327. HAUNTED HOUSE & A PIRATE | The Ocean Born Mary House & Ghosts | Paranormal Podcast

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Picture this. You're 7 months pregnant, stuck on a ship crossing the Atlantic Ocean in 1720. You're days away from reaching the colonies. A new life, a promising beginning, when all of a sudden, the contractions begin. Your baby is coming now in the belly of an overcrowded ratinfested ship. You push, you scream, and just as your newborn daughter lets out her first cry, boom. A cannon sounds and chaos erupts on deck. Pirates are coming. They climb aboard, wreaking havoc in every direction, tearing away precious possessions until they hear your baby's cry. Everything goes silent. And then a pirate approaches and makes a deal. Name her Mary, and I'll spare ye life. That baby grew into a red-haired woman. and her story is too strange to stay

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buried. Pirates, murder, and a house with buried treasure. This is the story and haunting of Ocean Born Mary. Yeah, very spooky.

Pajama day & meeting a listener

Hi. Hi. This is two girls, one ghost. Two girls, one ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That is Karen. Hello. I'm Sabrina. And today it's pajama day. It's uh This is Yours is vintage though. Yes, I retrieved this. I purchased this gown, my house coat from the Salem flea market. I feel like we got to bring back house coats. We got to bring back like I

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am a huge clothes and just like wearing things like that inside. I've been doing it. We're doing it right now. Right. Why not just dawn a robe and wander through the halls of your home? That's what I do. drinking your coffee, sipping your tea, petting your cat or wine, whatever it was. That sounded kind of perverted. Hey, pet whatever cat you want. If it's your own, pet away. Weird pivot into this, but I met a listener the other day. Shout out to Erica Gloucester. We went out for Brian's birthday. I went out with Erica. I went out with Erica. I went out with Brian for his birthday. And it was like, you know, we have kids or a child, not kids. It feels like a lot, but it's one and me. 4:30 p.m. dinner. It was like the first one available. And she walked over and she was like, "Are you Karin?" And I completely assumed that it was like them not checking off the reservation and just wanted to confirm we were there to

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to check it off. But then she she was a listener and we I won't tell all of her tales cuz they're personal, but she said she'd send an email and title it that she met me at this place. So as soon as I see it, I'll read it. You'll pull it. Yeah. She was awesome. I love that. And then so our nanny for Noah, she's just like this amazing woman who also has the most beautiful eyes. So I always like forget to blink when I and like look away when I'm talking to I'm sorry I'm staring at you. But her daughter just got a gig in Salem at the funeral home. Stop. She goes to school in New Orleans and she writes like gothic horror stories. So I was like, she's one of us. Well, she's one of us. Of course, we'd find a nanny whose daughter is like so one of us. Yeah. You need to surround yourself with people like us. We're the best. Pet and pet every cat. Not every cat. Only cats who have permission to pet. Yeah. Ask the cat first. All types

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of cats. Um, well, that's not appropriate to the story, but this outfit is appropriate to the story we're going to be talking about today because well, it's a old story. I guess you're wearing it's a vintage story. Old house coat. And I'm wearing an old house coat. Actually, speaking of cats, this is a good transition into a cat. When I walk around the house with this on um because it has the strings. Leia and the kitten that I'm fostering right now, Minnie, just like chase after. Oh my gosh, that's so cute. I'm a little cat toy. I'll give you my strings. Give them more. I'm a traveling cat toy. I don't really know how to transition into the story, but let's just get into it. Okay, so I do want to preface this

The pirate & the crying child

story. This is the haunting of and the story of Oceanborn Mary, but I do want to preface that a lot of Mary's story has become a topic of debate, a matter of fact or folklore. Oh, interesting. But her birth is in fact stranger than fiction. We'll begin with her birth. James and Elizabeth Wilson

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were among many Scotch-Irish immigrants who boarded a ship in 1720. They likely left from Olter, Ireland, headed for the American colonies. And they, like many others, were seeking a new life, a new beginning, a new start, a brighter future. And they were looking forward to bringing about a new life because Elizabeth was 7 months pregnant. And I was looking for more information about the ship that they boarded, but I couldn't find specific records and details. Yeah. But it is likely that they were aboard one of the five ships, which is what they were called, of 1718, which carried many Olster Presbyterians to Boston and Portland area. And this was like a travel route, I guess. So these transatlantic ships typically carried anywhere between 100 and 250 passengers. They were very crowded, unsanitary, and conditions were rough. Like the water conditions, and then also just living conditions. Well, also think about it. This is basically the route

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that the Titanic took. It's true. This voyage took anywhere from 6 to 12 weeks, depending on the weather, the ship size, and crew experience. So, keep this all in mind. All of that, plus Elizabeth is 7 months pregnant. No, I don't want to even get in a car at 7 months pregnant, right? It's tough to travel. I also realized I said uh last week that I was going to wear my brother's robe. This is not my brother's robe. I would love if it were and I would not judge if it was. No, I should have worn it. It would be way bigger and comfier. I think I have a shower curtain with that same pattern. Do you? It's very uh French summer. What? How do you say it? Like tuli tul tul tul. So, back to Elizabeth and James. They board the ship. Elizabeth is seven or so months pregnant and she and James are nervously excited. Despite the rough seas and poor conditions, they spent their days planning for their future. They dreamt of welcoming their child into the world once they settled into their new home in the colonies. But

