Hidden Messages in Famous Paintings | Secrets of the Masters (Ep 213)

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very spooky hey yo hey oh I have something I really want to ask everyone oh okay what is it well should we introduce ourselves first this is two girls one ghost I had to burp I'm so sorry okay Aiden you can leave that everyone burps um you know that's what happens when um you don't sleep actually no when you just are human but I haven't slept actually I saw okay

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I know I said I have a question to ask I do but I my brain ah hi that's what okay hours of sleep does for someone I think that's so fun when I'm sleep deprived like I love myself right now I love myself I'm working on loving myself when I'm normal but really love myself when I'm delirious anywho last night Spotify invited both Corinne and I to their stream on event to like celebrate creators and Spotify which cran you unfortunately did not come to but yeah I was tough right for Gwen Stefani Rita Ora and Leon it was so fun and it was in this it was at the Roxy it was tiny tiny tiny I've never been to the Roxy so I was just gonna say isn't it really small so small um anyway it was really really fun yes it makes me want to get a studio where we can put our Spotify light above us my goodness I know we'll just have to like

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lean it against our yeah backdrop okay so I have been thinking and every time we record I'm like oh I should ask this so I really want to get a ghost tattoo but I want it to be like a cute dainty tattoo that kind of embodies our our podcast yeah like very dainty like I'm gonna get it small I don't know where yet but I just want it to be small um and I've been trying to Google ghost tattoos and I can't find one that I actually really like so my call to Phantoms is two things one if you have a ghost tattoo will you send us what it looks like because maybe I'll copy you or two if anyone wants to help design my tattoo I would love love love love your Doodles of ghosts yeah also there's a ton of people on Tick Tock who design very dainty looking or like line simple

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line tattoos and say ghost tattoo or just stalk their page I'm sure there's a few too I love this where are you gonna get it I don't know yet I don't know um I really like like I like I kind of want to add to my arm somewhere oh you would actually be so cool with a sleeve I can see you having a full sleeve I really can that would be sick it's so funny I I don't know if it was Tick Tock or if it was real life because who knows what's what's what anymore um someone took off a sweatshirt and like when with the sweatshirt on you think they're you know they look like me and then they took off their sweatshirt and their whole arm was just tatted and sleeved and I was like oh my gosh so badass one of my old co-workers all of his tattoos are done in red ink it's only red and it looks so cool because when they're new they're kind of like this bright orange red yeah but then after a few months they turn into this

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like deep oh like a almost a Merlot but it's it's still pretty red and all of his tattoos like it just he looks like an art piece like it's beautiful well this is a little hint about this episode which I'm sure people will already know because of the description but I think you're covering an artist and then my listener story at the end is about a tattoo artist so I was like I was like this is already on my mind and how perfect it's all coming together um but yeah so that's serendipitous would love all of us here together love the Phantoms help definitely artists additionally Sabrina now my computer is freaking out and my camera is moving because Leia is jumping on and off the table and having the Zoomies off screen um we if you were paying attention to our feed last week we dropped a very special

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episode with Patrick from True Crime obsessed and we are going to start doing some episodes more often like that once a month we will have a guest yeah we will be haunted with a guest on our podcast feed so if you have any suggestions we already have a pretty sweet lineup of some people over the next couple months which yeah if you are on our patreon if you're a member of our patreon patreon if you're a patron you will get sneak peeks of who those people are before the episodes come out and the sneak peeks that we have created are pretty obvious who who those people are yeah and take much guesswork um so you'll get the information ahead of time if you're yes if you're a patron but regardless of if you're on patreon or not let us know who you would like to suggest for having

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on our podcast and also I don't know maybe spam all your favorite podcasters and be like you oh yes don't do girls you should collab with two girls one ghost you know help us out we would love I feel like let's get people's digits yeah seriously and I just feel like our little podcast it's not little because the podcast Community is massive but our podcast friend network is just growing this year and it makes me so happy because one I feel like a lot of podcasters are hilarious uh yeah everybody's such a good time yeah and I just feel like we are all kind of kindred spirits that are all meant to be friends and it makes me really happy and interestingly enough almost every single podcaster has a ghost story so it really works out well for us yeah oh Leia no Miss lay she just started eating my camera cord

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look at me come here look at me I have a picture of him in the background of your what's your case oh it's so good I love it it says never better and it's a skeleton with thumbs up in a coffin go check it out on YouTube if you want to see what it looks like better never better that's super fitting for you yes um because it's ironic and sarcastic watching a video before this because we had to take a little rest before we started recording um they use the entire internet and cell service shut down yeah I'm just glad it happened just before we were like about about to record and then yeah in the middle but of course I was scrolling on Tick Tock to wait until the power came back on and I was watching a video that had to do with Dolores Cannon and it was some stuff that she said

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about like the second wave of beings and that there are certain people like basically humans whose souls are in this second wave and they're not here necessarily for like a life purpose in the way that we often think of Life purposes but they're there to create really good positive energy and be these generators and give all of this like light to people and some of the characteristics of people that are in this sort of like second wave of generators are people that actually like to spend a lot of time at home and alone because being around a lot of other people is that me and I was thinking that it's you because Joe even told me I feel like I talk about Joe so much that I'm people every week you go and you have something yeah to discuss so Joe told me basically that I am a generator he said when you're in spaces people become more energized which

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naturally drains you but people feel open and like energized around you and like even he was like I usually like these sessions are pretty you know surface level conversations but I just have I just can't stop talking I have so much fun to share with you and I keep sharing so much and and I was like well I love this Joe because I feel like I'm learning so much he also oh my gosh he told me so many fascinating things he also told me that I have reached a place where I have finally overcome and put my ancestral traumas my family's traumas my past not my personal traumas necessarily because still working through that but like the generational trauma I finally have put behind me and so that is huge and he said he reached that point he reached that point when he was like 28 and he basically saw a version of God who was

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like your time on Earth is over like you've done what you've come to do and he looked back at Earth and saw these little lights on earth and the embodiment of God whatever you want to call it was like those are the it's like a tap dancing in the background what is going on um I think trash construction oh okay demons I don't know what's the difference um I hope the microphone's not picking it up but if it is sorry this is a podcasting from home and that was way of the earthquake in the video um and he said the embodiment of God you can call it whatever you want higher power said those are those lights signify the people you have brought and taught lessons to and Joe was like that's not nearly enough and he was like I'm not done my time here is not done and he basically decided to stay back and he felt his

