown away because it felt so accurate when I did my reading and then I naturally was like, I'm going to do everyone else's, so I did yours. And

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does this feel more authentic in terms of your practice? Cuz I know some of the things in the witch class cuz obviously it's like when you're taking an intro to witch class, everything isn't tailored specifically to you and not everything should resonate with you because right you know it's you're an individual person. And I know some of the other things you were kind of like do you feel like numerology is this just a fascinating thing or do you feel like this is your thing? It's super fascinating and it's way easier than astrology. Yes. So I feel like it's just more approachable. Yeah, it's kind of like how I feel with Oracle versus Tarot. Okay, this is Two Girls, One Ghost. Oh my god, we forgot. I just remembered. I can't believe I remembered, not you. This is two girls, one ghost. Two girls, one ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That's Karen. Hello. I'm Sabrina. And I'm going to talk numerology about numerology. Okay. So, it's a form of divination. I am like correlating it in a in a way that it's

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akin to astrology, but it's so different. So that's like a don't take that verbatim, but it's basically using numbers as a form of divination and understanding. It is a way to understand yourself, your purpose, and your life path using numbers. And the idea is that like everything else, numbers carry energy and weight, and that nothing is random. So the day you were born, the name you were given at birth are not random. They're actually codes to understand purpose behind your life. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I like that it's purpose and it's not like determined fate like that there's no actually. So, Litha, one of our listeners who comes on Campfire Story has a tarot reading business and does a lot of cool witchy things. But I was seeing on her Tik Tok that she had posted something that I really liked. there's a trend happening that says like things I'm not falling for or like whatever things I won't or propaganda I'm not falling for and she said something about like that there's no room in readings or tarot for free will

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oh there's so much free will right and there's also so much interpretation and there's also so much and this is the same with astrology where when you get a reading you might interpret it one way based on where you are mentally or like your your past experiences in life. But then when you approach that moment, it happens and unravels in a completely different way. Right? I know that and I feel that. And yet I still have nervousness approaching this reading. I texted you this morning and I'm like, "It better be good." I texted you last night and I was like, "I'm so excited to read you your numerology because it's so it felt very spot-on." And you were like, "Oh no, I hope it's not bad." As if I would be excited to tell you something bad. This is so spot on. So Karen's such a you were predetermined to be a Okay, so we're going to be talking specifically about, and this is what I learned in my class, the Pythagorean, and I hate saying this word, so I don't want to say it again because I struggle with Pythagorean system of numerology, which

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was created by Pythagoras, who is a Greek philosopher and mathematician. So, there's different systems of numerology, but this is the one that I learned, and I think this is the most common one. If you don't like math, I'm sorry. This might feel like we're doing um a physics problem. Well, honestly, I was just thinking to myself, I'm like, Pythagorean theorem. Which math class do you learn about that in? He's the triangle guy. Oh, cuz I'm like, did I ever learn this? Cuz I did not take Well, you learned about his math. You didn't necessarily learn about a square plus B²= C². Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I learned about Okay. Okay. So, the core understanding and the core pieces you need are your birth day and your birth name. So, the name given to you at birth. Oh, that's why you confirmed my middle name yesterday. These all hold the blueprint to your soul. And there are four core numbers that people typically calculate in numerology. There's the life path, the expression number, the soul urge, and

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the personality number. So, the soul urge, what does that mean? So life path is your main purpose and your challenges in life calculated using your birthday. Then the expression number reveals your natural talents, strengths and your potential and you use your birth name for this. The soul urge is your inner desires like the urge your heart desire. H and this is calculated using the vowels in your birth name. Interesting. And then the personality number is how the world sees you, how other people interpret you using the consonants of your birth name. Okay. Well, this is going to be a confusing question, but what if your birth name changes? Is it like specifically the name on the day that you cuz some people don't even have a name? I know someone who didn't name their baby for seven days. My name technically on day three the spelling of it changed, but it's still my name. Well, you could also do both readings and see which one because we I talked about this on campfire stories when you weren't there and someone asked like what do I do my birth name or my adopted

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name and I don't know I mean I think it's whatever you feel is your name. Yeah, do that because that's you that's your identity, right? Yeah. I did think it was interesting there were a couple people who asked questions like this and their numbers ended up still being the same. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I'm sure my name being spelled without an E and then adding an E is not going to change it. Well, actually it would. Am I going to be a whole new person? It would have completely changed it. Wow. Yeah, but you're current with an E. Okay. Like it doesn't feel right without an E. So, those are the four numbers and that kind of creates a snapshot of your life, your life path, your challenges, how people see you, etc., etc. I'm going to do yours. I'm going to do a breakdown of it. And are we going to hear yours, too? Yeah, I'll tell mine. Okay. One thing to note is that when you're doing the math of this, there's also websites and books, like plenty of them, that you can go and have them calculate it for you. But if you're doing it yourself, I did I

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like wrote it all out. You have to break down the numbers to a single digit. So, it's like the numbers for numerology are 1 through nine. So, do you keep like adding them together or something until it becomes Yeah. So basically like your full name came out to number 96, but then you add 9 + 6 which equals 15. And then you add 1 + 5 which equals 6. So 6 is my number. That's not your life path. That's your you actually do have a lot of sixes. You have a lot of sixes. You do have 666. Actually, but the exception being master numbers. And I know that this might be confusing, but there are three master numbers 11, 22, and 33. And if you get those numbers, you just leave them as is. And it's supposed to be, it is said that that master numbers mean you have like a higher spiritual purpose. Cool. You and I both have master numbers. We do. Yeah. Do we have the same? No. So like 11 would be a more intense version of a

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two. 22 would be a more intense version of a four. 33 is a more intense version of six. Got it. Okay. Let's talk about your life path number first. Your what am I destined to do? Be a a ghost podcaster. Well, it didn't say that. So, your life path number is 33. And that's a master number, which is the master healer, nurturer, and light worker. You're compassionate, intuitive, altruistic, spiritually evolved, which you're welcome. That's such a compliment to you. That is wow. You are drawn to healing. No one look up what Karan without an E would be cuz I'm doing this reading. You would be you would be a one which none of them are bad. None of them are bad. You're drawn to healing, teaching or spiritual service. Your presence alone is healing. This is not an easy life path. And this is the thing about master numbers. While you might have a higher spiritual purpose, the path there is often filled with a lot more challenges. And I was