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given the fact that this story is called Oceanorn Mary, as you can expect, they did not reach the colonies. Yeah. In time for their baby to come. So their little one, entranced by their singing and beckoned by the sea, decides, you know what? I'm not going to wait. And on July 26th, 1720, Elizabeth Wilson goes into labor while aboard the ship in the middle of the ocean. And they're like a day or two away from reaching the colonies. So, this child is just like, you know what? Never mind. I'm I'm coming now. So, here Elizabeth is sardineed between dozens of people in a ratfested cabin, swaying amongst the waves, and she has to give birth to a child. James holds her hands. This community of people that they've spent weeks with is forming around Elizabeth and helping encourage her as she pushes and pushes and gives birth to a beautiful baby girl. Exhausted but relieved that her daughter was delivered and is healthy, this new family, Elizabeth, James, and their baby girl hunker down and are like, "We just got

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to get through the last few days of travel." When all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom. the sounds of cannons and then chaos erupts on deck of the ship. There are pirates coming to attack. So scary. It's also so wild that such the cannons are so little. I pictured them as bowling balls when I was a kid. But now when you go into all of these historical museums, like when we were on tour in St. Augustine, we had a ton of them and they're so small, but they do so much. They do. Yeah. There's panic, chaos, and dread. And I looked this up. So from 1650 to 1730, it's referred to as the golden age of piracy, meaning like peak pirate attack era. New England was considered a juicy target because ships entering these ports carried goods and a lot of wealthy people who were migrating to the colonies. And so while this is often a stereotype where pirates come on and kill everyone, it wasn't always common and it wasn't necessarily their mo to

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slaughter everyone on board. They would really like thieving, loot, and burglary. Exactly. They also didn't treat their victims well, and they instilled a lot of Some could argue the victims were already not treated well as just passengers on board either. True. True. But yes, alas. So, people knew of this potential threat of pirates and piracy. So, when they hear the cannons and everyone on board and all the crew is like yelling pirates, they're all terrified. And Elizabeth has just given birth to a baby girl, like a brand new, maybe an hour out of the womb child. So Elizabeth clutches on to her newborn daughter, looks to her husband, who reassures her everything will be okay. But even she knew those words were empty because he was unsure, scared. They huddled together as overhead they heard the sounds of cannons. And then the ship jerks sideways, screams from above, then boots, clmping steadily. The pirates I

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like feel the panic. I know. And for just a minute, all went quiet. The stillness more horrifying than the prior threat of cannon fire. Then a hatch flies open and a bright stream of light spills down, illuminating the terrified passengers below. Elizabeth looks to James, then to her child squirming in her arms. She tries to shush her baby in fear. And then a figure descends, led by dirty black boots. He appears larger than life towering over the mass of people below. It's a man, a pirate, an unruly red beard on his chin. But that's not what scares Elizabeth. It's the pistol at his side. He is without a doubt the worst pirate she's ever heard of. That's a Pirates of the Caribbean quote for all of you. That's actually what I've been picturing the whole time, too. like as they get on board. I'm totally picturing like octopus heads and everything like that. Davy Jones. Davy Jones. Davy Jones. Yeah. In the Six, like Daisy Jones.

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I am all in for that spin-off. That fan fiction. Dis Jones and the Six. Oh my gosh. It's a band started on Davy Jones. A ship. Ship. That would be incredible. Bootstrap. We have an idea for you. Yeah. Oh man, I love it. They play the conch. They're like Sebastian and Little Mermaid. Yeah. Yeah. They look really scary, but they actually play like Noon music. Yeah. It's like sweet harmonies, acoustics, heartbreak melodies, right? Sad Girls. It's sad girl. All sad girl songs. I love my mom, but I'm depressed. Take my Xanax. Hell, what's next? That's their song. Be your member. I'll be their writer. And then until they get someone good. Okay. Okay, so this man looms over them and each and every one of them hold their breath. Time slows and a deafening silence falls and then a sound and it takes a moment for Elizabeth to register what it was. Then she realizes it's her

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baby crying. And something strange happens in this moment that would otherwise feel like a death sentence. That red bearded pistol wielding pirate softens. Is that a baby I hear? I have me babies at home. Yes. I don't know, baby. I don't know where I'm from. Okay. What's a pirate voice? I You did it in the beginning. It was I don't I need like a You lost it. Yeah, I lost it. I'm not a part of Davy Jones. The pirate softens. Is that a baby I hear? He pushes through the crowd like one of us when we see like a really cute puppy. I love babies. His voice rises three octaves higher as he squeals excited. Can you say mama? He's singing. He's singing Baby Shark. Oh, hello little baby or cute one. Aren't you? Aren't you? He's Irish and southern. I don't know. And he lifts his eyes to look at Elizabeth. It's a girl. He's so