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astral body come back into his physical body holy crap he is mad yeah but okay yeah that is magical but it's also making me scared for you that you've now healed this part of you you're not allowed to get in a car it's my role for you do you think you're gonna die in a car accident and now you're like reaching this Enlightenment for this lifetime no I mean I'm definitely not I'm not near there yet but I think I mean what we just learned Korean oh this is a tangent gosh I my brain today anywho yesterday we were talking I I can't remember it might have been brought up by the Joseph and you looked up oh it was brought up by the full moon conversation or blue moon um the super moon the super moon it was a Superman I named every type of Moon super period but we looked up our Saturn returns and found out that mine just started on February 3rd and I

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was like excuse me so what the hell have I been going through the last year and a half it's funny because your therapist had said oh you're probably in your sad in return and you just took that as I'm in my Saturn return and so we've been thinking that you've been in you're sat in return and then I was like oh this super Moon A lot of people are saying that this is basically rounding off the the Saturn returns for a lot of people and this is coming to a close and there's this new period and and it signified a lot of things in like the witchy and astrology worlds and so I was like oh Sabrina you might be in that group like it's probably over for you so then I put it your birthday when you were born where you were born where you live now all that information and yeah it started actually just it just started to go just started and so did yours yeah mine started a week or two ago so we're in this together we'll see what happens maybe okay I mean because Saturn returns

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aren't all no that is about right change it's like a rebirth so perhaps this was the the the chapter I am closing to to embark on this new Saturn return real chapter was a Prelude and was the crumbling it was the death of my last chapter and now I'm in my rebirth um entering the rebirth I like that yeah that's a great way to think about it the part of my soul definitely did die in the last year and a half um so welcoming all good new positive energy for this uh I think really great things are gonna happen this year we're gonna be propelled forward the podcast us personally everything is going to fall into place I sense it I feel it I know it to be true okay I'll take your word for it I'm actually it's all manifest it for you wait I was just gonna say I've started manifesting and I've been

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writing little like on Tiny scraps of paper if I see a scrap of paper I write like a manifest uh just manifestation and then I burn it or I hide it in different places in like my backpack or in my makeup bag in my the back of my notebooks and I'm just hiding them and dating them and I'm you know maybe one day it will fall out and I'll see if it happened I love that I had a so there's these apartments well they're they're like townhouses in Boston that every time I go buy them I feel so good I love didn't I show you them did we walk by them and I'm like these are the places that I I don't know I don't know but are they the ones that decorate for Halloween no these ones are in the North End they're it's like a row of I don't know 15 or 16 three-story townhouses that are on the water like their decks hover over

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the ocean and there's an HOA and there's like a pool and it's like a little there's like a little gate and basically I walk by it almost every single day and every time I'm there it feels like the city is quiet and the world feels peaceful and I feel so warm and fuzzy and good and I want to live outside of the city but yet I have this obsession with these places which you know if if one was for sale it would probably be if I had to guess probably 2.5 to oh geez three million dollars so will I have this in my future let's manifest and hope that I I could afford it but it is by no means in the playing cards it will be your city home one day yeah but the reason that I'm on this tangent right now is because similar to you doing these manifestations I do a lot of it on my walk like as I walk I talk to myself and try to manifest almost every single time if I'm walking alone that's like pretty much the entirety of what's happening during my walk and the other

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day I was like you know what I'm gonna Manifest this place so hard and I sat down on a bench and I stared it was so creepy turn my body fully and just stared at someone's apartment for like 45 minutes and was like I will live here I will have this home like this home is mine I feel so good this is a safe space this is like was doing all my whatever but those poor people if in anyone looked out their window you know like a creeper you're just doing your own thing I I kind of have a feeling you were you're one of those people that has I think you have the ability to really manifest and put things into the world and get them so I have I have strong faith in you one day owning that apartment I think I will I actually think I will I truly think I will I don't know how but I I think that it will be somehow in my possession yeah I agree

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um going back to Joe because this reminds me of that conversation that you're just having um when I was in my last session he was like he was talking about what energy was picking up he was saying that my body is saying that meditation is not necessarily the way that I'm going to strengthen my astral abilities my spiritual connection but it will help it's helpful but it won't be the way that I access it fully and he said that I need to go out into the Sun and he kept getting images of Nature and the woods and trees and Greenery and he said any water because that's like the person that we saw in Salem for cleansing oh but he said to walk with your chest open and to allow the sun to hit my stomach region and that the stomach will connect to my heart and like bursting energy will come

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like this is my right here is where the energy is I feel like you're gonna turn into Shailene Woodley and just start getting some sun in your vagina too you know I mean that's something that she does honestly we all should do that we all should I went to a it was a co-ed Spa in Santa Cruz California 12 years ago so I have no idea what the name of it is but they would have women's mornings I've told you about this yeah this Spa was so incredible it was mostly outside it was just like a garden it was like literally a Garden of Eden that's what it felt like and there were hot plunges and cold plunges oh my gosh and everyone would just lay out in the garden and I was 16 and my friend Olivia was 16 and so we were the only two with her older sister wearing swimsuits there everyone else was naked and it was the best place I've ever been I think that's nice everyone's just sprawling out just chatting on the lawn hanging out like that's your dream

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plunge into the cold for 10 minutes and burn all my brown fat whatever and then go lounge Again by the flowers eat my cantaloupe that I brought it's a little bit of my nightmare nightmare what I mean dream I everyone else be naked that's totally fine I'm not I'm not weirded out by other people being naked I'm so I hate being naked I hate and we've talked about this before I hate it so much it's cold I I just there's air in places that I'm not used to getting Aaron oh I have a question for you so I have a year-round tan line no matter what I my it looks like I I just have I'm curious if you have this as well and obviously I can't show you what I'm talking about but like let me look year round I've I've always I think since childhood I've had this tan line it's never gone away I have it on my boobs and like where you

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would wear a bikini on the bottom I think you're seeing the whitest version that I can possibly be right now I don't really have one I have year round like it literally I'm gonna send we're gonna FaceTime later and I'll show you it truly looks like I wore a bikini it was out in the sun yesterday but I I haven't I haven't since last summer yes tell me what what I wonder if you'll be able to see it in the light it's so weird do you see this reverse Band-Aid mark on me no oh you can't see it what if I go into like the shadow over here can you see a little bit no it's too blurry okay it's so weird for for like a month well actually this has been on me for like three or four months and I thought it since I got the flu shot basically and so I thought that I had gotten like a weird tan and I was just rocking this like band-aid and then I realized that it actually is reverse like all the places that the Band-Aid

