Missing Time, Strange Lights & Alien Encounters | The Berkshire UFO Incident (Ep 378)

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So, he went from running in place to just vanish.

Why do I feel like the voice was making him go outside to abduct him?

On September 1st, 1969, they encountered something non-human. They all saw a UFO in the Berkshires.

Very spooky.

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2 days ago? No.

Um Oh my god, I did. [laughter] Something has happened to me.

What?

I So, I like don't drink as often as I used like used to back in college. [laughter]

Shocker. Shocker.

No one should. But, I like just the other day I was like, I just kind of like want something that like post-work I can just like take the edge off. So, I went and bought a bunch of like weed gummies.

Mhm.

And I walked into the store, and the guy like I I don't do this. Like I'm not, you know, that type of person.

How did he know what to order?

Exactly. The guy sees me and he goes, "Are you okay?" And I was like, "I'm just really confused. I don't know what to do." And he's like, "Come on over here. I got you." But, anyway, I took a gummy last night. Or I took half a gummy

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cuz I was like, I don't know how I'm going to do. Didn't feel it, so I took another half. And then, my goodness, I was in the sunken place.

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I was eating Stouffer's mac and cheese.

Oh, yum.

Cookies from Elizabeth that have been in my freezer. So good. But, uh I woke up this morning and I was like, I might still be high, so

Did you watch Did you Are you high right now?

No, it passed. But, it was like that groggy like waking up like that.

Yeah.

Did you watch anything while you were

Mhm.

I feel like you always have good recommendations for like TV and movies. Also, I'm sweating my ass off. I'm going to take my sweatshirt off.

Take it off.

My hormones are raging.

Now, you can see my stains on my shirt, but that's life.

That's life.

My god.

It was a nice nice little evening to myself.

Yeah. That sounds lovely.

It was nice.

How great.

Went to the sunken place.

Went to the sunken place.

I was deep in my couch like, what's the girl from

have a reaction to you when you're

No. No, she's just wants her own food.

Oh.

And it's not like I smoked, you know? Like I don't smell different or

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anything, but I was like, who's the lady who did the couch big red couch and then like

Oh my gosh.

eggs. I felt like her stuck in it. Like the [laughter] the little lint things that come to life that live in her couch.

Didn't we just look up

Like a year ago, but yeah.

Okay, no, more recently. Like within the past like 6 weeks I was watching the intro to

Oh, you watched the intro?

Yeah.

The like theme song and then her little cloth things.

is because when your parents were here, we were talking about how Miss Rachel kind of has that vibe. Is that when we looked it up?

And I didn't watch it with you, but I think that's what we were saying.

I was like, I definitely looked at it for like a good 30 seconds.

Anyway, that's our update.

are.

And then, now we have ghost stories for you.

Yeah. Well, maybe not a ghost story this week. Something a little different.

a UFO in the Berkshires

What is it?

Because when I was ill, which I've been sick for like a month.

[laughter]

Is pregnancy kind of a sickness? It's like a mutation. I have a condition.

[laughter]

It's a child growing inside of you.

No, but it was like half my family members went down with the flu. It was brutal. Anyway, rough month.

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Spent a lot of time in bed. And when I was in bed, I logged into Netflix as people do. I was like, "Oh, what's a show that feels good to watch and that I haven't seen in a in a while?" And that is when I clicked on Unsolved Mysteries.

The best.

I can rewatch Unsolved Mysteries infinite amount of times and still kind of constantly forget what

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That and like friend of files.

Yeah, and it feels [clears throat] like you're watching it for the first time again and you're like, "Wow." Cuz it's just everything is so mind-blowing.

So good.

Anyway, so it was the new Unsolved Mysteries cuz obviously there was the one that aired on cable, but then there's the special that's like on Netflix where I think there's a few different volumes, a few episodes per volume. So,

What did you spill on your pants?

Um I think that this is dirt that didn't come out.

Oh, okay. Okay.

And then on my shirt, strawberries from Noah.

The shirt's not as visible to me from this angle.

I think that's my own maple syrup.

[laughter]

No, most of my clothes have to go in the trash cuz I just

Yeah, they become a bib.

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They literally are. Okay, so maybe aliens will think we're disgusting if they come down here.

not. I hope they love me.

They certainly have come to see some of us. One day, Sabrina, too.

Maybe.

We'll manifest. Okay, but volume 1 episode 5 was called Berkshire's UFO. And I was like, "Wait a second. I don't remember hearing about this. We live so close to the Berkshires."

We do.

In Massachusetts. We can drive there in like an hour and a half. And this was based on documented accounts of the September 1st, 1969 UFO incident in Berkshire County, Massachusetts.

Is this around the time as Betty and Barney Hill? Like I think it happened in the '60s.

Yes. I did look this up originally and then I didn't write it down.

Like what was happening in the '60s that aliens were like, "We got to go check Earth out."

Betty and Barney Hill, the 61. What's happening in the 60s that aliens are like, "What's up, Earth?"

I don't I don't know. And I guess New England, but really it was everywhere. Yeah.

everywhere.

So, it's Labor Day weekend, 1969 in Western Massachusetts.

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The Berkshire Hills are a postcard. They're a covered bridges, glittering Housatonic River,

[laughter]

farmlands, fireflies, Appalachian Mountains.

What is the river?

The Housatonic.

Housatonic. I love that that's on that list.

Yeah.

Well, I wanted to put some challenging words in here from Massachusetts geography, and I'm semi-confident that I'm going to say them all correctly from just hearing them enough.

Yeah.

Um this is also where they have the dinosaur footprints, which along the Connecticut River, that goes through Massachusetts in Western Massachusetts, you can go and walk on the rock bed that has actual dinosaur prints in the rock bed. I've talked about them so many times and said it's been on my bucket list, and I still haven't gone there.

Yeah.

And they just let you. Like, you can touch the dinosaur footprints.

So cool.

Anyway, it's a beautiful area. Like, in the fall people go leaf peeping here. It's very historic. It's just like so lovely. And most people, I think, live out there full-time, but like people do like summer homes and a lot of people

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will try to like summer and do vacations out there. Um especially cuz the summer's so beautiful. A lot of tourists, but great warm days,

Eating ice cream.

You get to stay outside, picnics on the freshly cut grass. And that is the time period that we're in cuz it's Labor Day weekend. So, people are resting under the shaded trees, just enjoying the last of the summer. I feel like we can put in Noah Kahan's new uh Great Divide end of August.

Yeah, just listen to the crickets. The first 3 seconds of that song, and that is what people are feeling. But then something happens. Something that 50 years later, no one can explain. Something that changes their lives so completely that some of them won't even speak about it for decades. And when they finally do, they find out that they are not alone. A lot of other people saw the same thing. Multiple witnesses, multiple locations across dozens of miles, the very same night, the same object, in a county with no air base, no military

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facility, no explanation, there was a UFO in the Berkshires.