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excited. And Elizabeth, stunned into silence, nods. And then, as if the entire situation couldn't get weirder, the pirate does something unbefitting of our pirate stereotype that we have been led to believe. He barters a deal. He's like, "You know what? I love babies." And I am going to make a deal. Instead of uh stealing all of your precious treasures and making this journey way worse for you, I am going to ask you name your daughter Mary after my mother. Like truly, they're singing no econom music. I love my mom and I miss her. And he's like got tears welling in his eyes and he's like just please name her Mary and I'll let you all go. Could you imagine if Elizabeth's like but I really wanted to name her Eloise. I do like Eloise though. Mary Eloise. Eloise. There we go. So she Dang. Agreed. This guy's giving like grandpa new grandpa vibes. Well, he wants to be. Yeah. And so Elizabeth and James obviously are like, "Yeah, of course. We'll name her Mary." And the

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pirate was overjoyed. And I just imagine him like giving tons of like little like beard filled kisses to the baby. So this pirate lets all the captives go and lets the ship continue on its way to New England. And before he departs, he bequeaths a gift to Mary, a length of green silk. And this was just the beginning of Mary's life. Mary now becomes known as oceanborn Mary. She arrives in New Hampshire safe and sound. And the story of her birth and the pirates pardon became a local legend and not in the falsity way. Like this is while there is no record per se, historians have been able to date back this part of the story and verify it. Oh. So people could hardly believe it. This was a truly incredible story and it was told time and time again and people don't really know who the pirate was, but people have speculated that it was anyone from a young black bart who was the most successful pirate of the era to a privateeer gone rogue off the Irish coast. But so then Mary and her family

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arrive in Londereerry, New Hampshire, a ScotchIrish settlement soon after arriving to the colonies in 1720. She was raised among a devout Presbyterian farming community and they lived a modest, respectable life. And now we're gonna play a little game, folklore or

Folklore or fact

fact. And I'm not going to give you the answers yet, but you can uh make note of them in your head. Okay? And as we get through the rest of the episode, you will find out if you were correct or not. Great. You can tell me your answers. I just won't confirm. Okay? I'm going to read a series of statements about Oceanborn Mary. And your job, Karen, and everyone listening is to guess. Are these real historical facts or spooky New England lore that has been dramatized over time? And if you get them correct, you win pirates booty that is you have to buy yourself. Yeah. Number one, Oceanborn Mary was born on a ship and spared from a pirate attack. I guess fact. After becoming a widow, Mary experienced the string theory and ran

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into that same pirate who spared her all those years before. And the two were wed and she wore that green silk that he had given her family the day she was born. Myth. I hope she's not marrying someone who's like 50 years older than her. Mary's pirate husband was murdered and there's hidden treasure buried beneath her New Hampshire home. I feel like both. I feel like yes, he was murdered. And then the lore is that there's treasure. Mary haunts the Oceanborn Mary house in Henker, New Hampshire. Fact. Stay tuned. So, it is true that Mary was born on the

Ocean Born Mary's life in New Hampshire

ship and spared from the pirate attack. While not officially documented, like I said, in historical records, the oral tale has been traced back and determined most likely factual. And she did then grow up in London, New Hampshire. And in 1742, when Mary was 22 years old, she married a man named, and this is one of those things about stories that have been dramatized over time or retold in

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so many different ways. Facts become muddled. Yeah. So, there was one article that said that she married a man named James, which was the same name as her dad, and then another one that said that she married a man named Thomas. I did find an image from the historical society that like in the caption it said in her marriage to Thomas. So, oh, I'm going to say Thomas. Okay. So, she married a man named Thomas Wallace and on her wedding day, Mary apparently wore that green piece of silk that the pirate had gifted her parents on the day of her birth. Together, Mary and Thomas had five children together. But unfortunately, Thomas died when Mary was only 37 years old, leaving her a widow. Three of Mary's sons moved to Henker, New Hampshire, and she moved in with one of them, living out the rest of her life there. And then oceanborn Mary lived a long 94 years, dying at 94 years old in 1814, which is amazing. Think about this time period. 94. But what about the pirate? Good question. So, this is the

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story, as I just told you, that's the story that people know, as far as we know, until 1918, more than a hundred years after Mary's death. M what happened in 1918, Sabrina? Good question, Karen. Thank you for asking it and all of you out there asking became a thing. In 1918, a woman and her adult child

Flora & Louis Roy

moved to Henker, New Hampshire. It's 1918 and Louis Maurice Augustus Roy Gussy for short. Gus. Gussy. Gussy and his mother Flora Roy were living in Lacrosse. It's probably said differently, Lacrosse, Wisconsin. Gussy Lewis was around 35 years old. I'm gonna call him Lewis for the rest of the story. So Lewis, he was around 35 years old and was a respected photographer with a deep passion for early American traditions. So I'm not necessarily sure what prompted the move from Wisconsin to Henker, New Hampshire. But I'm guessing that his passion for like colonial arts

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Yeah. probably inspired it. But I imagine that he was really excited to be in this like town that had so many colonial homes and the New England landscape. It's very I mean I don't know necessarily what the landscape was in this town of Wisconsin but I think he was excited to go to New England. So Lewis finds a beautiful colonial home for sale 618 Bear Hill Road in Henker, New Hampshire. This home was built in 1784 for one Robert Wallace. It's a 5-bedroom 3 and 1 halfb historic property with over 140 acres of land. It is beautiful. the photos that I'm showing right now if you're watching YouTube are more recent in their the the home had been like renovated. But so even looking at the photos that are in the YouTube video, whoever renovated it did do a really good job of maintaining a lot of the original aspects of this house. So you can kind of picture what it looked like when Lewis Roy and Flora Roy find this house. Lewis is stoked. He's so excited. This is a dream. He