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touched is actually it's like weirdly darker it's basically the reverse of a tan line I think I got like burnt from my Band-Aid and that's just what it looks like now huh it's so weird or what if in another reality your self is wearing a Band-Aid still and you have like a little stain just Perpetual flu shots in every single dimension on my nightmare I hate needles what do I know what do we know um but yeah curious does anyone else have a forever tan line because I thought that was normal but I guess it's not but yeah what is normal anyway I feel like I used to but I think it was because here's here's something to think about and I well no nevermind

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I was gonna give the argument of like will you live in a warmer climate and you go on vacations and you're probably more in like a you're probably occasionally in a swimsuit more often and are getting worse than you realize to like secure that but then I realized it's like 40 degrees in California in the winter and you're always wearing oversized sweatshirts yeah there's really no reason okay wait can I go into another room and FaceTime you real quick and you can keep recording but don't show me and I I just need you you need to see what I'm talking about yeah okay I'm gonna be happy open my phone you can hear karinta okay okay so this is this is my it's always there oh and then super anxious that was that was I think a shock of my life Sabrina you know because of how much I hate

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being naked and I just showed you everything I just ended this that was my first time ever seeing your boobs I just flashed you ever because every time we ever get dressed in the same room which has been a million times in our friendship you turn away that was my first time seeing your boobs that was a big moment but do you get what I'm saying now yes you have a bikini you have a bikini like and it's like very clearly a tan line because it's like your butt tan line too it's like The Cheeky bikini yeah cut like you can tell it's from a swimsuit and I've never like I I can never get rid of it ever oh wow it's just permanent now yeah well now you always know exactly how white you've started because you'll you'll feel but when's the last time I was that color I don't know maybe you need to reverse and put drapes and towels all over everything except

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for your butt and your boobs wear some like capless pants for like 30 minutes and just get a little Sun yeah bring it right together well thank you all for joining this journey of me flashing Corinne this is exciting I feel like I won an award this is like did you like my boots I'm gonna tear up a little bit I loved your boobs Sabrina I like truly feel like this is Monumental in our friendship and I don't really want to record anymore I just want to like just live the rest of the day of enjoyment now happiness ecstatic huge moments uh wow I'm so excited my eyes when I look down like how shocked I was that you turned around and just went I thought I was getting only the butt I was only ready for the butt and I got so much more and I'm so glad I did

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oh my gosh I gave you everything a whole show a full frontal did you do naked pre-games with us in college what so porny absolutely not oh really you didn't do it I feel like you created a porno or something and I'm just hearing it sounds really porny you know what never mind I'm not gonna be able to pack myself out of this one I'm not gonna be able to explain it in a way that doesn't feel all right we can pivot all right I'm sweating from uh post nudity a lot of energy in the flashing a lot I was in The Flash Zone I didn't even didn't even realize The Flash Zone that's artwork we need to create Jordan Sabrina and then you being like Oh wearing a poncho with like boobs on it like the you know

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like those shirts do girls want ghosts baby it is what it sounds like something anyway ghost stories uh ghost stories I have a topic that was suggested it was recommended on patreon by our Patron Gabrielle um I also want to credit two sources that I relied on heavily for this information and that is the Guggenheim Museum and Hilma of Clint Foundation oh okay welcome to art class oh fun I am your teacher and I'm going to try to not insult anyone who knows anything about art and studying our history I'm gonna try my best okay so love it let's pretend that this is actually like first grade art class and give me give me some Grace here okay but thank you to learn about we're finger painting and that is the least we could do to

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honor this woman it is Europe's first abstract artist Hilma off Clint of Sweden yes a woman invented abstract art first which is not what we were taught in history class so we are relearning it now because this is newer information our art history books were telling us that it was a man that it was Kandinsky that he was the inventor of the this art movement but she did it many years before him oh my God 1906 was the first piece of artwork that she created she is inventor she is the founder of abstract love is so is her first name Hilma she's our friend right she's our friend yes so how do we support him did these she grew up in Sweden uh and she painted

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these really beautiful ethereal and spiritual shapes five years before Kandinsky did but throughout her life and she was a pretty much unknown artist for the majority of her life and by the majority of her life I mean really her entire life she had a really small circle of people who she would share her artwork with and and show people her art but when she died she was unknown she barely sold any of her artwork so truly her Artistry was not for fame or for money it was very much the love of the medium the love of making art I do feel like that is common for a lot of artists like yeah a lot of artists that we know now as you know these notorious incredible um Monumental artists lived a very poor unsuccessful life totally yeah I mean so many people isn't that sad that it basically has to

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take someone passing away and then a hundred years later their art is Con considered groundbreaking right they're highly revered and they have all of these exhibits and these giant art museums and they're worth their life thousands for and thinking that their art just had to be for them because no one else thought it was good I also wonder who gets the money now because it's not like ah is this Hilma here's Helma oh she's beautiful we love her I wanna like Photo like that right well if we can take one let's try to recreate helmet so when Helma died in 1944 no one knew who she was and so how was someone who was this incredibly talented and who created the first abject abstract piece of art ever and go unnoticed to start it was because she was a woman and female artists were greatly ignored at this time yep uh she had no contacts

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really in the art space and nobody wanted to help her no one wanted to recognize her Talent everyone wanted to look at it and maybe they thought wow this is incredible but they were just like this isn't anything that anyone will take a second glance at you know like they felt very good by what she was doing which was something that was so special and so beyond where the world was at the time and so she just didn't get any of the recognition if that is so frustrating it is but it's also frustrating historically something that happens and still happens to this day yeah I mean the proof is that Kandinsky and a few other well-known artists a few years later had basically credited themselves as being the first if not in the group of of the firsts to create this art movement which was not true it was just that they were louder about it yep other people were way more receptive

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to them and respected a man creating this artwork and so they were credited and not Hilma she was just truly shunned from the art space because she was a woman and also because she was a witch she was a witch she was a witch as if that's what people called her but I think we couldn't have loved her more right this is why yesterday when you called me and you're like what are you doing I was like I feverishly trying to finish this research about this woman who's so incredible because I couldn't stop reading about her and I was like it's you're gonna love it because we totally want to be friends with her would she want to be friends with us I would hope so Hilma if you are with us I feel like I'm preparing to oh I just got home that's for Hilma I really just got chills I don't know if it's because I spooked myself out or what I truly like tingles it did get a little colder in my space

