The Haunted Execution Rock Lighthouse | Ghosts, History & Human Bones (Ep 220)

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Very spooky. Hey. Hey. We're both wearing green. We're both wearing green and I'm wearing a shirt that we were gifted by one of our listeners who owns Tired Girl Apparel. It says, "My tummy hurts, but I'm being really brave about it." Mine, I have one that says "Tummy Club." But it's in the wash right now because I wasn't allowed to wear it until I washed it because I may have worn it somewhere I thought I shouldn't. Stanky. Yeah. Well, not stanky. Thanks.

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Thanks. Stanky with spirits. Mhm. Oh. With evil. Spirit stank. Actually, I was Wait. Uh this is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two girls, one ghost. And we are your ghostesses. to someone Oh. That's Corinne. I'm Sabrina and we're trying out a new recording situation and we just realized that for probably all 6 years of our recording history we have been delayed by like 3 seconds. So when Corinne says something, it takes me 3 seconds to hear it and vice versa. Yeah, we have no idea if it's just always been fixed in post so we haven't really recognized it that much. Or I think I was being really critical of myself being like, "Wow, it takes me a long time to process and speak." But now on this new software, it's become a bit more evident to us that we're responding and reacting to each other like a full 2 3 seconds after the other one has spoken. I also feel

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like that's why it seems like we're cutting each other off when it's actually not. It's just technology. So this is why This is a reason why we cannot rely on chat GPT because the internet doesn't know everything and it doesn't work as wonderfully as humans do. I'm staying at my mom's house

Pillow and clutter talk

right now and it's not haunted but it is I mean it's haunted by objects because there are just so many of them. Ooh, she's a chachki girl. She's a pillow gal. She I I'm not kidding. I So I'm staying in I never lived here. Um my sister and brother did so they have bedrooms. I do not. So I'm staying in my sister's room. Guess how many pillows were on this bed. I'm actually going to guess. I'm going to say 17. 17? Yes. Okay, describe how they were piled up. How they were displayed. They were like four rows.

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So this is a king bed. So was there a stack of like two behind or something and then it started to So there were three behind. and then Three behind. Three behind. Okay. And then it went like four six Like it just I don't even know how it I don't understand. I was taking pillows off the bed for like I was like I just I'm tired. I want to get into this bed. I don't even know where to put these pillows. They only fit on the bed. She needs a chest at the end of the bed to just put all the pillows into. Or she needs to get rid of the pillows. Yeah, have you asked her why she has so many pillows? Is it that she just keeps collecting pillows or were they intentionally purchased for that sort of display? Well, when I told her how many were on the bed, she was like, "No, there aren't." And I was like, "Yes, there are. I counted." She was "I don't believe you." I was like, "Come on up here. Let's count them together."

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Aw, I love her. The way I'm thinking of it is that she just collected pillows and then didn't donate or get rid of any and just kept piling on, but sounds like she just fully has a pillow problem. I She I think she does have a pillow problem. 100%. She has a pillow problem. Doesn't realize it. She has like an old furniture problem. Here's the thing. I I love her dearly, but sometimes I'm like I think if I just threw away everything, she wouldn't even notice because there are boxes from things like probably from the early 2000s. When I was cleaning out her fridge, there were thing There was one time where we we were cleaning out her fridge and we found ketchup from like 2003. You know, she might Here's the thing. She might notice. And I only say this because remember I lived with someone a few years ago that just had a lot of stuff. Mhm. And underneath our sink, she had

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probably 30 to 35 Lululemon bags. Like when you leave the store, they give you the little bag. She had like 30 some of them. And we just desperately needed space. And so this is totally on me. I didn't ask permission. I was kind of like fed up with feeling a little bit claustrophobic. And so I went and I threw out maybe 10 of them. And she noticed within 2 days. So. Wow. Sometimes people count their pillows. And it makes them feel good about having that many pillows. Yeah. My mom does not. But I will Okay, this

Sisterly bonding and travel

is the best part about being at my mom's is she has foster kittens right now. So there are three little kitties running around in the room next to me and I have It's it's so funny because I'm here and I we're you know, we we are doing the tours. We have some shows. I have a lot of work to do. But my mom thinks I'm on vacation and so she's like, "Let's go to Macy's. Let's

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go golfing. Let's go out for dinner." And I was like, "Mom, I have work to do. Like let's have lunch together and we can make dinner together." did see the musical Six. How was it? So good. So good and it's so fun because I know everything about Henry VIII and all the wives that it was fun to be like, "Oh, I know this." After the show, we were talking about it and I was just talking about I think I was talking about Jane Seymour and a bunch of facts about her and my sister's like, "Why do you know all of this?" Because I'm brilliant. Because we're a history podcast that has ghosts sprinkled in. That's essentially what it's turned into. Yeah. Yeah. It has. I miss you, Corinne. I miss you, too. You know what? I was actually thinking about when we recorded an episode which honestly might come out after this one. I can't remember the order of operations in which cuz we were kind of like scrambling and trying to record as many things as we could uh ahead of time

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knowing that there were the shows. But I was smiling to myself yesterday thinking about how you and I had a moment where it was probably the closest I'll ever get to experiencing what it's like to have a sister. And then it made me smile. What was it again? back and forth. What was it? We were talking about Gosh, what was it? It was something about Mhm. I think I was talking about the ancestral healing class maybe that I was Oh, yes. You were like, "I don't know what" It was something like that. And you were like, "I don't know why I get mad at you that you do this thing without me." And I was like, "Well, I don't get mad at you that you go see Joe." And you're like, "You can't come see Joe. He's in LA." And I was like, "Well, you can't come see my class." Even though you could, it's virtual. You're right. And then you got like a ping on your shoulder and you were like, "Ow." And I was like, "See what happens when you're mean to me." And you're like, "You were mean to me in

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first." You're right. Oh, gosh. me smile though. It made my heart warm up. Yeah, even just hearing it back, I'm

Motion sickness and mishaps

like, "Aw." Because we spent every second together for a full 7 days and as I was leaving you I was like, "This is going to be weird." And in a true act of sisterhood I stole your leggings and then said I didn't have them. I I actually didn't know that I had them. I found them. I'm going to return them. Yes. It's interesting. My black Lululemons are suddenly missing and I'm like, "I don't have any idea where they are." But I didn't I found them. I'm going to return them. You didn't do it on purpose. I believe that. no, no. No. And it was very evident that they were yours cuz when I put picked them up, it was half the size of me. I was like, "This would be like an arm legging." Oh my gosh. I was like,