Hell, yeah.

In another life,

I'm a UFO chaser. Like a storm chaser, but a UFO chaser. And I The second there's a report, I get in my van, which is like equipped mix of Scooby-Doo van and the Stranger Things van.

We could have done [laughter] that.

And I'm on route.

Why are we doing this? I would have done that with you. That sounds so cool. Too late for me now, unfortunately. [laughter]

You can make a make your kids be storm chasers with us, UFO chasers.

Yeah, I I home school them so that we could just [laughter] chase UFOs all day.

It reminds me of that family we talked about, the balloon boy hoax.

Oh, yeah.

On Crimes of where

Wife Swap.

They literally had their kids sleep in their in their normal clothes in case they had to like in the middle of the night pack up to go storm chasing.

What a What a different life.

Yeah.

I'm still so curious I think we said it on that episode, but I'm still so curious what those kids like now, what

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their perspective is on their childhood. Cuz sometimes it could be like, "Oh my god, I had the most amazing childhood." And then other times, certain kids could be like, "That was really disorienting."

Well, I will say that there was a lot of toxicity in that family. So,

Yeah.

Yeah. Hope it wasn't passed down.

If you're curious what we're talking about, go check out the Crimes of episode about that hoax. Sorry, I wrote so much about Western Massachusetts.

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You You were really

Population The different things on my bucket list. We can skip over all of this.

to know what else is on your bucket list.

Well, it was just it was just about like going to some of the covered bridges and the different forests that haven't changed over hundreds of years. I was like listing off different towns that have really low population. It's fine, guys. It's fine.

I want to know.

Top dinosaur prints.

Okay. But what other places should I go?

Well, I also want to go to Amherst.

Yeah.

Just because I feel like Amherst is said to have really beautiful leaf peeping.

Okay.

In the Amherst area, there are also I didn't write them down, but there are a few really good thrift stores.

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Ooh. Love.

There's such good vintage furniture stores out there,

there, too.

Antiquing is just another level.

Yeah. Well, I won't read you all of my things. The last sentence of my spiel was, "Anyway, this isn't about dinosaurs."

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So, in 1969, these towns, which were really like the Sheffield, Great Barrington, Stockbridge, Egremont, that one I probably said wrong, which have low populations, like in the in the low thousands, these towns are even quieter at this time. The Vietnam War was raging, and 2 months earlier in July, Neil Armstrong had walked on the moon, which is very timely given the Artemis 2 trip that just happened. People think about space, right? And in 1969, space was everywhere. It was like part of the cultural consciousness. Everyone was talking about it. Space Wars, Star Trek had been on TV for 3 years. This is like when people are getting really super into these things. Apollo missions in every newspaper, Americans are thinking about this. So,

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some people are like, "Could that be in the subconscious

Mhm.

of those who witnessed what is to come?" But I say, "Absolutely not."

Or are the aliens like, "Why are they showing so much interest in our space?"

Mhm.

Now we need to go check them out. That actually makes so much sense cuz like we're sending men to walk on the moon, and aliens are like, "Wait, wait, wait. We didn't know that they were doing this."

Yeah.

They can't know what's up. We need to know what they know.

Let's Let's go to Western Massachusetts [laughter] and spy on them a little bit.

look at the leaves.

the first encounter

So, this is the context that we're in. So, it's September 1st, 1969, Labor Day, and something appeared in the sky over the Berkshires that no one could explain. And I will say upfront that there are no police reports from that night. There are no newspaper accounts. The local radio station WSBS in Great Barrington received a flood of calls from Pittsfield to Canaan, Connecticut. So, basically it was like this huge region in New England that they were getting flooded with calls. But, at the

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time it was just a normal thing to not save the tapes. So, it was like the next night or like two nights later when they needed to like re-record over all of those calls were erased.

Oh, so sad.

Yeah, that was the standard practice.

someone's like great grandpa or like grandpa was recording all of the radio channels that were playing and

Yeah, someone's got to do it.

a cassette tape in someone's basement. [laughter]

There's like some 8-year-old being like, "I got to get that Cyndi Lauper song." She's recording it. Oh, man, there's got to be something. But, this is also the era where people are like accidentally recording over their own like wedding videos and stuff. People were not record-keeping very well when it comes to just like the public. So, with the reports that were happening at the time, these witness accounts were very powerful and very specific, but they also weren't widely published. So, there was no public record about it until decades later. So, even though certain people like the radio host is hearing

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all this stuff and this thing like, "Oh my gosh, these accounts are corroborating each other. Something's happening. Like, I need to go." He actually went and went to the police station to be like, "Something's going on."

Yeah.

Nothing was publicly released. And so, a lot of people who were calling had no clue that what they experienced and called in a panic to say like, "What's going on?" was also witnessed by a ton of other people.

Right.

So, they felt like they were alone.

Yeah.

For decades people have very isolated in their experiences.

Damn.

And in Unsolved Mysteries, one of the great things about the show is that they interview the witnesses, so you actually get to see these people who are now far into adulthood

[laughter]

talk about what happened themselves.

the Reed family

Okay, so we're going to start with the Reed family who was the family that is kind of the most prominent voice in this story. They're the most vocal. So, Nancy Reed, she was a single mother who had moved her family from Queens, New York to Sheffield, Massachusetts. And she had recently acquired a restaurant called The Village Green. And this was a local I picture the square in

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Pretty Little Liars, which is also

Gilmore Girls.

Gilmore Girls. Like, yeah, it gets to reused in a bunch of different but like that is kind of the vibe that I feel because this is gathering place right in the middle of town. And she moved there with her two sons, Thomas who went by Tom, t h o m.

Okay.

Interesting spelling. He was nine at the time and then his younger brother, Matthew, who went by Matt.

I also think t h o m actually makes more sense because Thomas is spelled

t

Yeah.

Tom's grandmother was also living with the family at the time, so it was Nancy, her two sons, and her mother.

Yep.

On the evening of September 1st, already Labor Day weekend, all four of them, Nancy, Tom, Matt, and their grandmother, were driving home from the restaurant after Tom's horse show. He like went showed some horses. They're like, "Great, let's go eat." But it's kind of late at night, so I think it was like 9:00 p.m. or something when they went to go basically like open up her restaurant to be able to have a bite before they head home and celebrate Tom's horse show.

Yeah.