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purchases the home and his mother Flora moves with him. It's not too long after moving in that Flora begins to experience something otherworldly. Flora was awoken one evening by a strange noise, a creaking that crescendoed through their home. What was that? The wind? The house settling? But then she hears something like footsteps. Someone was walking through the hallway just outside of her bedroom. This is definitely not the house just settling. So at first she thinks it's her son working late. He's a creative. He's often up late. Yeah. So, she slips out of bed to go check on him. She opens the door and she is surprised to find a red-haired woman dressed in green silk walking down the hallway. That's odd. Does Louis have a lady friend over? But then that thought quickly passes when she realizes this woman is carrying a sword. What? Immediately Disney movie brave. I mean,

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yeah. Red hair, green dress, the sword. to the sword. Then Flora and this woman make eye contact and Flora gets this sudden feeling of fear that she is not supposed to see this woman and that this woman was trying to protect something which is why she's carrying the sword. And in that moment, the woman disappears right before her eyes. What the hell? It's one thing to realize your house is haunted. It's another to have a sword wielding ghost. Yes. But kind of badass that it's a woman. Naturally, the next morning, Flora tells every single person who will listen. Everyone love like she is she was not planning to go into town, but she had some gossip that she was ready to spill. She went to town. She sat in the coffee shop. I'm making this part up, but she sat in the coffee shop and she sees every person who walks in the door. She goes, "Betty, come here. You're never going to believe what I had happen to me last night." You'll never believe it. She had a sword. I know you're making this part up, but it's making me love her so much

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more than I already do. Yeah. So, Flora is, you know, she was the town gossip. Yes. Yeah. So, she's got Well, also just like respect that she was so confident in what she saw and knew that she was like, I got to tell everyone. Who cares what people think? I saw this. You'll be entertained by my story or not. As she and her son Louis would want you to believe. They did research into the home and discovered that the house was built for Robert Wallace, who is one of Oceanborn Mary's sons. Okay. So they then jump to the conclusion that this spirit must be oceanborn Mary and things really begin to spiral here. As I said in the very beginning, a lot of this story has become a matter of debate, fact versus fiction. It is now approaching the 1930s. The Great Depression is kind of winding down, but it has just rocked the world. People are struggling to make money, but surprisingly there's a rise in tourism, so keep that in mind. Okay, so Flora continues to tell these tales of this haunting and the ghost of Oceanborn Mary, who's haunting their home, wielding a sword, and the haunted

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Oceanborn Mary house is born. Together,

The haunted Ocean Born Mary house

Flora and Louiswis begin telling people that Oceanborn Mary lived in this home until her death. that after her husband Thomas died, Mary moved in with her son, Robert, at 618 Bear Hill Road, and that the infamous pirate who spared the lives of all of those on board because of baby Mary tracked Mary down all those years later. And that this pirate was none other than infamous Don Pedro, which I didn't do much research into this pirate, but that he tracked Mary down. Oh, so I'm sorry, Don Pedro does not sound like a redhead. No, he doesn't. He sounds like a Spanish pirate. He finds this Mary and she is now widowed and single and grown up and the two fall madly in love and this is the story. I don't like this. This feels kind of like Twilight like the imprinting. Yeah. Well, it does it help you to know that. And I'm ruining the reveal, but all of this part is fake. Good. But like why make that up? Because it's a good

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story. I totally just ruined the reveal. But I think you could have figured what was happening. Right. Yeah. Well, you said in the very beginning of the episode that like half the stuff was lore. You're right. This is like when I tell a joke and I'm like, I was joking. You know, Flora and Louis continue to tell the story that these two get married. They live in the home together at 618 Bear Hill Road. And nothing was to ever get in their way until Mary woke one morning to find that Don Pedro was not sound asleep in the bed next to her. He had already woken. She dresses and gets ready for the day and goes in search of her chiseled pirate man only to find his blood soaked body laying outside on the grounds of their property. He had been murdered and he had been murdered because he had buried treasure somewhere on the property and someone had come looking for it and he would not reveal its location. Heartbroken and widowed once more, Mary buried Don Pedro, her pirate lover, beneath the hearth of 618 Bear Hill Road and swore that she would

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protect his treasure for eternity. People eat this up. People are like, "Oh my god, I love this story." It feels so not New Hampshire either. Like it's so I feel like I would kind of believe it if it were in Florida. Well, because the being born on a ship and being spared by a pirate is true. Mhm. Why would anyone question the rest of it? Her birth is already so is already stranger than fiction. Yeah. That people believe and buy into this. And they are so into it. Okay, I'm just going to recap the story as it's being told. A baby is born aboard a transatlantic ship days from the New England shores only to be raided by pirates who are moved when they heard the we lass's cries and spared their lives and their goods. And that same pirate later finds that same baby who has now grown into a beautiful red-haired woman, marries her, buries his treasure on her land, only to be murdered, and now this same woman, Mary,