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"Oh, these are Sabrina's. That is weird." Can we also talk about how I got This has never happened to me. I think this is how I know I'm aging. I was taking the train from Boston to New York and I was going to be working on something for the podcast cuz I was like, "4 hours, great. I'll get so much done. Like I'll check this off my list." 20 minutes in, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to throw up." So I shut out like I shut all my computer, all my work and I was just deep breathing. I was so motion sick. And so I was just deep breathing. I think I did this for a full hour and I was finally like I just I just need to throw up. I walked into the bathroom and just immediately. Ugh, that stinks. That sucks that that happened to you. And I also feel slightly at fault because I feel like I should have warned you that the train if have sickness, is bad, but I didn't know you had motion sickness. Cuz I didn't

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know you were fine. Well, I do get car sick in the car, but I've taken so many trains. Like I take the train I even took the train from New York to where my mom is in Pennsylvania and it wasn't that bad. And I was even facing backwards. when I drive? If I'm in the front, I don't. If I'm in the back, I get car sick. Like really badly. sense. And then roller coasters now. I used to be such a roller coaster gal. Like I loved them. I get car sick. we went to Universal, I sat on the curb and you went solo to do all of the rides. I'll still do them, but I might throw up between them. Oh man. This is your This is your same

Curses and quirks

problem with dairy. It's your same problem with so many things. And mine, too. You love it so much. Actually, so Brian and I had to put together I had texted you and some other bridesmaids for your lunch orders. Mhm. And we submitted them

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and then they had like a follow-up like some things weren't available so I had to resubmit them. And I'm reading through everybody's orders and I realized that I just fully ordered something for myself that I can't have. I just wanted a sandwich so badly that I submitted two versions of the menu where I was eating things that I'm fully allergic to. And then I was like, "Wait a second, I can't have this." And Brian was like, "No, you can't have that. What are you going to eat for me?" And I was like, "I don't know." It's so funny because I was thinking the other day about cuz our tour was the cursed ones and I was like, "What are things that we as individuals would be like likely to be cursed by?" And Karen, I think you are cursed by the fact that you cannot eat like anything. You can't have avocado. You can't have so many fruits. No. That the you're cursed. is trying to kill me, but I'm like a little cockroach. I'm resilient. God I sometimes get close to death. But I fly on away. And keep on living.

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But death cannot grasp me. No. I feel like you've been cursed with two things that are like such mundane things but affect you greatly. The first is that one one that we've all heard is that you're kind of invisible sometimes. Like people will skateboard into you. People will try to sit on you. Like people just fully don't see you. Yep. Sometimes. Or they like see you but they don't perceive you. They don't make eye contact but they ignore Yeah. Yes. And aliens ignore me, too. So to walk straight forward. Yeah. Yes. And then speaking of walking, you have an issue with your shoes. You're the only person I know that has to double knot their shoelaces because they always come undone. And it's We have the same shoes. Yeah. But yours won't stay tied. I don't understand it. I I now sent Okay, because that was the first time I've ever learned that no one else double knots. Like you you opened

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my eyes to the fact that I was the only one who does this. And now since then and you had to retie your shoe that also somehow came undone even though it was double knotted. And you were like, "Did you tie your shoe?" And I was like, "No." Oh, it was single knotted. I was concerned for you in that moment. We need to get you Velcro shoes, I think. I do have a pair. But no, I They're friendly. I've been since then I've been um asking people in my life if they double knot their shoes or single knot. And I'm the only one that double knots. Yeah. It's an interest Like there's been moments where I think I've had a specific shoelace that has caused me trouble. And I've had to double knot it in those instances. But it's like maybe one or two shoes in my lifetime. Mine are all of them. is it's not like Yeah, it's every single pair for you.

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And it's pairs that other people have that they don't have an issue with. And I've seen your feet. Your feet are normal regular feet. There's nothing They're not like punching through the tongue of the shoe. Yeah, does anyone else have this problem? I I want to know if I'm alone or not. Yeah. And what small things in your life could actually be a curse?

Ancestral healing and survival

I think Karen, you Okay, I feel like you're going to be mad at me for saying this. Or actually, I have two. I have two. One Okay, this is not the one that you'll get mad at me for. One, I feel like you're most likely to say to joke about being cursed by something and then having it happen to you. Okay, actually I believe that because I was taking my ancestral healing ancestral legacy course earlier today and one of the people in the class is like psychic and and whatever. There's everyone is like that except for me. You are. You are like that.

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She kept saying, "I see a darkness." This was the first time I'd met her. She was like, "I kind of feel like a darkness around you." I was like, "Uh-oh." And she was like, "Yeah, I think you need to get some black obsidian." And I was like, "Funny enough, I just got some black obsidian and I dropped it immediately and it broke." But that's a good thing cuz I have two now. And she was like, "Mhm, it probably means whatever darkness is kind of lingering near you right now likely didn't want you to have the black obsidian." And she was like, "I keep seeing a black obsidian pyramid. So if you see that, you need to get it." So if if anyone has one in their crystal shop damn it to me, I will buy it cuz I clearly need it. What the heck? I wonder what this darkness is. I don't know, but I feel like it's the same sort of I'm not entirely sure. I've always felt though the nervousness of like opening myself up. Cuz you know how every time we get a reading at anytime we go anywhere, people are like, "Open yourself up. Open yourself up. Like tap

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into your power." And I always have this hesitancy because I'm like "What if something is close and I've been guarded enough that I've pushed it out, but it's waiting to come in?" And I feel like she basically told me that. Like you have to protect yourself before you do anything. Yeah, you do. she'd send me some protection tips Oh, that's nice. beyond what I've done so far. Because Well, there's something. There is something. But it's good that you have someone around you now who can guide you through that. And you can learn. Yes, totally. What's the one I'm going to get mad at? I only say this because there was a moment we were in the car and I can't remember what happened, but I was like "Do you have your survivalist kit with you?" And you were like, "No, it's back in the apartment." So I think Oh, this has bothered me so much ever since you said it. Yes, continue. Okay, so I think you would be cursed to end up somewhere without your

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survivalist kit when the apocalypse hits. Okay, I am fully with you on this because when you asked like, "Where is your No, when you asked, "Where's your survival kit in the car?" It is something I've been thinking about how I only have stuff to Basically in my car, I only have enough like a first aid kit a lifestraw and like a hammer and a sleeping bag. Oh, that's it? And some cat litter. You have cat litter? Some Purell wipes. But otherwise and some Neosporin. But otherwise, I'm like really not prepared. There's no food. Your 30th birthday is coming up. So I know you're going to get one of those survival like backpacks for my car? Yeah. Should I just get you a bunker? Just deliver it to your house? Please. No, that would be the best thing in the world. Yeah, I know, but there's going to be someone who knocks on your door and they're like, "I have a delivery for