So, they're heading south on Route 7,

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crossing the area near the old Sheffield covered bridge, which I included a historic photo for you, Serena,

Ah, love a covered bridge.

other people

So pretty.

if you're watching on YouTube. This is one of the oldest covered bridges in the United States. It's beautiful, kind of haunting, and it's crossing the Housatonic River. So, Tom Reed is in the documentary as well. So, his mom, Nancy, but also Tom. They both speak about that night. And this is like 50 years later that they're both recalling what happened to them.

Yeah.

He said he was in the backseat handing his brother a piece of candy. It was one of those like fireball, like jawbreaker type things. And his grandma is in the front seat with his mom. I think his mom was driving. His mom was definitely driving actually because his grandma did not drive at that point. She hadn't been driving for years. His grandma whips around and and starts like reprimanding him like, "Hey, don't give that to your brother. He could choke. That's a dangerous piece of candy. He's too young." And as she's saying that, she notices lights rising above the Housatonic River that they had just passed or like

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or like going over the bridge as she's turned around saying this. And she's like sees over the water some lights. And the car starts to fall silent in a very strange way. And the pressure starts to change. And the air itself has shifted. They said it's almost like they're underwater in a way. And then there's this light ball glowing and hovering. It rose and fired these rods of light down below. And so everyone's staring except for Matt, the youngest in the car. Instead of staring at these lights, he looks out the window to the right and sees this rolling red orb.

What?

So, then Nancy, the mom, she pulls over. Everyone is looking and then the light through the trees along the road reveal a disc-shaped object hovering. The UFO was so big, they were like, "It has to have been at least 100 yd wide."

Why is that such a common Like I feel like that's how people often explain it. 100 yd wide.

100 yd wide.

It's like a football field.

Yeah, yeah.

And that is when the light that had been

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beamed down onto the ground suddenly shifted and went to the car. So, now they're like being blinded by this light.

It's like I see you seeing us.

Mhm. Tom describes it as am like the color amber being on both sides of the road. And it didn't feel like it was a spotlight. It felt like light was just everywhere.

Well, isn't there like a whole theory that like I don't know if I made this up or

[laughter]

I read it somewhere that they're using light as an energy source?

Oh, yeah, I do remember that. Was that you or was that?

I don't know.

We regurgitate so many things we hear online.

Yeah, that I like [laughter] that I just like what am I brilliant and smart or is that like a stupid thing that I made up? I don't know.

Okay, so this is what's happening. There's like it feels like there's not a spotlight. It's just literally light everywhere. It's like they're in this like white room and then a gap in memory.

All of them?

Yeah. The next thing he remembers is being inside of something. It's vast. It's like a hangar-like space. Like if you think of like a airport

Mhm.

like airplane hangar. And he described the interior as enormous, being bigger

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than a football field. Then there's this hallway, which is circular and it's configured in the sort of like Y shape. Kind of hard to picture. There's fluorescent-looking lighting everywhere. And the room that had the curved wall also had technology unlike anything he'd ever seen before or again. So, he has no idea like what these machines or like things were that he was witnessing. And so, he sees that and then poof, he's back in the car. The light is gone. The frogs and crickets erupt with life. Like his mom was in the Unsolved Mysteries episode and she was saying something about like how crazy it was to just go from like complete silence to just like all the bugs suddenly was like they were being held back from making any noise or JUST LIKE

WELL, that's also like a such a question that I have about alien encounters. Is it that they were like all the critters and creatures and animals and like wind and birds are being like prevented from making noise or is the presence of this thing or like whatever energy they're using putting you into like a bubble

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where there's the absence of sound?

Yeah. Yeah, and is it just like were the crickets always happening or just your perception too from going from hearing nothing and being in a vacuum

Right.

to [clears throat] hearing them again? Yeah. It can be very disorienting. And so basically like all of them had had this lost time. Tom is the only one that remembers anything from this lost time. They're back in the car, but oh I don't I didn't write this down. So I'm going to go off my memory. They're back in the car. 3 hours of time had passed. When they had

3 hours.

first seen the lights, they were going over the covered bridge. Or I guess in the covered bridge.

Yeah.

And then when they came to, they were in front of the drug store. So a completely different location. And

How far is that from the bridge?

God, I don't know.

Probably not far.

Probably not far.

But still they had moved locations.

They'd moved locations and the grandmother was in the driver seat and Nancy was in the passenger seat.

Oh that part gave me chills. That's why you were like grandma hasn't driven and

Oh my god. She had not driven and so that's when they were like, oh my god. Like you can't even make up an excuse

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for like why no one remembers anything. Like this is clearly wrong. Oh I have huge goosebumps right now.

Oh my god, they really need a consistency coordinator on their ship.

They do. Like pay attention to the details, man.

write down who's in what seat. Like that is the simplest thing you could have done.

Yeah, you drop them wherever, but like at least put them back in the right seat.

They need to keep playing some more memory games.

They do.

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Okay, but here's what's interesting. This actually wasn't the first encounter for the Reed family.

[laughter]

Okay, how do I become adopted by the Reed family?

So according to the family's account, either 1966 or 1967, so like

3 or 4 years prior

the boys, the two boys reported experiencing doors in the house slamming and then after hearing that, they woke up in the driveway. And then lost time again and then found themselves back inside. So they were like losing time and like glitching in this like weird situation that they told their parents about, but it was

They both woke up in the driveway.

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Mhm.

Momentarily and then were back inside.

Yeah. So that was a weird thing that happened to these kids. Then, they're with their mom and grandma having another thing like this happen in 1969.

Jeez.

So, this one was the most dramatic and unfortunately, a lot of people don't believe children when they experience something like this, but like this time there were two adults who could corroborate what happened.

Yeah.

Later on, Tom Reed agreed to take a polygraph examination about his account, and he passed, which it's worth saying that polygraph tests have very little validity to them. They're not admissible in court.

Not anymore.

Not anymore. But, his truthfulness rated at like 99.1% or something like that.

Okay.

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another witness

Okay. So, same day, September 1st, 1969, a few miles away from the Sheffield Covered Bridge, where Tom's family is

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experiencing this. In Great Barrington, there is a boy named Tom Warner, and we're going to call him Tommy because there's Tom and Tom. So, this one's Tommy. So, Tommy's visiting a friend's house, and he goes over and plays at his friend's house all the time. Um he's around 10 years old, and he was inside coloring. I think he was coloring with his friend's older sister, which I think it was like normal for him to just like be in the house and kind of hang out with whatever kid was around. So, he's inside coloring when suddenly he just kind of gets the information, like a voice in his head telling him that he needs to go home. He described the voice

Tommy, it's time to go home.

Literally. He said, "You have to go home now." is like the direct message that was put in his head.

Damn.

