257. Aliens Abduct Fishermen in Pascagoula, Mississippi

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very spy hello how's our pregnant ghostess uh I'm great I'm fine I'm good I was thinking I don't know what's there to report nothing well now I've taken time to process and I was thinking about how I was just like minding my own business getting ready to record and I was about to tell you about how my fingertips get like numb when I'm cold and then which is so dumb yeah you had a big concern about your fingertips no but it's not because that's a circulation issue and that could be serious okay yes but like in comparison like your life is I just feel

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so happy and I'm so happy for you thanks but my my pregnancy issues don't take away from your needs either so you can tell me about your Frozen fingertips still I'm not going to be like ow well if you think that's bad wait till you get zapped in your butthole I'll be fine no I know and I know you will hear my medical issues any time but I more mean like how mundane and how boring was the thing that people were going to listen to if you had not shared that news okay wait can I actually tell you that did I texed you this yesterday I think I did that my blood work that was sent off to figure out the sex of the child FedEx just never came and picked up any of the blood work that was done at this lab for like two or three weeks over the holidays so my doctor just called and she was so apologetic but she was also like pissed cuz obviously it was FedEx it wasn't the lab's fault or

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my doctor's office fault or anything it was like the person who came in a couple days ago from FedEx to pick up like their weekly blood thing was like why is this thing so filled and that's how they figured it out so now I have to I don't even care about waiting I hate giving blood work and now I have to do it again oh my doctor literally she was like do you want me to send someone to your house to collect your blood from you and I was like no I'll just come in I I'd rather be like laying in the chair and have the people around me in case you faint yeah I'll have apple juice yeah rather than someone just do it and be like great you're done and then leave and I'm like on the floor I realized

I fainted

that they can't give you apple juice if you fainted because you can't have apples they've tried before when I fainted CU I faint like every other time wait I do want to say that what over the holiday break I was in my hometown where I grew up and I was walking through

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Marshalls and I was so Brian and I check out and I was so oblivious I was just like if head down not even thinking about anything because there's nothing happening in my brain anymore there's just empty space so no processing no deep thinking nothing just totally zoned out and I'm like walking down past all of the cashiers and there's someone in line and they are like excuse me excuse me I just assumed they were saying excuse me to one of the cashiers cuz I was walking by all of them with them Brian goes Karen and I like look at Brian and he was like pointing to this person and I was like hello and it was a listener that I met in my hometown which has never happened before her name was Ellen and she just moved to the area from another part of from St Johnsbury but I do want to say I have no idea if she spotted us before but when we were in Marshall's we were in the baby section and we bought a blanket and so I was like did she know before anyone else that I was pregnant like if she actually

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observed what we were doing oh my gosh

Ellen shoutout

Ellen shout out to Ellen hi Ellen that's so funny yeah I want to know what baby blanket you got gosh now it's like you have house stuff that you need to be posting and you have to post all the baby things that you're getting I had these big plans for like I'm G to post all of my house stuff the reality is is I'm like braless sweaty in my pajamas doing the housework stuff so like I don't even take progress picture or videos or anything so I feel like once things are finished people will see things but I'm not going to be some home influencer not some home like chronicling all of the projects that I'm doing like I thought I was going to in the beginning it just it's too much for

Being an influencer

me I will say it does give you a lot of respect for people who do do that because in any regard like any influencer like it's so much work to do something and think about content at the same time like no there was one time I truly like you know like those times

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where you irrationally get angry for no reason but like there's just like certain things that make you angry so this is like year one or two of our podcast and we were sponsored by thread up and they asked us to do like a social media post and I had gotten like a couple dresses from thread up and I was like super excited about them I thought they were beautiful but it was the first time that I had to do like to my face like oh my gosh I got this dress I've never been so irrationally angry I got so like I even like I I feel it just remembering like and I was like this is so unnatural I hate this so much I look stupid like what do I say I feel the exact same way it really takes people getting over this like mental hurdle to be able to put themselves in front of a camera and share things like that especially recommendations in the world that we live in too where it's like like even on Tik Tok like it's always this person's eligible for a commission Tik Tok shop like anyone can do it but it's

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hard and it's also for some reason it's embarrassing and it shouldn't be but it feels embarrassing when you're doing it I'm not cut out for it this is why I am cut out for the life of a ghost I excel when no one can see me I am great at pulling pranks at scaring people like I think I was born to be a ghost okay wait I have an idea you have five months to get really good at Ash projection so that you can come and visit my child whenever you want your baby's growing up and like looking up in the ceiling and it's just me like hovering over them wait I was dying laughing my cousin Lanie she's so funny over the holidays when I was with her she just like we're out to dinner and she just pulls up her phone and she starts taking a picture of my cousin Kate like so close up on her face and she goes don't worry it's not of you and and I just thought it was so

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funny that she said that and I was like you have to make this a series and then she joked about how the first time she meets my child she's going to be like crying and being like don't worry it's not of you and like taking it like two two Ines from the kid's face no well I will say I'll say this here too just to prep everyone I will share things about like our life and family and kids and stuff through the podcast but I also because I've been online so much and seen so much I'll just prepare people now that I'm not going to be the parent

The year of the boy

that probably posts pictures of their child and that is your choice so just telling you now before it even comes but let me know what people think this kid is because I've been taking a lot of votes I only have one vote for boy I guess two if Brian is included in that and everyone else is saying a girl it's the year of the boy though if you ask anyone who Works in labor and delivery

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there's a lot of boys coming out really I guess so it's been 11 days it's 11 days of boys it could turn around come on girls let's go oh man the year of the Barbie movie is over Ken is taking over Dojo Mojo what's he call it Ken's Dojo Mojo Casa house there you go casa house so good any who we are here not to talk about ghost but to talk about aliens because there is a pretty famous abduction case that happened 50 years ago this past October 2023 was the 50e anniversary of this abduction and so there's a lot of extra research and interviews and articles that have recently come out about it so I thought what a better time to revisit the abduction that we've actually never talked about but maybe other people have heard and be scared um okay I'm really excited cuz

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this is also like a really Infamous case right it is yes it's like arguably one of the more famous slw documented cases of alien abduction I'm so excited

Alien Pill Pillow

because we haven't talked about aliens in so long I know we deserve this Sabrina this one's for you when I go get my alien pill pillow it feels rude not to yeah that would be wrong here we are my love has joined us have you named it uh my love it's just my love it's just my love I'm not great with names I will take suggestions but honestly I think when we meet in real life for the first time I'll know their name they won't even tell you their name they'll just telepathically I'll feel it give you you'll feel it you'll know it oh I just got like turned on it's like an all knowing being that comes to you wait