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too I don't know maybe home is with us maybe he'll listen I don't know I'm here yeah she's like female and permission free the nips little did we know all of her artwork was actually just painting what happened before which was you flashing me just in an abstract art way you know wow I love to think that she just real quick glitched to our timeline got into so we are her Muse yeah will not take credit I will not take credit for that Hilma was inspired by something probably incredible not my boobs she was and I will tell you about it okay so she got into the Art Space well as a kid I guess let's back up so as a kid she was super into a few things art uh mathematics and botany so she loved plants she loved artwork and colors and different paints and different mediums and um math which she can have that one she

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will complete us she'll teach us and so she went and she studied at the Royal Academy of Fine Arts and graduated with honors so she was quite brilliant and Homa she strayed away from painting popular portraits and Landscapes she had to do some of it while she was in school but as soon as she graduated she was like she went super down adult doing her own thing yeah but like truly in down a dark Hall fashion hilma's artwork evolved into colorful shapes and lines and spheres but the art wasn't solely hers it was produced under the guidance of higher Spirits called the high Masters stop which this is already we just on patreon did a deep dive into or like a book club on Many Lives Many Masters and throughout this whole thing I just kept thinking about Brian Weiss talking about the Masters coming through and speaking

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through yeah Catherine the woman in the book but this is what happened to Hilma she called them the high Masters because she was a Mystic she was Clairvoyant and she would communicate with these Spirit guides who would show her these shapes these abstract forms and then Hilma would paint them so they were telling her what she should be painting what she made it to do the direction her art needed to go this reminds me of Joe Joe like didn't realize what he was doing he was like I don't understand this work please give me guidance and he was just like told and shown to do this pressure point stuff it's so it's so interesting I mean we did a we did a episode on how alcoholics anonymous yeah also became a thing and it was also seen in like a trance and and through higher guides directing yeah so this happened Hilma she was shown these unseen worlds and they were meant to

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answer questions about humanity and the universe and these paintings had powerful messages but she wasn't necessarily given the messages she was just told of their importance and told basically or shown what to paint and so she herself was also trying to decipher her own paintings so I'm going to show you right now just a grouping of many of her art pieces she created thousands in her lifetime okay but here's a few oh my gosh like intergalactic yeah totally and like the this bottom six this just reminds me so much of plants and botany and just yeah the cellular structures and there's just there's something so mathematical about all of these drawings as well that it's just it's clearly not just random shapes and blobs together right

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right it's like what you would it means something more yeah it feels like it's the cosmic makeup yes totally let me show you my very favorite one this one is called the dove number 12. she painted the 1915. it looks like a tarot card yeah it looks like Saturn and then there's two angels kind of hugging each other in the middle oh and that's me and you when you showed me [Laughter] you said that so authentically that I would have thought you wrote that [Laughter] you knew you predicted that I was gonna flash you I saw into our future so Hilma she created many paintings over her lifetime the majority of them were done under the guidance of these high Masters and her spiritual pieces were not created as individual pieces but rather as these these collections so she might create

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three pieces that are in a collection she might create a hundred paintings that all belong in one collection and this was all under the guidance of these high Masters so it's not just one painting being the key or an answer to something but rather the whole message that's told from a grouping of paintings wow each painting informed the other which I think is really really cool yeah many of them are inspired by nature and meant to explain the unknown they were all messages and there's this one series that's pretty famous now from Hilma and it's called the paintings for the temple which hilma's guides told her that she needed to show in a temple and this Temple would quote be made of alabaster and have an astronomical Tower in an internal spiral staircase whoa so Hilma really wanted this Temple to be in Sweden and she definitely pushed in her lifetime to like try to find this Temple or could she build this Temple

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because she got the message that this needed to be displayed in a temple and she wanted to display the artwork in her in her home country right only Hellman ever displayed her artwork she tried to display her art a few times but no one was willing to exhibit her art in one of her notebooks she had many many no books by the way she took so cool everything she wrote though in one of her notebooks that the world wasn't ready for the messages that they would receive by viewing her art it was deeply spiritual and people just wouldn't understand so despite wanting notoriety not necessarily notoriety but like wanting other people to enjoy her art yeah she understood that her artwork served a greater purpose and now she wouldn't necessarily live in the time that that purpose would be fulfilled or that it's it's so sad for her to have that realization but it's also very clear to me to for

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her to have that realization even more solidifies the fact that she was communicating with these higher Masters higher beings that were probably communicating to her saying hey you need to paint these pictures these art yes art but it won't be able to be viewed and seen and understood it won't be received during your lifetime yeah but you need to do this is your your prophecy like your your purpose and she spent her whole life doing this yeah every moment basically was spent thinking about it thinking about the world and the universe and yeah what life is and if she wasn't jotting it down in her notebook or doing some sort of seance she was painting wow so despite the setbacks that Helma had and not being able to display her artwork Helma being the witch we love of course

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had a coven and she was the main medium I die right she had four female friends Anna castle Cornelius Cedarburg Sigrid Hedman and Mathilda Matilda Nelson see this is and they would this is what we're trying to build out of our podcast Community right ladies and tangents creeps and crimes morbid but like we're just Patrick doing Robin Patrick just getting everybody collecting all the we're making a coven we totally are and everyone in here is in the tgog Covenant anyway so this is going to be a freaking giant one hundreds and hundreds of people it's a new religion our new religion hey whatever the religion is you get to believe in whatever you want whatever you want yes so long as you're kind and

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happy yeah and now we can turn this into a non-profit and evade taxes and that's what you've been after your entire time okay so Helma and her four best girlfriends that were in this sort of coven they would attend spiritual Gatherings and they called themselves the five which is such a fun friendship group name the five I'm truly obsessed yeah right they're so great I think I've been using that word a lot too obsessed because we're just obsessed we're just obsessed it's okay you can be obsessed I know but I like to believe that I have more variety in my vocabulary so okay pull up the thesaurus on the side right now do you want to say I'm obsessed

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be like no stop you get something else yeah you're a child I'm tickled I'm tickled so the five during their meetings they would meditate they would host seances they would astral travel to other spiritual Realms they would communicate with mystical beings and they would use psychographs which I looked up what that was and it basically was like a Ouija board like it was a talking board okay they would also practice automatic writing and drawing and just be really cool badass badass woman badass witches Hilma had been raised Catholic but she was extremely interested in the occult specifically Helena blotovsky's theosophy which was a philosophy based in spiritual or Supernatural forces oh so the five women would I mean they would do like almost like a combo like a

