Bigfoot: The Beginning of the Legend | Sightings, Stories & Secrets Pt. 3 (Ep 234)

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very spooky I think earthquake La is about to happen boom boom I love Leia you do yeah I do I just can't be nearer it's not that I don't like her just because I'm allergic I don't think I've ever heard you say you love Leia oh well I think she's hilarious and I think she's just so silly and large and cuddly and sweet crying that's like a really really that means so much to me here's the thing even when I've been over to your apartment which has maybe been like two or three times in my life because I'm allergic to her I've tried to call out

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to her she's the one that's skittish and so she because I'm new and she hasn't spent much time with me so all the times I've glimpsed her in person I'm like hi lay and then she runs away but I would hold her and cuddle her and then just immediately go shower you would yeah I don't dislike cats I I touch cats out in the worlds like when I when I encounter them and then I regret it because then I start to my throat starts to close and my eyes start to weep but it happens at least once a year where I have to like rush home and because of my own undoing well now that I know that this is a possibility I feel like okay this is this is reminiscent reminiscent of the time that Brian told me he loved me and it was because all of the emotions my partner loves you I love your soul mate and it very much was like Brian hey anyone this is a little like secret uh

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Insider scoop if you would like to know if you want Brian to love you give him a chocolate chip cookie it is like how when you're approaching a dog that like doesn't quite is kind of shy but you give that dog a biscuit a treat the dog is immediately warmed up to you and loves you that is prime that's Brian give him a chocolate chip cookie I love you forever he'll love you forever and he'll tell you anyway hi uh this is two

Podcast anniversary fashion

girls one ghost and we are your ghostesses that is Corinne I am Sabrina and this is part three of our sixth year anniversary series sewed and our 30th birthday month celebration yeah and you know what I just realized what did you realize is we so we were pre we are pre-recording a bunch of episodes and so we've been recording them out of order as we finish the research and we all re we already recorded the episode that comes out around your birthday I never sang you

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happy birthday but I'm gonna do something really big on your encounters birthday really big well like I I don't know I'm gonna try my best like Opera rendition of happy birthday and oh my gosh I look forward to it do everything I I can to make it special I okay well real quick I um wanted to do a little like um fashion show for you and for everyone who's watching on YouTube okay beautiful beautiful love it The Conjuring house The Conjuring house love the back it's so good I'm so proud of this do I look like a model yeah you do I was thinking I was like I want to buy 20 of these shirts so I can have them for memorabilia uh may I model for a moment please love it but I'll I'll jump up I also have sweatpants shorts on wait me too all right you show the back I'll show the front and we'll do like a little

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like twerk I I did something do you know how to twerk I do but it okay it just has to come back wait okay can you twerk again for me absolutely not oh man people saw all that they would get okay everyone go back and replay it over and over and over oh my gosh let's make one of those like a gift like the yeah the boomerang a boomerang Christina oh boy I hope it looked good because I said yeah I came to wear a quarterback yeah and it's just like awkward I want to add that noise to it too um

Memorable podcast moments

this okay yeah so we've been doing this for six years I'm really curious I know a lot of people have sent us their hauntings that they've experienced while listening to our podcast favorite episodes not even just scariest episodes but like episodes that you favorite episodes yeah for because we've

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been doing this this is what this episode 200 something yeah what's your favorite episode of a researched episode hmm I really love paranormal games you love paranormal games yeah I do but I also love okay and I think this is just because and we've talked about this before but because of how much we went through to record just this one episode but it embodies I think the entire six years of our podcast it was episode 40 something where it was about Hollywood hauntings or something like that we had to record it re-record it three four times and you and I were both working full-time jobs you had to take a sick day so keep recording it I had to go rent a room from like our College library yeah go ask a strange college kid to let you in the library and make you a reservation at the room exactly and we had to record it so many times and as terrible as it was I think that was the moment when I looked back at our podcast saying business our relationship

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our hobby our fun company we've created I think that is a moment that proves the Integrity we have the passion we have yeah and it proves just how much are we willing to do it yeah like we could have very easily at so many points given up totally or gotten frustrated with each other yeah because I feel like that happens a lot when people get upset or they're stressed out or what have you oftentimes the default is to take it out on someone who's closest to you or involved in the thing that you're working on and I feel like we never do that we're very lucky a lot of people have to really work on their business really I don't know I feel like not everyone has a ghost that they can bring blame their issues on that's true we do have a Scapes and it's the ghost we're like carts that is basically our therapist we bully Sven and I think is what happened yeah what's your favorite episode um I think the episode that sticks out

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to me is when you did the divot box and I did the crown of Catskills because I just felt like those were two two topics that were both so incredibly interesting equal parts interesting and scary and we both did them like at the exact same time and so I thought I think that was my favorite episode because me I was excited and fearful at the same time Dana's movie comes out August 12th yes

Highly anticipated documentary

the unbinding which is about the Crone of Catskills they made a documentary where they were they learned all that they could from The Entity that was attached to the Crone of Catskills and then they returned the Crone back into the Catskills Mountains in New York and so there's a whole documentary about it that they've been working on for years because I remember it must have been a year ago that on our in paranormal news episode I had mentioned that I saw Greg tweet about making the documentary so of course Sabrina and I reached out and we're like hey you want to ever give us so maybe maybe we'll get one hopefully we do but it is in theaters very shortly

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they're doing they're doing a Premiere in LA on August 12th which I'm or not in La it's in Santa something it's 30 miles away from here you should go you don't have a car but oh also I think I want to I don't know if they might have already sold out tickets but people should check how cool though that they get to do a Premiere in a movie theater and then I believe it's going to hit streaming services so we can all rent it and perhaps do a watch party together because that would be so fun I feel like this is the this is the a movie documentary that Sabrina you and I equal equally are uh invested in like I feel like we've been waiting for this for so long this is highly anticipated it's almost like that's another highlight of our podcasting career like seeing something we talked about so long ago have this like big conclusion of some kind yeah which doesn't almost never get there yeah right it's so cool yeah thank you Greg and Dana Newkirk for for being

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the highlight of our podcast their careers equal ours yes and if you don't know Greg and Dana Newkirk we highly recommend following their podcast oh the haunted objects podcast so good so good they're just so incredibly intelligent so I mean the stories that they have you think Corinne and I are haunted magash Greg and Dana like are on another plane I mean they've been doing witchy ghost hunting things since they were teens so they are so incredibly experienced I want a ROM camp like I want them like a romantic not even comedy I just want a movie about their relationship and how they started this is like are we fangirling we are we're huge fans I feel like I mean anyone who went toward Portland and New Brunswick show this past spring I literally just talked about Craig and Daytona time yeah we're huge fans of them they're they're what Ed and Lorraine Warren were for people a few decades ago

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they're that for us but they're also like course correcting like exactly they're appropriate for for modern day for these times they're very very respectful of all of the entities and objects they come in contact with yeah and they're just freaking cool so freaking cool oh let's ask them to adopt us uh I would love that right I just

Life in a commune

found out I live in a commune yes you texted me this I was very jealous but I was very happy for you and I wasn't even seeking it and I wound up in a commune and you and I have talked about this because communes have Good Vibes this is why I always say I want to live on akamia okay so it's not technically an operating commune but it was built as a commune back in early 1900s and it's this like adorable little Community that's with like hidden within like the Santa Monica streets and it has this beautiful Courtyard there's butterflies everywhere there are five crows that live here I have a passion fruit tree on my patio and also looking at the photos

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you've sent me there's absolutely no indication that you are in Santa Monica like I've been to Santa Monica a hundred times and I cannot believe something it's like this little Eden it's like this little Paradise that's just exists there but yeah so back in the I don't I have to get I have to do more Recon but Peggy came over the other day man I can we'll I'll fill you in on all of their life details in our personal life conversation which we have which we scheduled because we're so busy right now so you and I needed to schedule Adventure Time a schedule for 3 30 p.m Eastern today Monday July today but Peggy came over and we were just talking and she was just saying how long she's lived here and then it's just people who buy these homes they don't sell them like they own them for a really long time there's a woman who works for NPR who's a journalist who lives here she's incredible I mean everyone here is so beautiful and like wonderful like I want you to one day buy the place that you're in that would be a dream I would love to that would be my dream but um oh Maggie oh that was Leia

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hissing yeah I thought it was I was so confused because it sounded like you know when you like open blinds oh and you pull them so I was so confused I was like wait do you have a communal blind with whoever lives next to you no but now she's like doing this Maggie she's like standing in the windows and looking for Maggie oh Maggie's a cat right another cat yeah mag is a cat okay Maggie stands up the only thing about my commune is that Maggie does not like me we all get along so peacefully but Maggie the cat will come sit at my door and not let me leave she'll hit me and Swap and she's like you stay in there you stay there maybe it's because she I mean did other people have cats is it is she associating you with the one person who brought a cat into her space yeah she's like oh how dare you this was my Sanctuary this woman who used to live here she had a cat as well and Maggie

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just stopped hating her even now when Ally comes to visit Maggie knows and like doesn't like her it's so crazy cats are smart man so yeah it used to be a commune there was a woman who lived here when she was growing up and her parents went to do like a service trip in El Salvador and they left her for three years to be raised by the commune what I can't even imagine that's really cool but I'm very curious like what life was like and who lived in the commune at that time I know I know I want to do like a history report on this yeah and apparently the front house people get vibes like ghosts you should plan a little Seance night with your neighbors well just like Emma did with her neighbors our Houston listener I'm very dumb this is also very much like a neighborhood where it's like if someone's out of town like they're like hey come stay over here will you watch my dog we stay here for a little bit like we just stay here a night or two so I might sleep in a haunted house that's so nice yeah yeah if you get a turn

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sleeping in every single one of the houses that will be that's the dream maybe they'll start blaming you for any of them like don't let Sabrina sleep over or dog sit because some weird Vibes here when she leaves yeah your house will be haunted oh this is so cool this is so I feel like your life is just really coming together beautifully today but Leia and Maggie Leia are absolute enemies to yourself should I take a video we can insert it yeah hi hi can I get you to come down come on come on now he's literally hands up on the wind like

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on the side of the house to put it closer to the window oh my gosh she's taunting her just let him let him miss it out we have so much personal conversation to have we can't take from that time [Laughter]

Barbieheimer weekend

well this is gonna be a long episode because okay this was this is part three of our bigfoot episode and I was like oh my God this means I have these are my final moments to try to to convince the spotlight on Bigfoot and try to yeah well here's the thing I I wish I could redo the first part why because I wish I provided more evidence to convince people of Bigfoot but I was really just like you were laying the land I was laying the land it was a wishy-washy land you were planting some seeds and we've fertilized we've watered we've had some we've had some fungus and now yes we're fruiting you're fruiting I think that's agriculture if you don't go to harvest I will be so upset everyone must leave here believing in Bigfoot how