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sorry one more baby comment and then I'll stop talking we talk about aliens but yesterday I told Freya and she asked if we knew like what we were going to name the child and I was like we've been really struggling to agree on something and I was like but oddly the one thing we agreed on was Brian and I were going back and forth and he said like yuck it's like one of the names that I suggested and so I was trying to like rebuttal and I was like well I'm not going to name something like and then at the exact same time we both said Xenon so the only thing Brian and I can agree on and are perfectly in sync and sayate the same exact time as what we're not naming the child and that is Xenon well there go all my hopes and dreams for my Xenon niece I know Xenon was she was sweet I mean zetus lepus it's a great name I would love to rewatch that we should do like a watch party we always we always say this and we never do I know well we should doesn't mean we will yeah should is very

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different I also should have more time in the day I should do so many adult things and I keep them off there's this

Ive Got Dreams

one line from one of the Noah con songs where he says I've got dreams but I can't make myself believe them and I feel like that's basically our Anthem oh all righty okay 50 years ago on the evening of October 11th 1973 two men set out on the West Bank of the Pascagoula River in Mississippi Charles Hixon who was 42 and Calvin Parker 19 brought with them fishing gear and they were eager to just have a relaxing evening on the water it was kelvin's first day on the job at FB Walker and Sons Shipyard and Charles I I read somewhere that Charles helped him get the job but then I also some of the interviews made it sound like maybe they just met that first day on the job so I'm not really sure what their

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relationship to each other was prior to this outing but basically Calvin was new in town this was his first day at work and Charles was like hey let's kind of celebrate your first day and recover from the day and let's go out fishing Calvin's like well I don't have any of my fishing gear and Charles is like that's okay you can borrow some of mine and Charles was a very big Fisher and I guess Calvin thought this was like one of the nicest things someone could ever do is know this like prized fisherman who feels so passionately about fishing in this area too in this time to just so without second thought share all of his stuff with Calvin so Calvin is excited he's feeling very good about this outing and is excited and then also it's good timing because not only was it his first day on the job but Calvin's wedding was just a month away so I'm sure there was a lot of stress and anxiety and just like having a quiet moment on on the Still Water would be great and also like

New Job

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starting a job for the first day like your first day at a new job like the amount of numes that you have like how are you going to perform how are you going to get along with other people like your job comes becomes so much of your life that yeah this is like the best sign that you're GNA have a great coworker and it's G to bring you peace like it's a good job to have right and it's like when you leave the job on that first day I feel like you just go over everything you relive every single moment because you're trying to remember what you're supposed to do for the next day so it is nice to just be like nope you're done for the day like worry about that tomorrow you had to clock out yes the first location that they went to was just swarming with bugs and they're like okay well if we stay here we're going to get eaten alive we shouldn't go here so they head back towards the shipyard and Charles ignores the signs that say posted no trespassing and kelvin's nervous but Charles is like hey I fish here all the time don't worry wor about it like this is my spot so they walk

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down this old kind of rickety pier and they cast their lines and they begin to relax into the evening but there's no biting happening on the other end of the line so they're uncertain whether they're going to stay there but they're still giving it some time seeing if the fish are going to bite MH the sun is now no longer visible below the Horizon but the glow of the sun crept through the tree line and over towards this side of the river it sounds so pretty it does sound very beautiful and there's also where they were there was it wasn't super remote I feel like I'm making it sound like they're in this like little creek like there was a big bridge to the left of them the way you

Romance

painted the picture makes me think of the notebook and all of a sudden now I'm like thinking romance and I think that's on my mind because of aliens and I know where this is going but I feel like I'm listening to like a sexy story yeah it feels like this swampy Little Creek and there's just like to and relaxing in their rowboat but no they're standing on

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this like rickety dilapidated Pier next to a bridge swampy little [ __ ] waiting for her aliens Shrek H but still you know the setting might not be as beautiful as we're picturing in the moment but to them it was it was quite relaxing out on the water it's peaceful regardless and it's also like let's remember it's Mississippi and even though it's October they were coming off of summer days that are 100 and even in October I literally looked up the weather during this year I was like what was the weather in Pascagoula in 1973 in October because I was like what were were they wearing t-shirts like I just wanted to know sure and it was hot it was in the 80s during the day and it dipped only to like 68 so it probably was like 68 at 2: a.m. so I'm sure it was you know there was some welcome relief felt by them having the coolness come off the water so the

The noise

Stillness and the solitude of the Pascagoula River in front of them was

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soon interrupted but not by fish biting instead there was a strange noise that suddenly and inexplicably surrounded them it was like this woring buzzing pulsing noise that was coming through the river and basically all over them I picture it like if you were to hear a helicopter but couldn't see the helicopter above you kind of like the woo woo woo woo sort of noise right which is ominous very and it's all over and then the sound not only are they hearing this but they're also starting to notice that there are these blue flashes on the water so Calvin turns to Charles and he goes Charlie we in trouble you lied to me and we fixed him to go to jail cuz he was like oh my God these lights are probably from like a police cruiser because we're trespassing in this Shipyard and they're coming to arrest us I was like wait what do legal activity have they been doing okay but

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now I get it yeah yeah they were trespassing and and fishing and who knows if you even needed a fishing license back then and for the river I don't know but Calvin surely didn't have one maybe Charles did right so they turned back to head down the dock and maybe try to like evade the cops I don't know but they notice amongst the twilight sky that there is this object it's hovering and it's still it's massive but it's just 2T from the ground it's oval in shape the disc is about 30 to 40t in length and it's 8 to 10t tall so it's kind of skinny it's very typical of what we see like the photo depictions and right but this is massive huge and it's so close to them they said originally it was like 40t or so from them and as they're staring in probably wonder but also Terror I don't even know if it was Wonder I think it was probably just sheer panic in Terror at that point cuz you're like what the hell is this

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you can't really think of anything but they're Frozen with fear and they're watching as the ship opens and three figures Glide out Charles and Kelvin are nearly Blinded By the Light that's emanating from the craft so there were these blue lights going and reflecting off of the water but as these beings and the ship opened it just gets brighter and brighter and brighter and they can barely see like they can't even run because like they could run off the dock like they have no idea where they are they just are basically Frozen in place completely blinded but these creatures make their way towards Calvin and Charles and as they get closer the light is a little bit less blinding and they can start making out what these creatures are who these figures are you

The creatures

know what's so wild about this encounter is that traditionally when you hear about alien abductions or alien encounters they're like a blinding light or like something happens in the car and then all of a sudden like they've lost time and then they're back somewhere whereas this is so like the length of