So, he told his friend's older sister, Debbie, that he thought like maybe God was calling him through the clouds. He was kind of panicked, and he was uncertain cuz he'd never experienced anything like that, but he was spooked enough that he was like, "I got to go." He runs out of the house. Debbie's like, "This is weird." So, she watches him

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through the window as he's running out through the yard. The moment he gets outside, all sound cuts out. It's complete silence. He said it felt like he was running, but he wasn't moving.

Why do I feel like this is like the voice was making him go outside to abduct him?

So, we don't trust the in- inside voice.

Right. So, he feels like he's Scooby-Doo running. Like he's so panicked, he like can't even get anywhere. That's his feeling. Debbie is also interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries. She's like, "No, he didn't just feel that way. He literally wasn't moving. He was running in place and didn't move an inch forward." She said it happened for minutes. She was inside watching in shock for minutes watching him just run in place, confused about what's going on. And then,

My god.

Tommy looks up. He said his hands jerked back, which like when he was describing it was kind of like in the Weapons movie where the kids would all run with their hands behind them, and got the air sucked out of him. Not knocked out of him, like sucked out of him. Then there was a beam of light that came down on him, and Debbie's still

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watching, right? There's a witness inside.

She's watching from the safety of the window, or I guess like the the perceived safety. And she says that she just saw, in an instant, Tommy disappear. So, he went from running in place to just vanish.

Okay, so that negates my question of is this happening astrally? Like, no, he's physically being taken.

Physically physically disappearing.

Abducted.

Then a few minutes later, he's back on the lawn. He's looking up at the sky cuz he's just like laying there as this object moves away from him. He remembers being inside of this craft. It had a circular, so it's going to be very similar to Tom Reed's testimony about what he saw. It had a circular silvery bronze interior, and he remembers actually encountering a female alien who communicated with him telepathically. He said he also heard children screaming, like in fear screaming.

Well, I mean, if this spacecraft is abducting so many people all at one time

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like it's all children, too, so far cuz we have Tom and Tommy. Um and then he said that he saw another child. So, he's hearing a bunch of kids screaming. He's looking around this like circular curved ship. And he actually lays eyes on a little girl who doesn't see him, but she's crouched in the corner and she looks terrified.

gosh. Oh, she's crouched in the corner?

Yes.

I'm looking up when Travis Walton UFO incident happened. 1975. Cuz it does sound really similar to like the way that these witnesses or like victims are describing their experience.

Right. I know, it's so strange.

I'm looking for patterns. I mean, there are plenty.

Yeah.

And then sometimes when there aren't, it's like, well, the excuse is is there one alien race coming to visit us? Or could it be like we have no idea.

Or are they doing different studies? They're doing different studies.

Yeah. So, Tom remembers seeing this girl.

Mhm.

And he wouldn't know who this girl was for decades. But one day he will find out. Little teaser. Tom sees this in the ship and then boom, he's back on the ground. He's laying there looking up as

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the ship is about to take off. There's a beam still on him before the ship takes off. So he's laying there looking up at the spacecraft, a beam is on him, his brother is now here coming to collect him. I think they must have been like neighbors or something.

Yeah.

And he's yelling at him, yelling at him to run. But Tommy can't

all seeing this?

They're all seeing it. Tommy cannot get up and run because the beam has paralyzed him. He's completely still, he can't do literally anything while the beam is on him. And just like a voice had told him to go outside, that same voice comes and says, "Hold on, I'll be done in a minute."

Oh my god, no, I hate that so much. Who is again?

Then a minute later, the beam and the ship vanish and Tommy gets regains control of his limbs.

Done with what?

I don't know. I'll be done in a minute. Gross.

the girl at the lake

Yeah.

Also, on the evening of September 1st, 1969, 14-year-old Melanie Kirschdorfer was at Lake Mansfield in Great

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Barrington with her parents and younger sister. And they'd gone to go get ice cream at Dairy Queen. Apparently, I think they were saying like they didn't want to go get ice cream or something. Like the kids like didn't want to go, but like maybe were forced. I don't know. Whatever. I you can't

Honestly, fair. Sometimes as a parent you're like using the kids as a reason to go get ice cream and it's like

No, I want to get the ice cream.

like you are being so testy at home. [laughter] We're leaving this house. Even if you say no, we're still going to get ice cream. We got to change our setting.

So yeah, they'd gone to go get ice cream at the Dairy Queen. It's otherwise an ordinary evening for them.

Mhm.

As her father pulls the car into the lake's parking area for them to just like sit and eat their ice cream, there is a blinding light that engulfs them. Her dad says, "Holy [ __ ] we've got to chase this."

What?

And everyone in the car begins to panic. And Melanie is like, "I was begging my father not to chase it. Like, please, please don't chase this thing. I'm so scared." They're all freaking out except

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for her dad who's like in the moment thinking this is the coolest thing ever. I don't chase chase her energy.

He's welcome to our team.

Yeah, he ignores his whole family's pleading with him to stop. And he instead drives towards it. Her sister remembered nothing about what happened next. But Melanie remembers levitating and then suddenly being on a ship. She recalls being laid out flat inside of this craft. She was in a room with other children and then one by one the children began to disappear. And I only have the information that was shared in a few different articles that I looked at plus the watching Unsolved Mysteries episode. So, I don't know what she means when she says disappeared. Like, if they just like poofed or if they were being collected by aliens and brought into another room for something. But she said she witnessed this and then she woke up alone by the lake. Her family was gone. No evidence of them being anywhere. And she had to walk in the dark of night all the way home.

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Okay, here's my question. Was there another child who has memory of being by that lake and then like vanishing and then they showed up like where Melanie's family was? Like

Oh.

They're like They put them back wrong.

It's a blonde girl blonde haired girl with blue eyes. Like

Wait, wow, you got that right. She was a

[laughter]

I figured New England. I don't know.

White people, man. So many of them. But yeah, so Melanie had no reason to fabricate any of this, right? And she's very explicit in the documentary saying she does not think that this was a fun or positive experience. This wasn't like oh my god, how cool I experienced this crazy thing. Her parents and her sister remember nothing.

They They even remember like coming to and their daughter's gone?

Nope. She can't stop talking about what happened because she's traumatized, right?

Yeah.

Her family's response to this, to helping their child who is experiencing extreme fear, is to be so annoyed that they lock her into the basement at one point and say like if you don't stop talking about this, like you're not coming out. And they lock her in the

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basement. So, double trauma.

Parenting.

Woo. So, all this say, some families experience this with their kids. Some families believe their kids. Some families did not believe their kids. Some punish them for quote unquote lying. But, the common thread

Mhm.

is basically don't talk about what happened because this is so creepy and so scary and so unexplainable that we're terrified.

Mhm.

And if you talk about it, we don't know what will happen. So, just be quiet.