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many people have compared belief in Bigfoot to agriculture let us know let us know we are unique we're so special alrighty part three baby buckle up let's do it Bigfoot Sasquatch Yeti abominable snowman skunk ape grass man boyfriend yowie monster this creature has many names many coats of fur and many Footprints left behind on Earth's soil yet its existence remains a mystery what is Bigfoot how are there tens of thousands of reported sightings over human history expanding across the globe mostly in the northern hemisphere from the highest deadliest mountain peaks to the densest most humid swamps how can a creature so large outsmart humans evade our Wildlife biologists and escape from

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the most experienced Hunters it's a question that leaves many people to doubt if Bigfoot is even real is there a large hairy and potentially dangerous species on the loose or have our human Minds created a monster of our own reminiscent of the type of species we were to million years ago our Bigfoot's a reflection of our past and our fear of returning to a more uncivilized type of life or are we fascinated by them because they show just how small the Gap is between being human and being more animalistic being an ape we as a species love to view human beings as separate from animals we're greater than animals we are intelligent we possess self-awareness we build complex structures we communicate with one another we bury our dead we feel that all these things and many more give us an advantage over all other species we're the top of the pyramid that's what we like to think exactly it's likely just our ego right certainly some people feel that Bigfoot cannot be a real creature because if Bigfoot were real we as humans would have inevitably caught

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some indisputable evidence of it despite us still discovering hundreds of new species every single year and rediscovering species thought to be extinct centuries later but still we're like obviously we would know if Bigfoot were real because we're perfect and amazing and the most expert of scientists and explorers duh duh but perhaps what bothers people the most is the theory that bigfoots are actually more capable than us they communicate with one another they have unimaginable strength the ability to live in the harshest of environments to evade capture they may have empathy and social structures of their own like Sabrina you mentioned last week the Bigfoot funeral yeah they are said to communicate with one another through grunts through whistles through Whispers through the use of knocking sticks and screams for long-range Communications Bigfoot seem to understand the concept of reciprocity and gifts as campers sometimes cite that

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if they allow these creatures safe passage or allow them to take some food these creatures will often return the next day or later that evening with berries and fish Left Behind as a gift they leave threatening warnings of stones which would insinuate that they don't always act out of instinct but instead rather they assess their situation and they make judgments and according to the indigenous Chehalis tribe these creatures also have the ability to shape-shift that's the part that then confuses everything is like what version of them is real totally well it's a very confusing thing and I feel like even though this episode I put together a bunch of examples to try to convince everyone of the foot's existence I still feel like at the end people might feel the Bigfoot is real but we still don't necessarily know exactly what Bigfoot is because there's a lot of different theories and we will go through a bunch of them but basically if bigfoots are shapeshifters like the Chehalis tribe believes in a lot of

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other indigenous groups believe that means that most likely these creatures have been silently watching us for potentially thousands of years and it makes me wonder especially with all the depictions of like Paleolithic it's theories and and sculptures from the past and all the petroglyphs and if perhaps they used to be a lot friendlier with humans and since we've evolved and become a little bit more destructive to the land around us and to each other perhaps these bigfoots were like oop we don't want anything to do with these people and they recede further and further into the Wilderness as two humans you know I speaking as one because we are one who have often encountered moments in life where we're like it's just too much I want to go Retreat Into the Wilderness and be away from everyone and everything I get it I I want to do it half the time oh yeah I totally get it and I feel like it makes a lot of sense and also I'll be the first to admit like but even this theory of like oh did did the bigfoots like us at one point and then they turn away from man that's assuming that we're of

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interest to them to begin with so also this could be part of my ego talking too like what if there's no interest in human beings at all and we're just the ones obsessed with them interesting if they don't care about us at all yeah I mean that is so human to be like we are obsessed with this thing and they must know so much about us and every decision they make must be about us and they literally don't even think about us right which I feel like could be more true than anything because what do we have to offer them probably only aggression and death I'm sure sure the few that have tried to get close maybe didn't even live to tell the tale oh it's so weird because it's been now like a week since we recorded part two and I I left part two being like you know I just I have a hard time like if we would I really was like we would know that they exist and we would have proof of their existence if they existed but now I'm back and I'm like of course they're real it's marinated a little bit with you you've started to think about

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Bigfoot to dream about things I have been weeded you've been plucked okay but I also think it makes sense if they aren't interested in us too because now that I'm thinking about it if they are with the Chehalis people and other indigenous groups believe them to be which is some sort of Supernatural creature that walks between the two Realms right like it walks in the spirit world it walks in the Physical Realm that is so far beyond our ability and who else what other world yeah in the amount of creatures that they probably encounter that are far more interesting than us I I think would be aplenty so it also makes sense to me why it would be impossible to catch one if they are kind of this in between creature and have the ability to enter many different portals or Dimensions or Realms whatever you want to consider as where they could be going that's not physically right here where we can see them just to bring up Greg and Dana again because we're obsessed with them I saw on Dana's Instagram they did a psychic viewing of Area 51 this past weekend I know so no

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way if that's possible well I don't know I didn't read much more but I'm curious we're on our patreon which I know because they post it with that being a potential like can we then psychic view into these planes where all of these other beings potentially Bigfoot and who who knows what else exists and connect to them in a way that we never thought possible right if we're powerful enough I'm sure there's someone out there that's either close but then also I feel like the people that are at that level where they're so in tune with their spirituality and so in tune with just the world beyond Earth just like the entire existence I almost feel like they have an understanding that's but like the way that we view things is so rudimentary compared to how they probably experience life and so even if there are some people that do that I almost doubt that they would tell anyone right like they they're protecting or if they do are they believed you know yeah I don't know it's so convoluted okay so

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oh my gosh this isn't hard okay I mean after this I'm gonna just let you tell me everything because I I just want to hear your stories and I know there's a lot of information but I was a barberheimer girl this week weekend I saw both movies double feature oh me and my brother just talked about doing that no I didn't back to back but I did Friday and Sunday and they're both so incredible Oppenheimer from like a physics like understanding the universe and how massive it is and like how we are still exploring and understanding things like and never will actually have the capacity to really understand is so mind-blowing but then in Barbie like it's this idea of becoming yourself and existing outside of this like world that everyone wants to put you in and who are you what is meeting what is live and all of us I don't know anyway I I just what were you made for the Billy eilish song I haven't even seen uh the movie but still cry like Imagining the scene I loved it oh hi Barbie gosh hi hi Barbie hi Barbie bye Barbie bye Barbie every night's a

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girl's night oh I can't wait to see it I want to watch both my brother and I were going to Vermont this week we took like a family vacation Friday through Wednesday right before my birthday and we're gonna go see Noah Khan we're gonna float down the Winooski River we're gonna go out on the boat we're gonna spend time outside probably drink a ton of ipas and my brother and I were like we gotta do the double feature we got to do that it's so good exactly we'll have a maybe we'll do like a patreon thing where we just talk about our opinions of those movies okay I love that that's a great idea all

Bigfoot dating profile

right so before we get too far into everything I do want to say so we had mentioned in the past two episodes that there are theories or there's a theory that Bigfoot is an interdimensional being and so for this episode I was like oh my gosh why don't I use Starry AI which is an AI uh like picture portrait art generator and I was like why don't I prompt it to give me basically like an

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image of Bigfoot being one foot in this Dimension and one foot in another because I wanted some sort of visual for YouTube what I got was so much more I got a group of photos that absolutely looked like it would be on a dating profile for Bigfoot so I created a fake dating profile for bigfoot I'm gonna send it to you right now stop okay it I was cracking myself up so much oh my God first page big for Bigfoot his name is big uh if you're watching on YouTube or on our reels or Tick Tock we'll definitely post it but here's Big he is 107 years old he's hot I equated to probably being like a 32 years old and human yeah that's what I was thinking he's interested in humans dating humans he's he's curious about them okay human he's human curious and he's eight foot one which we know means

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he's seven foot ten his job as a mountaineer he went to Oregon State University look at him little smarty pants uh his religion spiritual he's open uh and in terms of relationship he's looking for a long-term relationship but open to short so if he's dating a human he's got to be open to short term because of years they will definitely yeah oh my gosh wow this this is very much like a dating profile because there are so many like dating profiles where like the second photo is the guy holding like a weapon or like hunting in some way yeah okay so I asked the general once I got a few it was all like profile pictures and I was like that's hilarious I'm going to have it give me a few more and so I prompted it to give me Bigfoot uh fishing because you've seen enough dating profiles to know what they're like 70 of them have a man holding a fish and my knowledge is wants to show you secondary yeah

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I mean I don't know what the dating pool is like in LA but in Massachusetts everyone's holding a fish I had a i generate a picture of Bigfoot holding a fish I'll post all of the images the full image is amazing a patreon for a good laugh did you create this on canva I did yeah so I wanted I wanted to tell a quickie were scrolling through it it's so good so yeah Bigfoot's face is cut off for the the fish pick but he's holding a fish he answered a few prompts too one of the prompts is my favorite way to spend a rainy day is and he answered carving wooden feet and pressing them into the Soggy Earth so perhaps he's the one behind all of the uh the faked Bigfoot Impressions I'm reading ahead I'm just so excited this is my favorite song the next image I tried to prompt it to say Bigfoot playing a sport because there's always someone hanging off of a cliff and mountain biking or running and being like well I need a girl who can keep up you know so I try to do that for

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some reason AI gave me Bigfoot doing a heel click which I thought was equally fantastic so that made it into the dating profile his go-to karaoke song is The Sound of Silence by Simon and Garfunkel favorite song hello darkness my old my old friend I've come to talk to you again and I felt like it was very fitting for this really emotional photo of Bigfoot walking down a path in the middle of the woods the fourth photo on his dating profile he then answers the prompt the most embarrassing thing that has happened to me is he writes a hiker caught me walking naked through the woods and posted the video on YouTube winky face and I did the winky face because as much as I love Bigfoot I also have to recognize that he likely has a little douchiness to him and so I thought the winky face is you know like a ooh you want to see me naked go

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go Google it I'm hot as so I had to put that in another thing that is often on human males dating profiles is a photo of them with another girl it might be their mom it might be their sister it might be their friend but when that happens you have the ability at least on hinge when I was on it years ago you have the ability to basically caption the photo and I noticed that a lot of men said who was in the photo with them so that you wouldn't assume it was a girlfriend and so the next photo is Bigfoot it's the only photo he's captioned and it says me and my niece and and there's a she kind of woman with me she does look thank you did you do this on purpose no she actually does look a lot like you though it's funny and uh he answered my most used app is Merlin ID because he's got to ID all the birds that he lives around him but Google Translates a close second you know gotta gotta catch up with the