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time that they are consciously experiencing these beings is so different from previous or other stories that we've heard totally it is really interesting some of the details too I feel like come up like in the actual abduction on the ship piece that they remember come up in other cases that we've heard too so I'm curious to hear your thoughts on those when we get to them so the creatures when they get towards these men Calvin and Charles they notice that they don't physically need to walk like they have two legs but they're hovering they're gliding across the ground all three of the figures are about six feet tall and they appeared to be almost robotic like like Charles remembers that he didn't even register that these could be aliens he like truly thought there were Robots coming and abducting them because they looked so robotic in their movement and physical appearance and yet they've resembled humans enough so it's like if you picture a human and you just draw like the basic outline like it has feet and legs and a torso and arms and hands and

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head but everything about each individual piece is off so their skin is gray but it's not like the smooth gray or the shiny gray that we sometimes hear associated with when people meet the quote unquote gray aliens the Grays instead they had elephant like skin so it was like really tough and their head was super round and bullet shaped almost like it was like really it's kind of like a Gumdrop head and then in so many of the photo depictions of them they had these kind of like spikes coming out of their head around the circum it's almost like a slug like slug eyes interesting it also sounds so like animalistic yeah like they're they have this body armor for survival that's interesting because he had the tough skin and even they didn't say anything about eyes so maybe those sort of things poking out were the eyes but their mouths were just like these tiny little

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slits so there wasn't much great for kissing of an opening yeah lovely smell little slivers love slivers in place of their hands were they were hands but they were like almost crab claws so it was a thumb and then just all one large finger on the top it was like if you welded all of our fingers together and just made this sort of crab claw that was what they had for hands and then they had a very similar thing for their feet it was just like two sort of slits for toes my question

Charles and Calvin

is like and maybe you'll you'll get to that but like after this experience where these two men interviewed separately like and they Rec both recalled the physical descriptions of these beings so perfectly like do they both see the exact same thing yes okay Charles and Calvin in this moment they couldn't do anything but watch they're completely Frozen in fear they're blinded by that light and they're along

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this darkening River in the shipyard it's kind of hard to Traverse anyway and so they stand there and the beings meet them the beings hold out their little grabby crab claws and they grip their forearms with their alien Pinchers one of the beings grabs Charles's forearm two of the other beings cuz there's three of them in total grab Calvin and they don't walk them forward they just levitate all five of them are just suddenly floating and levitating over to the ship and get into the ship this is

astral abduction

reiterating my theory or a it's not mine because I didn't come up with it but a theory about alien abductions that it's like an astral abduction where it's not your physical body but it's your astral body because the way that they're floating and especially like a lot of the times like people don't other observers don't notice anything weird happening which makes me think that like if I were a innocent standby bystander

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bystander and I was like I saw these like two men fishing I wouldn't see anything weird happen I would just see two men in their boat kind of like I don't know seemingly in a trance fishing right they're just like frozen there on the dock with their fishing lines and you wouldn't notice anything at all especially with fishing because like people do stand really still yeah yeah huh that is interesting especially because we're so connected to our astral bodies like when people talk about astral projecting or having near-death experiences it takes people a second to realize that they're not actually in their body because all of our Consciousness and every all of our thoughts are like within our astral body right and if they can't move all they can do is like see what's happening like they can't really turn backwards to look and see that their bodies are still there nor would that be their right their first thought of something to do because they're currently being abducted by aliens turn away from the scary thing that's grabbing you right so once they're at the front of of the craft the creatures inject them like basically put

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like a needle in their arms and inject them with what Calvin later would called the go to hell shot it was almost like a tranquilizer all of the panic that they had just completely subsided Calvin remembers being super apathetic he was like I was conscious of everything but I I just didn't really care what happened at this point I was just completely apathetic I was just an observer at that point I am glad it didn't like knock them out yeah cuz then it's like maybe it should have oh okay so not only can they not feel their own emotions and fear but they are now physically paralyzed so they're no longer paralyzed from just their primal fear but from this medical intervention so these beings are placing their Frozen paralyzed bodies onto trays basically and like leading them down into these rooms and the tables that they're placed on are made entirely of glass they're each in separate rooms from what I could

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gather from the story in Calvin's room he remembers that the creature that had led him into the room left the room and then an object that was about the size of a deck of cards and had this circular shape in the middle it came down from the ceiling and it moved around him and it made these clicking noises and then it shot back up to the ceiling and so he said at the time he didn't really register exactly like what this thing could be but after reflecting on it he was like it kind of sounded similar to what we have in MRI machines so he was curious if it was examining him in that sort of way Charles had a similar thing happen but this is the thing like they described the thing that was examining them differently so Calvin was like there was a deck of cards with a circle in the middle basically Charles remembers an eyeball appearing and it too was floating and just like the deck of cards object that Calvin had in his room the I began to examine Charles and

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Charles and Calvin both said that they remained conscious for the majority of the time they believe potentially the entire time and Charles said that he remembers though he was kept in this paralyzed State the examination that he experienced was unlike Calvin's because Charles said it was a full body examination like he was like you know when you go to the doctor and you get like basically insinuating like a prostate exam and things like that like there was probing

aliens have better health care

involved okay but I feel like I'm continuously just finding ways to like ADV justify the aliens Behavior well okay because I feel like I personally would love to have and I don't understand why we don't just like have this like every year you get your entire body scanned for everything and I know that you can pay you can pay to do that but it's not like a it's not part of your yearly physical and I feel like the aliens are just doing it because the aliens have Better Health Care than we do in America because they focus on

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preventative care rather than treating diseases after they happen that's all funded by because I imagine that they also grow your own food people I imagine they use this equipment on themselves as well like this is yeah yeah I am curious though like why them and what they were looking for it's a good question yeah all right so Charles is getting all of his nooks and crannies checked out back in Calvin's room his examination done he mentioned nothing about nooks and crannies he just said the thing clicked around him and then went back up to the ceiling but now a smaller alien has entered the room he although he's completely paralyzed he said that he could roll his head so he's on this glass table and he turns his head just enough towards the creature that he can actually watch her and he said that he knew it was or he felt like it was female because she presented herself as a woman and he said she she looked so much like a human woman that if he had

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been like a little drunk at a bar and he was single he was like maybe I would have gone up and hit on her like she looked human she was not like these other like leathery slug like I'm so obsessed creatures now I have a theory that aliens work with humans like they are humans on the ships well okay this is the thing that I thought was interesting because he said that her two middle fingers are what indicated to him that she was not actually human because they were much much longer than our regular humans would be and it made me think of all of the other abduction cases and just stories that we've heard in our inbox from people who've experienced things I feel like in so many situations there's one person who appears to be human but there's something just off like just slightly off about them that shows or would suggest that they're not human so it's like what is happening are these different races of alien working together is there some sort of like human alien hybrid also on the ship and