And sometimes, especially like this family who if they have no memory, or maybe they have like an inkling of a memory, but it's so like implausible or they're so incapable of processing it that they're like it's just better to not talk about it.

Yeah.

I'm thinking about you.

[laughter]

Well, I'm also thinking about me, but I'm specifically instead of probably things you're thinking about me before, I'm thinking about when I saw the UFO and I was scared to even like text my family because I was like what if they know that I'm speaking about them and then they come for me.

Yeah.

No, it's my 2% Irish about to bottle everything up.

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[laughter]

And then the gas is inside expand and expand.

And then No Con drops new album and then

you leak.

I leak.

[laughter]

And I listen to it until I become a 1% top listener. And then I'm healed.

That's how that [laughter] works. No Con is your medicine.

Literally. Uh, sad music. Okay. So, Melanie, she does not talk about it again for years. She's got a plenty of reason not to.

Sure.

But, her body is literally like wearing the score of what happened. She the second she basically returns, her health takes a turn. She develops chronic sinus problems, persistent ringing in her ears. She has vision issues that began that very night. And she also says that and this is so interesting cuz it reminds me so much of the case that you covered where those three girls or women went out for one of their birthdays and they got abducted. She involuntarily messes with electronic equipment. Like electronics around her will malfunction.

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So she's got health problems and she's affecting electronics, which is

One of the three women had that same problem. But it was interesting cuz they all each had different I think it was like Louise Smith and I'm blanking on the other names. But yeah, they all had different things which makes you wonder like were they experimenting different things on each person?

Probably.

Crazy.

They have to be. Cuz how how else is this happening? So this is happening in 1969. September 1st, 1969. All this happens in this one day period.

Right.

It is not until 2018 when Netflix producers arrived in the Berkshires to begin filming what would become this Unsolved Mysteries reboot and Melanie and Tom Warner, Tommy, meet for the first time at the grocery store. They're aware that they're both on the show. They start to talk about their experiences. I think they're like chatting and communicating over Facebook after they meet. Two people who did not know each other prior, who'd lived decades within miles of each other.

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Melanie does not remember seeing Tom, Tommy, inside the craft. But Tommy remembers seeing her.

That is the girl.

as soon as he saw her that this was the girl that was crouched in the corner terrified. He described the expression to her on her face of like what he saw. And she was like, "Oh my god, that totally matches exactly what I remember of like where I was, what I was feeling, everything."

I just also so scary that both of them describe seeing so many other kids or hearing so many other kids screaming cuz it's like the just number of people who are living today that don't even know or have like repressed memories that they were abducted.

Yeah. It's like one of my friends, which actually maybe she emailed us about this and I probably read it. But one of our friends whose name I won't say just in case we haven't outed [laughter] her. For for for a few years she was like telling me about these really creepy dreams that she was having and then she started to be like, "Wait, are these dreams or am I getting abducted?" Cuz they started to really match some like

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public abduction cases that were being told.

Or is she a psychic and like tapping into other people's experiences and consciousness?

But she was like basically seeing [laughter and gasps] the grays like that.

Ew.

Typical kind of gray alien.

I am curious about this though because like obviously like publicly people aren't talking about this but people must have been talking about it enough for the Unsolved Mysteries producers to know about it to go there and record and film.

So Tom Reed.

Mhm.

He was pretty vocal about the experience. So it started with his experiences. So I think he's the one that got in communication with Unsolved Mysteries and that's when they came and started to investigate asking around if anyone had experienced anything. So he was the one who'd experienced glitches and like weirdness with his boat before, had this thing happen and then they continued both boys continued to have weird alien encounters throughout their life.

They were marked.

Yeah. So he was more vocal. Everyone else was like

Okay.

That's how Unsolved Mysteries uh found it. They found it. Okay. Also in the documentary, I keep calling it a

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documentary. It's a docu-series.

Yeah. Yeah.

Also in the episode was Jane Green and she is kind of like a

encounter on the highway

stand-alone in this episode because she so far everyone who's being interviewed is either a child who's grown up or experienced something with a child who was abducted. But Jane Green was an adult when she experienced what she experienced. And she grew up in Great Barrington. Her family founded the first Rexall drugstore in the Northeast. She was a pillar of the community, very respected. Her family's word and their name carried a lot of weight.

Mhm.

On September 1st, 1969, Jane was driving with a friend along Route 7 from Stockbridge towards Great Barrington. It's starting to get dark. Ahead of them on the horizon, a bunch of bright lights. And they are assuming that the lights are from police cars. They're like, "Oh no, [clears throat] there's been an accident." They're like slowing down. They pull over. Another car pulls over, too. The lights are getting really bright, like hard to see. And so Jane

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gets out of the car and looks up. And when she looks up, she realizes that above them is this massive object floating right in front of them. So bright, but there's no sound. No windows, no engine, nothing that she could see or hear, but it's so massive that she said she literally couldn't see where it ended to the right or left when she looked up. It was like took up the whole sky.

And there are other cars pulled over by her?

There's one more car that was pulled over.

Are there kids in that car?

I don't know, probably.

Yeah. She probably witnessed a an abduction. Yeah.

She said she watched the object kind of just like hang there and then within a couple seconds, it just darted up into the sky and across the mountains. Like in a matter of a couple seconds. Gone in an instant. And she told I love that she was telling the interviewers, she was like, "I will never forget this. Like I can have Alzheimer's, I will not forget this."

Like that's how

Yes. It is

ingrained in her mind.

thing that will be forever stained in her memory.

Jeez.

So Jane Green, she said that she was very relieved to learn that others had

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seen the same things as she did because for years she feared no one would believe her. So she didn't really tell anyone. She said that when the Navy actually began declassifying UFO footage in the like 2010s, I think we talked about it when it happened on our podcast. That is when she was like, "Oh my gosh, well I feel more validated if if the US Navy is saying that this happened, like maybe people won't think that I am batshit crazy if I say something.

So, yeah, she hadn't said anything for like 50 years.

That's crazy.

Okay, and then

I would have gotten out of my car and like gone to the car behind me and been like, "What the hell was that?"

Yeah, hello? Are you okay? No one's in the car cuz they've all been

Cuz they've all been abducted or they're all like kind of like Tommy who was just like running in place but their eyes are just open. They're like frozen.

Yeah, I hate what happened to Tommy. Tommy's the worst cuz it's like other people see it.

See it.

Don't have the gap in memory, like actually saw what happened. So, you get

So scary.

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the radio station and the missing records

Okay, and then the frustrating thing about the case, which I already mentioned, which was basically that there was a volume of reports that night that was so significant all into the radio station WSBS

Mhm.

flooded with calls. David I see Izzy. I probably am saying that incorrectly.

David I see is he the radio station host cuz that's a radio station name.