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humans know what they're talking about and then the final photo is it was a shirtless pick so I I cropped it so we didn't see any nipples we have him fully nude doing a heel click on here but yeah that's his dating profile I would swipe right I got up at 6am to finish this dude I was like I gotta finish this at like 10 o'clock last night I was like I'm going to bed but I'm waking up early because I gotta finish the profile oh my gosh I told Brian I was like just to warn you I'm gonna re-download hinge and he like looked at me and I was like I gotta create a Bigfoot profile picture or like a hinge profile he was like okay then I was like well I can't just do this on camera I guess I don't have to actually reactively join and potentially like catfish other people as Bigfoot so I would honestly if I came across that on a dating app I would just swipe right only for the sake of I just need to know who created this

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well you can add maybe you can put some of the the other ones that you did on our patreon yeah well honestly I feel like we should almost do like an open answer where people will give the prompt and people can give Bigfoot's response what they think that's a good idea we're all Bigfoot that's we're all Bigfoot all of us are big we all believe I just I want to say my stomach is making so many noises I thought that was Leia no it's my stomach so if you hear like that's it's it's no longer that is my stomach oh my gosh it's the ramen or Pad Thai what did you have I did hear it hold on I don't even think you need to put the microphone near it it just did it it did okay all right okay we're dating him so yeah I just spent 15 minutes going through his dating profile despite how long this episode already is gonna be so

Bigfoot disappearance theories

let's get into it we're gonna look at some theories about what Bigfoot is the

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first being an interdimensional traveler it has been suggested that the reason why we're never able to catch or capture Bigfoot is because these creatures can teleport or slip in and out of our reality they exist across multiple dimensions and are able to completely jump in and out of our timeline willy-nilly whenever they want and even partially exist within hours which isn't dissimilar to the beliefs that the Chehalis tribe mentioned or or amen they believe and I mentioned in episode one of this Bigfoot series or part one and it's a very interesting Theory because people who have spotted Bigfoot tracks often remark that these tracks stop suddenly as if the creature has suddenly been finish Without a Trace so potentially slipped into a portal which is a great like Escape technique oh my God and safety mechanism absolutely yeah it is really interesting and I feel like that makes a lot I mean it makes a lot of sense I'm about to tell you some of the reasons why okay so I find the

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ability of Bigfoot to kind of pop into different dimensions super interesting because if anyone here is familiar with David politis the founder of missing 4-1-1 who we've mentioned probably 30 times on this podcast in many of the mysterious disappearances that he covers especially with children the Common Thread is that they seem to disappear Without a Trace and often there are footprints of these people and of the children that stop suddenly with no indication that they've taken another step further from that very spot which some people were like oh my gosh this is an alien abduction but also could this be Bigfoot a curious and mysterious disappearance is that of Jim Carter which people now theorize could have been due to him being chased by a Bigfoot Jim Carter aged 32 was part of a 20-member climbing party from Seattle who visited Mount St Helens in Washington in May of 1950. Jim was a very experienced skier in Mountaineer so no one was really worried when Jim was like oh you know what this is going to

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be a really great photo op because the the group was about to get to this Landmark called dogs head it's about 8 000 feet in elevation so he was like everyone you guys keep skiing I'm gonna like ZIP down ski head kind of loop around and turn so I can take a picture of all of you guys up at this Landmark as you're coming down so the rest of the group is like great great like awesome he takes off they take a moment and then they start to follow so that Jim can capture a photo of them the rest of the group finally caught up to the area where Jim had planned to wait for them and snap a pic but there was no gym there was a discarded film box at the spot where he had originally planned to stop to take the photo of the group which indicated that he had stopped and he was in the middle of preparing for a photo but something happened to trigger Jim Carter to flee while there was evidence of Jim's attempted dissent Jim was nowhere to be found and a very very large area was searched an expansive area with very experienced search and rescue teams they looked for weeks but nobody found Jim and nothing nothing but

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what they did find were tracks of his skis so we know where he went ish so what Jim saw we do not know but it would appear that he moved very suddenly from the spot where he had dropped his film box he took off maneuvering down the mountain on a route that no skier of his caliber which was a really excellent skier would ever do unless something terribly wrong was occurring like you had to yeah yes he jumped over two to three large crevasses and he was going down the slope of the Mountain at a death defying speed it was as if something was chasing him and he had to get away his ski tracks were traced going over the Steep side of Canyon and straight down the canyon walls which surely most people would never attempt because it basically is like you're gonna die if you do that but he did it and they were shocked when his body wasn't at the bottom he didn't die doing this instead the ski tracks continued so he survived that crazy ski maneuver his

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adrenaline must have been pumping like no other then there was a plane that was taken overhead to try to trace where his tracks went next the plane tracked his trail from the sky finding ski marks heading towards the Eagle Creek ranger station and then disappearing Into the Wilderness and then they couldn't find any more tracks okay the hard thing with this I'm just gonna be I'm not even a skeptic I'm just going to talk through what my brain goes with logic in a ski snowy mountain region it's very possible tracks could be covered up with snow with new like fallen snow especially if it's Into the Wilderness there's tree fall you know who knows but then also like if he went down this really really steep cascading slope and there were a ton of crevasses that he did successfully jump over is there a potential that his skis continued on but his body did not oh maybe but that area is frequented enough that I mean it's 50

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some years later or not even it's like 75 years later after this happened and so if it were if he his body did die like if he fell to his death he it was so close to a ranger station and in a spot where people go hiking and rock climbing and skiing that when the snow melted he would have been recovered unless he was in indeed crevasse unless he fell into another crevasse that's true and it is interesting because it's like well what was he running from there's a possibility that it was a bear but at the same time because he was such an experienced skier you would think that he would have probably stuck on the trail and just out skied the Bear right like if you're going down the slope fast enough which he was going at a death defying speed even a non-death defying speed would still out out maneuver a bear and he was going off of cliffs so you would think that even if he did go off of this Cliff he wouldn't have to necessarily keep Go I mean I don't know

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I don't know what adrenaline and fear and stuff will do to someone but there were so many moves that he made that if you were being chased by a bear he wouldn't have to continue further because a bear would have never made those leaks it would have never caught up to him anyway he was not at the bottom and his skis disappeared into the

Historical ape man encounters

woods Bob Lee a member of the Seattle mountain search and rescue unit who was also involved in the search for Jim Carter he was a very experienced Portland Mountaineer and he was a part of the exclusive worldwide Alpine Club leader and advisor to various Expeditions including a Himalayan Expedition so by all accounts bobbly super pro expert on the mountain he knows his and so this is normally a place that he would feel comfortable in but he said during his search for Jim he felt like quote somebody was watching me and there was something strange on the high slopes of the mountain the most Eerie experience I have ever had I could feel the hair on my neck standing up it was Eerie I was unarmed except for my

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ice ax and believe me I never let go of that see that's the thing is like it's so animalistic that feeling right like you your body knows when you're prey yeah you know when there's a predator near that's wild yeah this is also the same location or ape Canyon is the same location where from 1924 to 1926 miners had various encounters with quote unquote ape men who were covered in long black hair had ears about four inches long that stuck straight up had four toes short and stubby and these eight men were about 400 pounds and one these eight men violently attacked the group of men so the creatures were near the cabin looking down at them from a ridge above and Fred Beck who was one of the people one of the miners staying here he and another Miner went out and shot his rifle up at them Struck One of the creatures three times and the animal

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then fell off of the cliff that night the creatures returned throwing huge stones at the cabin slamming their large bodies against the door in the walls of this little Log Cabin that all the miners are terrified cowering within then these creatures jump up on the cabin they're ripping the roof off and finally they have an opening they spot Fred because they recognized him as the one that shot the one of their own and drop rocks on him until he falls unconscious they presumably believe him to be Dead Fred wakes up two hours later and the moment the sun rose the group took off they abandoned their cabin they ran for their lives similar to other encounters many people didn't believe this group of miners citing they must have made it up for fame that they faked the large 14-inch footprints that were found nearby and that the attack was exaggerated reports came out after stating that they must have just been confused and it was wrong place wrong time because at the time there were some YMCA campers who apparently were staying

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there and were up on the Ridge and they were throwing pumice rocks down into the canyon that night in some sort of like ceremonial thing that they do every year not realizing that there was a cabin below so people were like it must have been the YMCA campers throwing pumice Stones these guys got confused their imaginations ran and they made up the rest of the story I doubt that right so these men they've stuck to their story they say the things that they've said happened were 100 true but the media exaggerated certain parts of the story so they said the roof was not compromised Fred was not knocked unconscious but everything else was true them shooting a creature the creatures coming and attacking the outside of the cabin slamming their bodies against it but other than that the other stuff was exaggerated but that's still a very aggressive and scary encounter to have so could a Bigfoot be responsible for these missing people and for the attacks maybe one thing that stands out to me is going back to missing 4-1-1 there are

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many bizarre cases of children disappearing and then being found sometime later and often they're found in areas that are impossible for the child to Traverse alone in the amount of time that they're missing or at all so sometimes these kids will disappear and then they'll show up 15 miles away 5000 feet in elevation what do they say when they're found well I'll tell you in a second okay I've got a few examples so

Children protected by bears

when these kids are found oftentimes their clothes are in pristine condition their feet are still clean they lack any bumps or bruises which surely wouldn't be true if a child had walked that many miles through streams and mountains to get to the spot where they're found and some of these kids speak of the hairy man or the bear or quote big hairy wolf man that kept them company or carried them to that spot so I have a few examples of this in 1888 the New York Times reported on The Disappearance of a two-year-old girl who was found alive a day later deep in a valley where she

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claimed a bear had slept with her throughout the night to keep her warm wait this is so sweet I know a similar tale emerged from two-year-old Ida May Curtis who went missing in Kootenai National Forest in Montana in 1955. after two days of pouring rain she was located and she too said she was cuddled by a bear and comforted in 2010 three-year-old Rowan Griffin went missing in New Hampshire so this is this is so recent this is only 13 years ago and it's in New Hampshire right here by me Rowan Griffin went missing in New Hampshire during a family outing in the woods 11 hours later he was found clinging to a tree in a swamp with the water about waist deep and when he was asked how he got there he said that there was a man he had seen peeking out from behind a tree and so he followed this man and apparently I don't know if this man was different than this figure he spoke about but Rowan said that there was this giant figure in the woods that