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how do I sign up what are these like humanik aliens roles here because there's usually just one of them in all of these stories which makes it even more confusing and then like what's the

whats the point

point like I get that you're trying I guess like oh if if they see something or someone that looks familiar to them psychologically they'll feel more comfortable but you've already put them through such right psychological trauma and confusion like at that point does that really really do anything I don't know true because if you really wanted to not make them Panic as much why not have the human looking ones go collect them right into the ship right yeah great point like I don't know what what the point of these figures are I would be so good at abductions like hit me up I will be the lure I will lure people in for you you're like step on from SNL and you're like you get off the ship and you're like there's a hot new bar and I have to take you there just

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follow me nothing weird happening here yeah nothing weird to uh ask about just come follow me like there's puppies in there go look the new Cat Cafe it just happens to be floating in this oblong special disc

unwilling participants

here's another question too because it's like these two guys are unwilling participants like they were abducted it's like they're not they don't choose it there are so many people myself included who would willingly subject themselves to an abduction so why not come for us maybe it's just you're not in the right place at the right time maybe it's completely random maybe there's something that already exists within those people that are chosen maybe there's like usually just one Target and just anyone else who's with them just happens to be also victim to sure who knows okay who knows I just

referral program

feel like like there's a good amount of people in this world who are sick like

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me who would just willingly be like hey beam me up we can do this consensually talk me through the process and if I'm not what you're looking for let me know what you're looking for I'm sure there are people out there who would sign up yeah you're like oh I can refer a friend I know someone just like that I have the perfect person for you let me submit their resume and then there's like a Rewards program where like if you refer someone you get a free ride on the spaceship oh that would be sweet do you think you would actually react positively in the moment cuz there's so much like fight ORF flight like there's so much that we're not in control of in our in how our own animal bodies react I guess if I was talked through

science experiment

everything that was happening and I was able to like back out if I was like actually hey I am not comfortable with this I would totally sign up up like it's like a I almost said science experiment but I meant like an FDA trial

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like a medicine medical trial you know right this is reminding me a bit of everything that was just going on a couple weeks ago at the mall in Miami when people were saying that they were seeing these alien beings and how so many people were like why didn't you get footage or why don't you do this and I even had the thought myself of like would I observe these alien creatures for long enough to realize like maybe they didn't mean any harm and and potentially try to communicate with them but one of the guys who witnessed it he made a really good point he's like there is no thought process other than holy [ __ ] we have no clue what's going on this is beyond any of our comprehension of how we experience the world you are in total fight ORF flight you are so crippled with fear that you cannot logically think of anything in that moment that's fair I mean it totally

alien woman

makes sense why for the most part alien

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encounters go unnoticed and unseen and that they Shield themselves from visibility because of that exact reason right okay well so this alien woman human looking thing you would think that she was there to make Kelvin feel more comfortable but not really sure what her purpose was because what she did next definitely did not make Calvin feel comfortable she placed a hand with her Giant long middle fingers on his jaw and then she opened his jaw opened his mouth as far as she could and then quite forcefully she placed her right hand into his mouth she fisted him and with her fingers she fisted his mouth with her fingers she started scraping her fingers down the back of his throat and so he starts gagging and now his mouth is bleeding cuz he's getting like scraped and roughed up and like can barely breath he's like literally getting gagged and his reaction really

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startled her like she wasn't expecting him to actually be injured like she recoiled and appeared almost to be worried that he was hurt so she clearly had no understanding of like maybe the air passage and just the delicacy of like the tissues in the mouth and throat because she the delicacy it's delicacy in certain cultures of aliens to just scrape and then lick the back of humans throats yuck but she appeared to be really worried and then this he said immediately she took her hand out and then this sound just roared from her throat and he was like if you've ever heard an alligator's mating call it sounded like that it was this like deep vibrating groan I've never heard an

alligator mating call

alligator's mating call now I'm curious or should we look one up really quick yeah and play it yeah

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it's like really deep and it's like oh I can't do it nope can't actually it sounds like the Rainforest Cafe like noises that you hear the Rainforest Cafe yes yeah it does sound like the Rainforest Cafe and then like it's like if the grudge were an installation in the Rainforest Cafe that's kind of what it sounds like so it seems like this sound that came from her was actual communication and language perhaps because it signaled that original alien creature who brought Calvin into the ship and into this observation room to return to the room so this creature like rushed in and he lifted or it lifted Calvin and it carried him back down the hallway out of the ship and back to the banks of the river so now that he was injured they were like holy [ __ ] get rid of the evidence we botched the this one dump him back where we got him when Calvin

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gets dumped Charles is also there so both of the men are now returned at like the same time to the shore they're freaking out they're confused they're understandably traumatized from this event and they're both like what are we supposed to do next are we safe like do we tell someone okay so where's the boat is the boat in the water still or is it also at the shore like I'm sorry they were never they were never on a boat so they had just walked to the shore of the river and were like at one spot it was too buggy so they walked through the shipyard and were just on a like little pier like a little dock yes that was my fault because I was picturing the notebook the first version too I had to like change my edits because I kept writing boat too but no they were they were on a dock I'm also picturing Tiana from Princess and the Frog too like scenes from that and the lightning bugs and yes all those things it does feel reminiscent of that but that's not what

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they were experiencing it's so sick that we're talking about an alien abduction and both of us have romance on our mind what is going well even you when you were like I mean I'd be abducted if they like talk me through it and it's consensual like there I bet a lot of people would say that too like that I guess that makes sense I think ever since I've started reading aatar Accord of thorns and Roses I've just been in like a romance mood hey that's good and it's maybe it's time to finally watch the shape of water that movie oh that's a good idea I've never seen it me neither because it seemed weird but now maybe it's let's live live watch that live stream that we should it's like this alien amphibian creature and a human woman getting it on or so the so it seems via the trailer yeah so obviously Calvin and Charles were no longer going to continue fishing now that they're pack on these Banks instead they go right back to Charles's car and Charles he's shaking and he

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grabs a bottle of liquor that he had in there and he takes a few swigs to help settle his nerves and oddly when they opened the car door which was like a relatively new car the glass of the window just shattered so it was like something that happened I mean I'm making an assumption here but it would appear that something with the vibration and Mumble of The Craft and whatever kind of energy emanated from the ship it affected the things around it and so the glass was sensitive I guess I'm picturing like

energy shift

there's like some weird energy shift that happened to their bodies and so when they like went to go open the door like a jolt of energy shot through their hand oh maybe cuz we're conductors so yeah right as soon as they touch the metal it's like a poof yeah it could be huh so the men they get inside the car and they begin to to drive home and Charles is immediately like hey I think