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is haunting the land, protecting that treasure. It's a fantastic story. It is. It also oddly is reminding me of my dad because I feel like he has so many stories like and he's from New Hampshire but he has so many weird stories like this like kind of similar where it does feel stranger than fiction like this was born on a ship spared by pirates. Well, no, but he did he like worked for some guy on his property and then like 20 30 years later when the wife was widowed, my dad like somehow reconnected with her and helped her track down treasure that like basically like money and goods that he had buried on the property that my dad had previously worked on years and years later. I mean earlier. Have you been holding out? Why have I My dad has a million stories like this. So like this triggered that memory New Hampshire thing. I thought it was a Florida thing. It's a New Hampshire thing. No, New Hampshire is full of treasure. So people love this story and they want more. And Flora and Louisis

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Roy are like, "Okay, we'll give you more, but you got to pay." And then this began the tourism of Oceanborn Mary house in Henker, New Hampshire. And it was a good business. People were thrilled to visit the home. They paid for ghost stories and tours. And they would even pay extra to take a shovel and dig in the ground looking for the treasure. Flora Roy would dress up in colonial garb and tell her ghost stories. Lewis Roy would teach classes on how to make candles and like how to dye fabrics and things that he loved and was super excited about. And all this money is pouring in and Lewis is able to live out his dream which was to spend all of his time studying colonial arts. He writes a book called The Candle Book all about making candles and wrote books on how to make dyes from plants and vegetables and documented these historic colonial practices. And while his books were historically accurate, the tale that he and his mother were weaving was not. Although I will say now knowing how

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they set up the museum and had everyone do everything, just like participate with digging and stuff, I realize that they were making money from it. But I also really respect it because one, they were exposing some of the colonial arts and like showing people what it was like, right? Having an opportunity to study that, but then also like who doesn't love a good show, an exhibit, right? It's one thing that they are spinning the tail as true instead of like the lore is, the legend is. If they just added those couple words, it could have gotten away with it probably better. I think the most often talked about aspect of this story is that now the legend is so muddied and the true story is getting lost. Yeah. Where Ocean Board and Mary's story already was this fantastic amazing tale of survival. She lived to be 94 years old. Like that is amazing. And now instead of making up a completely f like a completely fictional story about someone who never really existed, they're taking a woman's story

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and bastardizing it. And then so many people over time have perpetuated it. Like when you look this up, people are like, "This is the most haunted house in Henker, New Hampshire, and Oceanborn Mary's story is this, this, this, and they say it as fact rather than questioning it." But but but but does that mean that the hauntings are necessarily false? I don't know. Okay, so people don't care. And for some like 30 plus years, the Roy are perpetuating these stories and people are believing them. And when the 1938 hurricane hits New England, Lewis and Flora tell people that they saw Mary's spirit, protecting the home and that she shielded the home from any fallen trees. Oo, I like that. It reminds me of the wizard in Marblehead that you told us about. the Marvel Hub wizard who like stirred up the weather and like protected ships and seaman out at sea. Flora tells everyone that she saw Mary's ghost standing in a second floor window shimmering as if protecting her son who was attempting to

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save the garage during the storm. Paranormal investigators from all over sought to visit the home and speak with Mary's spirit. And there's like articles and pictures if you want to look at them on the YouTube video. Even Ed and Lorine Warren visited the home and I couldn't find a ton on this. And there is a book also pictured in the YouTube video, but I couldn't find a copy of it anywhere. Like it was like a Goodreads review. Oh. But it's called Lorraine Warren on Oceanorn Mary, Roosters and More by Taffy Celely Ham. It says, "This ebook contains a series of conversations with Lorraine Warren. And when they visited the Oceanborn Mary home, it was the first time that Ed Warren recognized that Lorraine's talent was being a medium. So I was shocked that there's not more about this. If this is the first time, right, that her mediumship skills are like really really coming through. Is this another bit of legend tied in with this exact same location? I mean, this book has conversations that were recorded with Lorine Warren. I I

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don't know. I couldn't find the book. That's weird. I mean, I'm sure I could have dug deeper, but it wasn't like, oh, this is available as a Kindle format, right? Every time I searched it, the good readads thing came up. So, while no visitors successfully struck gold and treasure, they did often speak of feeling Mary's spirit in the home. Others reported seeing her with their own eyes, tall, green eyes, red-haired. They would see her walking down the long staircase and sometimes Mary's spirit could be seen standing beside an upper window or throwing something down the well. Others witnessed Mary driving in her coach and up to the front door of the house. And apparently it became legend that every Halloween she could be seen with her led by her four horses driving up to this house. And this home is now privately owned or it has always kind of been privately owned. And I think they have struggled with people coming into the house on Halloween looking for her. I do know that there have also been series of owners who have fed into the lore and do up Halloween,

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which I love. That's what I was going to say. It's like if you're already struggling with that, why not just lean into it? Lean into it. We love Halloween. Yeah. Who doesn't? Put out like a donation thing. Like donate to choose whatever place you want to do it. Come sit outside of our house on Halloween. Yeah. Yeah, drink hot cider and look for Mary. So, people were certain that this home is being haunted by Mary Wallace's spirit. The Roy live in the home until the 1950s, and by the time they moved and sold the home, the house was now infamous and known as the Ocean Born Mary house. There's even like a plaque outside. It's a very cool name, too. Ocean Born Mary. Yeah. The home has remained a private residence, and I even found an ad for when the house was put up for sale in 1973, and it's amazing. It literally says, "The spooks have been evicted, but all the charm remains." That's a realtor who's trying to convince everyone it's not haunted anymore. Sell the house. Yeah. House of Herd Realtors is proud to present the