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Miss V Ann." And you're going to be like, "What is it?" And then all of a sudden you see this like massive truck backing up into your yard and it's a bunker and they're like, "So where do you want it?" And then they're going to have to dig a hole and put it underground for you. No. That's when I say you can just leave it here because I trust no one and I do not want you to know where I put my bunker, Mr. Bunker Installer, man. You're going to dig a hole yourself? Hell yeah. Yes. The point of a bunker is you don't trust anyone, right? Hire Hire I'll hire a bunker digger man company from like across the country so that when they drive it across country to install it, there's no chance of them actually being able to get to you when the apocalypse hits. I want you to hire me a team who is so completely disorganized that there's no chance in hell they remember where it is nor do they have plans or any record keeping to to link it back to me. It was just a random transaction in the air. They did

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it and then they're off. Okay, well, I can I mean this might require a little bit of time travel, but I could hire the team that built the place that I'm going to talk about today because apparently they were extremely disorganized, but the result was beautiful. Are you

Execution Rocks introduction

covering a bunker? No. Kind of close, too, though. I'm covering a lighthouse. Ooh, spooky lighthouses. Okay, everyone, you can thank Karen for this because I um I had something else picked out for this week's episode and you, Karen, drove me up and down the coast of New England and we stopped at a lighthouse in Maine. I don't remember the name of it. Nubble Lighthouse. Okay. It's in Ogunquit. It's beautiful. In in that area. Mhm. Yeah, it was beautiful. And then I immediately, you know, I see this beautiful structure and then I immediately go, "I wonder how many people have gone mad there?" And then

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second, I wonder I wonder how many ships have crashed or did crash in order for them to be like, "Oh, we need to put a lighthouse here." So, then I was like, "Oh, we haven't done lighthouses in a really long time." And I had one way later. So, before I tell you about this lighthouse, Karen, I have a question. Mhm. If you were on your deathbed, is there like something that you would want to say? Like just you don't have to tell me what, but would you perhaps like say you're sorry for things or if you had regrets, would you apologize for them? Um well, I I feel like I do a pretty good job of apologizing for stuff as it happens. So, I think more likely than not on my deathbed, I might be like, "Bring me all the food I've never been able to eat." Give me all the avocado. All the gluten. Mac and cheese stat. I think it'd be kind of like a last meal

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that fills me. Okay. Well, this story involves um someone who did something a little bit different. It's a story of death, execution, tragedy, isolation, and serial killers with two final regrets. One, Whoa. sorry for hurting some animals in the past. And two, Ah, no. they're sorry for not being able to murder the entire human race. Animal lover, but human hater. Mhm. Mhm. I'm I that's kind of relatable. It is, but you and I and many people who dislike humanity don't go around murdering. We just seclude ourselves and we never We'd never hurt animals to begin with. Except for that one time that I killed the spider and I cried about it. Okay, I would kill spiders any day. I'm sorry, but I just can't. I'm so terrified of them. I don't know.

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I know. It's horrible. But anyway, I'm going to let you sit with those two regrets and two final sentiments from a serial killer and tell you the story of Execution Rocks Lighthouse.

Lighthouse history and legends

Ooh. Already in the name. Already here with the spooky name. Yes. Very spooky name. This lighthouse is located in the middle of the Long Island Sound between New Rochelle and Sands Point, New York. It's an eerie little island. Upon it, a historic lighthouse and two small stone buildings. It doesn't seem that far from land, but the journey from land to rock is treacherous. There are sharp, edgy, rocky reefs just beneath the surface threatening passing ships from below the ocean top. So, this is a really creepy uh fact about the island. I don't know if you can call it an

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island, but it is. I mean like I feel like a lot of the lighthouses are built on little islands off the shore. Um when you go visit Execution Rocks Lighthouse, the island itself is littered with sun-bleached bones belonging to what or who is not entirely clear. It's such a little It's such a little island, too. I'm looking at it cuz I needed to know where it was. It's tiny and it's I think it's only a quarter of a mile away from Sands Point, so land. But it's Yeah, you know what? I was so close to being able to see it. I might have actually seen it. I went to a wedding last year on Glen Island at the Glen Island Harbor Club and it basically looks right out at the lighthouse. So, either I saw it or probably in the night saw it flashing. How spooky. Execution Rocks Lighthouse

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has a very dark uh and sordid past. But before it was built to help ships, the rocks were used to kill. As legend goes, and I'm just going to say this is as a legend because there is no factual evidence, like hard evidence, but this is a legend that goes back like far back and people have been talking about it for a really long time. So, a lot of people believe in it. Um but as the legend goes, the natives the native tribes tied their enemies to Execution Rocks at low tide. So, basically, if you're over there Long Island Sound, you can see in the middle there's all of these rocks. This is before the lighthouse is built. There's all these like jagged rocky reef-like rocks jutting in and out of the ocean or out of the water, the sound. Um and with low tide, you can see them, but with high tide, you cannot. So, the tribes would tie their enemies

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up to or like weigh them down or chain them to the rocks and then when high tide came, the tides would change as they do. Every day, would fall a horrid fate of uh drowning. It was also said that early colonists and settlers, aka invaders, um land stealers, also used that same method. And then later on, the British used it during the American Revolution tying colonists to the rocks and drowning them. All of that is to say, there are many people who were said to die there. And then also, they would leave their bodies, like the skeletal remains there so that anyone new coming in would see and be like, "Be warned." Mhm. It's like Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or just like so many of the war is the classic head on a stick. Mhm.

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Uh And this is before it was really an island. Like yes, there are there were rocks that were jutting out more than others, but when they built the lighthouse, they had to reinforce that area. So, there's a lot of death already before the lighthouse was built. Um It's a pretty terrible way to die, drowning. And like I said, there's not there's no hard evidence of these uh deaths, but many believe it to be true and what is documented is that a lot of vessels, a lot of ships, boats struck the reef that is called Execution Rocks and many sailors on board died. So, after all of these tragedies and countless cries for help, which actually some people say are not just cries from help from people around the area, but cries from spirits on the Execution Rock property or area because

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they're still there. Their spirits are doomed and forced to spend eternity in the chilly Long Island Sound waters. So sad. It is really sad. So sad. I do hope it's just residual and because there was so much death and horrible final moments of life and and scary, frightening moments of of death, that that's just like a a stain rather than spirits actually being stuck there. Right. It's also just I mean, imagine being fearful of water. Even if you weren't, after you're killed that way, there would be trauma surrounding water. And then if your spirit was actively there, if it wasn't just a residual stain, I just imagine it's just this constant state of torture because you're surrounded by water. You are so far from land, your spirit. Yeah, and even if like I don't know. When you're in the water, I don't know how many people are good swimmers, but I'm an okay swimmer and I