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we need to tell someone about this I think we need to report what happened there are robots in the sky that are abducting people here in Pascagoula authorities should know and kelvin's like I wanted a quiet simple life and if we tell people we're going to be the people that were abducted by aliens and what just happened to us is so traumatizing do we really want people to know the details of like what we just experienced also I'm just picturing this is like first day of work gets home hey hone how was your day uh where do I start I got mouth fisted by an alien lady didn't know that was my thing poor Calvin I feel I almost feel worse for him there was just so much new happening with him and like his wedding was coming up he was supposed to be excited about that what about lady alien she didn't mean to mess up and she messed up I feel bad for her she could have at least done like a nice I don't know like a numbing spring in the back of the throat or whatever I'm picturing like the first time that I got tips put

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on my fingers and I like couldn't button my jeans and like I'm imagining she just got a manicure for the first time and she was going to do her normal business but she didn't know how to use her new fingernails oh yeah and she's like [ __ ] I knew I shouldn't have gotten tips her middle fingers aren't actually extra long at all she just discovered the American snack Bugles and stacked a bunch of them on her fingers wow she's like that I've seen kids do this so throw back all right but they were going back and forth with each other cuz Calvin didn't want to be publicly known as an alien abducted it didn't feel sure right but Charles was like I really do think it's our responsibility to like aliens are here and we were just abducted we're not supposed to tell the rest of the or at least a couple humans that are in Authority positions to like potentially do something mhm so they end up from the car calling kler Air Force Base and booy and they told him that they don't have any division for for like alien

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reportings and basically told him to call the local authorities so they called the Jackson County Sheriff's department and reported the incident the deputies wrote down the details that were described to them and then they let Charles and Calvin know that they'd submit the police report it was now officially in but the police said that they assumed that when they were getting this information from Calvin and Charles that Calvin and Charles were just super drunk and basically like telling this phony story that they' convinced themselves of sure but despite the Oddity of the story Captain Glenn Ryder at the time he was the captain of the police force he admitted that when he read the report he laughed a bunch because he thought it was baloney but he called Charles and Calvin and he was like Hey I do want to talk to you about this report can you come in for a formal interview and so Charles and Calvin they went in but what they didn't know was that the police had already hidden a tape recorder in the interview room hoping to catch the men

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in a lie so the plan was like go in talk to them leave the room leave Charles and Calvin there together for some time and on the tape recording probably get something where they're like coming up with a new detail right you know saying comments like do you think they believe us you know like things that would indicate maybe that they were lying and making it up and trying to get their story straight I do appreciate that they even entertained conversing with them because I feel like and I have no like personal knowledge on this but like I do imagine there are probably a lot of police departments that get calls that are a little bit like out of left field like this and I bet there's like a protocol to be like okay maybe you do like a mental health check or whatnot but you don't do a full report so I do appreciate even though they're trying to like discredit the report that they are investigating it yeah that's true because it would be so easy I'm sure there's so many reports rep that just are passed on and if the people that took in the report to tell their Captain

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like I think these guys were super drunk like maybe it really would just get tossed to the side right but it didn't and that's good it's good that they took all these precautions and so they did the first part of the interview and then Captain Ryder and the other investigator they got up and they left the room here is the conversation or part of the conversation that they captured on the tape Calvin they were really concerned Charles it scared me to death too son you can't get over it in a lifetime Jesus Christ have mercy so the men this is kind of how their conversation goes throughout the time that they were left there alone they spoke about being concerned for their families the trauma that they were experiencing like from the event and they talked more about what happened to them how scared they were and at one point Calvin is pretty upset and he appears to like basically start praying so there's nothing that would indicate that this is a hoax right Captain Ryder said that when he was listening to the tape he could just hear

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the fear in their voices and from what he could tell there was no deceit the very next day the story of the abduction hit the headlines and though their identities kind of remained a secret for a second the pasula alien abduction was now public news and as soon as uo enthusiasts and investigators and news reporters heard this they all showed up to pasula Mississippi to find out his much as they could about these robot craike creatures in the sky and with it hundreds of more reports of UFO sightings flooded into the police stations over the next two weeks some of them seemed actually credible one man who was operating a crane at night on his work site reported seeing a large ship floating just above the river there was also a couple driving over a bridge and I'm curious if it was the same bridge that was just to the left of Kelvin and Charles's fishing spot interesting but they were driving over a bridge and I think it might have been at night maybe I'm making up that detail

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but they were driving over a bridge and they reported also seeing a large vessel with a blue light flying just over the river below there was another couple who saw a blue light and a gray creature in the water so it like one of the creatures was out like maybe playing in the water I don't know taking a little swim mning exercise taken in the healing properties of running river water I don't know but on November 6th there was also a whole fishing party so like a group of people who had a sighting they saw and this is now like 3 weeks later almost four weeks later there was a fishing party who saw what appeared to be a quite a large and illuminated vessel beneath the water which went by their boat and this thing actually ran into one of their ores so then they start to chase it with their motorboat but then they eventually lose the thing it was described in one of the Articles as like a game of cat and mouse between their boat and whatever this makes me

water creatures

wonder we have not studied our own Waters like bodies of water that much

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these creatures like I'm picturing almost like hippos like that that's like the type of skin which are water creatures like what if these are not outer space aliens but like deep ocean water aliens oh my gosh that's an interesting thought especially because their spacecraft does so easily Glide in the water and it was never seen high up in the sky it was always near the water near the surface hovering just above inter so this party they eventually lose this craft that's underneath the water and then they go immediately to the Coast Guard and they report it to the Coast Guard the Coast Guard then sets out on a boat cuz they're like what the [ __ ] is there some freaking Submarine that's illegally operating In this River and they see and experience the same exact thing so this sort of cat and mouse like Chase with this glowing craft beneath the water interacting with the boat and this is the Coast Guard who's reporting it not just people who you know a lot of the UFO reports that came in over those next few weeks a lot of

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them weren't thought to be credible right but this is the Coast Guard confirming what all this whole group just experienced clearly these beings

they need something

need something or are looking for something in this area because otherwise the attention and like now everyone looking for them if I were them I'd be like okay time to get out of here like move on to the next place but it feels like they have a mission and a reason to be there and I wonder what that was right cuz they were there for a full month at least based on the sightings and reports huh and they didn't seem to have much fear of the humans or being seen so there were multiple other sightings some of them even happened before Charles and kelvin's story were made public so clearly there was something in the area Charles and Calvin agreed after they were interviewed by the police and before it hit the press that they were not going to tell anyone that they were the ones that experienced the abduction they did the report now they were going to live their quiet little lives as peacefully as they could after that traumatic event with their own families and just leave it at that