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blend they would include some prayers and Catholic practices in the beginning and then they would just like pivot so hard into paganism and and all of these other really awesome practices and just tap into their own spirituality and try to make sense of the world and so the five women they enjoyed communing with the spirit world and trying to understand how new scientific discoveries related to the spiritual realm so they were trying to make sense of all the new things that were happening in the world and how this went back to our souls and and the universe and make sense of just why things are happening so suddenly and what these changes mean and Hilma was so curious about hidden reasons and meanings and what we can extract from what's right in front of us and these recurring patterns in nature which is why she gravitated a little bit more to drawings and paintings while a lot of other people ended up writing when doing like the

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automatic writing and communing with these higher Powers right so the five they wrote in notebooks all about the Spirit guides they met the high Masters who formed a council the spiritual Council of sorts and the names of these high Masters were amaliel Ananda Clemens Esther George and Gregor and there were a few others as well okay but many of these notes that they had written were actually written so they said by the Spirit guides themselves during trance-like States so it wasn't necessarily that they were just chronicling and taking notes after sessions a lot of their notebooks were automatic writing it reminds me a bit of so I started reading the artist's way and part of the practice in that book is morning pages and it's this idea of for for three pages you just write and you don't think you don't stop you just write what comes to your stream of

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Consciousness and the idea is that you know the first maybe five minutes or first two minutes you are a bit in your head but then as you keep going it's just like subconscious flowing through you and it kind of reminds me of that where when you get to that meditative state of writing I'm sure the spiritual realm can come through you it is like down a dark Hall where you open yourself up to creativity and I very much believe when I'm super creative I feel like there is energy within me that doesn't exist when I'm just you know living my grocery shopping or whatever it is I mean it just reminds me too of when you were in Marblehead and there was just so much creativity oozing out of you that yeah and you'd been having this block before and then sometimes things just open up yeah and it all flows out yep flows through you so while some people wrote Hilma painted

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she painted with watercolors charcoal crayon dry pastels graphite she used many tools to portray and and depict these messages and images that she saw after finishing the 193 paintings that went in to the paintings for the temple she painted almost 200 paintings for this series isn't that one wow she was busy she was super busy so after she painted the 193 paintings called the paintings for the temple she spent the rest of her life trying to figure out what these paintings meant she annotated them she edited them she tried to decode what they could say a language a message what the heck are the Masters trying to say okay so you know what was there a decipher oh no there wasn't no but there's just so many notes and

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there's there's a lot that we haven't seen yet so I do believe maybe some things will be uncovered hopefully In Our Lifetime if not after that because there's so there are so many paintings and there are so many journals and in an earlier notebook Helma wrote the pictures were painted directly through me without any preliminary drawings and with great divorce I had no idea what the paintings were supposed to depict nevertheless I worked swiftly and surely without changing a single brush stroke wow good for her I wonder if Hilma will come back and be reincarnated and her reincarnated soul is the only one that can decipher it wow that would be interesting actually I have a picture here of one of her journals and I just want to show you because she I mean plenty of them had a lot of writing but she also was just trying to decode a bit of what everything meant here too well we'll show a better version of this

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on YouTube but okay um here's the oh oh whoa it kind of looks like a bullet Journal are beautiful right like she just everything is great that she does we're very big fans so like I said after she painted all of those paintings for the temple she spent a lot of time trying to decipher what those meant and that is because the voices left her after she finished painting the Masters no longer came through she was no longer channeling or I think she was channeling in a certain way but she wasn't getting the Clear Directions that she was before instead she was just feeling like she received direction through her body through her like spiritual form well because the Masters needed her to help to do this specific task and once she did it it's kind of like Joe said reached a point where he had completed

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his life's purpose which doesn't mean your life is over but you're pivoting you're doing you've succeeded and now you get to enjoy life in a different way in a different way wow and or have a new person I mean she kind of obsessed about what these paintings were and she has thousands of pages of notes about what she thinks it could mean she described these secret energies energies of atoms and plants and she was trying to understand the structures the spherical symbols all of she was trying to pull in basically her love of Botany and Mathematics and and understand what she just painted her color choices meant something so yellow represented a male Spirit blue represented a female the Reds and pinks represented physical and spiritual love and so on despite her Talent her focus and her mediumship Hilma did make one mistake around this

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time what and it was that in 1908 Hilma off Clint met with a very influential Austrian philosopher named Rudolf Steiner and this was one of many meetings that she had with him over the years so he had a bunch of theologies regarding true knowledge and Enlightenment and the spiritual world and things that helmet was super interested in and so these things his teachings his beliefs really inspired her so she was setting up different meetings with him and and talking about these things and at one of the meetings she showed him the paintings for the temple oh no and she hadn't finished all the paintings at this time so we're actually a few years before where I was just describing us to be yeah she was maybe halfway through them okay and he rejected the paintings he was like no this is black magic this is the occult I frown upon this and this destroyed helmet she was so distraught

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she was so upset she didn't paint for four years poor Hilma I know and do you want to know what happened in these four years this guy stole her work it is thought it is thought we don't know for certain and so I don't want to to how many bad blood with some Spirits or the ancestors of certain people but there's a suspicion there's a rumor basically that that's exactly what happened so status had photographs and hand colored Renditions of hilma's artwork that she had given him and not long after he had these in his possession he also met with Kandinsky who is the man who in our history books for a long long time was the creator of this art movement so did did uh Steiner show Kandinsky this

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abstract art that was created by Hilma we don't necessarily know for sure was it a coincidence was it just this man blatantly stealing a woman's ideas we don't know but this was a very large hurdle for Hilma and she was distraught for those four years and and whatnot but she eventually did pick up a paintbrush again and she finished her series The 193 paintings it took nine years but remember four of those she wasn't painting so actually she created 193 pieces for the temple in five years that's that blows my mind -boggling right yeah Hilma continued to paint throughout her lifetime even after the Masters the high Masters went quiet but she decided to keep her spiritual artwork hidden with the exception of a few very specific spiritualist circles she would create other pieces figurative art that were not painted under the direction of high Masters so I guess maybe non-spiritual abstract art and

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also just some like figurative paintings like portraits and Landscapes and stuff like that which she would sell to make a little bit of money but what had been painted through Clairvoyance was protected near her death she packaged up all of her paintings and she told her nephew that he needed to keep her art protected and a secret from everyone for at least 20 years after she died it's like a time capsule it is no one can know because the time wasn't right and the world would have to wait it was not ready and to my knowledge the nephew did just that because her artwork wasn't discovered and her artwork wasn't discovered by her family until the 1960s and she had died in the 40s so that was 20 years after she passed so they initially offered the artwork to the Stockholm moderna musit the Modern Art Museum in Stockholm Sweden as a gift