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house of the month, Oceanorn Mary House, Henker. Oh, the house is pretty. It's a very pretty house. Good transition because if you want to see the house, I there is a listing. It was recently sold in 2017 for $875,000. And there's a link on a Red Fin, which we'll include in the show notes if you want to scroll through the photos. But like here, I'll show you. Oh, I know it's a private residence, but I wish it was a bed and breakfast so that we could all stay and experience it. And then it's like more motivation to keep it exactly as it is. It's stunning. It's so pretty. Fireplace in the kitchen, which you have. So, whatever. But here's the truth. Mary never lived in this house. Did her son? Her son did. the house she presumably visited, right? And according to some Lewis Roy did make a deathbed confession in 1960, stating he made the whole thing up to make money. So here is where we answer more of the fact versus folklore portion of the story. Historians have confirmed Mary was in fact born aboard a transatlantic ship that was raided by

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pirates but then spared because of this baby. She grew up in Londereerry, married Thomas, had five children, and lived with a different son after Thomas passed away a mile down the road from 618 Bear Hill Road. So, there was no reconnection with the infamous pirate. There was no murder, no buried treasure, no silk green dress, despite Flora and Lewis literally framing a piece of silk, claiming it was the same dress that Mary wore on her wedding day. And it was literally on exhibit in the New Hampshire Historical Society Museum. There's a picture of it. Well, I will say this, that is the fault of the historical society because you cannot just take someone's word for it. Like, how did they acquire it? Where are the receipts? How did they hear all of this? Like, unless they lied and said, "We found it as we were renovating the house. It was in the floor." And then you have to take it as Oh, but yeah. And they do, I think, in the like description at the museum, they did say like the truth about this story is

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a matter of, you know, yada yada yada. But this house might be haunted

Haunted nonetheless

nonetheless. Presumably, like you said, Mary visited the house and people other than Flora have witnessed this spirit. Even paranormal investigators have caught paranormal activity in the house. Unexplained cold spots. Children reported a woman standing at the foot of their beds. Oh. According to haunted houses.com, two state troopers recently claimed to see an entity described as tall, six feet, red-haired woman dressed in 18th century attire crossing the road right below the old mansion. A couple who owned the house after the Royce had their own encounter with who they believe is Mary. This is 1963. And the couple, Mr. and Mrs. Russell, had recently moved into the house. And I think they are the couple who did a lot of renovations on the home. So, at the time they had turned off all of the water. Yeah. To do some work and their caretaker was moving something around carrying a space heater, accidentally dropped it down the stairs. It went tumbling down, leaked kerosene, and

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caught a flame. These flames, this is like an old wood home. Yeah. These flames start going out of control, climbing the wall, climbing the stairs, and there's no water in the house. So, Mr. Russell is panicked, starts running outside. It had recently snowed. He's trying to get snow to bring in Mrs. Russell and the caretaker are inside like, "Ah, what do we do?" And as Mr. Russell is outside, Mrs. Russell and the caretaker watch as all of a sudden the flames are extinguished as if someone had smothered them with a blanket. But no one did that. I have chills. Yeah. It's also It's like so up for debate, too, where it's like three things. Could this be Mary? Just because her son did live there. She lived only a mile down the road. She probably frequented the house to visit. Yeah. Was Mary never haunting here, but because people talked about her so much, her soul was somehow like summoned there, or is this just a manifestation that everyone created because of their belief? These are all

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great questions that I think are possible. We don't know. We don't know. I mean, there are a lot of people who have tried to get answers, but as with the paranormal, it's very hard to determine who a spirit is, why they're there. I'm curious what Loren Warren, I know, had to say about it. If anyone can find that book, please send it to us. You don't have to send us a book. Like, send us a link to where we can buy it. Buy it for us. Pay for postage. Send it to us to our PO box. Um, slip a 20 in as a bookmark. But so, yeah, to this day, people report paranormal activity. So, there is a haunting that is existing in this house. So the question is, like you're saying, did Flora and Lewis Roy conjurer a spirit simply because they spoke about it and put it into existence and have made hundreds and hundreds of people believe in it as well, creating a haunting. Could Oceanorn Mary's spirit be haunting the home? Or are there a bunch of other spirits haunting the house saying, "Hey, it's actually not Mary. Thanks for the recognition, Just another redhead. Sorry."

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So there's a travel channel show called Hans Hoer or the the Hoer Files. M Hans Hoser has since passed away, but he and his group did a lot of investigations into this home. He kind of always left unsatisfied and didn't know who the spirit was and wasn't sure if it was Mary, but that this house was haunted. And then his daughter, after he had passed away, joined this other Travel Channel like ghost hunting show to go investigate the house again. Mhm. And they determined that Mary was actually haunting her childhood home that had been relocated, like picked up and moved to Rhode Island. Oh. But then like again, it's a TV show. It's hard to verify. I feel like if we if we've learned one thing from Mary Lincoln, who I'm actually not sure we've ever covered, it's that you can haunt multiple places. Marilyn Monroe, too. There we go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't think you have to be in one spot. I don't think you do either. It's important to acknowledge the truth here.