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like, I get it. I also recently saw on TikTok the like broken bone theory. Have you seen this? No. And I don't know if this is real, but anything is real. We live in a simulation. Someone was like, to all the kids who broke bones as children, have you also experienced really intense like emotional trauma or challenges. And the theory is that you either broke bones as a child or you dealt with really bad like difficult emotional things. Oh. Physical or emotional pain. You have one or the other. And I was like, interesting. Cuz I never broke any bones. Oh, I did, but it doesn't feel like significant. Okay, so it's not an easy life path because it's a master number. There's a sense of feeling like you're never doing enough. Over responsibility, emotional overload, and you might avoid your calling out of fear. I thought that was pretty accurate. You do that was that was really accurate. You always feel like you're not doing enough when you're doing way too much. I don't know if I'll ever not. I know that. Well, it's your

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life path. See, it was it was written in the stars. Okay. So, your expression number, which is revealing your natural talents. So, 33 is like broken down to a six. You're also a six for your expression number, which I'm the same. Nice. You are the harmonizer and caregiver. You create harmony, beauty, and peace. Excel in roles where you offer support and guidance. You have a deep love for home, aesthetics, justice, and making people feel safe. Challenges becoming controlling and trying to fix others. Overgiving. Yeah. Isn't that accurate? What? Not me. Avoiding conflict at your own expense, which is not you. I feel like you don't avoid conflict. I think it depends on who with. Yeah. I think I do avoid conflict a lot. Do you? Yeah. I feel like you're so much better at conflict than I am. I think that's because like you're one of my safe people. Oh. So if I feel something, I say it. Yeah. But I think with a lot of other people, I just know if I wait it out, it'll blow over. But I think that's

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also strategic. It's like you know when to pick battles and when not to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If it's going to resolve itself within you're smart a little bit of time like why? Yeah. It's almost like it get worse by saying something. Exactly. Okay. So your soul urge is what is your heart's desire? You got the number nine. And this is calculated using the vowels of your birth name. You are the old soul and humanitarian. You desire to help humanity live ethically and heal from past karma. H. You're spiritually mature. deeply affected by greater global causes. You long for a meaningful life of service, creativity, and leadership. You're called to activism, art with a message, like a podcast about the paranormal, spiritual development, and healing professions. Your challenges include letting go of the past, perhaps feeling isolated and misunderstood, and a pattern of endings that push you toward soul evolution. And I feel like prior to meeting Brian, there were a lot of endings that you experienced in your

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life. and things you let go of that I feel like I was kind of pushing them forward like I was pushing the endings though. Yeah, but that's still a series of endings. Yeah, that's true. I was wrapping up a lot and now your personality your third six your six6 how how the world sees you world sees you as trustworthy, kind, responsible, dependable, comforting, loving, safe. the parent in the friend group, you radiate love. And now overall, so like given your life path, your expression, your soul urge, and your personality, you are a divine nurturer. You're empathetic, creative, a desire to help, to serve, and you must learn to protect your own energy. This is creepy, doesn't it feel very accurate? Yeah. It makes me want to see what the other options are. Can I now read to you what your year path is because it is so spot-on. Oh god. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So to calculate your year path, you basically take your birth month, day, and then the current

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year. So 0803. You can do every year to see what your what the year is going to bring you. And this was what was crazy. So your 2025 is path 2. Your number is 2. Meaning last year 2024 was one, which symbolizes new beginnings for like new start. Literally, you gave birth to a child. Yeah. Am I like completely changed? Isn't that crazy? Yes. So the two is your your theme is emotional maturity, collaboration, balance, and intuition. This is when I texted you, you can't wait to read this to you. So your lessons for this year, I'm ready to absorb them. Will be around business partnerships. You'll strengthen close friendships. You will learn to listen, support, and share. This year is subtle growth. Nurture seeds planted last year and focus on emotional healing and intuition. Trust your gut. You might feel more sensitive, so honor those emotional waves. Do therapy, shadow

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work, and energy healing. They might be useful tools. The whole point is to slow down and be present. Is this when I finally go find my little selves everywhere? I mean, has not has everything not been leading up to that? It has. Yeah. I also feel like every reading I get, I get the same message of like, you need to slow down. Yeah, slow down, But I I'm trying to catch up is how I feel. You are literally so far ahead. No, you has been carrying me for the past year. If that hasn't been made clear all the times I've said it. Listen, we all have our times and our years and you you need to slow down. My year. Yeah. I'll briefly tell you mine. My life path is number 11, which is also a master number. It's the spiritual messenger. I have heightened intuition and uplift others and walk the path of the mystical mixed with the practical which I feel like is exactly what I do with this podcast. Yeah. Like we are approachable but weird and mystical but still walk on earth. The challenge is is

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there's a extreme duality with the life path number 11 and that can result in anxiety, self-doubt and feeling overwhelmed. The key is to learn to trust your intuition. Also spot on. Mhm. expression is the same. I feel like that's something that comes up in all of your readings, too. Like trust yourself. Yes. So, my expression number is also six, which is what I'm meant to express. Very similar to you. Harmonizer, and caregiver, create harmony, beauty, and peace. My soul urge is four. The theme is stability, structure, and dedication. And this is like my heart's desire. So, I crave order, reliability, and stability. Long-term stability. I just got chills. Isn't it wild? Peace in routines. Like if I grounded I'd be like literally all I want. I just want peace. Wow. Yeah. I desire something long lasting. Career, family, and legacy. I am drawn to discipline, loyalty, and defined goals. My challenges are that

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I'm afraid of change, which is spot on, and stuck in my own expectations. This feels like if you had to create a dating profile and you were forced to tell the truth. Yeah. That's basically what it is. Yeah, just use your numerology for your dating profile. My personality is also 11. So, I have double master numbers in my chart. So, extra difficult. Um, I'm seen as, this is also very spot on because it relates to the reading that Alisa Kelly gave us. So, I'm seen as a mystical presence, artistic and intuitive, different or mysterious, which I feel like is so spot on. And I often serve as a mirror for others emotions. And do you remember that was like such a big thing that Alisa was reading. People project I don't remember Alisa saying it, but I don't need to remember her saying it cuz I seen it. Yeah. People project their own iteration of like themselves onto me. Anyway, my challenges are being

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misunderstood, feeling a need to dim myself. That's spooky. Literally got divorced because of that reason. Yeah. And my overall and those were words you used a lot. Yeah. I felt like I was I lost my shine. Yeah. Oh, and my other challenge is social exhaustion, which is so accurate. My overall is that with the double 11s there's spiritual potency and I'm grounded by my six and four. So, I'm a caretaker and a builder. My year number is a seven. My theme is solitude, spiritual development, intuition, and mystery to pause, reflect, and realign and focus on inner evolution. Is that not the most accurate thing in the world? And it's also just reminding me of all the women 100 years ago that were sent to Marblehead for that exact thing. Expect to be less social. Gather wisdom instead. Seek deeper truth. Question your past patterns and what success really means to you. There are going to be a lot of synchronicities, dreams, and mystical