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but the museum said no because remember they said no she was they were like they're just trying to give me someone your granny's paintings like what no um but that's ironic because they said no to it in the 60s but then in 2013 the same Museum was the first to exhibit Hilma off Clint's artwork which by the way these this artwork many of these canvases are massive the majority yeah they look like it they're like seven and a half by ten and a half feet so think about I wonder if it took so long yeah five years some paintings well I mean even then I I didn't mean it that way yeah it's like crawling across the canvas and painting this giant giant paintings and 193 of them in five years that's like basically a painting we have to be possessed in a certain way yeah to be able to pull that off right

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yeah yeah geez that's incredible it's super incredible a foundation has been set up or it was set up and still exists by a family member the Hilma off Clint Foundation it's in Stockholm Sweden where she had been raised as a kid and it has 1500 of her drawings and paintings kept there a few have been lent out and sold but hurt Temple series hadn't been displayed until just a few years ago not in a temple but in the Guggenheim Museum in New York City a white alabaster colored building which itself is shaped a bit like a large Tower with a spiral internal staircase I'm going to show you pictures oh because it is I was like helmet look at this Kismet you did it you did it Helma okay here's one picture for you oh my gosh

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and then here are her paintings displayed all around the spiral power beautiful you know what it reminds me of there's um there I can't remember the name of it but there is it's a bit of a conspiracy but also I think real there is this puzzle outside of I think it's the FBI building in or CIA building in DC and well it's like an it's an art piece but it's said to be a coded puzzle that if you solve it you basically I don't know it's it's basically queen queen you're admitted you're admitted into the CIA oh I wonder about it I want to see if I could solve it um shoot I want to see what it's called please hold oh it's called kryptos and it's outside of the CIA it's a sculpture by American artist Jim Sanborn and it's I don't know if it's lore or if the artist said this but

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it sits outside of cia's cafeteria in Langley oats Virginia and despite efforts from internet sleuths the NSA and the CIA itself three of four passages hidden on the puzzle have been decrypted but one remains elusive ooh ooh I wonder if it's online anywhere you can see photos of it but it's it yeah I mean it it just reminds me of that with these paintings like and I know Hilma couldn't decipher it either but the Masters are basically creating this for our civilization it's like solving the zodiac uh although I guess yeah I do Wonder since three out of four of those puzzles have been solved I wonder if the fourth is insolvable and it's just a study of the human psyche right yeah yeah I don't know we need the artist to tell us

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and how the heck did the artist create this the right was it was it through this sort of automatic artwork like Helma I don't know in 2010 it says cryptos are to I mean there's so much we could do cryptos artists to reveal rare clue to baffling CIA structure it holds a decades-old CIA mystery oh that is so cool so cool I love that gotta go to Virginia now gotta look at it all right so over 170 of hilma's art pieces were displayed here at the Guggenheim in New York City in an exhibit called paintings for the future which I love that they honored basically what the paintings were intended for to be displayed at least 20 years after her passing and this was just a few years ago and her name is still garnering attention a lot of people don't know her name 10

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years ago very few people knew who she was yeah and now 80 years after her passing hilma's Guggenheim Museum art display was a huge success so despite so many people having no clue who she was this was the best attended show in the history of this Museum broke audience records over 600 000 visitors went to go see her artwork Arthur had never been displayed during her lifetime art that was rewriting the history of modern art art that is Transcendental but the Hilma off Clint Foundation owns 99 of hilma's artwork and the majority of it has never been seen so where is it some of it was displayed it's in Stockholm Sweden in like a warehouse I think so yeah they're keeping it somewhere it's in a structure somewhere okay so they're not displaying the

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majority of it not unveiling the majority of it but honestly I think perhaps that's a good thing perhaps it's not the right time okay because having only been in the spotlight for under a decade people are already trying to profit off of her art nfts of her artwork are now for sale including her Temple series how nephew's granddaughter said quote even if you don't believe in spirits everyone carries spiritual beliefs and aspirations for something higher in Life hilma's paintings speak to us about that that they're being monetized and itemized and sold as nfts it completely goes against the will of helmet off Clint you can't make money out of Hilma yeah it I mean this is okay two things one if we believe there's a spiritual aspect which I do to hilma's artwork then I also believe that these spirits

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will uh pay these people a little visit um and serve some Karma karmic Justice and then two I forget to one second give me a second oh I had a good two oh yeah I hate when that happens okay wait what were we just saying what were we just saying what did you just say I said you can't make money out of Hilma damn it I hate when that happens uh I'm sorry okay I forget to if I remember it I'll let you come back to you yep well to wrap this up late last year a biography was published about helmet off Clint and a biopic was also released so whether you choose to watch the film read about her life or visit her artwork in person I'm sure Helma will appreciate that the high Masters messages are finally being seen

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perhaps one of you will decipher the messages in her bewitching yes perhaps you will become enlightened and just like Hilma off Clint become a Mystic a Visionary yeah a witch join us on this journey to become a witch but ah gosh I would love if someone could decipher all of that for us in this lifetime I'm just so curious there's so much there's so much I'm sure given how much she annotated and took a ton of notes and that she had four best friends also doing that sort of thing I think I would assume that there's like sort of an order of when she painted everything but then again what is time like what if the order what if we're looking at paintings trying to decode them in the particular order that she drew them in but it has absolutely nothing to do with order because time as a being linear is a construct and it's also right just jumbled in and we

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basically have to look at 1500 paintings and figure out where they lock into each other okay oh I remember what I was going to say and it kind of relates to this okay so in this case Hilma of course wants the message to be decoded but I have I have a moral um basically a good question I'm not sure where I stand on this I recently saw a book it's Alan rickman's Diaries published now as a book and it brought up this interesting question internally of just how like if someone if I died today and someone found my Diaries in journals and decided to publish them like I would feel that is such an invasion of my privacy sure I'm dead whatever but like it feels similar to the Hilma thing like yeah making money off of someone who has just who has died and

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basically taking advantage of their work so it makes me wonder and this is maybe a question I can pose to our listeners of just what your opinion is on publishing Diaries and journals of those who have passed and again I say that knowing that with hilma's work she wants it to be decoded so these journals she was trying to display it she was trying to be the the messenger the carrier of a message but like whoa messenger yes but if if there's no indication of someone being like Oh when I pass away here's my journal if you would like to publish it is it morally okay to publish said private thoughts yeah I would hard lean on the side of now right I think things but that but then