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protected him while he was in the woods and in the swamp it it's so interesting how with the young kids It Feels Like These are protective beings but when it comes to adults they often don't come back alive or at all they're fully missed yeah so yeah we don't know if they're dead or alive we have no idea in 2019 a three-year-old boy Casey Hathaway had gone missing after Vanishing from outside of his grandmother's house in North Carolina one afternoon in the two days he was missing there was really heavy rain freezing temperatures so surely it would have had to be a miracle for this boy to survive being in the Wilderness at this young age throughout this horrible weather period FBI and U.S marine search teams were scouring the area for this toddler and then a neighbor found him she said she heard cries coming from 40 yards away while she was out walking her dog and so she followed the noises and she found Casey Tangled in Thorn bushes but was

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otherwise unharmed once he was at the hospital he told his family that a bear had stayed with him and kept him safe and warm this is amazing yes right they're like snuggled they're snuggled they're protected they're some something is staying with them up in until basically the point where someone's near to to save them and so it seems awfully suspicious that a bear would protect a child but perhaps it could because right we see these we see these videos online and on Animal Planet and whatever where there's like a female lioness who kills this Antelope and then realize there's a baby Antelope and protects it and keeps it safe you know not always but sometimes there are paternal instincts that kick in but what I thought was odd was if an animal like a bear has all of these children throughout the past many many decades that they encounter and decide this is a weak being and my paternal and maternal my parental

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instincts have kicked in I shall protect it so I think that that's odd I also think it's odd that there's no evidence given that these bears are spending so much time with these children and cuddled up to them you would think that there would be more evidence right there where the child is found and lastly if there's an animal that has decided to protect this small child don't you think the animal would still be there when this kid is found and not just silently disappeared the moment that a human finally recovers the child yeah maybe it's a bear but but I don't really think so I don't think so either yeah but for

Bigfoot vs bear evidence

those who don't believe in Bigfoot perhaps that's that's an explanation they can accept I mean that is super bizarre David the bear it's also super bizarre and then it makes me question how people aren't then being like okay well we clearly don't know everything about bears we need to learn more about bears right yeah I wonder what bearologists some people are like this is a case of mistaken identity all the Bigfoot sightings out there they must be bare we

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have all these kids saying that they're protected by bears and there's these tall furry creatures It's gotta be a bear American black bears well bears do stand on their hind legs sometimes especially when they're forcing for like berries and various things American black bears could kind of look like Bigfoot standing on two feet hidden amongst the dense foliage on their hind legs the American black bear stands about five to seven feet tall so not quite tall enough but not not too small compared to the the smallest Bigfoot sightings right seven feet is tall yes grizzly bears stand about eight to nine feet tall so this would be within Bigfoot's range and perhaps it could be an explanation for a few of the sightings after all uh I read this really interesting fact that when westerners were first exploring China 200 years ago they were shocked to see a large black and white furry Beast living in the bamboo forest which is a panda

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bear but even so that's an example of of new people to the area being shocked by a creature but it's the indigenous people there the the people living in China they knew what this thing was they weren't like oh my gosh a random Beast we've never seen it was just the Europeans yes and then and then since then we have we fully understand pandas now you know that's the thing that's different about Bigfoot and these entities that people are encountering is it is a shock oh my gosh what is this and then we can't further investigate like it's just we hit a wall yeah we do there's so many Theory like I don't even know what Bigfoot is either like I'm completely convinced of Bigfoot but I just don't know what it is yeah but Bears I do not think it is especially because well for many many reasons but also the tracks that are left behind do not look like bear prints at all they're completely different and also their movement is completely different so all the footage that captures Bigfoot walking and the the

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descriptions of Bigfoot walking and running it's so completely different from a bear yeah but you know what does move like Bigfoot when Bigfoot's walking Apes so I'm going to show you a video and if you're watching on YouTube you can see it here or sorry not a video it's a still a photo still of a gorilla walking and there's two photos of this gorilla walking and in the middle is the picture or a still of the Bigfoot captured on the Patterson gimlin film which Sabrina you talked about in part two okay I just sent you the photo so it's interesting because you can see like obviously there's there's things that aren't similar right like there's plenty that distinguishes Bigfoot from being an ape but the body is similar the hair the way that the hair kind of is like tufted in the shape of the head is almost cone-like that's similar the definition of the back and the glute muscles and kind of like where the glutes land

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mid-back the length of the arms even the pad of the foot the pad of the foot is a different color but it's still this pad that doesn't have an arch or anything it's interesting putting these side by side because I mean it's hard now knowing like the I guess to be fair it has not been proven that that film is fake but it has not been proven to be true either but right seeing them side by side yes there's a very similar gate and like the way that their arms extend but the Bigfoot in the middle here has almost like a slouched posture like very human-like yeah and the knees and instead of going outwards go forward like a human it's like an ape and human hybrid weird yeah I feel like just like at some point Evolution okay here's my weird wonky throwing it out there seeing if the pasta had sticks on the wall Theory what if if we believe in multiple timelines dimensions and like when glitches happen some people like you know or even the Mandela effect if you

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think about how like randomly things like switch me into a different timeline what if throughout the years of evolution there is one dimension in which we evolved differently oh

Evolutionary ape theory

I like this Theory Sabrina and we are still as intellectual as we have become and developed but we've maintained the hairiness the bigness hygiene is not as important no and there's something else too where it's like we our language isn't quite as complex or it's just not something that we in this timeline and dimension can understand is the human beings we have developed into but we can't to my knowledge we can't all as a collective species jump to different timelines and portals and travel interdimensional I like bigfoots supposedly do but I like this Theory I think you're on to something and I think that this is almost a culmination of some of the theories I'm about to present to you okay so some theorize

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that bigfoots could be a group of great escaped Apes many Apes have escaped to zoos in the past and escaped their private owners over the years which is so interesting because there is evidence of these now wild small populations of various Apes that live like in swamps and places in like Florida and the Carolinas that have escaped from traveling circuses and zoos and all of these things and so I think that that is an interesting Theory but I don't think it accounts for the aggression the tree ripping the hollering The Echoes through the woods and the fact that these beasts are all over the place and easily evade humans I think if you saw a monkey in one location you'd be able to go back to that location and probably find it or something similar totally they would live in it's not like that it randomly happened upon in that area like it would exist there right and also I feel like some of these Bigfoot sightings yeah they're in in the

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wilderness but it's not like we're going through the Amazon rainforest and it's like a terrible place to Trek through because it's so dense and you easily get lost like some of these Woods are spacious and yeah they're large but it's not it's not impossible to Traverse by any means so some people theorize it's great apes but there are definite differences between gorillas and other apes and a Bigfoot their size their color their stench the Apes Footprints don't just disappear either because they are always within this plane so they don't just randomly Escape leaving a footprint behind in the soil and also they utilize their their hands and their fists to move so if if we watched a Bigfoot run and it had used its long arms to just kind of move down on the ground on all fours then perhaps I'd entertain that idea a little bit more but but they don't yeah it's much more human-like in its movement some people have theorized that these sightings are not of an Undiscovered creature but

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actually of one thought to be long dead around 10 to 12 million years ago there

Gigantopithecus ancestor

was a giant ape called gigantopithecus black eye which shared a common ancestor with the modern orangutan this creature was so enormous that it was the largest primate that ever lived in Asia it weighed about 440 to 600 pounds and it was 9.8 feet tall and somehow it is it has outlived all of those years and wound up in Washington in the woods of Portland and in the woods of uh Northern California look at you Sabrina but it's never to be found from skeptically now you're like okay I can't forget this black eye sure here's the thing as a middle child and as a child of divorce who has very much been the um emotional support for parents I like to see things from both sides

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and so today we get the believer inside of you okay well so people are theorizing so apparently versions of this creature are basically like ancestors of this creature existed up until 11 000 years ago in southern China and so this was certainly during the time of homo erectus period of human evolution and so people wonder if perhaps these creatures still exist and maybe they migrated through Asia and Europe maybe during the Ice Age they migrated over the the Bering Strait thousands and thousands of years ago into North America undetected or maybe they crossbred with our ancestors all the way back in the day similar to how Neon did and the small population has evolved into what we now believe to be Bigfoot Korean it sounds like you weren't the first one to want Bigfoot as your boyfriend apparently not actually I was looking at photos of just like human evolution and it made me want to throw up I was like this is we looked so gross

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we still do if you think about it like we do but it was weird it's like we had like monkey tops and and strong human thighs it was like our legs were human and our tops were monkey and I didn't like looking at it we were hybrid creatures but okay conversations like this is what makes me laugh so much about like beauty standards and idealized bodies and Body Image because we are literally like we're monkeys we're creatures we're naked mole rats of monkeys we're just yeah like we've I don't know it just blows my mind anyway we're the what's the cat that's the hair the hairless cat or the hairless cats of of gorillas anyway we're bald and wrinkly and gross and we flake we flake ah skin cells could not be grosser and the fact that we slather like lotion and stuff onto our like open organs I'm done turned me into fairy dust that's all I am comfortable being okay so humans are

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gross yeah Bigfoots debatably gross sir uh another theory is that Bigfoot bigfoots are actually a small group of surviving neanderthals in a joint project between Oxford University and lasan Museum of zoology scientists and researchers are going through an archive of supposed Bigfoot slash Yeti remains collected by Bernard huvelmans who investigated reported Yeti

Neanderthal descendant theory

sightings between 1950 until his death in 2001 so he has a ton of materials that people have submitted to him or that he's collected over time that supposedly are evidence for Bigfoot and Yeti and these reputable groups are now taking samples and putting them through rigorous genetic analysis to determine if there are any unknown species so far they've only gotten back human samples and and basically animals that we already know but they haven't gone through all of the DNA yet and they have also said part of the reason that they're doing this is because recent

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advancements of DNA analysis have led to our discovery that homo Homo sapiens and Neanderthals had considerable interbreeding which is something we didn't know so if you have like ancestry.com or 23andMe you'll probably get a percentage of how Neanderthal you are which 100 years ago that no one knew anything about us do you know how much Neanderthal you are I'll tell you right now let's log into our 23andme's let's report I was pretty low I was proud of myself oh I think I'm pretty Neanderthal proud of myself I did nothing proud of your ancestors for yeah I have less than two percent Neanderthal DNA you inherited a small amount of DNA from your Neanderthal ancestors out of the 7462 variants we tested we found 226 variants in your DNA that Trace back to the Neanderthals which accounts for less than two percent of your DNA okay let me go to mine my cousin though she has more Neanderthal than me in in her than in me I'm in second place compared to my