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encounters. Focus. This is so spooky. Focus. This is so spooky. Focus on exploring spiritual teachings. Literally, as I'm regurgitating a spiritual teaching that I learned, which is not even like you started doing that after reading your numerology. You've been doing that throughout your witch class and throughout multiple episodes in the past like two years. You're like, "Oh, I learned this. I did this. I'm trying to do this." Reflect. Don't react. Build quiet rituals. And the challenges are that I might feel misunderstood, lonely, isolated, and overthinking. Holy balls. Um, I did do wrinkles. What? Yeah. How do you know when he What? So, I just did his name. So, I asked I was looking up like, "How can you do pets?" And you can just do it with their name. Did you do Leia, too? So, I did. And I decided that I think you need to use your last name. So, I did Wrinkles Vienn. Okay. Cuz you can't just do like Leia. So, you could. So I did just wrinkles and that number was a three but then I did

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wrinkles VN the number I got was eight and it felt way more accurate. Okay. Okay. So three is and Leia is a three with Leia Deian Roa. So we can read the three playful joyful loves to be center of attention which felt very much Leia and it kind of wrinkles too though. But then the eight is the protector, strong willed, watching the house like a guard and determined. And I felt like that was more Yeah. wrinkles. It was kind of a combo. Yeah. I think like outwardly publicly he was an eight. Yeah. Inside he was more of a three. Yeah. Cuz Leia's first number was a nine, which is the old soul, wise, and intuitive. And I was like, that's not Leia. Sorry, but it's not. Yeah. That girl is new. She's new to planet Earth, that's for sure. She is new and she is not quite intuitive. Wait, how's your foster kitten? Oh, yeah. I have a foster kitten, Minnie. She's very cute. I'm only going to have her for a couple more days. She was

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actually with a family and I guess they had a baby who developed an allergy. She's like 7 months old. She's so sweet. Just wants to be Leia's friend so badly. But Leia does not want it. This is the

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and get to cooking your next chef quality meal. But now, to shift the mood a little bit, we're going to talk about something sad. Yes, because last week we were talking about the beginnings of the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Yep. So, previously we traced the timeline from its midnight departure to the moment that it vanished without a trace. We heard about the families who kept calling their loved ones long after they were gone. And we followed the final pings that suggested that the plane flew for nearly 7 hours into silence in the complete opposite direction of where it was supposed to go and into a very very remote area. And they determined that kind of like a week into the search, right? So they had already been searching the wrong area for so long. they had. And what we had discussed too was that because of the different countries involved, because of the different militaries and and just like the reluctance of sharing information from so many different

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parties, it was really difficult for authorities and and people who were conducting these searches to get accurate information and to figure out like what the hell was happening. Right. So, initially when the plane went missing, loved ones and even a journalist dialed the phone numbers of a few people on board and the calls rang through and you were asking some questions last week about what this means and what could potentially be an actual answer for this outside of the supernatural which we will discuss. Thank you. So formal which we will get we will conclude we will dissect that inquiry moment for your asking that question. I was not smart there. Okay. See, I'm done talking. But at least when you do your research, I feel like you don't have to read it. Like, you just know it. I Yeah. And you're done speaking, too. I'm done talking. You're going to go back to reading. I have to read aloud. Okay. So, the phones would ring and then they would drop. So, it it wouldn't go to

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voicemail. It wouldn't ring all the way through and it wouldn't go straight to voicemail. So, it was confusing cuz it would like ring three times and then disconnect. Interesting. So people were very confused and obviously people were, you know, losing their loved ones. Yeah. They're also kind of losing their minds here when this is happening because they're begging for these calls to be traced. Like something must be happening. They must be somewhere. They were taken to some island. All the conspiracies start to go and they're like, "My loved one's cell phone is on. My loved one's cell phone is ringing through. They're alive. Find them." Which is also so sad cuz it's like this false sense of hope. Yeah. which I guess like people want in that moment. But yeah, it is really tough and I feel like I would think the same thing. And like I think even after being told from the phone companies something different, I might still probably to this day be like, well, is that true? Like what what did happen? Yeah. So Malaysia Airlines initially refused to comment on this happening. But later, a telecom company explained that ringing tones are sometimes heard even when phones are out

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of coverage because it basically is like almost like a filler. Like the cell phone tower is searching for the phone. So, it's like doing a couple pre- rings while it's trying to locate it and then when it's unable to locate that cell phone, it just disconnects. Okay. Which is strange because I feel like that's never happened to me. Okay. So, there was one time that I and this is recently. I tried to call you, then I sent you a text and it said like this text has been sent via satellite and then I saw your location and you were kind of like in a place that probably didn't have great service. But the call when I I remember exactly where I was. Yeah. When I tried to call I was at the CVS in Hamilton, Massachusetts, which is where there is no service. Yeah. And my phone was like, "Do you want to do satellite?" Do satellite. And I was like, "Sure." Yeah. But so it didn't connect like But I didn't get your voicemail either. M that actually makes a lot of sense. Interesting. Yeah. So, basically they were saying that this is what happened, but the phenomenon was still really eerie. The public, you know, takes it, runs with it, and when

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you have no answers, you're going to cope with anything. So, yeah. Well, and just the fact that the government wasn't commenting on it, the airline wasn't commenting on it. Like, it really did spur all the like government cover up conspiracies. So people were wondering like was this plane landed on a remote island somewhere? Were the people on board used as test subjects and like some crazy experiment? Were the people trafficked? Were they part of a super secret mission? Were certain people on board intended to do something specific and everyone else just unfortunately was was the victim of it. Was a victim of being on the same flight. There were all these things happening. And so in this episode, which is part two of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, we are going to talk about some of those

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conspiracy theories. Some are grounded, some are otherworldly. And we're going to try to answer the question that the world still asks today, which is what happened to flight MH370, which is wild that we still don't have answers. I know. Well, the black box has

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never been recovered, right? all the different things that like do the tracking and and can tell you exactly what happened. Yeah. Have been. We're like in the same place as we were a week after the investigation. Yeah. Almost. Okay. There are some new things. Okay. So, one of the most talked about theories and some argue the most plausible is the theory of pilot suicide, right? So, a murder suicide at the hands of the pilot. There were two pilots on board. Uh the co-pilot is very rarely talked about, but like you'll see why. Okay. So, the main suspect here is the main captain, Zahari Ahmad Shaw. Was he the one who on the like recording said like, "Good night." Mhm. Good night, Malaysia 370. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Which is also just like an eerie like last message. Yes. Yes. So, I'll just call him Captain Zahari. He was 53 years old. He was a very respected senior pilot with over 18,000 flight hours. He'd flown for Malaysia Airlines since