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but the next day at work news Vans were already waiting for them so their identities somehow had been leaked within a second oh no two of the people who came in within the first 36 hours of this being public knowledge were ufologist Dr Jay Allen hinck and Dr James Harder heck had apparently worked on some really big cases like UFO cases for the US Air Force course Project Blue Book and so these researchers they got Calvin and Charles to agree to be hypnotized which I'm not sure if all I read that they were hypnotized three times I'm not sure if all three times were from the same people or if these were just separate cases where they just agreed to be hypnotized by different researchers and ufologists or law enforcement this reminds me a lot of the the three women yes who were I thought about that a lot while I was researching this that you covered a year two ago

Mona Stafford

Lisa I'm blanking on their names but there was like three women who were abducted and this is like a pretty

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famous case and they yeah they were all hypnotized to let me look um because it was none of them were drinking they'd gone out for one of their birthdays and they were all in a car driving back home together from the restaurant they went to it like 5:00 pm or something oh I think it was like the Mona Stafford Elaine Thomas Louise Smith in Stanford Kentucky that was the abduction we covered right and in that abduction some of them had really wild physical things that happened to them like different reactions and like the one where the birds and like animals were really terrified of her afterwards yeah yeah yeah to my knowledge Charles and Kelvin didn't have any reactions like this okay that's good it also sounds like because they to their knowledge were conscious the entire time that they were in the aircraft it sounds like potentially if certain things hadn't happened like if Kelvin hadn't been injured Maybe they would have been in there a lot longer and then who knows what would have what experiments would have happened yeah but

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Calvin and Charles they underwent hypnosis three different times they did voice stress tests they even at one point did a polygraph test and they passed so these two men underwent a bunch of things with people just trying to like investigate and see if there was credibility to their story and they just they passed every single thing but they would never live and peace and Pascagoula with their identities known Charles did not care as much but Calvin lost a number of jobs after reporters continued to show up at his work so he'd get a new job within a few weeks reporters would find out where he was working they would relentlessly show up ask for interviews and he would lose his job so he decided he was going to change his identity and he started going by Randy so Calvin was now Randy every time reporters found him even as Randy he would pack up his whole family and he would would just move so over and over again their family they were basically like on the Run jeez because he did not

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want the story it interfered with their livelihood like he couldn't keep a job if he stayed put as he was I mean that breaks my heart and it's also like I feel like there should be a government like witness protection situation for these people so that they can at least restart their life and not have to continuously do it over and over like it's yeah it's traumatizing for those who want it yeah right but like this guy clearly he doesn't want to be continuous no like moving his I can't imagine and even being the kids like that's not a life you want maybe there is some sort of assistance program like that true maybe because you always hear like the conspiracy theories where people report seeing a something on the top of mountain or whatever and then they go missing it's like maybe they're not dead maybe they're just their identities were changed to protect them from maybe like another group that was looking to who knows I'm getting lost in the sauce here but that happened a long long time ago yeah these men Calvin and Charles they were abducted they were inspected they

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were probed by aliens but one of the more traumatic parts of their abduction story was the constant stalking of the media to talk about their abduction yeah some of their friends didn't believe them some of their relatives didn't believe them and at one point Kelvin soon to be father-in-law so his fiance's dad basically showed not as much support for their marriage and was questioning whether his daughter should go through with marrying Calvin but his father-in-law actually later apologized and said son I owe you an apology I didn't believe you in this happened but I've seen something since and I believe it there's no doubt in my mind that this happened to you so I have no idea what this man saw but it completely changed from him being like this guy's phony baloney my daughter shouldn't marry him he seems like he's going to have a chaotic life to being like holy [ __ ] aliens are real and people are being abducted I was thinking about this

Who Are We

recently because you and I have a very specific approach to conversing about the Paranormal about aliens about all

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types of Supernatural extraterrestrial things where we are so open to believing and we we have both kind of like not even like out loud verbalized it but like we are under the impression that who are we to question someone's reality if someone says they experien something then we want to believe it and ALS so fully understand it and acknowledge that like we don't know everything that's out there we don't have the ability to confirm like this story like for example we can't say it didn't happen we weren't there we can't say it did happen but like this is real and it was real for these two men it was their experience so who are we to say otherwise and I think sometimes that can like people who come to listen to our podcast I've noticed there are certain people are like they believe anything it's like well why not we appreciate the wonder that comes with different stories and I think that we

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also have this belief of like well if we are open enough to the everchanging landscape or understanding of what this life even is we're going to adapt a little bit better and yeah there is some peace and serenity and kind of like having your blinders on and being like no this is exactly how life is BL I'm never going to believe any of this stuff but the people who have sometimes more trauma associated with these types of events and have a harder time coping because your world gets Your World Views are shattered like everything you thought to be true is no longer true like you have no understanding of life and who you are and you get into this like existential dread sometimes yeah it hits those people harder right because they've never allowed themselves to wonder and go down that thought process it doesn't mean that you and I live every single day being like they're cowd like alien creatures coming for you and the government's poisoning your soil and yeah I mean I believe that you know in private with my microphone in front of my face so not so private but

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yeah to your point we like to entertain the idea that anything can be possible and I think if we take a historical approach to this too if we just look at what people believed in 300 years ago a thousand years ago things change and it is a scientific approach to always question whether something that we think is true is true right like that's part of the scientific method is trying to disprove things all the time and figure out exactly what layers were missing on top of the information we believe already exists right and also this is a

The Aftermath

storytelling podcast this is not a investigative podcast like we're not going out into the field to like do a scientific study to prove or disprove something we're truly just regaling the tales enjoying them and choosing to believe people and their experiences yes yeah well and while Calvin and Charles didn't always have everyone believing in them they knew what happened to them that night their credibility and their

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lives were forever changed after that day on the pasula river and in 2011 Charles passed away remember he was 42 at the time of the abduction back in the 70s so he was older much older at this point so in 2011 Charles passed away but throughout his life he continued to be pretty vocal about his experience so while Kelvin spent decades trying to hide and shy away from what happened to him Charles would go on talk shows he would participate in lectures he would give interviews and he even published a book in 1983 because he was like I cannot understand why I was chosen I can't understand why this happened to me and what they wanted but I'm determined to let other people know that if they've encountered something similar they're not alone no and we have no answers we don't know what's going on but it doesn't mean that it didn't happen to you may that's like the exact sentiment that we just shared yeah yes yeah Charles and us we saw we saw a here yeah oh that's sweet since Charles is passing

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Calin has decided to take a different approach and he has started to speak about the abduction again and use his real name some 40 years after trying to hide all the details of that night he with the encouragement of his wife has now also written two books about the experience which I assume for he and Charles that was a very therapeutic thing to do as well to like write down and reflect on what actually happened to them and have it like exist somewhere that physically exists Beyond just in their mind where it's like hard sometimes you want to convince yourself something didn't happen sure but now it does exist it's real it happened to them it's in book form in 2019 a historical marker was placed in Lighthouse Park along the Pascagoula River near the abduction site and when the plaque was unveiled Calvin said it was one of the happiest moments of his life it was very emotional because he finally felt accepted and believed and respected the last line of the plaque