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I think swimming a quarter of a mile would be a lot of effort. Yes, especially in ocean water. Yeah. So, okay. Basically, like I said, these rocks are really hard to see. So, over time, a lot of ships traveling this area, traversing this area, would not see the rocks until it was too late and crash into them and be unable to get to land. So, a lot of people would die. And it was so bad that I don't know. The settlers or people who were working upon ships were like, "This needs an like this needs to change. We need help." So, Congress agreed to give I think it was $5,000 to the area to build a lighthouse, but it wasn't Execution Rocks Lighthouse yet. They built a lighthouse at Sands Point in 1809 and it was intended to warn ships of the treacherous Execution

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Rocks area. And like, you know, there was a big celebration. Everyone was super excited about Sands Point Lighthouse and it defended the British in the War of 1812. It It just it had, you know, it it was a great lighthouse except it didn't do what it was meant to do. Mhm. Which is protect ships from Execution Rocks. Yes. It is interesting that they made lighthouses back in the day instead of just like a pole with a light. But then I'm like, "Wait a second. They didn't just have light bulbs that they could screw in way back when." Sometimes it really was like kerosene lamps and different things depending on where you were and how long ago it was, right? Yeah, and I think there's also like the the steam horns and stuff which needed to be manned. And in order for the lights to And it was all like coal, too, right?

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Like didn't you have to Yeah. That's what I mean. There had to be someone actively Like they could make the electricity go on it, you know, to make the light shine without them doing anything manual, but they had to make sure all of the machinery down below was operating to make that happen. Right. There was no flick flick of the switch. No. No, today there is. Today there is. But I wonder how many lighthouses had like an actual live flame. That's a good question. Cuz that's what I was thinking this whole time. Oh. No, these ones light I'm curious. I actually don't know. Shocker, I don't know that fact. You're not the expert leading expert in lighthouses. In lighthouses with gas flames? No. So, sorry to Google it. you down. Okay, let me know what you find. Okay. Okay. So, Sands Point Lighthouse, it did do some things, but it did not actually help in aiding or guiding ships past

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Execution Rocks. So, then in 1837, Congress is like, "Okay, well, we'll give you a little bit of money to have a revolving light, kind of like you were saying, which is just like a pole with a light across from Sands Point. But someone came out to survey the land and was like, "That is not going to work." And so, I think 10 years later, on March 3rd, 1947, Congress gave $25,000 to build a new lighthouse directly on the rocks. Wait, what year what year? 1947. 1947. Well, I'll tell you I'll tell you quick facts. Sorry, 1847. 1847. Okay, well, that makes sense. So, basically, from 1636 until 1816, usually there was some sort of oil lamp or live flame. So, like literally sometimes a fire that

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just continued to be stoked at the top to produce the light and smoke. And then in 1822 to 1850, it started to kind of shift a little bit, new technology. Um and but yeah, the majority of the time it literally had to be whether it was a kerosene or a live fire, there had to be someone there basically full-time throughout the night to continue to stoke the fire or to they had to like it looks like the contraption that I'm seeing was some sort of manual crank for the kerosene lamp, and so they'd have to continue to do it every so often to make sure it would still go. Uh, that's really I feel like there was risk of fire after that, so I can't even imagine the risk of fire during that time. Okay, there's one Sorry, I'm totally hijacking here. No, I this is so fun to hear. But there's one lighthouse contraption that people

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would use that basically took some of the flames away from the structure itself, and it would be a fire basket. So, it was like this big metal basket that was just hung almost like a crane off on the side, and they would just kind of pulley system it down so that the light would be there, and the flame would be visible, but it would be, you know, 20 ft away from the actual structure. I need to watch a how this is made on this. I feel like I can't picture it. I know, I wonder if Stuff You Should Know podcast has ever covered lighthouses, because if so, we should probably listen to that episode. can listen. Okay, so it's 1847, Congress

Construction and survival

allocates money to build um a lighthouse on the rocks, and the architectural design was granted to Alexander Parris, who was a prominent American architect who was born in Massachusetts, Corrine. Um not that you were born there, but, you

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know, you live there. I live there. History. A lot happened in in early settler days out here, so unsurprising. Correct. Execution Rocks Lighthouse was his second-to-last design before he died in 1852. And he had a a really hard time convincing There basically was a lot of arguments between Parris and I don't know what other groups there were, but of where to build Execution Rocks Lighthouse exactly. I think some people were like, "Right beyond the rocks." Some were saying like, "Behind them." And then Parris, who ends up winning, was, "No, we need to build the lighthouse upon the largest exposed rock on the reef." So, that's what they did. And Corrine, this is where your bunker crew comes in, because uh apparently, the guy that they hired to be the contractor for this lied about a lot of his references and actually had

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no idea what he was doing, so it took Hell yeah, fake it till you make it. Yeah. But he did it. He completed it. Well, it Yes, there's a Well, there's some some issues that come with this. Okay. There was a quote that said it was cobbled together. Okay, that makes sense. Yes, but it stands and it still stands. how to build a lighthouse and do a decent job. Like it sounds like he was really guessing the entire Yes, and he didn't really have the connections. Like he didn't know people in the industry, so he was just like, "Who wants to help me?" So, upon completion, the lighthouse was the only structure on the island, and it rose 58 ft above the Long Island Sound. And its base was 26 ft in diameter, but then as it rose, it got narrower as like a lot of lighthouses do. So, when it went up to the top, so it's 26 ft diameter on the bottom, and then at

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the top it's 13 ft in diameter, which is the lantern room. Um the original lamp or light consisted of 15 lamps set in 21-in reflectors with red lamp shades to distinguish it from the Sands Point Lighthouse, which was a white light. It flashed and still to this day flashes every 10 seconds, which is 8,640 times a day. Wow. Yeah. Also, this whole time when you were describing how narrow it gets, I was just picturing how terrifying it would be to be alone in a lighthouse and then to hear like the door or some movement on the stairs, because where do you go? You can't. You have to traverse that spiral staircase or or however tight the staircases are, is zigzagging your way down. It's just you and that person. Yeah.