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1981. and he was an avid tech enthusiast and at home had this like really sophisticated flight simulator that he would play almost like almost like as a video game, you know. Okay. And in the weeks following MH370's disappearance, international investigators began looking more closely at the crew and quietly Malaysia authorities were really zeroing in on Sahari. M. So, one of the things that made them question him was the flight's bizarre route because the prolonged flight into the empty ocean also suggested that someone was in control until the very end, right? It wasn't on autopilot for that amount of time. It wasn't a hijacker or something that could have flown it for 7 hours like pretty smoothly the whole time. It really indicated someone who had control, who knew how to fly planes well, and was in command until the very end. Yeah. And towards the end of the flight, there was actually a very challenging turnback maneuver executed and completed I guess. So essentially

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the plane took such a sharp turn at the very end like to basically head almost back really towards the remote island of Diego Garcia which is like a military island. And some people said that like in order to successfully maneuver a plane that way you had to be extremely experienced. So that would be Captain Zahari. he was the one that was extremely experienced and they also thought that this could have been an indication that he had second thoughts if this was an attempted murder suicide, right? Uh because the sharp turn back towards Diego Garcia indicated like, "Oh maybe I need to land somewhere." That was the nearest island and it had it was a military island, so it had plenty of uh places to land. Places to land. Yes. Okay. In June of 2014, CNN reported that a confidential Malaysian police investigation had uncovered deleted files from Zahari's home flight simulator. And after forensic recovery, it showed that he had practiced this basically the

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exact same flight path that was taken by MH370 ending in the remote southern Indian Ocean. This wasn't reported really until a couple years later by the New York Times and other news outlets. And this fueled suspicion that Zahari had practiced the flight in advance, that this had been premeditated, but the Malaysian government officials stance remained non-committal. And they stated that they were not of the opinion that this aircraft was intentionally diverted by the pilot. But theories kept building about Zahari and like how could this be? Why did he do this? And I will say in defense of Zahari right now, if I had an athome flight simulator and I was often doing these like intercontinental or like Indian Ocean, South China Sea flights, I probably also would take every single path possible, right? Yeah. I think the similarity is a little bit questionable. Yeah, I agree. The flight path is suspicious. It's weird. And everyone was making the same argument.

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What are the chances that this guy flew this? But my argument too is like I'm just envisioning myself having being a flight enthusiast like this avid it's his career. It's his career and it's his hobby cuz he has a whole like very intense flight simulator at home a very sophisticated program and I'm just thinking of myself being like okay eventually you fly enough paths where you're like from this airport to this airport that you're like okay well how long can I fly until I run out of fuel? How can I get to this little tiny island? you know, like doing all those little challenges cuz he's probably flew thousands and thousands of flights on that thing, right? I feel like you and I have a similar approach where we try to put ourselves into their shoes and try to understand and just I also acknowledge that when it comes to death by suicide or any of that, like it is hard to put yourself in that mentality because you don't know what they're feeling. You don't know what they're thinking. But in my mind, I'm like to continue flying for so many hours. Yeah.

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like why prolong it so much and of course there's so many other right concerns and questions but that is like one thing that really stands out to me. Yeah. And I think it stood out to a lot of people because a lot of people questioned like how did he do this? Why did he do this? But the big question was how did he do this? Because you had proposed the same question last week which was how did people not notice on board? And in the three-part documentary series that Netflix has that came out in 2023 called MH370, The Plane That Disappeared, which is worth a watch, they did go pretty deep into this theory that Zahari methodically took the plane over as a suicide ride into the ocean and speculated that he got away with it essentially by depressurizing the cabin early on. So, everyone passed out. Everyone lost consciousness. Yeah. red interference and then basically depriving everyone except for him and staying on oxygen the entire time

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until the plane ran out of fuel and went into the ocean which is just awful and I hope that that's not what happened. I know but there's just Yeah, I mean it's a mystery for a reason. So Zahar's friends and family, they immediately were like, "This makes zero sense." They rejected the theory. They were like, "He's had no changes." Despite what some of the news outlets reported, like, "He's had no changes in his behavior. There's been nothing that's happened. Like, he was not depressed. He was not on a suicide mission. Everyone who knew him thought that it was completely impossible." They said he was like a gentle grandfather who would never put anyone in harm's way. He had kind of the evidence of the flight simulator. Was there any like suicide note or like diary? Dear diary, I'm depressed. Like nothing. And because of this too, there was a fullon investigation into Zahari, into his personal life, into his career, into all of his relationships, into his finances. There was even though his

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phone was gone, I'm sure they could like access the cloud. They they like combed through his life. There wasn't evidence of anything. There was no recent financial struggle. He was engaged to be married and everything seemed happy there. Like every there was no change and everything was the same and everything was good which is why it was confusing. Damn. People said he had a very kind heart. He wasn't quick to anger. He was loving, caring, calm. He was known to put everyone first before himself. He was involved in his community. He played football. He would hang out with friends. Aviation was his passion. It was his profession and his hobby with the at home flight simulator. Yeah. All of his co-workers. Like it's one of those things too where it's hard because so many times it's hard to find a sign that something's wrong. And then also sometimes there could be no signs that something's wrong and something happens like someone bunks their head and they think that they're fine and then 3 days later they're totally mentality and things are completely changed. So you never really know but it

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seems like everyone who knew him personally there wasn't one person who was like yeah that that could check out. It's so tough because especially when you hear this theory, you almost want it to be the truth because it at least gives you an answer. Gives you an answer, but but it's also incredibly depressing too to be like someone any of his loved ones where like the whole world has undergone this like catastrophic event basically and you included cuz you're now missing your loved one who was piloting this plane and you're wondering what happened and now everyone's saying that your loved one killed them. Yeah, that's pretty terrible. It is terrible. And this is why I really hope the black box is recovered one day so that people get answers. Yeah. And people get justice and people get their names cleared to deserve it. Yeah. And there is that big question of if this plane is flying for so long, passengers would be asking questions. So if the cabin is not being depressurized and everyone's conscious,

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like wouldn't there be some turmoil, some chaos in the cabin? Yeah. So the black box would have the recordings of that. Exactly. But if it was completely silent and you just heard only Zahari breathing or like making little noises, then there's some evidence. Yeah. Then there's that. Yeah. So not one person could find any clue that this is something that he contemplated yet this was one of the leading theories because it does seem like this is one of the most plausible theories. Right. his experience, his flight simulator path, combined with the fact that MH370's communications were also deliberately disabled, right? Paired with Zahar's knowledge of radar gaps, fuel burn rates, all of these things combined, it led to this being the leading theory. Damn. The FBI actually examined his simulator after all of this was announced that his flight simulator took this exact path and they were looking for this evidence and they said they