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friends and family wow look at you sorry Monique okay I also have less than two percent what was your when it says how much Neanderthal DNA you have compared to other customers what did it say it says you have more Neanderthal DNA than 29 of customers I have more Neanderthal DNA than 66 of customers foreign has more than 82 percent so yeah that's wild oh my gosh we're all just a little monkey here we wouldn't be us without them so yeah they're prehistoric humans that bred with other prehistoric humans just various offshoots we're all a jump jump old version of human here right yeah okay so they're hypothesizing that perhaps yetis are Neanderthal descendants other species like Homo erectus paranthropus robustus and Homo

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Heidelberg Genesis I don't I did not follow at all it doesn't matter why did I write that I couldn't I knew I couldn't say it okay but but all those variations of human ancestors uh variations of of who we were before we became Homo sapiens are theorized to also potentially be some version of Bigfoot and this is not so outlandish because even our favorite primatologist Jane Goodall is entertaining the idea of Bigfoot one time she was visiting a remote Village in Ecuador and she asked the locals if they'd ever seen a monkey without a tail three of the hunters came back and said oh yes we've seen monkeys without tails they walk upright and they are about six foot tall Jane Goodall said quote I'm a romantic so I always wanted them to exist you know why isn't there a body I can't answer that and maybe they don't

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exist but I want them to and then she also suggested that it's very possible that this is a species far more intelligent than we possibly imagined and perhaps they're burying their bodies in a way that we cannot find their bodies on some ceremonial thing and she also theorized that perhaps these are Neanderthal relatives so she too thinks that that's a possibility and is totally open to the idea of Bigfoot existing see that's the thing here here's my my biggest even when I'm skeptical I am open to all possibilities and I think if anything that I have learned in this life in my near 30 years of life is that nothing is as I expected or understood it to be and every thought I've had can be challenged right well and I feel like that just that's a good way to think of things imagine if we lived 300 years ago the beliefs that people had 300 years ago in our understanding of medicine and Science in the world around us was so

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far off from where we are now and so to think that we have all of the knowledge to be able to make the decision and and make the assertion that this is certainly unable to be true there's it there's no possibility of the this existence that's ludicrous because you know in another 300 years or in a thousand years people might look back on that on this belief and be like oh they thought it was the Witchcraft or you know like it's the typical we think we know all that we possibly can in the moment that we live and there might be so much more that we are barely even scratching the surface but it feels like we're so big and important and on the cusp of all the knowledge to be had it's the the human ego right it is in curiosity we're curious but not so curious that we'll admit that we don't know much we know a lot but not much right I'll admit that I am dumb and I I you know what and I'm glad to be dumb because that means that I have a lot to live for and to learn and to know if I

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knew everything then what's the point and well here's the thing we'll never know everything it's just fun to live until I die and I get all the answers because that's obviously what happens maybe you'll be reincarnated in 4 000 years and be like the most excellent scientist researcher maybe you're the one that figures out how to time travel I really hope so yeah well we'll see

Hoaxes and paridolia

okay some other theories are that Bigfoot are simply human beings dressed up to fool others or simply human beings going about their day on their hike on their hunt living nomadically off grid in the woods and people uh seeing them exist and thinking that they're Bigfoot and mistaking them as a Bigfoot sighting there have been numerous cases of people being shot and killed by other people who mistook them for a Bigfoot even a shaman the shaman didn't get murdered let me just tell you that now the shaman uh there was a shaman in

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North Carolina a few years ago who was there on vacation and was wearing an outfit of animal furs and him vacationing there led to an uptick of Bigfoot sightings being reported because people believed when they saw him that they were witnessing Bigfoot because he was wearing all these first so people want to see Bigfoot right like we want to see things that we believe in we want to be convinced of Something's existence which is why some of these Bigfoot sightings may not be anything at all maybe they're not Bigfoot maybe they're not anything instead they're a case of peridolia which is the human tendency to observe human-like faces and figures in our natural environment so we see Jesus on a potato chip and we sometimes see Bigfoot in the trees and Mary cry and we see Mary cry exactly yes but there's another theory about why Bigfoot has yet to be detected and why they appear to live all across North America Asia and even Europe sometimes Australia and that theory is that

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bigfoots utilize an underground network of caves to live in to travel long distances and to avoid detection from humans okay so I'm sure people have heard of or seen this map before but in North America we have a vast network of unexplored caves and this map that I'm showing this is a fun YouTube yes scary on the top shows missing persons it's not missing persons in National Parks it's just missing persons and below it shows a map of cave entrances in North America which there's a ton of overlap so is it possible that people are entering caves and just getting lost and and dying there or is something taking them to the caves is this what potentially happened to Jim Carter so it does beg the beg the question are people getting kidnapped by bigfoots and the answer could be yes and we do have a

Abduction and cave networks

Survivor account to suggest that this is

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true oh okay tell me Albert ostman claimed to be abducted by Bigfoot in 1924 Albert a lumberman was was camping on the coast of British Columbia opposite of Vancouver Island for three mornings in a row while he was camping there he awoke exited his tent and things were misplaced things were moved around things were being rummaged through and so it seemed like while he was sleeping at his campsite something came in it wasn't quite as dramatic as being a bear so he wasn't really sure what it was but on the fourth night he went to bed with all of his clothes on getting into a sleeping bag he did his knapsack in a sleeping bag he had everything prepared to spring into action when he heard this animal or person who or whoever it was going through his campsite he's in his sleeping bag and hours are ticking by and he's trying so hard to stay awake but he can't and his eyes flutter and they close and finally he falls asleep but then he wakes up not because he heard a noise but because his body was

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being physically lifted into the air sleeping bag and all he in his sleeping bag is tossed over the shoulder of something and said that it felt like he was being tossed on Horseback being held by some sort of upright creature after a long while he estimated three hours he was dumped onto the ground roughly and cautiously emerged from his sleeping bag Albert was then looking at the faces of Four hairy ape-plike Creatures two male and two female appearing to be a family one of them eight feet tall for six days these large hairy creatures kept Albert captive seemingly amused by him interested in him just curious about the guy okay they fed him sweet tasting grass they rummaged through his knapsack which he had in his sleeping bag and also in his knapsack he had his gun but Albert never used his gun on these

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creatures because he said while he was still terrified of them that they weren't causing him any harm and I'm sure he was kind of curious about them as well and they were feeding him and he said that it appeared that the mother was trying to take care of him as well because she was washing and stacking leaves which I assume was for making a bed it wasn't really sad but apparently she was washing leaves and like drying them and stacking them together so perhaps she was making some sort of nest for him he noted that the bigfoots appeared to have a language which they how many were the other four there were two male and two female and one male and one female appeared to be older and more mature so he thought it was a mom and dad and a daughter and son okay he said that there was some language-like behavior and Albert thought the adult male was encouraging him to stay within the group and kept saying something like sakasoka another Bigfoot offered him

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water and said so every time he was given water was like which could mean water or drink yeah right so there's some there's something some sort of language here with rudimentary like noises finally one morning Albert was able to escape when the family of Bigfoots grabbed his snuff box which was a box filled with tobacco and scented oils and he had this box in his knapsack and the bigfoots had been going through of his belongings and kind of like entertained by his his items and Albert and they were smelling this thing and and going through it and then they ate it or at least one of them did swallowed the contents and then grew violently ill from taking in all these tobacco and scented oil and was probably like throwing up or something and so the bigfoots aren't panicking they're confused they're panicked one of them at least one of them if not all of them are sick from taking in this material and Albert used this moment of confusion and chaos to Sprint into the woods and

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eventually made it back to civilization so they did not follow him he sat on the story for over two decades only telling those closest to him for fear of being criticized which he was when he finally spoke more publicly about what he experienced yeah because it does sound you know for a week I believe but I understand why a lot of people wouldn't and if you're stuck in a cave by yourself it would probably be very easy to I don't know hallucinate or there's you there's no other Witnesses so you are right not a reliable narrator to the outside world yeah and it's hard because it's like especially in the 70s there was almost this uptick in Bigfoot sightings and so so many of them weren't real and like you were talking about last episode there were so many hoaxes so it doesn't serve the people that actually do experience things like this because they're just thought of as being attention Seekers support Albert you know what's so wild is that I feel like

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for the most part people who are coming out with these types of stories are so far from attention Seekers that the people who are calling them attention Seekers are probably the attention Seekers and are jealous yeah they're they're sad they didn't come up with a tale as enticing as what these people truly experienced and Albert swears he was kidnapped by these by these bigfoots and it was terrifying

Alien species theory

one more theory is that bigfoots are actually an endangered species from a dying Alien Planet brought to Earth by more advanced aliens to ensure their survival bigfoots live in Secret locations with Advanced alien technology or at least are being looked over by these aliens and we only see them when they stray away from their base which makes me think of that one encounter that you read of kin was it kin who spoke about basically like meditating or

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was a kid who was like on the spaceship that's Kim yeah he had them being showing all the creatures yeah yeah yeah and it made me think of that and I was like oh okay well if even if bigfoots are just animals it would also make sense why we think that they have all of these magical abilities if they're being basically assisted by these intelligent beings so far beyond our capabilities so like maybe they are more ape-like and maybe they're not as advanced as us or they're the same or maybe they are but maybe they're in terms of like traveling and portals and stuff maybe they're kind of almost like pets where like aliens keep them and then one Strays away and then they're like oh our our guy is about to get captured and then they just kind of like blip them back into where they're supposed to be interesting it that one by far is the is to me the wildest Theory I just want to know where they go like I want to hold on as they blip because that means there's this whole other world of Bigfoots just walking

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around who know what else is there what what's going on there's just so much we don't know there's so much we don't know this is also inspiring like such a creative streak in me right now that I just want to because we have no ability to like actually physically explore it I want to internally mentally explore it like I I'm picturing this world and I want to sit and write it like I want to write that world the Bigfoot world yeah wherever bigfoots go so yeah I wanna I'm gonna I'm gonna write some fanfic write me into that fanfic please yeah yeah okay well there's another theory about bigfoots it's in the same vein as them being interdimensional beings shape shifters slash Spirit entities some of the things that we've talked about earlier in this episode um but it's the theory that Bigfoot can cloak itself and become entirely undetectable aside from perhaps being detected on infrared camera so a Bigfoot will be visible it will

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leave imprints in the ground as it walks and then in a form of camouflage it becomes entirely invisible and its prints undetectable

Invisibility and military sightings

there have been many people hikers mostly who have reported being chased by something that they could only hear something so close to them basically breathing down their necks but they could see nothing with their naked eye oh oh oh they have invisibility cloaks they have invisibility cloaks and you know what this reminds me of this book that is very interesting but definitely not like PC or with the times at all so I'll give that warning but it's called out on foot and it's these tails that this author wrote from his time working in Southern California and spending a lot of time in the desert and there was a story in this book that I read years ago about someone being warned by like a feather a fellow person that was like looking through binoculars or like on a scope or