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it's so hard because it's like I mean Alan rickman's a good example because he is someone who we all grew up watching and loved yeah and he's so he feels still so present to right now but then if we found a journal of a little girl who wrote something years ago of course it would be displayed in museums it would be studied it would so it's hard because it's like where's Anne Frank from right Diary of Anne Frank yeah yeah it's like a personal it's so hard because it's like yeah it's it's a personal thing to them but then like once enough time passes it feels more historical and to inform the present rather than right looking at it as someone's personal belongings and something like so like deeply personal to them that we shouldn't be peeking in on

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I don't know I don't know either both ways right I feel like I can talk myself in and out of both arguments I think here's the thing I'm gonna say no until everyone from who was alive at the time of that person being alive is no longer alive so a few Generations down lineage you can because if I read something from my great-great-grandfather who I've never met it would just be just as fascinating to me as everyone else and I wouldn't take offense to it right and at that point he might be reincarnated as my dog so like who knows he probably won't care either yeah I also wonder I mean maybe family members are the ones who are willing to publish it and maybe that's okay I don't know I don't know yeah it depends I think it's Case by case basis right yeah like your journals I think we would never ever publish your journals with

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the one exception of if the money generated from your journals could somehow help every cat in the world then I think you'd be like sure trust me no one wants to read my journals actually no I'll read I'll reword that I don't want anyone to read my journals yeah top secret I don't Journal because I don't like reading back on what I said myself I don't read it back I just myself the ick yeah just right I feel like now I'm gonna start writing my journals in code so that what yeah similar to cryptos yeah no one will be able to decipher it remember I said you said news card though oh I remember is this it made me just as happy as when I sent you a postcard from there was a Harry Potter yeah I worked by a booth and it was like

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send someone a letter from Hogwarts who it's from it's just they're just send it yeah and then you're like who the hell is this from must be Hogwarts uh you're a great Gift Giver um I like giving I like giving you gifts I just felt the like exhaustion hit me so I can't wait for how fun the story reading is gonna go okay it's also a miniature I'm gonna have to zoom into this okay this is from our listener Dusty and it's called how the supernatural inspired my career hello gals Ghouls and Princess Leia my name is Dusty and I wanted to share some of the spooky heartwarming terrifying paranormal experiences I've had that brought me to having a career as a horror tattooer slash artist so cool

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so cool and what a job first let me thank you for creating a safe space for all of us spooky Critters to share stories and have open conversations on spooky topics as a year-round spooky kid your podcast is a godsend so let me set the scene with a little background on me I've always had some sort of connection to everything spooky and Supernatural a sensitive if you will I don't actively talk or contact spirits but I do see them often and have pretty overwhelming empath abilities it mostly started out as just getting feelings and whatnot from time to time but then I had my first Real Paranormal experience when I was six years old on vacation in California with my parents we went there often and one particular time we were there and sitting on a bench waiting for the trolley bus to pick us up and take us somewhere to do something fun my mom allowed me to bring one toy with me to keep me busy while waiting and I chose this little toy

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motorcycle with a Rider action figure guy on top his arms could move but the rest of him was stuck in a sitting down position as that's the position for riding a motorcycle so I sat him beside me on the bench and we were sitting there and I remember pointing across the street at something to show my parents and I saw slight movement out of the corner of my eye I looked down at my little dude and his right arm went down at the same time minded I thought it was weird but I didn't think much of it because it was an old toy and maybe maybe the tension that kept his arms up was just wearing away but then again I lifted my arm up and for some reason so did his now I was beginning to get weirded out so as my parents chatted about the plans of the day I lifted both arms this time looking at the toy and both of his arms went up as well it's so creepy I know but I also like

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something so exciting as a kid but I think any kid who actually sees it would be terrified it's very Toy Story yes it is terrifying but it is but it does make me think like oh this toy is just excited and copying it's almost like a little brother right or a little sibling who just copies everything you do you're not convinced you're just like no I've had too many nightmares about my American Girl doll killing me in the woods yeah fair to enjoy this um Dusty says I was thoroughly creeped out and I put him back on the motorcycle and put him in my pocket ain't no time for my toys to come to life so with that introduction out of the way I will get into the first time I saw a spirit I was about eight or nine and was at my grandmother's house for the day because my parents were working so I would stay there until they got off pretty much every day my grandmother was

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my absolute best friend and I love spending time with her she was a pretty typical big mama or stay-at-home grandmother I remember her always wearing a purple or blue moo moo this is the second time we've heard of a moo moo and I've never heard of it until a couple of our listeners shared it oh a moo moo is it like a robe robe yeah I didn't I just have never heard that term um and we would always sit and talk and she would let me drink coffee with her and my parents didn't know about it so it was our little secret we'd sit on her porch that was in a wonderful Country Town in Virginia she had a large tree that overhung the porch and during certain times of the year tons of those little brown and black wooly caterpillars would be on the porch that came off of the tree and she hated them she told me that every time I saw them I should kill them this was the last thing she ever said to me because right there beside me after saying this to me she had a heart attack

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and passed away obviously this was devastating for me as she was my best friend in the whole wide world and also for it to happen right in front of Dusty oh that's so hard days went past and it came time for her service we had it in the town that we lived in and I attempted to go but once inside I panicked and ran out to a nearby playground because I couldn't handle it maybe six months or so went by and my parents had gotten to the point where they were comfortable enough to let me stay home by myself so one of those days I was sitting in the living room watching TV and there's a clear view of the kitchen and back door from where I was sitting out of the corner of my eye I saw what looked like a light shimmering the way it looks when you shine a light through a prism I just figured it was the sun catching one of my mom's wind chimes outside but then the light moved directly to the center of the hallway that led to the kitchen it was the brightest light I've ever seen it wasn't in the shape of a figure or anything just an undulating Vivid bright

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light a purplish blue light I wasn't a brave kid and was generally scared of everything but this time I wasn't scared a wave of warm calmness swept over me and I felt Comfort I knew it was my best friend letting me know that she was okay and that I'd be okay after a second of hovering there she disappeared and since then I feel the veil has thinned for me and I became a sensitive I have a lifetime's worth of spooky stories and happenings I'm the resident spooky Storyteller with my friends and also known to them as a male witch I've never liked the word warlock so male witch it is as a child I was definitely scared of everything but over the years having encountered so much I came to love everything dark and spooky us too Dusty so so much so that it's the main subject of my art now but since this email is already a mile long I will wrap up with a story of the time a demon Sent Me to