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reads there are plenty of theories about the occurrence ranging from hoax to hypnogogic Ry which is like semi- awake dreaming but for them both to be having the same semia awake dream is wild yeah like a group hallucination basically that's like you and I both having a dream about a demog penis but like the all the details of the dream were so different like everything else was so different you know right there are plenty of theories about the occurrence ranging from hoax to hypnogogic revery I'm probably saying that word wrong to a true encounter regardless it Remains the best documented case of alien abduction particularly since there's a secret tape involved in not one but two witnesses so why these beings were there we may never know but for Charles and Kelvin it was an experience that altered their lives forever they were the victims of the pasula alien abduction wow and that's there experience so wild there's also a lot that you can watch online there's like documentaries and different

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interviews that they've they've done but there's a lot of tapes available where you can watch them actually speak about their experience wow it's one of those things where it's like there isn't much we can say about it because it is mysterious and there's so many questions like why were they there what did they want why these two men was it just like right time wrong or wrong place right time I don't know like why because no one else seemed to be abducted from what I was reading I mean maybe there were reports where people are like a it's Obed but all of the ones that were referenced that appeared to be more credible were just sightings of The Craft so I do Wonder kind of like what you were saying like Right Place Wrong Time for them yeah if it was just the aliens acting on impulse it was chance it was like look around no one else is here the river is quiet these two men are completely alone in this like abandoned Shipyard because no one's working here right now and I've always wanted to scratch the of a man before so yeah maybe they were searching for the voice box or something because we sound

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so different from them it's like Ursula they're trying to steal our voices right I have no clue why but number one they had stuff to be able to examine them and to your point maybe it's cuz they use it on themselves as part of like a a health preventative measure or or what have you but based on the kind of panic and quick dumping of Calvin and Charles the second one thing went a little bit different from what they these creatures were expecting it does make me think that this was not a planned right abduction that it was In the Heat of the Moment and they two were maybe semi- panicked about what happened or there's some symmetry between these two stories and it's Calvin's first day on the job what if there's some symmetry here and it's This Woman's first day on the job as well and her first day didn't go as well as Calvin's did no she made some mistakes yeah I don't know I do wonder when people experience

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abductions like this if they were to see these aliens again and like basically have like a sit down conversation would they be able to forgive them and understand the aliens for what they did to them because obviously it's this traumatic event that affects someone forever or is what happened to them so horic that their mind cannot get to that point of understanding they're just so deeply affected by this experience that it doesn't matter why they just wished it would never happened to them because I will say there was a comment that I think it was like Charles's daughter might have said that while he did talk a lot about his curiosity as to why he was chosen and like why this happened to him he never once said I wish it never happened yeah I mean I guess it depends on the type of person like there are a lot of people who have been attacked in any sort of way or abused or hurt and either choose to forgive or decide to never forgive you

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know like it yeah it's whatever the healing process is for that person right yeah because there's certain things that I've been through in my life where I've forgiven people and then there's other things where I'm like I will never forgive that person I have to heal in my own way but I will never like address it with that person right wow um should we talk about the jellyfish UFOs yes okay so in 2018 these were just released but it's the jellyfish UFO from 2018 and I think it was in Iraq and they like were taking it was like seen through the camera but they couldn't see it with their eyes it was only visible via the thermal camera so they couldn't see it any other way let's see if I can find a good picture and even on camera they couldn't see it without the thermal lens so it's truly it was only the thermal image it's a moving video Yeah

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so basically the camera locks in well it doesn't even lock in the camera's following this they call it like the jellyfish thing cuz it's like basically this kind of squarish Round Top that has like these kind of tentacles coming off of it but the object is Frozen in its state it doesn't appear to like be wiggling or moving but it's just moving horizontally across all of the ground and you can see in the camera that there are like dogs in the background that there are cars like you can see all of this stuff one of the things that has come up about it was people questioning why the Heat Signature was changing because as it's moving you can see that it goes a little bit blacker which would indicate that it's a lot hotter and then it goes a little bit whiter but also if you look at the background people have noted that the thermal temperature of the background is also changing with it so it seems like there's maybe just like hot pockets it's going through versus like windier spots another thing was on the cameras normally they can lock in like you you use the like auto lock and that's how

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they would basically like yeah shoot or fire whatever term you want to use but their system would not lock in on this image so they could see it through the thermal camera but it would not lock in place and when you watch the video of it as it's moving like its density seems to like come and go there's certain places in the video where it like becomes more invisible and then other times where it's like more threedimensional and like a dark object and it's very clearly not a smudge on the lens like well because the lens moves it's not always perfectly in the same spot on the lens as it's tracking exactly but it does make me wonder it makes me think back to the Miami the Miami Mall incident because the Miami Mall incident some people were theorizing that maybe these beings are always around us and they just exist on a different plan L and they observe humans regularly and so when because with the Miami Mall incident they were saying that they were these like 6 to

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10et tall almost like shadowy looking figures that were floating and hovering similar to the aliens in this the pasula alien abduction incident that they were hovering they didn't actually have to walk and that they were kind of like glitching in and out so it almost looked like they were teleporting yeah weird and also these aliens in the mall people were saying who were observing them that they appeared to like look around and like watch everyone react to them but they didn't do anything it almost appeared like they were also like wait why can everyone see us now like we always come to this mall what the [ __ ] is happening and so I I saw someone on Tik Tok and of course I'm not going to be able to reference their name because I don't know how to find the video but he was wondering if there was some connection maybe between the mall incident and this video that we're seeing where it's like someone was saying that the mall incident could be due to like the solar flares that we've been getting on Earth and how it changes the frequency and maybe what we were seeing as these shadowy figures is not

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the fully formed figure of these aliens but like kind of we're almost like glitching into their frequency and seeing a piece of them and then this other man that was theorizing on Tik Tok about this the jellyfish UFO was saying that perhaps what we're seeing again is not like a fully formed yeah figure what we're seeing is he compared it to like a Shadow like if we hold up our hand and there's light in front of us and we see a shadow on the wall that shadow is 2D but we can't there's no way for us to know the details of the hand that's making that shadow so he was wondering if the jellyfish was basically like a version of us seeing something that exists in 40 that's beyond our our visibility and comprehension and we were basically seeing like we can see like the shadow it's Shadow that's so fascinating yeah this is why I love Tik Tok because I love to hear everybody's theories I mean this is why I also love this stuff because it's like because we