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Oceanborn Mary legend has become a part of New England's charming history. It's a legend that Henker people hold close to the hearts and most people agree that regardless of the truth or the lore, this house is most definitely haunted by a nice spirit who has aided people in the home and is keeping the house safe for years to come. Dang. I know that the story is about Oceanborn Mary and that all of the interest in lore is about her because in a very Harry Potter way, she was spared, but I'm also so curious about the pirate. Like, who's this guy who is a part of this like big pirate ship that also has the power to be like, actually, we're sparing everyone because I love babies, right? Like, what's his story? I don't know. I'm curious about the You've always wanted to know more about the pirates. spot and Karan has a soft spot for pirates. So, for like olden time ghostly pirates. I never want to encounter one, but pirate stories are really fascinating to me. Yeah, cuz it does feel like such a bizarre and like how did they get there

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and and like back in the day it wasn't like they had navigation systems where they were like could see on the like sonar system or whatever like where other ships were and be like, "Oh, there's one like let's travel that way." No, they just flo around looking. I guess they knew like the routes for travel and shipping. But how do you stay hidden for the right amount of time and time it perfectly that you intercept a ship where there's not another ship that could protect them, you know? Right. Especially on like the open ocean, right? There's a lot of questions we have about pirates. Pirates are very fascinating. They are. We can do a bunch of pirate episodes. Yeah. The olden time pirates. Pirates today make me sad. Yeah. There's a lot of poverty and Andrew Ransen and Blackbeard and and David Jones and the Six. David Jones in the Six, obviously. So, I looked for a story from Orion

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House. I couldn't find any, but I chose one called Creepy Cabin from New Hampshire. Oh, perfect. Hello, Kar and

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Sabrina. I went to your live show in Bridgeport, Connecticut, and it was amazing. The Conjuring Tour really brought back the memory for me when you both mentioned that that house has history and that it comes from the land. So, I wanted to share with both of you my story. Can I real quick say because I posted the Conjuring Did you confuse people? Did people think No, no, no, no. because I posted it on Patreon. I like put a little like real on all of our socials and I found myself just like re-watching it and smiling and reminiscing just like I can't believe how much we did too when I was re-watching. I'm like, man. And the video is also the like little sizzle reel that I put is just like moments mostly from behind the scenes of like you and I having fun together and it just made me like so warm and fuzzy inside. I saw someone comment saying, "When did you guys have time to float in a pool?" And it was one day that we had between shows and my parents felt bad for us and booked us a hotel that was nice. Yeah. And it had a

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lazy river and had a lazy river. Magical. I'm here for every hotel having a lazy river, right? It should be mandatory. You're banned if you don't have a lazy river. This story has been hard for me to share and is long overdue, but here it goes. My family has an old cabin that has been passed down for three generations now. This cabin sits on a lake just north of Lake Winnapasaki. The land is beautiful. It has the most amazing view of the mountain across the lake. The cabin is the original structure on the property that my father's great aunt purchased and built in the 1950s. And today, it is split through a trust between my father, aunt, and uncle. Growing up, we would go every summer. It felt like glamping, and that's putting it nicely. Mhm. The cabin is fairly small, a two-bedroom, one bath with an open concept living room/d room and adjacent kitchen. The overwhelming smell of mothballs engulfed you as you entered. There was no clean or filtered water. The kitchen did not function.

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There is no telephone or internet. Septic was so old, we had to be careful about how many times we used the bathroom. Oh my goodness. Oh, and the spiders. How could I forget the spiders? This sounds exactly like my Grammyy's camp in Maine. I feel like that is just we slept in tents outside because my mom wouldn't sleep inside. My immediate family has not returned there since 2016. Growing up, my sister and I always felt a presence on the land. We always sensed that we were being watched. It felt like we always had to look around the corner or over our shoulders before moving through the cabin or going into the shed. And the creepiest room in the house was the kids' room. Of course, there was a couch and a bunk bed. And this room connected to an open loft and attic. A direct view from the top monk. My sister and I never directly looked up there and preferred not to sleep on the top bunk because we always felt like something was sitting up there, too, watching us. I slept on the couch because it was on the same side of the room as the loft, so I had no direct path of sight. As we got older, we learned about a lot of death and bad

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things that happened on the property. Our great-grandfather died in that cabin from what we believe was a heart attack. My father's great aunt, the original owner, passed away from old age and my family buried her ashes on the property when I was about 6 years old. It does sound like a peaceful place to die. Like if you're going to die at home on a lake in the trees in the wilderness sounds like a peaceful place to do that. Yeah. Silent cabin. Yeah. While my uncle was staying there with his family, a giant tree branch fell through the ceiling onto the bed that he was sleeping on. Okay. Well, that's not a peaceful way to go. Oh my gosh. And my aunt suffered a brain aneurysm while staying there with her family. Thankfully, she is okay today and has recovered. Oh my. Okay. Yeah, I take back everything I said. Yeah, you spoke a sentence too soon. Seriously. Fast forward to about 4 years ago. My mother and I went to go see a medium and it was an amazing experience. One of the topics that came up was the cabin in New Hampshire and thankfully I recorded to help my memory. She started