[laughter]

Uh David I see

Yeah.

for WSCS

Yeah.

or BS or whatever.

I think he was and he was also the general manager there. So people were calling in but they weren't saying like hey we're seeing a UFO.

Right.

They didn't frame it that way. They were like hey it's something bizarre is happening and we don't know what's going on but there's something in the sky. There's some sort of like airplane or like something weird is happening.

Mhm.

And calls are coming from across the region. Like all the way down Connecticut, Massachusetts, like

Jeez.

all over. And yet there is nothing in the newspaper. So Gary La Laville, I'm

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butchering the last names. I'm not butchering the Massachusetts pronunciation of these towns I don't think. He's a Berkshire historian who looked into the case later and he was like okay well why are there zero newspaper reports about this UFO from September 1969? And then there's just like the talk about how many reports came through the radio station but not actually evidence of the calls.

Sure.

So he tracked down the former editor who told him that yeah, he'd heard about the sightings but he thought that it was a hoax. So he just didn't run the story. Simple as that. That's why there's nothing in the newspaper.

Which I appreciate that you know journalism being like let's not spread false information or

is a rumor.

Yeah. But even today like there's so many people who don't believe in aliens even though the government is declassifying things and like saying yes there are unidentified flying objects or UI whatever they called like UAP

aerial phenomena. Unidentified aerial phenomena. UAP.

There are plenty of people who are like haha yeah right.

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Right.

Still today.

Okay but so yes. That's why there's no newspaper report. We know the radio station had just wiped over like re-recorded over all of the tapes which was standard procedure. There's no like nefarious cover up happening here. But, the radio station that the guy did go to the police cuz he was like, "I'm getting so many calls that there's something strange happening." And the police, a Sheffield officer, was actually dispatched to go look for the object, but presumably didn't find anything, which is why there's no like official report.

Report?

Yeah.

So, that is why there's nothing. But, it's just a boatload of witnesses, all who had no idea anyone else was experiencing anything with no physical evidence to prove what happened to them.

Mhm.

We do know that the military was asked and confirmed that there was no aircraft belonging to them in this area that weekend.

Okay. So, that's ruled out.

That's ruled out. This is a Supposedly, the military also confirmed that the radar equipment had picked up some

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strange activity in the area.

Interesting. So, something was in the sky. But, then those records disappeared. So, that one could be like a a rumor.

Sure. Yeah.

So, for decades, this incident existed in a way that a lot of UFO stories do, known locally, believed privately, talked about in hushed voices, or just never talked about at all. But, then in 2015, something extraordinary happened. The Great Barrington Historical Society voted on whether or not to recognize September 1st, 1969 as historically significant.

Yeah, they should.

Yes. The vote was six to three, so they said yes.

Let me talk to the society.

Right.

Let me show you Let me show you something. It's my fist.

I'm going to pick you up before I put you down again.

[laughter]

Um so, I think this came basically from like the Reed family. Like I was saying, Tom Reed has been vocal over the years, while a lot of other people never spoke about it.

Yeah.

The incident was starting to become a little bit more mainstream just because of his work with basically like discussing UFO incidents

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and and what happened that day.

Wow.

The story of the Reed family was formally inducted into the society's archives, and it was treated as a factual piece of the region's history and it made front page news in the Boston Globe. Hell yeah. Around the same time, a group of witnesses pooled money to erect a monument. A 5,000 lb granite slab on the banks of the Housatonic River in Sheffield near where the Reed family car had stopped that night.

What does it look like? What's the monument?

It's like a

Oh, it's like a plaque that says what happened?

Yeah.

It's not like a UFO.

[laughter]

No. The plaque is signed by Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker. At the time, he's not a governor anymore.

It's so funny. Like I think about the random ass things that mayors have to do.

Yeah.

Sign a plaque.

Sign a plaque about an alien abduction [laughter] happening on a covered bridge in Western Massachusetts. Um he later said through a spokesperson that his signature had been affixed in error after persistent requests from Tom Reed's camp. So, he's going back on it being like, "No, I didn't sign that."

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They forged it?

Apparently.

Hm.

But everyone's like, "Okay, who cares? Whatever."

It's legit.

2019, the town determined that the monument had been placed on town property without proper authorization and they removed it.

That's so petty.

And it's also like, is that where you want to spend your time and money on?

lb

Like if anything, is this not going to attract more tourists to come and give your small local businesses drink your coffee, eat your sandwiches, buy your postcards because they're coming to see this plaque. Like leave it.

Where's the plaque now? Where do you move a 5,000 lb monument?

Where is

[laughter]

it? Where is it?

In the basement of city hall?

It's somewhere. It's in Charlie Baker's basement.

[laughter]

The Great Barrington Historical Society also quietly walked back their support of what happened.

Why?

They said they had been a bit too focused on one individual, which people are thinking is in reference to Tom Reed.

a smear campaign.

But literally, like who is are they aliens buying you off? Like what is

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happening here? So, [snorts] yeah, they got all of this recognition that what they experienced was real and corroborated and part of local history and then like within a couple years they're like, "Never mind."

it back.

Yep. But for those who experienced it, it was very real and worth talking about.

Mhm.

Tom Reed has dedicated a significant portion of his adult life to documenting, advocating for, and fighting to legitimize his family's experiences.

Yeah.

He founded a nonprofit. He pushed for the monument. He appeared on Ancient Aliens, Alien Mysteries, which are uh Discovery Channel shows, and then the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. Now, of course, there are plenty of people out there who are like, "This is a hoax."

[laughter]

That's all we have to say to that.

Yeah.

It's like, "How is it a hoax? How can you make people who've never talked about it for decades, who don't even know each other?"

I just like don't even want to give that type of person the time of day. Like, you're not worth You're not worthy of my time.

Yeah, well, I feel the same way. Look at what I wrote. I don't want [laughter] to wear

Blah, blah, blah.

Blah, blah, blah.

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I just pulled it up. It's like, "There's skeptics. Blah, blah, blah." We don't need to go into that.

[laughter]

What we do know is that there are things that happened in the Berkshires that cannot be explained.

Mhm.

We can't tell you what it is or why, but we can tell you that whatever happened on September 1st, 1969 had a real cost to the human beings involved.

Yeah.

Melanie Kirschner her was locked in a basement by her family. She had to deal with decades of physical consequences and medical pain from that night.

That's wild.

Nancy Reed, Tom's mother, was openly mocked, humiliated, tormented in her restaurant in front of her children. There was actually a point where someone came in and was like, "Oh, do you want to see something out of this world?" and like exposed their penis to her. Like, disgusting. And then her kids were starting to be experiencing some of the same

Oh, that's so sad. [clears throat]

And so, she was like, "This town isn't for us anymore." So, it actually got to the point where she sold the diner and they left town because she was like, "I don't want to be like bullied and mocked." And it's

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like one thing for me to be, but like for my kids to be, too. So, yeah, they left.