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Honestly though, if someone actually made their way to a lighthouse island, I commend them. So, if they did that on their own, You're like, "Just Yeah, yeah. you will. Kill me now." I will open a bottle of wine for you to celebrate your successes. So, just a couple more little facts about it. In 1856, the light was changed from red to white. The flashing otherwise has remained the same as the day it went into service. The very first lighthouse keeper was a man by Daniel by the name of Daniel H. Calkins. He and his wife moved to the small island, but the only problem is that there was no lighthouse keeper's dwelling. So, they had to live in the bottom floor of the lighthouse and keep in mind, this structure was cobbled together. So, water was coming in, splashing through the rocks. There were gaps, so like air was coming in, and it was cold. Yes. I would also be scared that the whole thing would just kind of crumble down on me. Yeah, I I bet they were concerned

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with like surviving, eating, and having food more so. But uh the and they also were living, so it's three of them in this 26-ft diameter bottom room, because they had each house or each each lighthouse keeper had two assistants. One who was responsible for bringing supplies back and forth and from mainland, and then one who helped and lived on the island. But uh Calkins lasted, I think, less than a year. And this is something that I found interesting. And it's interesting for two things two for two f- for two reasons. One, so basically, any the contract for lighthouse keepers who were going to work at Execution Rocks Lighthouse, I don't know why, but it feels like a tongue twister. The contract stated that they could leave at any given

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point. Which is weird, because to me it feels like that's an addendum. Like an Is that the word? Where the contract used to say like you have to stay a certain amount of time, but then people were trying really hard to not stay, so they had to change it. Yeah, because normally you would sign on and be like, "Okay, I'll take this job for 6 months." Like there's a term. So, if there's no term associated It's one thing to be like, "Okay, here's the term that you'll serve, 1 year at the lighthouse or 6 months at the lighthouse." And then obviously you're an employee at will, so you could quit if you want. But it sounds like there wasn't even a term associated. It was just kind of like, "Go and see how you feel. See how you feel. Yeah, which I also I appreciate that cuz they also know, you know, maybe that lifestyle is not for everyone or that that one specifically is difficult. Um So, Calkins and his wife left and then April 1st, 1851, a new keeper was appointed and his name

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was William Craft. He lived at the base of the lighthouse with with his family. I think he had kids. But the conditions were so terrible, the foundation was insecure, water was spraying inside constantly, there gaps between stones, um So, basically water was like pouring through those, the wind, which was like howling, would pour through those. And it was just like this whole island, not even just the lighthouse itself, but the whole structure was just tormented by the elements, storms, ice, water, rain, all of these things. And even they would build like these rock barricades and the water would wash them away. Like just take them. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Man, I do wonder too, so if there's an assistant who lived in the lighthouse too and just given how small of a space the lighthouse is, I just I want to see a layout of where they both had their rooms. I went Okay, I do have a picture. Let me

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see if this shows the rooms. No, it doesn't. This shows like different angles of the Yeah, I couldn't find specifically all those things. The there uh cuz right now like all the pictures and even if you Google it right now, you see the lighthouse and the island with all of the other structures that are on the land. So, because in 1867, they built the lighthouse keeper's house or the the lighthouse keeper's quarters. Being a lighthouse keeper at an island, like not one that's just attached to a peninsula, but one that's actually just 360, there's ocean water and you're further away from land. That just seems like such a wild job to me because you're literally being a lighthouse keeper and putting yourself at risk to protect those who are also putting themselves at risk by being in the ocean water. Yeah. Yeah, humans and their curiosity.

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If we all just stayed on land. Yeah. But we are curious creatures who want to know what is beyond our beyond what we can see. We're blasting ourselves into space, so yeah, that's that's true. Very curious. Very. So, they built this this dwelling for the lighthouse keeper and their families and it was a lot more suitable than living in the base of the lighthouse. They ended up having to build like a higher platform of a foundation so that the house was higher up and protected from the elements. The conditions were still pretty terrible. I mean, you can't do anything about weather. It's just it is what it is. Mhm. And they continuously had to reinforce the structure and build walls to protect it from the just like ravaging waters.

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In 1899, the brown stripe was added in the middle like the if you look at pictures and we'll put some in here on the YouTube. On the YouTube. Um On the YouTube. There's a brown stripe kind of around the middle. Which I feel like is a lighthouse feature. Yeah. He did often wear stripes. He wore stripes. It's like Where's Waldo? And then in 1913, a concrete oil house was added. But before that, there was a lighthouse keeper. Cuz there's a lot of things that have happened and this is one of the stories that is is is just a story of survival. I'll say that. There was man, Willis Green, and he served as keeper from 1903 to 1906. He had his whole family with him. So, his wife and his kids. And instead of leaving the task of going back and forth between island and land to the assistant, he would do it

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himself. So, it's now February of 1905. It's cold, dead of winter. The water is even more violent than it's ever been. The temperatures are freezing and Willis Green is still trying to go back and forth between the island to the land to get supplies. But all of a sudden, massive ice blocks start to form. And he still decides to make the venture out. But he gets stuck between two massive blocks of ice. So, what was he going to do? His family is pretty much like out of supplies, very little food, very little warmth, water, etc. things that they needed to survive on this island. He's stuck in the middle between truly literally in two different ways, stuck between island and land, stuck between two blocks of ice. And he's like in a

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small little boat. Yeah. Yeah. So, he is like he doesn't know what to do. He's also at risk. Just he can't him staying there is risky because it's cold. Well, and also ice is so powerful, too. So, you have no idea if the ice would suddenly shift and smoosh his little wooden boat to pieces. Yeah. Right? a jagged piece of ice just coming up and slamming the wrong way. That's so dangerous. Exactly. But even going back would be dangerous, too, right? So, he decides the lesser of two evils and also the best option for his family and for his own safety is to go to land. So, he rows his himself to land. And he is found by villagers and he's like freezing, he's malnourished, all of these things and the villagers take him into town, they help him get his supplies and they beg

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him to stay. They're like, just stay here and wait until the ice melts. It's not safe for you to go back. But his family's over there. So, Green is like, I love you all. This is quotes. Uh I love you all, but I got to go save my fam. TTYL. Uh written in records, record books. And the the monkey emoji with the monkey Oh, yeah. Over the eyes. Yeah. It's like the the running the running emoji with a little boat. Yeah. Um and like the family. Uh So, the villagers, despite not not really supporting his decision, are like, well, there's no changing Green's mind. So, let's cheer him on. So, everyone from the village goes to stand, they escort Green to the like the banks of the shore, watch him get onto his boat and cheer him on the entire way, the entire quarter mile as he rows

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from land back to island. And when he reached island, there was like an uproar of excitement from the villagers. Yes! This makes me feel like when people run the marathon and everybody has the posters and they're screaming and someone else is stationed and handing cups of water. That's like kind of what I picture for his journey out to the island. Yes. My favorite actually was when I ran Portland Marathon, they I think it was like mile 22. I was like, I'm almost done. There was a table with that a brewery had set up and they had little Dixie cups of beer. And I was like, I'm almost done. I'm feeling great. And so, I chugged one of those and then I was like, why did I do that? I am not feeling great. No. Uh the worst thing about that marathon though was I was I always like in the best running shape I'd ever been in and I was running super fast and my goal was