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actually did not find any conclusive evidence of a premeditated plot. So, I don't know what that means because they didn't outwardly say he didn't take this path or something similar, but they also said he didn't. There was nothing indicating premeditated, which makes me wonder if it was something more like what I was thinking where it was just like one time, one path two years ago, like in just like a span of I'm flying here, I'm flying there. Cuz I'm thinking evidence would be like he redid this like the day before the flight three times, you know, but there was no but there was no conclusive evidence of a

Stolen passports & hijacking theories

premeditated plot, which makes me think that there that didn't exist that maybe this flight path did exist, but it wasn't in a way where it seemed to stick out compared to all the other flights he flew. So Zahari very well could be innocent. He could be one of the victims of MH370. And regardless of his intention or not, he still is a victim of missing flight Malaysia Airlines 370. Have they looked at like the manifest of all the other passengers? Was there

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anyone on the plane that I mean, it's hard to talk about this without talking about 9/11 and plane hijacking? And was there anyone on the plane who was a skilled pilot who could have gone into the cockpit and taken control? No. But this is a good segue because while there wasn't anyone who was a trained pilot, there were two people on board that had used stolen passports and were traveling under these disguises. I mean, that's suspicious, right? So, again, like you said, with with everything that happened on board, from what people could tell, it did point to some sort of human intervention. So, some form of hijacking, whether it was by a crew member or by someone from the outside. So, they did look into every single person on board and they found two men on board using stolen passports and I'm so sorry I'm going to really butcher these names, but Poria Nor Muhammad Mad and Delivar Siad Muhammadza who were

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both Iranian nationals. They boarded using stolen passports. They were both European passports and their identities were discovered within 48 hours of the flight's disappearance through Interpol's database and through international cooperation. Well, because now I feel like when I board international flights, I don't even show my boarding pass or my or my passport like at the gate. You do a facial recognition. Yeah. I don't know how this worked out cuz also like I was looking at the photo of one of the guys who had the stolen passport. I think he was like from Italy or whatever. It was like a news thing being like he got his new passport or whatever. I don't even think they looked that like close to the passport. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't know how these things happened, but really quickly, everyone was like, "Oh my god, was this a terrorist attack?" And I'm going to quickly clear their names because their names were cleared. These men were seeking asylum. They were hoping to reach Europe via Beijing. There were no links to terrorism found with these two individuals. There was no evidence connecting them with their stolen passports to the aircraft's

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disappearance. It was just also my heart aches just like in regard for these two men who probably boarded the flight and they length to take off and they have such relief of it escaping whatever situation they were trying to escape. Yeah. That is heartbreaking. It is really heartbreaking. While these two individuals their names were cleared, they were not involved with the disappearance at all. It did make everyone question like how was someone able to board this international flight with a stolen passport after everything with 9/11 and and just all the new precautions that have been in place. And so people were really concerned about that. They were also saying that terrorism seems a little bit unlikely cuz normally when something happens like this, a terrorism organization comes forward and claims it. Right. Right. They want the usually make it's making a statement. Nobody's ever said anything. Yeah. So that seems improbable that it could be like that. So the stolen passports sparked one of the earliest

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and most intense conspiracy theories, but authorities ultimately concluded that the men posed no threat. They were not involved in hijacking or sabotage plot. But there was a theory that there was someone else on board that could have taken over a hijacking from the inside, not from anyone who was recorded on the plane. that there was a stowaway hiding in the avionics bay, which is a compartment below deck accessible via like a hatch in the cabin floor, and that they took over the systems. They disconnected all of the communications and basically took over the plane and forced them in whatever way to fly. And maybe that like switchback maneuver was a lastditch effort before the Captain Zahari knew the fuel was about to die out. a last stitch effort to actually try to land the plane and get to safety. This is reminding me also of is it called Flight Plan or something like that? The movie where the woman is on the plane with her child. Oh my god.

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She like takes a nap and wakes up and the child's gone and everyone's like Jodyie Foster. Never. It was it is it Jody Foster? Isn't it Jodyie Foster? Real quick, this movie it like sticks with me all the time. But she like goes down into the Yes. Jody Foster. Yeah. Flight plan. That's what it's called. Yeah. She's the aircraft engineer and she designed the plane and she and her daughter are taking a flight which is already like creepy openings cuz I always think about it how like they get in the taxi to go to the airport or whatever and it's like raining and her daughter's Yeah. And then it's kind of like Shutter Island goes missing and everyone on board says that she never boarded with a child and tries to convince her she's going crazy and then she's searching for her child on this plane that she designed. It's definitely worth a watch. I might watch that tonight. It's a really good movie. It's also underrated. No one ever talks about it. Well, here we are. Yeah. Okay. So, basically, there's this theory that someone was hiding in the eBay housing critical avionics and could have taken over the controls from there, could have

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hijacked it. However, this is kind of farfetched and if you referencing the Netflix documentary, but if you go and watch a Netflix documentary, they do have some interesting renditions almost like reenactments of what would have had to happen for someone to be in that avionics bay and then get out of it. Like it it's really complicated. Like if you saw someone crawling out of a like there's so much opportunity, right? It's a it's Can you depressurize the plane from down there? No, without depressurizing yourself unless you have like a little oxygen unless they like brought something. Yeah. It's just a very like everything would have had to go perfectly right for that. Also like this is what's so difficult is that every theory we are going to talk about we can find some hint of plausibility and then there's no way to verify. I know I know it's even plausible that they went into an alternate dimension in my mind. Well, and that is something people have pitched. One interesting angle on the hijacking theory and then

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we'll we'll wrap this up soon and go to another theory is referred to as the cargo manifest. So, some theories posited that maybe the plane had been hijacked not for the people but for cargo on board that there was some mysterious secret cargo, smuggled goods, precious items and that the plane had been taken and basically like made invisible and the goods were delivered and then presumably all the people were killed. Yeah. Another theory was that it had been hijacked and remotely taken over by an entirely unknown group via Wi-Fi vulnerabilities, which sounds sketchy and people are like, "Oh, that seems so farfetched." However, scary supporting this, Boeing had actually patented a system in 2006 to remotely take control of an aircraft. I mean, think about drones and just like my biggest fear about self-driving cars is they are computers. They can be hacked. Yeah. So, apparently Boeing after 9/11 had created this in response

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to like, okay, well, if a plane gets hijacked, we need to be able to hijack it back. Yeah. But like the vulnerability is someone else could get into the system and and hijack the plane remotely without being on it, without needing to do anything really aside from Yeah. taking hand over your computer. When we worked when I worked on when we when I worked on Blind Spot, this is the type of episode we would talk about all the time. you know, like hacking and taking control of because it's such a wild wild west. It's like we don't know people's capabilities and there are so many really skilled people out there and some of them are Mr. Robot, right? Yeah, it is. But I was thinking of like anonymous like that group who like you know sometimes they do stuff that people question but other times like because the way that like the the understanding of like coding and all of that stuff is just so foreign to me that but I appreciate when groups like that do things for good. Yeah. However, some