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some some infrared technology seeing this body like heat map of this giant creature like nine foot tall creature looming over someone else like approaching one of their soldiers or employees or somebody and that person was getting radioed and they were like watch out there's something that and they're looking around and they're like there's literally nothing here one person could see this giant monster and the person that was physically there couldn't see a single thing but then that makes me wonder like does that have to do with the person who was able to see or does that have to do with the ability that this entity has only being able to cloak itself from the person it's closest to hmm that's interesting I don't know and you know what's weird too is like if if the temperature if it shows up on a heat map it's interesting that it doesn't also leave Footprints still because the thing about it being invisible is that it's invisible in all detectable ways

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except for the temperature so if it was still there it's odd that you could detect it in certain ways but it's completely invisible and then a 800 pound Beast is not leaving any Footprints floating light on its feet it's light on his feet a Bigfoot can fly apparently now too so okay so if it does have some sort of ability to cloak itself to become invisible surely this would help Bigfoot get from one place to the next undetected and one such place we have mentioned before on episode 128 the Yucca man and as part of that we discussed the Edwards Air Force Base in Lancaster California so I'm going to repeat some of the things we said in that episode because it's applicable to this one so Edwards Air Force Base in the US it is a very famous Air Force Base and apparently they do a lot of top secret things there when it comes to

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air space but also extraterrestrials of course that's part of the airspace uh-huh yeah they they love aliens there so it's interesting that despite loving aliens and kind of being focused supposedly more on that they get these land creatures called Bigfoot so researcher Doug Trapp he collected these stories from various military security officers stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and the thing said from these officers should suggest that at this Air Force Space there is clearly a consensus that Bigfoot is real and the Bigfoot's frequent this base a lieutenant in charge of security in the sector of Edwards Air Force Base near Rogers dry lake was primarily responsible for surveillance activity at night from the years of 1972 through 1975. so he saw a ton he totally had some UFO stories but one of the things that really stuck with him was one

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evening when he got a call that one of the guards on duty had seen something and they would survey the area through these Starlight Scopes and motion detectors and when looking through a scope the guard called in a report that in the distance in the perimeter of the base there was a very tall man but not really a man it was more of an ape-like man who was covered in hair and was staring at the ground pacing back and forth appearing to be looking for something the lieutenant had been told when he called it in and kind of like raised the concern higher that he shouldn't do anything don't do anything to disturb this animal this creature just watch it make sure it doesn't get any closer and so he repeated this to the guard he's just said keep an eye on this creature it stayed for about five minutes kind of looking at the ground looking for something and then finally left when it was spooked by a helicopter landing nearby and it ran back into the forest they said it ran almost like a deer which is really interesting oh what I'm trying to picture that because deer

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are So Graceful right like it was Galloping it was doing pirouettes pirouettes purely leaping and bounding see it's moments like this where I'm like you're saying things and I'm like well let me get up and just act it out yeah do it okay this is Bigfoot looking he's looking for something Bigfoot searching he's searching oh helicopter's coming oh no you must disappear [Laughter] it's like Swan Lake for bigfoot beautiful graceful gorgeous so the next day the lieutenant is told that what he had seen and what his team had seen was a Bigfoot and that there are many in this area that they have seen over the years by 1975 video surveillance cameras were mounted in all of the key areas in the base and bigfoots appeared in several of the tapes but all of the footage was always rushed to top security and this

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was my concern so I'm glad that this is happening okay makes me believe even more yeah so there is there's evidence apparently but we don't have access to it and for a little bit they thought that they could potentially be classified as an Ebe which is an extraterrestrial biological entity and soon these bigfoots found their way into the secret underground tunnels that ran under Edwards Air Force Base and you know what's interesting is I remember when we did the yakaman episode I swear there was video posted somewhere or at least like a still of these creatures walking through the tunnels and I could not find it anywhere on the internet it was like scrubbed I remember I could draw it what maybe we jumped timelines maybe you know what I don't know okay conspiracy time for conspiracy okay

Mandela effect and reality

what if Mandela effect was created by

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the government to try to trick us into believing that things didn't happen because they needed and like they do really small things and change really small things so that the bigger things are less shocking when they change them that's interesting that we're never actually jumping timelines but the government is actually in control but like oh I'm like do they remember everything or with it do they jump and have some secret book where it's I'm thinking of like 50 First Dates where she Pops in the VHS DVD and she wakes up and and she's like oh here's my whole life like a whole explanation of what I missed because she doesn't remember I guess that is the hard thing and it kind of comes back to the conversation we were having about humans thinking we're the smartest it's like it's I almost feel like I'm giving Humanity too much credit if I'm saying that some person is actually capable of doing all of this whereas to me I don't think human humans deserve that much credit I don't think

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we're that smart and great if anything it's like there's got to be a higher power whether you believe in God whether you believe in many gods whatever you believe in I feel like the universe is so intelligent and is constantly working its magic or maybe we're accidentally doing it you know like all those concerns with CERN and everything like maybe we're experimenting so much with different things we have no idea that we're accidentally triggering all of these events I believe it human error okay well anyway I can't find this video if someone out there has it has a screenshot has access to it found is a better person to navigate a better person if you're a better person let us know if you're better than me please let me know anyway I remember seeing this footage but apparently the cameras would catch these bigfoots wandering around the tunnels all the time and after many years of encountering these creatures

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they were removed as a potential Ebe extraterrestrial biological entity threat and believed to just be an Undiscovered animal not an alien but I think it's strange that even if it was an Undiscovered animal that they wouldn't I guess like do something about all the bigfoots wandering around so my question is for qualifiers like alien is it have to be a species from outside of our like outside of Earth it's like an unearthly species or is it an intelligence life that is yeah I guess what qualifies alien I don't know because because yeah if we think about it the Extraterrestrial biological entity I would assume most aliens would fit under like who we think of as aliens would fit under biological because I think of them as these living beings unless there's some sort of different classification and what does entity mean does it mean like just something that exists like a a being or does this mean like an actual ghost do they have

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different classifications okay well this this is what really like okay there's a there's a scene in Oppenheimer where he says he talks about matter and how basically matter has convinced us that our hands are solid and cannot pass through one another but it's a concept it's a theory and like it's basically all of these atoms and I'm not using the correct scientific terms but it's all of this energy compounded so tightly together that we've formed solid but it's it's so fragile put together that so it's really just like density that yeah that keeps my fingers from going through but if something happened it could separate and they could pass through each other we could all just be Stardust again buttholes we should put a censorship sensor just a little scrap around it a little a little Bigfoot smiling Leia walked across the camera if

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anyone's listening and doesn't know why we're suddenly talking about buttholes Kim said hello but yeah when you think too hard about any of these Concepts it it really does it's a bit like it's like the matrix it's once you step if you once you take that pill there's no going back and so sometimes it's easier just to prevent yourself from going beyond that wall of the conversation because you don't know what's on the other side I almost feel I don't know if this makes me delusional or what but I feel like if I knew all of those things like the the more that I convinced myself of these things like if if someone came out and told me all the secrets of the universe and everything I really don't think I would have this existential crisis I think I'd just be like wow okay well then how much more interesting is it that I get to be here and experience life in this way and I guess I'll choose to do things that I enjoy for the time that I get to act as a human right here and I'd probably

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spend it gardening in a comedy and well yeah I'll do cool things and I think that's a cool thing to do as a human it's all about inner peace your own Inner Harmony I think I'm getting there I think we are okay so

Base tunnel encounters

yeah so they're like this is a deep episode what's going on who knew Bigfoot would get us into our Fields I know we're still searching with Bigfoot another one of the interviewed officers stated that he had asked why they don't capture one of the bigfoots to prove their existence to the world and he was told that it would not be allowed because none of the activity at the base was supposed to be revealed and bigfoots are real they're all over the area but if they admitted that that would surely draw way too much public attention to the base and it would you know interfere with other things going on that are apparently much larger than Bigfoot another officer said that he had seen the animals fairly frequently and one

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time he saw a Bigfoot that was over 10 feet tall another time he witnessed a mother and her young Bigfoot child and then another time he spotted a group of five bigfoots together so it would appear that yes sometimes they're so low but they do move as a group like they have these social units it's just that they don't always move as a pack he said that they were fully covered in hair with the exception of their palms their feet and their faces their faces were ape-like their feet more similar to ours but without an arch he also stated that they aren't nearly as rare as people assume but they're in for the most part entirely nocturnal in his experience and quite shy they spook easily they're very good at concealing themselves he said that they tracked them numerous times through the desert and even these like large huge hairy creatures amongst desert open landscape he said sometimes

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it was almost near impossible to catch them and like spot them because they were just so good at camouflaging and cloaking themselves and being completely still amongst it's wild that there's so massive and yet can cloak themselves so expert lately it is okay this man also believed that maybe they possess some sort of telepathy or at least he'd heard that because they seem to know where and with whom they're in danger and where they're safe so it was basically it like came up because it was like they frequent the Air Force Base a lot and they think some of them theorize it's because they know that they're safe at the Air Force Base because no one's going to do anything because no one has done anything for a long time and there's such strict rules and procedures that there's not going to be someone who goes off course and like shoots and captures the Bigfoot because they're probably going to be in jail for the rest of their lives or disappeared you know which is actually interesting which is probably why so many Bigfoot like

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it's almost a paradoxical in the sense that or ironic maybe and I know people use that word wrong and so I might be using it incorrectly in this moment but like the way that Bigfoot hunter so desperately want to catch Bigfoot and we talked about in part two where like a lot of these Bigfoot Hunters have this desire to kill and so which is so a upsetting because then they are directly putting the thing that they so desperately want to find more than anything in the world In Harm's Way and if they have this ability to understand and perceive when they are threatened then the the chances of a Bigfoot hunter finding them is going to be a lot less a lot less yeah no absolutely and in a minute I'll go into some of the considerations people have given to that and how to protect bigfoots from hunters and from the people who who want them most in a in the greediest of ways okay so basically if these things are if these creatures are biological animals it's believed that they're also spiritual ones that they they trust

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their instincts they have unlocked abilities beyond the majority of humans yet it still doesn't really explain at least for the Edwards Air Force Base if they are these like physical biological beings that are are grounded here on Earth how they are able to get past the guarded and secure tunnels at Edwards Air Force Base which is supposed to be like a Fort Knox situation and how they aren't captured when they're in the actual facilities because apparently yeah they're seen wandering outside and no one does anything about that but when they're in the tunnels officers do go into the tunnels to try to intercept the bigfoots but the creatures just suddenly disappear huh that we have no idea what they are and basically some people absolutely believe bigfoots could exist but what they could be is Up For Debate but if they do exist they surely would be considered an endangered species given how small their population must be which is likely what triggered a few of the Sasquatch preservation laws well who