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to do under 4 hours. And I had to pee in the middle of the race. And everyone knows that feeling of like wet clothes or sweaty clothes on your body and then having to get them back up and it just takes a little bit longer and it's just a little bit more uncomfortable. I finished in 4 hours and 2 minutes. No, it's the free now. Can you shave off that time now because your active time running was under 4. I wish that's how uh I wish that was how it worked, but You need to run another one. by. That is what I'm cursed by. My bowels, my bladder. That is what I'm cursed by. Curse my bladder. Oh, man. You were running fast, dang. Yeah. Sad. If I ran a marathon right now, what do you think I would clock in at? Well, I think they like have a max

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I if you ran it by yourself or do you mean running it in a compete like in a race? Either either one is the same. Just because I'm in a race doesn't make me any faster. No, I know, but they have a maxed out at like 6 hours or something like that. Okay, well, I'd be over that. I'd be crawling, scooting, inch worming myself across. It probably takes Let's see. It probably would take what, 8 hours to walk? Yeah, so probably 6 hours for me to run. There you go. No, seriously, I don't think I run that much faster than I walk. But you could finish it. your What was your mile time? Do you Do you know? Your average? Um probably nine something. I don't remember. Oh. Okay, well, if I run like an 11-minute mile and I actually kept that, which I

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wouldn't after 6 miles, I would drop off significantly. Maybe I would make it within the the time. That's really impressive. Let's see. I think I have a photo on my phone. I ran a whole marathon. Three. Yeah, 9:13 was my average. Dang. You were cruising. Cruising. I was like my practice runs, I was like running 8 miles at like 7 minutes per mile and I was like, "I'm so great. I was so I loved it." The runner's high. Okay. Tangent. Back to the lighthouse. So, the lighthouse is facing and the people who are working there living there are facing a lot of natural elements, water, wind, storms, all of those things. But they're also there were fires that they had to face. So, in 1918, there are two big fires that happened at the lighthouse. The first one was in 1918, the keeper at the time had signaled the fog horn around

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like 7:00 a.m. and then kind of stayed on watch until noon when he was like, "Ah, a keeper's got to eat. I'm going to go make a sandwich." So, he goes down to the kitchen and then he notices like the power's being really slow. So, he's like, "Something's probably wrong with the engine." He goes down to the engine room to investigate and opening the door, he is met by roaring flames. Just like massive fire. Which is like good thing he went to go check because otherwise he wouldn't have known. If he was still on watch, Right. And then if it makes its way all the way up the tower, he's trapped and he dies at the top. Yes. And then also, I mean, here's the thing. It's terrifying. There's these roaring flames. It's early 1900s. He has to radio out to land to the police department. The police department contacts like the lighthouse association and then the fire boat is sent off.

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And during this time, the fire's just going. So, the lighthouse keeper is like, "Well, I need to do something because I'm stuck on this island." So, the lighthouse keeper, his assistant, and a couple of soldiers who rode over after seeing the fire, basically put out the fire before the fireboat makes it to the island. That's how long it takes for the news to get to the fireboat to then send them over. Wow. How did they put it out? So, I guess there were a bunch of kerosene barrels over there, so they moved them and I think they were just pouring water on the fire and put it out. The lighthouse was saved, but it did obviously need some repairs. And then another fire, friend, to take the island. An overheated exhaust pipe set the engine room roof on fire and it too was put out quickly. But it's interesting to me how the elements surrounding the lighthouse,

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even the lighthouse itself, continually tries to take lives. Or maybe the ocean's like trying to get rid of the lighthouse in order to take more lives. Like if the ships crash there, maybe that's what it wants. It wants the souls. the ocean. Yeah. In December of 1979, Execution Rocks Lighthouse retired and became automated. So, it didn't really retire, it more just they didn't need any lighthouse keepers. It was automated, so no one needs to live there anymore. But people swear that they've seen and heard many things from screams and cries to seeing physical bodies wandering the shores of the island late at night when no one should be there. And in back in I think it was 2009, they began giving tours of Execution Rocks, but the lighthouse wasn't really safe for visitors because of lead paint and mold. So, then in 2013,

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the organization of historical significant structures raised enough money to repair the lighthouse and make it safe for people to visit. And then I don't know who owned it and I couldn't find all this information cuz it's no longer available, but it was turned into an Airbnb. What? Shut the front door. Yes. I'm looking. I'm looking. I It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist anymore. No. Oh, man. I was going to go. I was ready for us to be been so fun. There are people I I don't know. There are a couple of videos or YouTube videos of people who like did an overnight, but I could I didn't know what date they were from. I imagine it was from a while back cuz I couldn't find it on Airbnb or anywhere. Yeah. But you can visit it. it now? You can visit it by a boat for like a day tour thing. Okay. So, all of that is the history of the lighthouse itself. But there's one part of the story that I have not shared yet.

Carl Panzram's crimes

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The story of Execution Rocks comes full circle because remember, it began as a place to murder, to kill enemies. And then they once again became a human cemetery, a horrid and and a horrid and murderous one. In August of 1920, Carl Panzram began to torment the Eastern Coast. He was a thief, robbing homes and yachts all over. He basically went from Maine down to New York and then I think he was like in Mexico and but he mostly did the New England coast. Including all over the Long Island Sound. One of his targets actually happened to be former president of the US, William Taft, and he had no idea until after the fact. He left the house with like all of these goods and then realized one of the things was engraved with William Taft's name and then so he was making a lot of money off

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of this. But he chose to keep one thing, a pistol that he stole from Taft's home. And with it, he went from thief to cold-blooded killer to serial killer. Yikes. And just to a couple things. I'm not going to go into full detail about Carl. One, this is not a true crime podcast. Uh and then the second thing, this is a trigger warning for sexual assault, torture, murder, rape. Um so, if you would not like to hear any of that, I would recommend fast-forwarding maybe until the last like 20 minutes of this episode so you can hear Karen read her story. So, Carl was said to have killed more than 100 men in the United States alone. He was accused and convicted of many crimes, among them rape, molestation, arson, murder, burglary, and so many more. There is a belief that he committed more than a thousand acts of rape against

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women and men of all ages. He did mostly target men, but he was a monster. He had no regard for any human life. I mean, considering the two regrets he had, one of them was that he was sorry he could not kill the entire human race. So disturbing. He is human. Why don't you start with yourself first, buddy? Yeah. And also, I mean, I'm sure there's so much more to his story, but his very first conviction was he was 8 years old and arrested for being drunk and disorderly at 8. Oh god. Yeah, there was something very wrong with his brain. And his upbringing. Yes. Yes. Carl lured sailors away from bars at local ports and brought them onto his yacht, which I'm pretty sure he stole, and he would get them drunk, rape them, and murder them. And murder them with Taft's stolen pistol pistol and then he would dump their bodies at Execution Rocks Lighthouse.