Military cover-up theory

could argue sometimes they are the bad guys. But again, no group ever came

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forward. Right. Right. But if you're taking control to steal goods, then I guess you wouldn't, right? This could be another type of like serial killer, right? Where it's like your trophy is all of the names. The whole world is Yeah. You don't tell people what you did. You're not talking about it on the dark web. You just did it to see if you could do it. There's a Stephen King trilogy called Mr. Mercedes and it's the killer in that is like a hacker who does stuff like that. Okay, so the US and Boeing have dismissed such allegations that it was remotely taken over but all to say just more proof to show how desperate everyone was for answers. There really wasn't enough evidence to go in anyone direction, right? Um every person on board was looked into. Every country was a suspect. What the hell happened to this plane? It was a question everyone was asking. Yeah. Among the more politically charged theories surrounding MH370 was the idea of a military coverup. This theory suggested that the plane may have

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been accidentally or intentionally intercepted and possibly shot down by military force during sensitive operations and that it disappeared basically was concealed to cover their tracks. So I think this came up a lot too because it was like militaries were reluctant to say hey we actually caught the ping of this aircraft. Well it is also the military who came up with I guess or like outed the story of these are where it was pinged and like was that all fake? Well I guess there was another on top of that there was another like satellite company who confirmed the path. So it was like multiple people saying how much power does the government have? Could they have Right. But this is hard because it's like there's multiple governments, there's multiple countries. So it's like this. But I think there's a government overseeing all of the governments like the people. No, but like that's that's kind of the thing, too, cuz people were like, "Okay, well, so like the government like reluctantly came forward with all this

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information, if they saw a giant aircraft entering their space that wasn't permitted to be there, wouldn't they send out aircrafts to go intercept it or see it?" Right? Like if there's an unidentified object in the US, you would assume that one of the fighter jets is going to go check it out. So that was kind of the thing that people were like, did they check it out and accidentally shoot it down and that this is all covered? Or did they? Yeah. Not even check it out. Did they accidentally shoot it down? Right. But then wouldn't there be evidence of like a plane having been shot down and like exploding in piece? I don't know. I just Yeah. Well, so also at the end where when the plane took the sharp turn towards Diego Garcia, yeah, that military island, people were theorizing that perhaps that was it being intercepted and that something happened after that. Maybe something went wrong and now it's being covered up. So, the US has consistently denied any involvement given that Diego Garcia is a US. Yes. But the basis's proximity to

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the plane's last known trajectory raised a lot of questions, especially among those skeptical of official narratives, which were always skeptical of official narratives, especially the US government, especially our own government. I don't trust anyone except for Karen. Trust no one. Don't even trust us. Mysterious and different. Remember, additional speculation pointed to joint military exercises in the region at the time. So, some theorized that it's this flight strayed into a restricted zone. it was mistaken for a threat. And there's no direct evidence to support these claims. However, the perceived lack of transparency from multiple governments, the delay in release of radar data from the military officials, cuz remember it was like a week or two after that they released it, and the gaps in military radar coverage, which is like weird. And also, why would you admit that you weren't able to track it the whole time when you're supposed to like pretend to have like some of the best radar? Well, I also think about the tragedy that happened in DC where like the military helicopter flew into the

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plane like couldn't something like that have happened but because it was in a remote area there's no reason to talk about it. But then there's the element of okay well you also have to take into consideration that this plane before that could have plausibly happened went off track for 6 plus hours. those two things happening simultaneously feels a little bit far-fetched. It does. And it's hard cuz it's like, yeah, one, you would think because it's going in such a remote area that the chances of it colliding colliding with something else are very minimal, but it was so close to Diego Garcia. And if there's a bunch of different exercises happening and a lot of aircraft and different things going on within military exercises, then, you know, the chances are a little higher. Even though it seems like, how the hell does that happen? This is a huge huge jet. Yeah. Jeez. Again, people are questioning what happened. And then comes an eyewitness report in the Maldes, residents said, which by the

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way, this is a very close island in proximity to Diego Garcia. They said on the morning of March 8th, 2014 around 6:15 a.m., they saw a low-flying jumbo jet roar over their houses. They described this as a white jet with red stripes which which matched Malaysia Airlines. Yeah. They said it was flying south slash in the southeast direction towards the southern tip of the Maldives. The Maldives government

Supernatural interference theory

investigated. They had no conclusive evidence that that actually happened because they had no radar pings that a plane was there. But how do you have all these residents saying they saw a huge jet roar over the island, but then the government's like, "Well, we didn't see anything on our radar." But then it's also like how soon after are they saying that they saw this because there's also I feel like people want to be involved or one person says something and then everyone else is like oh well actually now that you say it. Me too. Yeah. I guess the question is how many residents

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were they separately reported unknowing that like the other people had reported that and were they all said to be that exact same time and if there were no other planes flying into the Maldives at that time. I don't know. It's just like another layer of the mystery where it's like, yeah, if you'reology says one thing, government says another, people say another. The reason this is a mystery is because there are no answers. So, we're just going to continue pontificating theorizing here. Exactly. Some people said it was a red herring. Some people said could be true. Who knows? But the sheer lack of debris, radar data, or definitive answers left many wondering, if the plane didn't crash, did it vanish into something we cannot explain yet? Were we asking the wrong questions? Were we looking at people when perhaps it was never human intervention? What if it was never a freak accident? What if flight MH370 came in contact with extraterrestrials? One viral video claimed that a plane had been taken by a UFO, intercepted midair,

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and removed by a craft beyond human technology. And in 2023, there was a grainy video that surfaced online of this airliner surrounded by three orbs of light before it vanished. And everyone was like, "Oh my god, this is what happened in Malaysia Airlines." But then that was a fake video, that was CGI, but it reignited the interest that perhaps this plane, which the majority of theories, I think obviously were a little more grounded in like human intervention, what could have happened, or like technology issues with the plane. But this reignited the idea that perhaps this plane had been abducted, erased, or entered a new version of Earth. Some believe that the flight entered a time slip, which is basically like a disturbance in the time space continuum where the plane and everyone on board all unknowingly crossed into another dimension, into another timeline, which reminds me of that show Manifest cuz they all go missing for like however many years or whatever, and then they come back and they're like, "What? We were just on like 2 hour flight for them. It was the same flight. Yeah. So supporters of this theory point