Bigfoot legal protection

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in 1969 skamaniac I'm butchering this I know County ordinance number 6901 and the 1999 Whatcom County resolution number 92043 both counties in Washington state protect Bigfoot creatures if they do exist they are now protected from Hunters allowing them to fall within Wilderness conservation and preservation laws they're considered an endangered animal and you are not allowed to harm them touch them interfere with them kill them in 2018 a Bigfoot researcher Claudia Ackley she filed a lawsuit with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for failing to acknowledge the existence of Bigfoot after she had an encounter with what she says is quote a Neanderthal man with a lot of hair she had contacted Emergency Services when she came in contact with the sink because I think she was so scared and she was told that it was a bear and she actually passed away this year but up until her passing she ran an online

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support group for individuals claiming to experience psychological trauma as a result of an encounter with a Sasquatch I love that that existed and I hope someone has taken over it I know hopefully right there's so many people yeah oh and it is a traumatic thing like to put it in perspective imagine us not knowing what a grizzly bear is or what a wolf is or something or a crocodile and or shark like the things that people are so scared of and we come in contact with it or even like an elephant imagine not knowing what an elephant is and seeing one for the first time and it kind of charging at you and everyone telling you you're making it up and that actually that elephant was just a that was a common house cat you got confused like that would be so traumatizing so I'm glad that that exists yeah so one thing is for sure Bigfoot has stolen the hearts and the fascination of many me included there are numerous museums displaying Bigfoot evidence quite a few videos capturing supposed bigfoots some

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which have yet to be debunked a number of podcasts books documentaries and television shows dedicated to chronicling and researching Bigfoot evidence many conferences and festivals which are attended by thousands of people annually and often have Bigfoot calling competitions as part of the festivities I was just going to say to end this episode do we need to do our calls oh almost but I'm not ending it quite yet okay great yes so basically I I literally wrote I'm not going to conclude this episode with some suggestion of where to go or some facts about why Bigfoot could be real instead I'm going to end with one final story it is a Bigfoot encounter which I heard about a few years ago when I watched the documentary missing 4-1-1 hunted and it has stuck with me and it has stuck with my mom who watched it with me fun and then I have a story from a listener okay lovely it is the Sierra sounds the Sierra Nevada sounds that's its nickname one of the many recorded Bigfoot sounds

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that has not been able to be debunked or disputed The Sounds recorded suggest that bigfoots have a rudimentary language through complex spoken sounds this series of recordings have been analyzed by professionals who can't identify the creature that is making the sound but based off of it has theorized that these animals making the sound have to be much larger than a human or at least not human at all because the frequencies of the sounds can't be duplicated by human vocals Dr R Lynn Curlin professor of electrical engineering at University of Wyoming was first sent these tapes which I will play a part of it later you are oh my God yes okay he was first sent these tapes and in his analysis of these tapes he said that the sounds based on pitch and sound seem like it's from more than one creature he also said the tape does not

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appear to have any speed alterations and does not appear to be altered at all in terms of pre-recording or re-recording audio over the sounds that we're hearing so basically all the experts who have listened to it have basically said this there's nothing that they can't this was faked right and then they can't place it to be anything else I either they can't place it to be anything else and the only reason they can't identify like for sure that this is Bigfoot is because apparently within the science Community with zoology and primatology and what whoever else is involved whatever ology you have to whatever ology you have to have a visual on the animal making the sound for confirmation that it's coming from that animal so you can't just suggest or theorize it's coming from a Bigfoot so basically the only thing that's stopping them from saying this is from a Bigfoot is the fact that they haven't physically witnessed a Bigfoot making the noise

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okay that makes sense by like a scientist okay yes so retired U.S Navy

Sierra Nevada sound analysis

cryptologic linguist Scott Nelson wow I can't even he's an expert in language and I can't even say his title but he was trained in all of the deceptive practices in voice Communications when he was in the U.S Navy and now he's retired and he has an interest in language and he was doing I think it was I was reading that he was like doing a school project or something with his son and it was suggested just kind of like a silly project that his son would do like a research paper on Bigfoot and his son was like what do Bigfoot sound like and so he looked up Bigfoot sounds and that's when he came across these tapes and he was like oh my God as a as a professional linguist he was like this does not sound like it could be from human origin and this kind of sparked all of this research that he would do into sounds made by bigfoots it's all from like a goofy little school project that his son was doing so he got

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in contact with the people who originally recorded these sounds and has been studying them and he said he does not believe that it could be faked it's def definitely not human and does sound like a language he said both of the creatures voices overlap on one another on the tapes almost interrupting each other like you would naturally like a coffee chest like and he also said the people taking the video their voices are speaking mimicking and Whispering over one another and over these animals and knowing that these tapes have not been altered in any way it would be basically impossible to replicate that or or to fake that so he said it doesn't appear to be faked it doesn't appear to be tampered with and he also believes that these tapes have up to three bigfoots recorded communicating with each other and he has been working to decipher the language he has even gone with one of the original men who were there who took the recording to that exact spot so that

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he could hear more of the sounds which he did he heard more of the Bigfoot sounds in person but he was still unable to transcribe and translate the language but he's working on it he's hopeful that must be so hard though because he only has that amount of footage or like sound like that much recording that how can you transcribe a language from such a short amount of time well and it's also so difficult I would imagine to do it out of context without seeing physically what people what the bigfoots are doing right like right it's not like if he's handing you something yeah and saying okay oh it's either drink or water or take or something you know like he he doesn't have any of those Clues what a cool job right it's yeah I mean this was I think he was retired and this is kind of like what he's doing in his retirement so very cool very I'm going to tell you how these recordings were Acquired and then I'm gonna play a very small snippet at the end a 90 second snippet of the

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recordings which you can buy online and download and there's 90 minutes of recorded because okay that's way more than I thought they would be 90. I'm gonna play you 90 seconds of 90 minutes okay I'm listening I'm here for it and I'm also going to link in the show notes the website where you can purchase them if you want to listen to the whole thing okay okay so between Yosemite and Tahoe there is a campsite it's location unknown to the general public and certainly illegal to have a campsite there but it was used by a group of friends and Hunters since the 50s and every year this group would Traverse eight miles of wilderness and relocate their campsite four thousand feet above the Sierra Nevada mountains the Springs would start there the water was the freshest the air the cleanest it was just a really lovely place to be and so this group of friends they this original group of four people who were Hunters

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were Warren and Lewis Johnson Bill McDowell and Ron Moorhead Ron is the one who now sells the recordings so they would continue to come back year after year on this annual trip and they said this area felt as close to Heaven as they'll ever get they had quite a few rules for the camp too it was very serious business like they wanted to respect the nature respect the hunt respect each other no alcohol could be could be had while they were up there there was you know like everything you you pack in you pack out like they were in and out in the cleanest and tightest way possible each year they had a 100 success rate with hunting they had a great time there they always got a deer it was just an awesome time for them and this started in the 50s in the late 70s so 20 years into this annual trip Ron stopped hunting thing but continued to go back annually to camp and spend time with his friends and this is a bit perplexing to all of them because they had spent a lot of time up there already but when they returned in 1971 this was the very first year that they

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encountered odd things when the sun set odd noises began to emanate through the woods it sounded big it sounded close hmm sometimes this would happen in the dead of night waking them from their Slumber and these men would lay their scared listening to these sounds that sounded like Grunts and screams and whistles and whoops and wraps on the trees and and on rocks and these noises they just came night after night sometimes the men would be outside around their campfire around their camp stove and these sounds would start up and they would quickly move into their shelter and their shelter was was basically a bunch of logs and branches that they had pinned between a few trees and had this giant tree trunk to create this mini shelter and they would use this large log as the door entrance I feel like I described that horribly but when I play The Sounds in the video I'm gonna include three photos that Ron uh

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that Ron Moorhead has on his website how much does it cost to buy all 90 minutes I think they're only like between 10 and 15 bucks each so under 40 bucks for 90 minutes of Bigfoot noises so basically it was like this tiny little wooden Hut and and when the noises would happen they would run in there and then grab the big log and shut themselves in the camp because they were so scared of what this thing was they had no idea what the thing was and so they didn't want to risk their safety and they would just like kind of huddle terrified in their Camp until the sun rose every day every day the VIP continued to put up with it is like it's funny but they didn't just like pack their stuff after the first time and Say Goodbye maybe it was because they were Hunters that they were just like you know they had their guns so maybe they thought and they knew that they're not like they're in the wilderness it's not their territory yeah totally they had a lot of respect for the land all right the next year they

Recording Bigfoot sounds

bring an investigative reporter back with them to this campsite his name is Al Berry and they were like you gotta

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hear these sounds or something odd here Albury was not a Bigfoot believer he didn't go into this being like I'm gonna find Bigfoot at all he went in to be an investigative reporter to see what these guys are experiencing to see if there's any truth to it to to understand what could be going on while he's there all these noises happen again he records 90 minutes of audio throughout these various recordings all Bigfoot or we believe to be Bigfoot in the audio these men are mimicking The Sounds back to the animals in an attempt to communicate with them and here's what they heard I'm going to send you the clip and then we're going to press play at the exact same time so we can okay and listen together yeah okay ready go thank you

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you can tell the difference between human and yeah not totally to him across the creek at the big rocks the Screamers look at the words okay it almost sounds like barking

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yeah it's like barking and then it's like whoa there's 90 minutes on that 90 minutes I don't think it's all like yeah yeah like it is and in this clip where it's all together it's probably scattered but I when I first heard it because like in the beginning when they're like oh I was looking at Bear noises moose noises elk calls I was I was listening to all of that because it does kind of sound like an elk but an elk is not that deep but it also does have like something like a bird it almost sounds jungle like yeah and so a lot of people have also said that they believe that Bigfoot has the ability to mimic other animals and so maybe not all of the what we're hearing is actual language maybe some of it is just them mimicking their surroundings and trying to present themselves as a bird or like parroting what they hear in the woods around them

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but this is what those guys were hearing can you imagine not knowing and being so deep into the woods where there's nobody else around you it's just you and like three of your buddies and you're in this makeshift camp like hidden behind a tree trunk and you're all huddled in your fort until sun comes up terrified so this is what they would hear night after night year after year after it all started in the 70s they would sometimes find Footprints large footprints in the snow know or in the pine and after a couple years they wondered if maybe this thing was or these things these animals were trying to scare them away odd things continued to happen they would hear these unidentified animalistic noises but they would also experience other strange phenomena it's almost like alien-like so they said the they remember one time hearing their Camp being ripped apart they heard pots banging and bags being tossed and the entire thing was just being tossled and so they were like is it a bear a moose Bigfoot like what what the hell is happening when they go outside when the