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He wrote an autobiography, which I'm not going to tell you the name of because no one should read that. And he claimed to have murdered 10 men in this manner, dumping all 10 of their bodies by the lighthouse. This man was not arrested until 1928 and when he was, he was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. But immediately upon arriving to Well, it should have been. Oh, yeah. But he got to the penitentiary and looked the warden dead in the eyes and said, "The first person who annoys me, I'm going to murder." And he did. He murdered the foreman, Robert Warnke, and after that, Carl was sentenced to death. And do you want to know what his last words were? Not really, but you can you can tell us. "Hurry it up, you bastard. I could kill a dozen men while you're screwing around." Wow. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Ugh. I guess the

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executioner was taking too long to put the hood over his head. See, that's when I would just like do it so much more slowly. Do whatever you can to annoy him in his final moments. Yeah. I mean, I I probably wouldn't want to be around that monster for longer than I needed to be. That's true. Especially like he murdered someone within the prison walls. Like he is violent and just a horrible horrible person. So, today, people on the surrounding land of Execution Rocks Lighthouse have, like I said, heard cries and the sounds of men's voices coming from the small island. Some have seen phantom ships in their peripheral vision, and then they look, there's nothing. There's a very eerie feeling when you step onto Execution Rocks. And it's only intensified by the fact that when you land there, when you get onto these shores, and the view is beautiful, you might look down

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and see bones scattered about. The tour guides like to say that the seagulls drop them there, but I have a photo and uh we can put it in here in the YouTube video. Uh one of the photos, it looks like there's some human bones. And I doubt the seagulls are dropping human bones. I kind of believe, and others believe, this bone? Yeah, that's pretty big. There are a bunch of small bones. like a whale? A whale, yeah. Anyway, but some people believe that they belong to either sailors or the victims of Carl um the the victims of the serial killer who were dumped there and then have like with waves been washed ashore while the remaining bones of said humans remain beneath the surface. How many other islands out there just get bones continually washed ashore? That's my

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question. Is this Like if we think about it scientifically, like is this a spot where the current goes into, and so regardless if there were any murders or not, would there still be bones here? Or is this some weird sort of anomaly where this place is haunted and it keeps calling back all of the remnants of its victims? I don't know, that's a good question. When you ask that, I only my brain immediately went to I think it's Poveglia Island, which we talked about a while back. In Italy, and it was a basically a dumping ground for those who had the plague, but since then, like even to this day, bodies wash ashore on the island and also on the mainland of Italy. Yeah. I guess not bodies, bones specifically. Bones. But yeah, that is the story of Execution Rocks Lighthouse. There are

Reflections on the dark past

water taxis that run by Manhasset Bay

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Harbor out of Port Washington on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. That's it. And you can go visit the lighthouse. Well, Sabrina, if we have a show in New York City in the future, we should just drive an hour so north and Mhm. not even probably, and just hop on over. Hop on over. Just a fun fun weekend activity for us. Look, possible human remains. How does this make you feel? Shitty? Oh, me too. Why did we come here? That's the Maybe we shouldn't go. Um I said that. But I do Okay, you know what? Another thing that another reason that I miss you is because the last week felt like a mini haunted road trip that we've talked about for years. Yes. Bumping around all of New England, jumping into like cute little stores. We saw some haunted locations. We did a show. I mean, it was just Yeah.

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It was ideal. And we had some loose plans, which was my favorite part, where it's like, okay, we're generally going to go into this area at this time and explore, but then if something else catches our eye on the way, Let's go. over. All we needed was our Scooby van. to make, and that it's our confession is that we had to pee so bad. We both did pee on the side of the road. Not really the road. When did we do that? Oh, yes, yes. I was like I'm not going to say where, just in case there were cameras. Don't out us. No one knows. There was a location. Again, cursed by the bladder. Mhm. Mhm. Man, all right. But that's the story. Dang. Oh, man, I challenge anyone to tell us about a lighthouse that doesn't have a dark past or haunting. Yeah, that's a good question. any?

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Or the if there are any, it's probably because it hasn't been reported. Mhm, that's true. I mean, the ocean is basically the world's largest cemetery. Thank you for that, Sabrina. That's really lovely. You're welcome. Dark facts in my brain. I have to post that video of you when we were at the farmette, which is the Airbnb we stayed at that we were obsessed with in Connecticut. And what did you even say? I was trying to film the beautiful scenery and you were like mumble something. I go, what? And then you said something so dark. I said film, though. I said, I'm standing here looking at the ashes thinking of all the witches before us who have been burned and are now dead. because you were standing right by the fire pit. And I was like, beautiful, and you were like, people burn. They turn to ash. What is life?

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I also like think I had my hair like dark in my face. I was wearing a black sweatshirt. You know? It's my mood sometimes. kind of wet, too, cuz it was kind of misty out, so we had a dampness about us. Yep, creepy, creepy. Yeah, you're you are our Wednesday Addams. Ugh, that's the best compliment in the world. Thank you.

Listener ghost story

Okay, I have a ghost story to tell you. This is called one little very scary ghost story from Ireland and some recommendations. Hello two girls one ghost, Sabrina and Corinne. Thanks for reading, and I'm a relatively new listener. So far, I really liked the Corinne special, very spooky, and Sabrina's story about the Tower of London. Ooh, thank you. peeked onto your earlier episodes as well and generally just enjoy your pod. Well, thank you and welcome. Yes, hello. I think I remember you talking about wanting to learn more about practicing your spirituality and

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how to protect yourself, and I thought I would make a recommendation. Kyle Gray is a Scottish fellow, a medium and angel whisperer, who has written books about all of the above and more. He also practices his mediumship, he does talks, etc. He's quite young, only 34 or so, and I thought you might dig his vibe. Kyle Gray. Kyle Gray. I'm looking at my G R A Y. All right, on to my ghost story then. This was back in perhaps 2012 or something like that, a long time ago. I was in my 20s and visiting my friend in Ireland, who was at the time directing a short film. My friend lived in Belfast at the time, and we went to a place outside of the city where an old remodeled lighthouse is located at the edge of a cliff. Today, it could be rented out as a holiday residence. Oh. is beautiful with a view overlooking the ocean. Here's our Airbnb that we stayed to say, this is our option. This is what we can do. Yeah. The lighthouse is still in function and at the time managed by Mr. Spark.