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to similar phenomenon reported in aviation history including flight 19 over the Bermuda Triangle. It happened in 1945 when a US bomber plane, Navy bomber plane went missing over the Bermuda Triangle and the search plane sent out to look for it also vanished. Then that's crazy. And there's a lot of like unexplained magnetic abnormalities in remote regions of the world. And so people were early on kind of like questioning this and then it was reignited later on with that CGI video. One of the earlier comments about this potentially being a thing or like a black hole or something like that. CNN commentator Don Lemon infamously asked if a black hole could have swallowed the plane like early on back when it first went missing based on numerous tweets that he'd received of people asking about black holes involvement. Right. and Mary Sho, I probably mispronounced her last name, too. She was the former inspector general of the US Department of Transportation, and she was the person that Don Lemon was interviewing, and he asked if it was like crazy for him to think that. Well, I mean, it

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feels crazy to think that a black hole just opens up in the atmosphere real quick. Like, that's right. And that is what she said. She was like, "Yeah, that is crazy." She said, "Quote, it is a small black hole would suck our entire universe." Right. So we know it is not that the Bermuda Triangle is often weather and Lost is a TV show. Fair. But then anything is possible. Anything is possible, Mary. We also don't know very much about black holes. Like we know the like energy, but we also don't know what's in a black hole. Who knows what happened? But also speaking of Twitter, in March 2018, around the 4th anniversary of the disappearance of the plane, certain Twitter users and YouTubers claimed that a man received a strange voicemail with an automated message in the NATO phonetic alphabet that translated to an SOS call warning about a mysterious object and giving coordinates near where the flight had supposedly disappeared. That just gave me chills. Yeah. The viral message

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included the line SOS, they are not human in quote. Ah, what? I know. I have chills, too. This led to a frenzy online, so I'm interpreting it as a cry for help from MH370 encountering extraterrestrials. The coordinates given kind of like roughly aligned with the vicinity of its last known location. Couldn't like some random person just So, that's another thing people were like, this has got to be a hoax. It's like this is someone's either pranking this guy or this guy's pranking us, right? So, the man who supposedly claimed this also said that someone showed up at his house and started taking pictures. So, like Men in Black style kind of which is another like added layer where it's like h however people thought that maybe this was a hoaxer prank and then when it was looked into the calls were traced and investigators dismissed it as not credible which is like it's a hoax. It's a hoax. Yeah. Others looked into lay lines, supposed electromagnetic energy

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grids believed to cover Earth. We've talked about it a lot with a bunch of different places that are have a lot of spooky happenings. A lot of times there's paranormal activity mixed with UFO and cryptids and just like all things supernatural. So some people are like, "Oh, could it have slipped? Was there a time slip or like did something happen here? Did they cross over a lay line where like the energy was so incredibly palpable in such a remote area? Like yeah, it's just gone. It went somewhere to another dimension into a portal. A story we read on the glitches and time slips encounters recently where this person had been our listener was doing like a meditation to try to like astral project whatever, right? And then they ended up waking up in another timeline of their life with like people that they're not friends with and like they were still dating their ex who they were grateful they weren't. and at the same time from a different timeline was also practicing some type of like metaphysical experience and was meditating and like also at the same

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time CERN had turned on that their collider. So it was like this like energy vortex that was created like is there anything else in one version of them they were alone and the other version there were two people there one of them being their ax right or a friend of the ax. Yeah. But like this makes me question, was there some type of energetic testing at this government facility or just anywhere? And in that moment, it it like Well, that's interesting. Storm. Another theory that

Debris

came with the cell phones ringing were that the cell phones ringing and then dropping were the plane being trapped in some sort of like liinal space and like kind of connecting but kind of not like sometimes ringing, sometimes not. It was like almost like I'm thinking of being like trapped in a mirror. Like they're there. It's a portal but they can't come out. Like you can still see and make contact potentially. And that's a theory that I would be drawn towards and want to hold on to, especially if I knew

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someone and had a loved one on that flight because that means there's a chance of them still being alive, right? Even if they don't exist in our same plane. Yeah. I know like what basically happens and yet I'm still kind of like, was it aliens? Was it you just want to believe quantum anomalies? Was it whatever. Yeah. you want to believe in something else because it felt like there was no conclusive evidence. Yeah. And for a long time there were no answers to what happened and so people were clinging on to these theories or to some of the other suspicions about the people on board and what could have happened because there was no physical evidence of the plane crashing. Right. But then in early 2015, international investigators narrowed the likely crash site to a zone that was 1500 miles west of Perth, Australia, along a calculated arc derived from satellite pings, so the seventh arc, which I think I mentioned last week. And they used ocean drift modeling to help narrow down the most

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likely crash site. The search cost over $150 million. It yielded no wreckage. But then on July 29th, 2015, a year and a half after the plane went missing, the first tangible proof emerged. And I will say, and I think the docu Netflix documentary covers this too, a man was like, "Oh, I bet it's washed ashore on this beach." And suddenly he finds bits of debris from the plane. And everyone's like, "How come the whole world couldn't find this but you?" And there's a lot of questions of like, "Were these bits of the plane crash and this found debris authentic to the plane or not?" But apparently the first tangible proof emerged and on that day on the French island of Reunion in the western Indian Ocean, a piece of wreckage washed ashore. It was a torn barnacle encrusted flapperon which was a part of Boeing 777's wing. How big was this on the

The mystery remains

plane? Tiny. In real life or like next to a human huge. So it's huge next to someone but do you see how tiny of a wing it is? Wouldn't they be able to trace? Like isn't there some forensic? I

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think that they could run and like usually like serial numbers and stuff. So apparently they did that and they French and Malaysian analysts quickly confirmed it as being from this flight Malaysia Airlines flight 370. So for families this was very bittersweet cuz on one side they got an answer, right? Like the plane presumably ran out of fuel or something happened. Whatever happened, the plane crashed, everyone on board perished. But then on the other side, it's still a mystery cuz it's like, well, how and why? And if that's the only piece of evidence found. Yeah. Over the next 2 years, more pieces are found in Madagascar, Mosmbique, South Africa, interior panels, engine parts, sea cushions, all these things are washing ashore all over the place because of the different like drifts in the ocean. Yeah. In total, over 30 pieces of debris are suspected or confirmed to belong to this flight. and are consistent with the ocean drift models from the crash site along the seventh ark deep in the southern Indian

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Ocean west of Australia. Despite the debris finds and the underwater wreckage, the black boxes remain lost. There's still no evidence of like what actually happened. So, you could say that there is like an end result. You have determined that everyone has perished and that there was a crash, but there is no cause or explanation yet, right? Yeah. Yes. It's like we have the last line in the book, but we don't have the chapter. It ends as a cliffhanger. Totally. So, after all the data was scoured, all the oceans searched, and all the theories debated by experts and enthusiasts alike, MH370 remains an unsolved mystery. It is now considered one of the greatest aviation mysteries of our time. a modern airliner in the age of global surveillance with all these different countries, military, radar, cell phones vanishing as if it's a ghost. What we do know for certain is that this Boeing 777 with 239 people on