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noises finally stop and they feel like they're able to leave their shelter safely they remove the large wood trunk from their shelter and they peek outside and nothing has been Disturbed at all it was like the forest had mimicked the sound of the camp being destroyed but nothing had been moved nothing was out of place that's so bizarre and yeah and then it makes me question like timelines and different universes because it's like was there a moment I don't know I don't know and I feel like the like things that I can come up with don't actually make sense but by saying them it's like okay like Serena that's dumb but but I'm trying to make sense of it and based on the knowledge that we have had and like the very minimal knowledge is not the right word but basically this idea of Ripples and time and when we talk about paranormal stuff where it's like someone sees a spirit but then it's like they make contact with each other and they're like wait a second it's almost like you stepped into their space and they stepped into yours and you're

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both existing in that space But in a different time well and there might be something really weird going on in terms of timelines and whatnot because there was another time that they this group was outside and they said the entire Sky sounded like a tuning fork like when you hit the fork it's like they said the entire Sky the entire like everything around them was just this vibration this vibrational tone here's a question you know how when a star implodes it creates like a black hole and we don't really know what exists inside a black hole but we almost feel like it's another multitude of universes like yeah what if what if we are we exist within a black hole like what if we are a black hole we could yeah what if what if a black hole is a like living conscious thing and where just it's hallucination it's tripping honestly we are the result of it what is Life okay so of course they're

Orbs and strange phenomena

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hearing these vibrations they're encountering these odd things and there's a bunch of Bigfoot so why wouldn't there be orbs in the woods of course that's a natural next step and that is exactly what they encountered there were all these orbs these blue orbs these white lights that would move through the forest and sometimes they would be in a ball other times they'd be almost like this long snake-like straight line that would Traverse through like a few feet off of the ground just kind of weave through the different trees and so they thought it was so odd and they they had no idea what they were experiencing but all these odd things kept happening up here I don't know what to make of it I was kind of like could this also be Bigfoot transition into if it is this sort of like hybrid of spirit and living is this the spirit version we're seeing of it or maybe our are these spirits and extraterrestrials just as interested in Bigfoot as we are and so they're visiting the bigfoots in the Sierra Nevadas and checking in on their

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activity making sure they're safe and we're just witnessing it I don't know I don't even know what we're talking about anymore because it's just so confounding I've truly I've lost I've lost brain capacity so much there's so many theories yeah that's the thing I feel like with so many paranormal entities encrypteds there's like one or two theories about what this thing could be Bigfoot is a multitude because it's so it just defies everything we know and so and it's kind of unpredictable at times not really though like it's unpredictable in the way that we don't have an explanation for packaging everything that it does into one logical puzzle piece so that's why it feels so confusing because we think we know something but then it conflicts with another thing that it does in our minds so we don't know what this thing is but Ron Morehead he still returns to the area to this day time after time looking for answers his original group of hunters also return they now bring their kids to join them hunting and camping

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and the structure has since been taken down because the U.S forest Service discovered it and you're not allowed to do that so they took that down but they still go and camp and hunt and the group is also very selective about who they take to the area they do not want to expose the exact location to people they they want it to remain as it is which is largely Untouched by humans do they still hear the noises every year I think so yeah should we try to interview Ron I'm sure maybe he would he definitely wouldn't take us there that's fine we don't need it I think we should set him up okay let's ask him but yeah so he he Ron and his group they do not want the area to be disturbed they do not want it to be destroyed they want the bigfoots to live peacefully there amongst them because after the all these decades it seems that despite them both very much knowing about each other's presence there's there's nothing uh to indicate that they are challenging each other or

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going to harm one another so when Ron and his group do visit they are reminded of the bigfoots in the area through their whistles their screams their large footprints in the forest bed and they believe and the question we ask is do you what do you think of Bigfoot after this three-parter what the heck did we talk about did we come any closer to coming into finding some answers or have we confused ourselves even more or yeah is the honest truth that we will literally never know I just I don't know I fully believe I have no idea what they are I think that's the hardest part is for everything that we know and for how many years they have been in existence and the amount of encounters and small pieces of it of evidence that we continue to gather on them they are still just as confusing and then the more we find out it's almost even more confusing yeah do you want to give your

Listener encounters and closing

best Bigfoot call before giving us a an

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encounter yes let me grab my kitty cat like are you ready for bigfoot calls let's see I want to see what her reaction is to mine okay ready yeah warming up that kind of sounded like fun okay that's so good you got really deep see I feel like you're almost disproving the existence because they were like there's no way humans can even vocalize in that range and I feel like you've got right there all right let's hear yours um I'm trying to think of what the noise just sounded like it was like that's mine that was a good one yours definitely had more of a language to it yeah I'm just repeating what I heard in there how Wild though yeah wow

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okay I have a listener story this is from our listener Autumn it's a kind of short one and so it has I'm gonna I'm gonna read both of the stories on patreon I asked for encounters with Bigfoot and babysitter horror stories so I got both in Autumn's email hello Sabrina and Corinne my name is Autumn I absolutely love your podcast and I'm excited to be an only Phantom on patreon as well I saw your call to action and thought I would tell my stories because I have one for Bigfoot and for babysitting I have plenty of ghost stories too and I'll compile those one time as for the Bigfoot encounter the story comes from my mom who grew up in a small town here in Canada as you know we have so many Bigfoot encounters and lots of forests my mom and her cousins had been playing outside in the trees and bushes when they heard something near them but didn't quite see what it was after hearing the noise my mom remember smelling something horrible like a wet dog but worse it was really terrifying because they had heard wrestling behind the bushes but had only smelt it and

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felt presence without ever fully being able to see the thing see another example my mom said that most of her cousins don't remember this occurrence as adults or just thought the memory was some make-believe game that they convinced themselves it was not real my mom however remember smelling and hearing that thing in the woods and she knows it was real she has a feeling it was not a forest animal but Bigfoot we believe we fully believe my babysitting horror story is not paranormal but still so scary I was maybe 15 or 16 years old and I was babysitting at a family friend's house so I felt pretty comfortable because I knew the family however this time was different because a few days before I was babysitting for them they had experienced an attempted break-in now I was babysitting at their house all alone at night I was scared an intruder would attempt another break-in it was so creepy because it would be like 3 A.M in the middle of the cold and dark winter and then live near a train track so randomly I would hear this train blaring

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and it would startle me I was so on edge the night ended up going fine though I never heard anything and I made it home safely but the scariest part was when I found out the news the next day I found out the parents I babysat for had found shoe prints outside in the snow on the side of their house that had been fresh from the night before because it had just snowed I never babysat there again after that I was too scared thanks for reading girls love your episodes love autumn oh my gosh my heart is terrifying for this person that's so so scary I would never babysit again like regardless for this person for anyone I would never be alone ever that I'm sorry where the footprints were but I imagine that this person was just like watching watching stalking this is why everyone needs curtains and curtains that aren't just like I feel like a lot of people have sheer curtains myself included where yeah you

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can't see out but people can see in you need like full-on blackout curtains where people cannot see inside your house at night also if you don't have a security system get that or even if you can't afford one just put the security system like a sticker sticker and like sign because then you know someone might see that and just be like oh not gonna risk it right I think there's a statistic it says like if you even just have that sign there's safety and like a beware of dog or something or even like beware of college house beware of Bigfoot be Beware of the human that lives inside because she is batshit crazy that will be mine because she believes in Bigfoot because they're there ain't nothing she won't do to survive well let me tell you that uh I will poop in your mouth if if I captured listen I have terrible IBS and constipation but if I need to survive it will happen yeah you will you will be captive for

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some time so you you don't want that you know it's really funny you don't want us to play bigfoot documentaries on Loop for eight days before we release you into the woods and say good luck um this is such a pivot but so my sister my niece she's um two months now but she um oh my gosh I can't believe she's already two months I know I think by the time this comes out she's almost three months but it is so funny to me how like she immediately I'm like you are a part of our family my whole family has indigestion and bad like bowel movements and she is the gaseous little girl ever and I am like I am so sorry for you but you were definitely a Deanna Roga oh well she's young it'll it'll get solid soon maybe or she'll just be a gassy little girl I mean I never grew out of it [Laughter] who did Bigfoot we okay these stories though like Autumn's

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mom's experience I totally believe that was Bigfoot because it just it hits all of the all of the the markers for like did you encounter a Bigfoot it's like an unseen looming large entity that reeks like the stench is horrible and I feel like we all know the stench of certain like wildlife and farm life because there's just like we're around it enough right like if you go to a petting zoo or is it like you you know the smells and it it's I've never encountered a Bigfoot so I don't know what the stench is like but it seems like it's people that do it is so unlike anything else and so overpowering that and without a doubt you just unmistakably something real hearing Bigfoot near Bigfoot who Bigfoot are we talking about podcast now pivoting we should a bunch of big um podcasts on my list to binge and listen

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to okay I actually had an idea so we have Portland is like the first show on a weekend we should go a day early and do like Bigfoot stuff the day before oh that's a great idea wait it's funny because Nikita she texted me the other day because she was like where does Bigfoot live because they were in Montana camping and John really wanted to buy a Bigfoot t-shirt or like a Bigfoot paraphernalia and uh she didn't believe I don't think she believed that Bigfoot was actually living in Montana I was like oh I think bigfoots are there he can buy he can buy his shirt yeah it's allowed yeah oh man okay well if you've seen Bigfoot or if you believe in Bigfoot or if you don't believe in Bigfoot let us know email us your encounters emails your paranormal stories to two girls one ghostpodcast gmail.com your we are resuming paranormal stories starting next week but uh Bigfoot is always a part of our hearts because we are all

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Bigfoot we deserved it we waited six years yeah but also these these were it's paranormal in a sense it's supernatural it totally is two girls one Bigfoot we love you all come see us on tour we're doing an entire fall tour in 32 cities in the U.S and one show in Toronto Canada please come see us we have so much fun and spookiness that's gonna happen you might leave haunted we might leave haunted who knows yes join our patreon by merch watch us on YouTube if you want to see the photos and videos and Leia yowling with another cat um and uh what else we love you we love you shout out to our team thank you Christina for editing all of the audio and video that we put out on various platforms thank you to Avery for helping to coordinate the tour so we can actually go and thank you to Loren who is helping us with social media also so that we can go on tour and thank you all of you we love you so

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much thank you for being here with us for six freaking years and six more and we will see you on the other side