People suck.

They do. And then her they left, but her kids still had alien encounters throughout their lives.

Jeez.

Tommy Warner dealt with not being believed, and he has always loved art. You know, he was inside before the abduction coloring.

Yeah.

And he turned to art and basically like started to paint what he was experiencing and paint what he saw to make him feel better. And he did paint which you can see in the YouTube episode a depiction of him just getting like beamed up by a UFO. Painted what he saw, and that also appears in the Unsolved Mysteries episode. Jean Green hid her experience for years until the US Navy admitted to seeing strange UFOs. She felt very uncomfortable with the idea of the extreme ridicule that comes with experiencing something unidentified. Like I don't I don't even know what to call it.

Right.

Something unknown.

Yeah.

And all these people are not people who

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are seeking fame. These are not people who are trying to create some giant hoax together. These are people who spent decades in silence because they didn't want any attention at all, but they all have one thing in common. On September 1st, 1969 in Western Massachusetts, they encountered something non-human. [clears throat] They all saw a UFO in the Berkshires.

And there's countless of people numbers of people who who were also potentially abducted that have not come forward with their stories or don't remember being abducted.

Plus there's people who just were calling into the radio station being like like I think there's something strange happening, but they didn't have a a story like this. But there was something a strange flash in the sky or something that was worthy of reporting.

What if aliens have like a quota that every month they're supposed to fill? And

For abductions?

I guess it was September 1st, though. But they were like, "Shoot, August was really bad. We got to start September." Like their like manager came down and had like a stern talking to them.

Yeah. If you don't get this.

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Yeah. You have to do a certain amount of billable hours. Jeez.

They're just trying to do their job.

On Labor Day weekend, we're supposed to relax. [laughter]

Damn. That's wild.

I was like, I don't even remember watching this episode before and I definitely binged the whole series.

Yeah, when it came out.

Yeah.

Wow.

And I started second-guessing myself. Like, did we cover this before? But I don't remember any of that.

No. But it is interesting how like with all the cases we have covered of abductions and stuff, like there's so many similarities.

Mhm. So many. It cannot be explained away. To the skeptics, blah blah blah blah.

[laughter]

Meat fist.

Woah. The the threat has been escalated.

listener story

I have a listener story from our buddy Bobby, and he's from Ohio.

Nice.

Hi, my name is Bobby. I'm from Ohio.

[laughter]

Although I'm often skeptical, I definitely believe in the supernatural and paranormal. I'm new to listening to podcasts, but instantly fell in love with yours. I love the mix of the known

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supernatural and the viewer write-ins. So, here's my own experience. I have three stories of my own and another one that happened in the same home where I had my biggest experience, but I'll save the best for last. And there's a couple stories, but like one is a UFO. My first ever memory was seeing something paranormal, which was when I was a kid somewhere around the fifth or sixth grade. I was in my bedroom that I shared with my brother. It was night time, and I saw this strange green light in my window. Whatever it was maintained the same shape and size, unlike headlights that can change as they dance through your window across your house. My bedroom was situated on the corner of the house, and I watched this oddly shaped light slide past my window and around the side of my house, and I never saw it again. I like that Bobby says it's paranormal. Or is it? Something unexplained. A UFO, which might explain the next story. Maybe Bobby was being watched, too.

Oh, I just thought that these were like, oh, I just watched the lights go by the window. It's like, no, you were watching them leave after you probably lost some time and were abducted. That was your

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memory of getting returned.

Mhm. When I was about 22, I became friends with this guy at work, and we got to talking, and he said that there had been some weird happenings near his home. And he thoroughly believed it was aliens, and it happened multiple times. I still, to this day, do not know what I witnessed the day he invited me to his house. This guy lived pretty much in the middle of nowhere. You can barely see neighbors, and the front of his house was a decent size cornfield. That's a perfect place for alien abductions. His house is set at the back of a longer than average gravel driveway. And that night we got some takeout and sat and waited in his driveway for whatever he had been seeing. A few hours went by, and I finally got to witness what he had been talking about. Out of nowhere, this bright white ball of light came zooming in, and it's hard to tell what size it was as it came in the air, but probably around the size of a small motorcycle. As it came in, it came to a dead stop and hovered over the cornfield,

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right above the tree line. This was nothing like a typical plane or helicopter, and as it moved, it hovered, and it made zero sound.

Damn.

It didn't stay long. It just hovered in place for probably less than a minute, then took off extremely fast in a diagonal pattern where it got higher in the sky and got further away. Again, still making zero sound. We never really talked about it after that night, and I still don't know what to make of it, but for sure it's in my book of paranormal experiences.

Um, yeah.

Also, it just makes me think of what's the Matthew McConaughey space movie?

Interstellar?

Interstellar. Like, it makes me think of how they were running out of crops. Like, the crops were all dying.

Oh, yeah.

And like, are the aliens coming to get the the seeds of the corn?

Is that why they were sent out?

I'm pretty sure they were like going out to find something about in order to like save Earth. Because all of the crops were dying.

I think Matt wasn't it the Matt Damon? I think Matt's movie.

[laughter]

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The Martian?

The Martian. Cuz he was like a plant expert going to see if they could

Yeah, but he got stuck on Mars.

grow things.

Mhm.

Oh, he just happened to

He got left behind and had to

horticulturalist.

to survive.

Yeah.

Mhm. I rewatched that recently cuz it's the same guy who did Project Hail Mary. And I loved Project Hail Mary so much that I watched

Apparently, Adam Sandler has a movie that is very similar to Project Hail Mary.

Really?

That came out a few years ago. It's like basically the same premise.

Huh. Never watched that Adam Sandler alien movie.

is a space man.

[laughter]

And you can learn about that.

A space man.

learn about it by watching the

You can learn about Adam Sandler's journey to space. Very real, not fictional.

[laughter]

And his encounter with a spider-like alien.

Okay, the next two stories happened on the same property. One is a personal encounter from me and my friend, and the other was shared with me. So, my friend had always felt that her property was haunted. The main point of attraction

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was a really old red rusted pickup truck that was abandoned on her property from previous owners.

Immediately, I think of Charlie's truck in Twilight.

Oh, I think of House of Wax.

[laughter]

The guy who's like dumping deer carcasses.

Nice. Two two different uh associations. Good associations.

Yep. So, on this particular night, she had a large group of friends over to use her bonfire and camp. She had an extremely long driveway which doubled as a runway because her dad was a private pilot, casual. At the end of the runway on the left side was thick woods with a clearing. We set up a bonfire over there and ample room for tents. But on the other side of the runway was this old abandoned red rusted truck. Before it got dark, we were all warned to visit the truck at our own risk.