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board took off normally on a clear night. We know communications were cut off deliberately. The plane deviated wildly off course. The plane flew for over 7 hours into one of the most remote parts of the ocean. And we know that sadly it crashed somewhere in the vastness. Pieces of it eventually washed ashore which was consistent with a high-speed crash into the ocean. We also know that no definitive cause has been pinpointed, no culprits identified, no mechanical faults found, no distress call made. What we don't know is exactly why and how it happened. Was it a suicidal pilot fulfilling a dark plan? A malevolent hijacker taking a plain load of souls to their doom. A cascade of system failures and human errors that coincidentally mimicked a deliberate act or an utterly unforeseen scenario that we haven't truly considered yet. Perhaps something even supernatural. But the search for this

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flight is not over. Perhaps one day we will have a complete answer. But for now, at least for the families of the 239 people on board, they know what happened to their family members. But we do hope that one day they'll get the full answers that they deserve. Yeah, it's tough because 30 pieces washing up over how many years? Like Well, and 30 pieces that are confirmed or suspected, right? Not all 30 pieces are like this is from But 30 pieces is not that many. No. And I do think like one guy found quite a few of them, which is also a little like sus. Yeah. But then that

Listener story

just makes me think that the black boxes will never be discovered. No one's going deep diving looking for those cuz they don't even know where to look. The ocean is massive and intimidating and also vastly unarched. Right. And like this is one of the most remote areas too. Yeah. And it's hard too cuz it's like the amount of money it takes and the amount of effort and energy to find this. I

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mean $150 million for a search that no results. Yep. It's hard cuz it's like if I were one of the family members, I'd be like spend as much as you need. Find find me the answer. But then the other part of me is like, okay, now knowing that it crashed or like supposedly, well, there's debris, like how can you spend money elsewhere to like help the people that are alive? Exactly. It's so heartbreaking. I know. Mysteries like this that don't have especially in modern day. That's what's so weird. And it's like it's so sketchy because it's like there's so many people with just little bits and pieces where what they claim to be able to see and know is vastly greater than what they have offered up. So it feels like everyone is lying cuz they are including us. No, I'm just kidding. Luckily, we don't have any stories about plane crashes. Not really. So, I decided to go down the like glitch

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perfect road and literally called Glitch on the road. This is from our listener Addison. Hi, Ghostesses. I'm Addison. You can use my name. I started listening to your podcast after your collab with Kayn Moore of Heart Starts Pounding and I've been in love with y'all's show ever since. I'm currently listening to the Glitch in the Matrix Encounters episode, Encounters 283, and it reminded me of a weird glitch that happened to me and my friends a few years back. As I've gotten older, I've started to become more sensitive to energy and felt like I could sort of feel what's going to happen before it does in a way. Not all the time, but a lot of the time. I'm very in tune with my intuition nowadays. Oo, I wonder what your life path is. What are your numbers? But this glitch happened to us back when I was around 16 or 17, and I'm 23 now. I had no idea or strange feeling that this was going to happen. It was Fourth of July weekend, and my aunt and uncle were hosting a cookout, and I invited two of my friends to come with me. My aunt and uncle's house is about 30 minutes away from where I was living at the time. So, me,

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my friends, as well as my sister all decided to carpool together, and I drove. It was a normal, sunny summer day, nothing out of the ordinary. We had taken this drive on the interstate to my aunt's house plenty of times before. We were just driving, having a good time, listening to music, and took the exit off the interstate to get to my aunt and uncle's and get to the cookout. And my aunt's house is only 5 minutes from the exit. So, we were like, "Okay, we're 5 minutes away." We take the exit, but instead of pulling up to the stoplight to get onto the two-lane highway that leads to my aunt's house, like we have done many times before, we find ourselves back on the ramp where we started to get on the interstate 25 minutes away from my aunt's house. We were back to where we started on the interstate 20 minutes ago. All of us noticed. We were significantly further away. When just a few seconds ago, we were five minutes from my aunt's house. We all thought we were almost there. And all of a sudden, we're back at the start. I turned on the music and we all looked at each other like, "What the actual is happening right now?" We

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were all so freaked out. To this day, I believe that somehow we jumped timelines. Maybe in an alternate universe, we got into a car accident and died. And instead of staying in our timeline, all of our consciousnesses jumped collectively to save ourselves because we were all so young. I don't know, but it's the weirdest thing and we all experienced it together. I haven't told many people this story cuz I'm afraid they'll think I'm crazy, but thank you for giving me a safe space to share this crazy experience. See you on the other side, Addison. glitches like that where it involves moving in a vehicle like because we had one similar where someone was like on a crosswalk or something or a sidewalk and then there was a car coming at them and then suddenly the car had passed and they were like many feet forward or something like that. It's so freaky cuz not only do you not understand what just happened to you and how like you yourself have moved through time, but there's also this concern for your other self, right? Like if it was if you did die in another your family and loved ones in that other right timeline cuz now they're all

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mourning. Mhm. But like that's not just you driving by yourself and kind of zoning out and just being like, "Oh, wo, like that time passed or like weird. I don't remember the last 5 minutes of my driving." No, this is a group of like five people in a car. Yeah. Who all experience it at the same time. If it was a death and they all jumped to another timeline, it's wild to me that they'd all jumped to the same one. Maybe because they were all together in the car. Yeah. I I don't know. But did you end up going to the cookout? Like I'm curious because we've also had Well, that's an interesting topic to talk about at the Cookout. Right. Cuz then we also have that one story where someone woke up or like felt like they jumped to another timeline, but everything was slightly different. Like even the things that they connected to their sister about in a in their other timeline was different. Yeah. And there were like little clues that the people were different. Well, it's just so confusing, too, cuz it's like, well, what if you die, what would trigger you, your consciousness, to go to a different

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timeline versus just move on in spirit form? Do we have a choice in the matter? I don't know. Can our spirit form exist at the same time as multiple dimension versions of ourselves exist? I think yes. Are we all the This is reminding me of like your dad haunting himself like a previous passive version of him trying to come through him or you even haunting yourself. What are souls and ghosts and life and time? You got to do some shadow work. You look great right now. That's is how I feel. This is like what I am in ghost form. I'm hovering over my mom. Can we record our pajamas tomorrow? Yes. Okay. I'm basically wearing that. I want to wear my house dress. my house coat that I thrifted. Okay, maybe I'll wear the robe that I wore when I was pregnant. That is actually my brother's that I stole for when I was pregnant. It's pajama day. It's pajama day tomorrow next week for the next episode. We're recording tomorrow. We're recording it tomorrow, but it's next week for all of you. If you have encounters or theories about the flight or just encounters

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