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the ER oh God Dusty it went from a scary story to like a a heartwarming but also still sad story and now we're gonna end on a demon back to scary okay I was in my mid-20s I'm now in my 30s and I was staying with my parents over the holidays it was two days after Christmas of that year I was asleep in my room and it was around 2 30 a.m ish I wasn't dreaming previously but I woke up to what I thought was a person attacking me beating on my torso as soon as I opened my eyes I saw a black solid shadow person for a split second on top of me beating on my chest but almost as soon as my eyes opened it disappeared I then got the most intense pain in my chest that I have ever felt I quickly got up and thought maybe if I walked outside into the cold winter air it would make me snap out of whatever I was feeling

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but it didn't work so I came back inside and then my memory goes dark my mom said she heard the commotion and came downstairs to see what was going on she says that she found me on the living room floor apparently somewhat passed out she said she got me up and I was clenching my chest and then she told me she was either rushing me to the hospital or calling an ambulance I apparently told her she could take me because in quotes my mama didn't raise no LOL was maybe a 25 minute drive and during the drive the pain intensified greatly once there they treated me as they would a heart attack victim and rushed me back and immediately began testing taking blood hooking me up to different machines but apparently everything came back normal and clean and they could not tell why I was still exhibiting heart attack like symptoms that's even scarier too because you want you want an answer right like you you're at the place where people are supposed to know the answers

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and to save you right but with everything coming back normal they got us into a room to monitor me the pain kept getting worse to the point where I eventually passed out when I woke up hours and hours later my active memory finally came back this is also when the on-call doctor first came in I remember him telling me that he could clearly tell I had been in great pain but truly had no diagnoses for me since all of my tests and blood came back a hundred percent normal so he sent us home I fell asleep as soon as we got home and slept for what I what I am told was about 13 hours whoa but but when I arose from that hibernation I felt nothing no pain no lingering effect nothing I felt strangely good and stronger I sat on all of this and didn't tell anyone exactly what had happened to me I just told friends that I had a weird chest infection because it's not often you can tell people that you were attacked by a demon and and not have

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them look at you like you're insane so sometimes making me think that Dusty's astral being was his soul was attacked so viciously by this shadow figure that he then had to basically be like repaired in the actual plane hence why he slept for 13 hours right he went to the Asheville Hospital yeah I mean that's the only thing that can cure him from this I guess yeah okay so sometime after the ER trip I started working as an apprentice apprentice in my career as a horror tattoo artist and illustrator I'll attach some work for you guys to check out and I was making my weekly run to the big art store to get drawing supplies I was looking at stuff on an end cap at the back of the store with a straight on view to the front entrance of the store and I just happened to be looking at the entrance when I noticed this man make a beeline straight towards me

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he approached me with a smile and handed me a business card with the name of a church on it and said you need to come and walked away I thought it was weird but I was like maybe he just sees this young kid covered in tattoos and thought this dude needs some Jesus LOL so I put the card in my pocket and kept shopping but a few days later I was headed home pretty late like 2 or 3 A.M and stopped at the ATM to grab cash for the following day there was no one around it was so late but just before I finished my transaction I noticed an older man walking towards me wearing an all-black suit with a wide brim black hat walking with a cane I thought this is super weird for him to be walking during this hour and he approached me with a smile and handed me a card for church and said take a guess you need to come the same words as the man the other day puzzled I looked down at the card and when I looked up the man was just gone

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I stood there in a state of confusion wondering what the hell was going on how could in the span of just a few days I get approached by two different men trying to get me to attend their churches I don't live in a particularly religious area or anything and what stranger is while trying to show Friends the cards the next day they both had just disappeared just gone so I did some research and that freaks me out so I did some research and talked to some sensitives of a higher caliber than myself and learned that because I was going through a rough patch in in life my soul apparently was in the balance and both sides were volleying for it and we all know that's when demons like to come for you when you're at your weakest I don't know which side each of the old men represented but it was clear to me that there was indeed a battle for who would get me learning this it fully explained by being attacked and gave me some peace on the situation

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I feel like I've grown from it spiritually and it just reaffirmed my love and curiosity of everything dark and spooky thanks for all you guys do for the spooky Community we truly appreciate it see you ladies on the other side Dusty Dusty on flabbergasted this is what in the world right okay so the people who were asking him to join their Church basically my assumption was that those were the Demonic beings trying to lure oh you think both of them were demonic I kind of did I don't know it was just making me think like kind of like in Disguise like a trickster that's why I was thinking that because I feel like you don't need to be many people don't need to be lured to the light you you want to go right time to go that way and so you need more influences to pull you into the dark right

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I don't know I mean it seems like the dark pulling him in was the entity banging on his chest and then like you even said that maybe he was healed in the astral plane like there was some good at work yeah or maybe to go back to the my favorite show from the 90s Touched by an Angel I've never seen it so much of that when I was four um it was I don't know why I watched so much of it I think it was like one of the shows my mom was like okay we could watch this together I guess late night when I was up but it just makes me think like what if this what if on the flip side these beings that came and asked Dusty like come with us here's my card think about this maybe there was no intention at all for them to do anything it was just for them to check up on honestly interesting you know

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just a nice idea knock knock buddy a little temperature check or read are you Computing is everything okay yeah do I see a dark creature attached to your the back of your shoulders or are you good yeah it what scares me the most is that an entity can have this much of a negative impact or physical impact on a human body like I feel like so often it's just like oh you see the spirit you get a bad energy bad Vibe but it's really rare when they physically interact with you and cause damage and harm in this way yeah I know these are the stories that are that stick with me right it's it's the spirits that do inflect actual physical pain in this world or appear it appears it manifests physically whatever is done to you I mean the fact that the E like there

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were so many witnesses didn't know it had no answers As You Are tis a mystery but history it's I am glad that Dusty is now bringing his uh spooky horror art into the world do you see my video pulse oh yeah it just stopped as soon as I said it no I haven't seen it doing that pulsing your your camera does that for some reason so weird I need it did you see my soul leave my body because the exhaustion has crept in and I all energy has like oh okay well it's time to say toodaloo to everyone one night at night it's like you're on the desk people can see that it's light out in my video 5 p.m here uh but somebody needs a nap

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yeah everyone should start napping we let's bring back siestas let's yeah let's just introduce them they don't exist here yeah why let's do it starting now so you can go sleep alrighty thank you for joining us please send us your ghost stories your encounters with anything strange and unusual let me know if you have Tan Lines permanently on your boobs and on your butt um email us at two girls one ghostpodcast gmail.com uh we are obsessed with you and slash Enchanted and um captivated those are the words that I will use as synonyms so thank you for being a part of our coven you can also check out the show notes wherever you're listening to get links to our socials and figure out other ways to support our show uh and also thank you to the team at uproar digital for editing our video and thank you audio yes

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every week yes I appreciate you and we will we will see you on the other side