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with connecting us to our deceased relatives from both my mom and my dad's side. About halfway through the reading, she stopped her thought completely and asked about the connection we had up north. It was either Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont. We told her, "Oh yeah, we have a cabin in New Hampshire." The medium asked us if we liked it up there. My mom and I responded in unison, "No." My mom went on to say a lot of bad things happened there, and the medium responded, "Yeah, it's almost like it's cursed." My mom and I were in shock because cursed is exactly the word we always used to describe it. We always joked about how it's cursed and when the medium said that word, it finally felt real. The medium continued on saying, "I don't feel like the land or the property that it's on is okay. So, I feel like someone was either murdered or died on that property in a bad way." H my mom stated that my great-grandfather did and from what we think is a heart attack. And the medium replied with, "No, that wasn't it. I'm feeling something else. Really bad circumstances around someone's death. Something's bad about up there. It's not okay. I'm telling you

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that land is cursed and all bad things happen there. It's like all the bad things are happening. And I feel like somebody that died there is controlling what happens there. So, it's almost scary. You can tell the medium was getting anxious and nervous about the cabin. We didn't really know what to say. So, shook was an understatement. It's like even just tapping into that land and that place is creating a negative Yeah. energy around you. So, some added background. My parents really wanted to make the property sustainable for future generations. My dad would design plans for renovations and run the numbers all the time. There was a lot of push back from other siblings about how to update the property and how to actually refurbish the cabin. The cabin was left in a trust that we were told would be able to pay off the property and have enough to put all of us grandkids through college. Well, I'm 26 now and I can tell you that was a lie. The lie wasn't about the money in the trust, but where the money had gone. Oh It breaks my dad's heart to see the disarray of the property and that we're no longer there. It really hurts him even more when his own family makes

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him feel like he's being lied to about the finances and about the property. This property has caused turmoil between all the siblings and is definitely torn the family apart. Oh no. Okay, so now back to the Where did the money go? I don't know. This is I' I've heard this before. Yeah. The medium continued, "That place is just not okay, so you don't go there anymore." And we replied saying, "We haven't been in years." The medium immediately asked, "Who had the stroke there?" My mom and I were shocked. We stated, "My aunt did." Her reply was making me very nervous. She said, "She should have not had a stroke. Something is very bad up there, very unsettled. The people are hanging around and making bad things happen. somebody who owned the property previously, the land, somebody needs to sell it, get rid of it. I don't feel like it was handled properly. I think that the land was not taken care of. Like how your husband's aunt took care of it. The bad things weren't coming from her. It's from whoever owned or has been on the land

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before, the land is not respected. Whatever it is is upset. People roam their own land for hundreds of years, and they'll continue to. And if they don't like something, they can make you physically ill. So this is not a good spirit. Interesting. So it's like the spirit knows that this land is causing such conflict between the family and they're not taking care of it properly. So it's I guess so. Yeah. Enacting some like violence towards them. So everyone there is Yes. Get along or you'll be punished by the spirits. They're telling me to stay away. If I was even in the area, I wouldn't try to sage it. It feels that bad. Everything she told us. There's no hope. No hope. Sell the property. Cut your asses. Give it to someone else. Everything she told us gave us confirmation of how we felt for years. My mom recalled that when I was born, they started bringing me there at 6 months old and I would cry the entire night. Needless to say, we are never stepping foot there again. Stay spooky and see you on the other side, Jessica.

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I'm curious like if anyone from the family has been there since. Not like cuz it's clear Jessica's family hasn't, but it's owned by the siblings as well. So, and it's sad that like her dad feels upset seeing it kind of deteriorate deteriorate, but it also it kind of sounds like it already was. And maybe like it's not even about his siblings and who it was left to, even though that is causing a lot of chaos and turmoil. And maybe hopefully that will in turn result in the cabin just being released. And right, maybe the property is taken over by someone who will move about the space in a way that whatever is there appreciates, wants. Yeah, if there is even an option to do that cuz it kind of also feels like I do feel like you need to start from scratch. Like it needs to be a new owner. This family can't come to an agreement or resolve the issues that the land and the spirits of the land have with them anymore. And so is

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it even owner though or is it just like of anyone being on their land? But if someone came on the land and loved it and honored it Yeah. would the spirits be okay? And I I want to believe Yes. And it just like wasn't ever really. It seems like it wasn't taken care of. Yeah. Ever. What if a pirate comes washed ashore on Lake Winnipegasi with all his treasure his way to another lake? Oh my god. Oh man. Well, I love stories like Oceanboard Mary and also Haunted Cabins because it's like a haunted house story and wild history. Yeah. Plus fabrication. I don't know. There's something about Well, it's like inherently we believe everybody's ghost stories and we seek out like the actual stories that people have encountered in in different places that we research. But part of the beauty of loving horror and thriller and ghost stories is also like the creative spin. We attempt to have not to have not much

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fabrication over here. Yeah. We try to find the truth, but it's part of ghost stories. It's like the lore, the legend, how people build on it. Yeah. It's makes it fun. It's so fun. So fun. So, email us your stories that are true, your true encounters with the paranormal. Email us at two girls podcast@gmail.com. Join us on Patreon if you want episodes at free and one week early plus bonus episodes every month plus campfire stories plus stickers and so much more right over there. Tell everyone to listen. Shout out to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you Jamie. And thank you to all of you. We love you and we will see you on the other side. Very spooky.