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don't have answers we can theorized till the day we die like it we could also say it's like is it an interdimensional thing is it proof that there's like other timelines happening and like alternate realities that like sometimes bleed into one another like we truly do not know wild I'm curious what everyone else's theories are what do you think the jellyfish UFO could be and until then this is from our listener Maggie we met at one of our shows and Maggie showed us some videos and I was like you got to email us Maggie sent a bunch of stories in the email so I'm going to read a couple and then end with an Area 51 story O Okay Maggie has so many encounters and the subject is videos I showed you last night plus Area 51 she says Hey guses so nice to meet you both last night quite the spooky show I'm following up to share the spooky videos I showed you last night with some others as well and some emails there are a

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couple videos and some background information the videos in our house that we took was all in a pretty chaotic year and it was probably the breeding ground for anything paranormal it was the height of pandemic we were engaged and stressed about planning a wedding as well as getting ready to move AC cross country and I was a ghost tour guide I'd also started meditating one to two hours every single day and my now husband had never experienced anything at the house before I moved in so I think I probably brought all the spookies with me okay the first video is a video I took outside of our town in Bigfoot country I was having a very bad mental health day and my husband quite literally said to me let's go squatching that's love oh the dream words I've never heard but now I wish nothing more it was a very low effort thing to do we just get in the car drive around since I used to be a ghost tour guide I would always take tons of pick and videos and lay in bed late at night going over all of them so that is what I was doing here and I wanted a game plan for getting through

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my funk and thought going through lots of videos would at least help oddly enough I captured this and I saw it when I got home I went back to the same spot a few days later and there was nothing there so if you want to watch the video we'll put it into the video as well Maggie plays it twice but as you're watching look into the tree lines okay I remember her showing us this in the meet and hey that's a Squatch if I've ever seen Squatch that's a freaking Squatch in the treay line right okay and then you'll probably remember this one too because Maggie also showed us another video of a fairy oh oh I remember this one this this video I'm titling fairy because everyone we' have shown this says the same it looks like a little fairy my husband and I are very into the

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Paranormal but really never put much stock in fairies until we saw this in our home I don't have much context for it aside from when we looked up what draws fairies it would make sense that they chose our house because they like live music sparkly things gardening cats and our home would be a fairy Haven some famous YouTube channel asked put it in one of their spooky countdown lists too so it is somewhere on the web too and we'll play the video the video is so wild because it like literally looks like almost like the size of a figurine right and that figurine just like moving and leaving a trail behind it you remember those like it does little spinny things that you would like wind it up and it would fly up off of the yes and then go around it

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looks like that yeah it does look like that but it's moving a lot slower too yeah okay I mean Maggie has sent like tons and tons of videos but I want to end with the area 51 story okay my dad worked at Area 51 with top secret security clearance that's a number one dad for actually admitting that and letting you know seriously I mean it's also like I guess if that's his job but he can't tell you anything about the job you know yeah I asked about it when I was young and he just said oh I got to see some planes before they were released to paint a picture of my dad's character he is so similar to Red from That 70s Show so much so that when I miss home I re-watch that show just to think of him he gets really grumpy when I tell him that he's a No Frills veteran and if anyone would go to their grave with secrets for our country it would be my dad he wants a tattoo that is a list of his priorities which go like this one God two country three family because he's easy to mess with I like to Ras him

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from time to time so when the alien stuff was coming out in 2021 I said Dad the government is saying aliens are real and my Stern by the book dad looked at me and said Maggie the government has known that aliens existed for a long time that's right because when we hear about something that means it's 50 years have passed since they first talked about it right and I love that he's like finally like yes of course I just haven't told you that because I'm not allowed to with my job I up until that point did not believe it but hearing my dad say it I became a Believer right there since then he has shown slight inklings that he knows a lot more than he has L on over the years I'll tell him about a book about UFOs I'm reading and he'll mention that he has already read it I also remembered that in my childhood my mom mentioned something about him taking a daily flight into the base which I've since learned was for those going to section S4 that Bob Lazar was at I asked him about if he was at S4

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and I don't think he was anticipating that I would remember that tiny detail and connect the dots I don't know that he was in some high up position doing the reverse engineering but more that his position was more Technical and my impression is that he didn't have much direct contact with the big secrets but maybe I'm wrong it seems that his strategy is not to evade my questions but rather to give me boring answers I know my dad so well and I know there's more behind what he's saying he does hold fast that Bob wasar is and always has been the real deal he was there right after him and famously Bob had a lot of stuff come out about him that put him in a very bad light my dad said that Bob was used as an example to them of what could happen if they broke protocol the further along we get in disclosure the more tiny nuggets of Truth my dad has been doing out I also had a dream and have had quite a few psychic dreams and after his Area 51 assignment he was supposed to transfer somewhere else but

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he felt personally or morally uncomfortable with it I asked him if anything like that had happened and he said he was supposed to go to a remote assignment to Alaska but turned it down because there was a lot of family stuff going on at the time now there are Rumblings of an underground pyramid in Alaska and I can't help but wonder if it's related anyway happy to answer any questions or provide more context if needed hope you all continue to have safe and spooky travels Maggie I just want to know like why are the secrets but I feel like even they don't know answers to it like I feel like there's a lot of Secrets and I think they remain Secrets because there isn't a clear answer they don't want to cause panic but it's like I I don't know I feel like what I come up with in my own mind is GNA be worse than what's actually happening right you and I especially I just want aliens like like come tell us cuz our government's not going to you have to come tell us actually

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okay this is a good question if there was a bulletin I don't know where it's posted posted somewhere in the universe and it's like sign up here fill out this application with your medical information to sign up for a alien abduction trial who would do it I would for free or do you get money because normally when you participate in medical trials you get paid I'm gonna say for free oh man I'd participate as a scout you know like I'd go on the street with the clipboard and be like are you interested in being abducted by aliens sign up here and you might be picked okay I'll be the first name on the list I don't even care about the abduction part I just want to know it's like well where do you live why do you come here right what's wrong with us I mean a lot of things a lot of things what's wrong with them too like do they need something from us no I think we're just the Zoo yeah I also like the theory that they are us because who would be more obsessed with us than ourselves like

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than us that I think is very fascinating the aliens we see are all just archaeologists of the future yeah who're coming back to study the way that we used to be we're just ancient Apes well let us know if you'd sign up and if you have had any encounters with aliens or anything paranormal please email us to two girl1 GOP podcast gmail.com and don't forget to join us on patreon if you want episodes adree and one week early plus bonus episodes every month and live stream campfire stories every Tuesday night and then also write and review us on iTunes and tell all of your friends about us shout out to Jamie who edits our video and audio and thank you to all of you who join us every single week we love you we love you and we will see you see you on the other side very spooky oh