Wow.

Because whatever is attached to the truck does not like to be bothered.

Interesting.

Also earlier in the day, I was helping my friend set up for our bonfire and and camping when her dog came running out of the woods holding a skull in its mouth.

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We We looked at it and it looked to belong to a sheep, which already freaked us out. So, it's night and a group of us still wanted to go explore the truck. So, we did. We didn't really do anything besides going near it and looking in the windows. And honestly, we're all like, "It's just a truck. Nothing weird." But then it got darker. It was a warm summer night. We had a large bonfire going and we had a car running to play music. When out of nowhere, that car just shut off. The owner and I walked around to the driver's side to investigate and that's when I noticed the drastic temperature change. Outside it was around 75°, but as soon as you walked over to the car, it was significantly colder. Like 10 to 15° colder.

Ooh. Ooh, that's so creepy.

We were able to get the car started back up, no problem. And shortly after that, we heard a noise coming from the runway. A few people and I went to go investigate and at the end of the runway, like I said, was this thick forest. But coming from the forest heading up towards the main road were two horses. Except they didn't look normal.

Hmm.

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They were massive [clears throat] and they were both solid black in a way that seemed darker than the night itself, making them fully visible as more of a shadow or a silhouette.

Oh.

The only light in that area was that of the summer moon. These horses didn't seem harmful in any way, but it was weird and we all kind of felt mesmerized. Like, "Wow, look at this beautiful thing we're seeing." But then as they disappeared, our nerves really hit this limit. Because between the randomly dying car, the drastic change of temperature, and the lack of a better term, spirit horses, we decided to call it a night. Me and two other friends got into the tent and I tried to go to sleep. However, the night was not over yet because as we lay there staring up at the ceiling of the tent, this gentle breeze began pulling back the tarp letting us see the nighttime sky. This continued for a few minutes where the tarp would slowly peel back to reveal the nighttime sky and then fall back down. It was almost as if like something was lifting it up so we could see the sky and then covering it again.

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I knew it was nothing, but my friends and I were all terrified and so we were like, "Let's not sleep here."

Yeah.

We all got in our car and began driving down the long driveway. We're all in one car. Our intention was just to get off the property and right as the front bumper hit the exit to the main road, our car died without warning.

Ooh, I don't like this.

We frantically tried to get the car back on and after several tries, we finally did and were able to get out. We were driving down the road trying to figure out where to go and it was then that I got a text from an unknown number that said, "My name is Emily Rose and tonight at midnight, I will be sitting at the foot of your bed. If you don't forward this to 10 people."

Uh was this the time of the haunting of Emily Rose?

Maybe, but to get it at that exact time.

freaky.

So instead of going for food after that text, I asked my friends to bring me to my car. I got back on that haunted property, got in my car, drove home very fast. What a night. Uh also later on we

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found out from my friend's dad that one of the sheep just got sick and died. He put it in the woods for local wildlife to eat, so that was why the dog had found the skull. But my last story was on that same property. I was not there, but my friend who lived on the property told me this story and it happened shortly after our bonfire night experience. Both she and her friend were in her bedroom when her friend decided to go outside to smoke. When she got to the door that led to the deck, she saw what looked like a woman ghost dressed in a really old style of clothes just sitting on the stairs. Instead of going outside, she went back to my friend's bedroom, and before she could explain what happened, my friend said her eyes rolled back in her head and she started to laugh.

But this is a few too many experiences for one email. I feel like this is [laughter] like are you okay?

I mean, at least Bobby's not experiencing all of them.

Right, but Bobby's around haunted friends.

Oh, Bobby.

It didn't last long as far as I know, and they never saw that ghost again. But

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during this episode of laughter, a metal cross fell off the wall, hit the bed, and broke. After I heard this experience from my friend, I decided, "Yeah, I definitely don't want to go back to that house ever again." And haven't. Over time, this friend and I lost contact, so I will never know if anything else has happened on that property, but

Damn.

I can say probably most likely. Um, that's from Bobby.

Well, [ __ ] Bobby.

[laughter]

You've seen aliens. You've seen

You've seen aliens that you blamed as being just a paranormal

experience. Well, and I also felt like the car stopping and car dying is such a similar experience that people have with aliens.

Yeah. See, that one's tough cuz that's like yeah, it totally fits alien abduction, but it also fits kind of like

electronic

and

like entering other dimension portal time glitch situation. Or, I feel like sometimes when people talk about like encounters with

flesh pedestrians and like other things like that.

There might be a reason for the hills to try to keep you

Yes.

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stuck there.

Someone said that they were trying to listen to, and this is a car malfunction situation, but it's also I think Sven. Hey. Um, looking out looking out for all of our listeners. Someone

[clears throat]

tried to listen to part one of Harold the Haunted Doll, and they're in their car, and just as we were saying like, "Hey, maybe don't listen while you're driving, or if you do, really that intentions, their car like start glitching and the podcast wouldn't play. They tried to like play it multiple times. It would not play the episode and they were like, "Okay, I'm taking this as a sign that something does not want me to listen while driving."

Yeah. Well, that is definitely a good thing that you took that as a sign.

Yeah, if you're listening to our podcast and it starts to glitch and like doesn't want you to listen to it, we're okay with that. You can listen later.

just yeah, take a break, change your setting,

Yeah.

choose a different day, go listen somewhere else.

Choose to listen to the signs.

Yes.

They're all around us. Signs.

Did you say signs?

Signs.

Oh.

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Signs.

And signs. I mean [laughter]

The same, right?

What is signs? I

[laughter]

What are aliens anyway? We don't have questions. I mean, we we have

[laughter]

Okay, we got to go.

Yeah, I need to take a break. I just like squawk laughed, too. We we definitely need a break. Yeah, so email us your experiences with aliens, let us know if you too were abducted in September of 1969 in the Berkshires and this episode is recalling your memory and you want to you want to get it out there. Share it with us.

Yeah.

Email us at twogirlswithghostpodcast@gmail.com. If you want episodes one week early and ad-free, go check us out on Patreon or any of the subscriptions, but Patreon I feel like has not I feel like definitely has more bang for your buck, more benefits, bonuses, bonus content, different events and stuff. That's the spiel. You you know it.

Shoutout to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast and is probably going to be mad at me for how many times I'm moving away from my mic. No, she'd never be mad at me.

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But she would be like, "Hey, can you

to say, "Can you put your microphone closer to your face?"

[laughter]

Shoutout Jamie. Thank you, Jamie. We love you.

And we love all of you.

And we will see you on the other side.

Very spooky.