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That was his name. That is such a good name for a lighthouse. Yes, keeper, operator. Mr. Spark. He lived further up the road with his wife in a small house. My friend was shooting her black and white silent short film there called The Lighthouse Keepers, well before the one starring William Dafoe and Robert Pattinson. So, we went for a 3-day stay. In the daytime, the house, the lighthouse, was full of people, makeup artists, actors, cameramen, and so forth. In the evening, me, my friend, and her boyfriend, now husband, would stay by ourselves to spend the night before the next day's shooting. The house had plenty of rooms, so I had one room with multiple beds, Victorian style, all to myself. And my friend and her husband stayed in another room next to mine. Already before our last sleepover, weird things started to happen, like the heating switch turning off and then us being unable to put it back on. And trouble with the water supply and hot water in the showers. Also, we felt like we were being watched from above

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when we were in the shower. Okay, Corinne, now I'm second-guessing wanting to go to this. I know. And there were two downstairs rooms across from each other at the end of the stone staircase and a small corridor. They both had the same kind of door in an identical lock mechanism on each door. One door would open fine. The other, beyond any logical explanation, would not. I tried to open it, grapple with the locks, and was a bit puzzled. I thought, this is impossible. I know I can open it. And in one final attempt, I did. Not long after my friend came rushing over to me exclaiming, "The downstairs door is open." And I said, "Yes, I opened it." And she said, "I grappled with that door for the longest time, and I could not open it, and I really tried." In the lighthouse, there were also two separate, very gorgeous bathrooms with tubs and one long mirror at the end of the room. I could have sworn I saw something in the reflection of the mirror trying to lure me in.

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Into the mirror? That's so creepy. I need details about when this happened. Like, were you in the tub? Were you just walking through? Was it daytime? Was it nighttime? I hope not in the tub. That would be horrifying. Oh, can you imagine? Just like seeing someone standing there looking back at you? I do feel like you were trying to lure me in into this lighthouse by telling me, "This is our Airbnb we can go to. I'm trying to lure you just generally into New England and this is not in New England, but this is this is New England is halfway here. So, if I get you to the lighthouse, maybe you'll land in New England. Just keep luring you for closer and closer. Leave California. Pulling me in. I'm fishing. Hey, it worked. I got you for two weeks this year, so I'd say I'm doing pretty well. Patting myself on the shoulder. On our last sleepover, the three of us, me, my friend, and her husband, gathered in the kitchen. It was dark and we for

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some reason sat around this small single lit lamp. My friend had just come down from upstairs where she had taken a bath in the tub. She seemed a bit frazzled, but I only learned why later. At the time, as we sat there, I felt my spirit self go up in the air as if I was just watching us from above. And I had this distinct feeling that we were being surrounded. We all seemed a bit nervous, but none of us spoke about it at the time as we were not willing to admit it. We all went to bed and I did not want to put out my light. I can't remember how long it took or what went before, but I was lying in bed with the light on and I felt this enormous fear, this movie-style tossing my head from one side to the other thinking, "No, no, no." And then I would doze off and fall asleep. Oh. Only to wake up later with my heart in my throat, my heart pounding away like mad. Then I would doze off again. And then I'd be awakened in the same manner a

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little later feeling terrified. I hate this. time I woke up, I literally felt something swoosh by my face. And after that, I don't remember anything. No. But I must have fallen asleep at some point. I told the story at set the next day and the cast and crew looked at me in concern saying that what I had described were typical signs of a haunting, waking up in fear with your heart in in your throat. What I didn't know at the time was that my friend had gotten up that night or very early in the morning and had heard sounds coming from my room as if there was a bird trapped in there. Odd. I do not remember anything about that kind of sound. The next day, we were going to leave. I very firmly said goodbye to whatever was in that room. I did feel a slight mirror haunting after that, but managed to cast it off and have not been disturbed in this manner since. But one last thing. No, no. before our last sleepover, I was out on the lawn in front of the lighthouse

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taking a photograph of the building. Mr. Sparks, who had been doing his checks on the lighthouse, walked right up to me and asked with a smile, "So, are you having a party here tonight?" I looked at him and I said, "No, a few of us are just going to sleep over." He then put his big firm hand on my shoulder and said much more solemnly, "God bless you." Anyways, that's all for me this time, girls. Lovely podcast you have. All the best and warm wishes, Nina. Nina, how many night I how So, did Nina stay three nights total? I mean, it must it must have been. Okay. Two to like four, however long it was. Maybe they were How long were they filming there? A week? Let me see. I don't know. It's a three-day stay. So, I don't know if that's three nights or two two nights and three days. Oh, gosh. I'm curious if Nina, have you

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astral projected or traveled before? And then also what the heck was this fluttering of like a bird being trapped in the room? It clearly was a spirit and the fact that it kept making Nina fall back to sleep after waking up horrified saying, "No, no, no." Yes. Oh, and then feeling the fluttering Oh, yeah. And her friend also being outside of her door hearing like a bird or something. And clearly her friend must have been spooked enough to be like, "Okay, that's what it sounds like is in here." But didn't actually open the door and wake Nina up. Because if I heard a full-on like bat or something in your room, I would probably wake you up. Yes. Right. Although, if I was upstairs animal in here." If you were upstairs and I heard that, I think I'd be too I'd be really scared. I might like call you on your phone. That's true. Or be like, "Corinne?"

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And who knows, they probably had no cell service out there. I'm just such a scaredy-cat. This is why you and I share a room or are close enough where we can call upon one another. Like we did when we were staying at the Airbnb in the water. Oh my gosh, that was so scary. Making the the water line into the fridge was making so spooked. It sounded like someone snoring and I thought it was you and you thought it was me and it was neither of us. I sent you a TikTok and that's when you realized I was awake and you were like, "Corinne?" And I literally I literally responded to your text saying, "This is really creepy. You sent this to me while you were sleeping." And then I finally was like, "I have to just make sure she's awake." Cuz it would be really creepy. I was like, "Oh, she must have just gotten my text." And then I just assumed that the snoring would stop, that maybe I woke you up. And it didn't. But it kept going. And we both just like looked at each other and we were literally

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for a long time. Yeah. I mean, I would guess probably 30 full seconds of just eye contact and no speaking. Just listening. Yeah. And then you turned on your cell phone light and stayed in bed and I went and I investigated. We thought maybe a dog snoring or something. bowl of crystals. I thought I really did think there was a dog behind one of the doors snoring. Yeah. It was not. It was the paranoia. Well, yeah, that's fair. We were in like the woods. Um

Closing remarks

Well, well, Nina, I will not be staying there, but thank you for sharing. And thank you to all of you for listening and joining us. Make sure you rate and review us on iTunes and if you have any paranormal experiences, please email them to us at twogirlsoneghostpodcast@gmail.com. If you have any suggestions on how to clean your mom's home,

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Very spooky.